WEBVTT - Head w/ James Urbaniak

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up an sv podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I am Lisa Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am Kara Klank And every week we take

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<v Speaker 1>you through an episode of Law and Order SVU as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the true crime that it was based on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we interview a fantastic guest from the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, today's another hot one. Lisa, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>You are not in Los Angeles right now?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing my first road gig since the first weekend

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<v Speaker 2>of March twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really excited. I'm so excited for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday it was a full day of travel, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was just all day, all night travel, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I ate edibles.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in the groove. I took a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>edibles last night. I was like, I'm gonna sleep in.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to do comedy. We're gonna record. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I woke up to noises and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the toilet, singing, that's not none of my business.

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<v Speaker 2>Put my feet on the ground full soaking wet carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>The toilet from like that top thing, just squirting water out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait, stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the engineer came, I go have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>anything like this? He goes, Never. It was truly insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Water everywhere? Thank god, nothing was plugged in and I

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<v Speaker 2>I was responsible and hung up all of my dresses

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<v Speaker 2>and my suitcase was on that little standing they give you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would have been upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, water everywhere, but no one was acting like

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<v Speaker 2>it was crazy. The guy downstairs was like, oh right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, is there a new room? Will you offer

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<v Speaker 2>me breakfast? What is happening that? Everyone was just chill.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the engine Finally I was like, why is

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<v Speaker 2>everyone being so relaxed?

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<v Speaker 3>This is out of control? He goes, this is out

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<v Speaker 3>of yeah. Yeah, wait, so what did they do?

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<v Speaker 2>I got moved down the hall, I o him h

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<v Speaker 2>VAC all morning and then I closed the blinds, put

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<v Speaker 2>on SVU on USA and fell asleep to the sounds

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<v Speaker 2>of tarn manning murder. But yeah, that's it. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here. Oh my, I think I'm gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>finangle breakfast. But because of COVID hotel, things are still weird.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not room service, the bars only open up four.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of weird things. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did get really good late night sushi, which is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty wild in Philadelphia. Okay, in Philadelphia, but today I

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<v Speaker 2>went to a coffee shop. Google if something is closed,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you saying it's open.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Ran to a coffee shop to get some coffee to

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<v Speaker 2>be energized, and it was closed. Had to go to

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<v Speaker 2>wuah wah. I had to get a mint mocha. Halfway

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<v Speaker 2>through it stopped pouring. You have to pay.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I was in, I was about to cry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're like in Philadelphia, what are you doing to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Are I have to record a podcast? And he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll help you, we'll help you. So but yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a really it's really beautiful. My hotel's on

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<v Speaker 2>the water, so I love that. Also, I mean, all

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<v Speaker 2>I really see online now is Brittany. It's all about

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<v Speaker 2>Britney Stey now.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like devouring all the Britney coverage. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 1>to hear her talk for herself after so many years

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<v Speaker 1>of essentially being incarcerated, like in her own home. I

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that she has an iud in, that

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<v Speaker 1>her father will not let her go to the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>to have removed. She wants to have a baby with

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<v Speaker 1>her new boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not even a new boyfriend. They've been together

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<v Speaker 2>for year. Yes, yes, yes, you're right, Yes, my thing

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<v Speaker 2>is you know. She did take a while to speak out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wonder if the Free Britney movement, all the

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<v Speaker 2>support from all her like colleagues and peers, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>helped her come forward. But I really hope this pushes

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<v Speaker 2>the judges to make a better decision. And I went

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<v Speaker 2>to that tour when she's like, I was forced to

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<v Speaker 2>tour and I didn't want to, Like I went to

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<v Speaker 2>that concert.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel terrible. Yeah, like and she was awesome, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Her dad is a bad man, bad and like conservatorship

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<v Speaker 1>laws need to be revamped, Like this is not okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Like conservatorship laws are for like people who are completely

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<v Speaker 1>like non compass ventis, like people that can't you know, speak,

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<v Speaker 1>not perfectly healthy thirty nine year old women who have.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that are being put on lithium.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that's I just I want the best for her,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope this is like the push.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they end up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, if you think she's too sick to

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<v Speaker 1>control all her money and control her family and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>then she's too sick to tour like you cannot.

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<v Speaker 3>She compared it to sex trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she didn't have her passport, she couldn't drive,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't have anything on her, and I just and

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<v Speaker 2>then Justin put out a fucking statement, It's like, have

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<v Speaker 2>you know we know her from anything from you? We

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<v Speaker 2>don't want anything from you, right, like such bullshit. But

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<v Speaker 2>I hope this kind of I mean same with the doc,

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<v Speaker 2>but I hope it informs the way people treat quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote like lunatic women out in public or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we are all kind of guilty of how we

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<v Speaker 2>treated her in Amy Winehouse, and you know now with

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<v Speaker 2>Demi Levado, like we just all have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit smarter and better how we treat who we

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<v Speaker 2>think or who the media has deemed like someone we

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<v Speaker 2>can make fun of. I don't know right right right

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<v Speaker 2>In other court news, we do have court news, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well not full news, but the Cameron hooker early release

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<v Speaker 2>hearing has actually been moved to today, so we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>updates next Week's supposed to be in March, thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who wrote to the parole board, but we'll find

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<v Speaker 2>out today and hopefully he will not be released from person.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to remind people, Cameron Hooker is the psychopath

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<v Speaker 1>who held Colleen stan as his sex slave in a

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<v Speaker 1>box under her bed for seven years.

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<v Speaker 3>Just in case you forgot and other news, other court news.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Bernardo of the Canon Barbie Killers, the Scarborough rapist,

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<v Speaker 1>was denied pearl and he was denied day parol. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you know there's some kind of pearl where you

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<v Speaker 1>can like leave and then come back to jail at night.

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<v Speaker 1>He was denied all parole, so that's good news.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one friend who had to serve a month

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<v Speaker 2>in jail and he had work release, so he would

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<v Speaker 2>like go to work.

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<v Speaker 3>And then come back at night.

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<v Speaker 2>But his family didn't want anyone to know, like his

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<v Speaker 2>extended family, what was going on, so they told all

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<v Speaker 2>the family that he got laysick and that's why his

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<v Speaker 2>mom had to come help him drive him to and

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<v Speaker 2>from work from jail. But now, like any like anytime

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<v Speaker 2>there's a photo, they're like, take off your glasses because

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<v Speaker 2>he has to keep the chiagos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the ruse that he got laysick. I love that,

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<v Speaker 3>but he has glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend went to jail for three days, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was like in Philadelphia actually, and it was for like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty bad dui where she also got found with

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<v Speaker 1>drugs on her and like she was for three days

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<v Speaker 1>on bunk beds in a room right room, no bars,

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<v Speaker 1>a door that was unlocked, she could wear her regular clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what kind of jail was this? Chill jail?

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess she said the worst person she said

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<v Speaker 1>the worst crime really that she was in there with

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<v Speaker 1>her was like a pharmacist who was like writing bad prescription.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it was like low like not non violent, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>non violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Although what do you why is is yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>could hurt me. But back in the day, do you

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<v Speaker 2>guys were seen chiller?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like we didn't have seat belts in

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<v Speaker 2>cars in the sixties and the nineties. Everyone drank and

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<v Speaker 2>drove in There's just too many past and present tenses.

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<v Speaker 3>I figure that one out. Also, your mom came to visit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, my mom came. She was very helpful with Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>She loves Oscar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's very good with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And she met Lisa and she was She was asking

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<v Speaker 1>me after, She's like, so, what else does Lisa do

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<v Speaker 1>besides your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, comedy, baby, She's the comedy dream. I

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<v Speaker 3>likes meeting your mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I like when I was like, are you a editarian too,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was like absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. She was like offended.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, speaking of my mom and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of my childhood. Because I asked her about this, I

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<v Speaker 1>got literally no fewer than four hundred messages from all

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<v Speaker 1>of you guys. I mean probably more between my own

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<v Speaker 1>account and the That's Messed Up account. The Chipmunks movie

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<v Speaker 1>has really resonated with you guys, and I'm so glad.

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<v Speaker 1>I want all of you to know. Some people wrote

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<v Speaker 1>me saying I thought I dreamed this movie. People wrote

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<v Speaker 1>me saying no one I've ever met has seen this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>There are hundreds, if not thousands of people out there

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen it and are obsessed with it, because

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<v Speaker 1>they have all messaged me in the past week, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what can I say, Chipmunk ive like

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<v Speaker 1>we are bonded now forever, and I want you guys

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<v Speaker 1>to send me any updated Chipmunk news whenever you hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, but I was totally feeling left out. It's

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube, though, Let's watch it okay with Rosie? Maybe? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that would be really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people tell me I loved it as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, and I've shown it to my kids and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't care about I think I can get Rosy

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<v Speaker 1>into it. She's into gummy bears and some other old stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, you're not alone. And also people have been

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<v Speaker 1>writing to you, Lisa about the subway tuna because we

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<v Speaker 1>happen to talk about it the week that Subway tuna

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<v Speaker 1>went viral, which is what can I say? We dictate

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<v Speaker 1>the trends here at that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know that I will get the tuna again,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like, we stop sending it to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care what it's made out of. It's good.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't want to eat it anymore. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go to Jimmy John's for the tuna out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love that they did a tuna DNA test

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<v Speaker 1>on the sandwich food.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I talk about the Hills last week two or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah you did? It is it's just more and

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<v Speaker 3>more upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so bad that no one intervened and went, Heidi,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an abusive relationship. How about now? Still to

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<v Speaker 2>this day, he cut everyone that she loves out of

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<v Speaker 2>her life. It is so like awful to watch. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stop. I will watch the whole thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>just upsetting what they let reality tell and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's just it's again watching young women

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<v Speaker 2>ruin their lives and then it's like everyone just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>being like yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For entertainment, yeah, for sure. Definitely upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I had a fun plane story or because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I wish there was something something cool

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<v Speaker 2>to end on. We do live exciting lives.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited, Like I feel like so vicariously.

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<v Speaker 3>Excited for you being on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, she's gonna check into hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>she's gonna get food, then like tomorrow she's gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>the day, and then like she's gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Eat all these other comics. It's like so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I did buy a ticket to go to the Barnes Collection.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna go to the Philadelphia Art Museum. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is a cool crime documentary. It's called The Art

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<v Speaker 2>of the Steal. If anyone wants to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It, it's oh, yeah, I've been meaning too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's Philadelphia basically stole this man's artwork and

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<v Speaker 2>changed his will and it like fucked his wishes after

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<v Speaker 2>he died. But I'm going to go look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I got I gotta see.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh these d koonings, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I only know that because of our friend. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>our friends we didn't talk about Father's Day, our friends

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<v Speaker 2>who were close with instead of like, oh it's a

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<v Speaker 2>family hangout since they always see their kids all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually like mom or dad get their day off.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I did. I got to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>horse track with a daddy. And it was just so

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<v Speaker 2>much fun being at the horse track in California, the mountains,

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<v Speaker 2>the palm trees, all the families out and about, just

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<v Speaker 2>like every It was really a good time. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was shaven ice, I had a hot dog. I won

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<v Speaker 2>one race. I bet on a horse named Ricotta, And

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's like ethical issues, but it was an

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<v Speaker 2>awesome day and I love And then we went to barcade.

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<v Speaker 2>I found Cubert Cubert's my number one game of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully I have a Chipmunk type reaction, but I loved.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that vibe of like, oh, you're always such

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<v Speaker 2>a good dad. Take the day off, peace out, go

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<v Speaker 2>with your friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and the mom of this couple went to a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel for the afternoon together and just laid by a pool.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, take the children away from us. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what we want to do. It's the best. But Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, always bet on Ricotta. Yeah, in every

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of life, always bet on Ricotta.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet on all the ones that had fun names.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet on sure pro Bo No, No, I bet

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<v Speaker 2>on all the SVU themed horses. But it was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that I get to do boys' Night. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did ask him. I go, how many people did

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<v Speaker 2>you ask before you asked me? He goes, five people

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<v Speaker 2>said no, And I go, well, it's okay. I did

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<v Speaker 2>say yes.

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<v Speaker 3>My husband was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get going with today's episode.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's get going.

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<v Speaker 1>We are talking about the episode head season five, episode

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. I gotta admit this episode title makes you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna be about something completely different than what

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<v Speaker 1>it's about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I keep singing getting some head. Get you know

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<v Speaker 2>that song? Or no, was getting some head? You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that song?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, Lisa, you're a little tone dep it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to know the songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh yeah, I think you meant tone deaf like

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<v Speaker 2>it was an offensive song.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, it's just a song about head.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you told me that you're tone deaf sas when

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<v Speaker 1>you sing a lyric. I don't really, I can't place it.

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<v Speaker 3>Get in some head? No, Okay, I love this, Let's

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<v Speaker 3>release this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our new theme song. Is just Lisa saying

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<v Speaker 1>getting some head, over and over.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode from two thousand and four, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>my like all time remember this one. It's always stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in my head as as a great episode.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was in high school. I was a senior

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<v Speaker 3>in high school. Crazy. Oh yeah, I was out of college.

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<v Speaker 1>So we open on a sassy professional woman with no

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<v Speaker 1>time for bullshit who walks into a coffee house, orders

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<v Speaker 1>her coffee and then is like bathroom this way and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like just having like a full Devilwares produ moment

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone, and she drops her phone in the toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when she like lifts up the seat to

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<v Speaker 1>get her cell phone, her like flip phone out of

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet. She realizes that there's a tiny toilet cam

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<v Speaker 1>in the toilet.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so now we.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut to Elliott and Olivia inspecting the equipment with Ruben

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<v Speaker 1>Morales from TARRU, which a lot of people have been

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<v Speaker 1>writing to us saying they have always thought Tarru was

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<v Speaker 1>a person and that is not what it's like technical

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<v Speaker 1>Assistance Response Unit or something like that. It's like whenever

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<v Speaker 1>they have to go through a phone, it's Tarru and

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<v Speaker 1>stablers like peeping toms have gone high tech on us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like high tech people are always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>pervy too. They're finding they're the new frontiers for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like that's perverted. So maybe I shouldn't say perverted.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like why not?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, you know what I mean, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>just feel like, yeah, they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Alally the charge of technology, yes, and they were in everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but also I love my iPhone, so I don't know, Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is a movie or real

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<v Speaker 2>life or a shit. I don't know anymore what is

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<v Speaker 2>real or not. But someone was listening to porn on

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<v Speaker 2>their phone and it was connected to the Bluetooth speaker,

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<v Speaker 2>and so everyone was hearing the porn.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably definitely happened in real life, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Okay, So they are at this coffee

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<v Speaker 1>house where they found the camera, and they're just looking

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<v Speaker 1>around at like, you know, dozens and dozens of people

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<v Speaker 1>on their laptops, and Benson's like, which one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is the pervert? And Stabler's like the guy who downloaded

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<v Speaker 1>the most crap, and I'm like, lol, I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a double entendre about the toilet cam. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So now we're in the top of act one. They've

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<v Speaker 1>checked everyone in the coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's none of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Munch is in the you know, giving his little quips

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<v Speaker 1>where he goes gives a whole new meeting to live

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<v Speaker 1>streaming video whoa Huang says they're looking for a europhiliac,

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<v Speaker 1>which is sexual attraction to urine, or a copperphiliac, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a sexual attraction too, and then Benson cuts him

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<v Speaker 1>off before he can say it, but we know he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about poop.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Oh, I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna be something else when I didn't really catch on, huh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you think just filming pe like not p

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<v Speaker 2>but like secret filming, that was going to be Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, there's a voyeuristic nature. But europhiliac is sexual attraction, you'reine.

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<v Speaker 1>Coprophilia is sexual attraction to faces.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are not heavily studied paraphilias, he says, but

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<v Speaker 1>they often are the result of like a hostile home

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<v Speaker 1>life or abuse, where like a child can like turn

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<v Speaker 1>inwards on themselves and become obsessed with their own bodily functions.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I never really knew that was like those two things

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<v Speaker 1>were linked together.

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<v Speaker 3>They said, the guy is probably not dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who's planting these cameras, his crime is voyeuristic,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's antisocial and he doesn't want any contact with

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<v Speaker 1>the victims, Like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think he's trying to hurt anybody. He just wants

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<v Speaker 3>to watch them.

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<v Speaker 1>P and Piece, Finn and Munch go get info at

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<v Speaker 1>a spy store to track down the equipment.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think I've told you about this, Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get into like too much detail

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<v Speaker 1>about it because I don't want to get my friend

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've told you about my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you know, you've met before, who has gone into

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<v Speaker 1>a spy store and used spy equipment to spy on

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<v Speaker 1>something before, Like, what.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they spying on? Well, she was trying to take

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<v Speaker 3>a test. Yeah, yeah, I can't I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was trying to take a test, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was spying, like using spyware, not to cheat on the

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<v Speaker 1>test herself, but to get information for other people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of confusing, but I'm almost positive she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>this spy store because I think this is a spy

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<v Speaker 1>store in New York, in like the West Village or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So they go there.

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<v Speaker 1>They meet Charlie, who is played by my comedy obsession

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Sedaris.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you Amy Sidaris fan? I love her so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a huge Amie Sidaris fan.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also best friends with Sarah Jessica Park Her any

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<v Speaker 2>friend of s JP is a friend of mine. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I went to the premiere of At Home with

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<v Speaker 2>Amy Sedaris and me and my friend were the first

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<v Speaker 2>ones at the party and we were the last to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't get enough. It was like my first kind

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<v Speaker 2>of big party like that. As JP was there and

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up going home with the pie because I

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<v Speaker 2>was the last man standing.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, get this pie out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>And the pie with the crust said at home with

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<v Speaker 2>Amy Sedaris on.

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<v Speaker 1>The pie Wow and I ultimate swag beaked good and

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<v Speaker 1>so I obviously love her.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also was in Horace and Peep.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you didn't think I was going to go

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<v Speaker 2>on a monologue, but I was in Horace and Pete

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<v Speaker 2>with her, and she kind of not scolded me. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was friendly with one of the PA's and we'd

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<v Speaker 2>work together on a different show too, and so I went, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>you got sunburn?

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<v Speaker 3>What did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>And she went, that is so rude, And so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like scolded by her a little.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, that is a scolding for someone to

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<v Speaker 1>just say that is so rude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she scolded me. Not really, no, she.

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<v Speaker 2>But we knew each other and he was sunburnt. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're looking tan, I'm saying, what'd you do?

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<v Speaker 1>I step down from you went to the premiere party

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<v Speaker 1>of one of her books, one of her like crafting

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<v Speaker 1>books that spawned her television show. And it was really

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<v Speaker 1>really tiny at like the Bonne up a Tite, like

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<v Speaker 1>some bonn upetite place in the New York Times building,

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<v Speaker 1>so super super tiny, and Sarah Jessica Parker Matthew Roderick

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<v Speaker 1>were there, and I did back up into Sarah Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>Parker and then say, oh, excuse.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, and we had like a little moment like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I made Amy Sidaris sign my book Greek surch

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<v Speaker 1>just Jews without Money, which is a quote from Strangers

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<v Speaker 1>with Candy, which is one of my all time favorite

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<v Speaker 1>shows and not something that I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Please don't come for me Greek or Jewish people. That's

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<v Speaker 3>funny though, that's a good bit. That's so mad.

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<v Speaker 2>But watching her work on Horse and p I will say,

0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.359
<v Speaker 2>she's an improv obviously legend, but like every take was different.

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<v Speaker 2>She was making everyone laugh, like no one could keep

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<v Speaker 2>it together. And so I'm wondering watching the scene did

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<v Speaker 2>she improvise?

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<v Speaker 3>Was this written?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they let Amy be Amy? Is this too long ago?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what it was? But she is perfect, I

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.200
<v Speaker 2>guess what we're saying is we're perfect. We're obsessed with her,

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<v Speaker 2>not we're perfect. She's perfect and were her.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Amy Sedaris plays Charlie, who is this like spycam whiz.

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<v Speaker 1>She works in the back of the spycam shop and

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<v Speaker 1>she does all the custom jobs, so she like knows

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, I make five hundred custom spycams a year

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, like she makes so many. And she leads

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<v Speaker 1>them to this porn production company called Fetish Manner, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are definitely using the cameras in a non spying way,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody knows that they're being filmed at this place.

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<v Speaker 1>They use these waterproof spy cams for like the shower,

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<v Speaker 1>the toilets. This is basically a livestream porn where apparently

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<v Speaker 1>viewers get to weigh in on what they want, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if that exists today, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think is very progressive for porn in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>four for them to just be like like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like you control the porn stars porn.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you have you heard of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think it's just like OnlyFans are like if

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you're live streaming, and then the or like camming and

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 2>then people are typing like do this or I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see this, and then you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Like tip money.

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.280
<v Speaker 2>But also I remember watching Real Sex when I was

0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a kid, and there was like a house of young

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:25.359
<v Speaker 2>women with cameras everywhere and they like lived their lives.

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.679
<v Speaker 3>And people could pay like just to like put like

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<v Speaker 3>pop in and look at it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I thought it was like pretty I thought

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty progressive for two thousand and four, and

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 1>like like the way, you know, that's kind of thing

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I think people would be into now, like with camming exactly.

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And we get a glimpse of Coco Tea herself in

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.040
<v Speaker 1>her first role on S for You. She's been in

0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:47.879
<v Speaker 1>a three or four episodes, but this is her first

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.280
<v Speaker 1>role where she's listed as porn queen and she comes like,

0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, skittering down the sidewalk with like her huge

0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>boobs and it's just like.

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 3>We're coming, We're coming, and like she has like a.

0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Cute little line. So that was a fun, fun little

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<v Speaker 1>the intro to Coco in the SVU universe. Then Munch,

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they're back at the station, a monch is like can

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you believe Fetish Manor has over three hundred thousand hits.

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yes, of course I can believe that Munch

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>like people like to watch porn. Like this is not incredible,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. The next part is a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit too much of a stretch for me.

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 1>For SVU, this random man walks into the precinct and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I may have run into the spy cam pervert.

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 1>So this assumes that, like, this case is so big

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone's read about it. This man remembers that when

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>he was getting out of a cab, a man was

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<v Speaker 1>rushing out of the coffee shop holding a coffee cup

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 1>from the coffee place knocked it all over him. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is how they're finding the guy. They track this

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.120
<v Speaker 1>man's receipts on the cab, so they find a cab.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they track who his next customer was, and it

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<v Speaker 1>leads to the NOL apartments. Okay, here at the NOL apartments,

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia and Menson show up, or no, it's Olivia and Munch,

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<v Speaker 1>and we meet the most ridiculous character I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 1>this annoyed sunbather.

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Did you clock this guy?

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 1>There's just this like hot guy who's sunbathing on the

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 1>stoop of his New York apartment, which I have to say,

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a single fucking person ever do like

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<v Speaker 1>on the front stoop of your New York apartment, go

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>and sit up on the tarmac, get up through the

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:18.480
<v Speaker 1>fire escape, and like get up on the roof.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing here? He's like he's so annoyed.

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 1>He goes ough, like barely opens his eyes and he's like,

0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and I honestly I looked to find this guy on

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.200
<v Speaker 1>IMDb because I was like, I pray this man is

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 1>quid acting because he's so bad. But his character is

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 1>like not even listed in the IMDb. If you find it,

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.120
<v Speaker 1>let me know. But I read through the IMDb and

0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the fan wiki and like could not find like annoyed

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>sunbather or like neighbor man or anything listed. He has

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 1>information to give them, but he is simultaneously so bothered

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.200
<v Speaker 1>by their presence, like he's such a weirdo. He just

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>like he's like, oh yeah, I've seen the guy around

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>my building. He creeps me out, Like I'm like, you

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>creep me out? Go to sheep's meadow? Why are you

0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 1>sunbathing on the stoop?

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes he just got a pleeeze in a tan when

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:01.439
<v Speaker 3>you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it, I guess he was. Really he was a

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 1>very la character.

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<v Speaker 3>In a New York show. I was like, you don't

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 3>belong here, and so he basically tells them, oh, it's

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 3>like the first door on the left. Oh, get out

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 3>of my son, Benson.

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 1>And then they get to the apartment and who opens

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the door of the apartment but Charlie aka Amy Sedaris.

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>So she they're like, all right, the jig is up, Charlie,

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? And she's like, it's my baby brother, Wade,

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Wade Donado. He's having trouble. He had trouble holding down

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 1>a job, so he came to couch surf and he

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>ended up staying for two years.

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 3>That's gotta suck.

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>She admits that she made the cam for him, but

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 1>she says he's not a pervert, he's just troubled. And

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 1>she says we didn't have a pleasant childhood, so that

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of backs up what Hong said before. And they're like,

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, your brother is sick, Like, let us stop

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>him so like we can get him the counseling he needs.

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 3>So she dumps this huge box of like p centric.

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Porn and homemade DVDs onto the ground and then at

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>just At that moment.

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Wade walks in.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pissed, pun superintended that people are his privacy and

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>he is played by the very very funny James Orbaniac.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny to see these two comedy people just

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>playing this brother sister troubled duo. In interrogation, Wade does

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>not want to talk about it. He's like, this is

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.119
<v Speaker 1>my private thing that I do, like, don't talk to

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.679
<v Speaker 1>me about it. And then Stabler walks in with his

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>p journal where he has documented all of his PCAM footage,

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 1>like whether what kind of specimens people have passed? The

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>color of the urine, like he talks about, you know

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 1>what the butts look like.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 3>It's I mean, it's I'm being a third grader.

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>It's an invasion of privacy and it's definitely a crime,

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>but it is kind of funny.

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm curious to know what his favorite type of p is.

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Right, are you loving? Like a light It's like me

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>with Rose. I like a light, light, pink rose. I

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>don't really like a darker rose. But some people that's

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>their thing, you know, yeah, but they're sick in the head.

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 1>You want a light rose, I.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, I want it to be light blush page. If

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.440
<v Speaker 3>you want a dark one, just drink a sand area,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.239
<v Speaker 3>go get juice. You know I'll also do that.

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>So he thinks he weirdly thinks he's done nothing wrong

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>because the videos are for private use, and he's like,

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>just like give me, let me pay the fine so

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I can bounce. And it's like, Okay, you've got to

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>know you're doing something wrong. You ran out of the

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>coffee house and knocked a man over to get out

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of there. And I think they mentioned Stephanie's Law, which

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they said was passed in August.

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Now I look this up.

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie's Law is moved unlawful surveillance to a Class E felony,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>punishable by up to four years imprisonment for first time

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>offenders and up to seven years for repeat offenders. And

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it was named after a Long Island woman named Stephanie Fuller,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>whose landlord Liza, I know this is creepy, this is

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>triggering for you because you did have somebody come and

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>peep in your window. Her landlord had secretly videotaped her

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 1>bedroom in her rented apartment, and so she got this

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>law passed and like it sort of just like updated

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>all the state and local.

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Peeping Tom in New York. So I'm glad that happened.

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 3>That reminds you of Aaron Andrews.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember like people were spying on her through

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.479
<v Speaker 2>the hotel, the ESPN woman. Oh no, I wonder if

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.440
<v Speaker 2>there's an SVU based on her. That was like such

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a big case. I think she won a lot of money.

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.360
<v Speaker 3>WHOA.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 1>There definitely is a sportscaster or SVU where something happens,

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's more of an assault thing. And

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>there's like, aren't there rules like you can tape someone

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>as long as there's they're not talking, as long as

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no volume or something, which I think seems fucked up.

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about that. Oh, I don't know. We

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 3>have to look that up.

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So now like basically they're getting Wade shook, Like he's

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>realizing now that he has as actually stands to serve

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>some jail time here.

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 3>So he spooked.

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 1>He wants to make a deal, and he basically is like,

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.919
<v Speaker 1>I've got something you can work with. Go to like

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>our twelve minute fifty two on this tape and check

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>out what check out what there is, Like he in

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>his mind knows exactly the timecode of this place, which

0:27:58.640 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I think speaks to his but.

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>You know this is upsetting.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they go and they check out the camera

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and they see footage of a young boy coming into

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom stall crying, possibly having been attacked.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 3>He's got to cut over his eye.

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And then you see an adult from just like the

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of like mid section down come in and assaults

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>him on camera before the camera goes out. So you

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>can't actually tell who You can't see the face of

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the person who it is or anything. But it's pretty

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>upsetting because it's just like you're just watching kind of

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like two bodies like well.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I also don't I mean, I understand he didn't want

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to get caught, but if he sent it secret, I

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>mean to sit on this and not do anything about it,

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>like go to jail.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I fucking hate him.

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I know, that's it's pretty bad. You got to see something.

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>If you see something on your PCAM, say something.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Come on.

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>So now we're in a holding cell, and Stabler feels

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the way you feel. Okay, So because we're in a

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>holding cell now, and Stabler grabs Wade and starts, like

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, doing his man handling tough guy act and

0:28:57.440 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>He's really mad that he saw that this guy saw

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>this gown and did nothing.

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 3>And you know, Wade's like, what was I supposed to do?

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Tell you that I captured it all on my p

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>KM or whatever, like he's like, you know, and then

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Wade gives it up that it was recorded in Central

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Park and that he was too far away to like

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>identify anyone or see the purp. So now they're at

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>TRU and Morales is using some kind of equipment that

0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>they've borrowed from NASA to clean up images. I've heard

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that this is kind of a bullshit thing that procedurals

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>do where they go enhance enhance and they can clean

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>up photos, like like I've like Adam Ruins Everything as

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a show that my friend used to host that they

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>talked about it where they were like, a picture is

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>a picture. You can't just like change what the pixels are,

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like, but maybe NASA has some tricks we

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know about.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Either way, they're able to like.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Fully clean up this photo and get like a very

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>very clear picture of this guy's face. They're able to

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 1>distinguish the fact that the purp takes up cup out

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of his pants like an Athletic Cup and they see

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that the cup is being held by manicured So the

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>purp is a woman or a drag queen, I mean,

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, I guess they're kind of ruling it

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>out it's a woman. So they figure out the location,

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the game, schedule, the team color, and they narrow it

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>down that this kid plays for the Bulldogs. Because I'm sorry,

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I forgot to mention that when the kid

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>comes into the bathroom, he's wearing a soccer uniform.

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 3>So that's how they narrow it down that he plays

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>for the Bulldogs.

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>They check their schedule and they go to the game

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and they identify this boy on the tape as Shane Madden,

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>who they're talking to the coach and he's like, he's

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>our star forward. They said Shane got kicked out of

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the game that day for fighting and that his mom

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>was there and she was wasted. Okay, so now we're

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 1>at Shane's school where the principal. We meet the principal

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>named Meredith Rice, and she points out Shane when he's

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>at band practice. She says she doesn't have much interaction

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>with him because he's such a good student, so, like,

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, she only sees the troublemakers.

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>They asked Shane what happened.

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>He kind of denies it at first, and then he

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>says it was a stranger, that a stranger just came

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>in and attacked him, and then when the kind of

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>press them a little bit more, he's like, you guys

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>suck and leaves, so he's mad. The principle kind of

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>reiterates the claim that the mom is a drunk, that

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 1>she came to career day wasted, which I kind of love.

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I kind of love a beautician who comes

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to career day a little bit sauce. I think that's fun,

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe not for the kid, but just in general for

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>me as a TV watcher. And she works at a

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>place called Creme de la Crop, and I was Liza,

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering, how you, having worked at a salon formerly,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about the name Creme de la crop.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>I hate it because crop sounds a lot like crap,

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>like crop, I think of maybe even corn. Like I've

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>never thought haircut equals crop, so I think it's a

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>bad day.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>It is an old way to say, like, oh, she

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>had short, closely cropped hair or something like that.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 3>It is an old school way, but like I hear

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 3>what you're saying.

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Creme de la Crem would be a

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 2>fine name, Like you didn't even need.

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 3>A pun or fuck it, just call it Crem. Yeah.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I got my hair done at Crem. Yeah, less money

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 3>on the signage. Yeah, look we are we should literally

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 3>be on shark Tank. Okay.

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>They go to the salon. The mom is like really

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>not that concerned. She's just like, my son is so hot,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Like she's really obsessed with how attractive her son is,

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>and like, no, wonder people are going out for him.

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>He's hot.

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But then they're like, no, he was assaulted by a

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>woman in the bathroom, and she's like what. Like then

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>she kind of snaps out of it, and they ask

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the mother were there any non moms at the game,

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and she says Cindy Bellamy, Shane's old babysitter. So this

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>is like a weird side note. They go talk to Cindy.

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>She was like, I was at the game babysitting other kids.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm a strict babysitter, but the kids have fun and

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>twelve fifteen hours nothing to sneeze at. And I'm like,

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>yes it is girl, sneeze at twelve fifteen hour. I

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was making twenty dollars an hour in the mid two thousands.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Babysitting in New York. You got to move on up.

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>That's just because it's like New York. Everything's more expensive.

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Didn't you get paid more in New York than twelve

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>fifteen hour?

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>So I works with an agency.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>So I made less than what you I think you

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>would have made being a loose independent contractor of a babysitter.

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 3>But I enjoyed the job. I think I only made

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 3>like fifteen sixteen to be honest, still better than twelve fifty.

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I weirdly got so many of my babysitting jobs off Craigslist.

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I would put myself on Craigslist and be like, I'm

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>an experienced babysitter, I'm a camp counselor all this stuff,

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and people would just contact me and I would like

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>babysit for their families for years off of Craigslist.

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>By the way, did I tell you my nephew is

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>a camp counselor this year?

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 3>You did? And okay, get me.

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>It fills my heart with joy. Now my question is

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>is his girlfriend going to or are they gonna write

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>letters from camp?

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I haven't you know what. That's a good, good question.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>He's also going to college. I bet he's gonna have

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a few more girlfriends.

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I hope she doesn't listen. I hope she doesn't listen.

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Lisa is not giving a good prognosis for this teen romance,

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>so she looks great.

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I forgot that he did tell me people from his

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>school do listen. But maybe they'll work it out. I

0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>don't care.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 3>I just I should not scale there beans. I bet

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't even know. I know that he has a girlfriend.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I was just stalking on Instagram and digging through everything. Well,

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he had a necklace with a half heart lego. That's

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend. No, No, just friends walking around with a

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>half heart lego.

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, for sure. He's like, yeah, this is for

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 3>me and my best guy friend. We just like love

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 3>legos and we love friendship.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>So basically, Cindy's like a silly little red herring Like

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>she's basically like, I would never touch a kid.

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm dating one of my professors. I like older men.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>And she basically steers suspicion back towards the mom. She's like,

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 1>the mom is so drunk. I used to maybe sit

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>for him, and he would. She would come home so

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 1>wasted with a younger guy than she left with. She's

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>into young guys, Like, so this is the this is

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 1>like where they're trying to steer you. Craigan is incredulous.

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I woke up with plenty of regrettable bedmates

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in my drinking days, and I just like love the

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 1>idea of Craigan waking up hungover and being.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Like fuck not Deborah, Oh God, like you know.

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, go check out the mom again, like

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>at the game, but I mean, Kraigan's kind of like,

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like there's one thing is being a

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 1>drunk and the other thing is like being a pedophile

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and an ancestral pedophile to your own child. So they

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>go to a Bulldog's game and they find out that

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the sweatshirt that the Purp is wearing in the video,

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like this light blue sweatshirt. They it's actually a

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Booster Club sweatshirt, and every mom at the game has one.

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Like there's like twenty women at this game that have

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the same sweatsh.

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 3>I love that.

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I love being like we got the evidence and it's like, uh,

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 2>we all have Yeah, I.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Like that we sold these as merch basically, and there

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>are dozens and dozens of these sweatshirts out there. And

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the drunk mom Missus Madden, also has one. She's wearing one.

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>She's trying. She's drinking a Roadie like out of a

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>plastic cup. Olivia's like, ma'am, have you been drinking? Can

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:51.399
<v Speaker 1>I check what's in your cup?

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 3>And she's like oops and just spills all the booze

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>out onto the ground. I mean, I kind of love her.

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 3>She's really fun.

0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Not to be a mom, not to be a mom,

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>just to observe as a television character. Stabler notices that

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the principal, Meredith Rice, is over like in a far

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>field talking to Shane. But this isn't a school team,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>so like, what would she be doing there? And we

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>see Shane and the principal hug and then the principal

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.720
<v Speaker 1>leaves with another young boy, so Benson and Stabler follow

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 1>her and they're like, hi, Principal Rice, what's going on?

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, oh, this is my step son. She's

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 1>acting super sketchy, like she's acting like she can't wait

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to get the hell away from them.

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 3>They're kind of like why are you here? And she

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, my son's.

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>In an older league and so he plays, you know,

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in a field next door or whatever.

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, they're.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Like, why were you talking to Shane And she's like,

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm guy, gotta go. We're late for a pizza party. Also,

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I know this is I mean, now I want pizza.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>But off topic, I wonder if these children know how

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 2>lucky they are to be playing innermural sports at fucking

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>a central park. I know, like the kids who's school

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 2>or cams and sports are in Central fucking Park.

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know if New York kids understand. No,

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 3>they probably do.

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I got to play like softball ones in Central Park

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 1>with like my Page program league, and I was like,

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 1>this is so cool that I'm playing a game in

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 1>Central Park right now, Like on the baseball you knew

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 1>I recognized. I don't know about these kids, but I'm

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>just think it's funny that she's like, officers were late

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 1>for a pizza party. So if you guys like definitely

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>want the cops to know that you're guilty, just tell

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>them you're late to a pizza party because you couldn't

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>think of a better excuse.

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could be late to a pizza party. No

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 3>one cares. Nobody cares. The cheese is gonna be all

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 3>cold and hard when we get there. We gotta go.

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And she keeps walking with her son like he's an

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>elderly widow. She keeps like putting shawls around him and

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like ushering him away. It's just very very strange and funny.

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And so then now they're looking into the principle. The

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 1>principal's got a stellar record, she's been married for seven years,

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>she's got one step son. Finn and Munch chased down

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>some footage of the game from two weeks ago, and

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>there's no sign of the principle in the footage. But

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>there is a full like still photo of Shane's mom

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 1>falling into the mud when she tried to get involved

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>in a fight, and she's not wearing her sweatshirt at

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>that time, so that rules her out, like she wasn't

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 1>wearing her sweatshirt that day. Finn goes to talk to

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the step son and he's like, I love her. I

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>love my stepmom, Like you never hear this narrative, I

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>love my stepmom. And then meanwhile Stabler goes to talk

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>to Shane and gives him a business card and the

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>number for al Teine, which is like alan On, like

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>support groups for relatives of alcoholics. So he brings up

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the principal and Shane makes a face and then tries

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to leave, and so you're getting these sort of intercut

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>interviews and then like back to the step son. They

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>asked the step son, like, has anything been weird lately

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>with your stepmom and your dad? And he's like, oh,

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.400
<v Speaker 1>they have been fighting lately, and they never fought before.

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 1>And she said and he says, she even yelled at me,

0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>which I guess she's.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Never really done.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>So they ask a bunch of teachers what's going on,

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and they I'll say, oh, she's pulled Shane from class

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a bunch recently. And once Shane had a note that

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>looked like it was written by a kid, but missus,

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>but Principal Rice confirmed it was her handwriting.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 3>So they're looking at all.

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Olivia is like going through this stack of like student

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>reports that the principal files and notices that like, progressively

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>throughout the time, Meredith's signature is getting like sloppier and sloppier.

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>So that's just like a little hint for what we

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>find out in the future. At Principal Rice's house, Stabler

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>reveals that Meredith and Shane have now both gone missing. Okay,

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>he tells, uh, the husband, we think your wife has

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 1>been molesting this boy, Shane. And when he asks, do

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.919
<v Speaker 1>you have any suspicions about her behavior with your son,

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the guy takes a swing at Stabler.

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Not a great move.

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>If you swing at Stabler, you better be sure you

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>don't miss, because he's going to put you in a headlock.

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's what he does.

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>And he does admit something's changed in my wife. She

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been herself. She's been preoccupied. She snaps at little things,

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and she's a tiger in the bedroom, just cannot get

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>enough sex. So basically, their car is missing from their garage.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>She's taken the car and Shane and they get a

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 1>call that they're on a highway in New Jersey.

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Someone spotted the car with the license te number.

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Like twelve cop cars and a helicopter show up. This

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.919
<v Speaker 1>is how important it is to rescue this boy. It's

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a full operation. It reminds me of like the final

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>scene of The Undoing, if you've seen that. And when

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 1>they get they get open the car door, they grab

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Shane and Meredith is like in the backseat of the

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>car throwing up, so they arrest her.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 3>So this is like very weird, like what's going on?

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Are you drunk?

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Why are you barfing? Like it's you know, there's a

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>lot happening here. So when they are in interrogation, Benson

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>is taking a run at this woman okay, at Principal Rice,

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, my head is splitting, and she says

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.399
<v Speaker 1>she knows what she's been doing is wrong. She says

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>that the soccer game two weeks ago was the first time,

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>and she fed him into the bathroom because he was

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>crying and she wanted to check on him. And the

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 1>next thing she knew, they were having sex. So I

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.240
<v Speaker 1>don't know she's blacking out or what, but she's obviously

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>that's from what you see on the video.

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like there was a romancing. It was just

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 3>started happening. She says.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>The first time he resisted, but after that he couldn't

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>get enough. So they're like, okay, do you always take

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>orders from sixth graders? And she's basically like when and

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>when you say sixth grade, like the kid looks a

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit older. To me, but like when you say

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>sixth grade, I'm like, Dan, that is so freaking young,

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Like that's really really awful.

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 3>So she's spiraling out. She's like, my life is a

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 3>nightmare and I don't know why.

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>And then suddenly she lunges at Stabler and starts making

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 1>out with him. He slams her against a wall and

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>she starts having a seizure. I mean he slams her

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>against the wall in a way of like get off

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:48.959
<v Speaker 1>of me, lady.

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 3>And then she starts having a seizure.

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Now that's considered I guess, sort of an attack on

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a suspect.

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 3>So Ed Tucker shows up.

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's hated IAB guy at this point in the series.

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Everybody hates him obviously.

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Later people warm up to him, and Elliot's like, I'm

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>waiting for my rep and he brings up He brings

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:11.399
<v Speaker 1>up Stabler's interview from Slaves actually where he talks about

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 1>dreaming about killing pedophiles. So it's like, you're a person

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>we know likes to rough people up. You know, You're like,

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>we've got a little red flag on you. Over at

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 1>IAB Stabler. The doc comes out and says they found

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>something on her CT scan. They're rushing her to surgery now,

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and then it turns out she has a brain tumor

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 1>the size of a base ball. So now Novak is

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>talking to her surgeon, who is doctor Anne Marilla played

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>by Julie white Is. This character has been in five

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.280
<v Speaker 1>SVU episodes and is a recurring brain surgeon.

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 3>It seems she's a proestional. Yeah.

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 2>She was stretching in a way where I'm like, yeah,

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 2>you did just get out of a lung surgery.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because she was like, it took us eight hours,

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but it looks like we got it all. And I'm

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>glad you noticed her stretching. Well, it was so good,

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it was really.

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Novak is like itching for an arraignment.

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I need to arrange this woman quickly, and

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the doctor's like, well, she's not going anywhere for five

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 1>or six days, and Novak's like, no problem, We'll get

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>a judge and a clerk down here for a pedside arraignment.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 3>And the doctor's kind of like hold up.

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Novak, like, you know that the damage to the frontal

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>lobe can diminish impulse control, and she still she knows

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>it's wrong, but the tumor is affecting the area of

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the brain that controls behavior. So there's like a difference

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:33.760
<v Speaker 1>between action and thought in this situation. And the doc says,

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's possible that she might not be a

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.479
<v Speaker 1>pedophile anymore post surgery, this might not be like an.

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Issue for her.

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Novak is chatting with Wang, this is what are I

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna do? Write a note that says, please excuse Meredith

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>for molesting boys.

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:46.280
<v Speaker 3>She had a bad.

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:50.919
<v Speaker 1>Tumor good one, Novak and Huang says, it's a really

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 1>good case for acquired sociopathy. Meanwhile, three other victims have

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.320
<v Speaker 1>come forward at this school. One said that Meredith hugged

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and kissed him, and the other two said they were fondled.

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 3>So she's been doing this a bunch lately, and it's.

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:05.879
<v Speaker 1>All happened like lately, because she says that this game

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago was the first time that she even

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>did anything with Shane. Huang argues that she lacked the

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>mens rehea to be accountable for her actions, But did

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 1>she act on those tendencies before the tumor or are

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the tendencies still there?

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows.

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>She wants to do anything to clear her name, so

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>she submits to doing brain mapping, which is like an

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 1>experiment where they're going to like put VR goggles on her,

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>so they're going to show her sexual images of children

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and see what it does to her brain, like if

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>her brain responds. She claims like she's fine now, I

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>would never do anything like this. I know the damage

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>it can cause, and admits that she was molested starting

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:45.240
<v Speaker 1>at age eight.

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 3>For four years by her grandfather.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>So after the scan the brain mapping, she shows no

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>signs of arousal at these images. She's basically no longer

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>a threat to society. And Novak says it has to

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>pass the Dobert test to be admissible. So just FYI,

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the Dobert standard is a rule of evidence regarding the

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>admissibility of expert witness testimony. You may have heard it

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 1>referred to as the Fried standard. That's what I remember

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 1>learning when I was growing up, and that is the

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>law in certain states, California being one of them. But

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the Dobert standard is now the law in federal court

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and in over half.

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Of the states.

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.399
<v Speaker 2>So just so you know, thank you for explaining that, Kara,

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>because I had no idea and was not going to

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 2>look it at so thanks so much for helping me

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and the listeners.

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>So Huang points out that her handwriting has gone back

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to normal after the surgery. So that's when we saw

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 1>earlier her handwriting getting all sloppy. It's like, you know,

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>after you have a stroke or you have like a

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>neurological incident, your handwriting can change.

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 3>And so her handwriting's back to normal.

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>And Huang explains that her own molestation as a child

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>lowered her set point, so she was basically predisposed to

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.359
<v Speaker 1>something like this. Craigan said he found a similar case

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 1>in Virginia where the tumor was found when the man

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was in jail, they removed it, he was released, and

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a year later he molested again because the tumor had

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 1>grown back.

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 3>So Novak is like pretty stuck on this. She doesn't

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:11.399
<v Speaker 3>really know what to do here.

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 1>They're in talks now with her lawyer, who is Cleo

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Conrad aka Jill Marie Lawrence seventeen episodes of SVU, A

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>classic defense attorney. They offer her Rape three, which is

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>five years of probation and periodic psych and medical evaluation,

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and Meredith is not allowed to have any future contact

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>with the victims, and.

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 3>She has to register as a sex offender. She takes

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 3>the plea.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Her lawyers like, don't do it, like she'll never be

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 1>able to work with children again, and she's like, no,

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.359
<v Speaker 1>the children need to be protected in case something does

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:44.959
<v Speaker 1>happen again, and she takes the plate. So Stabler goes

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to visit Shane and he seems really sad. He has

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>dropped out of band, dropped out of soccer, and said

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Jason Rice, who has Meredith's step son, slugged him in

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the cafeteria for breaking up his family, not really his fault.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 1>And Shane is sad that Meredith won't talk to him

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 1>because he's like, I.

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Thought she loved me.

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>He thought he was like in a relationship with this woman,

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.479
<v Speaker 1>which is sad, and he's like I just want to die,

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:11.959
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, I'm going to get you some help,

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and they basically are like, yeah, he's going to need

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of therapy, and like there's not good odds

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that he'll have a healthy sex life, and there are

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>good odds that he'll become an offender because the cycle

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>of abuse just kind of like rages on. And then

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>they get a call about an incident at Meredith's house

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the principal.

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>So they head.

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Over there and missus Madden is there. I love that

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 1>we get to see her one more time. Shane's mom

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>is there. She's wasted. She has attacked Meredith and said

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that Meredith has tried to call Shane.

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, why did you call him? You know

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 3>that that's part.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Of your deal that you're not allowed to have any

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 1>contact with any of your victims, and she's like, he

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 1>had a right to know.

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm pregnant.

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's fucking nuts that this principle is pregnant with

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>her sixth grade students baby. Missus Madden wants the baby terminated,

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, why did you call Shane. She's like,

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. My husband's leaving me, my stepsone won't

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>talk to me. I lost my home, my job, and

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the irony is all I've ever wanted is a baby

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>of my own. And I guess it's like, be careful

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 1>what you wish for, because now you have that baby

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and you have literally nothing else.

0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Do you think she's gonna keep the baby?

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:21.399
<v Speaker 1>I do?

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Cool?

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this episode like it's it's like I think it's

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>sad because I like about this episode as I think

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that it, Like I really hate shows like that sexify

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.919
<v Speaker 1>having sex with your teacher, like making it like super hot,

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't I hadn't even watched a Teacher on Hulu,

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:42.279
<v Speaker 1>but I was like so annoyed that they made it.

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how many more of these are we gonna make?

0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be like, there's already a couple other svus

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:50.279
<v Speaker 1>about this, like just making it like sexyed or cool.

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.240
<v Speaker 3>To be in a relationship with your teacher.

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think in this one they really show how

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 1>it fucks Shane up and it's not good. It's not

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>cool or hot to bang your principle or your teacher. Agreed,

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>But let's take a little break and then, Lisa, I'm

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.240
<v Speaker 1>excited for you to take us through the true crime.

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're going to dig into this.

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>So October two thousand and two, the BBC News reports

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 2>that a brain tumor caused a forty year old man

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:32.880
<v Speaker 2>to become obsessed with sex and molesting children. He was

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a married school teacher from the US who had no

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 2>previous history of sexual offenses. He was married to his

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 2>second wife and lived with her daughter, who was his stepdaughter.

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Everything is good and then he did end up having

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 2>an excized tumor in the right lobe of the orbio

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>frontal cortex, and this is the part of the brain

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 2>responsible for judgment, impulse control, and social behavior.

0:49:57.320 --> 0:49:59.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so far this is like exactly the same.

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, except I guess it's a guy, you know,

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe not a principle.

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 3>We don't know any information about him.

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>So basically, guys, it's like we assume this man was

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 2>British because all the press and articles about it are

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 2>British spelling and British publications and their rules are different,

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.360
<v Speaker 2>so you don't learn about his name or identity. But

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 2>everything about him is like, it's an American guy. It's

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 2>an American guid, it's an American guy. So I have

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>no idea what is going on. Yeah, and all the

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 2>doctors that have been working with him were also in

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the US, so I don't know what's going on with Like,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe the Brits are just like broke the story.

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 3>We have a lot of psycle.

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I think we have like a lot of people that

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>are in grad school for psych and stuff like that

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 1>that listen to our podcast. So if you've studied this

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>case and you know what's up with the American versus

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>British representation. Let us know, because please, it's very confusing.

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Basically, his behavior what first started happening is he was

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 2>secretly visiting child poor and abuse websites, and then he

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>started going to massage parlors, and then his wife found

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 2>out all of this stuff, and then she found out

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that he was making sexual advances towards his pre pubescent stepdaughter,

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and then she found his collection of like child sexual

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 2>abuse images, so she evicted his ass. She was like,

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 2>get the fuck out of here. You're trying to like

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.839
<v Speaker 2>rape our daughter, make advances. I found all this other

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.279
<v Speaker 2>like horrific stuff. You're out of here. So he was

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:28.719
<v Speaker 2>prescribed some madroxy progesterone, and that is a drug that

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.800
<v Speaker 2>regulates women's periods but also has been prescribed to patients

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.439
<v Speaker 2>with sexual disorders.

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this sounds more British like, instead of throwing

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.839
<v Speaker 2>someone in prison, it's like, how do we help this

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 2>person not be a fucking pedophile? So yeah, so they

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 2>put him on this medication. But he was found guilty

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>by the courts of molesting children and entered a treatment

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 2>program for convicted pedophiles. He was then kicked out of

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the program after asking the women there for sex. Constantly,

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 2>he was making answers towards the staff and all these

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>other clients, and he was just like a mess.

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so they're like, you got to get out of here.

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, can I just ask at this point, they don't

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:08.360
<v Speaker 1>know about the tumor.

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 3>They do, they do, they don't, Okay, they don't. You

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.080
<v Speaker 3>guys know, but they don't know yet.

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 2>So so yeah, he was making all these advances. So

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 2>he was kicked out and that obviously breaks the arrangement,

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 2>so he has to go to jail. So it's like

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 2>this treatment or the jail. You're getting kicked out of treatment.

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 2>But the night before he was supposed to go into prison,

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>he went to the hospital and said, I have a

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>giant headache and I'm.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Scared I'm going to rate my landlady.

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:39.800
<v Speaker 2>What So he was also having issues with balance also,

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's what actually gave the psychologist centrologists like, okay,

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 2>something might be up, because they were all very skeptical

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 2>and thought that he was just trying to avoid his

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 2>impending incarceration.

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.439
<v Speaker 3>But they examined him because of the balance, and yeah,

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 3>they did it.

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 2>So this was at the University of Virginia, and then

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>in his medical history it said he had a head

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>injury in nineteen eighty four and was knocked unconscious for

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.239
<v Speaker 2>two minutes. They don't know if that is connected to

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the tumor or not, or help grow it. But that's

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>that just a tidbit. So yeah, like I said, the

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 2>neurologist and everyone was suspicious of the man's motives. But

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 2>there were things legit wrong with him, like his balance

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and you know, stuff like that. And he also had

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 2>weird handwriting issues. Okay, his feet were more widely spread

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 2>than they should have been. One of his arms was stiff,

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and so they had emergency surgery. After an MRI scan

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>showed that he had an egg sized tumor in his brain,

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:37.240
<v Speaker 2>they did more tests and found out he was unable

0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 2>to write and also would piss himself and not care

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 2>at all.

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>What in the time leading up to the pre finding

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the egg pre finding the egg.

0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like he would be chatting and like trying to

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 2>fuck all these people at the treatment center while just

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 2>like pissing himself. He couldn't write, like he seemed alliterate

0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:56.879
<v Speaker 2>as hell and just like a whore, Like, yeah, so

0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 2>those are the things that kind of helped. Yeah, and

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 2>now everyone knows if you start acting different, it might

0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 2>be your fernial lobe, right, check it out. So they

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 2>removed the tumor, and in seven months he completed his

0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Sexaholics Anonymous treatment and was living again at home. But

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 2>then done done October two thousand and one. So a

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 2>year later this happened in two thousand. So October two

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 2>thousand and one, he complained again about headaches and started

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>to secretly collect porn again, the tumor had regrown. They

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't get all of it, so at like the little

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that was left grew again, so they removed it again

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and the behavior stopped again, but this time with like

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 2>the second tumor, he went straight to the hospital before

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 2>he did anything illegal or bad, so he understood that

0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 2>his new behaviors were unacceptable.

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:47.960
<v Speaker 3>But in his words, he would say, like.

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:51.880
<v Speaker 2>The pleasure principle overrode his restraint, and that's like what

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 2>happened in the episode where she knew it was wrong

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 2>but could not stop herself.

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Doctors said that this was the first no case of

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:04.720
<v Speaker 2>pedophilia caused by a tumor, and two of the doctors

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 2>from the University of Virginia who treated him said that

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the tumors can cause people to become sex offenders, but

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 2>like only if it's a sudden change, Like if you

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 2>were always a pedophile, you can't blame the tumor. So

0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like if you're always been a sexual deviant and

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 2>creepy and like harassing waitresses, and then you're like, oh,

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 2>but the tumor. No, but you can blame the tumor,

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 2>or like the tumor can cause it if you were

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 2>an upstanding citizen did not want to rape children, and

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden there's a change. So that's kind

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 2>of like the tumor rule is it needs to be

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:43.399
<v Speaker 2>someone without a history of batship. And the doctors were

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 2>saying that it's difficult to diagnose or find because we're

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:51.240
<v Speaker 2>dealing with the neurology of morality. It doesn't affect physical health,

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:55.440
<v Speaker 2>so a doctor might never suspect anything. So you might

0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.239
<v Speaker 2>be living this nightmare and behaving in ways that you're

0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 2>not accustomed to, and you might be confused about it,

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:05.239
<v Speaker 2>but no doctor would see you acting different. It's just

0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:08.320
<v Speaker 2>hard to detect because there's nothing actually physically happening.

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I think once you line up all of the pissing yourself,

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the handwriting, the like headaches, you know. I mean, my

0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>brother's a neurologists, and I feel like that's like most

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>people start coming in with like headaches right like, and

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 1>then you find out you know.

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my friend used to date this guy who had

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:29.719
<v Speaker 2>like a bulging eye and we would always make fun

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of him behind his back, and then we felt bad

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:36.359
<v Speaker 2>because it was a tumor pushing his eye out.

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.839
<v Speaker 3>So go to the doctor. Guy, I'm glad you felt bad.

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 2>The Atlantic had a piece that said, we take certain

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 2>drives for granted, like if you're a hetero or homosexual,

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 2>or aggressive non aggressive children or adults, and we think

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it's free choice, but biology can fuck with that. So

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 2>just another thing to be grateful for that you have control.

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Over your action desires.

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is the spooky part where sudden pedophilia

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 2>shows that there can be hidden drives and desires that

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 2>are luring and undetected. So even like the frontal lobe

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 2>controls behaviors and impulse control and all of that, but

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>these things could still be in your brain and you

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>just know not to act on them.

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 3>They're just like lying dormant.

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, so it could be in your brain and

0:57:35.960 --> 0:57:38.240
<v Speaker 2>one tumor can leash shit all out of there, but

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 2>it means it's in there. Like if it's not in

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 2>there at all, your brain's not going to just suddenly

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 2>do it.

0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's what they were saying with this

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>woman is like because she had been molested, she had

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 1>some you know, dormant issues that this tumor just sort

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of exacerbated and like, like you said, like unleashed.

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when the frontal lobe is compromised, people with

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that becomes inhibited and wild behaviors can't emerge. And uh oh,

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it's just like hopefully you don't have fucked up dormant

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>shit in your brain that's just gonna pop out, because

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 2>that's my thing. Like did this guy like, yeah, we

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.200
<v Speaker 2>only use twenty percent of our brains. Who knows what's

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in there? Who fucking knows what's gonna pop out?

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah.

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's also scary because this isn't the same. But

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 2>there's front do temporal dementia and this happens to older patients,

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>but they just lose control of their frontal and temporal

0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:37.920
<v Speaker 2>lobes and they just can't control any of these impulses

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and so they start violating social norms.

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 3>So it doesn't always have to be sexual.

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>People can just start shoplifting in front of people or

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 2>getting naked in public and so on.

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 3>And you know, we're not.

0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 2>All educated in neurology, so you're probably like, grandma's gone nuts,

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 2>and you're.

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, bring her in, But like it's just it's

0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot.

0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:01.320
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy to look at, and these cases are

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>difficult because they do end up in court often, but

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not the perpetrator's fault because the brain has degenerated

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and there's no remedy offered by medicine in a lot

0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:14.240
<v Speaker 2>of these cases, when you're like, if it's not a

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 2>tumor that they can remove and it's just damaged to

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.160
<v Speaker 2>those parts of your brain, they can't.

0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Do anything about it.

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 2>So you're not actually responsible for your actions, but there's

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 2>nothing they can do to help you.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 3>So what do you do with these people?

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it's like CTE also, like you have

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 1>ct from having like a lot of head trauma right

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 1>that can affect your frontal lobe. And like you see

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.480
<v Speaker 1>athletes that have done things like where they've murdered people

0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.919
<v Speaker 1>or had you know, cted image and you can't even

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 1>diagnose that until they're dead.

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And as humans, we like to think like I

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 2>don't gamble, so I'm strong willed. But not everyone is

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>equally free to make socially appropriate choices. This isn't a

0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 2>morality olympic because you're not more or less in controller

1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a better person or good if you're able to not

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 2>engage in certain behaviors that are outside of our societal norms.

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.720
<v Speaker 3>But some people don't even have the.

1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Option to make those choices, and so we should be

1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 2>more compassionate to people doing freaky shit in the streets.

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me personally, when I start gambling, I don't have

1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that much self control.

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Really, I didn't know you were a gamble at it.

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.120
<v Speaker 3>You'll see when we go to Vegas eventually. Oh my god.

1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, just let me a one hundred dollars. I'll

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 3>give it right back to you. Like, oh my god,

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I get.

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Hell.

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what's your game? Roulette? That's okay, that's like the

1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 3>sillice of them all. Fuck do you ever win? Yes?

1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm a hold them girl, but I get my

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>ass kicked.

1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:53.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to play these games where I have

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to like I sometimes I play the games like blackjack

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:58.040
<v Speaker 1>where I there are like people at the table that

1:00:58.080 --> 1:00:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what do you think I should do? And

1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 1>they're like stay. I'm like, okay, I just listened to

1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.160
<v Speaker 1>their advice. Like I don't actually know what I'm doing

1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.000
<v Speaker 1>with those games. But Roulette, I have my strategies even

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>though it's a full game of chance and I'm completely delusional.

1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:10.880
<v Speaker 3>And the show hacks.

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.800
<v Speaker 2>In one of the episodes, there's a scene where she

1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:15.959
<v Speaker 2>gets a blackjack dealer to come to her house because

1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:17.600
<v Speaker 2>she's so rich. She's like, I don't need to play

1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>with riff raff. This bitch comes here, and that's nice.

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Casinos are disgusting. People can smoke inside.

1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I love that she has a personal dealer and she

1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 1>just plays blackjacket home.

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh amazing.

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:33.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is not based on this episode, but just

1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 2>something I'd like to add is there's another case of

1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a man in August nineteen sixty six, Charles Whitman, who

1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:44.840
<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere murdered thirteen people, wounded thirty two more

1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:49.040
<v Speaker 2>like a full blown rampage murdering strangers, murdered his mother,

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:52.880
<v Speaker 2>stabbed his wife to death in her sleep, and then

1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:56.280
<v Speaker 2>killed himself, and the medical examiner found a giant tumor

1:01:56.280 --> 1:01:57.200
<v Speaker 2>in the front of his head.

1:01:57.400 --> 1:01:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So he was like an upstanding citizen and then out

1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere, one tumor and so much damage.

1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:11.120
<v Speaker 2>So the sociologist, doctor Sarah Good, she works with people

1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:13.720
<v Speaker 2>who are at risk of turning thought into action, and

1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:16.600
<v Speaker 2>most therapists don't work with these types of clients. But

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:18.960
<v Speaker 2>she basically believes there has to be a better way

1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.120
<v Speaker 2>we can treat medical treat pedophiles medically.

1:02:22.560 --> 1:02:25.360
<v Speaker 3>And this is controversial. I don't even know if I believe.

1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:28.360
<v Speaker 2>In this, but she said an important aspect of pedophilia

1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:32.240
<v Speaker 2>is sometimes people will realize they're a pedophile and they're

1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 2>not happy about it. You know, they're horrified, they're ashamed,

1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.160
<v Speaker 2>they're grossed out there and there's nowhere they can reach

1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:41.040
<v Speaker 2>out for help. There's multiple episodes on SVU based on this,

1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:43.520
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, she's just like, there should be

1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:46.160
<v Speaker 2>a place where people can go to get help on

1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:50.280
<v Speaker 2>this before they do anything illegal and like damage people's lives.

1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's just something to think about.

1:02:52.040 --> 1:02:55.480
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, Yeah, SV you really like just

1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:58.160
<v Speaker 1>grabbed this one straight from this well. We talked to

1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Neil Berr about this, like he read about this person

1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's when he came That's how he came up

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<v Speaker 1>with that idea for this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So and then I was on a flight and I

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<v Speaker 2>watched a documentary called Crazy and Not Insane, and so

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<v Speaker 2>randomly while working on this, I was on a flight

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<v Speaker 2>and this happened to be one of the options on Delta.

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<v Speaker 2>But doctor Dorothy Lewis could give Michael bad In a

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<v Speaker 2>run for his money because obsessed with her.

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<v Speaker 3>I am like fully in love with her.

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<v Speaker 2>But she is kind of a revolutionary in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>like neurology and brain stuff and attributing it to killers

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<v Speaker 2>and diagnosing multiple personalities and just like that, there's more

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<v Speaker 2>two criminals than just like bad.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not just bad, They're not just crazy. There's like

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<v Speaker 3>more to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's kind of like in the show how she

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<v Speaker 2>was predisposed to have these thoughts because she was molested

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<v Speaker 2>and so a lot of criminals like have horrific childhoods. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then their frontal lobe that's fucked with, they're scarring

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<v Speaker 2>all of it comes out, and so she was like

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<v Speaker 2>laughed off the stand and not respected and really hated

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<v Speaker 2>for a while in her career and now she's like

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<v Speaker 2>a badass bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're flying Delta anytime soon, check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's brain damage and predisposition, like both of

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<v Speaker 2>those twogether, and so she was able to, like she

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<v Speaker 2>would meet clients and murders she's worked with Ted Bundy,

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<v Speaker 2>she just wanted to see deeper within them.

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<v Speaker 3>And so say what the name of the thing was

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<v Speaker 3>crazy not insane. Yeah, doctor Dorothy Lewis, we love her.

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<v Speaker 3>We stand. Oh it's on HBO Max.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to just watch it, it's on

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<v Speaker 1>HBO Max or HBO on Demand or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for taking us through that extremely interesting crime.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very interested in that. And we'll be right back

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<v Speaker 3>with our very special guests. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Our next guest is a classic character actor. You've seen

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<v Speaker 1>him in so many movies, TV shows, movies like Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Fool An American Splendor. He's been in the Office, Homeland,

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<v Speaker 1>and he plays an iconic character Arthur Tach in Difficult People,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite shows. But you may know him

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<v Speaker 1>more recently as Wade Donato in Head check out our

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<v Speaker 1>interview with James Orbanniac.

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<v Speaker 2>We are very thrilled you might be one of our

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<v Speaker 2>first Red Herrings that we've had on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, very exciting, an essential part of the procedural.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we obviously wanted to talk to your character. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a classic episode. A lot of people have

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<v Speaker 1>asked us for this episode, and your character is just

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<v Speaker 1>like the classic red herring which we love. Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>putting cameras into bathrooms and you're a Europhiliac.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked it up. You're a Europhiliac your character.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is interesting because my real last name is Urbaniak,

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<v Speaker 4>which is very similar to you your Opheliac. So I

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<v Speaker 4>was meant to play the role clearly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, for sure. So what did you think when you

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<v Speaker 3>first got this script where you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, okay, I thought this is so me, not in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of acting, I may add not real life though,

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<v Speaker 4>who knows, but yeah, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Played many Red Herrings on procedurals. I've been on a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of procedurals. They are the bread and butter of

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<v Speaker 4>the working actor.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know, we noticed, Yeah, you've been on a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have sort of played a gallery of oddballs, freaks, sweirdos, pervs,

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<v Speaker 4>occasionally really bad guys and then occasionally just unpleasant people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say he's a bad guy, though he's not the

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<v Speaker 4>primary BEG guy obviously, he's the classic red hiring who

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<v Speaker 4>leads you to the really bad person. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>just thought of this is up my alley and I

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<v Speaker 4>had done Criminal Intent the year before, where I played

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<v Speaker 4>an evil doctor who was friends with a veterinarian and

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<v Speaker 4>I had a kind of Madonna horror complex and I

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<v Speaker 4>would invite women to have three ways with me and

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<v Speaker 4>my doctor friend, and if they said yes, I would

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<v Speaker 4>try to kill them because then they were not worthy

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<v Speaker 4>of my love. Very ahead of the curve portrait of

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<v Speaker 4>Toxic Man. But anyway, that was Criminal Intent, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I looked up the dates. This is also funny these

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<v Speaker 4>The SVU episode aired like literally a year to the

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<v Speaker 4>day after the Criminal Intent episode. But as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the Law and Order franchise reuses a lot of actors.

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<v Speaker 4>The original Law and Order used to reuse people like

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<v Speaker 4>Dennis O'Hare was on it like six times, playing all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of people through the year. But I was very

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<v Speaker 4>excited also just to do Law and Order, because that's

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<v Speaker 4>also a rite of passage for every New York actor.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I finally did a Law and Order, so

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<v Speaker 4>I was glad they were using you again.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you react when you found out that Amy

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<v Speaker 2>Siedaris was your sister?

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<v Speaker 3>And then how did you feel working with her?

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was delightful.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know her in advance?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think i'd met her before, but she's

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<v Speaker 4>a lovely person. And then literally, like a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, I was on at Home with Amy Sedaris

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<v Speaker 4>playing a funny characters to one off, and we had

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<v Speaker 4>a little reunion. I'd run into her a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>times since then, but I thought that was rather good casting.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think we land as brother and sister

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<v Speaker 4>for some stranger. Completely, it's a funny Amy role because

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<v Speaker 4>she's really playing it straight. It's not like I co

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<v Speaker 4>meet a character.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's just kind of like so desperately, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>My brother's into this weird shit I just see and

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<v Speaker 3>she lives on my couch.

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<v Speaker 4>She reveals a little bit about her like we had

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<v Speaker 4>Apparently we both had a messed up childhood. She sort

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<v Speaker 4>of alludes to that without being too specific, So she's

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<v Speaker 4>trying to make excuses for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of working with other people, how was it getting

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<v Speaker 1>shoved by Elliott Stabler and screamed at by Olivia Benson?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I got to say dreamation.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're shooting on the sound stage where they have

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<v Speaker 4>their offices and the holding cell set. So mister Maloney is, yeah, grabbing,

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<v Speaker 4>and he pushing me against the bars. You know, going

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<v Speaker 4>why didn't you you saw this happening? And you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>tell anybody?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>And they said cut and they went the bars are bending.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was wooden bars painted black movie magic and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm a skinny guy. I don't weigh a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>So Maloney's pushing me against these bars and they're bending,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought, now, wait a minute. First of all,

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<v Speaker 4>how long has this show been on the air. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>mister Wolf just you don't need all iron bars? Just

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<v Speaker 4>got like five of them for these close ups that

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<v Speaker 4>won't bend against a scrawny character actor. But then they

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<v Speaker 4>found the angle where the bars weren't bending. When I

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<v Speaker 4>watched the episode again yesterday and I thought, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there's the bars thought, but here's a great guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he shoving you hard?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, just pushing me against some thin wooden

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<v Speaker 4>dowels painted black and they bent a little bit against

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<v Speaker 4>my massive back muscles. But he's a lovely guy, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it's funny. I worked with him again. I did

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<v Speaker 4>a pilot which didn't become a show, but I did

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<v Speaker 4>a comedy pilot because as you know, he's great at

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<v Speaker 4>really scary drama and he's also really great at comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we love him and wet hot Amon summer like

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<v Speaker 3>he's he's.

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<v Speaker 4>So fucking funny. And I did a comedy with him

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<v Speaker 4>where we had like a little moment together that was

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<v Speaker 4>really fun. So yeah, through the years, when gets reunited

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<v Speaker 4>with one's law and order actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you notice that he had a juicy booty way

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<v Speaker 2>back then and you were ahead of the curve or

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<v Speaker 2>you sho oh No.

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<v Speaker 4>I was aware that it was a workplace environment. I

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<v Speaker 4>was very ahead of the curve in terms of correct behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventeen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my other favorite shows of all time is

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<v Speaker 2>Sex and the City. And you do play another fetish.

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<v Speaker 4>Another fetishy guy, not necessarily legally dubious, but perhaps morally dubious. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I am the foot fetishist shoe salesman in season two.

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<v Speaker 4>Very early season two name Buster named Buster, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a funny because Buster of course Buster Brown, which I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a little joke on shoes. And then my

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<v Speaker 4>Law and Order SVU character is named Wade, which I've

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<v Speaker 4>always thought was perhaps a water related pun since season

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<v Speaker 4>two Urine and they named him Wade, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was deliberate. That was a great Then

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<v Speaker 4>Sex and the City was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember it was two and it wasn't quite

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<v Speaker 4>the monolith it had become yet it had only been

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<v Speaker 4>on one season. I think it was popular. I remember

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<v Speaker 4>I got HBO after I got that gig so I

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<v Speaker 4>could watch it. And it was directed by the independent

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<v Speaker 4>film director Alison Anders, who's made some great features and

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<v Speaker 4>was just doing that in TV as like a one off,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And I remember putting a shoe on Miss

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<v Speaker 4>Davis and her gently suggesting that the way that actual

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<v Speaker 4>shoe guys put shoes on, you know, you want to

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<v Speaker 4>wiggle it a little bit. She gave me some advice

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<v Speaker 4>and how to sell that I was a shoe. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, yeah, I guess I haven't really put shoes

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<v Speaker 4>on women before in my how many decades of existence

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<v Speaker 4>you got to learn these things?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, another one of our favorite shows, also New York based,

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<v Speaker 1>Difficult People.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, thank you, yeah, and that actually so. I

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<v Speaker 4>was a very old friend of Julie Klausner's. I've known

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<v Speaker 4>her for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Who I've met Julia a couple of times, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a huge fan of hers. I just always think she

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<v Speaker 1>thought she was so smart and funny, and I've read

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<v Speaker 1>her book and love her.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and I thought she was very smart because she

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<v Speaker 4>casts me, if you'll note, as a non weirdo, non person,

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<v Speaker 4>you are like the stable boy in terms of the

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<v Speaker 4>universe of that show. I think I'm the most normal character,

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<v Speaker 4>or of the nicest. He's the most grounded, Arthur.

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<v Speaker 3>He's so funny, and the little nicknames he has.

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<v Speaker 4>For her, everybody loves the nicknames funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a funny runner, Liza.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you wanted to ask this question about Difficult People?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh please?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? How is it working with the Bassett Hounds?

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<v Speaker 4>The Vasset Hounds were fun. Now, of course in real

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<v Speaker 4>life Julie has cats, but I guess she felt masset

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<v Speaker 4>hounds are very theatrical. They're kind of funnier than cats.

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<v Speaker 4>I gets the basset hounds were fun. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>trainer who was a very quiet, intense man who would

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<v Speaker 4>just stand there, you know that bartender stare when they're

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<v Speaker 4>really busy and they're not really looking at you, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're very deliberately like like a horse with blinders on.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what he was like. He was so focused on

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<v Speaker 4>the dogs. You couldn't even smile at him, and he

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<v Speaker 4>would just stand there very intensely, and you know, do

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<v Speaker 4>whatever they had to do. If they had to sit

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<v Speaker 4>in the couch, he'd be there to make sure they

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<v Speaker 4>sat in the couch, and then it was done, he

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<v Speaker 4>give them their little treat. So I was fascinated by

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<v Speaker 4>the trainer guy, who you know, was always in those suits.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you have been in a bunch of these

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<v Speaker 1>fun New York shows. But if you were to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to ask for you, what's a role you'd want

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<v Speaker 1>to play? You've played the weird even well, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling this is crazy, ladies. But I have never

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<v Speaker 1>played a lawyer. I don't think I've ever played a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer on a show.

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<v Speaker 4>I love wearing a suit. I love wearing a suit

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<v Speaker 4>on camera or on stage. I want to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>objection leading. I want to be one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeahn I could see as played a judge on The

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<v Speaker 4>Good Wife. He was a young, dashing judge obviously, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>cool judge, and I was like, wait, I'm going straight

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<v Speaker 4>to judge. I want to be lawyer. So I would

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<v Speaker 4>want to be a lawyer on like any procedural.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, do you have a preference on if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>defense attorney or a DA No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, And actually, in my tradition, i'd want to press

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<v Speaker 4>be defending a bad person.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I see it, I see it happening. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of one of the girls from casting at

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<v Speaker 2>SU does listen to the podcast we do DM Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a long time since toilet Boy, so no

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<v Speaker 4>one's going to remember I'm you know, and hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>toilet boy turned it around and became an attorney. Changed

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<v Speaker 4>his name, makes.

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<v Speaker 3>Sense, right, Yeah, got out of jail, Yeah, I got it.

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<v Speaker 4>Good behavior, good behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>know this, James, but we are both virgos.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I sure am.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just saw a post online recently, and so

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<v Speaker 2>many serial killers.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of killers are virgos anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't follow the astrology that closely, even though I

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<v Speaker 4>am an actor who lives in la But aren't they aren't.

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<v Speaker 4>Virgos supposed to be kind of precise and have certain

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<v Speaker 4>organizational and organize which is ironic because I am in

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<v Speaker 4>certain ways. But I'm also kind of a slob in general.

1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:22.960
<v Speaker 4>I really had to learn how to be neat when

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<v Speaker 4>I started living with people like my wife. But but

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<v Speaker 4>I also have a very precise mind organism. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>into old movies and stuff, and I can like name

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<v Speaker 4>you obscure actors from the thirties, and I have a

1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:38.840
<v Speaker 4>lot of information like that in my head. So I

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<v Speaker 4>could see how that could pft be used the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 4>much like my little man in as for you, who

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<v Speaker 4>immediately says the number of the tape that the that

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<v Speaker 4>the crime is on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he knows exactly the time code. It's a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Then they read from his notebook and he's like describing

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<v Speaker 4>the rear end of one of the unfortunate victims. And

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<v Speaker 4>then he says, marigold yellow. He's got specific shades of

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<v Speaker 4>urine color. Yeah, I mean, he's a disgusting person, but

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<v Speaker 4>you got to give him that. He was a virgo

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<v Speaker 4>and a virgin totalo ful verge. He's never had sex.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a gold star. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have anything coming hour that you're working on

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<v Speaker 2>that you like to share with us?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Plug it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I'm in it. There's a Netflix movie called Things

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<v Speaker 4>Heard and Scene or is it Things Seen and Heard

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<v Speaker 4>ghost Story?

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<v Speaker 3>Who else is in that? Amanda cried yes, and is

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<v Speaker 3>Michael o'ke.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael O'Keeffe is in it, and Karen Allen's in it.

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<v Speaker 1>We interviewed and Michael O'Keefe, Caroen Allen, Amanda Seyfried, James

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<v Speaker 1>Orbaniac all s.

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<v Speaker 4>An upstate New York movie. It's it's set in the

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<v Speaker 4>Hudson Valley, very beautiful part of the country, as you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have a little part in that. I play

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<v Speaker 4>Racy Horn's husband, Racy Horn from from from Medical so yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>who is an old buddy of mine as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a it's a fun kind of ghost story

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<v Speaker 4>and it's said in the eighties, So Ray and I

1:18:10.960 --> 1:18:15.800
<v Speaker 4>are playing kind of baby boomer hippie generation people who

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<v Speaker 4>are sort of landed in the Hudson Valley. I have

1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:22.040
<v Speaker 4>a scene ry smoke pot, so that'll be out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Kara, tell him the story with you and your husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is this goes to this goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a story. Do you know Carol, Carol's really good friend

1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Mindy Tucker.

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<v Speaker 4>I do, indeed, And she took a great photograph of me,

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<v Speaker 4>as she's taken of many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick side note, Carol is a mutual friend of me

1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and James is from New York. I'm just saying one

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<v Speaker 1>time she was like explaining to me how how exciting

1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:48.519
<v Speaker 1>it was to have like come from Alabama to New York.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like, I just can't believe. I used to

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<v Speaker 3>watch like.

1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:54.320
<v Speaker 1>The movie Henry fool and now I'm taking photos of

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<v Speaker 1>James or Bainiac.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's got this real She's.

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<v Speaker 4>Got this real, very sick Alabama action.

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<v Speaker 3>So she he love my husband and I who I

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<v Speaker 3>think you've met as well. My husband. His name is

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<v Speaker 3>Jared Logan. He's another comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>He he and I would always just say James or

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<v Speaker 1>Baniac like around the house in her accent. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what he started doing is out of nowhere, sending me

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of you from your IMDb on text and just

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<v Speaker 1>going urbaniac attack.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have a funny little joke about you in

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<v Speaker 3>my house, and.

1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:26.960
<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to tell you I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>That if you look at my husband's and my text history,

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<v Speaker 1>it's riddled with photos of you.

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<v Speaker 4>James or maniac.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Lisa, post mortem time, what have we learned?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you are starting to slur your your

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<v Speaker 1>signature and feel very attracted to thirteen year olds.

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<v Speaker 3>Go get checked out. You need to go get a

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<v Speaker 3>brain scan.

1:19:50.680 --> 1:19:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's wild that this could go undetected for forever,

1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>if you know, since there's not actually like physical medical problems,

1:20:00.479 --> 1:20:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Like if you start acting different, definitely do something about it.

1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Or if your friend starts acting different, call them out.

1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Don't just be like, oh, all right, she's acting like

1:20:09.560 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a weirdo. Maybe, you know, like you have to help

1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:13.080
<v Speaker 2>each other out.

1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it. Also, like this episode really got.

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<v Speaker 1>Me thinking about just like we need to protect our

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<v Speaker 1>heads in general, like with sports and like with any

1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:24.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of like when you have like a traumatic brain

1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>injury and stuff like just all that stuff needs to

1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:33.400
<v Speaker 1>be looked at because it leads to bad behaviors sometimes like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so my friend just got her driving permit

1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and she took a photo at the DMV and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a photo of like a person's body driving a car.

1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:43.960
<v Speaker 2>But then it was a drawing of a watermelon and

1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:47.040
<v Speaker 2>it said protect your melon, and she wrote like, aren't

1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:49.680
<v Speaker 2>our heads like enough? Like why does it have to

1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>be a melon? Like I think it's compelling enough to

1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:55.439
<v Speaker 2>protect our heads. You don't have to play any game

1:20:55.760 --> 1:21:00.240
<v Speaker 2>with this, but okay, yeah, protect our heads. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if this is something we can actually do. I mean,

1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the NFL even doesn't buy the best helmets for their

1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:09.680
<v Speaker 2>yeah players, saying because of money and deals, like there

1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>are better helmets that can protect football players and they

1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.800
<v Speaker 2>refuse to use them for I don't know, commercial purposes

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

1:21:18.320 --> 1:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>But of course, of course, you can also just get

1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:22.320
<v Speaker 1>a tumor in your head, of course, But I'm just

1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:24.519
<v Speaker 1>saying in general, you hear about CT and all this

1:21:24.640 --> 1:21:27.599
<v Speaker 1>like horrible shit because people just let their noggins get

1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:30.200
<v Speaker 1>bashed in all the time and it's not doesn't lead

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<v Speaker 1>to anything good.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, don't embarrass your child by being an alcoholic in

1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>public at their sporting events. Yeah, Like it sucks to

1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:41.960
<v Speaker 2>be probably you know, suffering and being an alcoholic, but

1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:45.200
<v Speaker 2>keep it off the playing field because it'll ruin your

1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:45.920
<v Speaker 2>kids forever.

1:21:46.400 --> 1:21:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:21:46.720 --> 1:21:49.599
<v Speaker 1>As much as I love a road soda, I love

1:21:49.680 --> 1:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>drinking outside out of a you know, innocuous drinking vessel,

1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:55.559
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of plastic solo cup.

1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Don't do it at your kids' games. Now you can.

1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:02.760
<v Speaker 3>You can have a few drinks. You can't drink absolutely,

1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.000
<v Speaker 3>that is like social.

1:22:04.280 --> 1:22:07.759
<v Speaker 2>If your kids have two three softball games and one

1:22:07.800 --> 1:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Saturday afternoon, you can have some white clause at the game.

1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:14.360
<v Speaker 3>We're talking full on. You just sit and take it

1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:17.920
<v Speaker 3>too far. Yes, this is for alcoholics only.

1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, if you're someone that does not struggle with alcoholism,

1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you can get drunk as long as you behave I

1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:27.320
<v Speaker 2>just we both have a friend. I'm like, I'm very

1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:31.200
<v Speaker 2>close to the person whose mother is an alcoholic and

1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>him being embarrassed constantly by her in public, like years

1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>of therapy because he loves his mom and people liked her,

1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:44.080
<v Speaker 2>but like the embarrassment and covering for her and people

1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:48.479
<v Speaker 2>pleasing and like it really affected his personality and how

1:22:48.520 --> 1:22:51.760
<v Speaker 2>he acts towards others. Being embarrassed constantly with his mom

1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:55.360
<v Speaker 2>at sporting events. I think that's why this came to me,

1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>this last post mortem bit, because I know someone that

1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:04.680
<v Speaker 2>it really affected them, being like humiliated constantly. Also, if

1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:07.400
<v Speaker 2>your brother is a freak, you got to turn him in.

1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:10.439
<v Speaker 2>You can't just let you know, you can't just let

1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:11.440
<v Speaker 2>a pervert.

1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:13.920
<v Speaker 3>On your couch and yeah, yeah, no, no, no no.

1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you can also set some boundaries with a sibling, like, look,

1:23:17.360 --> 1:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that I am the pre eminent New York

1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:23.439
<v Speaker 1>City pecam purveyor, but I can't give them to you

1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>to do that with them, Like I'm sorry, you can't

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:30.920
<v Speaker 1>use your sister's talent to feed your I mean, I

1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>want to say hobby, but that's kind of like it's

1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:36.400
<v Speaker 1>not really a hobby. Is It's just a criminal It's

1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:40.679
<v Speaker 1>just a criminal hobby. Now when I look at my PM,

1:23:40.760 --> 1:23:42.320
<v Speaker 1>always like Marrigold yellow.

1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:44.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, me too.

1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I've been being I've been like, I wonder what James

1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Urbaniac would feel about this color of p or his

1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>character Wade. But also, even if you are doing something

1:23:54.000 --> 1:23:56.760
<v Speaker 2>illegal and something terrible happens, you need to get over

1:23:56.840 --> 1:24:01.120
<v Speaker 2>yourself and help you said it an anonymous something like.

1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:03.680
<v Speaker 3>Say something say something, for fuck's sake, come on.

1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Always, you know, it's always like, but I had coke

1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>in my pocket, so I didn't want to and it's

1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like no one cares about your cocaine and someone is

1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:11.439
<v Speaker 2>like choking to death.

1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, like right, get over yourself. This kid is

1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>being abused. Anonymous tips are important.

1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Also, if you're a kid that gets to be in

1:24:20.200 --> 1:24:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Central Park, you better fucking enjoy it.

1:24:24.520 --> 1:24:25.080
<v Speaker 3>So cool.

1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now let's get into our what would Sister Peg do? Segment,

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<v Speaker 1>our weekly segment where we give you some more resources

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<v Speaker 1>or organizations that can inform what you learned about in

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode. Today we want to highlight an organization called

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<v Speaker 1>Male Survivor. It is a five A one C three

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<v Speaker 1>through support, treatment, research, education, advocacy, and activism. Their website

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