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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey, everybody, welcome to the wire to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which has brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is all about deer hunting, weapon choice, and

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Speaker 1: how mixing things up can make you a better hunter overall.

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Speaker 1: I grew up as a strict bow hunter. From the

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Speaker 1: age of twelve until I think I was twenty four,

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Speaker 1: I never picked up a gun to hunt any big game.

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Speaker 1: Even then, the gun I picked up was a little

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Speaker 1: to forty three because my dad and I had planned

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Speaker 1: a trip out west to hunt Wyoming antelope. Now the

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Speaker 1: little goat I shot on day two. That was my

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Speaker 1: first big game animal with a rifle, and while it

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Speaker 1: didn't exactly line me out on a gun hunter's path,

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Speaker 1: did actually open my eyes. It also made it easier

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Speaker 1: for me to try out a muzzle order, which I

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Speaker 1: just kind of fell in love with. And throughout this

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Speaker 1: and through a brief foray in a traditional bow hunting

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Speaker 1: and now crossbows for my kids, I've realized something hunting

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Speaker 1: with a different weapon can make you a better hunter overall.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm going to tell you how many of

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Speaker 1: you find listeners might not know this about me, but

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Speaker 1: I am ubsessed with dogs, working dogs mostly, and the

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Speaker 1: other side of my career, the one that doesn't involve

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Speaker 1: white tails at all, involves dogs, training them, writing about them,

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Speaker 1: photographing them, filming them, you name it. I freaking love

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Speaker 1: dogs that have a job. I also really look up

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Speaker 1: to some dog trainers, and I've had the good fortune

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Speaker 1: of becoming close friends with a fellow named Tom Dockin

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Speaker 1: and Doc I don't know if he's not the goat

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Speaker 1: of retriever training, he's definitely on the podium holding up

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Speaker 1: a top three medal, and I know one have interviewed

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Speaker 1: a pile of other legends in the sport too, and

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Speaker 1: plenty of the up and comers who will probably unseat

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Speaker 1: the old names after a few decades. Do you know

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Speaker 1: what you find when you embed yourself into that world

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Speaker 1: of breeding and training hunting dogs. You find people who

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Speaker 1: challenge themselves to level up, and you find people who

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Speaker 1: choose an easier path to get really good at very

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Speaker 1: specific aspects of dog training or specializing in a certain breed.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you example of the former one trainer

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Speaker 1: I know who is a certified badass is Jennifer Broom.

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Speaker 1: She owns q K Kennels in Connecticut and is not

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Speaker 1: only a seriously talented trainer, but also a die hard hunter.

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Speaker 1: She and I spent some time last You're chasing woodcock

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Speaker 1: and grouse on public land in northern Wisconsin, and she

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Speaker 1: explained her strategy of dog training to me, which is

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Speaker 1: basically sort of like the Connor McGregor, you know, heyday

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Speaker 1: of UFC, Take them all, take on everybody, or maybe

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Speaker 1: Nate Diaz or whoever. She wouldn't turn down a dog.

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Speaker 1: She'd take on super well bred hunting breeds, she'd take

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Speaker 1: on Mutt's shelter dogs, and just generally any dog that

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Speaker 1: came her away. She takes the dogs that have already

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Speaker 1: been trained very well but also might need a little

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Speaker 1: polishing for upper level work like triple blinder trees or

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Speaker 1: hand signals. She take dogs that I don't know, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: She'd take dogs that need basic foundation work at three

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Speaker 1: training until that point. Now, anyone who knows dogs knows

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Speaker 1: what a challenge that is to unravel all of those

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Speaker 1: those positive behaviors you want. In fact, if you ask

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Speaker 1: most trainers what the biggest problem they have with any

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Speaker 1: or allowed. A trainer who chooses to work with those

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Speaker 1: in the old toolbox. Now, the other side of this

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Speaker 1: in the training world are you know which you could

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Speaker 1: kind of call it the specialists. They love the British labs,

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Speaker 1: Or if your spouse brings home a dog from a

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Speaker 1: The broader experience solving problems with a huge range of

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Speaker 1: to think and work through those problems over and over. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and the specialists are great, but they are also the

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Speaker 1: kind of people who I don't know in the dear world,

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Speaker 1: hunt only one spot their entire life. They may get

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Speaker 1: very good at that specific property, but they might not

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Speaker 1: This podcast leans heavily towards the bow hunting realm for

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Speaker 1: several reasons. First off, it's mine and I primarily only

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Speaker 1: bo hunt, so that's a per a big factor. It's

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Speaker 1: also not much of a secret that the folks who

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Speaker 1: deer space also tend to mostly be hardcore bow hunters first,

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Speaker 1: but as being only a bow hunter the best choice

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Speaker 1: don't think so. I do believe in my heart of

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Speaker 1: with rifle shotguns and muzzle leaders. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: even a gun that is a relatively short range weapon

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Speaker 1: So instead of hunting deer like I do with a bow,

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Speaker 1: After all, that extra horsepower should have allowed me to

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Speaker 1: And you've heard me talk about it a ton on here,

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Speaker 1: which is cover as king. The bucks I've killed with

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Speaker 1: what your weapon of choices. If you have that box

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Speaker 1: But what does that teach you. It'll probably teach you

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Speaker 1: with serious firepower. What would the third day a gun

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Speaker 1: you've never hunted, Maybe to a place that is grassy plains,

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Speaker 1: maybe full of cat tails, losing tiny woodlots and couldn't

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Speaker 1: This is the thing about weapon choice, my friends. It

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