1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Every day. Click up the Breakfast Club finish for y'all. Dump. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it's the world's most dangerous morning to show to 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Charlamagne and God just hilarious. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 3: DJ Nvy Nvy is out the day, but Lauren le. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Rossa is here and we got a very special guest, 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: one of my favorite artists man, and I am so 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: glad he got some new music coming out. 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: Miguel is here, ladies. 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 3: Brother? 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. How you guys doing Blessed Black 12 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: and Holly Face? That's right, Blessed and Black and highly favored, 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: is right. 14 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: I'm just happy you putting out music man. And it's funny. 15 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: We were literally having a conversation on the radio recently, 16 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: like in the last. 17 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: Week or two about what's up with Miguel. 18 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Miguel, that's crazy. 19 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 4: I think we talked about Michel too. Thomas was here 20 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 4: probably yea, because. 21 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 5: You got timeless records man, Like you know, even though 22 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 5: we've been waiting for you, like, it's still things that 23 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 5: we can go back and listen to and it's forever 24 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 5: a classic. 25 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: So thank you for saying that. Yeah, I mean, I've 26 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: been feeling the same way though. It's time. It's been time, 27 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to be back out. We got we 28 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: have a few records alread out and the album's out 29 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: October twenty third, so you know, I'm just kind of 30 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: getting it. We're doing the thing. 31 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 6: The name of the album is called Chaos. Yes, yes, 32 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 6: it's about that. Break that down a little bit, man. 33 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I feel it's everywhere, you know, just look out and 34 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: you know, pull up your phone. I feel like it's 35 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: probably the best word for the times that we live in. 36 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: And so you know, I made an album about how 37 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: that's been a big part of my growth, and I mean, 38 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: I think it's an inflection point, you know. I think overall, 39 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: when we go through crazy and trying times, it's an 40 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: opportunity for us to really take that in, to make it, 41 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, clarifying. And so that's what this album really is. 42 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: I think it's my most like relatable. 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 6: Album obviously Where Were You? 44 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Also my most angry and horny album. 45 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 6: Oh I love how Angry Horny. 46 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: Even the production of it gives it's like anger, but 47 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 4: then there's like a colectic like come over here vibe, 48 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: Like yeah, it's a lot of it. I think you're 49 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 4: about the is where were you, like. 50 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, where were you mentally and emotionally and creating the album? 51 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Everywhere? I feel it. It's to be Uh, it 52 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: spans eight years. You know, it's been eight years since 53 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: I put out my last album, Warren Leisure, And you know, 54 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: we've been through you know, pandemic. We've been through everything. 55 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean apparently we we we we made it through 56 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: the rapture. Apparently. I'm like, yeah, we're supposed to see 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: aliens in a couple of weeks. I don't know. It's 58 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: it's it's everything everywhere, all at once, at all times. 59 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: And so the head space has been pretty pretty much 60 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: reflective of that. It's like we're I feel we're doing 61 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: the best we can. It's a lot of pressure right now, 62 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: and that's what really created the album. 63 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: I think, by the way, eight years isn't a long 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: time because there's certain artists, you know, you Jill Scott, Ericabadundrick. 65 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: I don't need you all to put out records every year. Yeah, 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: I mean put out records when the spirit moves. 67 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Valid yeah yeah, yeah. 68 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: And you know, you've always been proud of your Mexican roots, 69 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: but it seems like you're leaning into the more deeply. 70 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: Now, what inspired that shift? Man? 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: That's ah, that's digging and and really get into I 72 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: really didn't want to do music anymore. I was getting 73 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: to a place where I was like, and the reason 74 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: why is which I feel like, you know in your 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: books and man, congratulations bro, because the last time I 76 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: was you know, it was before you publish your first book. 77 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: So congratulations. 78 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 4: Man. 79 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it's an incredible feat that's like up there with 80 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: like running a marathon. You know, it's like, I'm probably 81 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: never going to run a marathon or write a book, 82 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, yeah, why didn't. 83 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: You want to do music? 84 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 6: Why did you almost walk away from it? 85 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Uh? My priority, the way I was prioritizing, how it 86 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: affected my my sense of myself. You know, I think 87 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: I entered into my career as a musician, as an 88 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: artist with the idea of becoming someone that was on 89 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: the main stage and on the you know, TV screen, 90 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: doing the getting the record. And we've been very blessed, 91 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: very blessed to have an audience who've given us that platform. 92 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, I have an amazing audience and I love 93 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: them deeply and they've really made my music successful. And 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: I think that can take priority of, you know, and 95 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: really rents the real purpose of creating from one's own motivation, 96 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: and it can kind of like cannibalize the whole experience 97 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: because then you start to not expect but you're aiming for. Well, 98 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: if the record didn't do as good as this one, 99 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: and then it kind of robs the value. And I 100 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: need to take some time to figure out what was 101 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: going to be my motivation moving forward, you know, to 102 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: be fair, and I never stopped making music, but I 103 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: think the act of putting music out, especially with the 104 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: industry changing. I mean, you've seen the industry change. We've 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: gone through revolutions of new ways of putting out records. 106 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: I know you guys are seeing it because you're seeing 107 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: the artists and you're seeing how it all moves. It 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: was a very different game when I came in, you know, 109 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: and it was you had CDs. Yes, we had seen 110 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: it was real physical. I mean, wet CDs are coming 111 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: back now, it's crazy. But it was a very different game. 112 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: And and I think learning, relearning, refinding my my love, 113 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: and also doing some real hard work on me figuring 114 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: out where I'm at, Like, let me just check in 115 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: I forgot that I've been on a run for some time. 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: I didn't take time. 117 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: So was leaning into your heritage part of that, though. 118 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: It became it became a natural part of it because 119 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: really doing trying to understand, you know, where my decisions, 120 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: my decision making were becoming habitual and not really like thought. 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't really thinking things through. It was 122 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: like knee jerk reactions to things and just looking at 123 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: where I was and where I wanted to be and 124 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: the discrepancy between that, you know, I had to you 125 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: know now everybody, which is a great thing. It's like, 126 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, going and doing therapy and meditation and on 127 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: all of my self work and shadow work and whatnot. 128 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: I think it just naturally pushed me into really getting 129 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: to know and be appreciative. Not that I was never 130 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: I was always super And you know this, I've always said, 131 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: I'm black and Mexican. I'm Mexican black, you know, always 132 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: proud of it, but really like having a like sense 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: of it. And the things that I looked back and 134 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: thought were kind of I don't want to say, I 135 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: look at them so much more as blessings then as challenges. 136 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: I always felt that growing up my heritage, it was 137 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: a challenge. I'm like, man, why am I always having 138 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: to proved myself? Like why do I I'm with these people? 139 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I got to prove it I'm this Black, 140 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: or I'm with these people. I got to prove it 141 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm this Mexican. And over these eight years, I think 142 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: taking that time has really given me a sense of pride. 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: And I look back and I'm like, man, I'm so 144 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: proud that it's given me a unique perspective and it's 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: given me a unique positioning. And also how I am 146 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: with people and who I am with people is a 147 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: reflection of the cultures that I've been blessed to take 148 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: me and you know, throw their arms around me, and 149 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: they have that so naturally. I think with that, I've 150 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: explored more of my songwriting. It's made its way into 151 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: my songwriting. It certainly made its way into me. And also, 152 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: as you become a. 153 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 6: Parent, you know, congratulate thanks so much. 154 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you become a parent and you really start 155 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: to look get the things that were great about your child, 156 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: the things you love about it, and things that are 157 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: worth passing on, as well as the things that you 158 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: definitely do not want to pass on. So so you know, 159 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: leaning leaning in and in all these different ways and 160 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: all the cultural just the beautiful cultural things that I've 161 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: been blessed with, was a very natural thing. 162 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: Did you feel like at one point you talk about 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: making it to the big stages and being a different 164 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: place now about your heritage. Did you feel like at 165 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 4: one point you couldn't lean into your heritage because it 166 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: wouldn't get you to that mainstage. Because even in your 167 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: music on this album, you're speaking in Spanish and all 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 4: the things that we didn't hear a lot from you. 169 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: Your name is Miguel, Yeah, exactly. 170 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: But that's a lot of people. 171 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't think. 172 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: I don't think there's a lot of people that would 173 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: know that You're like, I'm Mexican, Like this is my 174 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 4: heritage first. Like, to be honest with you, I think 175 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: we look at you as like a mainstream rock star 176 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: artist and we don't think about your heritage just love. 177 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the in the past, it's always been that 178 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: I never wanted to lean on it as a crutch. 179 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: I was very I was very aware that there was 180 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: pressure like why don't you just do the do the 181 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Spanish man and and also different game at the time too. 182 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't like Latin music was a premiere you know, 183 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: big you know, it wasn't a big market here, but 184 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: it also was. It was one of those things that 185 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: I never wanted to do that it didn't feel natural, 186 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, it didn't feel authentic. And there was a 187 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: time in my career kind of towards the towards, like 188 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: the towards wild Heart, that I wanted to make it more, 189 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: really start exploring it. I took a trip to you know, 190 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: my where my family's from, Salmone Mechacan in Mexico, and 191 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: that was kind of the beginning of really getting in 192 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: and like wanting to wanting to wanting it to feel natural. 193 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: And so I think since then it being like, you know, 194 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: five six years naturally, it's become more and more. But 195 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, becoming a parent will do it. You'll 196 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: really just start to look at everything. 197 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 5: Listen, congratulations, how it's fatherhood is incredible. 198 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: It's the most is I've I don't sleep, but I'm 199 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the most I got the most energy I've ever had. 200 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: I am. I also feel so much more sure about 201 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: what is, what is and what isn't for me, you know, 202 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: it'll definitely do that. You'll be like, nah, absolutely no. 203 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, you start cutting things out and you realize how. 204 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: Precious time is. 205 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: Man anything that takes away from it, This little being 206 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 2: I gotta raise over here. 207 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: You gotta be worth it. 208 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: It's gotta be worth it. It better be. And don't 209 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: play with my time, you know. So I just I 210 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: try and maximize as much as I possibly can. And 211 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and it's made us, you know, in terms of creating. 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: It just I don't know, I feel I'm the most inspired. 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Even my next ten years are more clear. You know, 214 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: I started a company I think it was. He's, you know, 215 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: a catalyst for a lot of where I'm at and 216 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: where I'm going. 217 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm glad that you've been doing the work 218 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: on yourself. Do you do you feel like leaning into 219 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: your heritage now is also about healing, like maybe reclaiming 220 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: parts of your culture or history that weren't always centered 221 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: for you growing up. 222 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's it's one of the blessings that I feel 223 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: come with that. You know, when you start to really 224 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: look at yourself and you're like, okay, well who am I? 225 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: You know, who do I want to be? Who am 226 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: I really proud to be and what are the things 227 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: that I'm not Really, I can't really take this with me. 228 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: It's not gonna It may have gotten me here, but 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to get me where I want to go, 230 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: you know. And and all of that has been sort 231 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: of happening in tandem, you know, one kind of like 232 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: informs the other. 233 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, you still care about numbers and winning 234 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: awards and stuff. 235 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, we want to win awards, of course. Don't 236 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: get me wrong. I'm happy to receive an award if 237 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: it's if it's granted, But I don't show up with 238 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: an expectation or or that being the And you know what, 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna be real with you. I used to 240 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: say that. I used to say, like, nah, I'm not 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: tripping on no, but I'll be I'll be mad. I'll 242 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: be I'll be so mad I wasn't nominated or if 243 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: I didn't get it or what have you. But and 244 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: you know what, if it's to happen again and I 245 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: do or I don't, I'm sure i'll feel away. But 246 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: I also know that it took a long time to 247 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: refine the like the love or just create just to 248 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: just to make something and be excited about it, just 249 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: to find that I'll never let go of that again. 250 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: I will never I'll never let any of the And 251 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: also because even the conversation with this album, it's it's 252 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: about me peeling back layers and having a conversarial with 253 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: my audience. That's not about like, let me make a 254 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: song that everyone's going to sing and then hopefully it 255 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: becomes a big song and then I get the thing. 256 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: The whole intention is like I'm telling you like it 257 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: hurts to be human, you know, I'm telling you, like, man, 258 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: sometimes I lose myself sometimes. I that's to have a conversation. 259 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: That's not about I didn't write. I didn't go in 260 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: like I'm going to write the big record. I wrote this. 261 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: I wrote the album that was like I want to 262 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: have a conversation, which means that I'm I'm showing up 263 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: to have a deeper relationship with my audience. That means 264 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: that the music and everything that that happens with that 265 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: it's about the personal. It's about the personal thing. It's 266 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: like the intimacy. 267 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: I feel like you can hear it in the album though, 268 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: like like what's something you've unlearned in order to grow 269 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: as both a man and artist. 270 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: Unlearned to grow as both a man and an artist. 271 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of people that support 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: us all the time, but you have to be so 273 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: clear with yourself. You have to have ultimate clarity about 274 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: what you want. If you're not clear, you're susceptible to 275 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: being pulled and swayed by different in different directions, and 276 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: lots of directions have great things about them, and they 277 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: can be pitched to you and be colored in ways 278 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: that make you want to go that way. Without clarity, 279 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: you're susceptible to and as millions of past you know, 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: it's just like a man. I could think of a million, 281 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, ways where something could be can look really nice, 282 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: but you have without ultimate clarity of where you want 283 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: to go and what you really want to do and 284 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: how you want to feel. Oh that's what it is. 285 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: Have clarity about how you want to feel. I think 286 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: that because before I was like, I know I want 287 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: to be you know, I want to be an artist 288 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: that's known for making music that's timeless, or if that 289 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: is true, it's at his core, there's a soul there 290 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and I was very successful at doing that, but I 291 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: wasn't to have clarity about how I wanted to feel 292 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: about being a musician, being an artist, and so having 293 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: clarity about how you feel is important. 294 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: The reason that's so powerful is they'll tell you right like, like, 295 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: you know you listening to the album. I listened to 296 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: that like three times, and it. 297 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: Was like, do you like the album? 298 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: I said, I loved the album, And I said, the 299 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: reason I love the album is because Miguel is a 300 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: feeling to me, same way everybody doing Jill's Got is 301 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: a feeling to me. I know what Miguel's gonna make 302 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: me feeling. So if I didn't get that feeling, I'd 303 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: be like, damn, it ain't about a sound or anything. 304 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: It's just a feeling. 305 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you are that intentional about putting 306 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: that feeling into your music, because we as consumers feel that. 307 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the point because I know and like 308 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: the New Martyrs for you, you talk a lot about 309 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: being able to find yourself or keep yourself while losing 310 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: yourself at the same time, right, Yeah, but it seems 311 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: like you've arrived at that point, especially by the end 312 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: of the album when you're talking to your son. What 313 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: was it for you where you were like, Okay, I'm here, Like, 314 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: was it an event? Was it a song around? 315 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be pretentious like that and be like 316 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm here, you know. I think that's the that's the 317 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: that's a big one that I want to embrace in 318 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: my life, is that there is no here. You know, 319 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: I've not I've never arrived. The moment I felt that 320 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: way in the past, that was when I was starting 321 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: to really unravel, because then I'm like, I am I 322 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: am this, I am this. It makes you you lock 323 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: in too many things too. It's like, it's great things 324 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: to know about yourself, but to say that you've arrived 325 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: or that you've you've met your final form, I think 326 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: it's such a treacherous place. It also robs you of 327 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: the excitement of the possibility, and it takes away any 328 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of sense of being a student and remaining mouldible, 329 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: remaining plast you know, plast is it like neuroplasticity, you know, 330 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: it's like remaining able to be and learn and then 331 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: to take those into teach. I think that's the beauty 332 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: of this, this experience. It's like that what's that It's 333 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: a quote Lauren Hill. She's like if it's not growing, 334 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: it's dead. That's like I'm trying to stay there. I'm 335 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: trying to stay growing. So to answer your question, this, 336 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: I think what got me to talking about what i've 337 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: what I've been talking, what I've been you know, what 338 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: the album really encompasses, or to even just make the 339 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: album about that energy, about the energy of being angry 340 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: and and not not okay, you know, but still pushing 341 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: through to figure it out. Was just not finally just 342 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: being like, I don't want to accept this anymore. I 343 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: don't want to accept this experience, this feeling, because this 344 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: is not how I want to feel. I want to 345 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: feel great and I want to feel like I'm moving forward. 346 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, I'm hitting the same I'm hitting 347 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: donuts in my cycles, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, shit, 348 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: looked fun. Excuse me, it looked fun, But I'm not 349 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: going anywhere. 350 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: You know, did you ever feel like you were dying, 351 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: like you know, you weren't growing? Like did you have 352 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: a uh there was. 353 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: There's some songs that the initial iterations of the album 354 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: are not on this album that I think I will 355 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: put them out, But in the context of everything, I 356 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: think it felt really heavy, but there was some real 357 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: There was some dark moments. 358 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 5: Man. 359 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: I will say I was feeling like I was losing 360 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: my mind for a second and I couldn't. I couldn't. 361 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I was like, is it something I'm eating? I did everything, 362 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: I did, cleanses, I did, you know, I like, went away, 363 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: worked on music alone, went away and didn't do anything 364 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and just sat with myself and it just felt like 365 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I was just nothing, you know, just it. And I 366 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: think wherever we are in this time, whether it's if 367 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: it's you know, technology, whether we've got a lot of pressure. 368 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's dealing with a lot, and everything is moving so fast, 369 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: it's moving so fast, and the information is just too much. 370 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: You can't tell what is true and what is false, 371 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: and trying to make sense of it all while you're 372 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: trying to survive all wow, you know, you're trying to 373 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: get your shit off, You're trying to do your be 374 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: your best self, you know, and all the things that 375 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: we want to be. It's a lot, man, It's a lot. 376 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: It's a lot. So I've locked in more into like, Okay, 377 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: well how do I want to feel? How do we 378 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: get there? 379 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 4: You know, it felt like on the album, when you 380 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 4: did the song Angels, the Angel song, yeah for your 381 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 4: sound of song, and that's your son's voice on the Yeah. Okay. 382 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 4: When I was listening to that song after listening to 383 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: the production beginning, which was really like heavy and dark, 384 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: it feels like that's when like the sunshine comes out 385 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: a bit. Not to be like cliche, but how has 386 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 4: been a father changed how you tell your story and music? 387 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: I think the core of the of what I'm saying 388 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: has to be I'm working on making what I say 389 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: very clear and easy to understand because I'm anticipating he's 390 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: going to be asking more and more. He's asking questions soon. 391 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: I mean he's already saying no. We're talking about this 392 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: in the elevator. He's one year old, and he's like no, 393 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: But right now it's a question. It's like no, like 394 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: can I say no? Or it's like it's no the 395 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: right response right now. But in a short amount of time, 396 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: he's going to be saying no, you know, and I'm 397 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: asking to come with questions and I'm going to have 398 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: to have answers, and I feel like it's made his 399 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: way into my music. I'm not saying I'm there yet. Yeah, 400 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: but wanting to be really clear again, just clear about 401 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: how I feel and clear about where I'm what I'm 402 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: getting at, and. 403 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: Let kids know their boundaries early because I don't know 404 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: what happens to us as adults, but at some point 405 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: when we just forget how to say no. 406 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: It's valid. That's one of my favorite things. When he's 407 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to go to somebody. You know, 408 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: people get, people get you know, somebody asked me to 409 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: hold myself. 410 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: I'm like your. 411 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 6: Baby, I don't know you. 412 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. 413 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: It's weird were kids with adults would be like, no, 414 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: give him a hug, baby, give the kids. 415 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. 416 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: So we teach these kids not to have boundaries so early, 417 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: and then we got to learn to have boundaries again 418 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: as we get older. 419 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, and on the song to You, I thought this 420 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: was powerful. You apologie, you say sorry, I'm not perfect, 421 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 4: but there's nothing I wouldn't do. And I'm like that feeling, 422 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 4: as you know, as a new dad, that's like a 423 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: heck of a feeling I imagine for you to experience. 424 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: It's real. 425 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: It's it's a look, I own a gun. There are 426 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: things that I never thought that I would be and 427 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: do at this stage of my life. And you know, 428 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I talk about this in the album too. It's like 429 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: life has a way of, you know, taking you in 430 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: un expected places, taking unexpected great ones, and places that 431 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, well I didn't expect that, but I 432 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: mean there are definitely things where I'm like, I can 433 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: understand parents being extremely like you know, I be protective, 434 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, and so there isn't anything that I can't 435 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: imagine myself. Look, they're gonna pull this shit up if 436 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: anything happens in. 437 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: The future Exhibit. 438 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: Exhibit A. He did say that, no, but I think 439 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: any parent out there can relate to this. It's like 440 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: you would there is I look at him like, man, 441 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: I'll go to the end, you know, and and and 442 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: probably without even thinking about it. I think it's also 443 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: what has given me a lot of what Angel changed 444 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: was I had lost a lot of hope and faith 445 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: and what in everything in humanity and possibility in the 446 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: purpose of all of whatever this shit is. I just like, 447 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: big time, big time grief, and I've talked about that too. 448 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: That was something I was processing that needed to be 449 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: dealt with first, but that was top layer. Then you 450 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: go down you're like, man, I'm caring a lot of 451 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, I've got resentment for people in my life 452 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: that I grew up with. And man, I felt I've 453 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: been taken advantage of in these just different kinds of 454 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: ways in business, in these kinds of ways. And I 455 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: was lucky. Man, I was so lucky. 456 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: I could have. 457 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: Man, they could have got me in terms of like 458 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: taking advantage of like just being a young artist and 459 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: like putting things in front of me. And again, I'm 460 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: so grateful they could have. Really, I could have been 461 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: in a bad situation in terms of like financial and 462 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: but I got lucky. I've got people who listen and 463 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: and thankfully the music is really grabbed on to people. 464 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: But in in hindsighted looking and I go, wow, I 465 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: have so much more faith than I did before. And 466 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: it's really it's very much because of my son. 467 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 6: So yeah, go ahead and slow it down. 468 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 5: The song you say, pray I can make peace with 469 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 5: the past because tomorrow comes way too fast. 470 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: You guys, really listen to thank you so much. 471 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: That's right, by the way, she's married to a Mexican. 472 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: And everything. 473 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 6: You know, so I wanted you to like unpack that, 474 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. 475 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, pray I could make peace with the past because 476 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: tomorrow comes way too fast. It's I mean, it's hindsight, 477 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: everything is so much clear, and I mean the it's 478 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: it's that's exactly what it feels like. 479 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 5: Even when you were saying like people that you grew 480 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 5: up with taking advantage of you and things like that, 481 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 5: like I don't want to. 482 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: That sounds so crazy because that don't be a SoundBite 483 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: after this, but you know, it's like I just thought 484 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: about it as like, ah, I can definitely see people 485 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: be like they could have got me and be like see. 486 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: But but it's you look at things with so much 487 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: more clarity and maybe how how not again not knowing 488 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: how I wanted to feel and just going with things 489 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: and and again awareness being being just like in it 490 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: and being present and grateful having so much. I've always 491 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: been a grateful person. But again, when you do this 492 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: for and you start to see like people react to it, 493 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, this is what happens when 494 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: that happens and you start to look at it, and 495 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: it's not expectation per se, but it's that you're like 496 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: wanting it secretly. You know, you're like it's your core. 497 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: You're like, nah, I really want the success, I really 498 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: want this to happen, and you put this pressure on 499 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: it and it becomes a big cycle of things and 500 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: by the time you get to the other side, you 501 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: spend so much time wanting and expecting and not looking 502 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: at the greatness in the midst of it and feeling 503 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: the greatness and just being you know, in the midst 504 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: of it and loving those moments, and in that feeling 505 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: you look back and it's already over. You know, you're 506 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: so focused on well, what's going to happen and being 507 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: anxious about it and hoping. Man, yeah, just be with 508 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: the feeling. Many stay in that mode. 509 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 4: Talking a little bit about you know, the past, and 510 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 4: you mentioned like the grieving and different things on always 511 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 4: time you say maybe this time love means letting go. 512 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: You talk about private truths and public roles and you 513 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 4: thought there will always be time to fight for love. 514 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 4: The you know an honest and like first listen, I 515 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 4: was like, is this about his past relationship and wanting 516 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 4: to fight for that? 517 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, the album is it's about my It's about 518 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: my I mean I've had I've been very it's very 519 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: public that I was married and we were. 520 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: Very together at the relationship as well too. 521 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bit. It was a big part 522 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: of my experience as a human being this time around. 523 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, that was a massive part I was with 524 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: when I was nineteen. You know what I'm saying. It 525 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: was it was a long time and in the midst 526 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: of that, I was being a musician and becoming a 527 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: musician and finding my audience and all of that. And 528 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of learning. There's a lot of learning. 529 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Who were we all when we were in nineteen year twelve. Look, 530 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: I'm just hitting my I'm feeling like, Okay, I know 531 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: exactly who I am, and look I don't. I'm still learning. 532 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: But I know my values. That's the part. That's what 533 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: I meant to say earlier. Values don't change, you know 534 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: what I mean? Your values, that's your core. But everything 535 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: else in your style and whatever how you your values, 536 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: your core values. Those are the things that I think 537 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't need to necessarily discover my values. I think 538 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: where I'm at is that I'm honing them. I'm sure 539 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm only strengthening them. I'm only like doubling down on them. 540 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: But always time that song was written because I was 541 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: uncovering a lot of my values in real time. And 542 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: one of those things that I've always been is the 543 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: word loyal is crazy because loyalty I saw my grandparents 544 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: stay together are my entire life. You know, they were 545 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: loyal to the family, But loyalty like were they happy? 546 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 7: You know? 547 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 6: I don't know? 548 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: Uh, And that's a that's that's a crazy one. And 549 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: that song is about kind of like coming to terms 550 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: with you know, I can't even be the right person 551 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: for you. I can't. I can't be it. I And like, 552 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: discovering that in real time is crazy work when you're like, damn, 553 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was like I'm supposed to 554 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: fight it out and we're supposed to do it. And 555 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: even when it's and at some point you when you 556 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: stop and you go, you know what the best thing 557 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: I can do is actually let it go. 558 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: That's not what the marriage. But I see that's not 559 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: what That's not what. 560 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: My grandparents did, right, So all of that psychologically, I'm 561 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: sure with you. 562 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: It does it It's I think that's that's where generate 563 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: our generations now are looking at the construct of marriage 564 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: with a very through a very different lens and also 565 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: looking at the history, the historical e a of what 566 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: that means, what that means and what it was before 567 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: it was about the ring and about the you know 568 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: what I mean, and how that's like it's sort of 569 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: it's taken away. And again I'm not saying anything about 570 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: married or I think it's a beautiful thing. I was 571 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: so happy to be married when I was, whether or 572 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: not I was able to, you know, be true to it. 573 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's such a beautiful idea. I 574 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: think the word and the symbolism sometimes take away the 575 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: purpose or what it's supposed to be really representative of. 576 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: You know, It's like, man, it's supposed to be that 577 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: there's a relationship that's unshakable and you guys are really 578 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: going to be partners in the whole shit. I don't 579 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: know what happens, but most people I talked to her 580 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: marriage that's it turns into something else. The partnership somehow 581 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: is like it's the symbolism takes precedence over that actual 582 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: core thing of what it's supposed to be. 583 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: I don't know the degree the degree for that, you know, 584 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: break up, keep you away from the. 585 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: Music, maybe maybe not not in it's in and of itself, 586 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: but I think the me underneath it and needing to 587 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: understand what what was informing my decisions is what kept 588 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: me from from doing the music. I need to go 589 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: do some work. That's really at the end of at 590 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I need to go figure 591 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: my shit out. I needed to go figure it out because, uh, 592 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: because it wasn't working. And and yeah, it's a it's 593 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: a life is a trip, man, it's a trip. But 594 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: always time is one of those ones. It's a like 595 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: it's such a like that's a hard accepting but true, 596 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: very honest song. 597 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, and people always forget yo, you are rock stars, superstar, celebrity, 598 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 5: migul and all that, but you're still a real person, 599 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 5: the real ship, you know. 600 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: So I think we're all rockstars superstar Like listen, this 601 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: is every day you guys are with Everyone is a 602 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: rock star. Everybody, everyone at their core can be that, like, 603 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: you know everyone. That's the thing I was talking about 604 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: humility before, because we get this a lot that is like, oh, 605 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: be humble or I always get man, you're so humble, 606 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to you know, oh, like rock star. 607 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: But everybody is though everyone is has greatness, everyone has purpose. Everyone. 608 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: That's what I am. I'm not humble. I just don't 609 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: think I'm greater than anyone else. I just think that 610 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I believe that I have something that's important to do 611 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: and that everyone has something important to do. And I 612 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: treat everyone like, no, you're here and you have something 613 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: here to do and there's a purpose. 614 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I always look at the word humble as 615 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 5: to being le than what you actually really are. 616 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: Exactly. 617 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I like how you just put that. 618 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying hopefully you get what I'm saying, 619 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: and like, man, look they use humble sometimes, like yo, yeah, 620 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, No, our place is greatness. 621 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: Man, do you feel like all of the work that 622 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,239 Speaker 4: you've done and like the place that you're at now 623 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 4: with yourself? If you had done it before you and 624 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 4: now it could have worked out your marriage. 625 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: If I would have done all of this before, who's 626 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: to say, no, we definitely would have had a much 627 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: better shot, a much better shot. But you know, the 628 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, the past is you look back and it's 629 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: so much clear everything is what is it? Hindsight? Everything 630 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: it's so much clearer. Yeah, it would have been it 631 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: would have been a very different experience, but can't change 632 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: the past. 633 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: You know. 634 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: And I'm very happy that we've had adult real like 635 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: man and I've been able to It's different when you're 636 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: able to come to somebody and go, you know, I 637 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: didn't realize I was doing this, and I'm really sorry. 638 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 4: Wow. 639 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: And it doesn't take it away that it happened and 640 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: that I did that, and I just want to give 641 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: you some context and I'm just so deeply sorry. I 642 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: would never do this, and you know, to be able 643 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: to say that doesn't erase it, but at least lets 644 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: them know, like, no, there's real love here, and that's 645 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: that's where it was at the core. I just wasn't 646 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: a big enough person. I wasn't an aware enough person 647 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: to protect you from my automatic ways and things that 648 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: I learned from generations and generations. 649 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: You know. 650 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 4: It's an ad place to be. 651 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: It it's crazy. 652 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's good to hear that y'all are in 653 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 4: that space. Yeah, definitely good to hear on near sights. 654 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 4: Slow it down, you say, slow it down for me 655 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 4: because I might not get to feel this again. Did 656 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 4: you feel like coming out of the situation with you 657 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 4: and now that you weren't going to find love like that. 658 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: Again, that song is more about all of everything I've 659 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: never and even any I'll say this, and I says before, 660 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: I don't believe that there's like it's like just one love, 661 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: and I don't believe in like there's only one person. 662 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: It's like how many billions of people? Now billion? 663 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 3: What are you saying the Mexicans thought to come women. 664 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I don't believe in in a 665 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: one there's only one, you know, I'm not saying I'm 666 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: not saying monogamy or anything. I'm not talking about constructs. 667 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that there's only I don't believe that 668 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: there's only one person that you can find love with 669 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: and actually build a healthy relationship with, whatever that means 670 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: for them. I just don't believe in that. I do 671 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: believe in love, and I do believe in being in love. 672 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: So so when I when I say that in that song, 673 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: that's more about life in general. You know, I want 674 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: to be in this moment because everything is fleeting and 675 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: I feel it more and more now I feel all 676 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: of time, you know all, I'm so like I want 677 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: to I want to get all the moments I want 678 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: to like just like even like coming back to doing 679 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: these you know, and it's like before I was like, yeah, 680 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: you go do the raates whatever, and then you go 681 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: on tour and it's just like that's the thing you do, 682 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: not really absorbing that. You know, this is people's time, 683 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: you guys all, this is your careers. You guys, you 684 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: guys earned to be in this room, and not just 685 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: to be in this room, but to stay in this 686 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: room and to be effective and to talk to people 687 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: and to get people to really listen and pay attention 688 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: to you and me being in this room is like, 689 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I'm like, damn, I'm with people who 690 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: have dedicated themselves to what they love. Man, don't ever 691 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: take that for granted. Anytime I'm in a room with 692 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: somebody and they've just they've proven their their their dedication. 693 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: We did the Blue Note for two nights over the 694 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: world we can, and I'm in the room with Robert 695 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: Glasper Jamie Fox pops up, you know we I'm in 696 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: the I mean Joshy's son dance to somebody's I've known 697 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: since I was a teenager. These people have been in 698 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: music and have been effective and incredible and like I'm 699 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: looking at pictures on the wall and I'm like, I 700 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: will never take this for granted. 701 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: Ever, I don't even know he was at the blue 702 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: that had been. 703 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: It was great. It was great, Yeah, it was great. 704 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 6: The real quick. It's a fan mail that just pipped up, 705 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 6: said Miguel. 706 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: Uh in love, I love. I'm man. I would say 707 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: it's gonna I need some healing to be in love 708 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: right now. I'm working on being in love with me 709 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: if I'm being very very honest, and I have to 710 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: do that work for my son. But I love myself 711 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: more and more every day because I'm I'm proud of 712 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: the decisions that I've been making and I just lean 713 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: on those and when I have moments where I'm feeling 714 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: a little because I do still, I still sometimes I'm like, man, 715 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: this is this is a lie? 716 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot. 717 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I can look at the things that the 718 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: decisions make and how I'm making decisions and and the 719 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: why and leaning into again my values and my principles 720 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: make that make it easier and easier. So I'm getting closer, 721 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: and I do hope one day I can be in 722 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: love again. But right now I'm working on. 723 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 5: I said, I'm going response no before you go, I 724 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 5: was gonna just ask because that question how you answered 725 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 5: it made me think of this, right, you're in this 726 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 5: really peaceful space and you're getting back into all of 727 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 5: this because of the album, and you talked about your son. 728 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 4: When you posted your happy Birthday for your son, the 729 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 4: world erupted and it wasn't positive. How do you People 730 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 4: were upset that you had a baby not with no 731 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 4: is that we didn't know about, but it's your choice. 732 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 4: How do you deal with that in this new space? 733 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 4: Fans and people wanted to just inject their thoughts into 734 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 4: that because you're in a different space now. 735 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: Well it's not new, definitely not new to me. It's 736 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: been a long time since I've kind of been so 737 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: to kind of come out and to kind of again 738 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of have an experience where people, you know, feel 739 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: the need to express how they feel about your life. 740 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's just that it's it was a good 741 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: reminder coming in. It's like, oh, yep, were no, you 742 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: know what, I'm ready, I'm ready for see I And 743 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: I did it with so much intention. I really am proud. 744 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm proud to be a father. I'm proud of my partner. 745 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: She's incredible. She's like I mean, he couldn't have a 746 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: better mother. I'm just and life doesn't always happen the 747 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: way that we imagine things to happen. And I also 748 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: realized that we became a symbol when I was with Nas. 749 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: We became a symbol to a lot of people of what, 750 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, relationships could be and could look like and things. 751 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,720 Speaker 1: But we're just human beings just like everybody else. 752 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 3: And we were mad. 753 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: Young, like I was young, like I was coming up 754 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: in my twenties, coming you know what I mean. So 755 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: I did a lot of things the wrong way, you know, 756 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: and I'm not proud of them, and I'm not making excuses, 757 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: but come on, man, we've all done things that we're like, 758 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I wouldn't do that again like that. 759 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: I would actually do it like this, you know. And 760 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm good with being upfront about Hey, I wasn't perfect, 761 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, but I'm here now and my life has 762 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: a lot more of a different experience that I get 763 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: to show up in a better way for And if 764 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: people are, you know, upset about what they see, that's it. 765 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: You can be upset. 766 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 3: You know. I mean, they don't know all the time. 767 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's only it doesn't really. Yeah, it's hard 768 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: for me to say. I just I'm just like, look, 769 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: I get that, that's what comes with the territory. You know, 770 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: there's plenty of other things to focus on. 771 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 5: Just described Like what you just describe is growing up 772 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 5: living your life. 773 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 6: Like you said you were young. You know, you made mistakes. 774 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 5: That's everybody. That's like just growing up, living life and learning. 775 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 6: That's just what it is. 776 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 4: I think for a lot of the fans, though, even 777 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 4: if you didn't know the timeline, the thing was people 778 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 4: felt like, you know what. 779 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: That's what bothered me the most, though, I have to 780 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: say this, the fucked up part is that people start 781 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: doing the wrong math. The one thing I did not 782 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: do is is start a relationship while I was married 783 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: and then had a baby. I got divorced, And I'm 784 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: gonna say this straight up. Everybody out there talking shit 785 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: like I was still in a marriage and then I 786 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: had a baby or I was having a h what 787 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: is that an affair? All this time I met I 788 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: met my son's mom after we were divorced. I met 789 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: her at an event that we were not even supposed 790 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,720 Speaker 1: to go to. That was well after we were done. 791 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: So anybody out there, it's always the one or two 792 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: they just go, yeah, you know, they was together, and 793 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: he had been seeing this girl for years and they've 794 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: been not know I had never even know I we 795 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: never crossed paths until after. So that's the one thing 796 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: I will say. I do get upset about that. I 797 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: can't control it. But that makes me mad because also 798 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: this woman is a good person, she's a great human being, 799 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: and so and I can't protect I can't stop people 800 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: from slandering, you know, because. 801 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 2: If you pop out with it, it might be like, look, 802 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 2: she's a homework and you're like, how did you guys? 803 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 4: Talk through that moment though, because it was such a 804 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 4: happy moment and then it turned into not that. 805 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: That's the hardest part. That's the that's the that's the 806 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: crazy one. And I wish I I I don't. I 807 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: don't wish this. Actually, I think this this path of being, 808 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, public facing with your career or what have you, 809 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: it's just how it does have its ups and it's 810 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: got some some things that's you know, you're just gonna 811 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: have to deal with it. And one of them is 812 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: that personal things become public conversation in ways that they 813 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't or you know, but it's just a part of 814 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: what comes with it. Was it's been hard, you know, 815 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: it was it was. It was. It was a challenge 816 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: because it should have been a very and it still is. 817 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I listen, you're not about to 818 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: take the happiness. You're not gonna rob me of the 819 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: joy of being like, man, I'm so proud of this, 820 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: and that's that's why, that's what it was. And and 821 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: for her, I know, she's she's like she's so happy 822 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: and like okay, cool, Like we're good. We don't gotta 823 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: lie because also he's getting older. And I think the 824 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: big worry was when you put a child in the public, 825 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: the moment that the faces out there, then people can 826 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: take pictures and this and that. So we were being 827 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: very very private first and foremost for his safety, and 828 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: then second of all, also like let us get our 829 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: get our shit together, like let's let us you know, 830 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: get our group, you know what I mean, Like let's 831 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: figure it out, let's dial in. But then there's also 832 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 1: knowing the public is like they want to know, so 833 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: so on that side, I'm you're not gonna find out 834 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: when he's five years old, you know. I mean, I'm 835 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: not gonna I wasn't gonna wait till you're five. But 836 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: but I was expecting it to be a lot less. 837 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 4: Slander attached to your old relationship, a lot, a whole lot. 838 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,439 Speaker 1: I understand they need to listen to Always Time. 839 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 3: So what is New Martyrs about? 840 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: Then New Martin is a whole other. So this, this 841 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: album is is there's a lot of anger in this album. 842 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: But I want to say that because I feel like 843 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: it's relatable. I feel generally we're all angry. Absolutely, I 844 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: feel so much anger in the just the ethos. It 845 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 1: just feels like because we don't know, today's like okay, 846 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: it's fine tomorrow, I don't know if there's a genocide 847 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: happening right now. There is a genocide happening right now. 848 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: And I have to say it again, there is a 849 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: genocide happening right now, and it's public. It's not like 850 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: we're it's like a century ago where we were getting 851 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: news from the radio. This is real time on your phone, 852 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: and there's so much happening right now that you can 853 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: just scroll past it, like we can ignore it, right 854 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: here in our communities. It's a lot of things that 855 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: are being robbed. We're being robbed of, people are being 856 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: taken advantage of. I think that's when we see things 857 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,240 Speaker 1: like the Mangioni case, when you see the Charlie Kirk incident, 858 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,959 Speaker 1: you look at it and you start to be like, well. 859 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 6: Right, you'd be you've become desensitized. 860 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 7: Or you understand, you kind of understand why, you understand 861 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 7: why people are like when when the fascinating part about 862 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 7: the whole Mangoni thing was people got behind him, they. 863 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 5: Were dressing like him, everything documentary on him. They gotta 864 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 5: be hero. 865 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 4: It's like a social media thing, but pop culture thing, 866 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 4: but also like a political like this. 867 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: I think the line you say in the song the 868 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 2: love can't be silent when this system is in. 869 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: Equal Yeah, that's it. That's and that Moniker is homage 870 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: to you know, in the sixties, when we were organizing 871 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: and we were really finding a way to carve out 872 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: what was what is right in this country for black people, 873 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: for all all ethnicities and this people really in this 874 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: country rather for civil rights. That was a moniker. It 875 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: was like, look, we can't be silent, it's not right. 876 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: So we have to say something, And the song is 877 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: inspired by just the general anger and the angst I 878 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: think we're all feeling. We're looking at them, we're watching 879 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: this shit not work the way that it's supposed to. 880 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: I mean, our tax dollars are going to wars that 881 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: we have no say about, and those tax numbers are 882 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: going up. I'm not I'm not proud of. Look, I'll 883 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: pay my taxes gladly, fine, whatever, But I mean, now 884 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: you're just you're not You're gonna go apply that to 885 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: a war that I don't believe in. You know what 886 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's not supposed to work like that. That's 887 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: that's it's not built like that. It wasn't built. It 888 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: was built actually for us to have some say. We 889 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: have representatives that are supposed to go and say, you 890 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: know what, tax payer money they don't want that we 891 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: have no say, We have had no say thus far. 892 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: So New Martin is inspired by these feelings of like, man, 893 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: we're all watching things in front of us that are 894 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: that it's not working for us, and modern examples of 895 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: like the man you and I think is like vigilanteism 896 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: extreme action are going to become more and more common Yeah, absolutely, 897 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: and triggered yeah, intentional yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, more 898 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: of the feeling. 899 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 5: Getting any visuals yeah, okay, yeah, you got to put 900 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 5: the vision to the words. Yeah, yeah, I would love 901 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 5: to see some of guel vision is coming. 902 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been doing We've been doing like shorter visuals 903 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: leading in, but I have like I have more substantial 904 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: in the in the next couple In the next couple 905 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: of weeks, I'm actually gonna play the video for New Martyrs. 906 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:12,839 Speaker 3: Man. 907 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: I've been honored to be invited to be uh scholar 908 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: and residents at n YU. 909 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, amazing. 910 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,280 Speaker 1: So so I built a program. The Courses is actually 911 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: speaking chaos to power. It's about taking what we know 912 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: about chaotic times in our history and using those as 913 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: examples in order to affect change in our modern time. 914 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm focusing mostly on the arts and how 915 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: we can take the sort of the disenfranchisement, the systematic 916 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, taking advantage of art and I P in 917 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,720 Speaker 1: the past and using that as as ways now to 918 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 1: take hold and control of industries and art. But it's 919 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: to be applied across the board. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 920 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: And we'll premiere the video for the martyrs at the end. 921 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 2: Do you think artists have a responsibility to raise consciousness 922 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 2: or just to tell the truth? 923 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: Say it one more time. 924 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 2: So you think artists have a responsibility to raise the 925 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 2: consciousness of people? 926 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 3: Are just to tell the truth? 927 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh? I believe every individual has a responsibility to raise 928 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: their own consciousness. I do believe that that art is 929 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: meant to bring human beings together and the erasing of 930 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: one's own separation from the next human being happens with art, 931 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: and that in and of itself, I do think it 932 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: gives us the opportunity to raise consciousness. It's like you 933 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: hear a song in Spanish that you don't know what 934 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: it means, but you fuck with it, you love it 935 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: how you feel it for whatever reason. That's art. Or 936 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: you go see a painting and you sit there and 937 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: you stand and you go, I don't know what it 938 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: is about this, but I love this, you know. It's 939 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: like great art is us finding ourselves in the details 940 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: of the art. We lose, we lose our own and 941 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: we become there's a point of reference, there's a point 942 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: of like we relate. I think that's what art does, 943 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: and that's the that's the purpose of artist is. So 944 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say raise consciousness in and of itself, but 945 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: I do think it is. I take it upon myself 946 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: now to say that I feel responsible to make art 947 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: that brings people together and hopefully they forget the divisions 948 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: that we have through the music. That's why I do 949 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: love having great, you know, big songs. I think great, 950 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: big songs that are able to whatever, if they're commercially 951 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 1: successful or whatever. Think of a dorn or sure thing. 952 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: I think of these songs. Even how many drinks? You 953 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I don't know if. 954 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna cancel you for how many drinks? At one point? 955 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: That is a consent record. Let's I want to go 956 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: on to the that is a consent record. There is 957 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: a question. 958 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 3: How many? 959 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: How many? Hey, I know, how many would it? You know? 960 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 2: I wanted to say it was a very bold choice 961 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 2: to start the album off with a song with Spanish. 962 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 963 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, like, you said it soundfly, But 964 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,919 Speaker 2: I'm like, I have no idea what he's what he's saying. 965 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 6: He could have been saying your grandmother ugly and you 966 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 6: just over here saying. 967 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 3: But then you want it right back to killing the. 968 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: Valid valid have to do it. 969 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 2: I's got a couple of more questions. What an enlightenment, 970 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,399 Speaker 2: Enlightenment look like from a guel right now? 971 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: Oh, sureness. I think radical, radical creativity and positivity and 972 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: the power of what art can do. I think enlightenment 973 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: for me is again leaning into my values in a 974 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,799 Speaker 1: very radical and the most like And I also think 975 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: like choosing to be happy and choosing to be positive 976 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,720 Speaker 1: is what enlightenment looks like for me now, because otherwise 977 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,720 Speaker 1: I've become apathetic, and then apathetic means and I don't 978 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,760 Speaker 1: care to do anything, and I just refuse to accept 979 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: that there's nothing that could be done. So, yeah, that's 980 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: what that looks like for me. 981 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 4: Oh well, I was going to talk to you about 982 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 4: the martyrs artwork and how you're gonna bring that into 983 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,200 Speaker 4: the class, but we kind of already that's that. But 984 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 4: so the artwork for martyrs and what you're doing it 985 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 4: and why you when you're developing your course selection, it's 986 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 4: just you. You're just using all of your art or 987 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,879 Speaker 4: with a teacher to. 988 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: Know I'm working with professors, Yeah, yeah, to kind of 989 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: put it together. Very much inspired by my experience as 990 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: a as a musician in the industry, my observations and 991 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: my critique of what could be better and how it 992 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: could be better, and really leaning on them for their 993 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: insights on the past and how that intersection of art 994 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,240 Speaker 1: and commerce has always come at the expense of often 995 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: black people, brown people like you know what I mean, 996 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: It's like often at our expense. And so what is it? 997 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,400 Speaker 1: What is it? What can we learn from the past 998 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 1: to help us shape what industry looks like in a 999 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,880 Speaker 1: way that's equitable for the creators, so that is sustainable. 1000 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 4: Were you at all nervous though in choosing such to 1001 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 4: recreate such a bold moment of because this is the artwork, 1002 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 4: right of ica, So creating that moment from that security 1003 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 4: camera where he's shooting gun, right, And the reason I 1004 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 4: mentioned or ask you, we're you're nervous about that is 1005 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 4: because I watch how bad Bunny talked about not doing 1006 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,919 Speaker 4: concerts here because he wants to protect his people from ice. 1007 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 4: Super Bowl happens. Now politically he is the conversation and 1008 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,319 Speaker 4: they're coming for him, right. How do you where do 1009 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 4: you kind of lay in all of that, Like how 1010 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 4: you choose what you're gonna be radical against? Right now? 1011 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing when you see, you know, 1012 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: shows get canceled. I mean, Kimmel got canceled for a moment. Yeah, 1013 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: but that was for a moment. And I bet you 1014 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,479 Speaker 1: watch what happens at the super Bowl. Watch how many 1015 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,920 Speaker 1: people watch the viewership go crazy break it's gonna break records. 1016 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: And then I bet you they never question if they're 1017 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 1: gonna bring a Latino on that stage. They'll never question it, 1018 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: you know why, because it's touching their dollars. And we 1019 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: saw that with Kimmel. The moment they got backlash and 1020 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: their viewership went down. Oh no, it was like, bring 1021 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: them back. We don't have to figure this one out, 1022 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,879 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so at the core 1023 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: of the chorus, it is about building your audience, which 1024 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,359 Speaker 1: is another reason, and it's what my album is what 1025 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: it is. But I didn't make another record that primarily 1026 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: focuses on romance and that dynamic of my life from 1027 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: my perspective and love. And there'll be other records that 1028 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 1: I make that. I'm sure I'll make songs like that 1029 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,800 Speaker 1: and that sound feel good and whatnot. But right now, 1030 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 1: what it was, what this is about, is me tapping 1031 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 1: into my audience and wanting to identify who's really my audience. 1032 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: It's a proof, it's a case in point. You know, 1033 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,359 Speaker 1: it's like I'm I'm wanting to double down that it's 1034 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: better to identify who's really there for you to listen 1035 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: and then build upon that so then you have leverage. 1036 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,879 Speaker 1: And as we know many times, we've heard this story 1037 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,240 Speaker 1: a million times said artists walks into the record label 1038 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: and they wanted they want the deal, they want the 1039 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: whole thing that they're selling, but they don't have any leverage. 1040 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: And you look at that versus birdman walking in when 1041 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: he got you know what I'm saying, that's why he's 1042 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,399 Speaker 1: got the biggest shit. Shit I forgot that happened here. 1043 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,919 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. 1044 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 3: Man. 1045 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 1: You're like, look when you walk in with leverage, it's 1046 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: a whole different game. And the more leverage we have, 1047 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 1: that's the That's the other part is like drawing that 1048 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,680 Speaker 1: parallel as well to looking at the numbers that we have, 1049 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: we have leverage. The people who are running government are 1050 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,240 Speaker 1: the numbers are so much small, you know, the numbers 1051 00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 1: are it just doesn't so so looking at all of 1052 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,919 Speaker 1: these parallels and going like we're at an inflection point 1053 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 1: where we can use these chaotic times and the uncertainty 1054 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: to our advantage to really lock in and organize on 1055 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: what we believe in, whatever it is, because they are. 1056 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm glad you did New Martyrs because the rappers ain't 1057 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 2: doing it. I've been waiting for a rappers tap into 1058 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,319 Speaker 2: the moment and just talk about what's going on, and 1059 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,839 Speaker 2: it just don't feel like they doing it. 1060 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you did it. 1061 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: Love Love, and I'm not I'm not saying I have 1062 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,799 Speaker 1: the answers or anything. It's definitely it's New Martyrs. Isn't 1063 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: like we should go do this and it's not like that. 1064 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: It's just saying, I'm I'm feeling like we are all 1065 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799 Speaker 1: at that point where it's like I gotta do I 1066 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: gotta do something like and and it's only going to 1067 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: get you know, it's only going to feel more and 1068 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: more like that as we go. 1069 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 2: If we don't now, Chaos is coming out on October 1070 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,880 Speaker 2: twenty third, that's also your born day, October twenty Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1071 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 2: Why do you want to do it on your beata? 1072 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: I think I wanted to give myself the permission to 1073 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,399 Speaker 1: move forward, you know, on my birthday. This one's been 1074 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: it's taking a long time to get here, and it's 1075 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,320 Speaker 1: like it's symbolic of you know, a new cycles. It's 1076 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,879 Speaker 1: it's letting go and it's also beginning new What better 1077 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: time to do that on your birthday? 1078 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 7: You know. 1079 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: It's like it's very much, it's very much that. So 1080 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to go in like, ah, okay, we can, 1081 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 1: we can move forward and like I said, my next 1082 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 1: ten I'm looking at my next ten years. The album 1083 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: is again symbolic of like the conversation that I want 1084 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: to have with my audience being deeper and more about 1085 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: the human being, not just about my ability, you know, 1086 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: but about who I am and what I believe in 1087 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: and lock in with my audience like that, and then 1088 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: to build this this company that's about supporting black and 1089 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 1: brown and Latin artists talent across the board, whether it's film, 1090 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: TV or music, literature, all of those, all of those 1091 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: left the center ones who deserve development the way that 1092 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: we need it now, the way art needs it now 1093 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,200 Speaker 1: that we're not getting and putting capital behind that as 1094 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,480 Speaker 1: well to support that because we need that too. 1095 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1096 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 4: The website is dope to it's like a blog, yeah 1097 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,560 Speaker 4: that you upload the different. 1098 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,560 Speaker 1: Year kind of kind of reminds us of where we 1099 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: came from. 1100 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 4: Definitely does. 1101 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1102 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is my last question. How do you 1103 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 2: measure the success now? Is it impact? 1104 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: Is it artistry or is it peace impact? Impact? For sure, 1105 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that any endeavor is peaceful, you know, 1106 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,040 Speaker 1: any endeavor with real objective, real especially if you're trying 1107 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,320 Speaker 1: to change something, be it for yourself or for others, 1108 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: It's not going to be a peaceful journey. It's just 1109 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,080 Speaker 1: going to come with unforeseen it's gonna come with challenges, 1110 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,920 Speaker 1: and it's going to come with a lot of pushback, 1111 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,439 Speaker 1: especially if it's going against the status quo, and that's 1112 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,120 Speaker 1: not a peaceful experience. But again the values part, you 1113 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: know that being at the core of things. I think 1114 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,760 Speaker 1: it's really about if I can wake up and go, man, 1115 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: I actually did something I feel great about, you know, 1116 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 1: and this is something that's going to affect someone in 1117 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 1: a positive way, and I could do that for the 1118 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 1: rest of my life. 1119 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 4: One last question for you, not about no relationships to promise. 1120 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: Is it true that I'm happy? Someone was asking I 1121 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 1: was like, who's it gonna be? 1122 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 4: I was reposting all on my space, so I had 1123 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 4: to ask some questions. But originally was that a demo 1124 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 4: for Usher? Is that a true story? 1125 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I wrote the song and I didn't write 1126 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: it as a demo, say, but we submitted it as 1127 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: a demo for Usher. Usher was looking at the time. 1128 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure which album I feel like it was. 1129 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 1: It might have been Confessions, it might have been which 1130 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: I can't hear sure thing on Confessions. Confession is such 1131 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 1: a perfect album as it is very different, very different 1132 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 1: albu But yeah, sure thing was submitted for one of 1133 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: those projects, that one another one right after it. 1134 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well listen, Miguel, were glad you back? Brother is 1135 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 2: very very dope, very very dope project. I can't wait 1136 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 2: for the world to experience it. 1137 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,880 Speaker 3: Make you what you want us play right now? I 1138 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 3: want to play New Martyrs. 1139 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Play New Martyrs. We gotta bang that? 1140 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah, it's Miguel. It's the Breakfast Club. 1141 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Every day ago click yours up the Breakfast Club. You'll 1142 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,680 Speaker 1: finish the y'all done.