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Speaker 2: I have on my show today none other than Jason David,

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Speaker 2: former Air Force Chief Master Sergeant retired just recently, so

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Speaker 2: he's probably still feeling like he's got to do some

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Speaker 2: pt somewhere in his life. Welcome to the show, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks, brothers. It's wonderful to be here with you.

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Speaker 2: You literally just got out of the military a few

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Speaker 2: months ago, right, I did. I did.

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Speaker 3: I went on terminal leave in December and I finaled

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Speaker 3: It was a good ride, and right around the end

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Speaker 3: the Air Force at twenty two years, so it was

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Speaker 3: since I have a chapter two and I'm able to

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Speaker 3: do the things I want to do versus what I

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Speaker 3: I can that I have gathered that I think is

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Speaker 2: No, I love that, And you're very eloquently spoken. And

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Speaker 2: to attain the highest ranking in an elisted man's air force.

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Speaker 2: How old are you? Can I ask you that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm floating in my forties, right, Like you said,

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Speaker 3: anything on the Internet stays on the Internet forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's ay forever.

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Speaker 3: But I was able to become a Chief Master Surgeon

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Speaker 3: that allowed a lot of doors to open for me

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Speaker 2: Absolutely what would that entail? What would you do as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, very cool. You're very dialed in. What

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's gnarly. Yeah, that's awesome. Right. I thought the

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Speaker 2: Right, A little discipline goes a long way, a little like, hey,

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to share something with you that I

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Speaker 3: The authors of age old days of making fables to

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Speaker 3: but like self help books, like read this book and

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Speaker 3: It translates to resilience as well. So I'm a purple

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Speaker 3: You willing to extend your time right to someone that

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Speaker 2: So right, and you don't get it back. You don't

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Speaker 3: So, because everyone knows that internally, maybe you're not thinking

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Speaker 2: who's been on the circuit who's there to say, hey,

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00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: check this out stand like this, hold your finger in

435
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: your pinky like this. You know. It's just beautiful.

436
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 3: Read And the best part is you're doing it with

437
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 3: other veterans, right, And so.

438
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: I had no idea we'd be talking about golf.

439
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just any excuse for you to spark

440
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: a connection with someone else is one more reason that

441
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: you will probably want to stay on this earth, you know.

442
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 3: And that's a powerful message. Man, It is powerful.

443
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: You know. You can find a love in what you

444
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: want to do. You can find that passion that spark

445
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: inside of you can just be ignited. Right like over

446
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: my shoulder to see, this is my couch. So there's

447
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: a snowboard here, and then there's another snowboard against the

448
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 2: wall right there. Because I am avid to go snowboarding,

449
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: and it just stopped on the nineteenth of this month.

450
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: So I'm just kind of like getting out of the

451
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: military again. It's like, what am I going to do?

452
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do? How do I go snowboarding today?

453
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 2: You know? And then all of a sudden that kind

454
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: of sets in, so you know what I do. I've

455
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: been boxing for almost a year, and so I knew

456
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: that snowboarding would come and go, right because it's a

457
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: seasonal thing, but boxing is every day, and so I

458
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: go every day to work on my core, work on

459
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: my legs, work on my upper work on my mentality.

460
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: And then snowboarding hits and I am totally like feeling

461
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: so much stronger and ready to hit the slopes, especially

462
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: with all the bouncing on my legs, et cetera. And

463
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: my wife rides with us all the time. And then

464
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: now that snowboarding is coming to an end, I'm still boxing.

465
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm still inside of boxing. Still for you boxing, have

466
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: you made connections with the coaches? Have you have you

467
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: I now have friends? Yeah, I just walked in Bro.

468
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: I just said, hey, I have a mission to be

469
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: better at myself, and I think boxing is going to

470
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: be I think that I'm gonna learn how to fight.

471
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn how to defend. I'm gonna learn how

472
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: to up train myself to be humble for the downgrade,

473
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: you know. And so I just started boxing, and I

474
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: was always going over with Soft Rep. Right, these guys

475
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: that I work with all the time, they'd have me

476
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: go over to London and I would host the SAS

477
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: versus Navy Seal boxing matches. And so I was just

478
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: like why am I not boxing? So I just really

479
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: fun and it keeps me going.

480
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: Like your community, right, yeah, dude.

481
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: And and like you said, is there friends there?

482
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

483
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: I have friends. You know, there's friends in that group.

484
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: And you know, almost like a family. You just start

485
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 2: seeing everybody who shows up, who commits to themselves. And

486
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I told my wife today, I'm working out for you, baby.

487
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 2: She's like, no, you're working out for you.

488
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

489
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: It was like I was like, yeah, I mean us.

490
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: It's funny.

491
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: It's funny that you say that because I have a

492
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: lot of old adages that are stored in my brain

493
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: from years of being in the military. But my favorite

494
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: one that I still say to this day. And I

495
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: hope if someone is watching this, they take it with them,

496
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: they put in their back pocket and they never lose it.

497
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: Right.

498
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: Life is a team sport, period.

499
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: That's it, man, it is. Life is a team sport.

500
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I love it. Yeah, I

501
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: do know what you mean. I played baseball for like

502
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: sixteen years. Yeah, Like, what are we doing right now?

503
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: We're coming you and I right, we're coming together from

504
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: opposite ends of the US to talk about something in

505
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: the best interests of.

506
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: The veteran community.

507
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: Right, This is us being on the same team with

508
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: the same core goals and same objectives. How is this

509
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: not a team sport and we're trying to make each

510
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: other better?

511
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: Right?

512
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: And that's beautiful. It absolutely is beautiful. And the more

513
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: people that act in this way, the more people that

514
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: are encouraged to be motivated right with their course of action.

515
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 3: Remember we're talking about you can do anything outside of

516
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: a self help book if you have a course of

517
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: action that you decide that you want to do and

518
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: the motivation to get through it.

519
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's exact, Chief mass start. Yeah, I just

520
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: want to say yes.

521
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, my chief, and I already retired. I'm not

522
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 3: trying to say privacy.

523
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: Yes, whatever you want, it is already done. I did

524
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: it yesterday. What you're speaking now, it's already on the radar. Cool,

525
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: good stuff.

526
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So did I miss anything in our conversation? Is

527
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: there anything else that you wanted to pick my brain about?

528
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: You know what I want to pick your brain about

529
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: is your purple heart. I want you to tell me,

530
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: you know, nice and eloquently as you do, what happened

531
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: and why you're dealing with that, you know, and nine surgeries.

532
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Is that part of it? Sure? Sure? So I was.

533
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 3: I was deployed to a rack. I was hit with

534
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: some indirect fire and it ended up picking me up

535
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: and throwing me against the building, and that broke my shoulders,

536
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: part of my back and my hips. And that was

537
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: not not the best time in my life. I had

538
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: a couple surgeries at lung Store Regional Medical Center, a

539
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: couple surgeris at Walter reed to rebuild me. At one

540
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: point the doctor told me that I had and this

541
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: is I feel completely okay sharing this. The doctor told

542
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: me that when they looked at my muscular or the

543
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: skeletal systems, it's as if I had flown at five

544
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour into a wall by myself. So

545
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: it had shattered a lot of my bones, a lot

546
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: of fractures that I had ended up healing in the

547
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: wrong way. So when they did my spinal fusion and

548
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: I had a spinal fusion in my twenties, man like,

549
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: that's not cool, right, There's no one I should have that.

550
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: They had just flat back to fix it, and it was.

551
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: It was not cool.

552
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 3: But you know again, because I was motivated and I

553
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: wanted to stay in the military. I wanted to I

554
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: wanted to give back because the military had given so

555
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: much to me. I just fell into a lot of

556
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: like gray zones of help. When Secretary of Madis was

557
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense, he wrote a memo that said, hey,

558
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: don't kick out the Purple Heart recipients. They serve a purpose, right,

559
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: there's there's a reason we want to keep them around.

560
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: And I was originally getting med boarded. That memo came

561
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: out and it deleted my status. I didn't have to

562
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: get med boarded that year, and it was amazing.

563
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: It was awesome.

564
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: So thank you, sir for buying me more time and

565
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 3: allowing me to get promote it eventually to chief Master

566
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: Sergeant in the Air Force. And then, you know, on

567
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: the completion of you know, twenty years, my body started

568
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: deteriorating extremely bad.

569
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: And it still is. Yeah, and so I walk around

570
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: with the cane. You know, I can't. I can't walk unassisted.

571
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: I take an unsurmountable amount of medication to be able

572
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: to function properly.

573
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: But I have all the help I need inside myself, right, Yeah, Yeah,

574
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 2: you're a resilient dude. Sometimes, right, you got to wake up.

575
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: That's what I asked you, you know, do you ever feel

576
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: like just sleeping in you know, it's like, you know, uh,

577
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: you're a veteran, You've been through the purple heart situation.

578
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: What was the indirect fire that indirectly hit you? Was

579
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: it shrapnel from a rifle? Was it from like addition, it.

580
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: Was a rocket for bel grenade RPG.

581
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely not true up.

582
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so uh that's a that's it wasn't It

583
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: wasn't the best experience, right, but I yeah, I want

584
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: I want to say that I was lucky because a

585
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: lot of the guys that I went on the same

586
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: mission with they didn't make it home, you know, and

587
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 3: I had a hard time dealing with that for years.

588
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: Even the guy that sent me on that mission is

589
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: no longer here, no longer on the serve. It wasn't

590
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: just that, but it was a bunch of incidents like

591
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: that that just it took its toll on his brain

592
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: and he couldn't handle the fact that he was responsible

593
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: for people that got in harm's way. It just it

594
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: got to his soul. So, you know, went to a

595
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: bunch of funerals over the past fifteen years. It's been

596
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 3: really sad, but that's what encourages me to try to

597
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: share the message of veteran resiliency, veteran support right. Places

598
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: like Move United, who help you get out of your

599
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: house and go do things, Salute Military Golf Association, who

600
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: empowers you with golf clubs to kind of walk around

601
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: right and smell the grass and stop soldier suicide. You know,

602
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: organizations comprise almost solely of civilians that have nothing to

603
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: do with the military. They just don't want America's sons

604
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: and daughters to kill themselves. They want to help them succeed.

605
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: They want to help them get them purpose. And to me,

606
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: that's a great That is a great and noble cause.

607
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: It is a great, noble cause, and it's one that

608
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, some people have, you know, if these are

609
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: the scales and it tips down, some people say you

610
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: shouldn't talk about it because it brings it up, and

611
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: some people say you should talk about it because it

612
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: makes it an awareness and we should all be about it.

613
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: We just want this medium where it's like, you know, hey,

614
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: we're all here for each other, like you said, on

615
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: a team.

616
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: Right.

617
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: And again, my door's really open and people reach out

618
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: to me often. And I also want to point out

619
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: something when you mentioned the VA has you know, some

620
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: some things that they can reach out to, some services,

621
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: and then there's other places that you call and you're like,

622
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: who am I going to have come to my house?

623
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: Are they going to just take me out? Because I'm

624
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: trying to defend my Like I'm thinking about this. I

625
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: do I really bring up this to my wife and kids?

626
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: Or do I have wife and kids? Well, I believe

627
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: the VA has nine eight eight, which is like a

628
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: suicide line. It's like the nine to one one, but

629
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: it's nine eight eight and you can call nine eight

630
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: eight at the VA and get somebody on the phone

631
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: to help you with your thoughts. You can just call

632
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: and say, hey, what does this line actually do?

633
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the view of healthcare is there to support not

634
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: just you know, combat veterans, but if you were a

635
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: veteran in general, now that you have access to healthcare

636
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: across the board. I have no reservations telling you that

637
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: I just saw my therapist yesterday. You know, I have

638
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: a therapist and I'm a psychiatrist right to help me

639
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: keep my brain level. Does it make me any weaker

640
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: as a person? I don't think so. Am I retired

641
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: from the Air Force. Sure, did I find a job

642
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: that made me happy on the outside. Yes, So I

643
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: didn't even tell you this, right, So I just got

644
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: promoted to vice president at a business firm and I've

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: only been out.

646
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Of the graduations.

647
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've only been out of the military a couple

648
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: of months. But a lot of that has to do

649
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: with experience, right, and wanting to do something. Almost anyone

650
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: who gets out of the military with a strong background

651
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: in you know, allegiance to an organization. Education like years

652
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: and years of education that the military forces down your throat,

653
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: in addition to any civilian education that you get, coupled

654
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: with real life experience experiences what gets you jobs. Experience

655
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: is what makes you valuable. And then add in a

656
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: dose of motivation that the majority of military people have,

657
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: and you've got a really constructive, you know, employee. You

658
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: got a really valuable resource, someone that you know is

659
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: going to be dependable and that you can count on

660
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: as part of your team. And the business firm that

661
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: picked me up, you know, they had a lot of

662
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: the same feelings, and you know, I was on the

663
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: job for a couple of months and they said, hey,

664
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: we think that you're ready to do this job and said,

665
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: and I said, I will do whatever job I can

666
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: do as long as I'm still able to help the

667
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: people that deserve it. And so even even my company GCS,

668
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: they're there, they have changed their direction of support. They

669
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: used to support a lot of other smaller nonprofits. Now

670
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: they support mainly veteran nonprofits to help people, you know,

671
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: combat the things that we're talking about now, like suicide.

672
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 3: So it's it's really cool. It's really cool what you

673
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: what you're able to do, what you can shape, you know,

674
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: the destinies that you can manifest in your own hands

675
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: as long.

676
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: As you're motivated. Yeah, really, you know. And boy, I

677
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: don't know if it's just like a sensitive subject for me.

678
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: I've had a friend that was on the line with me,

679
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: but he didn't I wasn't able to like keep him

680
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: on the line, you know. The next day it was

681
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: just he kind of just you know, it was it

682
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: was heavy. He was someone in our community that a

683
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: lot of us knew around here here in Utah, and

684
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: he just felt that nobody cared. And I was like, well,

685
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: how can you say that when I'm sitting here literally

686
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: talking to you at like two in the morning. You're

687
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: having these crazy thoughts and then come to find out

688
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: he just went and sat in his truck and you know,

689
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: took care of those thoughts. But nobody could have stopped

690
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: him from buying his firearm. You did everything nobody could have,

691
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, nobody could have done any

692
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: of that. But yet here he was totally thinking that route.

693
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: How do we how do we tell the guy out

694
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: there that or the gal that is filling out that

695
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: form It says, are you having thoughts? It's like you

696
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: shouldn't buy that? But they're just gonna say no, you know,

697
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: no thought that four when you fill that out at

698
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: the gun store, so it's on there.

699
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to stop someone from committing suicide,

700
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: but I can tell you how people feel after someone

701
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: goes right. And I think, like you said, it's a

702
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: sensitive subject for a lot, but I think the more

703
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: you talk about it, the more you put into the

704
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: minds of folks that may contemplate it later in the future.

705
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: You let them know what the second and third orders

706
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: of effect are of suicide. And again, if life is

707
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: a team sport, you're not trying to hurt the members

708
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: of your team. You may want to You may want

709
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: the pain, the immediate pain, to go away. But I'll

710
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: give you an example, right, and I'll use a parental example.

711
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: Do you have kids? Read?

712
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if I asked you.

713
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: That I have. You said, do I have kids? Yeah?

714
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh you have seven seven kids? Right?

715
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: Okay, understood? Seventy Say the kid number seventy four right,

716
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: needs to get from one side of the yard to

717
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: the other to go pick up a ball. But no

718
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: one has any shoes on because you guys are playing

719
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 3: in the backyard. You as the dad, don't want your

720
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: kid to get hurt, so you give your kid a piggyback.

721
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Right.

722
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: And there's rocks, and there's bugs, and who knows, there

723
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: might be pieces of trash or metal that you can't see.

724
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: But you, as the.

725
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: Father, are willing to walk barefoot and hurt yourself just

726
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: a little bit so that you can get the ball

727
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: for you know, you know, kid number seventy four.

728
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: I'm teasing you, by the way, I guess sometimes in pain.

729
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: For the team is worth it, right, Sometimes eating your

730
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: feelings of wanting to hurt yourself is if you can

731
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: see what it's going to do to others, Maybe, just

732
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: maybe that may paint a different picture, a different light,

733
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: and then I'll give you one. I know, I know

734
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: we're going on like huge tangents today, but.

735
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: No, no, this is what it's all about. Yeah, this

736
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: is what it's about. I read this book.

737
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: I read this book and I can't remember the author,

738
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: and I feel terrible, but I remember this story.

739
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: It was in Vietnam.

740
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: There was a Marine Corps, a gunnery sergeant that was

741
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: making his formation march. So imagine a Marine gunnery sergeant

742
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: back in Vietnam days, probably you know, pretty boisterous, pretty loud,

743
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: pretty authoritative, standing at the back of the line, and

744
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: you've got ten guys on either side walking on a

745
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 3: path and they are absolutely famished. They are tired, they

746
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: have worn the same socks for like four days without

747
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: changing him. They're gross, and it's monsoon season and they

748
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: are marching like almost one hundred miles and the gunnery

749
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: sergeant is just screaming at these dudes to keep moving

750
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: stand formation so that they can get to their hot zone,

751
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: so they can get picked up.

752
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: Right.

753
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: Well, one of the guys in the middle of the

754
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: formation has suicidal feelings, like does not want to be there,

755
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 3: is already hurt, has seen some of his friends die

756
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: and doesn't want to be there anymore. But the only

757
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: reason he doesn't kill himself right in this story is

758
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 3: that he's afraid of his gunnery sergeant. Right, He's afraid

759
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: of the gunnery sergeant's feelings about him hurting himself.

760
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: And how cool is that?

761
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: How cool is that that your friends, your bosses, your

762
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: associates can hold you accountable to the point where you

763
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: don't want to disappoint someone, so you're not going to

764
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: hurt yourself, right, And so I love that story, that

765
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: message because it doesn't really apply to scenarios outside of

766
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: the military. But but but God bless that gunnery sergeant.

767
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Oh yeah, I know what

768
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: it does apply to the team effort, right, So, so

769
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: just know that you are loved out there. There can

770
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: be you know, salvation and hope for you if you're

771
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: going down the rabbit hole. Bro, hit me up, let's

772
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: talk about it. Give me another chance at somebody, Come on,

773
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep you here. Bro.

774
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: Hey, rad I wanted to thank you for having me

775
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: on your show today. I think what you're doing is

776
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: freaking fantastic. I think you're like a super easy personal

777
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 3: person to talk to. I think the messages that you

778
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: try to get out. I was reading up, you know,

779
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: before this interview, some of the episodes that you've had before,

780
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: the people that you talked to you're I wish I

781
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: could clone you and like drop you in different places

782
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: across America, because that's what builds resiliency, that's what builds networks,

783
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: that's what builds family. And again, I'll say it one

784
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: last time. If life is a team sport, you're a

785
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 3: great captain.

786
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Oh brother, you know what, Hey,

787
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: co captain here? Okay, come on now, come on, come on,

788
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: come on. Leadership's in here, brother. We all have it right,

789
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: whether you're E one, whether you couldn't even get in

790
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: the military and you are an EMT and you thought

791
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: I got to serve somehow, and you're dealing with post

792
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: traumatic stress from all of these things. Like I was

793
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: just talking to a firefighter up on a chairlift the

794
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: other day and I was like, so, what do you

795
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: do you know on a chairlift talk and he's like,

796
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: I'm a firefighter Solate County. I said, I'm a local.

797
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: I live in Sandy And then we were talking, and

798
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, you're never ready for the you know,

799
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: the premature baby delivery. All of a sudden, you get

800
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: a call, you show up and it's just like this

801
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: premature baby in your hands. You're just like, what do

802
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: I do with this? You know, how how do I

803
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: handle this? And everybody's looking at him with all of

804
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: this responsibility because he has the reflectors on his uniform,

805
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: you know, and he's the guy, which but he has

806
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: feelings inside and so for a moment on a chairlift,

807
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: he was open with me like it was it's just tough,

808
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: you know, and guys like that, you know who maybe

809
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 2: never served in the military but served in another fashion

810
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: and sees sees this type of stress. Bro, You're not alone.

811
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: You are not alone. I think that's the message is

812
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: you're not alone.

813
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: There there's a there's a kinship, as you know, between

814
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: public servants.

815
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: Right.

816
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: Public servants in my mind are people who do things

817
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: not for paychecks, otherwise they wouldn't do them. Policemen, right,

818
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: the secretaries that answer the phones at the police station, EMTs,

819
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: the drivers of the nine to one to one trucks, right, firefighters,

820
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: military teachers right. The only public servant that's not really

821
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: public services. Doctors could. They get paid pretty well, but

822
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 3: like everyone on the peripher that gets you to the hospital,

823
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: they're not making bank man, They're doing it because they

824
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: believe in what they're doing. And that's again, that's a

825
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: part of that team that you need. That's the core

826
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: of your team that you need to be strong.

827
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: I think as funny about the prices. The prices as

828
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: funny as my dad told us one time in the eighties,

829
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: he kind of broke down his salary as a green beret.

830
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: My dad was Special Forces Airborne started first class hardcore.

831
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: You think, oh, he probably gets like one hundred thousand

832
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: dollars a year to be green beret. Now, dude, it

833
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: was like two dollars and seventy three cents an hour.

834
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: Because he's like, I'm active duty, that's twenty four hours

835
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: a day. Yeah, you break down my paycheck. What's my

836
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: hourly paycheck? And he's like, okay, two dollars and seventy

837
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: three cents an hour. And these guys are your neighbors,

838
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: they're your coaches. They work at the grocery stores as

839
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: a manager who you're arguing with. Okay, this dude's just

840
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: like man, I did to Afghanistan sixteen times your salary.

841
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: Let's just exchange it, okay percent. Yeah again.

842
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: I left the military, you know, retiring from the military

843
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: with nothing but love in my heart for the teams

844
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: and the people. I actually was sad about leaving the military,

845
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: not because I was leaving the job, but because I

846
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: always felt like there's more to give back to the

847
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: people that were so good to me. I will tell

848
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: you that, Like right now, at my desk, I have

849
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: my shadow box. I'm sure that you've seen a million

850
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: shadow boxes in your life. Have you seen a shadow

851
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: box the size of a textbook before?

852
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: No?

853
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got a lot of flak while I

854
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: was in the military. So I kept getting decorations, and

855
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: I assume I deserve, you know, the decorations that I have,

856
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: but they came in such a large amount, maybe because

857
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm Air Force.

858
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: Right.

859
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: They always tease us that we get some decorations other

860
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: people don't put the other ones obviously.

861
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Are you know you deployed.

862
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: Here, you earned them here, you did a great job.

863
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: But I look at it every day and I smile

864
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: with fondness, right, And it's not because I'm happy about

865
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: my accomplishments. My decorations remind me of all the successes

866
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: of the teams, of the people that I work with,

867
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: that I supported, that I gave back to, that I

868
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: poured my life into, you know, endless hours past five pm.

869
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: That's what it reminds me of. And here I'll actually

870
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: show you. It's it's right here bound my back wall.

871
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: It's yeah. And relationships is what you're talking about, my friend.

872
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: You're talking about the relationships that you've built that will

873
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: go with you and them more than gold when we're done.

874
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: This is the actual ever see. Look it's the size

875
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 3: of the textbook.

876
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it is. It is.

877
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh wow, I don't need I don't need to

878
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: do anything more than.

879
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: To look at all that, uh and remember the people.

880
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: That helped me get to the places that I did.

881
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: I didn't become Chief Master Surgeon by myself. I didn't

882
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: earn these decorations. So no, it was a nable and

883
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: I was supported and I did everything I get to

884
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: give back to the people that supported me and in

885
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: my civilian life.

886
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: What's that permanent? Is that permanent? What's that badge on?

887
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: What was the top one the world? The wings? What

888
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: does that looks like jump wings. What is that one? Oh?

889
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a master of public affairs and communications.

890
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, yes, I've seen ones with like the Globe,

891
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: and I've seen some other ones I just hadn't seen.

892
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, because you are a master. Okay, master,

893
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: we're all students. I love it. I love it now,

894
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: you know. I love having these kinds of conversations where

895
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: two people who have never had a word together other

896
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: than an email like, hey, Rad, you should meet JD.

897
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, cool, let's roll with it, you know,

898
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: because your your message, JD is one that I can

899
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: get behind. And I think that others are behind, you know,

900
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: like the salute, the Golf Association, SMGA dot org. They're

901
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: part of the team, right, There's people out there at

902
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: the VA who are part of that team. You're a

903
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: part of the team. You have other people out there. Man.

904
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: I just want to be positive, you know, and just

905
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: say you have someone to reach out to. I don't

906
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 2: want to hear it as an excuse that you didn't

907
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: have anybody to reach out to you Because at Rad

908
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: Rocken on Instagram r A D R O C K

909
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: I N that's my nickname on Instagram ping me say

910
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: what's up? Okay, I'll try to get back to you.

911
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: I will get back to you. I won't let you wait.

912
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, same thing just for LinkedIn.

913
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 3: If you if you type in Jason David on LinkedIn,

914
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: you'll see a picture of me.

915
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: Uh.

916
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm to support anyone and everyone. You don't get paid,

917
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 3: like we don't get you and I don't get paid

918
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 3: to help me as sistems for people. But the payment

919
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: that we get is life right right, we get film.

920
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: So I would say, uh, yeah if you if you

921
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: want to reach out to me on the LinkedIn page.

922
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: I have kind of a cult follow up when it

923
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: comes to VA benefits and uh and associated thing you know,

924
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: veterans deserve and programs that they can get involved in,

925
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: including the things that we talked about today. So yeah,

926
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: I'd love to connect with people in the future. But

927
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: I'm more happier that you and.

928
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: I I am too. I'm so excited. I Martin at

929
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: soft Rep was like rad link up with JD. So

930
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: shout out to Martin. These are people behind the scenes

931
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: of my team. Right here, I am on the face

932
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: of it, but there's people behind me that are just

933
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: making sure that this thing goes off, and I want

934
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: to give them a shout out, like Anton and Martin

935
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: and Brandon Webb, Okay and Guy and all the people

936
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: that are running the load out room like it's behind

937
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: the scenes and I just jump on and I get

938
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: to just like show up the shot show and all

939
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: these places and they're like, hey, it's rad. It's rad. Yeah.

940
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: But I have a bigger purpose, and that's to represent

941
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: the team, and the team feels that that's me, and

942
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna steward that as best I can. So in

943
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: this life, I can't pay for the past that has happened.

944
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: But all I can do is move forward and be

945
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: a good steward of what I have at my disposal,

946
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: and that's paying it forward, being kind to others, you know,

947
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: and boxing training myself to not have to be kind,

948
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: but I like to be kind.

949
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Rand Before I close out, I know that I said that.

950
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: My favorite old adage is that life is a teams

951
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: for it right, So that one I think applies to

952
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: humans in general and how we need to support each

953
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 3: other or we're talking about selves. I've got one more

954
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: for you. It's a it's a lady. I actually give

955
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: me one second. I actually have it here.

956
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: What a great episode this has been. I just want

957
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: to say thanks so much to Jake.

958
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: So there was my mentor, her name is Joy. Said, right,

959
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: she's the most powerful woman I've ever met, my wife.

960
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: And I only mean that. It's like, say to say

961
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: her name again, it broke up Joy.

962
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: She's the chief master and uh say, she's the most

963
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: powerful one I know because she has the most amount

964
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: of anger she's pulled in. I used to sledge tammer

965
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: Barbie because she's just just amazing, amazing as a person.

966
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: Sledge hammer Barbie.

967
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: A lot of power behind that woman, and I love that.

968
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: During during our deployment to her back or not to Afghanistan,

969
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: we we deployed together to both places. U he gave

970
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: me a team of marines, of men, of soldiers, and

971
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: of saviors. Literally I had every service like the skittles.

972
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 3: I had the rainbow of different military witches. And she said, hey, Jadi,

973
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: I said, okay, well this is going to be scary,

974
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: right because I'm an enforced guy, right, so let's let's joint.

975
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: Let's leave this joint operation. And she gave me a

976
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: feedback for him, and that's pretty common in the military.

977
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: Here are my expectations and these are the things that

978
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: I want you to do. She didn't write anything on

979
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: that form except for one message she said, because I

980
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: told her I didn't think I have the confidence to

981
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: do it. She said, there are opportunities every challenge, right,

982
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: and so, uh, I actually have this. This is her

983
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: quote on it. The senior andations I worked for that

984
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: supported me throughout my uh my last term. They actually

985
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: made this for me when they made me kind of

986
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: a name plate as but I had said quote so

987
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: many flames that it got into their brains. And I

988
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: really do think that that was the most powerful thing

989
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: she told me a lot of times where I didn't

990
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: want to wake up. There's a lot of times I

991
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 3: didn't want to keep going. But the words are opportunities

992
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: and the challenge. Thank you that it doesn't matter what

993
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: doors closed. A window doesn't have to open.

994
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: You could just.

995
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: Knock wall down, Like why even right there, I can

996
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: make your own exactly.

997
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like just okay, just just move on

998
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: from that and just move on to something else, just

999
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: like you can't get kick moved, go around it, like

1000
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: do what shortz cough data desert storms and storing around.

1001
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: If the nineteen eighties kool Aid man can through a wall.

1002
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: I am bro no problem. Huh, kool Aid's up. It's

1003
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: so true. Broh the kool Aid guy broke through the

1004
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: wall again.

1005
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: Do some random you know, pull up glass and yeah,

1006
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1007
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: So I love it. I love And her name was

1008
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: is it the way Josephine? Is that what the name was?

1009
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: Joy joseph Okay, I just want to make sure there's

1010
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of a squelch on that name, So

1011
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: I just wanted to get it out there, so she

1012
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: had her name, Okay, perfect. Well Look, look I want

1013
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: to let my listener know that again we're out here

1014
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: for you. It's not just us. There's people around you

1015
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: that are there that love you, probably more than I

1016
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: can love you. Okay. Someone might have even nursed you

1017
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: while you're a baby. Go talk to that person and say, mom,

1018
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: I got a question. You know, And if you never

1019
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: served in the military and you still got issues, do

1020
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. It doesn't have to be it's not

1021
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: military specific. It's just that it happens to affect a

1022
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: lot of people in the military with all the things

1023
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: that they are put through and see and you know, war,

1024
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: as they say, is hell. And so a lot of

1025
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: folks see things that I don't see. And I might

1026
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: see someone crying in the corner, and I might not

1027
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: understand how they're coping with whatever they're coming with. But

1028
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's how the human

1029
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: copes with whatever that person saw. That person over there,

1030
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 2: who's who's whim he's whimpering because that's how you would

1031
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: be if you saw what that person saw. So we

1032
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: can't make fun of that person. You can only embrace

1033
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: that person. That's right. So someone with shell shock, we've

1034
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: seen them in the movies. They sit there and they

1035
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: just shake and they have like the solid That's how

1036
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: the human body reacts to what they dealt with. Okay,

1037
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: it's not we can't. We don't know, like we only

1038
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: know like, hey, McDonald's drive through, you know, but once

1039
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: McDonald's drives through, gets blown up with the hypersonic missile

1040
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: and you at to drive through and that's changed your

1041
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: life forever.

1042
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, life, life, life is different after war. I'll tell

1043
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: you that in my experience, we're bringing out the absolute

1044
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: worst in people for aggression. So people who go against

1045
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: each other in war, but it also brings out very

1046
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: best in people during recovery. So the different phases of

1047
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: change man even are very similar to the different phases

1048
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: of arm inflict. Right, and you could be at your

1049
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: worst when you need to be, but when people need you.

1050
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I love it. And you know what,

1051
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you for almost an hour of

1052
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: time right now. Okay, we've crossed the fifty minute threshold.

1053
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: It could go on it no, no, no, it's usually

1054
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: an hour, brother, I got no problem. It could go two,

1055
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: four or five. This is a very important subject. But

1056
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I want to let

1057
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: you know that I really am grateful to have met

1058
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: you today. I'm a better person after having this conversation

1059
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: and meeting you, and I thank you for raising your

1060
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: hand and re enlisting all those many times.

1061
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will tell you if there is something I

1062
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: could get across two folks that are on the outside

1063
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: with me now. I think programs don't change unless you

1064
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: speak up right. The surveys that they have at the

1065
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: end of every medical appointment, the options like you know,

1066
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: the little chain box email addresses for your senators and

1067
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 3: your Congressman, those are all sources for you if things

1068
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: don't go the way that you want. So I know

1069
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: that there's a lot of conflict around community care on

1070
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: the VA, certain region community care better. Ving will never

1071
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: know and it's not their fault, right, the VA will

1072
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: never know that the terrans are not feeling one hundred

1073
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: percent supported unless you right, say, here's some feedback. My

1074
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: wife always giving me grief because if I go to

1075
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: a steakhouse and it comes back just like still moving

1076
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: at me, even though I ask for medium, literally all

1077
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: the waiter back and say, hey, can you cook this

1078
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: again for me? And can you tell the cook that

1079
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: this is definitely not medium? And she says, well, hopefully

1080
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: they don't spit it. And I said, well, if I

1081
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: was the cook, I wouldn't want to know what I'm

1082
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: doing right and what I'm doing wrong. That way I

1083
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: can get it right next time. Right. So again, if

1084
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: life the team is mantra of the hour, right, you

1085
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: need to do everything we can help each other.

1086
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: You know. And again it goes with saying, there's this

1087
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: radio station I listen to here in Utah all the time.

1088
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: It's an alternative radio station, like you know nine snails

1089
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: and stuff. But they said, you want to hear what's

1090
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: on the radio, log on and send it to us

1091
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: and let us know. This is why we play. What

1092
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: we play is because of what you request. If you

1093
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: don't request it, they're just gonna play whatever they think.

1094
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: So if you want to hear something, you can, you

1095
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: can submit it to them on their form and say, hey,

1096
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: what happened. You guys are going off the rails with

1097
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: your you know, your format. They might say, oh, we

1098
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: are going off the rails with our format. So the

1099
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: same thing with the VA. It's like if you don't

1100
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: reply to your surveys. If you're in the military and

1101
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: you get a survey, you should probably fill out the survey.

1102
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of people feel like there might be like,

1103
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, retribution for filling out a survey. Right, Oh,

1104
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: it's going to go back to my you know, my

1105
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: E nine and he's going to look at it and

1106
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: know that it came for me, even though it says anonymous. Right,

1107
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: there is this like trust factor right to like be honest, like, oh, hey,

1108
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: you know I am having a hard time in the military.

1109
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write that on my memo on my survey.

1110
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: Just be honest. Is that what you're saying?

1111
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so it's funny. I know we're up

1112
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: the whole hour. But if I could get if I

1113
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: could change one wisdom because a holder now, right, and

1114
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: I've been there and I've done that, if I could

1115
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: share one one pearl of wisdom that helped me become

1116
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: successful in that what I thought was successful in my

1117
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: military career to reach you know, the rank that I

1118
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: did in the position that I did. You know, for

1119
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: the end, confidence, right is yours to control.

1120
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: Right.

1121
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: It's not an attribute that is given to you. It's

1122
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 3: not one that you were born with. You might think

1123
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: that you're confident, right, but that's self manufacturer. There's no

1124
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: such thing as confidence being like a factor on your body.

1125
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: Like you you have muscles, right, that's a fact, right.

1126
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 3: And we run a certain distance in the time, that's

1127
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: a fact.

1128
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1129
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: Your level of confidence between one and ten that you

1130
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: can't quantify that unless you do it yoursel. So if

1131
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: you own situations, and this is the kind of the

1132
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: long story I'm getting to the point I'm trying to say,

1133
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: if you own your dent being accomplished almost anything, there's

1134
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: some science, you know, some loose science studies on YouTube

1135
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: of guys that were construction had and have like folders

1136
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: in their hand. They just walk into constants because they

1137
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: look like construction workers, but they walk with purpose and

1138
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: no one says a word to them. I tried that

1139
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: in the middle right, I was I think it was

1140
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 3: an EPHO or E five and I had heard that

1141
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: that was a you know, a study that was being

1142
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: done and I wanted to see if it applied to

1143
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: the period. So in the force, maybe not all services.

1144
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: We have blue folders for everything because the color blue,

1145
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: it's like a dark navy blue. And then you have

1146
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: red folders for things that seemed right, things were like,

1147
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: oh don't tell anyone, or it's got privileged information like

1148
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: medical stuff. So I just walked round the base with

1149
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: a red folder and with a stern look on my

1150
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 3: face like this for hours and I'm a lingered, just

1151
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: like my lunch period, and no one said a word

1152
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: to me, you know what I mean, because I walked. Yeah,

1153
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: I just walked there with purpose. And so then then

1154
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: I applied it to real life, you know, after this,

1155
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, loose loosely. My boss was me because I

1156
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: was late to work for ten minutes and so, knowing

1157
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: that I didn't try to make an excuses, walk right,

1158
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: walk into the building, and pasted everyone else to say

1159
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: a word to anyone, walk right to her office before

1160
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 3: she had the ability to say anything or talk about

1161
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: to me. I said, man, wait, I'm not just kind

1162
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: of I'm like tens, I need to own this and

1163
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, And yes, exactly, you think I got in trouble.

1164
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: I love that I.

1165
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: Did not, because I owned the situation to the best

1166
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: of my ability.

1167
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I promised play first place in baseball. It's hit

1168
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: me right now, let's just get this inning over with.

1169
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: Hit it to me. I'd say it because we'd say

1170
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: hey bad about a bad a batter, and I wouldn't

1171
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: say hey bad about her. Yeah, I would say hit

1172
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: it to first base. Hit it to me because I

1173
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: believe that I could stop whatever came my way. The confidence, right,

1174
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It's not on me, like you're right,

1175
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: it's like, where was I going to catch that? I

1176
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: had to make myself stay in front of that ball,

1177
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: get in front of it. That's right, that's right, that's right.

1178
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 3: Ability to want to live, to be motivated to help others,

1179
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: it's all internally manufactured. And so I love that you're

1180
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: out here making lives better for people. I love that

1181
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: you're sharing information and helping maybe just add a little

1182
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: bit of motivation to their cup per day.

1183
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: That's right, right, part of that cup. And I really

1184
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: appreciate it, dude, I really do. Thank you for the

1185
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: kind words earlier in the show. And I'm gonna I'm

1186
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: gonna revel in that today and go around saying, hey,

1187
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: somebody was nice to me, and I'm gonna be nice

1188
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: to others and pay it forward. So it's just gonna

1189
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: go like that, you know. And boy, I had this,

1190
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: I had this Navy seal on His name is Don Man,

1191
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: and he has the Man Don Man's webs I can't

1192
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: remember exactly his uh his website, but he has the

1193
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: demand mission, and uh, it's do something kind once a day,

1194
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: try to donate to a charity, you know, once a week.

1195
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: Uh you know, exercise for your mental health, uh you know,

1196
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 2: and your body and physically read a book or excuse me,

1197
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: physically work out and read a book for mental health.

1198
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: Just those four things kind of help you, you know,

1199
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: maybe breathe a little bit. So I'm going to choose

1200
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: the kindness today, easy my friend.

1201
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: Again, thanks for having me on the show today, and

1202
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 3: I hope I can be a member of support of

1203
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: your team going forward to additional episode, especially if you

1204
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: want to talk to me and someone else, we can

1205
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: double time and oh double support whatever it is that

1206
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: you want.

1207
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: You're too easy. I would love to have you back

1208
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: on the show. Just you know. We'll even talk a

1209
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: little bit offline here in just a second, and I'll

1210
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: peeing your brain give you a couple ideas of what

1211
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: I can even help you do if you have some

1212
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: more things to say. And with that, with that, I

1213
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: had Jason David, retired Chief mass serge at the United

1214
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: States Air Force in his lane. All right, A young

1215
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: a young one, all right, and still looking good. You're

1216
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: still looking good, all right. The haircut looks great. You

1217
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: look great. And you know, I just want to say,

1218
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: if you have any questions, hit up the VA hit

1219
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: up nine to eight eight, which is the VAS suicide hotline.

1220
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 2: And if you're thinking about hurting yourself, go get a tattoo,

1221
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: all right. If you're really thinking about hurt yourself, go

1222
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: get a tattoo, Go get what done. All right, there's

1223
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: some pain for you all right, Otherwise you're leaving us

1224
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: alone without you, and we need you. And you may

1225
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: not think that, but mother effort, don't do it. It

1226
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: ain't even funny, okay. So we love you, And with

1227
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: that on behalf of myself and all the other veterans

1228
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: that work at soft Rep who have lost friends to

1229
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: this horrible disease of choice. Boy, I just want to

1230
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: say we love you, okay, and I'm going to say

1231
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: thank you for listening to the show, and I hope

1232
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: that we've inspired you to stick around a little longer

1233
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: to listen.

1234
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: To the next show. And with that on behalf of

1235
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: my guest JD. I say peace, you've been

1236
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: Listening to self repudia