1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. My buddy, former NFL scout John Middlecoff 7 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: is going to be joining me here at about five minutes. So. 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: I had picked the Indianapolis Colts to win one of 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: the worst divisions in sports, probably the second weakest, although 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: you can certainly make an argument today it's the weakest 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: the AFC South. The Jags are rebuilding, Houston could arguably 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: be the worst team in the league, certainly the worst 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: roster if not for to Shaun Watson Sell on Tennessee. 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Chad Milman and I talk last week. They're over unders 15 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: about nine and a half. I see him as an 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: absolute under. I think Ryan Tannehill losing Arthur Smith as 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator is a big setback. And then you 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: have the Colts, who have largely done everything right except 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Chris Ballard's a pretty conservative general manager, 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: and he decided to finally go for it. He's used 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: great discretion in his spending, but said, you can do 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: everything right in this league, but if you don't get 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback right, at best, you're a playoff team. It's 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: very much Andy Reid and Brett Veach before Patrick Mahomes, 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: great GM, great coach. You're just a one and done 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: playoff team until you get the quarterback right. So they 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: go spend money on Carson Wentz. I totally support the move. 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: It's go for it move in that division. Went in 29 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: terms of raw talent stands out. He comes off a 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: terrible year and they gave up virtually nothing to get 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: him from Philadelphia, so they really, if you will, won 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: the deal. They won the trade with the Eagles, and 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: then Carson Wentz first week of camp gets hurt. And 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: here's the real dilemma. They don't have a backup quarterback. 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: So they drafted two years ago, two drafts ago, Jacob 36 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Eaton at a Washington. So I watched Jacob Eason a 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: ton because he went to the University of Washington where 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: I grew up, and I try to watch six seven 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: Husky games a year. He looks the part, big strong kid, 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: big powerful arm, The issue with him is cognitive. He 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: struggles off script. He struggles after half. When Chris Peterson 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: had him first ten to twelve fifteen plays scripted, he 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: was fantastic. He can make all the throws, second halfs, 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: bigger games, better opponents. He really struggled, and he's not 45 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: a starter in the NFL. In my opinion, it would 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: be okay if Carson Wentz had a surgery. Let's say 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: they miss a month and you had, you know, a 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: reasonable backup quarterback, a Nick Foles level player, an Andy 49 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Dalton level player. They've got the roster in that division 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: to make a run at the division with an Andy 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: Dalton or Nick Foles. They don't currently have a quarterback 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: on their roster capable of winning the division. And here's 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: what makes it worse. Their September schedule maybe the league's toughest. 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: So if Carson Wentz takes the surgery, and we'll find 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: more about this the next fort eight hours, if he 56 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: elects to have a surgery, it's not season ending, but 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: he probably misses four to six to eight weeks. Listen 58 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: to the Colts early schedule. They open with the Seahawks, 59 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: then it's the Rams. The easy game is the Titans, 60 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: but it's at Tennessee. Will wait, They're at Miami and 61 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: then they're at the Ravens. So you open up with 62 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: two of the top half dozen teams in the league, 63 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Seattle and the Rams at home. Then you're on the 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: road for Tennessee, Miami and Baltimore. Absolutely brutal luck for 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: the Colts. They simply right now do not have a 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: quarterback in camp that I think can win a game 67 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: in the first five weeks. Again, they're in a weird 68 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: wobbly division. If you got to host Tennessee, you played 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: the Jags, you played Houston, you'd have a shot in September. 70 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: So it's the ultimate dilemma. I seriously wonder unless they 71 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: can sign a capable backup, if it doesn't torpedo the 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: season and it goes back to show that you can 73 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: do everything right in this league. Look at Kyle Shanahan's 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: record without Jimmy Garoppolo. John Lynch and Kyle Shannahon have 75 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: built a Super Bowl roster. Shanahan's record without Jimmy Garoppolo, 76 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: who most of you don't like, they win less than 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: forty percent of their games. Let's bring in John Middlecoff, 78 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: former NFL scout, my buddy here on a Monday. All right, John, 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: I just laid out my thoughts on the Colts and 80 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the timing of the Carson Wentz injury, which does not 81 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: appear to be season ending. So let me just throw 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: it to you. If you're a Carson Wentz, would you 83 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: get the surgery come back in six weeks or would 84 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: you just play through it with a risk of hurting 85 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: it again? Yeah? I mean it feels a little bit 86 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: like a pitcher whatever they basically have. Tommy John's inevitable, right, 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: But the difference with Tommy John as it knocks you 88 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: out for a long period of time. If the surgery 89 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: you can come back, you know early on in the season, 90 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: especially that extra game, you would have to make you think. Now, 91 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: I think the added pressure he just left a disastrous situation. 92 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: He's trying to reprove himself. He's an injury prone guy. 93 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: So I think in this one, you get surgery, it's 94 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: you'll never shake that label. Now you could argue it 95 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: might not matter, like he gets hurt. I think the 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Cults are in trouble now. When they traded for him, 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: they knew what they were getting. He was an injury 98 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: prone guy who was struggling. Now he had a high upside. 99 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Their options were relatively limited. I think it's easy because 100 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this week and like, if 101 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: he knew what he knows now, you know, Mac Jones 102 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: and Justin Fields like more likely the Colts might have 103 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: liked one of those two quarterbacks they could have been 104 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: had after picked twelve, But you didn't know. You had 105 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: to make a decision right in March. It's easy in 106 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: hindsight to go what would have been available, but that 107 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: just wasn't the case. So they made the best option 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: that they had, which was trade you know, conditional first. Really, 109 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: it might end up being a third and a second 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: for a guy that has been an MVP level talent. 111 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: But I think the number one thing for Carson Wentz 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: that is going to define his career is not going 113 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: to be the poor play or the great play. It's 114 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna he gets hurt all the time, you know, all 115 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: the time, Colin, Yeah, speaking of that, a report out 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: of the forty nine ers camp that Trey Lance looks 117 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: ready to play. You're very connected to the Bay Area teams, 118 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's I like Garoppolo more than most. You know, 119 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: I kind of put him in that Derek Carr camp 120 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: or I think he can sling it. I think he's confident. 121 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: But there are moments when Kyle Shanahan's taking the ball 122 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: out of his hands in big spots, and that's just 123 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: a bad sign. You saw that with mcvah and Jared 124 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Goff before it ended. You can sense when a coach 125 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: doesn't trust a quarterback. You've seen that with Kirk Cousins 126 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: multiple times in his career. But it's I want to 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: throw this set you. As a former scout, I could 128 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: make the argument based on the early Niners schedule, there's 129 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: value in playing Jimmy Garoppolo and letting him look great 130 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: and then moving him. Even if you liked Trey Lance, 131 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: you could get something for him. You can show him 132 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: off to the league. If you felt that Lance was 133 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: even in your Kyle Shanahan, do you still play him 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 1: or do you gamble with it, go with Garoppolo, show 135 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: him off and dangle him on the market. Yeah, to me, 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: the tie goes to Trey Lance on this one. If 137 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: if that's the way, I'm going to practice on Tuesday 138 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: and Wednesday, we'll see. I know everything that happened. I 139 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: guess on Saturday with shorts and t shirts. They put 140 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: on pads starting tomorrow. The thing in football, I mean 141 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I went to OTAs he's big, He's got 142 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: a huge arm. I mean he when you're staying right 143 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: next to him, it's like, wow, that's what it's supposed 144 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: to look like. Jimmy's not a great practice player either. 145 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Even the year the Niners went to the Super Bowl 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: at Jimmy struggles in practice. He throws a lot of 147 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: picks in practice. He's not a great decision maker in practice. 148 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: So the momentum right for the last four years, Jimmy 149 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: could struggle in practice and around here it was just 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: a big story. Jimmy throws two picks in practice, but CJ. 151 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Bethard Nick mullins that nothing was going to happen. Now 152 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: the elephant in the room is three first round draft 153 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: picks for Trey Lance. What are we waiting for? And 154 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: you can feel the momentum. If the preseason games, if 155 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: he's looking good, I think Jimmy could get past I 156 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: don't think you can be consumed with the value because 157 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: Colin last year, before Jimmy got hurt, he wasn't that good, 158 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: So you're just playing him for a quote unquote to 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: get the value, Like there's a chance that might just 160 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: not even work. And what if you lose the Lions Eagles, 161 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: it's the nine ers have to start two and oh, 162 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: that's as easy of a start as you're going to 163 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: get for a good team. Like if you look around 164 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: the league, what if Jimmy screws up one of those 165 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: games and all of a sudden you lose the Eagles 166 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: because you were trying to just pump up Jimmy's value 167 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: and hopes to trade he makes twenty million dollars. Collin like, 168 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he's tradeable at this point in time, 169 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: which he clearly the offseason you could tell like they 170 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: were hoping to get like a second round pick at 171 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: that price range. No one was trading for him. So 172 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: about the only way you can move him is if 173 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: a team gets completely desperate, perhaps the Colts Wentz has surgery. 174 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: It's week five, we're one and four, So I agree 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: with you. I think he is a hard move, But God, 176 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: teams in this league, John, they get desperate fast. I 177 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: do think for the Colts, if you had to rank 178 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: their desperate options right now. I think, first off, you're 179 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: calling Philip Rivers, see if he'll hang up the whistle 180 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: for a year and come back. He just knows what 181 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: you're doing. Maybe he'll come back for you know, some 182 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: sort of game bonus, like a million dollars a game 183 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: or something that, you know, a contract that gets you 184 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: to twenty five million, but on the cap it's only 185 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: like three or four million, something like that. I think 186 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: Nick Foles, who makes a lot less than Jimmy and 187 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: Frank knows now that would be weird, right, Carson and 188 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: Nick already back together. I think Jimmy is clearly below 189 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: those two guys in terms of options because they just 190 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: know Frank, They know the offense Jimmy. You know, does 191 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Frank comfortable? Like determinology isn't the same? Those were things 192 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: that I'm sure they've been talking about the last couple 193 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: of days. Could you have two injury prone quarterbacks in 194 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: Jimmy and Carson on the same roster that combined to 195 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: make like fifty five million dollars? You know that's I 196 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: know that they're desperate, but I think the one thing, 197 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: and you know, Ballard, I think a defining characteristic for him, 198 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: which has really been impressive, right, how well he's handled 199 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: these tough situations that he's you know, from Josh Quinton 200 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: to Andrew Quinton to now this situation. You just watch, 201 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Like I do, think his personality is made for to 202 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: not overreact because everything he's done for the last three 203 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: or four years to build this thing has has been 204 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: play at steady. And look at this move. I mean 205 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: it was I wouldn't say trading for Carson Wentz wasn't overreaction. 206 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: If anything, he kept pushing back against the Eagles, like, guys, 207 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm not trading you two first round picks for this guy. 208 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: He ended up not even if Carson never plays for him, 209 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't even turn into a first round pick. So 210 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: I he got them relatively cheap. Now, the problem is 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: it just they're very dependent on him because like you know, 212 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: you don't have a quarterback sam Ellen jard and uh 213 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: Eason like you. I mean, honestly, if those two guys 214 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: had to play the whole season, how many games they 215 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: had win to seven? Maybe? I mean, their teams still good, 216 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: but their quarterback player would be horrendous. You know, you 217 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: talk about money for quarterbacks, so you know, when you 218 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: were a kid. My mom would give me like five dollars. 219 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: Go to the candy store and you get a butter 220 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: finger and maybe you get a popsicle and some bubble gum. 221 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: But sometimes members of the media treat the NFL like 222 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: your mom gave you one hundred dollars and that you 223 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: can have everything. You can pay top dollar for a 224 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: receiver and a coroner and a quarterback, And it doesn't 225 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: work that way. And it's funny. The media will totally 226 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: support Davante Adams demanding a massive salary, like twenty seven 227 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: million next year, Aaron Rodgers salary cap that he's going 228 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: to make forty six million dollars because they push some 229 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: money back. Yeah, if you paid Himante Adams, and with 230 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I mean the second the season ends, explain 231 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: this to me. You have to get rid of Aaron. 232 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Is that. I like Damante Adams. I'm a huge fan. 233 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: But we're getting to a point now with wide receiver 234 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: money at a position. College football is sending the NFL 235 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: twenty five really capable guys, and many are starring year one. Yeah, 236 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: like Michael Pittman, Chase Claypool, t Higgins, Like second round guys, 237 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: you're like they're all really good right out of the shoot. 238 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: And it's an interesting you know, Ted Thompson didn't believe 239 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: in free agency. He was a draft guy. Brian Gudenkunst, 240 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: I think along those lines. You know, it's just kind 241 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: of part of the rigidity of the Packers and free agency. 242 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: They're just not going to spend money for whatever reasons. 243 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of that is 244 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: just it's just sort of the style that Ted Thompson created, 245 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: right culturally, But you start looking at Aaron's salary and 246 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: what Davante Adams wants. You have to keep him for 247 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: a year to keep Aaron happy. The bottom line is 248 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: these these star quarterbacks need their guys. I mean, Brady 249 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: fought for Chris Hogan West Welker. But I look at 250 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's first talk about Aaron and his deal. Basically, 251 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: the Packers didn't really lose anything. They just they lost 252 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: a year off the deal, but they're going to get 253 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: rid of him in two years anyway. So I didn't 254 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: see it as a huge gain other than that in 255 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: a little money for Aaron Rodgers. How did you view 256 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: the whole thing? Well, if it goes really well and 257 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: one thing he talked about was how desperately he wanted 258 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: to be included, and thinks, let's just gave best case scenario. 259 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: They were able to kind of have middle ground professionally, 260 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: Gudakins and Aaron and they're like, you know, I we 261 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: have another great season, I win another MVP, and I 262 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: want to stay here with my guy Davante. Well, one 263 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: thing we know about Aaron is he's not he's not 264 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: taking any discounts. So what's that contract right away? One 265 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: hundred and forty guaranteed over four years or whatever, So 266 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: you would invest let's say he'd be open to that 267 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: right after this season, doing some enormous extension. Well, then 268 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: also DeVante, you'd have to You wouldn't keep Aaron without 269 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: keeping Davanta, So you'd be into two guys, probably guaranteeing 270 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: a combined Amari got sixty million two years ago, Davante 271 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: would probably want seventy five, So you'd be in one 272 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: forty and seventy five and DeVante think two guys, now 273 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: they are you know, DeVante is they're the best at 274 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: their position, but you're margin for error. Immediately, you're getting 275 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: rid of Zadarius Smith and you start trimming off the top. 276 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: That's all. It just and I the problem for them. 277 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: I like what you're saying about Davantae because I think 278 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: I do side with the Packers on this one, like 279 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: he wants high. Opkins makes twenty seven five, But truly 280 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: that's not a real number because they just guaranteed them 281 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: like two years. The average top receiver makes like twenty. 282 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: They would have no problem giving them twenty one or whatever. 283 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: But the Packers don't have these other wide receivers, right, 284 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: They're so dependent on it. Most teams have like two guys, right, 285 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Cowboys. Every clip I see 286 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: it's Ceedee lamp Well. Amari Cooper is their number one guy, right, 287 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: and it gallops good Like they got a ton of guys. 288 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: The Packers have to have Davante, as we see when 289 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: they take them off. They got four guys you've never 290 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: heard of the way they've built their team. And this 291 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: gets back to Aaron with Jordan Love. If they would 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: have taken Brandon Nyuk, who's dominating for the Niners in camp, 293 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: they would feel a little bit better. Like Davontae, let's 294 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: just calm down, we can meet on a number. They 295 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't feel desperate. 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I said this the other day, 320 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: if you go back, the angst with Aaron may have 321 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: been around when they didn't give him a heads up 322 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: on his quarterback, coach Van Pelt leaving right the angst, Yeah, 323 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: but the draft is really what pissed him off. When 324 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: you go back and look at that draft. Now, most 325 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: GM will tell you, John, your first four rounds is 326 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: when you get your players. Everything after that's a finger cross. 327 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: But your first four rounds you get guys. That team 328 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: needed a linebacker that had been pushed around twice by 329 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: the Niners and the Chargers. They could use another quarter 330 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: corner opposite Jaire Alexander, and they needed a wide receiver. 331 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: They not only drafted moved up to get Jordan, of 332 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: which took away their fourth round pick. They went got 333 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: a power running back in the second round they didn't need, 334 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: and a blocking tied end in the third. Jesus, it 335 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: is an egregiously bad draft. They if they had gone 336 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: and remember John, that draft had thirty five receivers. People 337 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: talked about it being the best receiver draft. The draft one. 338 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: That draft is so bad. Well, I think the problem 339 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: is any boss in any industry takes calculated risks. I 340 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: mean most humans do. You took a calculated risk when 341 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: you left your old company. What you're doing now, that 342 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: was a calculator risk. There was risk involved. It's gone 343 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: really well, but it was risk. They could have gone poorly. 344 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: They made a calculated risk. They shorted Aaron Rodgers. They 345 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: thought he was trending the wrong way, and honestly, I 346 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: don't even necessarily disagree with him. They made the wrong 347 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: bat though. They shorted a player that won the MVP 348 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: who's clearly trended. White back Taylor made the best player 349 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: this offense has had since better in that version of 350 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: Elway at the end with Shanahan, right, he was old, 351 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: this is the best player that's ever been in the 352 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Shanahan offense. And we saw it was unstoppable. I had 353 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: a friend in the league. Who's been in the league. 354 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: I think like thirteen fourteen years. I said last year 355 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: and he was in the division last year. I said, 356 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: was that the best player you've ever scouted? He said 357 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: he had be on the top two or three players, right, 358 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack twenty fifteen, maybe at Julio Jo just pure 359 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: season because Aaron with the Packers with Lafleur twenty twenty 360 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: his MVP. Because in this offense, with that talent, it's 361 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: not it's not a fair fight. I mean, we've seen 362 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: Kyle and McVeigh with Goff and Jimmy have success. It's 363 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: not so now Aaron's got all the juice back and 364 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: they're in this position where you noticed Gudakins was kept 365 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: saying like we got to meet in the middle, We 366 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: got to meet in the middle. Like, Brian, I get 367 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: why you would think that internally because you laid this 368 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: out and I was thinking about this, like Aaron wouldn't 369 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: have been right on Narro all those decisions, right, he 370 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: was very emotional with Charles Woodson and Jordy Nelson. But 371 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: you do the NBA gms are good at this. They 372 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: just swallow their pride and they just give it all 373 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: to the player publicly, and the Packers struggle with that 374 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: because that is not their mo that's not how they've 375 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: been trained. Well, the game has changed a little bit, 376 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: and if you don't, he's gonna make this more and 377 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: more uncomfortable for you. And I honestly, without Aaron Rodgers Laflour, 378 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: who's proven to be a really good coach, and Goodkin's 379 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: pretty good GM two, their careers would be in trouble, 380 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, moving forward. You know, if they trade them 381 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: and then Jordan loves bad like, it could derail their careers. 382 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: These are young guys that could have a long career 383 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: in this business. It could change immediately. So they got 384 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: to figure this out in the next six months. And 385 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I know people in the 386 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: league that just think, one, Aaron's really bright. He's just 387 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: a smart guy. He's you know, he's a forty wonder. 388 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: He's just a smart guy. You know. The Packers just 389 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of got some scouts, you know, they just sit 390 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: in that room, they bang the film like this situation 391 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: calls on like a pat Riley type to figure this 392 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: thing out. And I don't know if they have that 393 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: in the back to deal with Aaron. You know, yeah, 394 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: the speaking of quarterbacks, I'll pivot to Justin Herbert. So 395 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: a friend who I respect an athlete, was at the 396 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: Chargers practice the other day with Jeffin Herbert and he 397 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: said to me, he is so good. It's he's huge 398 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: in person, and he said, he throws the easiest ball 399 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a quarterback throw, including Mahomes. And it's funny. 400 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: Talsco will tell you privately that you know, they had 401 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: huge concerns with Justin because in college he looks so 402 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: reluctant to make throws. Callin the entire league, the entire league, 403 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: did you know, I mean, he wasn't alone, right, Everyone 404 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: did not think Justin Herbert was going to be this. 405 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: And it goes back to Mario Crista Ball. So Krista Ball, 406 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, is less miles an offensive line coach 407 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: that has a presence and can recruit, and he gets 408 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: elevated a head coach and creates a power running game 409 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: and a prehistoric offense. And if you go look, the 410 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: last three or four recruiting classes for Oregon have been 411 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: best in the Pac twelve, among top seven or eight 412 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: in the country. What's remarkable is since Crystal Ball has 413 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: been there, they're one game above five hundred on the 414 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: road and one game again above five hundred against ranked teams. 415 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: And that I have having covered the Ducks, I have 416 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: several people close to the program that I've that we 417 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: talked about this not frequently but once twice a year, 418 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: and they all say the same thing. And there are 419 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: people that know football. I mean, Oregon's got a lot 420 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: of former athletes, a lot of former Ducks, a lot 421 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: of former NFL guys that I know that I talked to, 422 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: and they all say the same thing. You know, he's 423 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: less miles, he can recruit, he has a presence. That's 424 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: why I got the job. But man, if you're a quarterback, 425 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: remember less miles. Issues with Nick Saban's why he got fired. 426 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: Like they couldn't get first downs against Nick. And I 427 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: mean even coaches you know who have not done well 428 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: and been fired in the sec You know, former Texas 429 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: A and M coach Kevin Sumlin moved the ball against 430 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Nick Saban. Yeah, And so you know, I look at 431 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and it's a little bit of a cautionary 432 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: tale that you know, for Oregon number one, you got 433 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: a coach that can recruit, but I'm not sure if 434 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: he can do anything else. And number two, in your 435 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: years of scouting, when the best gms in the league 436 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: that I know had huge reservations about Justin, Herbert now 437 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: Talsco liked him, but you know there were a list. 438 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: I've talked him multiple times, and without getting into these 439 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: conversations and giving away what he said, they were, you 440 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: were almost Joel Clatt similarly, they were almost all about boy, 441 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: he just doesn't let her rip. Boy, he can be hesitant. 442 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: Now Clatt's like, oh my god, I whipped. That's not 443 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: the issue. Well, I think I think if you look back, 444 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: one thing that I don't think was talked about enough 445 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: because historically, definitely since I've been watching the Ducks, when 446 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Blotti took over and then Ship, they had a lot 447 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: of offensive skill guys who were elite. Justin did not 448 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: play with NFL offensive skill guys, the wide receivers not 449 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: getting drafted, probably the were set of running backs in Oregans, 450 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, since they've become a legit program. So he 451 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: was playing with guys that really should more like Nevada 452 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: players than Oregon, you know, high end power five level talent. 453 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: So when you look back, you go, you know, it's 454 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: kind of unfair to judge him. Not guys weren't getting 455 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: open he did, He wasn't playing with other NFL players. 456 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: His physical skill set is elite, right you said, not 457 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: just the size his arm. He's Josh Allen like. But 458 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, his personality I think was another thing. Whether 459 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: it's fair or not. You go program quarterback Marcus Mariota 460 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: similar makeup, high character. People love him, but he's very 461 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: reserved and quiet, and people like, I don't know if 462 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: it's gonna work well. His talent, unlike Mariota, is in 463 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: a different stratosphere. I mean that throw that went viral 464 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: the other day, and listen to his training camp stuff. 465 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: But on the move to throw it like that and 466 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: hit the guy in stride, I mean that's that was 467 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: like far van. I mean, that's that's his skill set. 468 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: Like I texted Daniel Jeremiah who was there. He's like, 469 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: this kid looks awesome, and he looked it just tramp, 470 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: but he has skill. Guys to LESCo is great at 471 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: finding random skill, you know, offensive talent. Keenan Allen is 472 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: an elite player. They always have good running he's just 473 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: playing with high end talent. Colin if that coach is good, 474 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: and you never know with a young coach. Brandon Salley 475 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: has only been the league for you know, five years. 476 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: He's also a coordinator, so he's got a lot on 477 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: the table. They should be competing to be a playoff team. Like, 478 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: I love the Colts, and I thought I was high 479 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: on them with Carson, but now it's like, could you 480 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: just sub the Chargers out for the Colts? You know, 481 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: It's like, couldn't they just be like a ten eleven 482 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: win team? The Chargers. I mean, they have a quarterback. 483 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: Who is it crazy to think that if things go well, 484 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: he's in the MVP conversation. I mean, the quarterbacks never 485 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: mature faster than they do in this game. Right, Lamar 486 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: won it year two? Why couldn't Herbert? He could throw it. 487 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: He's much more of an explosive thrower. He doesn't need 488 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: to run. He could throw forty touchdownds this year, right, 489 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: if they stay healthy with their offensive skill. Guys, I 490 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: think sometimes we make too big a deal in the 491 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: scouting community. I think humans do just in general. When 492 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: now in football you're paying a guy so much money 493 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: at a high of a draft and a quarterback. When 494 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: you're not assertive and loud, that turns people off, turns 495 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: coaches off, turns GM's off. But sometimes people just like 496 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 1: once you're around him, Clearly people just gravitate toward At 497 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: the end of the day too. When you have that 498 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: type talent, the receiver is gonna like you, the line's 499 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: gonna like to block for you, You're gonna win, You're 500 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: gonna make everyone money. You're good for business. So and 501 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: clearly I think that was a little overblown for him. 502 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: I even think Maryoda, if you look at it, like 503 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: I remember last year when you got to start with 504 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: the Raiders, all the Titans were people like these guys, 505 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: they're liked just because they're not the loudest guy in 506 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the room. That's not the most important thing all the time. 507 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: We started this podcast talking about the Colts in a 508 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: week division. A really interesting division which I think is 509 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: weaker than people think is the NFC South. With the 510 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas news and the lack of a go to 511 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: starting quarterback, the Saints are actually in a rebuild. They 512 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: also had to shave so many players because of the 513 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: salary cap issues. It landed defensively as in a complete rebuild, 514 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: and they hired an offensive coach, and Carolina is viewed 515 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: again as in the middle of a rebuild. Then there's Tampa, 516 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: which is great. But I'm going to ask you, I'll 517 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: give you mine. We know in this league there was 518 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: a team every year that doubles their win total. It's 519 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: just the way it is, and it comes from nowhere. 520 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: And then there's a team that always disappoints us. Last 521 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: year it was the Niners, based overwhelmingly to injuries. So 522 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: you and I are not going to predict injuries. A 523 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: good team that struggles. I'm not going to ask you 524 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: that because nobody knows. But I do think there are 525 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: some signs and some tells on teams that will double 526 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: their wins. I think even the fans are picking up 527 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: on Minnesota. I think that's a team that has a 528 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: chance to be a playoff team. I don't have him in, 529 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: but they could be. Zimmer's a good coach. Well, their 530 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: defense was awful. He is a defensive coach. Their offense 531 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: is really good. They'll be in the mix for sure. 532 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw one at you, and I know the 533 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: initial reaction is calling you like Sam Darnold. But Atlanta 534 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: and the Saints are rebuilding, and I don't think Caroline 535 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: is going to beat Tampa. But I think Matt Rule 536 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: and that young GM in back to back drafts have 537 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: hit some real home runs. You start looking at their offense. 538 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson, DJ Moore, Cuba Hubbard is a backup to 539 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. They hit two or three major home runs 540 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: in last year's draft. Defensive line, Derek Brown, a safety 541 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: in the second round, like hit home runs like yeah, Chin, 542 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: I think Jamus Yeah. And you start looking if the 543 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: b YU left tackle, who I was told by two gms, 544 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I trust he's a starter, probably mid season. He's not 545 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: real strong, good feet, absolute starter, probably takes eight games 546 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: to replace their week left starter. They're very good at 547 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: right tackle. But just start start looking at that team 548 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: outside of tight end. Offensively in that division, they could 549 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: score a lot of points. They have the sixth weakest 550 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: schedule in the NFL, and there's there's some there's some 551 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: bad bottom of division teams on that schedule. They're over 552 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: under his like higher than you'd think. You know, they 553 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: won five last year, but I think they had like 554 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: eight one score losses. They're at seven and a half, 555 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there, I'm up and down reading all 556 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: these reports and watching all the videos, and I'm like, 557 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: would you be shocked if Matt Rule and Darnald went 558 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: ten and seven? Would you be shocked? And then give 559 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: me your team who shocks us this year? Yeah? I 560 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: mean I my one concern, and listen, I'm a Sam Darnold. 561 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: I'm really rooting for him. Just texting people that were unbiased, 562 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: that evaluated him last year when he was on the block, 563 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: and you know people are gonna trade for him. The 564 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: concern I heard from assistant coaches gms were just the 565 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: turnover stuff and just ken yet like it's just makes 566 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: people very uncomfortable that he makes throws that are just 567 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: like he's too talented, too good of a player to 568 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: be making those throws. Now you get a guy like 569 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: McCaffrey around, Joe Brady again, a young coordinator, kind of 570 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, got anointed. We'll see, like he 571 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: has not really proved it. I mean, he was a 572 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: quality control guy with Sean Payton three years ago and 573 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: now he's, you know, a coordinator. Can they just get 574 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: Sam to not take as many chances because on a 575 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: wheel route you just dump at a twenty two. And obviously, 576 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Christian McAffrey a couple of years ago, you know, I 577 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: had a thousand yards receiving. Like that's a huge element 578 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: that I think can work for a guy who just 579 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: needs to play a little more under control and in fairness, 580 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: Sam had to do everything. He doesn't have to do 581 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: everything here and to me there, if they're gonna win 582 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 1: ten games, I think McCaffrey's gonna have to have a 583 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: massive year. He can't miss a month if he plays 584 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: sixteen games, you know, obviously ideally seventeen, but if he 585 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: plays the majority of the season, I don't think it's crazy. 586 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: But Sam can't be throwing sixteen seventeen turnovers. To me, 587 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: that number or interceptions, that number's got to be probably 588 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: in the single digits because that'll kill you. Because their 589 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: quarterback player last year, I mean, Teddy's not very good. 590 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's sad what happened to his 591 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: career and everything, but he's just not any good. The 592 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: team would probably be one of the teams from the 593 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: NFC East just you would think, like I watched some 594 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: of these clips with Dallas. Assuming Dak's healthy, their offense 595 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: should be dominant. Their defense last year was just you know, 596 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: clearly some of the players might have been overhyped or whatever, 597 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: but it was a joke what they were doing, Like 598 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: people had no clue what they were doing. Now, dan Quinn, 599 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: you'd say, well, look at his defenses, he's a defensive 600 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: guy in Atlanta. Weren't that good either, But you would 601 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: just say, it'd be hard to be that terrible again, right, 602 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: if Dak can stay healthy. To me, if their defense 603 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: can just make some open field tackles, that team can't 604 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: get to ten wins. Now, you know, McCarthy, I know 605 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: everyone acts like he's the village idiot, and Aaron thought that, 606 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: and who knows, he did have a long period of 607 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: time where he had questionable defenses, really good offenses and 608 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: won a lot of games. Now Aaron's better than Dak. 609 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: But this offense, you know, you know some of those 610 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: teams McCarthy remember, were loaded at wide receiver. This very similar, 611 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: right with a Mari cd and Gallup. They have you know, Zeke, 612 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: but they also Appollard and last year was really good. 613 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: Just I don't think that the Eagles aren't gonna be 614 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: very good. Jalen hurts, I don't don't believe in and 615 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: they're just they're rebuilding. Definitely, the Giants quarterback situation could 616 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: just be an abomination, right, he might just not be good. 617 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: And their offensive line, let's be honest about it, to 618 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: bottom five old line in the NFL for sure. And 619 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: then I know Fitzpatrick was really sexy name and had 620 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: just a career year, like he usually doesn't have back 621 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: to back really good years, right, and he's also I 622 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: read competing with Taylor Heinekey. So let's just I mean, 623 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: that's that's their quarterback situation. I know their defense is good, 624 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: but a good defense, no questionable quarterback play. In twenty 625 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: twenty one, that might be seven wins. So could the 626 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys get you know, they should be able to beat 627 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: up on that division with a coach who you know, 628 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: really he struggled the last couple of years clearly when 629 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: he got fired, and then last year he had a 630 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: long period of time when he was winning a lot 631 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: of games. And this Cowboy team does have some talent. Yeah, 632 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: if you if you go look at the Dallas Cowboys schedule, 633 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: the Cowboys schedule is brutal, opening week at Tampa and 634 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: then they go to the Chargers, so it's a really 635 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: rough opening. But boy, you get Philadelphia, Carolina Giants, Patriots, Denver, 636 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta Raiders, Saints st there's a lot of double us 637 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: on that. Cardinals. Yeah, you get the Eagles twy. I 638 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: mean it's just you got you got a chance to 639 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: if your coach is decent to win ten games, ten 640 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: eleven and really, Dak just because you make a lot 641 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: of money, that doesn't mean you're a great player. But 642 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: I think we can all acknowledge he's a pretty solid player, 643 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: and the talent around him is immense at wide receiver. 644 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: And it's a throwing league. McCarthy has run throwing offenses historically. 645 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: Right with Aaron, they throw they His knock was that 646 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: he didn't run the ball enough back with some of 647 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: those Packer teams just let it rip. And I just 648 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: think the quarterback play in that division is going to 649 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: play in their favor assuming this show, because I don't 650 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: like to assume when a guy gets hurt early in 651 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: training camp, every you know, it's every GM, Oh, it's minor. Oh, 652 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: it's just going to be a week and then you 653 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: just don't see him for a month, You're like, what's 654 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: going on here? Yeah, well, listen, Dak's going to compete 655 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: against Daniel Jones, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jalen Hurts. He's significantly 656 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: better than all three. We can't deny that. There's very 657 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: possible Dallas goes five and one or six and no 658 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: on division. So you saw something about two weeks ago. 659 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: I think it was about two weeks ago. The NFL 660 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: came out and was pretty intense on COVID that weren't 661 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: ff and around. I mean they just basically said, get vaxed. Yeah, 662 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: more or less, get vaxed. If you don't, it's going 663 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: to be really tough, significant testing, longer layoffs if you 664 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: test positive. Now around the country, Netflix, Disney, you're seeing 665 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: a corporate move following the NFL, and that's not going 666 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: to go backwards with the Delta variant. Whether you believe 667 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: it's overrated, if you believe you shouldn't wear masks, whatever 668 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: you read at whatever cable news company you watch, the 669 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: reality is is the NFL has said we're not messing 670 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: around with this thing. We're not taking any chances. I'm 671 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: a little shocked. I was listening to Mike Lombardi, the 672 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: former NFL GM. He said he talked to somebody. I 673 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: mean he's talking to NFL coaches, not necessarily head coaches, 674 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: but coaches that think there's literally something in these microjack scenes, microchips, 675 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy shit. I mean, are you surprised 676 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: Washington has struggled to get to fifty percent of vaccinated players? 677 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: Are you surprised? I mean, God, if you on cut 678 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: day down to fifty three, there's gonna be ten guys. 679 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: Don't you have to be vaccinated? They just get rid 680 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: of you. I've had several coaches and executives that were like, listen, 681 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: I did not feel comfortable doing it, but I have to. 682 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: This job pays me a lot of money. I had 683 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: no choice. I got so. I every coaching executive I 684 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: know that was not necessarily I wouldn't say on board 685 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: because they had it. I mean, they eventually got it, 686 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: but they felt a little pressured into it, but they 687 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: got to do it for work. I'm not surprised with 688 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: the players. I'm thirty six. Most of most of my friends, 689 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: i'd say, are early thirties to you know, late thirties. 690 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: My younger brother is thirty, so he's got a lot 691 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: of friends in their twenties. Younger people look at this 692 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: disease a little differently, especially the athletes. And I think 693 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot of these athletes in the league were just one. 694 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: A lot of them live in communities where like we're 695 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: in California, you'd think, like, I mean to shut us down. 696 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: For a long time, a lot of these states did not, right. 697 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: So these guys Florida, Texas, you know, all the southern states. 698 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: So they go, you're forcing me to get something, And 699 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: naturally young people when they're forced, they kind of pushed back. 700 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: And one I just think they're hesitant, like I don't 701 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: need this. One I either had it or one I'm 702 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: just not. I'm not. I guess the way to put 703 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: it would be scared of it. And I think a lot. 704 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: And then once you really start forcing guys, they're like 705 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: kind of fu like, fuck you, I'm not taking this right. Right. 706 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: But at this point in time, and I've thought this 707 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: for a while, the moment camp started, and you see, 708 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: like whenever you see a guy at a press conference 709 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: with a mask, it's obvious he doesn't have it. Right. 710 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: The rules they have to follow tested every day, eat 711 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: by themselves and you see your friends just get to 712 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: live life. You go, well, you know, I don't want 713 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: to live. This sucks. I don't want to have to 714 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: get here. All my scouting friends had to get to 715 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: work every day last year between six and seven am, 716 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: every day of the week to get the swap. Well, 717 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: the moment you get vaccinated, you don't have to do 718 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: that anymore. I think that if once you're vaccinated in 719 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: the league, now, if you're an exact a coach or 720 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: a player, you get tested once every fourteen days and 721 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: it's not like the crack at all, and it's just 722 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: whenever you come though this test, you're rapid where it 723 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: is very, very difficult. And they made it difficult because 724 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: it's one it's expensive to do the testing, and they're 725 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: looking at it like one, you're threat our games, because 726 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: that's really all the NFL cares about is that three games. 727 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: That's where they make all their money. That's why the 728 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: team's got the three hundred million dollars revenue split this year. 729 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: Every team got that. That's where they make their cash. 730 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: And if you threaten the games, whether you believe in 731 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: it or not, they were not mess around. And I 732 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: think that's where I think a lot of younger players 733 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: are coming around, just because they're seeing their friends and 734 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: their teammates live much better. And a lot of their 735 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: teammates who expend every day with tell them, Bro, wasn't 736 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: that bad. Just get it, You'll just we'll just move on. 737 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: I just talked. I talked to a friend of the coaches, 738 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: though I can't I can't understand that one that seems 739 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: a little crazy. Well, a friend. I talked to a 740 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: friend in the league, and he said, what people aren't 741 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: discussing as owners are seventy years old, and they like 742 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: to go to practice. They don't want to catch it. 743 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of these coaches on this staff, a 744 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of these position guys, they're fifty eight to sixty eight. 745 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: It's not about young players getting it. It's about the owner, 746 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the owners friends who go to practice or in the 747 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: locker room, the older coaches on the staff, overweight coaches. 748 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: You're not that active during the season. A lot of 749 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: overweight you know. So it's for the young players. I 750 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: get your reasoning, like I get a kid who grows 751 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: up in Florida, and the culture in Florida was screw 752 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: this thing, and I'm twenty two. I'm ripped, Like, what 753 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: do I care? I'm not married, I have no kids. 754 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: Who's in danger? You know, you go see your grandma. 755 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it, but but I do to your point. 756 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: I get young players seeing the world differently. But the 757 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: guy I talked to said, it ain't about them. It's 758 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: about the owner. Wants to be at practice with his 759 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: buddies in the locker room. You don't want it to 760 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: be near any of these guys who are well. And 761 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: it's just a competitive disadvantage. I mean, you saw Alabama, 762 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: they're like ninety nine their entire team and obviously the 763 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: coaching staff. And I texted with a coach who's now 764 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: former SEC coach who's working up in a different conference now, 765 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: I said, do you think it? You know, was it 766 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: going to be a problem in the SEC? Well, at 767 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: the moment the Alabama figure it out, every team had 768 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: to follow Kirby. Those teams had to get all like 769 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: because you'll get rushed right while Bama's doing it. So 770 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: we had it's just about football, and that's you're seeing 771 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: some of these teams, like the Washington they have a 772 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: problem on their hands, Like that's fifty percent is not 773 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: really that close. There are some teams that are not 774 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: that close to ninety. To me, once you you're hearing 775 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: a lot of like that means a lot of guys 776 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: have got the first shot. I think they've got it 777 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: recently because they saw how difficult training camp and the 778 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: season would be on them, so they just kind of 779 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: relented and gave in. John Middlecoft great, sing you it's 780 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: our Monday morning podcast, Buddy. I don't want to give 781 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: too much away. We'll save some for down the road 782 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. 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