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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up What's up?

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Speaker 2: Guys, Welcome into a week fifteen edition of Chargers Weekly.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hayry here with you, as always, joined by the

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Speaker 2: voice of the Chargers, S.

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Speaker 3: Matt Bunny Smith.

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Speaker 2: We're turning the page on the Chiefs. The Bucks come

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Speaker 2: to town on Sunday, A lot to get into money

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Speaker 2: with justin Herbert injury news and obviously he's kind of

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Speaker 2: scouting the Bucks. But let's just rewind to Arrowhead seventh

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Speaker 2: straight loss to the Chiefs, a very similar ending, and

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Speaker 2: in the locker room, guys didn't want moral victories. Stirwin

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Speaker 2: James wasn't here for Khalil Max certainly wasn't here for it.

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Speaker 2: So I ask you, you've covered a number of these,

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Speaker 2: what makes you think that this Jim Harball version of

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Speaker 2: the Chargers is closer to making this thing a true rivalry.

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Speaker 4: It's a great question, because you know it's a sweep

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Speaker 4: again at the hands of the Chiefs not at full strength.

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Speaker 4: Obviously in the first one, without their tackles, with Derwin

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Speaker 4: James on suspension, with Herbert Hobbold having just come out

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Speaker 4: of a walking boot, a team felt like it was

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Speaker 4: a lot more healthy going into this one. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're still down really your primary pass catching weapon and

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Speaker 4: someone who I thought would have had a huge role

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Speaker 4: in that game, just because you know, Jamari Connor has

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Speaker 4: kind of been the guy that's been picked on all

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Speaker 4: season long and work in the middle of that field.

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Speaker 4: Plus it might have dedicated Trent McDuffie to him, you know,

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Speaker 4: providing other options. And I'm just kind of going through

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Speaker 4: all of that to say, I don't think it mattered.

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Speaker 4: I think that was still just a very similar game

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Speaker 4: to what we've seen, you know, the Chiefs. I think

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Speaker 4: that that what we tended to talk about is how, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Chargers didn't play they didn't have all

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Speaker 4: of these guys or and we say it about every team,

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Speaker 4: and I think you come to the realization of I

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Speaker 4: think the Chiefs tend to dictate terms. They get you

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Speaker 4: to play the game on their terms. They are not

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Speaker 4: an explosive offense right now. I was not impressed with

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Speaker 4: what they had out there Offensively. I thought the Chargers

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Speaker 4: defense did a great job of controlling them. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they shut them out in the third quarter, they held

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Speaker 4: them at six points in the second half, they held

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Speaker 4: them really to six points in the first half, save

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Speaker 4: that two minute drill they ran. So I think it

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Speaker 4: kind of comes down to the same thing, and it's

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Speaker 4: just winning time, you know, executing the way the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: execute when you got to have it on that last

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Speaker 4: drive when you felt like, man, they could really this

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Speaker 4: is a touchdown drive, not a field goal drive, or

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Speaker 4: it feels like that's going to be the difference in

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Speaker 4: this game. And I think that's just sort of the

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Speaker 4: hump you have to get over. And so I set

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Speaker 4: all that up to say, I still feel like this

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Speaker 4: team is a year ahead, like based on where the

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Speaker 4: cap was, the weapons they have, the way they want

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Speaker 4: to build this thing. It feels like they're trying to

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Speaker 4: They're doing the best they can with what they have,

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Speaker 4: and I just feel like it's going to look so

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Speaker 4: different a year or two from now. But to me,

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Speaker 4: that's ultimately what and why they've won fifteen consecutive one

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Speaker 4: score games. They just they dictate terms, they execute when

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Speaker 4: they have to, and they win games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's calling the Chiefs lucky this year, and there's

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Speaker 2: been a degree of luck with some of these with

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Speaker 2: some of these plays and what's happening in the Raiders game,

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Speaker 2: for instance, in the Broncos game, the Panthers game, where

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Speaker 2: was twenty seven to twenty seven. But when you're in

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Speaker 2: as many situations as the Chiefs are in late game

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Speaker 2: situations and you master them, you're not just lucky, you're good.

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Speaker 2: You're masters of the moment. And that third and ten

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Speaker 2: on that final drive, that was Patrick Mahomes at his

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Speaker 2: absolute best in a situation throwing a strike and nobody

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Speaker 2: else makes that play. No, no, no, no other quarterback

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Speaker 2: seven where Kelsey catches it so an opportunity to ice

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Speaker 2: the game. These are situations that the Chiefs have been

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Speaker 2: in all season long, and really most of Mahomes's career,

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Speaker 2: if they're not blowing teams out and nobody in the

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Speaker 2: NFL has been able to stop it. Or it's not

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Speaker 2: just the Charger problem, it's an NFL problem against these Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one that you know when we're doing this

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Speaker 4: arding this pod, Jesse Minner hasn't spoken yet. I wish

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Speaker 4: he had, just so because he's so good at just

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Speaker 4: being very upfront. He's he he's not averse to talking

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Speaker 4: about specific plays, but i'd be interested to kind of

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Speaker 4: hear what his thoughts were on that, because you know,

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Speaker 4: Derwin had been busting up Travis Kelsey the whole game.

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Speaker 4: Kelsey could not get off a Drwin. He basically had him. Okay,

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Speaker 4: if you watch was great, Yeah, the mic up was great,

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Speaker 4: But if you watch every snap when Durwin's impressed, Kelsey

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Speaker 4: can't get away from him. So it's kind of a

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Speaker 4: curious situation where okay, it's third and seven, you know

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Speaker 4: where Mahomes likes to go. So it's kind of like

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Speaker 4: the Princess Bride. Well, I know that I couldn't drink

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Speaker 4: that because you think that I'm going to, So I

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Speaker 4: feel like it's a little bit of that. It's like, well,

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Speaker 4: Darwin's been dominating, So do I really think Patrick's going

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Speaker 4: to look at Kelsey if I put Drwin? No. I

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Speaker 4: think there's scar tissue and there's muscle memory. And what

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Speaker 4: does Mahomes do in those situations? He runs like you

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Speaker 4: you have it covered, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: you're one man short and he runs and he picks

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Speaker 4: up the first time he may have run run in

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Speaker 4: the massage way, and it's like, damn, he did it again.

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Speaker 4: And so I feel like maybe the defense's most valuable

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Speaker 4: resource in that moment. Derwin was sort of committed to

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Speaker 4: trying to prevent that. So, you know, it's a tough one.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough way because I really, I really wonder

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Speaker 4: just the way they had played, the offense had played

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Speaker 4: in the second half. They had found this rhythm they

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Speaker 4: had found you know, Stone Smart and Q and Palmer

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Speaker 4: had their best games of the season, and Kamani Vaidell

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Speaker 4: is now running explosively, and it just felt like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: we got momentum back, you know, and I would have

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Speaker 4: loved to have seen the ball back in Herbert's hands

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Speaker 4: with you know, a minute fifteen left or what it

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Speaker 4: a game winning field goal.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 3: Defense was awesome.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you hold the Chiefs the nineteen points,

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to win that football game. And for as

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Speaker 2: good as the Chargers offense was in the second half,

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Speaker 2: money it's those it's that slow start. And it was

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Speaker 2: six quarters without an offensive touchdown for this offense. So

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Speaker 2: it seems like sometimes they disappear and then when they're hot,

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Speaker 2: they and I think that that was the difference in

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Speaker 3: That first half.

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Speaker 2: I look at that missed opportunity with Joshua Palmer that

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Speaker 2: probably should have been a touchdown. Yeah, it would have

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Speaker 2: been those plays happen, and I get it, But just

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Speaker 2: no sustained success, no sustained drives in that first half.

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Speaker 4: Right, So, and then you look at the third quarter

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Speaker 4: and it's the best third quarter they played all season,

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Speaker 4: not even close, you know, and they're able to give

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Speaker 4: held the ball for nearly twelve minutes. So you kind

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Speaker 4: of find some things. You make up for some things

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Speaker 4: on the Josh Palmer throw, you know, and the miss

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Speaker 4: the way I kind of taste it, Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 4: missed opportunity. Could have changed the dynamic of the game.

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Speaker 4: And you get this explosive and now you're up and

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Speaker 4: you've announced, hey, I know we don't have lad and

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Speaker 4: but we're here and you're gonna have to stop us.

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Speaker 4: But so there's that side of it. The other side is,

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Speaker 4: you know, Josh got open, Josh ran the route. Josh

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Speaker 4: had his best game of the year, Quinton had his

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Speaker 4: best game of his career against the Chiefs. I know

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Speaker 4: the stats won't say, you know, he's had an one

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Speaker 4: but just the way he played, especially coming off of

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Speaker 4: like it affected him and maybe had some carryover to Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: For him to catch up all over the middle, hold

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Speaker 4: for him to finally fight through contact to get that flag.

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Speaker 4: It's something that kind of I feel like this coaching

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Speaker 4: staff's been working on him with, like, you know, you've

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Speaker 4: got to the nuances of being a wide receiver. It's

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Speaker 4: You've got to fight through him in order to get

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Speaker 4: Wall gets flagged for holding, you know, when Herbert's under

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Speaker 4: durest to kind of recognize, Okay, I got to help

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Speaker 4: my quarterback out little subtle offensive shove of the corner

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Speaker 4: and sprint back and catch that pass which would have

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Speaker 4: gone for twenty eight. Like those are things that you

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Speaker 4: can pack and bring with you. And so, yeah, they lost,

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Speaker 4: but maybe now we have we can end the conversation

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Speaker 4: of you know, end the social media memes about Q

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Speaker 4: dropping balls. We can end the where is Josh Palmer.

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Speaker 4: No one can do anything but Lad McConkey. Like, those

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Speaker 4: are things that I think can have genuine momentum for

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Speaker 4: the final four games.

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Speaker 5: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: And when you're trying to figure out your offensive identity anyway,

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Speaker 2: and you're one and you don't have JK. Dobbins in

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Speaker 2: late minute scratch.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was a true game time decision.

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Speaker 2: I get it, but it's not easy to adjust on

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Speaker 2: the fly against the Super Bowl champs. Well, Disley goes

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Speaker 2: out of the game that second half. I thought we

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Speaker 2: saw some rhythm to the running game finally with Kimani Videll,

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Speaker 2: and I hope that Videll gets the touches that Dobbins

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Speaker 2: got and you keep Gus Edwards doing what he does

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Speaker 2: and then Stone Smart with two huge catches in this.

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Speaker 3: Game money three three big ones two two big ones

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Speaker 3: on there's two.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown drives that you look at the bucks and we'll

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Speaker 2: get into the bucks. They have no linebackers, a right,

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Speaker 2: they have no linebackers at all. Can Stone Smart maybe

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Speaker 2: do something in the absence of Disley here?

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Speaker 3: El Sunday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, and I think if you ask again. Unfortunately

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Speaker 4: Greg Roman's going to talk, you know, after we're doing

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Speaker 4: this pod. But the question has to be asked, just

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Speaker 4: why has this guy not been getting reps? You do

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Speaker 4: not have an athletic tight end on this team. I

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Speaker 4: understand your tight ends need to block and but that's

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Speaker 4: why you signed Hayden Hurst and that's what he was

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Speaker 4: supposed to provide and unfortunately took that injury in that

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Speaker 4: preseason game and he's just never been the same since.

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Speaker 4: But you said it with Tampa. We saw it going

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Speaker 4: a DJ called it. He's like, this is a Stone

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Speaker 4: Smart game. You know, they are weak in the middle

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Speaker 4: ends and it took an injury to Disley to get

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Speaker 4: than a Fox game, and just get him to have

432
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Speaker 4: to move and feed him into Bos and feed him

433
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Speaker 4: into Mac and Tully and all that.

434
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Speaker 1: Like this.

435
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Speaker 4: To me, DJ calls it the Ferrari package. This could

436
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 4: be a really good Ferrari package game for for Jesse

437
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 4: Minner to have, you know, Mac Mac and maybe let's

438
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Speaker 4: just say it's Mac. Let's go tu Lee, Bud and

439
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 4: Joey or Buds on the outside Tooley and Joey are

440
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 4: on the inside. That could be a really fun little

441
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 4: wrinkle that we could see in this game, just because

442
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 4: of how soft the interior of that line has been,

443
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 4: and what you can do to Baker if you can

444
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Speaker 4: just get him off his spot and get him to

445
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 4: sale a few of those throws. But they're around a

446
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 4: ton of motion. I mean, my gosh, just watching last

447
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 4: couple of games, it's like every single place Sterling Shepherd's

448
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 4: in motion or Mac is in motion, or so there's

449
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Speaker 4: there's challenges, but the challenge to me starts with the

450
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,639
Speaker 4: run game. They've got to figure out how to slow

451
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Speaker 4: that thing down because so much of it is predicated

452
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Speaker 4: out of them having those two backs there at the

453
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Speaker 4: same time, and you have no idea which way they're

454
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Speaker 4: going and how good they are at forcing misstackles and

455
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 4: yards after contact.

456
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Speaker 2: Looking at the injury report on Thursday, since the Bucks

457
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: from the East Coast looked like Irving didn't practice again

458
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 2: today with back tightness. But you mentioned Rashaan White, he

459
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: could take the load. Yeah, he's an excellent back, and

460
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 2: that's been the bread and butter of the Bucks all seasons.

461
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 2: Their ability to run the football set things up for

462
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: Baker on the outside. Kate Otten's another guy the tight

463
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: end who Baker likes to get to as well, big

464
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: third down guy. So I think the one glaring difference

465
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: between these two teams is the ability to protect the football.

466
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: The Chargers have six turnovers this year. The Bucks have eighteen.

467
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 2: So if that's one thing, it may not be sexy

468
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: every time the Chargers play offense, but they don't turn

469
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Speaker 2: the ball over and that's a big ingredient to winning football.

470
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and like we said, Baker will give

471
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Speaker 4: you some. I don't know what his interception totals are,

472
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Speaker 4: and these thirteen is thirteen, Yeah, you know, Bucky Evering's

473
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 4: put it on the ground a few times already, So yeah,

474
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: win the turnover battle, you know, That's that's what you

475
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 4: got to do. And that's what they did against Atlanta,

476
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Speaker 4: and that's what led to a win. It's a it's

477
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 4: a really really good offense. It's like I said, it's

478
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Speaker 4: a it's a good offense Liam Cohen's doing. It's gonna

479
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 4: be fun. This is like two of your bright young

480
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 4: Nobody knew their names maybe before the season, but everybody

481
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: certainly knows their names now. Liam Cohen versus Jesse Minner,

482
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: you know, in that OC versus DC matchup, when the

483
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: Tampa offense is on the field, and then I think

484
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Speaker 4: the big question becomes, you know what, what kind of

485
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 4: game is this for the Tampa defense? As I mentioned,

486
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 4: they allow thirteen to the Raiders, they allow seven to

487
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 4: the Giants, they hold San Francisco to twenty three. But

488
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 4: then you go through and you see, oh, yeah, they

489
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 4: gave up what they give up thirty six to Atlanta,

490
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 4: forty one to Baltimore, thirty one to Atlanta the second time,

491
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Speaker 4: thirty to the Chiefs that the Chargers just held to

492
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Speaker 4: a game winning field goal in nineteen, you know, So

493
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 4: that's it's been weird because Tampa team's been really strange

494
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Speaker 4: in terms of that four game losing streak six of

495
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 4: eight versus what we've seen these last three weeks. Are

496
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 4: these last three weeks a product of level of competition Giants, Panthers,

497
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 4: Raiders or is it a product of them having figured

498
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 4: something out, the defense becoming more dominant, the running game

499
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 4: really coming into its own.

500
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Speaker 1: Don't know. I don't know.

501
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Speaker 4: I'm anxious to see because, like I said, there's enough

502
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 4: there now. Look, they hung thirty one on Baltimore. They

503
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 4: stuck Atlanta for twenty six, twenty four against Kansas City,

504
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: so you know it took them to overtime. So yeah,

505
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 4: the offense. I think the offense is going to travel.

506
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 4: I think they'll be able to make some plays, you know,

507
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,239
Speaker 4: and it'll come down to turnovers. Can you force kind

508
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: of like Atlanta. Yeah, they move the ball, but you

509
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: were able to force turnovers.

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

511
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Speaker 5: You know.

512
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Speaker 2: The one thing about the defense of the Bucks, just

513
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: listening to some of the folks down there on the

514
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: podcast down there, they're very concerned about their safeties.

515
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah they have.

516
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they lose Winfield, he lose Winfield. Is it Whitehead too?

517
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 2: White Head lose Whitehead. So I just go back to

518
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: that play with Palmer in the first half, like, maybe

519
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity for Justin to take some shots. Yeah,

520
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: you want to control the game and you want to

521
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: run the football with Videll and Gus, But the fact

522
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: that they are so depleted at linebacker in safety, I

523
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: look at it being a potential still and smart game.

524
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully Lad is back. You can find some pockets in

525
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: that secondary too. But the beauty of playing offense here

526
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: with Justin Herbert is you could do anything right. You

527
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: can do anything, and if there's an opportunity to take

528
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: some shots down the field. I know it's not something

529
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: that you see on a week to week basis here,

530
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: but maybe because of the opponent, because they are traveling.

531
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Speaker 2: I don't think I heard the stat that Todd Bowles

532
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: has never won a road AFC game. Okay, so four

533
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: thirteen against the AFC. When you're game planning against non

534
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: NFC opponents, it's just different. So again I'm trying to

535
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: shed some positivity on the Chargers side.

536
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, their corners are good. Jamal Deane's good coown.

537
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 4: I think in terms of like those explosive plays. That's

538
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: why it's going to be important to get this run

539
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 4: game going. They've got to get the run game going.

540
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: They've got to stick with it. They've got to pick

541
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 4: up those four yards on first down and be able

542
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 4: to commit to it because they're gonna blitz. I mean,

543
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: they just look at the splits for Herbert under pressure

544
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 4: versus not under pressure, and it's not Remember it's not

545
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Speaker 4: necessarily justin Herbert's stat it's an offense stat. It's are

546
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 4: his guys able to get off press coverage? Are they

547
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: able to get open early if pressure's coming for him

548
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 4: to deliver the ball, And if they're not, he's just

549
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 4: gonna eat it and take the sack because of how

550
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 4: good the defense is played. So I think for people

551
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Speaker 4: that are drawing this narrative, oh, what's happened to Herbert

552
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 4: when he's under pressure, Well, guys aren't open and he's

553
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: only got one interception and the defense is the number

554
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: one scoring defense in the league and they've been in

555
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 4: every single game this season. So it's that Harbaugh philosophy

556
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: of treadwater, hold your opponent in the fourth quarter, pull

557
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: them under and and Herbert subscribe to it. Now, if

558
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: guys are flashing open, yeah, he's going to deliver the

559
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: ball and he's gonna put the ball. It's not like

560
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: he didn't put the ball in in danger's way last week.

561
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about those Stone Smart fifty to

562
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: fifty balls downfield. You're talking about quitting over the middle,

563
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: going into double coverage like he's willing to put it

564
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 4: in peril's path. But they're gonna blitz, which again, run

565
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 4: right into it. You've got to run into the blitz

566
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: and get them to stop and get them to be

567
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: on their heels instead of on their toe, sending five

568
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 4: and six guys every single snap.

569
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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing on the other side of.

570
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Speaker 4: The ball Chris is is in terms of Jesse Minner,

571
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 4: how good he is, you know after the snap disguising

572
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: you know, oh Kirk thought you know when we talked

573
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Speaker 4: about the turnovers from Kirk and what he thought it

574
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: was compared to what it was. And I think you

575
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 4: can you can win some of those battles against Baker

576
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: just because he's kind of that swagger like, ah, I

577
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: just fit this thing right in there, and my guy,

578
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: I'll get it and it's like, oh, it's not what

579
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: you thought you saw, and bang, here's here's an interception,

580
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 4: here's a turnover, here's a sack you didn't feel coming

581
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: from the other side because you thought they were rushing

582
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: for they overloaded the other side. And now it's a

583
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 4: helmet that middle of your back and the balls on

584
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: the ground. So because I think he's fumbled six or

585
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: seven times this season as well, so that it's going

586
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: to be that that to me is sort of like

587
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: what we're looking at.

588
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: You know what's cool is we've seen three iterations of

589
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield against these Chargers. You remember that Browns game.

590
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: It was one of the best games of so far,

591
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: and then we saw him with the Rams where he

592
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: had just gotten there and they were you know, they

593
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: weren't very good, and the Chargers dominate him. But the

594
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: think the guy got into the league in twenty eighteen

595
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: and he's now with his fourth team, third that the

596
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Chargers will see at so Far Stadium. You brought up

597
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: a good point about Baker though, for a solid of

598
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: a season as he's having, when you have injuries to

599
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: Mike Evans and maybe he's not one hundred percent, he

600
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: will miss Godwin.

601
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: Know, Chris Godwin, he will.

602
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: Make mistakes, yeah, and you can capitalize on those mistakes.

603
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: And I you know, the guy that we were going

604
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: to talk to, and tar Heeb still took advantage of

605
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. I'm fascinated to hear from tar Heeb just

606
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: not only playing against Baker Mayfield, but Mike Evans, a

607
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: guy who's going to be a gold jacket guy who's

608
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl, who is the model consistency, and

609
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: I think he needs just over like just over one

610
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: hundred yards a game to get a thousand. That's exactly

611
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: right for every and if he missed what three or

612
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: four games, Yeah, it's it's unbelievable what he's doing.

613
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 4: But they are again they're forcing him the ball like

614
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 4: they want him to get that record. So but and

615
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 4: if you're going to force a ball to a guy

616
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 4: not a bad guy to force at all, it's kind

617
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 4: of like it works, you know both ways. That The

618
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 4: one other thing too, and I'm sure Tari will get

619
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: into this when we talk to him as we kind

620
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: of wrap it up and get ready to sit down

621
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 4: with him, is you know the one thing you can

622
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: do to counter you know this Bucks team is you're

623
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna throw a lot of three receivers

624
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: out there. They're not playing a lot of two tight ends. Now.

625
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: They will play some twenty one with the two backs,

626
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 4: with with ra Shat White and with with Bucky Irving

627
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: in the back of the and Sean Tucker for that matter.

628
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: You know, they'll feels like they have a lot of

629
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: those two backs, a lot of twenty one for them.

630
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: So when you have those three receiver sets, like, the

631
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: Chargers are different than everybody else because their big nicol

632
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: is Derwin James. So it it's it's, yes, they take

633
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: advantage of big nickel and run the ball into it

634
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: and have this effective run game. But yeah, now you're

635
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: running the ball into a big nickel with Derwin and

636
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: that's where you can separate and play in nickel for

637
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: the majority of the game, yet at the same time

638
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: not sacrifice as much because your third safety, your big

639
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: nickel is is like a freaking linebacker and hits like

640
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: a mac truck. So that's where maybe you can get

641
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: that schematic advantage of what the Bucks have been able

642
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: to take it, you know, have been able to take

643
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: advantage of these last few games that other teams just

644
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: don't have a drwin.

645
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: How about this McMillan kid from Washington that the rookie

646
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: and another impressive rookie to go with Irving, a couple

647
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Speaker 2: of Pack twelve guys dominating with.

648
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: Tampa absolutely and you'll see him and Shepherd in motion

649
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: on every single snap and they find ways to get

650
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: him open. And it's like there's so much focus on

651
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: the backfield because of those backs on Mike Evans, because

652
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: you know they're forcing in the ball that you look

653
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: up and you're like, holy col McMillan and Shepherd had

654
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: sixty yards a piece in this game and like four

655
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 4: first downs and they do a really look. Liam Cohen's

656
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: doing a hack of a job. I mean, an absolute

657
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 4: hack of a job with what he has considering you know,

658
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: Chris Godwin went down. You know, he's been able to

659
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: just have guys step in and that's kind of what

660
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Speaker 4: we're talking about with the Chargers, right, Yeah, No, lad mccacky,

661
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen? Q plays his best game of his career,

662
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: Josh plays the best game of the season, Stone Smart

663
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: has one of the best games of his career, and

664
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Speaker 4: that's just what coach Harbo's talking about opportunity. Man, when

665
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: opportunity shows up, raise your hand.

666
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: And take it.

667
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: That's it.

668
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Speaker 2: Let's wrap it up on this. How important money are

669
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Speaker 2: these next two games? Because we're fully expecting the Chargers

670
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 2: to make the postseason, right, Yeah, how important is it

671
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: to win these next two kind of be in control

672
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: of your playoff seating before you play New England in Vegas,

673
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: And that'll allow guys to get healthy, hopefully get Dobbins back.

674
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully lad he'd get healthy justin all his bumps and bruises.

675
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Speaker 2: I just I find the next two weeks so critical

676
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: to ab good teams because you want to sweep the Broncos.

677
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: You want to take care of a Bucks team who's

678
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: fully expecting to go to the playoffs too, but also

679
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: just for the long haul, just to get ready for January.

680
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Speaker 1: The right way. Yeah.

681
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Speaker 4: So this is the one thing for people that are

682
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: starting to freak out Charger fans that have some history

683
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: and think about the past and how things can unravel.

684
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Speaker 4: I would say this, The Chargers did what I had

685
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 4: hoped they would do over the previous four the Gauntlet.

686
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: Can you split the Gauntlet? Can you win one of

687
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 4: two against the Ravens and Bengals at home. Can you

688
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: win one of two against the Falcons and Chiefs on

689
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Speaker 4: the road. If you can do that, I feel really

690
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: good about their playoff chances now moving forward, I think

691
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: asking for a sweep of these final four is a lot.

692
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Speaker 1: I just do.

693
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Speaker 4: I think that Tampa is a really good offense. Their

694
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Speaker 4: defense is playing better. The Broncos defense is exceptional. Sean

695
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: Payton's a heck of a play caller. And then you

696
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: got to go into New England on January December twenty

697
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: ninth and play in Foxborough, which is so weird place

698
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: to feel witch craft and all that crap that happens

699
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: in the forest on your way there.

700
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Speaker 1: I don't know. And then.

701
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Speaker 4: God forbid man that the playoffs are in the balance

702
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: when they got to go to Vegas on.

703
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Speaker 1: Week eighteen.

704
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Speaker 4: Like that's but so that all being said, right, I

705
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: think three or four, if they can win three or four,

706
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Speaker 4: I think they end up as the five seed. I

707
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Speaker 4: think I think eleven games will put them in the

708
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Speaker 4: five seed. At eleven and seven, I think it's Houston. Yeah,

709
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Speaker 4: I just I feel like I should say it. Yeah,

710
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Speaker 4: if you can win, so that would put them at

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Speaker 4: what eleven, I'm sorry, eleven and six. Yeah, so three

712
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Speaker 4: and four, eleven and six I think puts you in

713
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Speaker 4: in the five because and I think the key with

714
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Speaker 4: the five two is I won't be surprised if the

715
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: six or the seven wins a game, like if it's Baltimore,

716
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Speaker 4: if it's Denver, if one of those two ends up

717
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Speaker 4: knocking off the team where they're traveling to, and then

718
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Speaker 4: they're going to Kansas City, and then you're going to maybe.

719
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Speaker 1: Buffalo or Pittsburgh.

720
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Speaker 4: So because I just look at what's like what we're

721
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: talking about actually missing the playoffs. You know, you've got

722
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: to miss the playoffs. The Chargers would have to go

723
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Speaker 4: two and two and lose a tiebreaker to a team

724
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Speaker 4: that goes four and zero either the Colts, who are

725
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Speaker 4: in Denver this week and after that have the Titans, Giants, Jaguars.

726
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Speaker 4: So that's gonna be huge for the Colts. If they

727
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Speaker 4: win in Denver, they can absolutely win out and go

728
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Speaker 4: ten and seven. But then you're gonna have the Broncos

729
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: in a very similar situation and the Dolphins, who have

730
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Speaker 4: to win out and their schedule is considerably again it's

731
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Speaker 4: at Texans, then they get the forty nine Ers, then

732
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Speaker 4: they go to Cleveland, they go to the Jets. So

733
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Speaker 4: it lays out where you can make a case that

734
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Speaker 4: each of those teams can win out. And that's kind

735
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Speaker 4: of why I say, all right, three or four, get

736
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Speaker 4: to eleven and six and I feel like you're locked.

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Speaker 4: I think ten and seven could maybe get a little

738
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Speaker 4: tricky with some tie breakers.

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Speaker 2: Can we have fun with some hypotheticals, because you just

740
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Speaker 2: mentioned six or seven. If that's the Ravens and Broncos,

741
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 2: they are of winning a playoff game, that would give

742
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: the Chargers a second round playoff game, wouldn't it, because

743
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: because the Chiefs.

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00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Would play if both of them won.

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Speaker 3: Ye see, you would play the sixty.

746
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that would be that would be something.

747
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: But like like, look at the Ravens, right, so they're giants,

748
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: then they get Steelers at home, then to Houston and

749
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: then the Browns, you know, and and then you think

750
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Speaker 4: about the Broncos. Obviously it's easy to dispatch of them

751
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: because you win the head to head, you sweep the

752
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Speaker 4: seasons Colts, and then after us they get the Bengals

753
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Speaker 4: and who knows what's happening with Buffalo and Pittsburgh and

754
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Speaker 4: whether or not the Chiefs are playing guys in Week eighteen.

755
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: Otherwise Chiefs could just lay down, rest their guys, and

756
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: Broncos walk into the playoffs. I don't like look. I

757
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: like being able to just put blinders on, and the

758
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: Chargers can do that. The Chargers can put blinders on,

759
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: they can win out, and I feel like they'll you

760
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 4: know that they can end up with that, they can

761
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Speaker 4: end up with the five seed at worst six.

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Speaker 2: I could say confidently, we're the only two people in

763
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Speaker 2: the bill talking about anything other than the tipa bay bucket.

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Speaker 1: Eel, all right, let's.

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Speaker 2: corner of tar Heeb still joins us ahead of Bucks,

782
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Speaker 2: Chargers and tar Heep. Let's just go back to last Sunday.

783
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Speaker 2: You got your first taste of Chargers Chiefs at Arrowhead.

784
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: What was the atmosphere like for you?

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Speaker 5: I would just say a really good atmosphere.

786
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: It was really loud, a good thing. We ducked the code.

787
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: It wasn't too cold out there.

788
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Speaker 5: That was a good part. But I would just say

789
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Speaker 5: it's a fun environment to play in.

790
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Speaker 4: You're what twelve games in now, so kind of a

791
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: college football season. You know, you have four to go.

792
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 4: A lot of people talk about that that rookie wall

793
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: and level of violence is kind of raised a notch

794
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: or so how you, like, how are you feeling, and

795
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Speaker 4: how's everything going right now for you?

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Speaker 6: I would just say right now, I'm doing good because

797
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 6: early on I really got with the vets and found

798
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: a routine really just something to do week by week,

799
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Speaker 6: staying a routine so the season flows. So the week

800
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Speaker 6: is just working, going to practice, you know, stuff like that,

801
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 6: taking care of my body and then so I can

802
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Speaker 6: perform on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: So I really I found a teen early. I've been

804
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Speaker 5: sticking with it.

805
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Speaker 1: So what is it? Like, what's the is it?

806
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 5: Is it?

807
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: Ice? Is it's dem and ice? Is it? Is it nutrition?

808
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: What do you think is kind of important to trying

810
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 4: to stay Like you said in that flow one.

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Speaker 6: I would just say, knowing when it's time to like, uh,

812
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 6: like obviously you have time where you have to watch

813
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 6: your film, you do your football things, but really just

814
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 6: making sure your mental health is good.

815
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 5: And then when it comes.

816
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 6: To take care of your body. I go to see

817
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 6: a body work lady, her name is Emily, probably twice

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Speaker 6: three times a week. It just depends on how I feel.

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Speaker 6: And then just watching film while I'm either there or

820
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 6: after that, and then like I said, just knowing when

821
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Speaker 6: to take care of your mental when to just get

822
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 6: away from all of that, probably play the game or something.

823
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 6: But that's the routine I've been on in the past,

824
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 6: like ten eleven, twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Vets target in particular. I'd love to

827
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: learn how Derwin has impacted you, because this is a guy,

828
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Speaker 2: you know, we saw come in as a rookie of

829
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and he felt like a VET from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: How has Darwin impacted not only you, but guys like

831
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Speaker 2: Cam and some of the other guys in the secondary.

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Speaker 6: I would just say from day one, he's helped a lot,

833
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 6: really just knowing well, first just just telling not even

834
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 6: me like Cam or young guys that we're here, so

835
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 6: we're good enough, so don't overthink that part. And then

836
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: the next part of it is he really just helping

837
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 6: us really figure out the playbook or really how to

838
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 6: play certain techniques, because like if you watch film, he

839
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 6: does a lot of good things on film, a lot

840
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 6: of stuff that everyone can learn from. So really just

841
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 6: talking ball, talking about life, really just anything. He's a

842
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 6: good resource, a person you could talk to, a person

843
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 6: that wants to help. So I would just say he's been.

844
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Speaker 6: He's done a great job of helping not only me,

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Speaker 6: but Kim and other young guys really just come along

846
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 6: and really feel more confident out there.

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Speaker 5: Great.

848
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 4: When you go back and you watch film, just kind

849
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: of thinking of a couple of players that they're popping

850
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: in to my brain. But I think one specifically is

851
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: you know, it's a cam Hart play, but just breaking

852
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: up that pass on that sideline against DeAndre Hopkins, and

853
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: I think you and obviously the couple interceptions against Atlanta.

854
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: When you go back, like, is it different watching film

855
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: of yourself in the NFL because you're just here and

856
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: you're you're looking at the uniforms and you're looking at

857
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: the names on.

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Speaker 1: The back of the jerseys.

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Speaker 4: Does that I know it's a dumb question, but does

860
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: it kind of set in like, oh, yeah, I'm not

861
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: in a Maryland uniform anymore. I'm not playing Mercer whatever.

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00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's the Falcons and it's the Chiefs.

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Speaker 6: I would just say, because like my first game was

864
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 6: the first time we play Kansas City, so that was

865
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 6: my first time going out there. So you know, like

866
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 6: the beginning of the week, like going into I'm like, okay,

867
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 6: playing Pat Mahomes playing the Chiefs stuff like that. But

868
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 6: then once you really get out there, you're not thinking

869
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: about like the other guys that's on the field. You're

870
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 6: just thinking like, Okay, this is the call. We got

871
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 6: to execute this call. I'm lined up here, I got

872
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 6: to cover this guy do this. So I don't think

873
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 6: in the moment, I'm not really thinking about it. But obviously,

874
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 6: you know, growing up like all the oldest guys that

875
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 6: I used to watch like on TV, watching the NFL

876
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 6: and then playing against them is kind of cool. But

877
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 6: in the moment of the game, I don't really think

878
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: about it. But maybe after I blow.

879
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: I mean, like you watch film, like, oh, that's my

880
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 4: name on the back of that jersey. That's Drake London

881
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: right there.

882
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 6: It's actually kind of I don't know, like it hasn't

883
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 6: it hit me, But it hasn't really hit me yet.

884
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: But uh, I would just say it's like a I

885
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 6: don't know, like a dream. It's like, dang, I'm really

886
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 6: an NFL. I'm really out there. It's just a crazy,

887
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 6: weird feeling, but it's it's not too big for you too.

888
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: And we were just talking Mike Evans, like Mike Evan's

889
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: gonna be a gold jacket and you guys are gonna

890
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: you probably line up up against him on Sunday. The

891
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: fact that you are guarding some guys who are gonna

892
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: be in Canton one day versus you know, listen, I'm

893
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: not discounting any wide receivers in the ACC for sure,

894
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of AC big ten ten, big ten.

895
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: I know, I can't.

896
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: I know.

897
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: Grew I grew up in the Maryland days.

898
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Gary Williams and Want Dixon and ACC dude, yeah,

899
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: big ten.

900
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

901
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: So, but the difference between a college wide receiver versus

902
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: a guy like Mike Evans, Like, how do you approach

903
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: the game?

904
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: You kind of alluded to it.

905
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Hey, you don't make it about the guy, but like

906
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: in hindsight, you have to look back. You'd be like, man,

907
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 2: I just can't believe I go to Mike Evans today, you.

908
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 6: Know, right, I would just say, we do a great

909
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 6: job preparing, so knowing the helmet, so knowing we're gonna

910
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 6: go against him.

911
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 5: He's a very good receiver.

912
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 6: Like you said, he does a lot of things well,

913
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 6: So you just have to know what he does well

914
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 6: and then know what he doesn't do. Well what he

915
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 6: struggles at, so then really just be aware of that.

916
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 6: But I would say it's really the same every week,

917
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 6: like preparation and then the little things that playing dB,

918
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 6: like holding your leverage, having good eyes and stuff like

919
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 6: that can set you up for success. So a lot

920
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 6: of times it's really not who you play, is how

921
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 6: you play it. But also you do have to be

922
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 6: aware of who you're playing because like Mike Evans, taller

923
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 6: guy catch radious, throw the ball out there, you know

924
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, different stuff like that. So I mean,

925
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 6: like you said, all those things you said are true,

926
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 6: but it comes down to like holding leverage, playing good

927
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 6: technique and things like that.

928
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: You how different is it playing outside versus playing in

929
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: the slot? I mean, there one's kind of been playing

930
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: that big nickel seems like almost every game now. But

931
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: in terms of what they had initially maybe thought that

932
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: you were going to do to contribute to what you've

933
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: now been sort of pushed into to some degree, it's

934
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: a lot of technique things that you need to prep for.

935
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: Is it a lot different if you're playing outside versus

936
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: playing in the slot.

937
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 6: It is a lot of different because uh, not every

938
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 6: like some teams they try out, they move their receivers around.

939
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: Sometimes guys just stay on the outside. You got to

940
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 6: go up there and getting a guy's face, press them.

941
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 6: You got to be able to hold your own on

942
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 6: the island. When we go single hide and safetyes in

943
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 6: the middlefield and everybody knows it's man coverage, you got

944
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 6: to win your one on one. The nickel you're kind

945
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 6: of closer to the safety. So it's kind of things

946
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 6: like that. But I would just say it's really just

947
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 6: playing ball. But then the defense we play is so interchangeable.

948
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: Guys do a whole bunch of different stuff, so really

949
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 6: knowing nickel and knowing corners kind of it's just swapping rolls.

950
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 6: So a lot of things we do we just swap roles,

951
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 6: different stuff like that. So, I mean it has been

952
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 6: different playing outside. You have to have big vision to

953
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 6: see what's really going on. But I think the coaches

954
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 6: do a good job of really preparing me to have

955
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 6: me see all the different looks that I would see.

956
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: So, yeah, you have to have confidence as a corner.

957
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 3: I know you certainly had.

958
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: Confidence coming into this, but sometimes you need to see

959
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: it to truly believe it was there a moment during

960
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: the season that you had a game or a play

961
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: or a series of plays where it kind of clicked

962
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 2: and said, you know what, I do belong at this level.

963
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I can think of Cleveland, Atlanta, but I'm

964
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: sure there was a moment where you said, Okay, I'm

965
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: ready for this.

966
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 6: I would just say it even came before a game,

967
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: so like leading up to me being able to get

968
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 6: in there and get plays and snaps in Derwin used

969
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 6: to just say, like, bro, you're good enough, like you

970
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 6: can do it. So like him just saying that and

971
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 6: knowing that he's not, just like even other people will

972
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 6: say that. So like knowing that other people had that

973
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 6: kind of like confidence and faith in me.

974
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: I had to be confident in myself.

975
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 6: I'm already confident, but just knowing that, like the reassurance

976
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 6: of other people saying that and they see it outside

977
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 6: looking in, it just gave me a lot of confidence

978
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 6: moving forward. And then, like you said, like going out

979
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 6: there on the field and making plays that helps your

980
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 6: of and it's a lot. So I can't think of

981
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: one player particular, but I would definitely say after I

982
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 6: caught my first interception, it was like, okay, like I

983
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 6: can really make plays on this level.

984
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: I just I remember that.

985
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: I think it was the tip to Elijah in Cleveland.

986
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean that was a big time play man. I

987
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: mean that that's the one that that kind of stands

988
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: out to me. And obviously this has been count once.

989
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: You were AFC Defensive Player of the Week for goe

990
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: to six, But that Cleveland game in particular, I was like, man,

991
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: just keep the logs.

992
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 6: That play is actually kind of crazy because all all

993
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 6: throughout that week in practice, me and Coach clinked. He

994
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 6: he would tell me like, because my drop wasn't good enough. Really,

995
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 6: I wasn't getting to the spot. I wasn't setting up

996
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 6: fast enough, and he kept getting on me about it,

997
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 6: kept getting on me. He's like, it's going to show

998
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: up in the game, Like there's always something he says

999
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 6: in the film, like this is going to happen in

1000
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 6: the game, and.

1001
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 5: They we're like, okay, yeah, it happened.

1002
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 6: So it was really just being ready for that moment

1003
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 6: and all the reps that had in practice. So then

1004
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 6: when it happened, it was kind of like kind of

1005
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 6: like being out there in the practice field. The ball

1006
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 6: came tipped it, he caught it, it was just crazy.

1007
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: That's awesome.

1008
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about it.

1009
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: There's that you got a bunch you know that, and

1010
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 4: a lot of them aren't interceptions or splash players. I

1011
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: think that breakup that PBu against Jamar Chase on that

1012
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 4: third and seven, and it's what your left sideline? Yeah,

1013
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: just closing quick like I don't even know why I

1014
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: brought that up. It just popped it in my head.

1015
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 4: But you were talking about responsibilities, and it does feel

1016
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 4: like this is a front office, it's a coaching staff

1017
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: that they want you to be interchangeable. They want you

1018
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: to be able to play safety, they want you to

1019
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: be able to play nickel, they want you to be

1020
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: able to play outside, which then when I'm watching games

1021
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: back feels like you're kind of playing all those things.

1022
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: And that then leads me to ask, it's probably like

1023
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 4: a lot of things you got to remember, and there's

1024
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: a lot of communication out there, and there's.

1025
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: Post snap rules.

1026
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: Is that the case? Do they make it simple? How

1027
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: hard is it to kind of get comfortable? Here we

1028
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 4: are in week fifteen, now, you know, do you feel

1029
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: totally settled in how much responsibility is on you guys

1030
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: on that back end?

1031
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 6: I would say Obviously it's a lot of responsibility because

1032
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 6: you have to keep the roof on the defense. But

1033
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: like I said before, like the coaches do a great

1034
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 6: job of explaining how all the coverages really kind of

1035
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 6: work together in a way. So if you just know

1036
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 6: the different techniques and not necessarily trying to study the

1037
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 6: call because there's a million different calls.

1038
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 5: But there's only so many techniques.

1039
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 6: So if you learn and master the techniques, you can

1040
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: play any call because they're all interchangeable. So I think

1041
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 6: the coaches do a great job of really setting us

1042
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 6: up to like, Okay, yeah, on this play, this is

1043
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 6: DJ doing this, but it could be you, so you

1044
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 6: should know this different stuff like that. So I would

1045
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 6: just say the coaches do a great job of preparing us,

1046
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 6: but then also letting us see a position that we

1047
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: might be in even if we didn't necessarily get that

1048
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 6: rep in practice. And then guys, I think guys are

1049
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 6: just comfortable and confident back there, you know now, and

1050
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 6: that we can go out there and make plays. But

1051
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 6: really it's just a great job when the coaches are

1052
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 6: preparing us.

1053
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of that, like the first interception against Atlanta,

1054
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: where you're carrying the guy who's clearing out.

1055
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 6: I don't remember who it was, and I think it

1056
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 6: was actually Mooney was okay, yeah, that's.

1057
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: Right, Mooney was doing the clear out. Then you have

1058
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: the seven coming underneath, and then are you already ready

1059
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: to break off that or do you have an eye

1060
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 4: on Elijah's He's starting to point up there, like, how

1061
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 4: does that first interception come to be?

1062
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: Is that?

1063
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: Because that's kind of what when you say technique, I

1064
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 4: start thinking about and those things are happening inside of

1065
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 4: two and a half seconds.

1066
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it actually started with Christian all the way across

1067
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 6: the field. So he alerted it to Elijah. DJ called

1068
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 6: out the formation. Elijah alerts it to me. It's just

1069
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 6: an alert though not we're gonna overplay it and do this.

1070
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 6: It's just alert to be ready for this. It might happen,

1071
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 6: and that play it did happen, so we're all on

1072
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: the same page. Christian got to communicate to Elijah's boss snaps.

1073
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 6: He talks to him like a second later, Elijah push

1074
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 6: push drop, I dropped rout, come off, make a play.

1075
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 6: So it's really just pre snapped communication. No one was

1076
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 6: about to happen, and then not overplaying it, but then

1077
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 6: just being ready when you see it. And that's what

1078
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 6: happened that play, and it was just a great communication

1079
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 6: starting with Christian from the backside.

1080
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: And it's heard that here you talk about, you know,

1081
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: the coaches and your fellow teammates and the secondary. You

1082
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: can't control where you're drafted, right especially the fifth round.

1083
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: Do you ever think about what a perfect fit this

1084
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: has been for you, Like you could have gone anywhere,

1085
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: but yeah, the fact that you have coach hardball, coach

1086
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: mentor veterans like Derwin and Elijah, and just the opportunity.

1087
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 3: To play and play at a high level.

1088
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 6: So I would just say, like taking you back to

1089
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 6: like draft day, all of that was happening, you know,

1090
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 6: I was just kind of frustrated. I would just say,

1091
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 6: as anybody would, you know, just saying I felt like

1092
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 6: I should have went higher. But ultimately, at the end

1093
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 6: of the day, I did fall in the perfect situation.

1094
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 6: And I don't want to use perfect as like, but

1095
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 6: like I found a great situation to where I have

1096
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 6: great coaches, great veterans.

1097
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 5: I mean obviously the.

1098
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 6: Position that I was able to make an impact on

1099
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 6: the field, being able to go and play. But I

1100
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 6: would just say really, looking back on it.

1101
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 5: It all worked out.

1102
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 6: So it's actually kind of like it's relieving, feels good

1103
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 6: because I could have been any like, anywhere, anywhere.

1104
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 5: Else, but I think I fell to the perfect situation and.

1105
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: The fact that Cam goes the same round.

1106
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah right, How has it been having a guy like

1107
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: Cam doing this with you starting and having the same

1108
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: amount of playing time and you guys kind of feed

1109
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: off each other.

1110
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 6: So they made us roommates and camp so we were

1111
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 6: in the hotel for a long time. So me and

1112
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 6: him used to just talk all the time about different stuff,

1113
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 6: but obviously about football, and back then we were just

1114
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 6: two young rookies just trying to anyway to play. So

1115
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 6: at first he started off playing first, he was playing

1116
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 6: best team stuff like that, and then we used to

1117
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: always just tell each other when we got a chance,

1118
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 6: we just got to make it, make it count.

1119
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 5: And then we both got a chance, and then we

1120
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 5: never really looked back.

1121
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 6: But we know it's a lot that we still have

1122
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 6: to do, and there's still a lot of steps to

1123
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 6: take and keep growing. But it's something we talked about

1124
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 6: early on we first got here. Was whenever we got

1125
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: a chance to go out there, go hard, make an impact,

1126
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 6: and then just whatever's happened is going to happen.

1127
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: So it feels good.

1128
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 6: And then me and Cam are like really close, so.

1129
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 4: I feel like I can we celebrated you enough that

1130
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: we can now just kind of ask this question because

1131
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 4: it was last was last week your first PI penalty

1132
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: I think of the season?

1133
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: I think it was, so I didn't it's something.

1134
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: But I want to ask, like when you see the

1135
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 4: flag come out? Yes, because when you look back on it,

1136
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 4: it's like, eh, I don't know, man, it's crazy, he's fast.

1137
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: He can help kind of lead to those penalties just

1138
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 4: because of that burst in your arms kind of where.

1139
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 4: But it's it's one of those that I thought could

1140
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 4: be a fifty to fifty call, you know, felt like

1141
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 4: you guys were kind of fighting the whole game and

1142
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: then it comes out there. So what's going on with

1143
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: you when you see that flag come That was the

1144
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: first one?

1145
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah?

1146
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 6: So actually all right, So me knowing in the back

1147
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 6: of my mind going into that game, Okay, I don't

1148
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 6: have any dbis, I don't have any hold, they don't.

1149
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 5: Have any none of that.

1150
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 6: So that's not something I would talk about, like say

1151
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 6: out loud to anybody. That's just something that you know, Yeah,

1152
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: it's just in the back of my mind. But I

1153
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 6: didn't really have to do that. I didn't really have

1154
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 6: to put my left arm on him.

1155
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 5: I mean I did.

1156
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 6: I didn't think if you watched the play, he didn't

1157
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 6: really turn or nothing. I didn't impede his process of

1158
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 6: running out. But I mean the official called it. I

1159
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 6: couldn't believe it.

1160
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: But did you go talk to the official? No.

1161
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 6: I didn't really want to say nothing to him. I

1162
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 6: just took it for what it was, you know. Coach

1163
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 6: Klington just told me, don't grab them, you know, play better.

1164
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 6: Really just mirror them, just watch them. But it was

1165
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: the first one. I was actually kind of upset about

1166
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 6: it for like thirty seconds and I just flushed it.

1167
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I let it go.

1168
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 5: But good call by the official. I just got to

1169
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 5: be better with my hands.

1170
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: I just like I said, you're playing a lot, you're

1171
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: playing good receivers. And when I was going through the film,

1172
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, wow, that was his first one.

1173
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: I just would assumed, you know.

1174
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 4: And then because when you look at potent quarterback rating

1175
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: against you got one of the best numbers on the team.

1176
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 4: You got Pbu's like, it's not like they're not throwing

1177
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 4: the ball at you or not targeting your receivers, which

1178
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: you would assume in this league. Look, it's hard to

1179
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 4: be a defensive back man. You know, there's a lot

1180
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: of flags out there. So congratulations on your first one

1181
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: and being able to move past it.

1182
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, I got you.

1183
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: Hopefully that's the last one exactly exactly right.

1184
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: Moving into this last quarter of the season, the big

1185
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: games from here on out, man, And it's a it's

1186
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: an interesting week because he got two home games within

1187
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: the span of.

1188
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: Four or five days.

1189
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking at this Bucks team on film, Baker Mayfield,

1190
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 2: I obviously been doing it for a long time here

1191
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: with a bunch of different teams. What do you see

1192
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: out of this Bucks offense?

1193
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 6: I would say that it's a really good offense. We're

1194
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 6: gonna face Baker Mayfield is a really good player. He's

1195
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 6: able to make all the throws across the field. He's

1196
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 6: able to extend the players in the pocket. Also, great

1197
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 6: pocket awareness. He could also run. He's not scared to

1198
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 6: like put his head down, try to get the first down.

1199
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 6: Things like that. Like you said before, they have Mike

1200
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 6: Evans outside really good receiver. They also have two really

1201
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 6: good running backs.

1202
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 5: They do well getting them the ball in space.

1203
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 6: So we really just got to it comes down to

1204
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 6: our details, knowing what we have to do, but then

1205
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 6: also formation recognition, just trying to be ahead of what's

1206
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 6: going on, making sure we're communicating, talking, straining to get

1207
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 6: to the ball, everybody to the ball, and then tackling.

1208
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: That's that's really a big point. So we know that

1209
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 6: they're a really good team, They're able to do a

1210
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 6: lot of good things well, but really it comes down

1211
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 6: to us just playing our kind of football. Really just

1212
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 6: making sure we're being physical, run to the ball, tackling,

1213
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: hold the leverage outside, things.

1214
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: Like that last thing for you said tackling, that's what

1215
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: it looks like in this game. There's a ton of mistackles,

1216
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: a ton of yards have to contact, specifically with the backs,

1217
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 4: and I think people think corners and they just think receivers.

1218
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: They don't think about you know, if you can't tackle,

1219
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna come at you and they're gonna force you

1220
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: to tackle. So what have you done since you got

1221
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: to the NFL to become a better tackler? You put

1222
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 4: your hands in rice or like, what what do you

1223
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: do to try to get that thing right?

1224
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 6: Really, I would just say the first thing is you

1225
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: have to be willing to So it's really a mindset.

1226
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 6: You have to be willing to go out there, can't

1227
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 6: be scared to get your face there to go out

1228
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 6: there and tackle. But then also I think coach Clink

1229
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 6: does a good job of putting us in different situations

1230
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 6: that Okay, you might have to come down tackle in space,

1231
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 6: you know, know which leverage that you have, and then

1232
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: he really just has to put your chest on them,

1233
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: So don't try to do back your head and not

1234
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 6: know what you're hitting to really just try to stay up,

1235
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 6: put your chest on him, and drive your feet. So

1236
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 6: I think all the defensive coaches do a good job

1237
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 6: of emphasizing that tackling, but really it comes down here.

1238
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 6: First you have to want to and then you have

1239
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 6: to know which leverage known when you have a guy inside,

1240
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 6: knowing how to approach the tackle. And then the biggest

1241
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 6: thing is just don't stop your feet, try to run

1242
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 6: through it before speed because that's when like a lot

1243
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 6: of the cutback stuff happens.

1244
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: So right, Tari, this has been an awesome season so far,

1245
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: so many fun storylines, but you're at the top of

1246
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: the list.

1247
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: Man.

1248
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: It's been an awesome story to see you develop and

1249
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: progress each it every week.

1250
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, man, Thank you.

1251
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys for having me on absolutely all right.

1252
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: Guys, that's gonna do it for us, for Tarheb and money.

1253
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm Chris. This has been charges weekly