1
00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,280
Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

2
00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,360
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, DJ? Bucky here, moved the sticks. This

3
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,600
Speaker 1: is the Thursday edition, Buck and uh, we've got a

4
00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,759
Speaker 1: jam pack show today. Yeah, we're getting right into it.

5
00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,200
Speaker 1: We're going to identify the debate, talk about some of

6
00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,640
Speaker 1: the top players at each position, Which guy we like,

7
00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720
Speaker 1: what are the pros and cons of each player? Best role?

8
00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,640
Speaker 1: And where will we play some of these guys that

9
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,840
Speaker 1: are hybrid players. And then finally, who is the best

10
00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,479
Speaker 1: player that some of these guys watched and scouting when

11
00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,600
Speaker 1: they read to Senior Bowl. Yeah, we're gonna ask some

12
00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,920
Speaker 1: of the players in this draft to scout the players

13
00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,760
Speaker 1: in this draft, guys like Tanner Lee, Kurt ben Kirt,

14
00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,599
Speaker 1: and Harrison Phillips, who's the best player they went up against.

15
00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,159
Speaker 1: We'll have their answers a little bit later on in

16
00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,680
Speaker 1: the show, as well as one of the right questions

17
00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,000
Speaker 1: to ask at the combine when you're scout working with

18
00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,040
Speaker 1: these players. But let's jump in right now, Buck, I

19
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,760
Speaker 1: want to identify the debate. Got a couple of months

20
00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,680
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft. Now there's gonna be plenty

21
00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,840
Speaker 1: of player debates and it's this guy or that guy.

22
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,520
Speaker 1: Go back to our time in the room. These are

23
00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,280
Speaker 1: the longer discussions when you're in that draft froom. Some

24
00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,920
Speaker 1: of them are quick and easy and painless. Everybody's in agreement.

25
00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,160
Speaker 1: And then there's some of those toss up guys. Let's

26
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,040
Speaker 1: jump through some of those guys right now. Yeah, this

27
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,880
Speaker 1: is great. This is exactly what happens in meeting rooms

28
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,880
Speaker 1: across the league. Guys that begin into kind of size

29
00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,080
Speaker 1: of which is their favorite player. They stand on the

30
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,920
Speaker 1: table for the guys maybe in the area. Should be fine.

31
00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,360
Speaker 1: All right, here's a couple of I got seven down

32
00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 1: that I think are gonna be big debates inside the room.

33
00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,440
Speaker 1: Not saying these guys are the top players. In some

34
00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,399
Speaker 1: case they are at their positions, but they're similar. These

35
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,600
Speaker 1: two guys. Let's start at the corner position, Ohio State's

36
00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,959
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward versus u CFS Mike Hues. I mean, this

37
00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,000
Speaker 1: is a compelling, uh comparison, because I think these are

38
00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,440
Speaker 1: two of the best players at the position, two guys

39
00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,040
Speaker 1: who are smooth, fluid, athletic and have a lot of versatility. Um,

40
00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I'll take the Mike Hues part of the situation. Now

41
00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,280
Speaker 1: make a case for Mike Hues. Mike used to me

42
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,720
Speaker 1: is a perfect two phase player, I meaning he can

43
00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,160
Speaker 1: play defense, he can make contributions as a kick or

44
00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,680
Speaker 1: punt returner. He is smooth, he's fluid, he's athletic. I

45
00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,480
Speaker 1: like diversatile techniques that he can employ on the on

46
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,880
Speaker 1: the corner, whether he's playing off, playing up, bailing out.

47
00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: He is a guy that I think is a plug

48
00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,720
Speaker 1: and play player in any system. And when you're looking

49
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,799
Speaker 1: for corners, you're looking for guys that can get their

50
00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,920
Speaker 1: hands on the ball and maybe deliver big plays. I

51
00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,880
Speaker 1: think Mike Hughes is one of the best ball hawks

52
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,760
Speaker 1: that will see in terms of his ability to play

53
00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,720
Speaker 1: the ball while it's in the air and Mike cues maybe. Look,

54
00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:29,880
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to be the top

55
00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,600
Speaker 1: corner this draft. I have ward is that guy right now? Uh.

56
00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,800
Speaker 1: The concerns on the other side of it, the concerns

57
00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,160
Speaker 1: with Mike Hughes got the situation was at your alma

58
00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,000
Speaker 1: mater at North Carolina, ended up leaving there and going

59
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,880
Speaker 1: to UCF. So you've got to sort out the off

60
00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,280
Speaker 1: the field stuff and what transpired there. So do the

61
00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,880
Speaker 1: character study there. I think he's a little bit slighter frame,

62
00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,959
Speaker 1: so you know the toughness. If you're gonna compare the

63
00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 1: toughness of the two players. I love Hugheses game, but

64
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,839
Speaker 1: I think Ward gets the check mark when you're talking

65
00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,880
Speaker 1: about tougher now. Ward to me reminds me of pac

66
00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,000
Speaker 1: Man Jones when he was coming out and one of

67
00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,400
Speaker 1: my favorite players that year in that draft class because

68
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,079
Speaker 1: of his not only his skills, but his competitiveness is toughness.

69
00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,400
Speaker 1: You will see him come up and strike people in

70
00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,840
Speaker 1: the run game. Uh. He can play inside, he can

71
00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,239
Speaker 1: play outside. The concerns with him a little undersize, like

72
00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,119
Speaker 1: like pac Man was coming out. He's listed at five

73
00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,480
Speaker 1: ten pounds per the school. We'll see if he checks in.

74
00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,680
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be shocked if he was five nine and change

75
00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,760
Speaker 1: at Indie. But I give Ward the slight advantage of

76
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,360
Speaker 1: this point in time. I want to see these guys

77
00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,520
Speaker 1: move though side by side at the combine. Uh, that'll

78
00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,840
Speaker 1: be very telling. I think both these guys are elite players,

79
00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,880
Speaker 1: but right now Eilean Ward over Hughes. Yeah. I think

80
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,080
Speaker 1: that's probably the general consistence at this point. But when

81
00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,640
Speaker 1: we get those guys on the turf, we'll be able

82
00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,680
Speaker 1: to see. I love the pac Man Jones comparison for

83
00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: a Denzil Award, having watched pac Man while he's at

84
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,600
Speaker 1: West Virginia. I think people forget how explosive and dynamic

85
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960
Speaker 1: he was when he was coming out of West Virginia.

86
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,160
Speaker 1: Big time player. And when I look at Denzil Ward,

87
00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,400
Speaker 1: You're right. The feistiness, the toughness, the grit that he

88
00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,920
Speaker 1: displays when he's on the field, those things are very

89
00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,680
Speaker 1: reminiscent to what I saw from pac And when he

90
00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,960
Speaker 1: was coming out. The thing that I also like about

91
00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Denzel Award, I really believe that from day one he's

92
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,440
Speaker 1: gonna be able to line up on the island and

93
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 1: be able to hold his own without a lot of

94
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,040
Speaker 1: help from the safety. And so as the league has

95
00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 1: continued to evolve and we're seeing more of these teams

96
00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,720
Speaker 1: go to single high safety looks where they're putting corners

97
00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,280
Speaker 1: on the island and asking them to put their hands

98
00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 1: on receivers at a line of scrimmage. I think Denzel

99
00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,200
Speaker 1: ward Ward can certainly do that. I think that is

100
00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,720
Speaker 1: an added feather in his cap. These are two really,

101
00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 1: really good players. Yeah, I've told this story a couple

102
00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,280
Speaker 1: of times on the pod, but my favorite Combine interview story.

103
00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,120
Speaker 1: Pact Man Jones were in the room and Ozzie Knearson

104
00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,039
Speaker 1: asked him grade your hands on a scale of one

105
00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,200
Speaker 1: to ten. He looked at his left hand and said ten.

106
00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 1: He looked at his right hand and said ten. He

107
00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,360
Speaker 1: graded them both individually instead of the hands collectively. He's

108
00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,560
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. All right, let's go to the

109
00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,080
Speaker 1: next one here. I think this is gonna be a

110
00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,640
Speaker 1: fun one. Right now. I have a little bit of

111
00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,360
Speaker 1: separation on my top fifty list between these two guys.

112
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,560
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna squeeze down. I know talking to

113
00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640
Speaker 1: folks around the league, they have these guys right next

114
00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 1: to each other. That's ro Kwan's Smith, the linebacker from Georgia,

115
00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,040
Speaker 1: and Rashaan Evans, the linebacker from Alabama. Yeah, this is

116
00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,039
Speaker 1: another compelling debate. Rokuan Smith gets a lot of high

117
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,240
Speaker 1: and I'm a focus my effer someone Rashan Evans from Alabama.

118
00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,120
Speaker 1: When I look at him on take, he's a violent hitter. Um.

119
00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,640
Speaker 1: I love the intensity and the thump that he brings

120
00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,880
Speaker 1: when he makes contact on runners. He's a productive tackler.

121
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,200
Speaker 1: I like the instincts. I like the way he controls

122
00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,320
Speaker 1: the tackle to tackle box, and coming from Alabama, I

123
00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,000
Speaker 1: believe he's hardened enough to come into the league and

124
00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,680
Speaker 1: make a contribution right away. I like the i Q.

125
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,920
Speaker 1: I just think he plays the game the right way.

126
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm not quite convinced that he is as explosive as

127
00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,200
Speaker 1: ro Kawan Smith, but I believe he is a guy.

128
00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,839
Speaker 1: When we talk about in the draft getting singles and doubles,

129
00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,120
Speaker 1: I believe he's a double all day. I don't think

130
00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,800
Speaker 1: you can go wrong when you take Rashan Evans and

131
00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,280
Speaker 1: put him on your squad. Yeah, Rashaan Evans is uh.

132
00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,240
Speaker 1: He just creates uh like ten car pilops. He's smacking

133
00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,920
Speaker 1: people uh and not necessarily always gonna get to the

134
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,560
Speaker 1: eventual ball carry, but he's gonna make a mess on

135
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,480
Speaker 1: the way there. He is so just physical and strong

136
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,880
Speaker 1: and explosive. I was pleasantly surprised how he was in coverage.

137
00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,720
Speaker 1: You can watch him cover tight ends, you can watch

138
00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,000
Speaker 1: him redirecting space. I think he's very athletic. He's a

139
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,560
Speaker 1: more physical player in my opinion, just stronger physically, bigger, stronger,

140
00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,640
Speaker 1: than Rokuan. I give ro Quan the edge in instincts,

141
00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,000
Speaker 1: and just because of the instincts coupled with his lateral speed,

142
00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,600
Speaker 1: you have the range he brings the table that's unique. Uh.

143
00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,440
Speaker 1: You know, we've used it before, talking about Jonathan Vilma

144
00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 1: is a comp for him, just having that range. I

145
00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,560
Speaker 1: think ideally you'd like to pair him together. Obviously not

146
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna happen unless you're Buffalo and you took him both

147
00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:45,839
Speaker 1: at twenty one and twenty two as an upgrade, you know. Yeah, Yeah,

148
00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,760
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where they are in that range.

149
00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,880
Speaker 1: I think where you could see them go maybe a

150
00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,440
Speaker 1: little bit higher. But I think you we talked about

151
00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,040
Speaker 1: having a banger and a floater, and Roquan Smith is

152
00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,000
Speaker 1: more of that floater, whereas Rashaan Evans is going to

153
00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,560
Speaker 1: be downhill, creating those pile ups and uh and just

154
00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,040
Speaker 1: being a physical take on guy. Yeah, absolutely agree. Um,

155
00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the way you classify those guys, one

156
00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,880
Speaker 1: as the thumper, one as the float the guy that

157
00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of runs over top. Um, these are two high

158
00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,400
Speaker 1: level guys that can come in and play in the

159
00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,760
Speaker 1: defense and any necessarily any defense. I think Evans would

160
00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,600
Speaker 1: really be a nice fit in a three four where

161
00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,200
Speaker 1: you can kind of have him kind of be that thumper,

162
00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of come up and take on guards and the light.

163
00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,960
Speaker 1: But I think both of these guys should have tremendous careers.

164
00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,920
Speaker 1: They should be able to make an impact right away.

165
00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm not necessary saying that they should be top ten talents,

166
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,600
Speaker 1: but I do believe in the top twenty, I can

167
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,000
Speaker 1: see both of these guys coming off the board. All right.

168
00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,120
Speaker 1: Before we get to the next one, here is is

169
00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,720
Speaker 1: Mayfield tweeted you again, are you okay? Yeah? I mean

170
00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,360
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield tweeted at me based on my original tweet

171
00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 1: where I, uh let the twitter verse know that I

172
00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,520
Speaker 1: had the book on Baker Mayfield, I put it out there.

173
00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,680
Speaker 1: He responded said that I may have He liked, he

174
00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 1: liked the article, said it was well written, but he

175
00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,840
Speaker 1: said that I may have missed out on his winning,

176
00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,120
Speaker 1: his winning characteristics, much like some people overlooked at with

177
00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,720
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. He felt like maybe he didn't get enough

178
00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,200
Speaker 1: credit for winning. And my reply to him was like, look,

179
00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,320
Speaker 1: you want a lot of games. Your resume is impressive,

180
00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640
Speaker 1: but the questions that are out there are real size

181
00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,360
Speaker 1: as a factor. We want to see you measure in.

182
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,640
Speaker 1: I know you measured in at six ft with six

183
00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760
Speaker 1: o three eight at the Senior Bowl. That is nice,

184
00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: two two hundred and sixteen pounds, which is thick enough

185
00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,000
Speaker 1: to play the position. But what I want to see

186
00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,560
Speaker 1: is one. I want to get a sense of is

187
00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,160
Speaker 1: this really what you're all about, Baker? Are you really

188
00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,559
Speaker 1: about football or is this just kind of an act?

189
00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,760
Speaker 1: And you love the celebrity that comes along with being

190
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,600
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, And to like, what is the intel

191
00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,880
Speaker 1: in terms of how do you see the game? Can

192
00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,640
Speaker 1: we transition from the araid offense that you played at

193
00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,920
Speaker 1: Oklahoma to a traditional pro style offense in the league?

194
00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,120
Speaker 1: Those things was impressive at the Senior Bowl, but I

195
00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,320
Speaker 1: need to continue to see it. And I want to

196
00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,560
Speaker 1: see how he interacts with the rest of the group

197
00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,360
Speaker 1: at the combine. Is he a guy that is the

198
00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,400
Speaker 1: alpha amongst all of those alphas at the position or

199
00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,079
Speaker 1: does he fall back in line? And how do those

200
00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,560
Speaker 1: people perceive him to be as a Howsman Trophy one?

201
00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,400
Speaker 1: And I think real quick I just sum that up.

202
00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,920
Speaker 1: Winning is important. I do agree you you factor in

203
00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,680
Speaker 1: the winning. I want guys to come from a place

204
00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,800
Speaker 1: where they've won. But that does not the end all

205
00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,559
Speaker 1: be all. You can ask Matt Liner, you can ask

206
00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,280
Speaker 1: Jason why, Johnny Manzel, Matt Barkley, you can ask to

207
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,200
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, you can ask Blake Sims how that had

208
00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,480
Speaker 1: worked out for him. So it's a nice component, it's

209
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,080
Speaker 1: a nice feather in your cap, but that's not the

210
00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,640
Speaker 1: be all, end all on the evaluation. But glad to

211
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,520
Speaker 1: know you guys got your friendship bracelets and we can

212
00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,760
Speaker 1: move forward with the podcast year. Ronald Jones and Darius

213
00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,160
Speaker 1: Guys the running backs. I think there's a battle for

214
00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,040
Speaker 1: that spot behind Sae Kwon Barkley. I think everybody has

215
00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 1: him as the clear cut number one buck. But Ronald

216
00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,839
Speaker 1: Jones usc Darius Guys l s U Dari's guys. This

217
00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,679
Speaker 1: guy that I've been intrigued with for two seasons. When

218
00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,160
Speaker 1: he took over and kind of started doing spot duty

219
00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,400
Speaker 1: for Leonard for Netta season ago, I was like, man,

220
00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,160
Speaker 1: who is this kid? Explosive, dynamic, physical plays with a

221
00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,800
Speaker 1: nasty demeanor. I think he has the qualities to be

222
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,160
Speaker 1: an elite front line back and a power based offense.

223
00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,200
Speaker 1: I want to see how he catches the ball out

224
00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,080
Speaker 1: the backfield, but in terms of running and running angry

225
00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,840
Speaker 1: and finishing runs and falling forward at the end of runs,

226
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480
Speaker 1: he runs with the kind of authority that you expect

227
00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,520
Speaker 1: from starting running back in the National Football League. And

228
00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,440
Speaker 1: then when you add in the lineage in terms of

229
00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,640
Speaker 1: playing at l s U, the success that they're running

230
00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,959
Speaker 1: backs of path, I believe he's the guy that's going

231
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,600
Speaker 1: to be pro ready. I think he should have a

232
00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440
Speaker 1: lot of success and a pro style offense. The biggest

233
00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,959
Speaker 1: question I think he has to answer catching the ball,

234
00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,199
Speaker 1: running routes. Didn't have a lot of experience doing that

235
00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,080
Speaker 1: at L s U because they had quarterback issues. Kenny

236
00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,320
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that stays on the field

237
00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,360
Speaker 1: all three downs because that is what you're looking for

238
00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,280
Speaker 1: the position in today's game. Yeah, I use the term

239
00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,120
Speaker 1: a bulldog to describe guys. I mean, obviously, I know

240
00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,200
Speaker 1: he's an L s U Tiger and not a Georgia Bulldog,

241
00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,839
Speaker 1: but just the fightiness that he runs with. He's he

242
00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,040
Speaker 1: got a little nasty temperament, which I like to see.

243
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,920
Speaker 1: Uh what his running style, It wasn't totally healthy all

244
00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,080
Speaker 1: year long. You go back to last year Leonard Fournette,

245
00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,480
Speaker 1: and remember obviously the impact he had with the Jacks,

246
00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,160
Speaker 1: but GUIs was the leading rushier in the SEC on

247
00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,000
Speaker 1: the team with Leonard Fournette. He took the bulk of

248
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,719
Speaker 1: load wye Fournette missing games, so I know he can

249
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,240
Speaker 1: handle a heavier load. Ronald Jones, I just love the

250
00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,839
Speaker 1: burst and the explosiveness that Chris Johnson. Uh, we've seen

251
00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,760
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles, those comparisons float out there. He can hit

252
00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,520
Speaker 1: a home run at any time. I thought he caught

253
00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,360
Speaker 1: the ball better this year. I thought he was a

254
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 1: little bit better in past protection. Anxious to see how

255
00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,280
Speaker 1: they weigh in. Is Ronald Jones gonna weigh in at

256
00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,199
Speaker 1: two oh two? Is he gonna weigh at two fifteen?

257
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,720
Speaker 1: That that'll be a big, big, big deal for him

258
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,040
Speaker 1: in the evaluation process. How much of a load can

259
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,120
Speaker 1: he take? But man, I love his game and guys.

260
00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,880
Speaker 1: To me, I think I've used the Frank Gore a

261
00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,800
Speaker 1: little bit of the young Frank Gore there with him,

262
00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,199
Speaker 1: So I think both those guys are outstanding. That might

263
00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,040
Speaker 1: be of all these were talking about the two guys

264
00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,160
Speaker 1: I have closest to one another and need to sort

265
00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: out as we go forward. I think that's gonna be

266
00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,360
Speaker 1: the big debate um when we're talking about in the

267
00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,880
Speaker 1: first ROUNDE which of those guys go in the first round?

268
00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 1: Do we see two running backs go in the first round?

269
00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,040
Speaker 1: Do we see three running backs go? But whoever is

270
00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,840
Speaker 1: going to be the second one is going to be

271
00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,240
Speaker 1: the winner of this Guys Jones debate. I will say

272
00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,760
Speaker 1: this about Ronald Jones. Watching his tape from a season ago,

273
00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily impressed. I didn't think that he broke

274
00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,400
Speaker 1: a lot of tackles. When I watched the tape from

275
00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,160
Speaker 1: the fall this year, I was very impressed with how

276
00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,720
Speaker 1: he finished runs, how hard he ran with the ball,

277
00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,679
Speaker 1: his ability to get to the second level, whether it's

278
00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,160
Speaker 1: a clean hole or muddy hole, his ability to catch

279
00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,000
Speaker 1: the ball out the backfield. He looks like those guys

280
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,800
Speaker 1: that had success this year, that Alvin Kamars, the Kareem Hunts,

281
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,760
Speaker 1: even the Christian McCaffrey's in terms of their ability to

282
00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of play as those quote unquote factor backs, being

283
00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,120
Speaker 1: able to make their impact known in the passing game

284
00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,880
Speaker 1: as well as being a runner. He has some unique qualities.

285
00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,240
Speaker 1: I think that might be the thing that gives him

286
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,720
Speaker 1: to nod if he can put on an impressive showing

287
00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,680
Speaker 1: at the combine where he runs fast us and he

288
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,959
Speaker 1: also goes through the route running portion of the thing

289
00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,000
Speaker 1: and impresses people. If you want to have some fun,

290
00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,360
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, jump on YouTube and type

291
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,600
Speaker 1: in Ronald Jones high school highlights and watch that dude

292
00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,520
Speaker 1: runted high school. It's a fun one to watch. Trust me,

293
00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy it. Uh, let's go to the center position.

294
00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,800
Speaker 1: But we talked about this the other day. James Daniels

295
00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,160
Speaker 1: from Iowa, Billy Price from Ohio State. Uh, two guys,

296
00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 1: I think some teams are gonna favor one. Uh, that's

297
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna favor the other. Yeah, this is interesting because this

298
00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,400
Speaker 1: position has become very very important. We talked about on

299
00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,840
Speaker 1: the last podcast, building your team right up the middle. Well,

300
00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,640
Speaker 1: the center is the traffic cop in the middle of

301
00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 1: the offensive line for some teams. He takes command of

302
00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,040
Speaker 1: the protections alleviate some of the pressure on the quarterback

303
00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,679
Speaker 1: to make those calls. And so when I'm looking at

304
00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,320
Speaker 1: the center into your block, I want to see high

305
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,720
Speaker 1: i Q, but also want to see the athleticism and

306
00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,719
Speaker 1: movement skills with both of these guys, is ready in

307
00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,199
Speaker 1: a parent and looking at Billy Price, I saw a

308
00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,600
Speaker 1: guy that was very, very easy and comfortable getting to

309
00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,360
Speaker 1: the edges when they asked him pool or do movement

310
00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,920
Speaker 1: based blocking. I feel like he got to the second level.

311
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840
Speaker 1: Felt like he played with really good balancing body control.

312
00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,840
Speaker 1: And when you think about Ohio State and the number

313
00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,240
Speaker 1: of linemen that have come out of there, I think

314
00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,120
Speaker 1: he is a well taught player. He's gonna come in

315
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,440
Speaker 1: and be technically sound. And once again we talked about doubles.

316
00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a nice double. He's right over the

317
00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,120
Speaker 1: shortstops head right in front of the alley, gets to

318
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,800
Speaker 1: the wall and just kind of gets a little stand

319
00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,840
Speaker 1: up double. I don't think you can go wrong with

320
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,040
Speaker 1: Billy Price. Yeah, Billy Price is a bully to wait.

321
00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,920
Speaker 1: I say that in the nicest words to compliment him.

322
00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,280
Speaker 1: Just grab on latch and rag doll defenders. Now that

323
00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,200
Speaker 1: the concern with him on the other side of it

324
00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,400
Speaker 1: every now and I think his feet gets stuck. You

325
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,240
Speaker 1: could watch him, you know, at the bowl game of

326
00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,960
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl, Rahene Green kind of got him with

327
00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,480
Speaker 1: a clean win where his feet got settled and got stuck.

328
00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I think if you're looking at the lateral quickness in

329
00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,960
Speaker 1: the lateral movement, you give the edge to James Daniels

330
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,640
Speaker 1: from Iowa in that regard, just he's got a little

331
00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,320
Speaker 1: bit cleaner feet. He can do a little bit more

332
00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,640
Speaker 1: in a movement run game. Whereas when you're looking at

333
00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,600
Speaker 1: at at Billy Price, I think you want somebody over

334
00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,040
Speaker 1: your nose that can knock you off the ball. Billy

335
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Price is going to be your guy. I think you

336
00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,160
Speaker 1: give the athletic advantage to James Daniels. You see him

337
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,320
Speaker 1: reach the three technique, which is the guy lined up

338
00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,880
Speaker 1: over the guard on the outside edge of the guard.

339
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,520
Speaker 1: You see him do that all the time, which is

340
00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,880
Speaker 1: not an easy block. And I think he's really really

341
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,880
Speaker 1: good working in space, very good working in space. The

342
00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,040
Speaker 1: ability to work in space is unique. UM A lot

343
00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,720
Speaker 1: of times when you get in the league and you're scouting,

344
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure it off on some line when

345
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,320
Speaker 1: we talk about balance and body control, of being able

346
00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,200
Speaker 1: to stay up, being able to finish blocks, can you

347
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,200
Speaker 1: find the guy that is always on the ground that's

348
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily which you want. You want a guy that

349
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,240
Speaker 1: is always clean that finishes latches on. We talked about

350
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,400
Speaker 1: playing from snap to whistle. I think both of these

351
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,480
Speaker 1: guys have the capability. James Daniels is a special, special

352
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,560
Speaker 1: player though. We have guys a lot of aspiring scouts

353
00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,160
Speaker 1: out there to listen to the show. So we'll just

354
00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,400
Speaker 1: give you the one little nugget here when you're watching tape.

355
00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,160
Speaker 1: On offensive lineman, that doesn't count if you're if you're

356
00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,760
Speaker 1: finishing the guy and you go to the ground, no

357
00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,000
Speaker 1: big deal. But on every offensive lineman in the left column,

358
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,920
Speaker 1: just right down O TG on the ground and keep

359
00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,000
Speaker 1: itally and keep itally on that and you'll notice some

360
00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,280
Speaker 1: of the better guys you Balance is an important thing

361
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,360
Speaker 1: at that position. Stay off the ground, so you can

362
00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,280
Speaker 1: keep track of that in each and every game you watch. Absolutely,

363
00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,720
Speaker 1: it's a big trades, a big characteristic talking about talking

364
00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,480
Speaker 1: about the position to offer. Some line coaches around the league,

365
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,600
Speaker 1: they talk about balance, body control. If they can stay up,

366
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,200
Speaker 1: you can work with most of those trades. But if

367
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,280
Speaker 1: they're on the ground, it is hard to play with

368
00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 1: a guy that is always off balance, always on the ground,

369
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,160
Speaker 1: no question. All right, let's get to the fifth one here.

370
00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,080
Speaker 1: We've got three more to go here, Orlando Brown and

371
00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,040
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey. Orlando Brown from Oklahoma, Mike McGlinchey from Notre

372
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,200
Speaker 1: Dame to Mammoth tackles. Uh sorting those two out, You've

373
00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,080
Speaker 1: got again, you've got teams that are Brown teams and

374
00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,600
Speaker 1: you've got teams that are McGlinchey teams. Yeah, this this compelling.

375
00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,480
Speaker 1: I think he comes down to the scheme fit. What

376
00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 1: do you wanted the position on the outside. UM. I

377
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know if both of these guys, I don't know

378
00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,840
Speaker 1: if Orlando Brown is necessarily a true left tackle, but

379
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,640
Speaker 1: I will say and Mike, Mike McGlinchey looks like he

380
00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,240
Speaker 1: could be cable to play left tackle at the pro level.

381
00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,480
Speaker 1: He's tall, he's a little wrecked upright player. I feel

382
00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,520
Speaker 1: like technically he's pretty solid when he is locked in,

383
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,520
Speaker 1: he has his footwork working right, he can kind of

384
00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,480
Speaker 1: snuff out speed, Russias, empower versus head, the ability to anchor.

385
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,840
Speaker 1: The big thing for me is, I don't know how

386
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,359
Speaker 1: great he is as an athlete, and so when we

387
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,960
Speaker 1: get to the comment watch him go through drills. Does

388
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,840
Speaker 1: he have the light feet that you need to be

389
00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,440
Speaker 1: able to play on the edge when you have those

390
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,439
Speaker 1: guys like Von Miller and Lil Mac and some of

391
00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,399
Speaker 1: those other pass rushers hunting off the corner. Does he

392
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,240
Speaker 1: have the wiggle to be able to stand front and

393
00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,159
Speaker 1: shoutow those guys. That's the big question that he'll have

394
00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,159
Speaker 1: to address doing his workout at the combine. Yeah, with

395
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,840
Speaker 1: with McGlinchey, when I look at the negatives and start there.

396
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,159
Speaker 1: The Miami game I struggle with because he had a

397
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 1: tough time. I got struggle with speed. Um struggle with

398
00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 1: some redirect stuff there Athletically that concerned me. Um. I

399
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,200
Speaker 1: do think he's very very aware verse twins and twists

400
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,199
Speaker 1: and stunts. He's instinctive, he can generate movement in the

401
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 1: run game. Um, he's got the ability to drop down

402
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,960
Speaker 1: an anchor versus power rushers, So I like that. I

403
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,040
Speaker 1: think he'll benefit going back to the right side. And

404
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 1: then Orlando Brown is weird because he's enormous. I was

405
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,679
Speaker 1: around his dad when I was with the Ravens Zeus.

406
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, unfortunately he's passed away, but man, just he

407
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,480
Speaker 1: was opposite of Jonathan Ogden, was the biggest tackle tandem

408
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,880
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen in my life. With those

409
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,840
Speaker 1: two guys out there. But Orlando Brown, there's nothing pretty

410
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,040
Speaker 1: about what he does. Buck the knee bend is not great.

411
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,000
Speaker 1: You question his quickness, but at the end of the day,

412
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't. He doesn't really get beat. He gets some blocked,

413
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,199
Speaker 1: he get some block. It's some block. It's not pretty,

414
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,920
Speaker 1: you know. So at the end of the day, that's

415
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,040
Speaker 1: the goal. One thing I will say, going down there

416
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 1: on the field before the Rose Bowl and watching him

417
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,359
Speaker 1: in pregame one of the things I always love to do.

418
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,520
Speaker 1: Get down there and watch these guys stretched, watch the

419
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,159
Speaker 1: offensive lineman stretch. I remember Alex mac when he was

420
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 1: coming out, watching him do the splits and being like, WHOA,

421
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 1: that's okay, that's that's pretty rare. Flexibility for a big man.

422
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,480
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown is very very flexible. Uh it just doesn't

423
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't play with enough Need's a tall guy, so that's

424
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,399
Speaker 1: a little bit of an issue there. Uh, just sometimes

425
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,159
Speaker 1: takes a while to get comfortable there. I know he

426
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 1: can do it. I think he's got room to grow

427
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 1: in the position and technique wise, and I think the

428
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,359
Speaker 1: upside is actually pretty good for him. Yeah, I think so.

429
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 1: I think I think when you look at that size,

430
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 1: his ability created push and even though it's not always

431
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty and some power based schemes, his ability to move

432
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 1: people off the ball would be a huge asset. As

433
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: some of the teams in the league are transitioning back

434
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 1: to power based football teams, Orlando Brown would be a

435
00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: guy that they will cover it, maybe a little more

436
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: than Mike Um. I think the big thing will be

437
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: at the comment watching him doing those shadow drills. Do

438
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable maybe putting him on the left? Where

439
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: is he a guy that is destined to play on

440
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,679
Speaker 1: the right side and he's going to have to be

441
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 1: a right tackle all day. The interesting thing about that

442
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: now defensive coordinators are putting two pass rushes on the field,

443
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: and one of those the pass rush just coming from

444
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: the defensive left, which is right opposite where Linda Brown

445
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 1: could be lined up. All right, I'm gonna go through

446
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: this next one quick because I feel like we just

447
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: did this full discussion on this topic on the last podcast.

448
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this this the first time

449
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: you've caught us, go back and listen to the podcast

450
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 1: that we did earlier this week, because we have a

451
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: long discussion on Sam Donald versus Josh Rosen. It's going

452
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 1: to be one of the more popular debates to take

453
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: place throughout the draft process. But I feel like we

454
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: hit this one pretty good last time. Buck. Yeah. I

455
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: think the best way that I can summarize it is

456
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: in basketball terms. Josh Rosen is a shooter. Sam Donald

457
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 1: is a score. It may look different, but they both

458
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 1: are effective in their own way. Sam Donald is a

459
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: guy that you can count on. He's a gunslinger. He

460
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: plays in big games and loves the stage. Josh Rosen

461
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: also has performed well in big games. This will be

462
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 1: an interesting debate as we continue to run up to

463
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: the draft and the next one. Here. Again, I think

464
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: we touched this pretty good on the last episode. We

465
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: can touch on it briefly here though. The finale, which

466
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 1: I think maybe the most fascinating debate. H Josh Allen

467
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: from Wyoming versus Lamar Jackson from Louisville. Bucky, you have

468
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 1: you have summarized this beautifully. I've heard you used the

469
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 1: phrase of comparing these two guys and what what the

470
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: debate will come down to. I'll give you the floor.

471
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even remember how to summarize it,

472
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: but you always say you're line don't. No, I don't.

473
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I can't remember. I don't want

474
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: to steal it. I don't want to steal your line

475
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: because it's a line. It is a classic case of potential.

476
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is. It is a great debate.

477
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: I think this one is going to test the ideology

478
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: of a lot of scouts across the league, unless a

479
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: partner would have just stolen that and adopted that and

480
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: claimed it is my own. I just kind of that's

481
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: a kind of friend that I am. But I didn't.

482
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was like, I was like, man,

483
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: what did I say about that? I can't from what

484
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: I said about those guys? Um. I think with Josh Allen,

485
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: I think what you're looking at as a guy who's

486
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: the prototype prototypical size, um above, prototypical arm, talent, athleticism. Uh.

487
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: You see the flashes when he is on he is

488
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: ripping it, making these hero throws that are remarkable. However,

489
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: when it comes down to the production, the production isn't

490
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 1: necessarily what you want from an elite or top five

491
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: prospect because you don't have enough visual evidence in a

492
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: stretch of games to say, Okay, this is what he's

493
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 1: going to be at the next level. Lamar Jackson is

494
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: a little different. Not necessarily the prototype plays the game

495
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: in a different way, but as an ultra explosive and

496
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: electric athlete and playmaker. Um there are things that he

497
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: does with the ball tucked in the right harm where

498
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: he is terrific in terms of being in space, making

499
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: plays on the perimeter, running the ball. Back to back

500
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: fift hundred yard rushing seasons that Louisville through for over

501
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: three thousand yards, and both of those years accounted for

502
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: a hundred and nineteen touchdowns. The issue that you have

503
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: is is he good enough as a passer to be

504
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: able to build an offense around. Yes, he gets his

505
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: completion percentage improved every year. He finished this year. And

506
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: when I looked at their offense, what is weird? I

507
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: expected to see a lot of bubble screens. They don't

508
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: really throw bubble screens. I don't know if he can't

509
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: throw him. They throw a lot of quicks, a lot

510
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: of double slants, a lot of y stick, a lot

511
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: of things that happened at ten yards from the line

512
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. But he doesn't get the benefit of some

513
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: bubble screens. And then he's been coached by Bobby Petrino.

514
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: I think the big thing will be Josh Allen is

515
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: easier for most offensive coordinators to wrap their brains around

516
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: saying that I can fix his footwork. If I fix this,

517
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: he can play Lamar Jackson. Requires a little more creativity,

518
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: some innovation, some different thinking to figure out how can

519
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 1: I put him in the best position to succeed. I

520
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: think that is why this is a really really interesting debate,

521
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: one that's gonna be difficult for a lot of evaluators

522
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: in the draft class. Yeah, it's gonna be uh, it's

523
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a really interesting discussion when when you look

524
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: at it, I was actually, while we were sitting here talking,

525
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: I have struggled to come up with a good comp

526
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. So while you're ripping off your takes there,

527
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually was looking up different guys that popped into

528
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: my mind. Okay, so how about this. I played against

529
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: Dante Culpepper in college, and from a skill set standpoint,

530
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: I actually think Josh Allen has a similar skill set

531
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: to Dante Coulpepper. There big physical guys that can move around,

532
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: guys that can make those drive throws look easy. I

533
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: went back and looked up you know what Dante Culpepper's

534
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: completion percentage was his last year at Central Florida buck

535
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: seventy three point six. Really, how about that? So I

536
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: was like, well, scrap that comparison. That one's out. Then

537
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: you go back and look up Ben Roethlisberger, which has

538
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: been a comparison a lot of people used for Josh

539
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: Allen sixty nine coming out his last year. UM and

540
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: again you mentioned it no layups in this Wyoming offense.

541
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: I think that does have an impact there. He's got

542
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: some drop passes as well. Not a lot separation when

543
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: you look at their skill position players. But okay, so

544
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: as much as I've tried to fight this, Carson Wentz

545
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: being the fact that they were in the same offense,

546
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: same coaching staff. Really they left the North Dakota and

547
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: went to Wyoming with with Craig Bowl. So Carson's last year,

548
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: they're sixty two point five percent, not a super high

549
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: completion percentage. And then you look at Josh Allen this

550
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: last year, I believe it was fifty six point three. Again,

551
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: don't get too carried away with completion percentage. When you're

552
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: comparing players. It's all about ball placement that factors and

553
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: drops and factors in the easy throws you're given or

554
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: not given. But I think there's a that's not that's

555
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: not too dissimilar. When you look at sixty two point

556
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: five fifty six point three, Carson at that level he

557
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: played at, I think he lined up with better players

558
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: than he played against, whereas Wyoming, for the most part,

559
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: I think you lined up with players inferior to the

560
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: guys you're playing against. So I think I'm gonna end

561
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: up just kind of coming back to the wins comparison

562
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: with him and said, Okay, it's a little bit lesser

563
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: version of Carson Wentz. I think that's probably the cleanest

564
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: comparison you have another one, No, I really don't, because

565
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: his arm telling that exceedes anything that I can think of.

566
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: Like if I we were talking about the accuracy issues

567
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: and I were talking about Blake Bortles, but Blake Bortles, Um,

568
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: it's not quite the pure talent that Josh Allen is.

569
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: And then when you bring up Man Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger

570
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: had a high level of production for three years at

571
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio, So I don't think that's necessarily apples

572
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: to apples comparison. Carson Wentz is a good comparison because

573
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: they played in the same offense, They're asked to do

574
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: similar things, they have similar frames um. And there were

575
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: questions about Carson Wentz because remember, he broke his wrist

576
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: or some injury that kind of affected his senior senior season,

577
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't able to necessarily put it up, and then

578
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: he also struggled with some of the throws. The thing

579
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: that might be a little different. I felt like there

580
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: were games where I felt I sensed that Carson Wentz

581
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: was the best guy on the field. I don't know

582
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: if I have enough evidence to say that Josh Allen

583
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: was the best guy on the field in a game

584
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: against like upper echelon players. And so that's the thing,

585
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: and that brings me back to the debate with Alan

586
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: and Jackson. I've seen Lamar Jackson crush Florida State multiple times.

587
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: I saw him in a game against the Shawn Watson

588
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: where he was the better guy on the field at

589
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback spot. Now, what do you do with that

590
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: when a lot of those plays may have been through

591
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: his legs or runs or improp to scrambles but his

592
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: blue quality, his blue quality as an athlete is remarkable,

593
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: just like Josh Allen's blue quality as a thrower is exceptional.

594
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's a difficult debate. I

595
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: think it comes down to style and what your preferences.

596
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: And when it comes down to preferences, I believe Josh

597
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: Allen styal and his makeup is going to be the

598
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: one that is preferred more so than Lamar Jackson, even

599
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: though I think Lamar Jackson is a better overall football player. Yeah.

600
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Lamar Jackson does some unique things. Um.

601
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Now we can sit here and nitpick and and he

602
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: deserves some some criticism when you look at mechanics and

603
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: you look at accuracy and touch. Um, he didn't finish

604
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: up great in the your ego, but he has had

605
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: those high marks. I think there's a there's a there's

606
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: still a pretty good swing there between good Lamar and

607
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: bad Lamar in terms of just want him to be

608
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: settled in and be more consistent. But the the upside

609
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and the flashes and the best games for him, man,

610
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: they it's pretty special. It's pretty unique what he brings

611
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: to the table. So I think both these guys carry risk.

612
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: I think you kind of hit it on the head though,

613
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: in that there's teams are more comfortable with the risk

614
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: of Josh Allen because they've seen that payoff more. Um,

615
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: when you have everything else prototypical in terms of the size,

616
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: the coming out of the offense, and everything else that

617
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: checks out with him, just the accuracy is the thing

618
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to to work through Lamar Jackson, I think

619
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: maybe takes more faith for them and imagination and creativity. UM.

620
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: So I look, I think it'll be. I think there'll

621
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: be teams around the league that have Lamar Jackson over

622
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I definitely think that will be, but I

623
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: think the majority of them will have Josh Allen over Lamar.

624
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: I agree with that assessment. Um. I have a tough

625
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: time coming up with teams that I think would pull

626
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: the trigger on Lamar Jackson in the first round, second

627
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: round not so much. But in thinking about teams that fit,

628
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time coming up with names

629
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: are coming with the Seattle Seahawks um as the main one. UM.

630
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: There's some conversation about the Miami Dolphins and what the

631
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: Dolphins could do, Adam Gates could do with a creative

632
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: player like that. Um As much as I would love

633
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: for him to go to Jacksonville, I don't think that's

634
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: in play. Um So, I just think he is. He

635
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: is in a real shallow pool like whereas Josh Allen

636
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: is fishing in the ocean, I think Lamar jackson Is

637
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: is fishing in the cement pond, as they used to

638
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: say on the that's a good way of putting that.

639
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: How about this. This is the biggest feather in Josh

640
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: Allen's cap right here is San Jose State. He did

641
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: not play against San Jose State, and that Wyoming team

642
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: lost to San Jose State. I I called the San

643
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: Jose State game against Utah State, Okay, not against Alabama

644
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: against Utah State. Utah State beat San Jose State. Utah

645
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: beat them fifty four to sixteen. Texas beat them fifty

646
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: six to zero. San Diego State beat him fifty two

647
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: to seven. Uh Nevada beat him fifty nine to fourteen.

648
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: Colorado State beat him forty two to fourteen. Wyoming lost.

649
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: They lost to San Jose State without Josh Allen. That's

650
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: how bad that Wyoming team is without him. They're they're

651
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: only wins for San Jose State last year were wyoming

652
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: without Josh Allen and they took care of cow poly.

653
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Hats off to the Spartans. That was an awful football

654
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: to tame. So that, to me, that's the best thing

655
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: that happened to Josh Allen was not playing against San

656
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Jose State. Yeah, because we got a chance to see

657
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: the talent disparity. That's a that's a good one. I

658
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that. I never would have used the San

659
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: Jose Spartans as the common denominator, but I did. It

660
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: was over, it was Utah State, it was ten, was

661
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: the final. They could have been a hundred and sixty one,

662
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: uh if they wanted it to be. All right, real,

663
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: let's roll through these fast here, this little thing a

664
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: little best role? Where do they play? These are guys

665
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: that have some position flexibility, So let's roll through a

666
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: real quick here and just tell me where you think

667
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: they fit best. If you're gonna park him in a

668
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: position at the next level, what would it be. Let's

669
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: start Menca Fitzpatrick. I think he's a nickel dB. I

670
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: think he's a slot corner that can blitz cover tight

671
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: ends and occasionally play in the middle of the field.

672
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: Love his versatility. I think he's kind of a Swiss

673
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Army knife, and we've seen more of those players go

674
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: early in the draft at that position. I like him.

675
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I love him as a nickel. I like that, but

676
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: I actually have him as the high safety um as

677
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: much as you want to play him up there as

678
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: much as possible as the high safety, let him roam

679
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: over the top, let him use that range in his

680
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: instincts to make plays. And then if you get nickel situations,

681
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: you want to drop him down there. Drop him down

682
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: there and let him cover over the slot. He can.

683
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: He can do that as well. I make him primarily

684
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: a high player. Marcus Davenport the edge rusher from U. T.

685
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: S A. He's an elephant meaning uh. In old school defenses,

686
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: back when the forty nine is really good, they had

687
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: a guy that was kind of a combination of a

688
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: defensive end slash linebacker. I think Marcus Devonport the best

689
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: thing he does is rush occasionally from a two point stance.

690
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I want to put him in a situation where he

691
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: can stand up, he can put his hand down. I

692
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: want marks to be comfortable, because when a comfortable markets

693
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: is playing, it's a disruptive markets. So that's what I

694
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be. Yeah, I like him standing up. He's

695
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: a totally different player. Maybe eventually you get him comfortable

696
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: in three or four point stance either one. Right now

697
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: he is much more comfortable from a three point or

698
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: from a two point. I think you you get him

699
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: to a three or four team. He's an oh b um.

700
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I'd like the elephant and kind of Charles Haley role

701
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: that you were French there. I think he fits beautifully

702
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: in there as well. How about this comparison from a

703
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: D line coach. Uh, it's been in the league for

704
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: a long long time. I don't know if I mentioned

705
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: this one to you at all. Uh. He hit me

706
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: with Jason Taylor with body type with Davenport and the

707
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: way he can kind of move and plays hard. Well,

708
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: he's long and range. You like Jason Taylor, But Jason

709
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Taylor coming out of school was real skinny though I

710
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: think he was like two. But if you think about

711
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: the way Jason Taylor was expected to be used when

712
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: he came into the league, he was expected to have

713
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: to occupy an elephant type role because people didn't think

714
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: that he would ever be big enough to be able

715
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: to kind of hold his own on the edge. He

716
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: proved them wrong, became a Hall of Famer. Marcus Davenport

717
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: being compared to Jason Taylor. That is lofty praise from

718
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: a defensive line coach in the league. Yeah, so we'll

719
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: see what happens there. Sam Hubbard, same type of a deal. Uh,

720
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: what his role as I'll start us off here. I

721
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: like him as kind of a base end. So if

722
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: you're a four three team, be that left end. Uh

723
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: can kind of hold up, hold the point of attack

724
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: versus the run, can give you some power rush. Um. Look,

725
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: if you need to drop him a couple of times

726
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: a game, I think he could be functional enough to

727
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think that's where he make his living,

728
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: but I like him as a fourth three end and

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: preferred furably on the left side. Uh, you know, I

730
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of see him as a versatile edge player. Um gosh,

731
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I hate to meet these comparisons, but when you think

732
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: about what Chris Long was coming out of u V

733
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: A very similar in terms of the way they play.

734
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a little more smooth and explosive than Chris,

735
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: but in terms of the ability to kind of play

736
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: Rockham sock'em robot football on the edge. I think he

737
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: can do that. So when you think about that based

738
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: end that you're talking about, Sam Hubbert certainly can play

739
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: that athletic background I love to kill. I think he's

740
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a really really good player. Consider it stolen

741
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Chris Long as a comparison, hijacking that one we're in

742
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: combined coverage. That will be my comp for Sam Hubbard.

743
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: I love that one. Uh Uchenna Nwosu from from USC

744
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: explosive high motor player. UM. I think it's one of

745
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: these hybrid uh multiple fronts three four or four three.

746
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I think he's best when he's able to kind of

747
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: stand up and play or play against open ends. UM,

748
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: and he plays on the open side to split the

749
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: side so he doesn't face the tight end. He has

750
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: a clear run to the quarterback. UH. We've seen him

751
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: dominate games in the PACT well. UM. I dig him. Explosive,

752
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: high motor, relentless. I think he's a really really good

753
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: football player. They didn't ask him to do this a

754
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of the Senior Bowl, but I think one of

755
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: the best things he can do, knowing his background is

756
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: the safety is cover cover tight ends. And running backs.

757
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I look at a way that that even backing him

758
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: off the ball like a Kyle van Noy was used

759
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: once he got to the New England Patriots, I think

760
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: Neelso could be used in that similar type of role.

761
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: The other thing he does better than anybody in this

762
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: whole draft is he bats down passes. He has a

763
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: great feel uh in a rush when he knows the

764
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: rush is dead, or he sends his a short set

765
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: by the quarterback, he gets his eyes back there. He

766
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: can jump. He knocks down a ton of balls, kind

767
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: of like J. J. Watt did his first his first

768
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: couple of years when he was rolling and they were

769
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: using him with the what the JJ swat nickname back

770
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: in the day. So I kind of like him off

771
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: the ball even even more so. I think it's more

772
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: of a blitzer than a pass rusher. Last one, Tremaine Edmunds,

773
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: the talent at the linebacker for Virginia Tech Bucket. You

774
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: know Tremaine and he's he's an avatar. He is, he

775
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: is can, he can be whatever you want him to be.

776
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I've seen him play on the edge. I was at

777
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: the Camping Tour whatever bowl they called it down in Orlando.

778
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: He used to be desisisable, but he was the World

779
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Camping I want to go world World Camping. Whatever that

780
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: is used to be the Russell Athletic Bowl and something

781
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: else before that. But Watchington play against Oklahoma State. I

782
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: was really impressed with his ability to play off the edge,

783
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: talking about a long range a cat, a guy that

784
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: can really line up on the edge but also kind

785
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: of transition and moved back inside. I really believe that

786
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: you put him in a position where you can see ball,

787
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: get ball, whether that's off the edge, whether that's backed up,

788
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: whether that's an inside linebacker. He is a disruptive player.

789
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I don't put any

790
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: shackles on him. I let him run free to the

791
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: ball and make plays. Yeah. I think again, it's just

792
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna be you're imaginations put to the test because I

793
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: think he can do everything. Um, I just like him.

794
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: I like him off the ball. I like him being

795
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: able to run sideline to sideline. And the thing with

796
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: him with his length in the in the passing game,

797
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: that's a lot to sort through and we're trying to

798
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: work in the middle of the field. He's got a wingspan.

799
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: It's almost just like a basketball team, you want long

800
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: guys just to be able to fill up passing lanes.

801
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: It's the same in football. If you get a long,

802
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: um explosive athlete like that in the middle of the field,

803
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: not only help you with his range with his legs,

804
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: I think just his length can cause some problems in there.

805
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely he I mean, he's a fun player, and I

806
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: do believe this is a situation where when you're just

807
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: scouting staff, you're a general manager, you bring a defensive

808
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: coordinator in. You're looking at the tape and the defensive

809
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: coordinator is outlining his plan for how he would use

810
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: him if we brought him in. I think it's very,

811
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: very important that you have a clear plan ahead of

812
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: time so you don't waste a year trying to figure

813
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: out what he can be in your defense. No question

814
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: um with either. Speaking of Tremaine at and gets us

815
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: to the next portion of the show here today, we

816
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: always when you're interviewing players, one of the things we

817
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: love to ask him we did in our scouting career.

818
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: You ask him who the best player that they played

819
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: against during the fall, so you get a little scouting

820
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: report from the players. Were actually asking the players to

821
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: turn into scouts and you start hearing some of the

822
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: same names over and over again as you talk to

823
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: more players around the country. I just let you know

824
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: where the respect level was, and hey, maybe we need

825
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: to revisit this guy. If he was a challenge for

826
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: these guys to play against, maybe I need to go

827
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: back and revisit my report. So we had a chance

828
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl to talk to Tanner League quarterbacks

829
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: from Nebraska, Kurt Ben Kurt quarterback from Virginia, Harrison Phillips,

830
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: a defensive line lineman from Stanford, and asked them the

831
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: best player they played against. Here's what they had to say.

832
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: All right, excited to be joined by Nebraska quarterback Tanner

833
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: Lee here and look, we're both former scouts, so we

834
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: want you. We're gonna ask you to put your scout

835
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: hat on for just a quick second here. Going through

836
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: that slate of teams you played against here, especially in

837
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. When you're watching tape during the week,

838
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: give me one player, one opposing player when you're watch tape,

839
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: you go, well, get me better watch out for this one. Yeah.

840
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I keep getting that question, and it's tough. I mean,

841
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: we played against a lot of guys, but um, you

842
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: gotta pick and you know it's a scout. You guys

843
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: jump off the tape and you don't even have to

844
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: know who you're looking for. And I think that guy

845
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: was Josie Jewel at Iowa. That linebacker. I think I

846
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: feel like every player he was there making the tackle.

847
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: He was in my face the whole game, you know,

848
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: and I and I was like, yeah, they're freaking four

849
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: of these guys out there. It was, it was, it was.

850
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: It was really like, that's what it's like to play

851
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: against a guy that's a one of two times consensus

852
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: All American UM one of the best players in Iowa history.

853
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, that's um. So that was good to go

854
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: against him, and um, you know, he's definitely one of

855
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: the best guys I played against. Kurt Ben Kurt here

856
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: at quarterback from Buckey's favorite school, Virginia. Best player that

857
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you watched on opposing tape this year? Man, that's tough.

858
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: I think. Let me see, I'll get a scout. You

859
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: are not mine. I'm looking at the schedule and I

860
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: got my guy. Yeah. I I wasn't gonna watch a

861
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: lot of him on film from this year, but last

862
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: year it was Joy Alexander that was the guy. Is

863
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: that your guy? He's I just did him last and

864
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I just told about him today. He's he can't. So

865
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: he was injured all season and then just so happened

866
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: to come back when we were playing them this year

867
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, great, this guy's back. And he didn't

868
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: have any interceptions, I don't think against me. I threw one.

869
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was to him. But he's

870
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: just he's a difference maker. Man. He's he's scrappy, plays

871
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: bigger than his size, and he's he kind of reminds

872
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: me of Vernon Hargrave is a little bits he got

873
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: that like edginess to him. That's that's what he reminds

874
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: me of. But last year he had a really good

875
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: game against us UM. But there's there's a d tackle

876
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: from Virginia Tech who I would say on film is

877
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: just the most dominant, big natural two gapper there is.

878
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: So how about the h I was gonna hit you

879
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: with another player fround there from uh from Tech? Was

880
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: it the one of the Edmunds brothers. Yeah, he's a freak.

881
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: They can move him to Nickel at that size and

882
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: they can bring him as a strong they can do

883
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: everything with him. He's a really hard person to play against.

884
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: All right, I'm looking at my uv A noteng here

885
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: Alexander and now he's a pretty good scout here. Uh,

886
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: this is the Virginia game. Um effective two hand jim

887
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: react locate, he had two pass breakups. Were just played

888
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: the ball, tremendously physical tackle. Um he's got He had

889
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: a little swagger to he hit somebody on a little

890
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: peel route and just laid him out and stood over

891
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: him a little bit. He's got a little edge to him.

892
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Now he's fun to watch. All right. We're here with

893
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: our old friend Harrison Phillips here from Stanford. Got a

894
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: chance to talk with him before the season started. Pack

895
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: twelve from day. Here we are at the recent senior Boy.

896
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: How you doing, man? Doing great? Love the experience so far.

897
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of good dudes. Was the one

898
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: guy that jumped out at you the most? You know, Uh,

899
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: could be any position? Yeah, um shoot, I would have

900
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: to throw some depths first and foremost Quinton Nelson Uh

901
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. He was you know, every time I could,

902
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: I could, I'd watch their games when they're on TV.

903
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: If we had time or obviously when we got to

904
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: that game. Week watch all their games and he worked

905
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: so well together with with Bike over there at left tackle. Um,

906
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: the combos and the one on ones, he wins very

907
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: very well. Um. I was really impressed with the Arizona

908
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: State running back to that's down here. He runs hard

909
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: and yeah the lage he's a he's a really good runner. Um.

910
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: So when I watched when I watched film on him,

911
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that, uh that stood

912
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: out to me. And then um for elusiveness. Uh Sam Donald, Um,

913
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: you know had had him backed up a couple of times.

914
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: They're backed up. Take us through, take us through a

915
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: little bit of that there what that was like in

916
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: that game at packed Golf Championship game. Uh, emotional roller coaster.

917
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: So many highs and so many lows. Um, you know,

918
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: proud of the guys for how we stayed in and fought,

919
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, so many close. I mean, if you could

920
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: have two plays back, we win that game. You could

921
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: have five plays back, we blow out that game. So um,

922
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's that frustration that comes with it

923
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: where you give your all and you're an inch away

924
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: and you gotta line up and go give your all again.

925
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the reason why we

926
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: all love the game so much. Um. But I was

927
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: very very happy that, after however many snaps it took,

928
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: I finally gotta be on top of one play. I

929
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: got a Saturday afterwards. Uh afterwards, I said, I think

930
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: it was the third down two, so it was the

931
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: end of the drive. And I said, I've been waiting

932
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: so long, alright, Buck, So there's some interesting answers there.

933
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: I thought. Harrison Phillips given us a little quick take

934
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: on a couple of different guys. But the story on

935
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Sam Donald is classic. He finally he finally got to

936
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: him after chasing him for a couple of years, and

937
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: he finally got him. But man, it's it's always fascinating

938
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: to hear what these players have to say about one another.

939
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm a big believer in letting players scout

940
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: other players. Years ago at the Combine University of Miami

941
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: had a ton of players in their draft. I think

942
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: may have been Roscoe Parishes draft class, and I asked

943
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: him to a man, it was Roscolle Parish who was colling.

944
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: Colan Winslow might have been in the draft that year.

945
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: But I asked him, who's the best player that you

946
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: saw during your time at the U To a man,

947
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: they all said Frank Gore. They said Frank was the

948
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: best player that we have ever seen. Frank Gory in

949
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: three running back up out of here. And so when

950
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: you hear players who have been around other great players,

951
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: single out of player and it's kind of unanimous or

952
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a consensus, it kind of gets my antenna up

953
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: and I'm looking to see if I miss something on

954
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: this kid. But yeah, that's the story that I have

955
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: that I always kind of throw out when I'm asking

956
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: players because I think it matters because sometimes guys know

957
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: a little more than you from the outside. Now, one

958
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: of the other questions, this is the last topic here

959
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: along the lines of what we're saying here, other good

960
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: questions you've found when you're interviewing guys at the combine

961
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: that you've you've found got good information based off of

962
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: this particular question. Is there another one outside of like

963
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: who's the best player you played against? It comes to mind,

964
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: it's been helpful for you. UM A lot of times.

965
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: What I will try and ask a player the game

966
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: is on the line, what is your favorite play or

967
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: your best move? Like what is your go to move? So,

968
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: if I'm asking a pass for us, like a Khalil

969
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 1: mac Um fourth and fourth and game is on the line,

970
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And I want to have

971
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: them walk me through. Ay, I'm a line up in

972
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: a Y nine, I'm coming off the age, I'm taking

973
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: three steps, I'm reading what the tackle does. I want

974
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: to know if they're able to really articulate the plan

975
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: that they go out on the field and try and

976
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: execute individually. To me, that that tells me a lot

977
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: about what they knew about themselves, how much they have

978
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: in their toolbox, and do they know when to apply

979
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: those tools in a game. I love having people walking

980
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: me through what is their go to or their signature move.

981
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's recent for me is I've become

982
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: big into the recall thing with quarterbacks. I think that

983
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: position memory is very important, and being able to remember

984
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: specific situations and the details involved, I think tells you

985
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot about not all their preparation going into that game,

986
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: the film study they did coming out of that game

987
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: to learn what they did right, what they did wrong, um,

988
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: and their understanding of what they were playing against. So like,

989
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I remember last year one of the things when we

990
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: had Pat homes on which impressed me. I remember bringing

991
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: up I think was TCU game. Hey, TCU game, late

992
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: in the ballgame, Uh, you throw a touchdown your the

993
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: ten yard line. You end up hitting a touchdown, uh

994
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: to tie the game. I think you sent it over time.

995
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Whatever the details were. Um, So I hit him with

996
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: the specific play and I said, can you remember what

997
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: the play call was, what the coverage was, what you

998
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: saw and man, but I don't know if you remember

999
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: he boomed. Yes, he killed it. He spit it all out.

1000
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: And I thought that was impressive. That showed me a

1001
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: level of detail. And uh, the memory there for the

1002
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: quarterback position, I thought was was was pretty important. Yeah,

1003
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: because one thing that we don't have the opportunity to

1004
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: do when we're scouse, we really don't get a chance

1005
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: to really get to know the kid. We may get

1006
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: a chance to get them around him in a COMBA

1007
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: from maybe fifteen or so minutes visiting with them on

1008
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour visit when they come the pro day,

1009
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: we have a couple of hours with it, but you're

1010
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: really not around them a lot before you make these decisions.

1011
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: So the best way to kind of figure out who

1012
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: they are and what they are is to try and

1013
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: peel back the curtain a little bit. See what today know?

1014
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: How did they go about it? Um? What is their

1015
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: process for getting ready and the like? So those questions, um,

1016
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: I love to set them up because I am trying

1017
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: to really assess how much do you really care about

1018
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: the game? Because if you really care about it, you

1019
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: have a detailed plan for being successful at it. Can

1020
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: you tell me that? Can you share that plan? That's

1021
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: really what I want to know about you because football

1022
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: has to mean a lot to you to have success

1023
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: in this league, man, no question, Um, I think that's great.

1024
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: I also love you know, hey, give me your goals.

1025
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Let's work backwards to forwards. What's what do you want

1026
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: to be and how the heck are you going to

1027
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: get there? The more detail you can give me, the better.

1028
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: So I think those are helpful questions. Once you can

1029
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: get those guys in the combine interview, after you've gone

1030
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: through the background and got all that stuff taken care of,

1031
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that helps you learn about the player as well. Well,

1032
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: that's all we got here today, black Man we covered

1033
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. Um, We've got so many different

1034
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: ideas coming in the future, though, I mean, this is

1035
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna be How fun is this draft gonna be? This

1036
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: draft is gonna be fun because we got stars at

1037
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, but we also have some notable names

1038
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: and the other spots. And as we found out today,

1039
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: we have a lot of debate. And anytime you can

1040
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: start having debate and have conversations and forcing people to

1041
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: look at things from a different perspective, you have an

1042
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a good draft. I think we will

1043
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: have an outstanding twin eighteen draft. And those are those

1044
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: listening are our partner. Mike Mayock at the Network just

1045
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: launched his top five lists, so you can go to

1046
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. You can find Mike Mayock's top five

1047
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: positional list. Bucky has had his top five up for

1048
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: a while. I believe you just go NFL dot com

1049
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: slash Bucky Brooks. You can find all Bucky's top fives

1050
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: on their My Top fifty is up a's NFL dot

1051
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: com slash top fifty. So there's tons of stuff on

1052
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. If you're looking to get your your

1053
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: draft fixed, well, let's get out of here, man, Sure,

1054
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: get out of here man. It's been a good one.

1055
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: We're done. That is all, she wrote. Thank you guys

1056
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks for subscribing, Thanks for leaving us those

1057
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: reviews and rankings on on Apple Podcasts. We appreciate that,

1058
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: and we'll be back with a couple more episodes for

1059
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: you next week. We're just getting started here, I'll Move

1060
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: the Sticks. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel

1061
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot

1062
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: com Slash Podcasts.