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Speaker 1: We got a call right here at Hey. Amen, you there?

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? We're on the phone with Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl's a friend of mine and she lives What city

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Speaker 1: do you live in?

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Speaker 2: Atlanta?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: She's in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Where did you live in Atlanta area? Where'd you live?

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Speaker 4: I lived all over in Lanta growing up here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: Was living in the East Atlanta area. Today I was arrested, okay?

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Speaker 1: And where were your murders? That were Were they in

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Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta or another city?

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Speaker 4: One of them was in in Alasta, No, getting to

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Speaker 4: be cater. One was in the Stone Mountain, Georgia, And

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Speaker 4: actually another one was also in Downside at Lato.

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Speaker 2: Two were definitely in Atlanta, I know that Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: One in Decatur, one in Stone Mountain.

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Speaker 4: You broke up just for a minute. I knew what that.

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Speaker 1: You sound better now?

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Speaker 2: And Decatur and Stone Mountain or in the same county.

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Speaker 2: So that's why he would go to the Camp County court.

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Speaker 1: So, Cheryl, do you want to ask I'm in questions

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Speaker 1: or do you want me to interview? How do you

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Speaker 1: want to do this?

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Speaker 2: Either way, it's fine with me. I just can he

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Speaker 2: hear me? Because I can hear him?

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Speaker 4: Beautiful work?

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Speaker 2: Can you hear, Cheryl Amen? I just want to tell

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Speaker 2: you personally how much I appreciate this and the detective

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Speaker 2: that interviewed you for six hours. Detective David Quinn is

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Speaker 2: a friend of mine, and about seven point thirty he's

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Speaker 2: going to call in too, And I don't think the

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Speaker 2: two of y'all have spoken since the interview. Correct, that's correct, Okay,

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Speaker 2: But he is a super nice guy, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I know that he just wants to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: and you know you can talk back to him and

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Speaker 2: just talk about that night that he interviewed you and

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Speaker 2: how your life is going now and what you're trying

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Speaker 2: to do to help people. But I just again, I'm

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Speaker 2: Cheryl and my friends call me Mack, But I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to tell you I appreciate what you're doing. It

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Speaker 2: just I think is going to be an credible just

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Speaker 2: not just an episode on a podcast. I think it's

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Speaker 2: bigger than that. I think you've got information people need

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Speaker 2: to hear. And I'm just grateful and I just wanted

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Speaker 2: you to know that.

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Speaker 4: And I'm glad thank you for sharing it with me,

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Speaker 4: and I'm glad that I could be of assistance. And

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Speaker 4: since I behind the scenes of the chrimes that I've

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Speaker 4: committed in my life, I do try to do the

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Speaker 4: right thing with my life. I did try to seak

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Speaker 4: a professional path other than a crime and violence soul.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that I can help the world to be

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Speaker 4: a better place if we can learn about violence than

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Speaker 4: it to help the world to be less violent.

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Speaker 2: Well aiming, Presley, I tell you if you would just

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Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about your childhood, tell us

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Speaker 2: we'll just go from there when you got into acting,

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Speaker 2: and then what happened when you moved back to Atlanta

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Speaker 4: When I was born, I grew up in Chicago, Inner

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Speaker 4: grew up in a populous home. My father wasn't there.

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Speaker 4: I was an angler child. My mother was a single parrot.

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Speaker 4: than the gang wobers or the drug dealers. That's who

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Speaker 4: I frought to so at a young age. At the

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Speaker 4: age of twelve, I was learning how to sell drugs.

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Speaker 4: Age of twelve, I was learning how to carry guns.

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Speaker 4: At the age of thirteen, I was joining the gag.

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Speaker 4: At the age of of thirteen fourteen, I was seating guns,

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Speaker 4: order to try to save my life. My mother after

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Speaker 4: So Atlanta was jangland now, but back in the nineties,

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Speaker 4: But when we first moved down here, I actually got works.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't gang banging, but crime is everywhere, So I

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Speaker 4: and I didn't finish high school. I did barely to

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Speaker 4: just keep my ged. But as a teenager, I was,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know anything else, but it was nothing else

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Speaker 4: hang it up in a lot of programs, a lot

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Speaker 4: tried to Jordan Marines. I should have been. I think

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Speaker 4: charge from the United States on Force working honorable discharge

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Speaker 4: under something called a psychotic personality. Before that was when

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Speaker 4: acting career in Atlanta. I actually took a class with

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Speaker 4: I was signed with one of atlanta top agencies called

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Speaker 4: play the role of FoST natural ABC to what would

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Speaker 4: you do? Some people may be familiar with that. I

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Speaker 4: did a Popwave's chicken commercial. I was on BT on

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Speaker 4: likeul crime was basically selling little bit, draw selling little bit.

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Speaker 4: We just trying to survive, pay for acting classes, play

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Speaker 4: I returned to Atlanta in twenty fourteen. At this point,

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Speaker 4: But once I bought the gun and I got back

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Speaker 4: after the UH. After the UH, I was after the murders.

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Speaker 4: I commit that that that that I'm doing time for.

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Speaker 2: Now, can you tell us a little bit about the murders?

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Speaker 4: What would you like to know, like exactly what?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: I understand that you had a gun and you were

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Speaker 2: an instant you switched from wanting money to I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So so so aiman, let me ask you a quick question.

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Speaker 1: How much time do you have tonight? How long can

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Speaker 4: I can be on full, I can be on for

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Speaker 4: a while.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Tell tell them. Tell Tell the story how you

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Speaker 1: that whole story when it first clicked on you. That's

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Speaker 1: what she's asking, like, when you decided, like I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to rob someone, I'm gonna kill someone, Go ahead

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Speaker 1: and start that story of what happened.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, there was a night I was actually on

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Speaker 4: I was I was actually supposed to be robbing a

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Speaker 4: No, not that gentleman, the guy that was around the

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Speaker 2: And this is a question that I've always had that

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Speaker 4: When I got arrested and I heard a guy say this,

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Speaker 4: He said, Yo, all these people always go to prison,

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Speaker 4: when they go to prison, they want to be good. Now.

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Speaker 4: When the hat the day that the handcuffs got placed

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Speaker 4: is if the terrible God in me to do that

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Speaker 2: Okay, the devil's work is done right, right, That's kind

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Speaker 4: What it was like. Because and here's the thing, right,

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Speaker 4: It's the way I was raised, Marxus, those guylan ambitions

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Speaker 4: Like taking the life of a homeless man while he's speaking.

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Speaker 4: So now if they came to me right now, I

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Speaker 4: think I'd be great at But I think but I

435
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: would be doing that. I'm still capable of doing that,

436
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: but I would be doing it more and so because

437
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 4: just like I'm doing this, and if because more so,

438
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 4: I'm doing that to protect the country, to protect our

439
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: families and children. In love was here versus hurting ncent people,

440
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 4: which is criminal, which is troumorable, which is what I

441
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 4: was blinded to.

442
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here thinking for Benning trained you to kill,

443
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: and everybody's okay with that, But you training yourself to kill,

444
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 2: That's a whole different animal.

445
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Speaker 4: And here's another thing. Being in prison the last ten towards,

446
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 4: these last eleven years that I've been gone, I've seen

447
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: enough bloodshed, stabbings, people getting killed, like almost what is

448
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 4: to the point where where your appetite can be can

449
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 4: be satiated? You get what I'm saying, like, I've had enough.

450
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Speaker 1: Your last victim, you're walking around you almost killed, almost killed,

451
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: almost and you're killed. Your last fing was different than

452
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: all the others. Talk about that real quick.

453
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Speaker 4: I do want to say these first, I'm not racist.

454
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 4: I'm an African American male. I get cheering us about race.

455
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: I really I don't understand racism thousands of heels ago,

456
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: one hundred years ago, whatever. But so I'm not racist.

457
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: I could care on us about that. All white people

458
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: have helped me, wanting black people have helped me and

459
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: and everything my life back. But I was going to

460
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: ask them and stuff like that. And so here's the thing.

461
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: I was in l A one time and I was

462
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 4: committ in life for crime, and I was out one

463
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 4: night and I was looking to rob some people and

464
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: this and that in l A. And I got on

465
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Speaker 4: a bus and I heard two sisters on the bus say, yeah,

466
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 4: we uh we we ganged banging on each other. We

467
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: were we robbed to kill other. We don't go out

468
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Speaker 4: and uh, we don't go to the devil yeels. We

469
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: don't go to the white people area, and we don't

470
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Speaker 4: go out get u you know, uh rodeo and stuff

471
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 4: like that. And I was like, well, damn, I kind

472
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: of feel bad. And it's like I on a rock

473
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 4: and tell and I was like, well, I guess I'm

474
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Speaker 4: going to white head And it did. It wasn't that

475
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 4: I wanted to hurt white people. It's just I don't

476
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 4: want to hurn them all that people. I know it's wrong.

477
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 4: So here it is. Years later, I'll crime by into

478
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: we loanful and I find myself on a panth or

479
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: crime uh uh interested knowing I just wasn't enlightened enough

480
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 4: to do anything better, and so rial I am. I'm

481
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: looking for somebody. One night, I got a carrio on

482
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 4: more Me I'm looking for somebody. I need extra hundred

483
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 4: two hundred fifty dollars on a gum just I can

484
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: go take your money, you know, and uh turping me out.

485
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 4: I'm looking for a gentleman. I didn't believe it really

486
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 4: hurting women in the future. And so I'm not walking

487
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: through the downtown of the cater area when I'm on

488
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 4: the eastbound train and I'm thinking I'm gonna get off

489
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: in the Cato somewhere on the east the Ladder area,

490
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 4: and uh, the same way on wait, this is us now,

491
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: I hear sisters, So we blame females sign in la

492
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 4: on said black people with chillingch other. We we game

493
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: bang on each other. We hurt each other, but we

494
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: don't go to door veal, we don't go to done

495
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Speaker 4: with it. Well, we don't go to brook here. We

496
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: just hurt each other. And I was like, and that's

497
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: the second time I heard that in two different cities

498
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 4: on the toe out sides of the country. And I'll

499
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: begin to wonder, maybe guardian, baby, it's a guardian. Maybe

500
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be a Maybe I'm supposed to take

501
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 4: on robin hood and tall me. But it made me

502
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 4: feel like, okay, well, I don't want to rob and

503
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 4: kill it anymore. I hurt anymore black people. If I'm

504
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: going to do this, I'm not gonna do it to

505
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: my own people. I guess I'll go in the white community,

506
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: go in the white area, and find somebody white rock.

507
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 4: And so I got off him downtown to Kaga and

508
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: that decay the train station. I was walking through the

509
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: cake when I did the older white gentleman walking walking

510
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: coming from one of the bars from downtown decayed. They

511
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: got a lot of I used to go in fee

512
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: those bars and drink, and he looked like he probably

513
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: grove a nice car. I had a real money in

514
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 4: the pocket and I had the fire on one, and

515
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: I will be honest, I did plan the rock one,

516
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 4: planning to chill now.

517
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Speaker 5: Once I saw him, I was like, okay, on points,

518
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna seduce him once I

519
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 5: get the money, then I'm gonna unload the revolt into

520
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 5: his head.

521
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: And he was like I had to do that part too.

522
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: I was still like kind of sick, and so as

523
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: I was fallowing behind him, I was trying to catch

524
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: up with him. He escaped into a parking garage, well,

525
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: the parking guards in the downtown, the cater area, and

526
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: so I didn't think it was a good idea to

527
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: follow behind him because of the lights in Tropert Town.

528
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: So he got away and he got his car. I

529
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: guess he went home. So I can see him walking

530
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: around downtown to Canada looking for somebody to rob it

531
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 4: before a victory went home and I saw, uh this

532
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 4: treers the victim and last dicking in my case. I

533
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: saw her walking down the street on beautiful white he man.

534
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: You know, he's walking down the street. And the first

535
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: thing that crossed my mind is I saw her walking

536
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: in my direction and I'm walking in her direction. It's

537
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: like she doesn't see me. I had on all black,

538
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: it was jogged course on Curdis ship. She didn't see

539
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 4: me till I got close. But I told myself in

540
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 4: my mind, I said, okay, I told myself I was

541
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 4: going through rob her. But I told myself not to

542
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: cure her because she was a woman. I really didn't

543
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: believe I heard the when tilS it. So I said,

544
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 4: I'm a little robber because she's white, that I'm not

545
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 4: gonna kill her because she's a woman. And so I

546
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: approached her. She saw me when I when I got close,

547
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: she pulled her. She was very brave. The woman was

548
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: super break She pulled the car keys out. I thought

549
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: she had a knife at first. First I thought she

550
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: had a gun. Then I thought it was a knight.

551
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 4: I saw some car keys and she said, what do

552
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: you want? Yeah, really aggressive like I've seen men buncle.

553
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: Indeed more candice than that. She was literally brave. And

554
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: so when I pulled the gun out, of course there's

555
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 4: a woman. She sees this food, the big, big gun,

556
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: and of course they kind of deterred her. So I

557
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: was like, get on ground right now. She got on

558
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: the deal, co operate and I told her to give

559
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 4: me a whandy. She gets, give me a whanded. And

560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 4: I was getting up to walk away from her. I

561
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: did not premeditate or planet to to work. And I

562
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: got up and began to walk away, and just on

563
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: my amfuse, just I just turned around. The shot in

564
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: the chest and when I hear the kind of gun

565
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: I had as a four or five revolver with hollow

566
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: point rhymes drowns on hollow point, powerful revolval. The round

567
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 4: went through her, through her, through her, courts, over area

568
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: they say one through her art came out of her back,

569
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 4: make God forgive me. But she she didn't even die

570
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: right away like the other victims died like right away.

571
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: She didn't even die right away. She just looked down.

572
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: She clinched her stomach and she looked down. She was like,

573
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: oh my God, and she looked back up at me

574
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: with the eye contact. She's just looking at me like,

575
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: oh my god, right, did you just shoot me? And

576
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: then she just kept looking at me like oh my God.

577
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: And I just walked away, like the coward I was

578
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: the night. I just walked away and I didn't realize

579
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: that though. I just walked away, and I just heard

580
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: her say oh my God through more frank times, and then,

581
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: you know, like the last time, oh my God, deep

582
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: with my heart. I began to get sick at the stomach.

583
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: I began to get noncious. I started to throw well

584
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: because I knew, sure did I knew I had just

585
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: killed woman flip first woman, and I didn't believe in that.

586
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: Hey, amen, I want to cut you off just for

587
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: a second, So I'm just going to conclude this part.

588
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, Aman Pressley, Thank you so much for

589
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: your open and honest, just assessment of what happened in

590
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: your life. I appreciate it. I just know you're going

591
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: to be able to help people what you and feel

592
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: are doing your training law enforcement, and that's going to

593
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: help prevent and detect some of these crimes. So thank

594
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: you again, and I am going to end Zone seven

595
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: the way that I always do with a quote it

596
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: takes a village to raise a child. Well, the village

597
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: that raised me were criminals, gang bangers, killers and murderers.

598
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: Amen Presley, serial killer. I'm Cheryl a column and this

599
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: is Zone seven. Mm hmm