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Speaker 1: and Kyle new Beeck here.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody?
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Speaker 3: right now. We got Kyle's off in Australia, James Harden's
Speaker 3: in China, the hardest working man in the bitch, Jack
Speaker 3: Fritz stepping in for an emergency.
Speaker 2: Clap your hands, what's up?
Speaker 3: Buddy?
Speaker 1: Tell you what they never ceased to h to amaze me.
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia seventy six Ers. I mean, what a what
Speaker 1: a well run franchise you have there, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, he's gonna take
Speaker 3: a Phillies lap.
Speaker 2: No, gonna no.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, like honestly, all jokes aside, like this sucks, man,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it just it just sucks where we're at
Speaker 1: with this franchise. And because like obviously we want the
Speaker 1: Sixers to win, like we love the Sixers, like I
Speaker 1: watch every game. Whatever. I know, I'm the Phillies guy
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like I care a lot about the Sixers,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like right now, this whole thing
Speaker 1: is just a Runner List ship and and now it's
Speaker 1: just like I've lost confidence in so much of this
Speaker 1: franchise to where it's like I just I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be over, Like like I just like move on
Speaker 1: from the process, start over, and like the thing that
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to Elliott and I felt this
Speaker 1: way for a little bit is they just don't feel
Speaker 1: like the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, Like they just feel
Speaker 1: like the Sixers, you know what I mean. And that's
Speaker 1: a big difference I think with them in the city
Speaker 1: versus some of the other teams.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to get into. Obviously there was
Speaker 2: we'll get into all of it.
Speaker 3: There was a report yesterday, which is the jumping off point,
Speaker 3: would imagine for this hard and comment.
Speaker 2: The Sixers come out yesterday.
Speaker 3: I should say this, I say the Sixers, but technically
Speaker 3: it was a report from ESPN that the Sixers have
Speaker 3: taken Harden off the trade table. I can only Madge,
Speaker 3: don't even call Yeah, you don't even call exactly. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I wake up this morning, all excited for
Speaker 3: joint practice, all excited for my messy game on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: and James Harden to clip in China of him basically
Speaker 3: or not basically, straight up saying Darryl Moury is a liar.
Speaker 3: I will never play for an organization that.
Speaker 2: He's a part of.
Speaker 3: And then he flips it, brings it back, Darryl Moury
Speaker 3: is a liar and I will never be part of
Speaker 3: an organization that he is a part of. So lot
Speaker 3: to unpack there, but I will start with where you started,
Speaker 3: and it's how I feel this morning, to be completely honest.
Speaker 3: So I know you're not on the pod all the time,
Speaker 3: but we do a lot of WP together, and you
Speaker 3: know that all off season I have defended this team. Well,
Speaker 3: everyone's been ripping them. I've been saying, look, they've accomplished
Speaker 3: a lot. They get to the second round all the time.
Speaker 3: That's not something completely gloss over Juell and be just
Speaker 3: one MVP. James Harden's much better and I won't give him
Speaker 3: credit for I really have defended this team. This was
Speaker 3: the first point for me where it felt like a
Speaker 3: breaking point. A breaking point of like grow up, Like
Speaker 3: is this seriously what they're doing again? Like there was
Speaker 3: legitimate things to be excited about last season that could
Speaker 3: be building points. Maxi took a big step hearted indeed,
Speaker 3: and Maxi had their first kind of true postseason run.
Speaker 3: They lost I think a good series to the Celtics,
Speaker 3: and it's just all blown up. In all off season,
Speaker 3: I've had this feeling of, look, I know Harden wants
Speaker 3: to leave, but he's friends with Joel, He's at the
Speaker 3: White Party with Michael Rubin, like all these things. And
Speaker 3: then you see this video and I'm just reminded of
Speaker 3: like maybe everybody else is just correct, Like all this
Speaker 3: defending of the Sixers, we have all these dumb leaks
Speaker 3: from Darryl Mory. First of all, why are you leaking
Speaker 3: you're no longer trading him? Like that's childish, Like what
Speaker 3: are we doing here? It doesn't matter. He's not really
Speaker 3: off the trade block. So all you're doing is poking
Speaker 3: James Harden. That's all you're doing by leaking that. All
Speaker 3: you're basically saying is James, I'm not trading you, and
Speaker 3: you're getting him upset. And then this is the result
Speaker 3: of that James Harden comes out and calls him a liar,
Speaker 3: and it's embarrassment, Like it is a straight up embarrassment
Speaker 3: for the Sixers. And if their whole plan is to
Speaker 3: sign for agent's next offseason, guess what good luck with that,
Speaker 3: because you guys look like the laughing sock of the NBA.
Speaker 3: James Harden is calling your GM, the GM that you're
Speaker 3: paying ten million dollars a year or two to clean
Speaker 3: all this up. To be the guy that's supposed to
Speaker 3: be one of the best in the NBA, to be
Speaker 3: the guy that has a good relationship with James Harden.
Speaker 3: He's being called a liar in front of everybody. What's
Speaker 3: Joelle thinking right now? If you're Joelle Embiid, what are
Speaker 3: you thinking as you're seeing the best player you've ever
Speaker 3: had play with? You call your GM a liar? If
Speaker 3: you're Joel or if you're Tyrese Maxi. The Sixers have
Speaker 3: reportedly said, look, we're gonna take care of you next offseason.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what just happened with James Harden. I don't
Speaker 3: know what Tyree's and James Harden relationship is like, but
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. If they have a good relationship.
Speaker 3: This is terrible because now Max is gonna sit.
Speaker 2: There and go, why should I wait a full year?
Speaker 3: You just said that to James Harden, it seems at
Speaker 3: least and now he's not getting paid.
Speaker 2: You said to James Harden in a basically a joint.
Speaker 3: Statement the day of the first day of free agency
Speaker 3: that we're going to try to change trade James Harden.
Speaker 2: Now you're saying you're not gonna trade him. So what's
Speaker 2: really happening here? Like, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3: All these things are true, and I completely understand every
Speaker 3: Sixers fan that's called me a fool first for defending
Speaker 3: the team, but that aside to what you said, Jack,
Speaker 3: I think is so true. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we all want the Sixers to be good. This is
Speaker 3: not like none of us benefit from anything that's happening
Speaker 3: right now, not the fans, not James Harden, not Daryl Morey.
Speaker 2: And it's embarrassing to wake up to this.
Speaker 1: Well, and it just thinks because like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: seeing two grown men like kind of having this this
Speaker 1: falling out right in front of us, and you know,
Speaker 1: I know everyone's mad at James Harden and It's okay
Speaker 1: to be mad at James Harden, but at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: look at everything that Darryl Moray is kind of done
Speaker 1: to him in the last you know, year, I mean
Speaker 1: year and a half whatever, like when he when he
Speaker 1: signed on Tracked and he left fifteen million dollars on
Speaker 1: the table or whatever, which they were obsessed with putting
Speaker 1: out that he did he left money on the table
Speaker 1: ESPR campaign ever, but that was obviously designed because it
Speaker 1: felt like this was gonna It was like a handshake agreement,
Speaker 1: and I was like a wink wink, like you do
Speaker 1: this now and I'll take care of your next offseason.
Speaker 1: James Harden, for as bad as he as annoying as
Speaker 1: he was in the playoffs, even though he did has
Speaker 1: some great games, but like he was annoying in game six,
Speaker 1: he averaged twenty and ten and got back to an
Speaker 1: all star kind of level of play, and I think
Speaker 1: obviously he's like, Okay, well, now this like Darryl Moury's
Speaker 1: gonna maxx me out, like this is what I do.
Speaker 1: Like it's fine, And then Darryl Moray doesn't. He basically
Speaker 1: cuts off all communication with James Harden. The guy that
Speaker 1: put him on the map, by the way, which like
Speaker 1: if you're James Harden, you're like, hold on, who the
Speaker 1: hell's Daryl Moury, Like I made Daryl Moury, Like I
Speaker 1: turned Daryl Moray into this like ten million dollars a
Speaker 1: year GM. It wasn't the other way around. All he
Speaker 1: did was go get an undervalued asset in the thunder
Speaker 1: and let me cook essentially for ten years. Like that's
Speaker 1: already did. It's all I really did. And then what
Speaker 1: happened this offseason, which is the whole Yeah, everyone's like, well,
Speaker 1: James Harden opted in. He opted in because I want
Speaker 1: to get traded. Yeah, like what do we like? It's
Speaker 1: I just think that we can be at it. Everyone
Speaker 1: like Maury has screwed this up colossally and James Harden
Speaker 1: is a huge baby And the only people that are
Speaker 1: losing right now are are us are the people that
Speaker 1: care and the people that they wanted to see the
Speaker 1: can go play well like they are such a and
Speaker 1: and and it goes all the way up to the
Speaker 1: top two. I mean, I mean John, I mean where
Speaker 1: is he? I mean, now, now everything's kind of crumbling
Speaker 1: here and it doesn't like this guy's doing like thank you,
Speaker 1: Josh Harris things and Washington and the fantasy. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's just they are such I just I just want
Speaker 1: them to go away, Like I just the vibes in
Speaker 1: the city are so good. And the fact that we
Speaker 1: have to spend a lot of time today discussing this
Speaker 1: just they're just the They're just the worst.
Speaker 2: What you said about them going away.
Speaker 3: This is something I have felt all off season at
Speaker 3: every stupid tweet they put out, every time Joel puts
Speaker 3: out a tweet, every time Darryl Mory puts out all the.
Speaker 1: Crumble cookies, every bias Harris.
Speaker 3: Now, I'll tell you this, So recording this at nine
Speaker 3: fifteen in the morning, there is a soccer game at
Speaker 3: three o'clock, So get ready for a Joel tweet something
Speaker 3: like Manchester United's playing. It's gonna put like United or
Speaker 3: whatever like there we will get a Joel tweet today.
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if we.
Speaker 3: Don't, right, But that's that's what like, that's what's been
Speaker 3: freshening for me is I have again defended the team,
Speaker 3: and I believe rightfully, So I still believe everything I've said.
Speaker 3: But like this is where I can't understand why fans like,
Speaker 3: I've never seen the city this mad at the at
Speaker 3: the Sixers, like you talk to fans every single day
Speaker 3: your show two to six, every day ninety four to
Speaker 3: VIP everyone tuned in Fritz at six as well, But
Speaker 3: you talk to fans all day like right wrong, whatever
Speaker 3: fans feel, how they feel, and right now, stuff like
Speaker 3: this is not helping them get back in the good
Speaker 3: graces of the city. Like, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: roster is going to look like night one. I don't
Speaker 3: know what you know, if James's gonna be there, frankly,
Speaker 3: if Joel is gonna be there. But it would not
Speaker 3: surprise me if this team catches some booze at their introduction,
Speaker 3: like of the player introduction the night off, like.
Speaker 1: It just will give us what about standing ovation that
Speaker 1: started Stanford and James. Well, and here's my problem is obviously,
Speaker 1: everything going on right now, I think it's naive to
Speaker 1: think that this is just gonna go away and be fine.
Speaker 3: Well, what I used to think, which is which sucks
Speaker 3: the most. I used to think that James was gonna
Speaker 3: report to camp, He's friends with Joelle, everything will all
Speaker 3: be good. Clearly, not like everyone that made the fat
Speaker 3: suit jokes and all the like, this is what he does, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is step one of that. Like this is straight
Speaker 3: up step one of him causing a massive scene whenever
Speaker 3: they start training up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's the bigger problem to me is
Speaker 1: now where do they go from here? Like I think
Speaker 1: this feels like it's turning towards they get James Harden
Speaker 1: out of here. He entered in Los Angeles. You get
Speaker 1: I don't know, he probably not probably want to get
Speaker 1: Terrence Mann at this point, like you.
Speaker 3: Get care like I like Terrence Man, but like I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna be like, good job, Darryl.
Speaker 2: He did it more season.
Speaker 3: If they get Terrence Man, like yeah, it's not gonna
Speaker 3: be a good trad.
Speaker 1: But you do the trade. The Clippers make it all
Speaker 1: happy and make this whole thing go away. The problem
Speaker 1: for me now is if their whole plan is we
Speaker 1: need to have as much gas base as possible heading
Speaker 1: in the next summer. This these James Harden comments calling
Speaker 1: Darryl Moray a liar. We know NBA play like I
Speaker 1: know we view James Harden as most of the city
Speaker 1: of US James Harden as a clown. He's still a
Speaker 1: top seventy my player of all time that I think
Speaker 1: that's very pretty He's well respected in the league. And
Speaker 1: I don't and these comments about Darryl Mory, like what
Speaker 1: players are gonna want to sign up for that? Like
Speaker 1: they have to do a big turnaround here at least
Speaker 1: pr wise of trying to get or just move on
Speaker 1: from Darryl Morriy, because I don't like this is the NBA,
Speaker 1: more than any of the sport, is about the players.
Speaker 1: It's a player league, like player powerment. They move around whatever,
Speaker 1: when they want to go, they kind of go. If
Speaker 1: that's the case, who's signing up to come play for
Speaker 1: a guy who was just called by one of the
Speaker 1: best players of all time a liar? Like that's just
Speaker 1: that's not a good spot to be in.
Speaker 3: And I'll be interested to see if, like if the
Speaker 3: Sixers respond today, like what their responding. I mean, I
Speaker 3: imagine it's gonna be some version of like we never
Speaker 3: promised this to hard and blah blah blah. But let's
Speaker 3: kind of go through the timeline really quickly to say
Speaker 3: what we believe happened so last offseason, Like do you
Speaker 3: think the Sixers promised him money. Because while we can
Speaker 3: sit here and go you know, James Harden is a
Speaker 3: bit of a loose cannon. He's forced his way out
Speaker 3: of two teams. This is nothing new for him. Like
Speaker 3: he turned down the extension with the Nets, he forced
Speaker 3: his way to the Sixers. It was either the Yeah,
Speaker 3: forced his way to the Sixers from the nets, and
Speaker 3: then he takes less money. Everyone said it, like whether
Speaker 3: I thought it was silly at the time, everyone made
Speaker 3: it clear he took less money. So if you look
Speaker 3: like pretty consistently his actions have been bad of somebody
Speaker 3: that is hearing through back channels, I am going to
Speaker 3: get paid by the Sixers. Why do you force your
Speaker 3: way to the Sixers if you don't think Morey's gonna
Speaker 3: pay you. Why do you force your Why do you
Speaker 3: turn down extension from the nets if you don't think
Speaker 3: you have that money coming from the Sixers. Now the
Speaker 3: weird point with this is, and this is something I'm
Speaker 3: sure that Sixers will point to. Why then in December
Speaker 3: does James Harden start the whole Houston really wants me
Speaker 3: to think. So my question for you would be is,
Speaker 3: like we kind of think through this, do you think
Speaker 3: Darryl promised him money, and if he did, why did
Speaker 3: James Harden start to leak rumors that.
Speaker 2: He was going to go to the Rockets.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the promised money thing is interesting, but
Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, I could see him
Speaker 1: taking advantage of James Harden not having an agent and
Speaker 1: and trying to use his relationship as like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is before he had an agent, right.
Speaker 2: Right now he has an agent. Yeah, at the time.
Speaker 1: Now he has an agent. So I think I don't
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't know if they promised him, but I
Speaker 1: do think that there was a wink wink thing there.
Speaker 1: I thought that the Houston thing, I mean maybe he
Speaker 1: just started getting the scents in the middle of the
Speaker 1: season like we're probably not going to pay you pal,
Speaker 1: and then he tried to, you know, create some kind
Speaker 1: of market out there. And again a bad sign for
Speaker 1: Harden that they signed Fred Van Vliet to one hundred
Speaker 1: and I mean, that's just not a good sign. So
Speaker 1: I think this whole thing has been posturing to try
Speaker 1: to get the Sixers to balk and pay, and I
Speaker 1: just don't think he wanted to do it.
Speaker 2: And like, on one hand, on one hand, I'm.
Speaker 1: Happy that Darryl is at least seeing the lights, you know,
Speaker 1: and being like, Okay, I can't pay this, Like then
Speaker 1: he's gonna sink my franchise. Like for a guy that
Speaker 1: essentially had made his career operating for James Harden a
Speaker 1: couple of times, like to be able to be like, ah,
Speaker 1: probably not the smart thing to do for this franchise.
Speaker 1: I think that's good. The only issue is what it creates,
Speaker 1: image wise for Daryl Moury and what makes the Sixers
Speaker 1: look like how they're going to disrespect one of the
Speaker 1: best players, Like, I just that's a Again, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you have to move on from Maury to rebuild
Speaker 1: your image, because I just I would be very surprised
Speaker 1: if an NBA player is like signing up. But then
Speaker 1: you start thinking about, okay, well, how does it be,
Speaker 1: Like it's just yeah, so many aspects of this thing,
Speaker 1: and it keeps just pointing back to the Moray thing.
Speaker 3: So I'll start by saying, like, I do believe that
Speaker 3: James was promised some type of money. I just and
Speaker 3: so all right, I mean in Eagles reference in here
Speaker 3: real question when the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts right. They
Speaker 3: swore up and down, they said nothing to do with Carson.
Speaker 3: They called Jalen a backup. They said he'll never take
Speaker 3: the job. You're foolish to think he'll ever take the job. Like,
Speaker 3: we'll never know the honest to God truth. Did they
Speaker 3: draft Jalen and then things fell apart and they lucked
Speaker 3: into him, or did they draft him thinking Carson was
Speaker 3: going to fall apart? Some things in sports that are
Speaker 3: really important. We just will never know the honest of
Speaker 3: God truth with this right here, I don't think we'll
Speaker 3: ever know the honest to God truth of what Daryl
Speaker 3: said to James Harden unless he was dumb enough to
Speaker 3: put it in a text message or an email.
Speaker 2: And James Harden now has this over his head.
Speaker 3: Now, if Daryl knew that he had that, you would
Speaker 3: think he would probably act accordingly regardless. My point is this,
Speaker 3: we might never know what was actually said and what
Speaker 3: the true intentions of what was said. But everyone is
Speaker 3: lying for themselves, and they don't think James Harden is
Speaker 3: acting like someone who has promised a ton of money
Speaker 3: and is now having that money take away, like maybe
Speaker 3: Darryl mismanagement where he did it. Let's say he said
Speaker 3: something like, hey, you know, look, I want to sign PJ.
Speaker 3: Tucker and Daniel House. We can't do it. Take a
Speaker 3: little bet, a little bit less.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Next year, the new CBA will be in effect, and
Speaker 3: you know, we'll really be able to take care of
Speaker 3: you then. And that's not a promise, it's not a
Speaker 3: written thing. But let's be honest, like everyone in each
Speaker 3: of their own walks of life, let's pretend your boss
Speaker 3: says to you, hey, man, can't give you a raise
Speaker 3: right now, but I'll tell you what next year, Like
Speaker 3: I got you, Like you know I can't, but I
Speaker 3: got you. And then he did, Like how would you
Speaker 3: react to that? How would you feel if a year
Speaker 3: later you're not getting that money? So did James Hart.
Speaker 3: First of all, he had a better year last year
Speaker 3: than he did the year before, so that is worth
Speaker 3: taking considerable.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'd reestablished himself last year. I felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think heading into the playoffs, I
Speaker 1: think people are like, all right, Like I think that's
Speaker 1: why the reaction so harsh right now, Eliott, is because
Speaker 1: I think people bought in again, and I think that
Speaker 1: James Harden gave us a reasonablief again because he left
Speaker 1: the league assists he was like being a good kind
Speaker 1: of sidekick to Jowell and BEIID I mean like, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what being missed here. Like we we
Speaker 1: we've all been in this situation. Like you all talk
Speaker 1: to bosses that are like, yeah, listen right now, I
Speaker 1: understand whatever. Just just wait it out. That's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a wink. It doesn't if it doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: your life, you're mad too. Yeah, you're one hundred percent
Speaker 1: it now.
Speaker 2: It works.
Speaker 3: The other thing people will say, and what we should
Speaker 3: get into is well, then why do you opt in?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of you know, very popular tweets
Speaker 3: on Twitter right now, everyone getting those likes and retweets.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it. Go get them where.
Speaker 3: It's like James Harden like, uh, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to play for the Sixers. James Harden opted in
Speaker 3: to play for the Sixers. But here's the deal, Like,
Speaker 3: if we want to be honest about this, when he
Speaker 3: opted in, the statement that came out was saying the
Speaker 3: Sixers are going to trade him. Like when he opted in,
Speaker 3: everyone including me, all the fans celebrated. Why because it
Speaker 3: was James Harden is not going to play for the Sixers.
Speaker 3: The overarching feeling was James Harden is gone. Now you
Speaker 3: could say like they did try to trade him.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 3: They by all reports, they've talked to the Clippers. And
Speaker 3: I don't blame Darryl Morey for asking for a ton,
Speaker 3: but ultimately James opted in with the expectation he would
Speaker 3: not play for the Sixers. And so for Daryl to
Speaker 3: release a statement or you know, maybe released, you know,
Speaker 3: talk to ESPN and say that, like, of course I'd
Speaker 3: be pissed if I was James Harden. James Harden was
Speaker 3: told by the team, and it seems pretty clear, and
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Maury has said this on the record,
Speaker 3: that they would work with him to try to find
Speaker 3: a trade. That is not like, again, put yourself in
Speaker 3: a real life situation here. Imagine your boss said to you,
Speaker 3: and it's tough because you don't really trade. But like
Speaker 3: let's say he said to you, Hey, I'm gonna try
Speaker 3: to get you to the Denver office. I'm gonna try
Speaker 3: to get you to to our sister company in Boston.
Speaker 3: And then you're hearing Boston wants you blah, blah blah,
Speaker 3: and then your boss like, actually, I'm not gonna do it,
Speaker 3: Like of course you would be mad. We could all
Speaker 3: sit here and talk about, well he's not giving up
Speaker 3: Terrence Man.
Speaker 2: Or wait for Paul George or all these things.
Speaker 3: Bottom line is this, James Harden doesn't care what they
Speaker 3: get back into trade. James was told he was going
Speaker 3: to be traded, and Darrel's not doing it.
Speaker 2: Is should James bite the bullet and come in? Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe he should do that.
Speaker 1: He's getting paid.
Speaker 3: Thirty five million dollars like all those things. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: I just think everyone looks bad in this situation. I
Speaker 3: can't get behind the This is James Harden being annoying.
Speaker 3: This is blah blah blah, Like it's it's all of them.
Speaker 3: I think Darryl is just as much to blame, if
Speaker 3: not more.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I keep going back to is
Speaker 1: like I don't want James Harden here anyway, but I
Speaker 1: know you do. I know you do, but I don't
Speaker 1: want him here anyway. So like I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: managing it's Harden for a woman to get out good,
Speaker 1: great whatever.
Speaker 2: That was the reaction when the tweet came out.
Speaker 3: Remember I know that was so everyone's doing revisions history
Speaker 3: on this whole, like, oh, like, why do he opt
Speaker 3: in then? Because everyone thought he was gone. No one
Speaker 3: thought he was going to play here.
Speaker 1: And that's why, by the way, I want to break
Speaker 1: this down because I watched the video like ten times.
Speaker 1: I'm so confused. Why did he say it twice? Like
Speaker 1: like I couldn't tell if.
Speaker 3: He was like trying to set up he's a showman,
Speaker 3: Come on, no, I know, but I would think.
Speaker 1: Here's what I tell I couldn't tell they're setting up
Speaker 1: like a produced video and he wanted to get the
Speaker 1: cut right like it was like I do because the video,
Speaker 1: like the videos that all came out today were like
Speaker 1: just on people's phones that they just set off for
Speaker 1: like it looks it looked like he was trying to
Speaker 1: do like a professional, like all right, cut scene out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The funniest part is how Shams has the video with
Speaker 3: the direct quote, like you know that video taken was
Speaker 3: the video from someone on Harden's team, and you know
Speaker 3: that they were like here's exactly what he said. And
Speaker 3: the funniest part is so James Harden's in China First
Speaker 3: of all, China not the biggest fan of Darryl Morey.
Speaker 3: I would imagine this probably went over relatively well there.
Speaker 2: But he's in he's.
Speaker 3: Probably doing some like basketball camp where he's gonna stand
Speaker 3: up there and talk about like, I don't know playing
Speaker 3: basketball and how much you know whatever, and then he
Speaker 3: just comes out. Imagine being like a reporter a kid
Speaker 3: at that camp and he just comes out. He's like, Hey,
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about basketball day. But real quick, Daryl
Speaker 3: Moore is a liar. I'll never play for the organization again.
Speaker 3: All right, who wants a free parents?
Speaker 1: Like, let's go warm up, let's go exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other.
Speaker 3: Part of this, Like his agent has mismanaged it too.
Speaker 3: I just it's three people that are supposed to be
Speaker 3: good at their jobs that are handling it poorly.
Speaker 2: And that's what sucks. Like, that's what sucks.
Speaker 3: So a few more questions before we wrap this up,
Speaker 3: because I know, uh, you got me.
Speaker 2: Look, we have busy days.
Speaker 3: The Eagles are practicing, you gotta you gotta show to produce,
Speaker 3: and the Phillies I guess they suck again now actually
Speaker 3: the lost off that Yeah, all right, well thank god
Speaker 3: that's a well round the sixers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So here's the two questions I think have to be
Speaker 3: asked before we wrap this up. One, what do you
Speaker 3: do now? If you're Darryl Moray, do you just be like,
Speaker 3: you know what, man, I don't want this anymore. I'll
Speaker 3: trade you to LA, you take back Norman Powell, Robert
Speaker 3: Covington and.
Speaker 2: Whatever, and just like end it? Do you end this today?
Speaker 3: Or if you're Darryl Moray do you dig your deal?
Speaker 3: Heelsn't even further and actually expect this guy to come
Speaker 3: camp and then go through the whole thing of like
Speaker 3: he's not practicing, so you know, he's preaching his contract,
Speaker 3: Like what would you do?
Speaker 1: It's so bad? Well because because Ben's not I think
Speaker 1: Ben didn't talk. Ben was just quiet. And just think
Speaker 1: he's always just chilling, you know what I mean? I
Speaker 1: think I don't. I don't think Hardens aren't chilling. The
Speaker 1: first thing I would do is if they can find
Speaker 1: Josh Harris. No, I don't know if they can, but uh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of similar to what happened between AI and
Speaker 1: Larry Brown, because I think that AI lost trust in
Speaker 1: the new organization when he was on the trading block
Speaker 1: and they pack Roach has talked a lot about before
Speaker 1: the two thousand and one season, before AI when I
Speaker 1: won the m v P, and obviously they had to
Speaker 1: run that. They had to sit down conversation with with
Speaker 1: with Larry Brown and Alan and they were able to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of hash out their issues. The question is,
Speaker 1: is this thing so far gone that they can't do
Speaker 1: that they can't have a real conversation, that they can't
Speaker 1: be in the same room together, because these are two
Speaker 1: guys that have been, you know, very close for a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, I mean Darryl Moray has a
Speaker 1: a painting of James Harden and his house. So like,
Speaker 1: wonder what the first thing I would do is I
Speaker 1: would just try to get these guys in a room
Speaker 1: like see, like you got to decide if they're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to work it out before you give them away
Speaker 1: for like the cea package from the from the Clippers,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really want them back, but I think
Speaker 1: if you want to have your best chance to win
Speaker 1: a championship, and you're Josh Harris, you care about you
Speaker 1: don't really care about winning, you care about selling tickets
Speaker 1: in your arena. I think that that's what he should do.
Speaker 1: What I think is gonna happen is that he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a clipper and it's gonna get so untenable here
Speaker 1: that he's they're gonna have to take whatever they can get.
Speaker 1: But after that, again, you have to get a gauge
Speaker 1: on if any star is gonna want to come here
Speaker 1: and see what the temperature is like for Daryl Moury
Speaker 1: around the Lee. And if it comes out that players
Speaker 1: are are avoiding Philadelhia because of James Harden's comments today,
Speaker 1: then you have to move on from Darren Moore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because next summer becomes if you're still pulp, goal here
Speaker 1: is to maximize the jewel and beat window. You can't
Speaker 1: miss next summer. I mean next summer is when it's
Speaker 1: when your max slots finally open up. So I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot that has to be done here. But
Speaker 1: the first thing I would do is get those guys
Speaker 1: in a room and see if they can't, you know,
Speaker 1: hash out their issues.
Speaker 3: So the iverson Larry Brown thing is a really interesting
Speaker 3: comparison because I was say that the documentary just came
Speaker 3: out this summer, and I when at first when that
Speaker 3: whole thing was going down. I was probably like twelve
Speaker 3: or thirteen, so I wasn't like, who, what were you?
Speaker 1: Like? Seven?
Speaker 3: Probably I guess this was yeah, So we weren't analyzing
Speaker 3: this as we do now. Like all the dynamics of it,
Speaker 3: the Iverson Larry Brown thing, if it happened today, would
Speaker 3: end with Alan Iverson on another team for Larry Brown.
Speaker 2: Fire.
Speaker 3: I do not think in today's world they could have
Speaker 3: a meeting door in practice where they yelled and shouted
Speaker 3: and did all these things and then have it work out. Remember,
Speaker 3: Larry stepped away from the team for a few days.
Speaker 3: So when we did a Potter earlier this summer with
Speaker 3: the person that did the did the documentary, she agreed like, yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously would have been gone. So while yes, you were right,
Speaker 3: maybe get them in a room, I just don't know
Speaker 3: if I would believe it or that it would work. Like,
Speaker 3: first of all, Darrel's the one that decides if they
Speaker 3: trade him or not, so that's an huging dynamic for
Speaker 3: the meeting, and frankly, like I just don't trust that
Speaker 3: if like even if James says to Darryl, all right,
Speaker 3: I don't even know how he could say this, but okay,
Speaker 3: you know what, I think you lied to me and
Speaker 3: cost me, you know, tens of millions of dollars. But
Speaker 3: I'll forgive you and we'll keep it moving. The first
Speaker 3: thing that the first time things go bad, he's gonna
Speaker 3: ask out. And then you go into a season with
Speaker 3: someone that you think could ask out at any minute.
Speaker 3: And I don't think this can emphasize enough. The Sixers
Speaker 3: have a new head coach and a chance to build
Speaker 3: like a thing here, right, So do you really want
Speaker 3: the beginning of the Nick Nurse era to be training
Speaker 3: camp where James Harden's off in the weight room pretending
Speaker 3: his ankle hurts and like everyone's just watching him while
Speaker 3: you're trying to run a practice.
Speaker 2: Like that's an incredibly terrible way to start this.
Speaker 3: So well, I have been in the camp of obviously
Speaker 3: like they have a chance to win with James Harden.
Speaker 3: If they have him, I think they are legit title contenders.
Speaker 3: Hold on for another piece. I'm also a terrible negotiator,
Speaker 3: so there's a part of me that's like, just move
Speaker 3: on from this guy, man.
Speaker 2: Just trade in today.
Speaker 3: If they trade him today, I bet fans will be
Speaker 3: like thank God and you maybe you get some of
Speaker 3: the fans back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the thing is that the only way they're
Speaker 1: gonna win is if James Harden is bought in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like he's not gonna come in and like Nick
Speaker 1: Dust is gonna be like running hardcore defensive like you know,
Speaker 1: right practices, and then James RN's out there like getting
Speaker 1: over straight. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's trying to like you know,
Speaker 1: break up a pick and roll or whatever on defense,
Speaker 1: Like he's just it.
Speaker 2: We got to know what I think you have to trade.
Speaker 1: They have to. I mean that's where it's over.
Speaker 2: And it sucks that you're not.
Speaker 3: Look but like honestly, man like Norman pal can shoot,
Speaker 3: Like here I go talk to myself now.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 3: You know you're talking to the right pretty good. I
Speaker 3: love good three and d guy. And then at least
Speaker 3: like you do have the cap space.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. But the last question is, yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you think Joelle, like do you think this increases
Speaker 3: a chance Joelle asks out for the start of the season,
Speaker 3: because ultimately this seaser, like anything could happen, Like do
Speaker 3: you think Joelle?
Speaker 2: And I know Joelle knew that James was mad.
Speaker 3: He knew everything and all this, like there is a
Speaker 3: public facing part of this where Joel wakes up sees
Speaker 3: this quote from China from James Harden is probably like
Speaker 3: what am I doing with my career here? Like I
Speaker 3: am the arguably the best player in the NBA, Yes,
Speaker 3: better than you'll Kitchen, And I'm like waking up to
Speaker 3: seeing my number two guy like take shots at my
Speaker 3: GM when my last GM was taking shots on me
Speaker 3: on Twitter, like you do wonder like whether we can
Speaker 3: rationalize it or not. When the breaking point is for Joelle,
Speaker 3: I actually.
Speaker 1: I just I believe he's fine, Like I think he's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think he's just cool. I think
Speaker 1: he's I I'm not sure the whole championship thing. I
Speaker 1: think if he wins one, he's happy, but I think
Speaker 1: he likes being now. The one thing that could change
Speaker 1: year is the city's turning like really on Joel Embiid,
Speaker 1: which we're kind of getting there and they are, well,
Speaker 1: then I think we'll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are very mad at.
Speaker 1: Him where I think that's when he would ask out.
Speaker 1: But I think as long as he's the star of
Speaker 1: the team, you know, he gets to beat Joel Embiid
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and I think he wants the player as
Speaker 1: long as he can. And I think the only thing
Speaker 1: that that turns this for Joelle is that the city
Speaker 1: really really gets on him. I mean they're they're getting
Speaker 1: on him now and they're but it's almost calmed down
Speaker 1: because now it feels like the ire is more on
Speaker 1: James Harden and Darryl and Josh Harris and whatever, whereas like,
Speaker 1: I think the spotlight's been off Juellan. But I think
Speaker 1: the only way he really asks out is is if
Speaker 1: the city really turns on him. And that's where it's
Speaker 1: me interesting because if James Harden doesn't come back next year,
Speaker 1: and if Norman Powell and Robert Covington and whatever, the
Speaker 1: expectations aren't going to be the championship. So I don't
Speaker 1: think people are gonna be like like crushed if they
Speaker 1: lose in the second round next year. Let's be like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Although I can kind of talk myself into like
Speaker 3: Joel Maxi, Maxie takes the step role players Nick Nurse,
Speaker 3: the East isn't that good?
Speaker 2: Like I'm already getting there, Mary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's the thing is the thing the
Speaker 1: reason why I would do the Clippers traight is because
Speaker 1: you know, the Clippers don't I mean, they're I don't know,
Speaker 1: they're so weird. But if you can just get like
Speaker 1: a collection of guys and then next year get a
Speaker 1: try to get a star in here, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a path there. There's a path because the problem with
Speaker 1: the Sixers last couple years for me is that like
Speaker 1: they just didn't have the depth around those games, Like
Speaker 1: they just have the stars. It's fine, but the NBA
Speaker 1: now it's like you gotta have eight competent players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look at the Celtics and the Nuggets,
Speaker 3: like they had deep rotations. But what you said, I
Speaker 3: think I think is interesting and also maybe a good
Speaker 3: way to kind of bring this full circle. Like you
Speaker 3: started this by saying, it just sucks. It sucks for fans,
Speaker 3: it sucks to see this. It sucks if you want
Speaker 3: the Sixers to be good. And I think that's probably
Speaker 3: how Joel feels.
Speaker 2: Ultimately.
Speaker 3: Do I think Joel wants to leave Philadelphia. No, I
Speaker 3: think Joel wants to stay in Philadelphia. I think he
Speaker 3: feels a genuine commitment to the franchise. I think he
Speaker 3: wants to win here. But I also think that like
Speaker 3: Sixers fans, he's probably close to just being fed up
Speaker 3: with this, Like he's fed up with waking up and
Speaker 3: seeing like all this drama going on that frankly, most
Speaker 3: of the times he has nothing to do with, Like
Speaker 3: the tweets aggravate me, and he said the thing about,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'll win somewhere else or whatever. But
Speaker 3: for the most part, eighty percent of the drama, if
Speaker 3: not ninety percent, since Joelle's been here, has not been
Speaker 3: because of Joel. Like he has handled himself well, He's
Speaker 3: played really well, and so I think Joel probably feels
Speaker 3: like a lot of fans feel right right now, which
Speaker 3: is like a mad but also like I see all
Speaker 3: these people saying, well, I'm not gonna watch Sixers games
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah, Like let's all be honest,
Speaker 3: We're gonna follow the team, We're gonna watch them, Joelle's
Speaker 3: gonna be here, and everyone's just gonna be frustrated and
Speaker 3: it just sucks. Where to your point, like the Eagles
Speaker 3: are starting up, Phillies are turning it around, the Union
Speaker 3: are the best team in the city, and we still
Speaker 3: have to deal with all this Sixers stuff. So the
Speaker 3: one thing we don't have to be upset about is
Speaker 3: shout out to Jack for coming on the POSTA very
Speaker 3: appreciative Kyle is off ripping American Airlines in Australia. Thankfully
Speaker 3: he's made it there. It looks like he's having a
Speaker 3: great time. Happy he made he made it there.
Speaker 1: Very jealous.
Speaker 3: But you are nice enough to come on. So for
Speaker 3: those that for some reason you're living under rock and
Speaker 3: you don't know where to find Jack. Obviously Jack Frits
Speaker 3: on Twitter, but also High Hope's the best pot Philly's
Speaker 3: podcast in the game and obviously on WP all the time.
Speaker 2: So Jack, thank you so.
Speaker 1: Much for coming on.
Speaker 3: Man. Of course I'll text you in a few minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we will talking about this.
Speaker 1: All day when there's big news.
Speaker 2: We're your guys, the basketball guys right here. Me and
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Again, I mentioned at the beginning, like I love the Sixers.
Speaker 1: It's just like this sucks man, Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: they're not they are ruining. It's a good time in
Speaker 1: the city right now. What they do well.
Speaker 3: The good news is the Eagles practice tonight, so this
Speaker 3: will wave all under the rug.
Speaker 2: But thanks again to everyone that's listening. As well. We
Speaker 2: super appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I always say I appreciate everyone that listens, but especially
Speaker 3: the offseason pods this late, I just it means a
Speaker 3: lot to me. You guys take the chance to take
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