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Speaker 1: I don't there's there's not another person that puts in

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Speaker 1: hunting whitetail deer than Rusty Johnson. So we have a

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Speaker 1: let's get to the conversation with old Rusty Johnson, the

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Speaker 1: this is uh, this has probably been a long time

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Speaker 1: been an influential figure in my white tail world for sure. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We were just Kobe. We were just looking at that

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Speaker 1: two thousand seven. You how long have you scored for

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Speaker 1: at uh what was the name of that sporting good

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Speaker 1: But now, hey, Kolbe, this guy is a very good

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite three days to hunt? Favorite three days? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit more predictable. Like is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: I would I would have to totally agree with those dates.

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Speaker 1: remember any of that? Because I know, okay, I just

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Speaker 1: was done I don't know, ten twelve years ago maybe

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Speaker 1: I want to say November the fifth through like November eight,

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Speaker 1: It's a different than looking at a map than putting

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Speaker 1: boots on the ground. In all Season, I put boots

427
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: on the ground and I look at every square inch.

428
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Then I go back and I look at my mop

429
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm thinking, I'm putting everything together. It's like

430
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: pieces of a puzzle and you look at it and

431
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: you think, you know that deer is traveling this direction.

432
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: I've been hunting over here. I move around a lot,

433
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: just like yesterday. I was in the stand all day long.

434
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: I saw one really nice, really nice eight point, but

435
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: it's the spot I've never hunted. I had never hunted

436
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: this particular spot, and uh Rusting had some game cameras

437
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: in there. My son and he said, can you go

438
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: pull the cards out of that? And I said, well,

439
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: I guess after I get down from this. I was

440
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: hunting a different area and it was already dark. I

441
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: go in there. I check a lot of cameras at night,

442
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: I mean, because I hunt daylight, were dark if I'm

443
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: checking cameras during hunting season, it's at night, and a

444
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: lot of times in the summer, i'll go at night.

445
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 1: I won't get into all that right yet. But um so,

446
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: this spot yesterday is a spot I had never hunted before.

447
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: I like to move around a lot. We got a

448
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: lot of different places and we've got them all mapped out,

449
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: We've got them all pinned on on X and I've

450
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: got trees picked out already. I hunt a lot out

451
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: of a climber space flee on public. There's a lot

452
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: of mature timber, and you have good trees to climb

453
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: with the climber, and it's really mobile. You don't have

454
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: to put up a lock owner whatever you know. And

455
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: I do carry lock owns into and put them up

456
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: and then take them down when I use them. But

457
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah, this spot, your study spot I've never even

458
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: hunted before. Wow. Yeah, yeah, Pretty saw Us had some

459
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: cameras in there. He had some good bucks on camera,

460
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: and uh so I said, I'm gonna go in there

461
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: and hunt. He's like, well, we've never even been in

462
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: there hunting before. And I'm like, well, there's deer and

463
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: there we got We've got videos to cameras. Two questions

464
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: I've got. I want to talk about moving stands. I

465
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: want to ask you a personal question. But but before that,

466
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: how are you getting pictures of bucks? Because I know

467
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: you're not using feed or any kind of scent attracting

468
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: or anything in these places you're hunting. How are you

469
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: getting pictures of bucks? Uh? A lot on scrapes. You know,

470
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: deer run scrapes a lot at night. Yeah, a lot

471
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: of that activity at night. And that's and if you'll

472
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: notice on our page, a lot of our videos are

473
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: at night of bucks running scrapes. And that's not necessarily

474
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: where we're gonna hunt. Where we're getting a good place

475
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: to get inventory. It's it's a good place to get inventory.

476
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Is is primary scrapes and Uh, that's where we get

477
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: a lot especially well, actually, we get a lot of

478
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: our content as far as buck inventory on scrapes year round.

479
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: We have cameras on scrapes year round. It's not just

480
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: they work on year round. I don't care if it's July.

481
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: We've got bucks running scrap uh, working scrapes with velvet.

482
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean they work on year round. Man, I left

483
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: a camera out last year, Um and it just so happened.

484
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: You know. I changed the batteries like late winter, and

485
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: I just was like, I just leave it up, and

486
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: it was over scraped, incredible pictures of all stages of

487
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: antler growth. Those dear work in it, like putting their

488
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: scent on that licking branch. I don't I don't necessarily know.

489
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: I saw him paw on the ground. Do you see them?

490
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: They're mainly working the licking bround and especially in the summertime.

491
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: They won't pull the ground you seldom, but I palled

492
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: the ground for him. I get that good, the soul

493
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: of a roma coming up and stuff, and uh, I

494
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: go ahead and brake it out and stuff. But you

495
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: won't ever see them. But they even in velvet, they'll

496
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: they'll put their antlers up in those licking branches and

497
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: stuff and work them good. I mean, we've got hundreds

498
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: and hundreds of videos. I said, just yes. A couple

499
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: of days ago, I made a post and I was

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00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: sitting over a scrape. It was October the twenty or fifth,

501
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: and uh, and I made mention it was like an

502
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Instagram story and I may mention I was sitting over

503
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: a scrape. And after I said it, I wanted to

504
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: come back and qualify my scrape idea. And that's like,

505
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: and it's this, I'm not setting over that scrape hoping

506
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: to kill a buck working that scrape. Now he might

507
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: do that. I'm I was setting in that spot because

508
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: that was an area that that's a travel area, and

509
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: bucks make primary scrapes in travel areas. I mean, it's

510
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a it's a scrape that's designed to communicate to the

511
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: whole dear herd. And so they're gonna put that scrape

512
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: not in some obscure place. They're gonna put it in

513
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: a in a place that there's a lot of travel,

514
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: a lot of movement, And so you're hunting there not

515
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: for the scrape, but for the reason that the scrape

516
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: is there. That's a travel area. And because there used

517
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: to be this idea that old bucks checking his scrapes

518
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: as if he's gonna go out of his normal routine

519
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: to go check a scrape, like like as if that

520
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: buck put a scrape in like a weird spot that

521
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: he usually wouldn't go to. No, you know, And I

522
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: think that's also I believe a lot of bucks check

523
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: scrapes and not even go up to the scrape Yeah,

524
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll go down into that scrape. It

525
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: may be fifty yards and they'll they'll checked that scrape,

526
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: but they won't be on that scrape. So that that

527
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: comes into some you know, hunting strategy right there, and

528
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: that goes back to the like on the sides of

529
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: heels and stuff. I mean that I think a lot

530
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: of people are missing. I'll put a camera on a scrape,

531
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: and I also go down you know a lot of

532
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: times scrapes on top of a ridge or whatever. I'll

533
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: go down below that scrape and find some of those

534
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: real damn trails and put another trail camera out. But

535
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: since trail cameras have come up, that's a lot of

536
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: our strategy right there. We run trail cameras three hundred

537
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: and sixty five days a year, and we run a

538
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: lot of them, and I mean we spend a lot

539
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: of time, and that tells it tells a big story

540
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, you know, there's a place that I

541
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: hunt that is so it's it's super tough to hunt.

542
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got a bunch of trail cameras

543
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: out over there, and I've almost decided that I'm just

544
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: happy getting good camera pictures of deer over there. And

545
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even worried if I ever kill a deer there,

546
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: just because it's so much fun getting pictures of these deer.

547
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: But now and in that place, I leave cameras out

548
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: pretty much year round as well, and have been learning

549
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. Okay, here's here's where I was wanting

550
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: to go back to you with. Is Okay, here's a

551
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: question that a guy would have. He hunts in a

552
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: place more let's just say morning and evening. Maybe he

553
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: doesn't sit the whole day, you know, he gets down

554
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: and he sees moderate deer activity or or maybe not

555
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: much deer activity. But he's got a lot of confidence

556
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: in the spot because of sign because of the data

557
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: he's gathered about this spot. It's the it's it's prime time.

558
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like, right now, do you move to another spot?

559
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: But let me build, let me build the case Even

560
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: bigger is that James Lawrence, my old hunting buddy down

561
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the wash Toalls, that's kind of a master mountain deer hunter.

562
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: He he's had this philosophy for years and uh and

563
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: he said he likes to hunt a spot three days

564
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: from daylight till dark. And he says, if you do that,

565
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you'll kill a deer. And he realized that now that

566
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: there may be that's not always the best way. But

567
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: my other buddy, who is a very good deer hunter

568
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: down in the mountains down there too, I have a

569
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: ton of faith in. He wants to move. He's like Clay.

570
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: If you go into a spot and sit for a

571
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: morning hunt and don't see a deer, get the heck

572
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: out of there and go somewhere else, even if there's

573
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: hot sign. And I mean he he really likes to move,

574
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: and so you know, he capitalizes on this like first time.

575
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he wouldn't hunt a spot over

576
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: and over. I mean he he might, but like if

577
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: he gets skunked, he's moving, and so he's capitalizing on

578
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: this like first time. So he hits it because we

579
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: all know the first time in is often really good.

580
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Where James would be like, find that sign and just

581
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: stick it out. He said, you may not see a

582
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: deer for two days, but on that third day you're

583
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna kill that buck. What do you think? All right,

584
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: So there's a good question. There's people on both sides

585
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: of the fence on this deal. So one of the

586
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: best deer hunters that I know was my dad, and

587
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: he would go along with the three day philosophy, and

588
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I would. That's where I would

589
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: lean towards. I like moving. Uh but I will if

590
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: the sign is good and I know for a fact

591
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: there's good bucks in that area, I'll stick it out. Yeah,

592
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: I will. I mean, that's that's just what I do.

593
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: I see, that's my philosophy to rusty is to try

594
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: to just stick it out and not be validated by

595
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: deer sightings. I mean, like, because man, when you you

596
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: gotta be able to sit through some tough sets to

597
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: kill one. But listen to this, I've been doing that

598
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. I've hunted hard over here,

599
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: and there's been a couple of reasons. I hunted hard early,

600
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: which I usually don't quite as much. But I was

601
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: getting pictures of this a big deer, and I felt

602
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: like I could get him kind of in the pre

603
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: rut on a feeding pattern. I hunted him a lot. Well,

604
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: I I don't know where he's at now. He's not

605
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: anywhere around here that deer I was after. And uh

606
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: so just yesterday, maybe this is a good time to

607
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: tell my story. I just was like, I'm getting out

608
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: of here. I'm going to a totally new place. And

609
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: so I did that, drove over to another property I

610
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: have access to, hunt, went in there, hung my tree

611
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: saddle in a brand new spot. And that's the spot

612
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: I had a lot of history with. Don't have a

613
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: single camera up over there. I mean, I don't mess

614
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: with this far much just because of the I just

615
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: go over there and hunt and I and I scout,

616
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: and but I have twenty years of history, so I

617
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of knew where I wanted to go. Climb the tree.

618
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: At three o'clock yesterday, the temperatures here yesterday, we're just incredible.

619
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: It was high. Temperature was like forty five degrees. It

620
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: was it rained most of the day. You were out

621
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: in the rain. I didn't get in the stand till

622
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: three o'clock yesterday. And uh, I'm and where I was

623
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: sitting is that. Okay. There's three features that funnel these

624
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: deer into this pinch. It's the back corner of a

625
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: pretty big field, okay, And we all know that deer

626
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: rather than you know if they're going from point A

627
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 1: to point B and there's a field in between them,

628
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: and they don't want to walk across the open field.

629
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: They'll hit the back corners of these fields, you know,

630
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: to a back corner. Usually there's a lot of deer

631
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: sign so there's a corner, but there's also a big

632
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: deep holla that comes up from the other side of

633
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: this field. That so there's a big deep draw that

634
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: heads up right there, deep enough that funnels deer. And

635
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: then there's a mouth that is on a third feature

636
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: that funnels these deer into about a probably an area

637
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: that's a hundred yards wide by eighty yards wide, So

638
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: it's not like a tiny little thirty yard wide pinch.

639
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: It's fairly good sized pinch. But I've got kind of

640
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: in the center of it, and I climbed up in

641
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: my tree saddle. I'm using it. I'm using a tethered

642
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: phantom saddle. Have you looked at those at all? I've not.

643
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: I've actually been thinking about getting the saddle. I started

644
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: pretty cool, But they're pretty cool there there. I've used

645
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: them a lot this year and last year too. I

646
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: like them because their mobility. Um So I just got

647
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: up a seventeen eighteen feet three o'clock was in the

648
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: tree hunting. At three thirty, I see a doe coming

649
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: down the hill just I mean coming like right right

650
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: to me, you know, within shooting range. And uh, the

651
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: way she was moved moving I could it didn't strike

652
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: me as odd. But what struck me as odd was

653
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: how of a direct line she was taken, and at

654
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: the time of day she was. You know, like your

655
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: first the first time you see a deer, you you

656
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: gather so much data. I thought it was unusual that

657
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: she was on her feet at three third in the

658
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: afternoon and that she was moving with that much intentionality

659
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: at three thirty in the afternoon, because she was headed

660
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: towards kind of these fields. Well, I see movement behind

661
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: her about forty yards, and I see a deer, Rusty,

662
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: that was big enough that immediately, without even seeing his horns,

663
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: I knew that it was a shooter buck. And for me,

664
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: a shooter buck is a pretty good one. I'm not

665
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm not measuring inches. I'm probably a lot like you, Rusty.

666
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: We're not We're not necessarily saying we're after a hundred

667
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: and forty buck. We're after a mature ozark, four year

668
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: old type deer. I mean, is that what you're after

669
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: in I saw this deer, and I mean without even

670
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: seeing his horns, I said, that's him. I mean, I

671
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: grabbed the bowl and and then he comes into full view,

672
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, it probably sixty yards and I can just

673
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: see a full rack, I mean, just a good rack.

674
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: And it I ended up watching him for a long time.

675
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: It's a nice probably point which is for around here

676
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: is I'd spend my whole season to kill that deer,

677
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: big body, big neck. And the wind was blowing out

678
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: of the north. And so if I'm sitting in a

679
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: tree just like this right here, the wind has hit

680
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: me in the side of the face, so it's blowing.

681
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: The winds blowing off to my right, okay, and so

682
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all this in front of me. It's

683
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: not an ideal wind, but it's a pretty good wind. Well,

684
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: just the way that deer was coming, she came in

685
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: the worst possible way for my wind. And if the

686
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: buck had been right behind the dough, like if he

687
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: had been right on her, I think I would have

688
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: had a shot at the deer. But the dough was

689
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: about forty yards in front of the buck, so the

690
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: dough cuts my wind. She slams on the brakes and

691
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: she she doesn't freak out, She just she stops. And

692
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: what does the buck do? Obviously he stops, and so

693
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: he's forty yards behind her. The dough is at thirty

694
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: ISHU yards right here, and I mean, I'm locked and

695
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: loaded waiting for this, but I'm ranging, you know, because

696
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: this does coming. I'm ranging the dough because I know

697
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: that buck's gonna be right there. I mean, just the

698
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: epitome of a white tail situation. And um, but she

699
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: slams on the brakes and then I looked back to

700
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: him and he is actually forty five yards from me,

701
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: but I mean he's on red alert. And long story short,

702
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: she milled around and never spooked, but she just turned

703
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: and just kind of cat walked back out of there.

704
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: And uh, the buck jumped the fence and milled around,

705
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: and I probably watched them for a total of five minutes,

706
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: and finally they just went back the way they came.

707
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: She absolutely smelled me and I never had a shot

708
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: at the buck. I mean not even a chance of

709
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: a shot. I mean it was just too thick. Um.

710
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: But uh, I said all that to say that was

711
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: my new spot. You know, I jumped to somewhere new

712
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: and was just amazed at the the deer activity. Now,

713
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: I end up seeing seven deer throughout the evening, which

714
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: to me for that area was just average. I actually

715
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: anticipated seeing more dear than that there because there's a

716
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: lot of deer over there. Um. But anyway, because we

717
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: were talking about do you set in the same spot

718
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: over and over, because I thought about back here, just

719
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: setting back and just like, no matter what, I'm hunting

720
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: back there for thirty days straight because I know there's

721
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: a good one back there, but I don't know. That's

722
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: my story, So I was I benefited for the jump move.

723
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: That's why I like bowl hunting so much is nothing

724
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: is a given. It is a huge challenge and you know,

725
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: just small things. I mean, if you had a gun,

726
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: my dear's dead. I mean that's why I like bow

727
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: hunting so much, because everything has to go right. You

728
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: have to get them in close. And I like that challenge. Yeah,

729
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: will you both hunt through the rifle season. I will, Yeah,

730
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: I will strictly bowl hunt. Uh. It's not that I'm

731
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: against gun hunting. I mean I love gun hunting, but

732
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: I am a bowl hunter. I did draw a tag

733
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: special tag this year. For a two day muzzloader hunt

734
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: that I might do. But even with that tag, I

735
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: can still go in there with a bowl and I

736
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: probably will because yeah, because I mean, I'm just I

737
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: just like the challenge so much. You know, if I

738
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: kill that buck with a bowl me personally, it just

739
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: means more to me than if I kill it with

740
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: a gun. Um. We were raised in the same vein

741
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: rest of you know my history. But in the last

742
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: seven years I have hunted with a hunting with a

743
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: muzzloader and with a rifle more than ever had in

744
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: my life. And and I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed the liberation.

745
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Like my dad is just like your dad. Like my

746
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: dad didn't even own a dear rifle. He wouldn't let

747
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: us hunt with guns when we were growing up. And

748
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: I I love that, Uh, I I enjoy I enjoy

749
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: carrying a muzzloader or something. But I'm I'm gonna be

750
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: getting back to my bow hunting roots a little bit more.

751
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Let's say, I might be giving away my age here,

752
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: but I think I started shooting a bow in nineteen

753
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven. No, you didn't, not seventy seven. You're not

754
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: that old. M I wouldn't have guessed it. How old

755
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: are you? I'll be forty nine in November. Okay, So

756
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: you were like, Okay, I'm not mistaken. I believe because

757
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: I asked him a while back, when when did I

758
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: start first, you know, start shooting, and he told me

759
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: about around that age because he he's a huge, huge

760
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: bowl hunter, huge bowl hunter, and I just that's how

761
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: I was brought up, you know, So it stuck. Well,

762
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm ten years behind you because I, Uh, I started

763
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: shooting the bow when I was in the third grade.

764
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: That's when Dad bought us compound bows. And uh, I

765
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: would have been in the third grade in like seven. Yeah, uh,

766
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: but I'm forty one. Yeah, I'm pretty old too. I

767
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: started rusting, I believe when he was five, just a

768
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: little stick bowl, you know, and then he just kind

769
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: of graduated up. I think the first animal he killed

770
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: with the bowl was a turkey. Yeah. I thought that

771
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty good. I think he was ten maybe

772
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: shot a turkey with a bowl. I just draw uped

773
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: him off. I had a blind set up and come back,

774
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: I said, well, did you say anything? I went to

775
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: pick him up. He said, well, yeah, I killed the turkey.

776
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm like what at that point, I don't think I'd

777
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: even killed a turkey with a bowl, But yeah, he

778
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: shot a turkey and he's shot deer ten years old

779
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: with a bowl. Yeah. He's bigger than your average kid though,

780
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean he could pull back pretty good poundage. You know,

781
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: he's bigger than your average kid right now. Yeah, he's

782
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: six three, about three fifty. But anyway, man, that's awesome, Kobe.

783
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: Do you have any questions, I mean, like specific hunting

784
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: questions for him or anything, Um, you think about it.

785
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: If you don't, then don't you think about it. I

786
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: mean I did have one thought, like, what if you

787
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: go into an area, like I'll just go and hunt

788
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: with my dad some somewhere at some point. So if

789
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: you don't have time to scout or anything, if you're

790
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: just going in and just gonna hang something or sit somewhere,

791
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: a look for If I didn't have time to scout it,

792
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: I'd go strictly by the map. Okay, I'd go strictly

793
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: by the maybe looking for train features. Yeah, just train

794
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: features on the map. If I if I had zero,

795
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: if I'd never been in there, never had time to

796
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: scout it or anything, like you said, and I just

797
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: look on the map and say, hey, we're gonna hunt

798
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: right here. Yeah, that sword for me. Yeah. We Uh.

799
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: One time, my dad's got this habit of find calling

800
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: the local game warden, talking to him, getting some information,

801
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: and so there was this one spot we were hunting

802
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: for the first time. He was like, the game warden

803
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: just said, you know, it's public land, but there's only

804
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: like you have to walk a long way to get

805
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: to the other side of this this water feature. If

806
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: you're just hopping the water feature and jump over, you

807
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: probably do pretty good getting the boat. Yeah, He's just

808
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: like getting a boat and hop over, And so we

809
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: did that and it worked. On the map. I saw

810
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: the spot where, uh, the water feature kind of horseshoes

811
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: around and so it kind of pinches at the top,

812
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: and there's like a lot of white oaks in the

813
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: horseshoe area. And I just walked in there and saw

814
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: a buck and didn't get a shot at him. But

815
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: I end up getting a dough that afternoon and and

816
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: a hug. So if you, I mean, if you didn't

817
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: have any time whatsoever and it was a shotgun hunt

818
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: like that or whatever, you can just go by the mountain.

819
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: You probably do pretty good. And back to the game

820
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: warden deal, that's a really good idea. I do the

821
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: same thing. I know all the game wardens, and I

822
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: talked to all of them all the time. They see

823
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: a lot, they know a lot, and most of them

824
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: will share some information with you. I mean they're on

825
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: they're driving these roads, you know, all day long. If

826
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: they say a big buck across the road and they're like, hey,

827
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: i've seen a big buck a cross back there, that'll

828
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: give me a starting point. And usually because of the

829
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: nature of the their job and the time when they

830
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: have to work, usually a lot of them aren't big hunters.

831
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: Well I don't want to I'm not saying they're not

832
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: big hunters, but they're not hunting at normal times, so

833
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: they might be willing to give you some intel because

834
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: they're using it for themselves that weekend. You know, some

835
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: guys I know some good game hunter game wardens, but

836
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: I know my dad starts hunting a lot heavier when

837
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: you start seeing more gear hit on the road too.

838
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: At the little factors. Yeah, um, what about Colin Rusty,

839
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: what's uh like? What do you what's your what's your

840
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: give me your bullet point? I'm a huge fan of calling. Uh,

841
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: I use a grunt call. I use a little rattling bag.

842
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I never get real aggressive unless I'm in Kansas. Around

843
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: here with a rattle bag, I'll just barely like just

844
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: like tickling them. You know, I never get real aggressive

845
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. I just don't. In Kansas, I do. I mean,

846
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: I just smash that thing and they'll come running. But uh,

847
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: around here, I haven't found that. I know that I

848
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: know the answer. I mean, like I could tell you

849
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the answer, but yeah, it doesn't add up. Why doesn't

850
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: work here? I really don't know the answered. This dear fight,

851
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: these dear breedes. We got the fighting on camera all

852
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: the time. We set all our cameras to video mode,

853
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: and I like a lot video mode a lot better.

854
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, we've got buck fights on camera on

855
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: game camera and stuff all the time, just all out.

856
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's not because what what the typical talking

857
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: point would be would be, well, the buck doe ratios

858
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: are so bad in Arkansas or wherever that you know,

859
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: the bucks just aren't fighting as much. They're not responding

860
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: to fighting sounds. Where if you had like a one

861
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: to one buck ratio and there's some of that, that's true,

862
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: but we have decent buck to Doe ratios and lots

863
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: of places like It's not like it's not like totally

864
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: off kilter here. Uh yeah, I mean, I just I

865
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: just haven't had much luck aggressive rattle bag. I mean

866
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: just a lot stuff. You know, it works better. I

867
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: don't rattle a whole whole lot in Arkansas. I just

868
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: I just haven't had to say us Kansas different story.

869
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: But here and I've got I've had every grunk call

870
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: you know that has been made just about and there's

871
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: one grunt call that I've got that works better than

872
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: all the rest. I'm not gonna say what it is.

873
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: I gotta tell us. I'm not gonna say I've got

874
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: my truck right now. I'll show it to you in

875
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: a minute. But but there there is I mean, I

876
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just me or what, but there's

877
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: this one game grunt call that I mean, I I

878
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: will not use any other, but this time in the

879
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: market for a good grunk call, well this is a

880
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: good Actually I actually looked into uh a grunt call today.

881
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to see if it was the same

882
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: one you're talk It's not it's not a mainstream, but

883
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: this one is really obscure. It's this is different than

884
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: any other grunt call that you've ever I like, I

885
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: like the sound of that. Um okay, what about when doy?

886
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: When do you call dear when? Uh? Well, like yesterday

887
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: I called to that I saw a big hunting forty

888
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: eight point I mean that is I mean, it's a

889
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: it's a monster for an Ozart hill country buck. So uh,

890
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: I called to him with a grunt. And these bucks

891
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: are not dumb when they get that big, they are

892
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: not dumb. And I'm a lot of time real hesitant

893
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: about calling tom when they're in sight like that. But

894
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: he was headed away from me, and I thought, well,

895
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I what if I got to lose, I'm

896
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: gonna try to get him to turn and come back.

897
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: And when I he I got his attention. He took

898
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: a few steps towards me. And what is it? What

899
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: do you think he did? He craned his neck and

900
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: looked and looked and looked. He looked and looked and looked,

901
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: and then he just started circling down Winn And I knew.

902
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: I knew as soon as he started that direction, I

903
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: knew i'd messed up. I mean it has either just

904
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: let him walk out of sight or or try so

905
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: you feel tried in it. And so he got you know,

906
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: you didn't see him, but he got down windows. What

907
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: what he did? Here's what he did, Clay is when

908
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: I grunted at, I just done a lot grunt got

909
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: his attention. Then I've done a like a like that

910
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: like you. And he started walking to me and these

911
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: are open woods and he stops and he's looking, well,

912
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't see that, dear, and he's not stupid, so

913
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: he starts circling down Win. I believe if I'd had

914
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: a decoy, I don't hunt with a decoy, hardly any

915
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. In Kansas it's a whole different ball game.

916
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't think a decoy would work. I think a

917
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: decoy would have worked. He was looking for that buck.

918
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: If I'd have had a buck decoy there, I believe

919
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: he would have come in the decoy too much. Even

920
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, you think it would have worked, I think

921
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: it my I think there would have had a better chance.

922
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: But would you have not spooked every dough that came

923
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: within sight of that decoy before the buck got there?

924
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: Na there'll be some little spook ill spook bucks and everything,

925
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: but man, when a mature buck, when a mature buck

926
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: gets out there, they can't stand it. See, that's the

927
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: hard part I have with decoys. And it's at least Arkansas,

928
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: and I understand how they work in the Midwest, but

929
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: my experience it's limited. But I have said over a

930
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: decoy and it's spooked every single deer I've ever since.

931
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: It will mess with your as much as I've I've

932
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in Kansas, and when

933
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: I'm hunting here in Arkansas, like this year, I did

934
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: not draw Kansas tag, so I'm gonna hunt arks. If

935
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: I tag out in Arkansas, I'll go buy me in

936
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Missouri license. It's over the counter. But it messes with

937
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: your mind a little bit because I've had so much

938
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: success in Kansas. And then when you're grunting at a

939
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: deer like a deer I saw yesterday, and you're thinking

940
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: in your mind, Man, if I just had a buck decoy,

941
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: would he come in or would he not? What he spooke?

942
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: Would he come in? I don't know. In Kansas, it's

943
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: a no brainer. I would have that decoy out there,

944
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: But in Arkansas, it's it's messing with your mind a

945
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, because I've not had success in

946
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: Arkansas with a decoy. I've tried them, and I just don't.

947
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: I've just stop using them in Arkansas. Okay, let me

948
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: tell you. Let me tell you my thoughts on calling,

949
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: or at least a simplistic like section of thought on calling.

950
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: I pretty much grunt at every deer that I see

951
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: that is not coming within bow range. I mean like

952
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: like and again this is like one little like if

953
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm sitting there, my instinct like, if I

954
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: see a deer that is skirting me that is not

955
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna come within bow range, I'm gonna back, I'm gonna

956
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: hit him. And most of the time it's gonna And

957
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: what I find strange enough before the rut, most does

958
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: will come to a grunt call. Yeah, Like if you

959
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: grunt if you see a dough out there at sixty

960
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: yards that's not coming by you. And I may not

961
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: even be wanting to shoot a dough, but I'm wanting

962
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: to draw all these deer as close to me as possible,

963
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: just in case there's other deer with them or dear.

964
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean you know, And so I've just had a

965
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: ton of success, especially pre rut, like before October the twenty,

966
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: when they're just on kind of feeding pattern, does responding

967
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: to grunt calls. Um. I've grunted plenty of big buck,

968
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, some of these deer right here, we're grunted

969
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: in um. But here's but it doesn't always work. Yesterday, now,

970
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I tried to salvage the spook deer yesterday. Once I

971
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: knew they were for sure leaving, I you know, grunted

972
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: at that big buck and it didn't work. You know,

973
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: he craned his neck and looked, and but they ended

974
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: up moving off. An hour later, I saw a younger

975
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: buck that I was pretty certain I wasn't gonna shoot,

976
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: but just I just saw it racked kind of probably

977
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: two year old type deer skirting sixty seventy yards away,

978
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: not gonna be within both range, perfect candidate to grunt in.

979
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: I grunted that dear, and he stopped and looked at

980
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: me and then just kept going like yeah, he he

981
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: didn't want he didn't hunt a bit about it. A

982
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: lot of times two year old boy they'll just come running.

983
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: They'll run right to the base of your tree, you know,

984
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: and they're looking around. Yeah man, mature bucks. Man, I'll

985
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: tell you gotta be really careful. They're super super smart. Yeah. Um.

986
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: Talking about rattling, I was about to say, and if

987
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: I had time to think about it, I think in Arkansas,

988
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: I've rattled up two bucks like mature bucks, like straight

989
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: up rattled them up, um, but kill. I couldn't have

990
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: killed either one u them with a bow I tried.

991
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, because they come in on full alert, stop

992
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: out there at thirty or forty yards facing you, because

993
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: you just you're the point source of this sound. And

994
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: they stand there for ten seconds and don't see another

995
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: deer and they turned around leave. So it's not effective.

996
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: If we were an open, big open country, and you know,

997
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe could had a decoy, and that's a place where

998
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: a decoy would have worked, but I wouldn't trying to

999
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: kill a deal. I was trying to. You know, every

1000
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: time I rattled in deer, I had set of rattling horns,

1001
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: and both times was with horn actual horns. You know,

1002
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: it was like the hunt was kind of dead, and

1003
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm just gonna clack these horns

1004
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: together and no telling how many times. I've done that

1005
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: and it didn't work. Twice and thirty years of bo

1006
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: hunting worked, you know. Um, but neither time did I

1007
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: kill the deer because I didn't have a decoy out.

1008
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: I and and I wouldn't had a decoy out because

1009
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: it's just I was hunting a travel area like I

1010
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: was expecting to kill a buck just walking through. I

1011
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: didn't need a decoy. You see what I'm saying. It's

1012
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of like mishmash strategies some some of these big bucks,

1013
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: even in the Midwest. The biggest buck I ever killed,

1014
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: I was hunting with a decoy, and two days in

1015
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: a row he stopped eighty yards from the decoy and

1016
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: we just would not come in, and oh yeah, he

1017
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: saw the decoy and everything, and you know, I got

1018
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: to thinking, you know this, every time I had a

1019
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: sighting of this deer, he was always by himself. He's

1020
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: not got any broke nothing, or he's always by himself.

1021
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: He's like a loner, a real passive type deer. So

1022
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: two days in a row he stopped at eighty yards

1023
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: from a decoy and just would not come in at all.

1024
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: He just skirt around and and leave like he was

1025
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: scared of it or something. So after two days of that,

1026
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: I took that decoy and I throwed that thing in

1027
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: the woods and I killed that buck the next day.

1028
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: Killing the next day. Now what did he want to

1029
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: come that way and the decoy was bumping in the way. Yeah,

1030
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: so he just walked by it. Yeah. I didn't even

1031
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: have to call him in or nothing. It was in

1032
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: a trail. I was in a travel corridor I was at.

1033
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I was hunting a field edge and there's

1034
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: a trail coming across this field. And man, I had

1035
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: I passed up I think nine or ten poping young

1036
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: class deer are bigger because I was hunting this deer.

1037
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: He ended up scoring one, six and eight. So, I

1038
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: mean I had passed up several really nice bucks. I

1039
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: was video on them everything. They were interacting with the

1040
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: decoy and everything. But this buck here, the one I

1041
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: was after, he just would not come in. He's real passive.

1042
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: And I took that decoy, I throwed that thing in

1043
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: the woods, and I killed him very next day. I'll

1044
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: be daring. Yeah. So this that's all podcast is about.

1045
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: How don't use a decoy, ye, don't rattle, don't do

1046
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: all this. No, that's good intel man. I've called a

1047
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: lot of deer in by grunting or using a bleak

1048
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: call to Yeah, yeah, man, that's good stuff. What do

1049
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: you tell me, you're don't. Don't tell me what you

1050
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: think people want to hear. Tell me the truth, rusty

1051
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: um about scent control. Okay, because listen, here, here's my

1052
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: here's my philosophy. Like there, when scent control products first

1053
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: started coming out, the good hunters that were already doing

1054
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff right that were taking white

1055
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: tail honey really serious, started using the stuff because they

1056
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: wanted to become the best that they could be. So

1057
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: the guys that were using scent control all of a

1058
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: sudden were the guys that had a ton of success

1059
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: in the correlation point. Oftentimes there's correlation between things between

1060
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: data points that seemed like they're connected, like white tail

1061
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: hunting success equals using all the commercial scent control products success,

1062
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: and so you make this connection, But really the correlation

1063
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: isn't that. The correlation was that these guys were doing

1064
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other stuff right now. I'm not

1065
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: anti scent control. At different times I have been. I

1066
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: made it. I made a facebook post commented on it, Well,

1067
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not totally convinced because the last

1068
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: eight nine years I have used basically zero cent control.

1069
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You believe science, right, Okay,

1070
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: I heard you say it on a podcast one time.

1071
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I love science. You know what this is, don't you.

1072
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: It's chemical signs. I mean, so it works. I believe

1073
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: it helps. I'm not gonna say, you know, and go

1074
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: out and buy all this stuff and you're guaranteed that

1075
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: a deer is not gonna til you and it all

1076
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: and it. And it goes back to the argument about wind.

1077
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean there's I have a lot of

1078
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: I guess off the wall or whatever opinions, But like

1079
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: the spot I hunted yesterday, I'm not even worried about

1080
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: the wind. I didn't even pick the tree that I

1081
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: was in based on wind direction or anything. I I

1082
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: picked the tree that I hunted out of where I

1083
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: thought I would get a shot at a deer the wind.

1084
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a perfect If I've got a

1085
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: perfect north northwest wind or whatever, and there's a perfect

1086
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: tree here, and I think all the nine of the

1087
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: travel is going to be in this one direction. Yeah,

1088
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: I can use the wind in my advantage. But most

1089
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: of the time I don't even worry about the wind.

1090
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: But it's not because of these products. Well, okay, so

1091
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: what do you do though, Well I do. I stayed

1092
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: to try to say it's clean as I can there

1093
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: is does that mean by Washington? So you you're talking

1094
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: about like sent free showers, literally taking cent free showers,

1095
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: but not necessarily a hunting industry sent free soap and not.

1096
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: I do not use a hunting industry deoderant. I'm not

1097
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna say what deoderant. I use our

1098
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: anti Prussian whatever you want to call it. I do

1099
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: have a few secrets, but I do use some stuff. Uh.

1100
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: But there is one thing that I do use a

1101
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: lot of. And I learned this in the eighties from

1102
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: my dad. I always told him, you know, you should

1103
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: have back in the early eighties, you should have started

1104
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: you've been a millionaire now if you'd have invented some

1105
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 1: of this sent control and stuff. But he started using

1106
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: baking soda. And I do use a lot of baking soda. Yeah,

1107
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: in your clothes, my dad, in my clothes, I've done

1108
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: the same thing. Maybe put it on on myself. So

1109
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: that is one thing that I use in bacon soda.

1110
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, you just go to the grocery store and

1111
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: bike because it absorbs sent It absorbs scent. Yeah. What

1112
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: about your club? Okay, if if we were to go

1113
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: hunting together this afternoon, would you hunting these clothes you're wearing.

1114
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: Rusty's wearing camo right now? He just came out of

1115
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, done some scouting today and uh, I

1116
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: just happened to these are some pants at a company

1117
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: sent sentis to try out. And but would you go

1118
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: sitting a stand right now? Where? No, So you do

1119
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: you have do you carry do you have sent controlled

1120
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: boxes in your truck with? Okay, that's why I want

1121
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: to get out. I keep my clothes clean, uh, and

1122
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: I wash them and I use a lot of baking

1123
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: soda to wash my clothes. And I do use some

1124
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: commercial uh scent free wash for clothes. Uh. And it's

1125
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: so as I get them out if I can, I

1126
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: like the air drome outside if I can in the

1127
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: right place, and then then I've got our either bags

1128
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,479
Speaker 1: or containers that if a deer had come down wind

1129
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: of you yesterday would have smelled you. Uh. May or

1130
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: may not. I had a few deer come down wind

1131
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: that did not smell me, and uh, it's it gets

1132
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: a little deeper than just uh, you know, sent controlling yourself,

1133
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, like I mean the wind direction, you know,

1134
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: what drifts, you know, all that kind of There's a

1135
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: lot that goes in here. Here's my thoughts on it.

1136
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: The thermals, Like the way I don't get winded very

1137
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: often in the morning when thermals are rising because of heating,

1138
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, raising air temperature. You know, A lot of

1139
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: the hunting that I'm doing, especially not around here, is

1140
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: uh mountain hunting where I'm walking back into place is

1141
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: a riding a mule in warm temperatures. And sent control

1142
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: is just a joke. If you come hunt it, if

1143
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: you hunt it with me back in there, you might

1144
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: as well smell like a toilet. I mean, like it

1145
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. That is really what I was poking holes at. Like,

1146
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't tell me you gotta use sent control

1147
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: to kill deer back in there. Or bear. I mean

1148
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: a lot of my bear hunting is that way. I mean,

1149
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: I am covered and sweat multiple times per day. Can't

1150
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: take a cent free shower, can't my clothes. So but

1151
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: now that I'm so, I'm kind of coming back. So

1152
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: basically when I my dad instilled in a so deep

1153
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: about I mean, it just made hunting so hard to

1154
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: be sent free. You know, keep washing clothes, only wearing

1155
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: clothes one time. It's keeping them sent free boxes. Like

1156
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: I was in that for so long at the peak

1157
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: of White Tail sent control stuff when it first came out,

1158
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: and the late nineties through the two that when I

1159
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: started kind of getting out on my own, I was like, man,

1160
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is hunt the wind and you

1161
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about all that stuff. That's really

1162
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: the way I've operated for the last fifteen years, and

1163
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: that it's not I don't feel like it's costed me

1164
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: a ton of deer because I've killed a lot of

1165
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: good deer hunting that way. But I'm starting to go

1166
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: back to the other direction, especially on this hunting that's

1167
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: you can control things. And for me, I live in

1168
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: two different worlds. I live in this like public land,

1169
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: backcountry world that I love, but also live in this

1170
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: world where I'm hunting like farms that I'm driving my

1171
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: truck up to and walking two hundred yards to a

1172
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: deer stand like in in in that controlled environment, I'm

1173
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: beginning to come back to, I might as well do

1174
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: sin control. What do you think at why not just

1175
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: say that? I mean, it just helps just a smidge

1176
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: to me, it's worth doing. Well, let me play the

1177
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: Devil's out of here. I want you to convince me

1178
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: of something different. So I'm not trying to like squelch

1179
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: your idea. But I've done everything to a t and

1180
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: still had a deer smells you. You cannot if it's

1181
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: like all the energy and effort that I put into

1182
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: white tail deer hunting, if thirty percent of that effort

1183
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: is going towards scent control, that that doesn't work a

1184
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of the time. I'm just like, I'm cutting that

1185
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: thirty percent off. Do you understand what I'm saying? And

1186
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: so that's basically what I've done for long, for ten

1187
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: years or longer. But I'm coming back to a place

1188
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, like in yesterday is a great example,

1189
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: like if I had because I did nothing for sent

1190
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: control yesterday other than walk through a cow pie on

1191
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: the way up there to come to my ground cent

1192
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: because I was hunting the cattle farm, which is stellar

1193
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: ground sin control, Yeah, just that the deer don't smell

1194
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: me where I walk. I'm that farm. I walked through Colpivers.

1195
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: You know, I had the thought yesterday if I had

1196
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: done everything to a t because I didn't sweat going

1197
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 1: in there. It was cold, I was close to my truck,

1198
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have I didn't have to you know, I

1199
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: wasn't covered in sweat. Uh. You know, would that have?

1200
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: Would that dough have walked through my scent which she

1201
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: had just kind of spooked just a little bit and

1202
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: walked through and then the buck come through. And I

1203
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: think the answer that question is maybe she would have,

1204
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not. And I could have done everything and

1205
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: spend all that energy and time and then they got

1206
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: the exact same results. So yeah, I mean I can

1207
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: agree with everything you're saying. You know, I do a

1208
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of scent control and do everything that I can do.

1209
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: You spray, I do, Yeah, and I and I it's

1210
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: proven that that stuff kills bacteria. I mean, it's proven

1211
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,839
Speaker 1: that it kills bacteria. Will it kill all of it? Probably?

1212
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: Will it killed all of the sin on your clothes?

1213
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: Probably not? What if it killed just twenty of it?

1214
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: And that just a little bit was just enough to

1215
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: get a deer five yards closer for a shot. Do

1216
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: you what's your view on carbon clothes? Man, I don't

1217
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of recent intel. I've not paid any

1218
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: attention to it in a long time, so, you know,

1219
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: I was really skeptical of it. And I had a

1220
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: friend of mine at work say, we were talking about

1221
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He said, Man, when I was over

1222
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: in Iraq, he said, we wore carbon suits. He's like,

1223
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: they were just real thick carbon suits. And he said

1224
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: we would wear them things for like two weeks without

1225
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: taking a bath. And he said nobody stunk. But he said,

1226
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: when you took that thing off, he said it it

1227
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: was just about making puke. I mean, the odor was

1228
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: so bad when they took the suit off, it was

1229
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: containing all that sent I'm just thinking, man, I mean,

1230
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: there there must really be something to it. That's the science. Yeah. So,

1231
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: and I got to thinking, if you went the carbon route,

1232
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you would need the you know, the pants,

1233
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: the shirt, the head cover. I mean, you'd have to

1234
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: really cover everything up. But even if you covered say

1235
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: fifty of your body with it, and it's absorbing of

1236
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: your scent, that might help just enough. Yeah, And I

1237
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: think that's a great argument. And that's why i wanted

1238
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: to talk to you about this because I'm wanting someone

1239
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: to I'm not happy with my sent control regiment for

1240
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: when I'm in a controlled hunt. A lot of my

1241
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: hunting is uncontrolled. I'm back country stuff. You just in

1242
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: warm weather stuff too. Boy. I mean, if you do

1243
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: all that sent control and you break a sweat on

1244
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: the way in there, all that is like you are

1245
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: a Merino wool, don't you. Yeah, that's a natural odor

1246
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: in hibit or, isn't it. Yes, it is so. I

1247
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: mean I do wear some too. I don't like the

1248
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: way it stays wet for I mean, like if you

1249
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: get it wet, it takes forever to dry it out.

1250
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: But I mean I do were especially undergarments, No, I

1251
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: don't that was actually known for drying out quick. But

1252
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: that's what it's known for. Absolutely drying out quicker than cotton,

1253
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: way quicker. I know. But I mean, if dry out

1254
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: faster than cotton, but it won't be Some synthetic material

1255
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: dry really fast. I've been wearing the synthetic material under

1256
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: on skin undergarments, and I mean they dry out just

1257
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: like that, and then I put my marino wool on it.

1258
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: It seems like it takes forever to dry out compared

1259
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 1: to cotton. Yeah, I agree with you. Yes, yes, well, Rusty,

1260
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: me and you both need to well you make you're

1261
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: you're still kind of drying out from along along couple

1262
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: of days of hunting. Yeah, I'm gonna try to go

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Speaker 1: hunt this afternoon, last couple of hours. Uh but uh no, man,

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Speaker 1: So you're you guys on Instagram or White Tail Warfare Yeah,

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Speaker 1: White Tell Warfare so you can follow Rusty and his

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Speaker 1: son Rusting. And our marketing manager is Dalton Clink Skills. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's us three and uh, we have a very successful page.

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Speaker 1: We're mainly Instagram. We are on Facebook two, but our

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Speaker 1: main deal is Instagram right now, and we're working with

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Speaker 1: some great partners and it's it's going really good. Yeah. Cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys post a lot of uh video footage and

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Speaker 1: stuff and truck camera truck camera footage. Our main deal

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Speaker 1: is is trail camera stuff. I mean, we really have

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Speaker 1: a lot of trail camera content and it's pretty cool

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Speaker 1: stuff and and viers really like it. So everything white too,

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Speaker 1: everything white till yep. Well, man, I'm glad. I'm really

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Speaker 1: glad I caught you, just barely caught you in the

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Speaker 1: moment when you come by, and anyway, awesome to have

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Speaker 1: you on And not like I said, I have a

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Speaker 1: town of respect for you, Rusty, I've always said it

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Speaker 1: for you as a as a as a hunter, as

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Speaker 1: a as a man, I I've I've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: from you. Your you really every year you inspire me, man,

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Speaker 1: because I'll text Rusty it like noon and He'll be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm in a tree yeah, and I'll be like, god

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Speaker 1: it I gotta get in the tree. Yeah. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty hardcore. I mean I live for this stuff. We

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Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. You take off a lot of time

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Speaker 1: this time, do Yeah? I have. I still have a

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Speaker 1: full time job. Uh Dalton has a full time job

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Speaker 1: in rusting, is in his second year of law school

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Speaker 1: right now. So uh so do you take off like

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Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, I've basically right now, I've got thirty

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Speaker 1: days in the row off And so I mean I

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Speaker 1: will be blogging the hours yeah. Yeah. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty picky. I mean, if if I shoot one, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a decent It'll be poping. Young size are bigger,

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Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, thirty days of vacation right now,

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Speaker 1: just started hunting. Yeah all right man, Well good luck

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Speaker 1: to you, and uh I appreciate it, man, Yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: you for inviting me here and discussing some stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild lass wild, because that's where the big

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Speaker 1: bucks love. I try