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Speaker 1: Hour two and a Monday. Great to have you in,

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck. The combine starts Thursday. Chris Bruce Sard. We

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Speaker 1: just had Tony Grenada on as a team. USA outlast Canada.

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Speaker 2: Men's and women's.

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Speaker 1: Just tremendous sports achievement.

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Speaker 2: And I've said this before about the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: I used to watch it a lot when I was

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Speaker 1: younger because it was the only three week period that

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Speaker 1: sports was on in my house right in the seventies

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Speaker 1: didn't have as much sports on TV, so it didn't

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Speaker 1: feel quite as special. But let me tell you that,

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Speaker 1: like bars were open. I saw in New York City,

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Speaker 1: which is going through some brutal weather. Over the next

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Speaker 1: the city. It was We had kind of a European

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Speaker 1: feel over the week on Sunday the weekend, and it

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Speaker 1: was it was just remarkable. So here we go to Monday,

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right and where Colin was wrong. Where

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Speaker 1: Colin was right, Well, no Jason Tatum this year, and

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Speaker 1: shocker not really. The Celtics have the second best record

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Speaker 1: in the East and are actually better defensively. It's nothing

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Speaker 1: against Jason Tatum because they're not quite as good offensively,

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Speaker 1: but the Celtics are about coaching collaborative intensity. Other guys

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Speaker 1: this team that are given an opportunity in more minutes

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Speaker 1: now And the reality is they're eight and two in

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Speaker 1: their last ten. Once again, they're very good on the

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Speaker 1: road and as exceptional as Jason Tatum is, Jalen Brown

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Speaker 1: on many nights felt like the better player and he's

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Speaker 1: having an MVP.

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Speaker 2: Season where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Dallas Mavericks could contend and get to

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference finals, but Kyrie Irving is now announced

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Speaker 1: he will not play this year. They had injuries, eighty

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Speaker 1: was out of shape, the Luca trade's been a disaster,

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Speaker 1: and now it's just going to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: Cooper flag highlights, which I'm good with. But I thought

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Speaker 1: the very beginning the injuries piled up. Kyrie's done and

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Speaker 1: so is the Mavericks season. Where Colin was right, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, they've got a new sheriff in town. Lon Rosen,

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Speaker 1: former Laker executive, then a Dodger heavyweight executive, has now

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Speaker 1: replaced a member of the Laker front office. So, as

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Speaker 1: we addicted, the Lakers needed new eyes, ears, and voices

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Speaker 1: heavyweight exec, a no nonsense exec Lonrosan from the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: back to the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: The last three years, I've been convinced Yannis would leave Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: the roster's too old and thin, and even in the

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Speaker 1: a Milwaukee Buck. What's interesting now is what is he

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Speaker 1: all your draft picks and multiple starters, but he's not

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Speaker 1: an outside perimeter player. He has multiple injuries. He needs

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Speaker 1: Manny Machado, now Dodger rivals, came out and said what

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Speaker 1: I've been preaching on this show. The Dodgers' dominance is

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Speaker 1: The reality is Machado and Bryce Harper came out and

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Speaker 1: Fans want to watch star studded rosters. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: in the last twelve years, major League Baseball has nine

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Speaker 1: different champions, So stop telling me the sport is lobsided.

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Speaker 1: Where Colin was wrong, well, Adam Silver is going aggressively

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Speaker 1: after tanking. My take was, I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: You can't trade your way to greatness anymore with the

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Speaker 1: Silver is apparently implementing as we speak, a new headwind

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Speaker 1: for years, if the Cowboys don't have a legit general manager,

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Speaker 1: going to give Javonte Williams, a nice but not special

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said when Mick Cronin threw out during mid game

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Speaker 1: this was not gonna stand well. Within thirty six hours

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Speaker 1: of this, Mick Cronin out of Mayacopa sounded like he

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Speaker 3: First of all, I want you guys, I know so,

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Speaker 3: I'm already apologized to Steve. Okay, I thought that he

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Speaker 3: took the guy out kid at Providence, took the guy

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Speaker 3: I don't have the film. Once I saw the film,

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Speaker 3: honest with you, I don't even know if he deserved that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was not going to play in Westwood

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Speaker 1: and with that Colin right Colin wrong, Matt Hasselback eighteen

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Speaker 2: It is NFL Combine Week.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly, the Jags said, We're not going to go many

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Speaker 1: for players, absolutely, And so Matt, I want to talk

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Speaker 2: Can I just say.

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Speaker 4: Something before you start?

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Speaker 5: I always follow on Mondays when Colin was right, when

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Speaker 5: Colin was wrong. Bro, you're like right half, like more

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Speaker 5: than half the time. Now it's like ninety percent right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. That's just why I'm sitting there. I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 4: where are the wrong?

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Speaker 5: I'm waiting, like, all, here I go. He's right again,

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Speaker 5: He's right again. I'm when I'm when's in my turn?

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Speaker 2: It's hard to find wrong. So I'll be honest. We

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Speaker 2: spent hours on it.

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Speaker 1: The so go to your combine experience, and certainly the

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Speaker 1: world changes. How invaluable was just tell people your experience?

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, the combines a dream come true for players. Okay,

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Speaker 5: because you play college football in hopes of going to

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Speaker 5: the NFL. My combine experience, you know, the NFL brings

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Speaker 5: quarterbacks and wide receivers, which is hilarious because my Combine

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Speaker 5: experience is that I got uninvited to the Combine. I'm

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Speaker 5: the draft class of nineteen ninety eight, Peyton Manning, Ryan

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Speaker 5: Leaf picked one two, and then me at one eighty seven.

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Speaker 4: I got uninvited to the Combine.

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Speaker 5: When Ryan Leif came out early at Washington State, I

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Speaker 5: You know, they can come to Boston College and watch

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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 5: Only one team showed up at that, you know, it

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Speaker 5: was the quarterback coach for Andy Reid. So it took

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Speaker 5: think that gives me a different perspective because there is

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Speaker 5: so much pressure that these kids put on themselves to

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Speaker 5: you know, while it matters, certainly, I don't know that

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Speaker 5: it's the be all end all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of business, it feels like to

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Speaker 1: me that gets done during Combine Week.

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 5: I mean even when I was a free agent, like

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Speaker 5: there no every decision maker, agent, everybody. They're in Indianapolis

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Speaker 5: Max Crosby gonna go? Is he gonna leave? I remember

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Speaker 5: when the Tom Brady deal was essentially talked about, like, hey,

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Speaker 5: The whispers happen, and I think for me as a

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Speaker 5: Hey here's what I'm hearing. Here's where the musical chairs

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Speaker 5: Here's the running back market. You know, we know what

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Speaker 5: It's not just about just the workouts that are happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have those fifteen minute speed interviews. I think

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Speaker 1: the Rams have said before and maybe Jacksonville they don't

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Speaker 1: want to be swayed by the combine. When you talk

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Speaker 1: interview process, do you have certain messaging you lean into.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think these guys are so prep now

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Speaker 4: That goes into it.

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Speaker 5: I really encourage you guys just to be themselves and

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Speaker 5: if it's your vibe. Being around an athletes, sometimes he's like,

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Speaker 4: Is that the vibe he gives off? Is their energy?

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Speaker 5: Is their eye contact? Is there a firm handshake? You

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Speaker 1: I think I thought that thing was going to last

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Speaker 5: Like all these things play into it, you know, the

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Speaker 5: I think JSN is a no brainer.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: I sort of wonder sometimes why teams even weigh around,

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Speaker 4: Times you wait too long, the price goes up.

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Speaker 5: When people are worried about who's getting the credit, that's

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Speaker 1: Hey, finally, Fernando Mendoza I read. I think it was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is what This is what works

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Speaker 5: work with. That but if you if you don't have

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Speaker 5: We got enough of that. So now I think, and

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Speaker 5: You know, like I'll be there, not everyone will be throwing.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, Like there's still so much to evaluate about

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Speaker 5: And so with Fernando Mendoza, like I would encourage him, and.

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Speaker 2: I've met him.

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Speaker 4: He's great. He's everything that you said.

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Speaker 1: For the record, Boston's one of our great Boston and

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Speaker 5: It was really cool and it's, uh, you know a

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Speaker 5: the pride that people take in it is really cool.

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Speaker 5: And when you think about it too, because you're playing

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Speaker 5: you know, Like I just I think, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I'd like to see some gold teeth though, that's what

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Speaker 5: did that, but it's super fun to see. And I

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Speaker 5: think the Olympics are just something really cool. I think

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Speaker 5: we all grew up on it. That's why you see

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Speaker 5: LA twenty eight Olympics with flag football. They just they

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Speaker 5: want to do opening ceremonies, they want to have the medals.

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Speaker 4: It's for a football player.

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Speaker 5: That was the one thing you never ever thought you

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Speaker 4: It was the Olympics.

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Speaker 5: It was like the one thing, and so you felt

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Speaker 5: that's what you thought in your head. So it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 5: We're just big fans now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great seeing the man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Colin all right.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, Yeah, it was. You know, it is really

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Speaker 1: interesting about what has happened. And there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of theories on this. Why can't Canadian teams win the

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Speaker 1: Stanley Cup Final? They haven't won since ninety three Montreal Canadians.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's remarkable. Well, first of all, there's

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Speaker 1: is what are hockey players rich? Lot of good looking,

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Speaker 1: A lot of times companionship and so a lot of

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Speaker 1: of beautiful young people. They make a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: They got to keep more of their money. The weather's better,

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Speaker 1: They're not hounded as much being in like a home country.

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Speaker 1: If it's Canada, they can kind of hide because we

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Speaker 1: It's kind of simple, and they go to their agents.

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Speaker 1: They don't say this publicly, but I'd rather play in

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Speaker 2: It feels I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, it feels obvious to me that if you were young,

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Speaker 1: You'd want to be you know, you know, the seasons

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Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. But there's there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of different theories on it. They've gotten closed, They've

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Speaker 1: gotten to the Stanley Cup Final. They're trying to break

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just funny.

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Speaker 1: The mindset of our neighbors to the North Canada and

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Speaker 1: ours is very different. You know when we lost to

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Speaker 1: Argentina and Manu Ginobili, Remember we lost to Argentina in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. I mean we sell, we were furious, we

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Speaker 1: were incredulous. We sent out Delta Force Navy seals. We're

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Speaker 1: going to solve this mystery. We went nut. Next time

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Speaker 1: we played Argentina in the Olympics, we won by thirty

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Speaker 2: They're sports hockey. They lose, and the Prime Minister comes

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Speaker 2: out yesterday and.

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Speaker 1: Goes, we should be very proud of our silver medal.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's hockey, it's Canada. You were favored. What

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Speaker 1: do you mean, what do you mean you should be

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Speaker 1: proud of its silver? Get out of here. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: see that that would that message would just not work

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Speaker 1: in the States. And maybe we're overly relentless and obnoxious

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Speaker 1: and hyper competitive. But you know, they they lost yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean the coach wasn't happy. He said it with

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Speaker 11: Four times over time, you take four players off the ice.

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Speaker 11: Now hockey's not hockey anymore. There's a reason overtime and

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Speaker 11: shootouts are in play. It's all TV driven and you know,

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Speaker 11: to end games, so there's not you know, a long time,

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Speaker 11: there's a reason it's not the Stanley Cup finals or playoffs,

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Speaker 11: because you know it gets.

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Speaker 4: Ended in five.

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Speaker 11: But it's still skilled players out there making skill plays.

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Speaker 11: And the US team has some skilled players.

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Speaker 1: So we lose to Argentina, we create the redeem team

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Speaker 1: and the average margin of victory in the next Olympics

444
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Speaker 1: was twenty eight points. We were pissed and we were

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Speaker 1: going to make sure everybody knew we were not happy.

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Speaker 1: There was going to be a new precedent, and that

447
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Speaker 1: is US clobbering your country in basketball because we feel,

448
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Speaker 1: like you know, Naysmith, basketball, Basketball's US now right now.

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Speaker 1: Many of the great players in the world are European

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Speaker 1: and that should bother us. But it's the Olympic basketball, Like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no buck stops here. Let's send in the Delta force.

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Speaker 1: We're getting this thing fixed. And Canada's Prime Minister is like,

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Speaker 1: they should be very proud of the silver and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe say that in a couple of months.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels, you know, it's a little nice.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes losing creates anger and is kind of the jet

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Speaker 1: fuel you need. And I know I'm not banging on Canada.

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Speaker 1: They got enough issues going on right now. You know

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Speaker 1: Katy Perry's date and the former prime minister. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they got all sorts of stuff going on here. You

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Speaker 1: don't think I keep up to that stuff. I'm on

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Speaker 1: Katie Perry reddit board blogs half of my life.

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Speaker 2: Here's j Mack with a.

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Speaker 10: News this is the herdline news.

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Speaker 9: Our one.

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Speaker 6: He mentions tariffs. Our two, Katie Perry. I don't know

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Speaker 6: what's the store for our three.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm getting very affectionate. I'm like, you're the prime minister,

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Speaker 1: You're dating an iconic pop star. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Also?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm just trying to think of it.

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Speaker 6: What would be a parallel for that hockey where they

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Speaker 6: go down to three on three? What's like a parallel

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Speaker 6: for basketball football? I can't even think of one. Well,

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Speaker 6: it is kind of goofy when you think about that, right.

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Speaker 1: It's just listen, Canada is great and they're very good

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Speaker 1: in hockey. But when I saw the tweet from their

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Speaker 1: prime minister, I'm like, this is there. They wouldn't play

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Speaker 1: here like we losed Argentina, and it was like, oh okay,

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Speaker 1: this is not going to work at all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the next six months. We're gonna build the redeemed team.

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Speaker 1: Let's change the construct of the entire Olympic basketball movement.

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Speaker 1: People got fired and it's like, listen, Argentina had Manu Ginobili.

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Speaker 1: They had a really good team. A lot of times.

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Speaker 1: He's international basketball teams. They play together together, guys, so

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Speaker 1: they know the international rules better. They have better chemistry

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Speaker 1: than we do. And I mean Spain, Greece, Lithuania. I mean,

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Speaker 1: through the course of my life, there've been great international

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Speaker 1: basketball team.

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Speaker 6: If we lose to Wemby in the Olympics, we'll just

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Speaker 6: go to We'll play two on two. Cooper Flag and

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Speaker 6: Anthony Edwards will read everybody by a mile. All right,

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Speaker 6: let's go to the Chiefs, Colin. Let's start with Kansas

494
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Speaker 6: City coming off the missed playoffs. Yes, somebody here on

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Speaker 6: the show call that I forgot. It was so long ago.

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Speaker 6: But they're trying to reload. And now there's the report

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Speaker 6: and again these are just reports. It's the off season.

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Speaker 6: Travis Etn has a legitimate interest in joining Mahomes and Reid.

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Speaker 6: In case, good luck, I'm gonna go ahead and call

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Speaker 6: BS on this. Let's be real. Etn wants money. He's

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Speaker 6: twenty seven. He's not gonna get paid at the top

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Speaker 6: of the market. He's a good player coming off a

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Speaker 6: good season. Yeah, but he's down the pecking order. Remember

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Speaker 6: at the deadline, the Chiefs reportedly wanted Breese Hall, where

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Speaker 6: they were trying to get him from Jets. He's a

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Speaker 6: free agent as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, running backs have some leverage this offseason. It's a

508
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Speaker 1: very poor running back class. There's one great player, Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: Love at Notre Dame, who I think is very Jamier

510
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Speaker 1: Gibbs like explosive day one can, I mean, is literally

511
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Speaker 1: a playmaking, big home run running back. Outside of that,

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty weak running back class, and so I

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Speaker 1: think a lot. That's why the Dallas Cowboys signed Dvonte Williams.

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is going to have a real market. Travis

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Speaker 1: ATN would have a real market. We thought running backs

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Speaker 1: were losing all their leverage. I think now next year

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Speaker 1: is a better running back market. Right now, if you

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Speaker 1: need a running back, you've got leverage.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I like the kid Price also out of Notre Dame.

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Speaker 6: I think he's probably a second round pick, late second.

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Speaker 9: But listen Etn Breese Hall.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned Kenneth Walker interesting market because we're not that

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Speaker 6: far removed from Saquon Barkley going to the from Giants

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Speaker 6: Eagles and being a massive factor. And think about a

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Speaker 6: Colin Charbone goes down if they had some run of

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Speaker 6: the mill backup.

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Speaker 9: He can't be an MVP of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: It matters to have Kenneth Walker back there as you

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Speaker 6: need two running backs now in the league and the.

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Speaker 9: Chiefs have none. We would agree, right but Checko, he

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Speaker 9: had his moment.

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Speaker 1: He took a lot of hits, and they need an

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Speaker 1: edge rusher, an offensive tackling a running back. They're pretty

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Speaker 1: set after that, but they have three specific needs and

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Speaker 1: Brett Veach has to hit on all of them.

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Speaker 9: Secondary not great.

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Speaker 6: She's probably missing the playoffs again, but we'll do that

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Speaker 6: another day. Let's move on to the NFC. Colum, Let's

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Speaker 6: go to the Detroit Lions. Ben Johnson moved on the

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Speaker 6: offense regressed, They fired the OC and now Detroit has

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Speaker 6: hired Drew Petsing as the offensive coordinator. After the hire,

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Speaker 6: Ben Johnson spoke highly of him, saying it's a match.

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Speaker 9: Made in heaven.

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Speaker 6: Apparently Johnson was at Petzing's wedding they go way back

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Speaker 6: to Boston College. This is your typical offseason story.

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Speaker 1: Hey, new OC, let's get fired up, they think I

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Speaker 1: one of my takeaways on the second half of last

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Speaker 1: year is why was Arizona's defense so bad? And why

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Speaker 1: was their offense with Jacoby Brissett so powerful? Some of

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Speaker 1: it is they have good skill players, but I actually

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Speaker 1: think I'm not saying he's Ben Johnson. This was one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite coordinator hires of the coaching cycle. I

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Speaker 1: thought Mike McDaniel to the Chargers was great. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was great. I think Brian Dabole to Tennessee and

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Speaker 1: cam Ward is exceptional. So I think this guy's gonna hit.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be really, really good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I don't know what we said the

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Speaker 6: wind the Lions super Bowl window had closed. I think

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Speaker 6: I said that. Do you think there's a world where

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Speaker 6: they get back in the mix. The NFC is completely

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Speaker 6: different than we thought it was two seasons ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Chicago now for the next for the

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Speaker 1: foreseeable future, is going to be the best team because

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Speaker 1: they still have two years not paying Caleb anything. The

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Speaker 1: roster offensively is loaded. They have to spend their draft capital.

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Speaker 1: The Bears do on their defense. But you know the

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Speaker 1: window for Detroit. Now, you're going to have to start

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Speaker 1: paying a lot of these guys. You're already paying your

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Speaker 1: golf and you're on the Piney Sewel I think has

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Speaker 1: the new contract. But you've got some guys here you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to step up and make and make really

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Speaker 1: hard decisions. And I listen, here's a great example of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Here come the Lions. Unbelievable story, here's their window.

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Speaker 1: And a year later, you're like, I think the Bears

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Speaker 1: are the best team in the viasion, Like that's the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Well, Colin for being real.

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Speaker 6: Green Bay is gonna get Micah Parsons back, Okay next

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Speaker 6: season when he was healthy.

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Speaker 9: Remember that game they went into Denver.

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Speaker 6: They're beating Denver handily, and at that point, at that point,

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Speaker 6: the Packers were like the best or second or third

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Speaker 6: best team in the NFC. I still think the Packers

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Speaker 6: going to next season ahead of the Lions. Are you

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Speaker 6: with me or no?

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Speaker 2: I think the Bears should be favored to win the Bears.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Bears, but then who's second?

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Speaker 1: I would I would? I think the Lions will be

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Speaker 1: really good. I think this guy's guy. I think the

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Speaker 1: Lions and the Packers will buy it. Probably go Bears, Lions,

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Speaker 1: Packers and Minnesota right now doesn't know what goes on.

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Speaker 9: The corner, pulling up the pulling up the rear. All right,

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Speaker 9: final story, We're going back to the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Great day in the end, Sunday just outstanding except for

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Speaker 6: the Lakers, who you know. Let's remember the Lakers are

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Speaker 6: great Friday night against the Clippers, amazing, when Luca and

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Speaker 6: Reeves were awesome. Fast forward to Sunday, they weren't great.

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Speaker 6: Austin Reeves got locked up. Lakers did not look great,

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Speaker 6: Lebron looked not great, and they lost.

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Speaker 9: They lost badly.

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Speaker 6: After the game, James Worthy, big game, James, remember former

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Speaker 6: Finals MVP. Let's just say he took some shots at

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Speaker 6: the Lakers after the pat Riley reveal of the statue.

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Speaker 7: This game to me, wasn't about you know stats and

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Speaker 7: you know rebounds and all that. All that is the norm.

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Speaker 7: No heart week, no heart week. This afternoon was weak.

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Speaker 7: It's the Boston Celtics. Okay, not Tatum. You're at home,

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Speaker 7: you you're you're in fifth place. You're trying to move up.

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Speaker 7: You show no really you know, to me, no respectfully

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Speaker 7: for the uniform.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this goes to something I've said about Luca.

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Speaker 1: So obviously the Lakers did well in the Luca trade.

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Speaker 1: They got their next young star, Lebron. I think not publicly,

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Speaker 1: but privately, had grown frustrated with Anthony Davis's, you know,

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Speaker 1: inconsistency in terms of being in shape and being committed.

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Speaker 1: And then by the way Ad went to Dallas and

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this year looked completely out of shape. Well,

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Speaker 1: he just got a different problem. Where Ad was all

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Speaker 1: time great defensively, but Yola's wondered if he's in shape

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Speaker 1: and how committed he was. Lucas all time great offensively,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he's in great shape and certainly

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Speaker 1: isn't committed on the defensive end. This is what I've

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Speaker 1: said about Carmelo, Anthony and these and these players who

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Speaker 1: were great, but they're James Harden. They're not really committed

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Speaker 1: on the defensive end. That spreads like a virus through

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Speaker 1: the locker room. Lucas spent so much energy and time

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Speaker 1: on officiating, none on defense. And I think what happens

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Speaker 1: is when you're a defensive first organization. The Spurs right now,

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Speaker 1: OKC Boston, those teams play. They are not always hitting

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Speaker 1: their threes. The Celtics have bad shooting nights because they're

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Speaker 1: so three ball reliant. But the Celtics and OKAC and

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Speaker 1: the Spurs play great defense nightly, and that you can

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Speaker 1: always bring your defense because defense is effort. Unless you're

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Speaker 1: at the end of an East Coast road trip as

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Speaker 1: a West Coast team, you're tired. And so when I

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Speaker 1: watched the Lakers yesterday, my take is this is a

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Speaker 1: little bit what you get with Luca. You get these

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Speaker 1: weird halves where like, look at the Lakers this year.

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Speaker 1: They have been in their losses. In nineteen of their

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Speaker 1: twenty two losses, they've been blown out. So anytime they

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Speaker 1: get a little turbulence, they just don't have the medal.

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Speaker 1: That's just not what a Luca team is. And he is,

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Speaker 1: without question, because of Lebron's age and Austin Reeves limitations,

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Speaker 1: he's the centerpiece of the Lakers cold and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be a great culture with him,

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Speaker 1: though he's remarkably talented.

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Speaker 9: Colin, you know, I'm a Luca guy.

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Speaker 6: Okay, The love for Luca when they win is off

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Speaker 6: the charts as soon as.

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Speaker 9: There's a loss.

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Speaker 6: Well, you can't win a championship with Luca.

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Speaker 9: That's starting to become a narrative.

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Speaker 6: Can you win with a guy who doesn't play defense

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Speaker 6: and is never really in shape? Like that's starting to

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Speaker 6: be a thing, and I think that is goofy And

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Speaker 6: come on, Colin.

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Speaker 9: Let's be real.

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Speaker 6: Okay, he's been with the Lakers for twelve months, that's it, okay,

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Speaker 6: and they're in this weird zone where they don't know

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Speaker 6: what is going to happen with Lebron. They don't know

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Speaker 6: Lebron's future, so they can't really build yet he's barely

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Speaker 6: been there.

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Speaker 9: He's been there a year with the Lakers. That's it.

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Speaker 9: Half the last season, half of this season.

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Speaker 6: They're never healthy, the Lebron's I just think we're going

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Speaker 6: to get the last laugh in about a year when

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Speaker 6: the Lakers fixed the.

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Speaker 1: Roster, remember this, when Lebron joined d Wade Chris Bosh

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Speaker 1: and they threw the Heatles together. It took about sixteen

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Speaker 1: seventeen games and they were good.

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Speaker 6: But they did win the title. The first year they

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Speaker 6: lost in the playoffs.

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Speaker 9: Remember the Dalla.

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Speaker 2: They were good.

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Speaker 1: It took him fifteen games, and they were an elite.

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Speaker 9: Top Ron Prime, Wade Prime, bost.

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Speaker 1: Prime, Luca Prime, Austin Reeves Prime.

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Speaker 9: Austin Reeves is not in the same class as those guys.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me what a great player he is daily

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Speaker 1: when he gets shut down when he plays a good

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Speaker 1: defensive team like Minnesota last year or Boston. That's my point.

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Speaker 1: You think he's elite. I think he's the fourth best

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Speaker 1: starter on a championship team, or the third best starter

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Speaker 1: on a team that can win a playoff series. You

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Speaker 1: think he's second best player on a championship team. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean the Celtics, the t Wolf,

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Speaker 1: the really good teams are gonna hunt him down and

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Speaker 1: abuse him defensively.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're gonna do. That's what they did.

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Speaker 6: So the MAVs with Luca and Kyrie Irving got to

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Speaker 6: the finals against Boston.

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Speaker 9: Now they didn't win the championship.

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Speaker 6: When they got to the finals, they were hunting the Kyrie,

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Speaker 6: hunting Luca. It's fine, you could do that. You just

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Speaker 6: need a rim protector like Lively or Gafford. The Lakers

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Speaker 6: have none of that, right, now eighton Rough one Sunday

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Speaker 6: for DeAndre J.

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Speaker 2: Mack with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for stopping by The Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Raiders trading the number one pick, it's out there. Thoughts

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Speaker 1: So this is hard to wrap your brain around, but

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Speaker 1: the last number one pick in the NFL draft at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: the last number one pick at quarterback to win a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the team that drafted him is Peyton.

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Speaker 2: Manning in the late nineties.

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Speaker 1: So there are people that look at the Raiders and think,

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Speaker 1: what a god awful mess trade out of the number

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Speaker 1: one pick with Fernando Mendoza. He's not an l Way

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Speaker 1: level Caleb Williams, you know, Andrew Luck level talent. And

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Speaker 1: then get Ty Simpson somewhere between the eighth and the

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Speaker 1: fifteenth pick. But to me, it doesn't matter if Mendoza

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Speaker 1: wins a Super Bowl ever or even regularly wins his division.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders haven't won a playoff game in twenty three years,

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Speaker 1: and the last time they did, they've only had two

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Speaker 1: winning seasons since then.

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Speaker 2: They're an unstable mess. They just need stabilization.

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Speaker 1: If I could sign up right now, if you're a

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Speaker 1: Raider fan and you said the first three years he

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Speaker 1: goes eight to nine, nine and eight and ten and seven,

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Speaker 1: you should take it now. Different franchises have different realities.

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Speaker 1: You are not the Patriots or the Eagles or the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You're not one of the poorest owners. Twenty three years

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Speaker 1: without a playoff win. It's like if you've if you're

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Speaker 1: a parent and nobody in your family's ever gone to college,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about Harvard. Just try to get somebody to college.

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Speaker 1: Break the chain. Get somebody into college. If you can't

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Speaker 1: even be above five hundred on an average of once

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Speaker 1: a decade, it's not about super bowls. Raise the floor,

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Speaker 1: forget about the ceiling. And I know you're out there, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Raider fans, we can bring back the glory. How about

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Speaker 1: bring back five hundred, how about bring back.

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Speaker 2: A winning November.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, when you're in a division with Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid and Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton, you're just looking

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Speaker 1: for viability. I would sign up for eight, nine, nine

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Speaker 1: and eight and ten and seven today, and I think

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Speaker 1: they have a good left tackle, a good running back,

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Speaker 1: a star tied end, and a couple of decent receivers.

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Speaker 1: There's no way in a million years I'm trading out

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Speaker 1: of that pick. And I listen a lot of the

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Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, Mendoza is a little stiff,

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Speaker 1: He's not a great athlete. His comp is Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more Matt Ryan. But uh sick to

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Speaker 1: this half dozen of the other former Raider Tom telasco

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Speaker 1: on the Raiders and Mendoza likely being the number one pick.

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Speaker 12: Found there, like you can't offer me enough? Like I'm

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Speaker 12: taking Mendoza fully knowing that we need a lot of

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Speaker 12: other help around him. They were gonna have to build

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Speaker 12: on the fly. They've got plenty of cap space this year.

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Speaker 12: They have I think they have a good amount of

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Speaker 12: draft picks. They had good amount of draft picks last year.

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Speaker 12: I think they had ten last year, they got a

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Speaker 12: good amount this year, and you start using your your

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Speaker 12: resource as the best you can to put around Mendoza,

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Speaker 12: but you know, get him there and where you go.

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Speaker 1: For the record, not only are the Raiders bad since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three, they have the worst point differential

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Speaker 1: in the NFL by four hundred points. I mean, Jet

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Speaker 1: fan Jason is laughing at the Raiders. So and again

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Mahomes, Herbert

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Speaker 1: bow Nix. To me, I would sign up for eight, nine, nine,

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Speaker 1: and eight right now if you said first two years.

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Speaker 1: He stabilizes it, he raises the floor. You can watch

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Speaker 1: them on a weekly basis. I mean, you know, Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll didn't work Antonio Piers, to his credit, they played

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Speaker 1: their butt off with Antonio Peers. They weren't very good offensively.

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Speaker 1: But I like to me, once you get the quarterback

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Speaker 1: right in the NFL, everything else kind of falls into place.

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Speaker 1: If you just didn't have to worry about quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the next twelve years, like you can just concentrate on

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Speaker 1: other units. It feels like the Raiders have been worried

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Speaker 1: about quarterback last five years. And it's just you know,

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Speaker 1: you're reaching on Gino and you're overpaying for Gino, and

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Speaker 1: you're it just doesn't work. I can't wait to watch

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Speaker 1: the kid play. I think it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: really interesting player.

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Speaker 9: So Colin, I know we've talked about it.

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Speaker 6: So when I was a young guy, I wanted to

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Speaker 6: be a lawyer, right, so I would have to argue

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Speaker 6: both sides to enhance my point. I tried for the

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Speaker 6: last couple of weeks to figure out what is the

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Speaker 6: other side if you don't take Mendoza. And I'm just

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Speaker 6: curious because nobody's there's not going to be a big

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Speaker 6: hole to trade up for him. We've established that nobody's

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Speaker 6: doing that. He's giving up three ones or even two.

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Speaker 6: So what do you do if you don't take Mendoza one?

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Speaker 6: Let me hear explanation.

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Speaker 1: So I do think somebody would give up a couple

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Speaker 1: of ones for him. I think there are He's an

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Speaker 1: interesting prospect.

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Speaker 6: Where yeah that's interesting. Not slam dunk. No, he should

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Speaker 6: give a slam dunk. But I see I tend to

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Speaker 6: lean more he is a slam dunk. I don't worry

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Speaker 6: about him. I worry about the Raiders messing it up.

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Speaker 6: But I think he's really good.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got the kind of grateful, humility size.

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Speaker 1: He is by far and away the most accurate thrower

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Speaker 1: in this draft, and it's not close.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what if Kubiak says to the front office, Guys,

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Speaker 6: I just watched Darnold, former top five pick after a

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Speaker 6: few years, recalibrate we won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 9: I can do that with Kyler Murray. Oh god, no,

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Speaker 9: I can do.

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Speaker 2: That with.

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Speaker 1: The opposite of Fernando Mendoza. If you like Mendoza, you're

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Speaker 1: totally turned off by Kyler, who is small. You question

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Speaker 1: his commitment. He's not the most humble guy. I like

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but I mean he is the opposite of

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Speaker 1: what people see in Fernando Mendoza. Very grateful, unbelievable size

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Speaker 1: and accuracy and humility, not super athletic. I think he's

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Speaker 1: better than people give him credit for. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a really special player. Our three coming up on a Monday.

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Speaker 6: They heard