1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: And welcome back George Nora along with our friend Richard 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Sarah to talking about his book Tales from the Rock 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: and Roll Twilight Zone. The foward to his book is 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: written by our friend Jim Harold from Campfire Stories. By 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: the way, Richard, there's a song that the real Paul 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: McCartney US now eighty four years old, refuses to sing, 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: and it was John Lennon's. Imagine, because he wants to 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: continue to pay homage to John, he won't sing it. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Have you heard that story? 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 3: No, I wasn't aware of that. So he won't sing 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: it because he just thinks that's there's only one person 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: that can sing that, and that's John Lennon. 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: I guess jud it's John Lennon's song. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, absolutely it is. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: It's pretty good to honor for him. Our senior producer 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Tom Danhuis is a big led Zeppelin fan. You've looked 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: into Jimmy Page's fascination with Alister Crowley. 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: Oh, indeed, Jimmy Page wasn't just asually interested in Alistair Crowley. 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: I mean he became one of the world's largest private 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: collectors of Crowley artifacts, books, manuscripts, paintings, ritual objects. He 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: even opened an occult bookstore in London called the Equinox 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: and which contained all of Crowley's books and et cetera. 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: But then the prize possession for Jimmy Page is when 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 3: he purchased Alistair Crowley's house on the shores of Loch Ness, 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: Boluskin House. And this was not just any ordinary country estate. 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: It was the place where Crowley had attempted the infamous 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: a Brammelain ritual or a Brammelain operation. And according to 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: a cult tradition, that ritual involves summoning and eventually dismissing 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: dangerous spiritual entities before establishing contact with one's holy guardian angel. 31 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: Now he wouldn't refer to them as demons, but I'm 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: an Orthodox Christian. I would refer to these entities as demons. 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: So the story goes that Crowley abandoned this ritual before 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: properly closing it. In other words, he didn't properly bind 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: these entities once they came through the portal, and he 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: got called off to Paris and left the house. And 37 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: as I say, he didn't bind these spirits, and so 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: he sort of left this door open. Now, Jimmy Page 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: spent surprising, a little, surprisingly little time at Boleskin House 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: when he bought it. But strange stories started to happen. 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: Visitors reported oppressive atmospheres, unexplained sounds, odd accidents, And you know, 42 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: whether you believe any of that is another matter. But 43 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: now look at what happened led Zeppelin. Robert Plant and 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: his wife nearly die in a horrific car crash in Greece, 45 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: and then tragically, their young son, Karric dies unexpectedly. John 46 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: Bonham drinks himself to death. Jimmy Page becomes addicted to heroin, 47 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: Kenneth Anger publicly claims to have cursed him. The band collapses. Now, 48 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: am I saying that Crowley cursed led Zeppelin? No, But 49 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: you look at fame, drugs, alcohol, exhaustion. You know, those 50 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: things explain a great deal. But here's what I find interesting. 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: Jimmy Page wasn't simply fascinated by dark symbolism. He immersed 52 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: himself in it. He surrounded himself with it, He collected it, 53 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: he lived inside it. And I think if history teaches 54 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: us something, it's if you spend enough time knocking on 55 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: certain doors, Eventually something might answer. 56 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: You're right about that. And one of the fascinating in 57 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: Aslick's all of this was the death of Elvis Presently 58 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. Died at the age of forty two. 59 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: You think something sinister might have happened there, don't you. 60 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: I think it is quite likely. You know, it's interesting 61 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: his autopsy was sealed by his family in nineteen seventy seven, 62 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: and it's for fifty years. Well the fiftieth anniversary is 63 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: next year, twenty twenty seven, so it'll be interesting to 64 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: see what mysteries are still in that autopsy. But here's 65 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: the interesting thing. One he died and he was found 66 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: face down in the shag carpeting of his bathroom on 67 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: the second floor of Graceland in Memphis. There was a 68 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: rush to judgment. The medical examiner for Shelby County, where 69 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: Memphis is located, ruled almost immediately that Elvis had died 70 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: of a heart attack, and this was before receiving any 71 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: of the toxicology reports from Well. There were three separate 72 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: toxicol reports. Two of them reported that there were only 73 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: therapeutic levels of prescribed medication in Elvis in his body, 74 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: in his blood therapeutic levels, and he was on a 75 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: number of prescribed medications. He had insomnia, he had constipation, 76 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: he had glaucoma. So there's no question that Elvis took 77 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: a lot of prescribed drugs, but nothing there that would 78 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: explain his death. The third toxicology report was a real outlier. 79 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: It was conducted by Biosciences Lab in California. And let 80 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: me first say I should I need to give a 81 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: lot of credit here to someone who I interviewed, who's 82 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: in the book, and I know he's a great friend 83 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: of Coast to Coast, and that's Steve Hugh Bainey. He 84 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 3: did a lot of amazing, amazing research and his book 85 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: Who Murdered Elvis? I don't know how many hundreds of 86 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: thousands of copies he sold. But he pointed out that 87 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: this toxicology report from Biosciences Lab in California claimed that 88 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: there was eleven times the lethal dose of codeine in 89 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: Elvis's system. Eleven yes, but that doesn't make sense because 90 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: Elvis was allergic to codeine. Everybody knew Elvis was allergic 91 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: to codeine. He would never have gone anywhere near it, 92 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: and they during the autopsy. Dan Warlick, who Steve Ubaaney 93 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: got to know quite well before he passed, and he 94 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: was an investigator with the coroner or the medical officer, 95 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: a medical examiner's offices as well. He held Elvis's larynx 96 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 3: in his hands during the autopsy. Imagine that, you know, 97 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: one of the greatest voices of the twentieth century. He's 98 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: got his larynx in his hands. There was no inflammation, 99 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: There was no swelling, no sign whatsoever of anything that 100 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: would cause anaphylaxis. If you're allergic to codeine, you go 101 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: into an anaphylaxis event, and there was none of that. 102 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 3: So this outlier toxicology report, who knows how that happened. 103 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: Whether someone got to them, someone influenced them, someone blackmailed them, 104 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: bribed them, I don't know. But there was no codeine 105 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: in Elvis's system. He didn't die from a drug overdose. 106 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: And as for the heart attack, that doctor Jerry Rodriquez 107 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: or doctor Jerry forgotten his last name anyway, he said 108 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: a heart attack. That was a rush to judgment. Elvis's 109 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: heart was dissected three hundred times in that autopsy. There 110 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: was no indication of a catastrophic cardiac event on the horizon. 111 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: Elvis had also undergone a rigorous medical examination three weeks earlier, 112 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: as was required because he was about to go on 113 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: tour again. He was in fact going to go on 114 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: tour on the day that he died. That medical exam 115 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: said that Elvis was healthy, there was no heart attack, 116 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: there was no drug overdose. But there's plenty of motive 117 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: I believe for murder. 118 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: And that corner was doctor Francisco was. 119 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, Doctor Jerry Francisco, thank you for that. 120 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 4: But I know you're going to want some after hearing this. 121 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi 122 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand that Malachi, 123 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: who is eight almost nine years old now, was suffering 124 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 4: with not just one or two warts, but I mean 125 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: a significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so 126 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 4: significant it impacted his ability to really function. 127 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 128 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right. 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 5: It was Ty's book. Actually they got me thinking about it. 130 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. 131 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 4: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can 132 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: see that it would work. And so at what point 133 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: did you see that there was actually improvement, it's really 134 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 4: going to work. 135 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: Well, look, we. 136 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 5: Really to notice it. Around twelve weeks. You can see 137 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 5: these things actually getting smaller and smaller and then going 138 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 5: down to the with just little red marks. The whole 139 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 5: things are gone and we're talking about what's you know 140 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 5: one that size for Warner? 141 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: I thought, no way that's gonna Wow. 142 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 5: It's just been miraculous to see him get into a 143 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 5: pair of shoes. 144 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: Yes, how wonderful. 145 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and yeah. 146 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 4: Confident, absolutely wonderful. 147 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away. 148 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: TI, this is awesome. 149 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome. 150 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 6: Another amazing story. Why we're talking about Carnivora. 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He 161 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: was essentially an undocumented or an illegal immigrant into the 162 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: United States. He slipped into the country. He was allegedly 163 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: involved in the death of an individual possible manslaughter. He 164 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: was escaping justice in Europe, came to the United States. 165 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: He signed Elvis to an unbelievable contract where he took 166 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: fifty cents of every dollar that he made a fortune 167 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: from Elvis a fortune, yes, yes, And at a certain 168 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: point Colonel Tom Parker got indebted to the mob. He 169 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: was a gambler in Las Vegas. He was into the 170 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: mob apparently for about thirty million dollars. That's why he 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: had Elvis touring and performing in Las Vegas endlessly to 172 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: pay off his gambling debts. At the same time, the 173 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: FBI were very interested in the Mob, who were running 174 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: Las Vegas. At that time. Many of the casinos were 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: run by the Mob. The FBI infiltrated Elvis's entourage and 176 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 3: even his massive backup band as cover, and they were 177 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: there spying on the mob. So now the mob goes 178 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: to Colonel Tom Parker. According to this theory, and says 179 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: wait a minute, your guy is spying on us, you 180 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: owe us thirty million dollars. I mean, you better do 181 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: something about the situation. So there's a motive right there. 182 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: There's also Operation Fountain Pen This was a major FBI 183 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 3: operation that was investigating white collar crime. In particular, certain 184 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: corporations that were connected to the Mob were involved in 185 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: some financial shenanigans. Let's say Vernon Presley, Elvis's father, got 186 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: caught up in this trap. He was a victim. What 187 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: happened was he was going to sell one of Elvis's 188 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: private jets, the hound Dog, too, and he sold it 189 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: to one of these Mob connected companies that were doing 190 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: illegal financial activity. And so it's quite likely that Elvis 191 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: Presley would have been called as a witness against the mob. 192 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: He wasn't the only victim of this scheme, but he 193 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: was certainly the most high profile. Imagine Elvis Presley taking 194 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: the stand in a court case against the mob. The spotlight, 195 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: the media attention. So there's another reason where the mob 196 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: why the Mob was not too happy with Elvis Presley. 197 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: Then Colonel Tom Parker also realized at a certain point, 198 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: as Elvis was getting tired, Colonel Tom Parker would would 199 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: drive Elvis into the ground, exhaust him physically emotionally. He pushed, 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: he pushed, he did. He would drag him my of 201 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: his sick bed and tell his handlers to stick his 202 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: head in a bucket of ice to revive him so 203 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: he could push him out onto the stage. Elvis was 204 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: starting to break down a little bit. The colonel discovered 205 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: that Elvis was worth more dead than alive. This, this 206 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: new enterprise of plastering a celebrity's face on T shirts 207 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: and buttons, was just in its early stages, and Colonel 208 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: Tom Parker was one of the pioneers in this field, 209 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: and he realized, Hey, I can make more money selling 210 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: T shirts and buttons and records. I don't need Elvis anymore. 211 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: So you add all those things up, and to me, 212 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: I think the probability that Elvis was murdered is quite high. 213 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: There was a YouTube clip of Elvis attempting to sing 214 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: are You Lonesome Tonight? And he's into it, flooding the words, 215 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 2: just going. It was just. It was sad. It was sad, 216 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: and his life was going downhill, wasn't it. 217 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: He was a very lonely man. In fact, you know 218 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 3: that bathroom I mentioned was kind of his personal sanctuary. 219 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: He didn't just go in there to, you know, use 220 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: the bathroom. He would sit in there and he would read, 221 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: and he would go in there to escape. He had 222 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: so many hangers on and extended family members that were 223 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: basically he was supporting them. And Vernon Presley was his 224 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: father again, was about to buy all accounts, sort of 225 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: get the house in financial order, which meant maybe cutting 226 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: a lot of those people off, which who knows, maybe 227 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: that played into the motive as well. But Elvis was 228 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: very lonely. It's a very tragic story what happened to him, 229 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: and I think he knew that he was being not 230 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: only used and manipulated by his own manager, but maybe 231 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: even by members of his extended family. 232 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: Maybe so February third, nineteen fifty nine, the day the 233 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: music died, that horrible play crash that took delives of 234 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: Buddy Holly, Richie Vellens, JB. The Big Bopper, and the 235 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: Pilot Roger Peterson. You've looked at that too. 236 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: I got to know Peggy Sue Garon a little bit, 237 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 3: the real Peggy Sue who was immortalized in the song 238 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 3: Peggy Sue by Buddy hauling their crickets. Yes, yeah, that's 239 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: the one, and Peggy Sue got married, which was kind 240 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: of the sequel, which was later the inspiration for a movie. 241 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: But Peggy Sue described to me dreams and premonitions involving 242 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: Buddy Hawley's death. Uh, and these weren't simply vague feelings 243 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: that something bad might happen. She never claimed to be 244 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: a psychic, but she had a series of three dreams, 245 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: and in the most striking account, she dreamed of an 246 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: aircraft in trouble, spinning and descending, and she heard screaming, 247 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: and she says she felt the nausea and the terror 248 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: of the people aboard, and she awoke deeply shaken, and 249 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: she attempted to warn Buddy every time, please don't chart 250 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: her an airplane. Of course, he just kind of laughed 251 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: it off, brushed her off. But what makes the account 252 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: especially haunting is the specificity of the emotional and mechanical imagery, 253 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: not just death, but a small aircraft losing control in darkness. 254 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: And as I say, there were other premonitions surrounding the flight. 255 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: Richie Vallence, who also died on that plane, he had 256 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: a lifelong fear of flying after witnessing about a or 257 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: I shouldn't say witnessing. He learned about this mid air collision, 258 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: airplane collision that took place over his school in California, 259 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: and the debris from this crash above his school rained 260 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: down onto the school ground and killed students. He coincidentally 261 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: was away at his grandfather's funeral, and in fact, there 262 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: was one particular tree in the school yard where he 263 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: used to sit with his guitar and entertain his classmates 264 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 3: and sing, and some of the debris struck where he 265 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: normally would sit. And yet, despite that and that fear 266 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 3: of flying, on the night of the crash, Richie Vallens 267 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: desperately wanted a seat on that plane because this was 268 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: during the winter dance tour. 269 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: And he had a cold or something, didn't he. 270 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: He did, he did. They were all sick. Their drummer, 271 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: Carl Bunch, was in hospital with frostbite because they were 272 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: driving on this bus that didn't have a proper heater. 273 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: It was February in Iowa, if you can imagine horrible conditions. 274 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 3: So Buddy Hawley wanted to charter a plane to get 275 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: ahead to the next tour stop and maybe get some 276 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: laundry done. Richie Vallens was so desperate to get on 277 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 3: that plane and he lost it or he won. He 278 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: thought he won a toin costs a coin toss rather 279 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 3: with someone else who was supposed to be on that plane. 280 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: It was away Lund Jennings, wasn't it. 281 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 3: Well, Whalen did give up his seat. He gave it 282 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: up to the Big Bopper. And this is kind of 283 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: a sad story because the their final exchange, Whalen Jennings 284 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: went to the airport to see them fly off, and 285 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: of course he gave up his place to the Big 286 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: Bopper in exchange for a sleeping bag so he could 287 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: be warm, warm on the on the bus. But he 288 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 3: Buddy joked to h Whale and he said, uh, Whale, 289 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: and I hope you're you're gonna freeze your butt on 290 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: that bus. And Whalen unfortunately and regretted this for the 291 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: rest of his life. He said to Buddy Holly, well, 292 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: I hope you're playing crashes. 293 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast Am every weeknight at 294 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 295 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: dot com for more