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Speaker 5: That was a very fitting moment because summer, poor, summer summer.
Speaker 1: I'm going to shock you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're gonna tell me you loved it. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, You're gonna literally tell me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shock you. I'm ready, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: As a piece of comedy, I thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of brilliant because Amy, Amy, Amy, what else are they going?
Speaker 1: Here's what Dan Palladino communicated to me as an artist,
Speaker 1: He communicated to me, what else can we do with
Speaker 1: these characters? The story is virtually told, Okay, the storytell
Speaker 1: What do we do with the storytelling? Where do we
Speaker 1: take these characters? It's nine years later, Rory's thirty two.
Speaker 1: The mother daughter thing ain't working no more, right, it's not.
Speaker 1: She's thirty two.
Speaker 2: They have a big fight, so there's always a mother fight.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm talking about the vibe of the show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's just too old now compared to what
Speaker 1: it was. So what are they gonna do?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: Right, Well, clearly they're going to get Sutton Foster a
Speaker 5: show because the who was brilliant?
Speaker 1: Who was that?
Speaker 2: Crollier is great?
Speaker 5: So you can tell that they loved her on bun Heads, right,
Speaker 5: and that Bunheads, for what reason, only goes one season.
Speaker 5: But this episode is so much Sutton Foster that there
Speaker 5: is a moment where you're like, I'm not watching Gilmore
Speaker 5: Girls because I'm literally watching Sutton Foster.
Speaker 2: But here's a Broadway show.
Speaker 1: Here's a thing. By that time, Amy and Dan had
Speaker 1: moved to New York, right, so they were having all
Speaker 1: of these theater experience. I'm sure they were seeing off Broadways.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were seeing if the Wooster group is
Speaker 1: still around, and I don't think. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it is. They're going down to see uh, they're going
Speaker 1: downtown to see experimental theater. There's all kinds of really
Speaker 1: vital live theater going on in that city at any
Speaker 1: given time. They're going to Joe Allen's, They're going to
Speaker 1: hang out with the theater people. They're going to the
Speaker 1: public they're going to that's still around. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it's around.
Speaker 5: They've clearly got Missus Mazel maybe in there, sure their
Speaker 5: gut because there's so many sort of undertones of what
Speaker 5: becomes Missus from this right.
Speaker 1: So here they've got these new relationships or these long
Speaker 1: standing relationships that they want to explore with Sutton and
Speaker 1: other people that pop up in the case.
Speaker 5: There's another Bunhead's actor in this, in the in the
Speaker 5: thirty something group who did go on to also be
Speaker 5: a part of Masel.
Speaker 2: So you see, like, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 1: Right, this is this is a passing of the torch
Speaker 1: in a way to an older generation of Gilmore characters
Speaker 1: and the kind of indecision. It's like the characters were
Speaker 1: having their own midlife crisis, all at the same time,
Speaker 1: and pretty much in the same way. Because everything in
Speaker 1: this episode, the world of Gilmore is falling apart. The
Speaker 1: structure that we knew, it's just all gone. It's falling apart.
Speaker 1: And if it's if it's not gone already, it's it's
Speaker 1: disintegrating before our eyes.
Speaker 2: Can we say evolving?
Speaker 1: Listen, that's a kind word for it. But look, look
Speaker 1: all of all. I wasn't captivated by the beginning. I
Speaker 1: thought this is clunky and it ain't working cool.
Speaker 2: Stuff is just brutal.
Speaker 1: But as a piece of experimental theater, it works and
Speaker 1: it's funny.
Speaker 2: So let's okay talking about the book.
Speaker 1: But we don't recognize the style, the tone, it's different,
Speaker 1: it's all different.
Speaker 5: So I love the fact that we went to the pool,
Speaker 5: right like, oh, that's awesome, something new and stars follow.
Speaker 2: I actually liked you as the lifeguard.
Speaker 5: I thought the bit about the snack shack or whatever
Speaker 5: it was called was actually funny. My beef about the pool,
Speaker 5: which of which there are many, I will.
Speaker 2: Start with two.
Speaker 5: I can't with the shaming, the body shaming. It was
Speaker 5: so inappropriate. They would never do that to Scott, they
Speaker 5: would never do that to a female character.
Speaker 1: It didn't age well. It was rough, but you know what,
Speaker 1: that's what you know, the world changed radically, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that stuff is no longer acceptable.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't true to Rory and Lorelai. They are
Speaker 5: funny and sarcastic.
Speaker 2: They are not mean, and in that they were mean,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, they would never be mean. They're not mean,
Speaker 2: and so that really.
Speaker 1: It's okay. So here here's what it seemed like to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: the first part of this episode, this ninety minutes, I
Speaker 1: break it up into three parts. It was it was,
Speaker 1: you know, it started off kind of sitcom on me
Speaker 1: because everything felt like a sitcom. It felt kind of
Speaker 1: stilted and.
Speaker 2: Sitcom be at a little camp It was kind of.
Speaker 1: Heightened to the point where it's campy and just didn't like,
Speaker 1: it's not real, okay, because you know, you know, especially
Speaker 1: the acting coming out of Alexis at the top of
Speaker 1: this brutal with this, with the Southern bell stuff, just
Speaker 1: it wasn't working okay, But as a stilted sitcom it did,
Speaker 1: so for me. It went from sitcom to like a
Speaker 1: bad sitcom, like a Broadway to you know, sort of
Speaker 1: experimental theater.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Then it turned into a kind of a really compelling
Speaker 1: drama where I felt like Dan really hit his stride
Speaker 1: and he was saying what he wanted to say.
Speaker 2: It got better, I'll give you that lot better.
Speaker 1: A lot change styles. It changed styles throughout. Interesting piece
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yes, yes, it'll be.
Speaker 5: This will probably be one of our most interesting conversations,
Speaker 5: which is why we're starting with just us and then
Speaker 5: later on, you know, everyone's going to join as we
Speaker 5: break it down scene by scene, because I really wanted
Speaker 5: to hear what you thought. Okay, I have so many
Speaker 5: questions for you. First though, did you hate or like
Speaker 5: the musical?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy beyond description? Loved beyond description because it
Speaker 1: made me laugh out several times. I rewound some of
Speaker 1: the great lines coming out of Sutton and the other actor,
Speaker 1: the Broadway actor who was faniastic, and I just I
Speaker 1: roared at the I like, I like where Dan's head
Speaker 1: goes with his with the absurd nature of his comedy
Speaker 1: archives and the way he puts everything together. I just
Speaker 1: I found it hysterically funny. I really did.
Speaker 5: I remember watching it eight years ago and thinking this
Speaker 5: is meanful.
Speaker 2: Why am I watching?
Speaker 5: And I was a fan of Bunhead, so I knew
Speaker 5: I loved Sutton Foster and Bunhead, so I was down
Speaker 5: with Sutton Foster being you know in the show. It
Speaker 5: was way too long. I mean I watched the whole musical.
Speaker 5: It was number after number, and I was lora LILRELI
Speaker 5: is like, what is this garbage?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But what did she? She almost said the effort
Speaker 1: in the top member when Shutton turns around the first
Speaker 1: time and and we cut to Lauren, she goes, what
Speaker 1: the fuh? Okay?
Speaker 2: He was good because she was me. I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this? It just was so long, though, Scott,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: So for me. I could have sat there all night
Speaker 1: and watched what. I loved every moment of that. I
Speaker 1: rewound it and I watched it again. No, I just
Speaker 1: appreciate how difficult it is to act and write something
Speaker 1: and direct something that's supposed to be bad but it's
Speaker 1: actually really entertaining. How are you and make it funny
Speaker 1: like that? That is I mean to me that some
Speaker 1: of the best writing Dan has executed in this entire series.
Speaker 1: It was like, yes, I mean he wrote the lyrics
Speaker 1: to those songs.
Speaker 5: The concept, now, that part's pretty amazing. But yet it's
Speaker 5: so bad and I didn't want it. But like I
Speaker 5: didn't want it.
Speaker 1: I wanted the whole thing to be that. I wish
Speaker 1: the whole thing was that. And I think the absurdity
Speaker 1: of the beginning with the Southern bell stuff got us
Speaker 1: a little lubricated for it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like here it comes.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Of course I shouldn't have said lubricated. That is a
Speaker 1: very bad choice.
Speaker 5: First of all, I think in the first part of
Speaker 5: the show, they're at the pool and they're still sort
Speaker 5: of themselves. I think it's when we go back to
Speaker 5: the pool that they're like the Southern bells with the
Speaker 5: two kids. That was weird too, the two kids like
Speaker 5: holding the umbrellas and opening their drinks and like marching
Speaker 5: them through town.
Speaker 2: It was just extraordinarily bizarre.
Speaker 1: But what I liked about it is that is that
Speaker 1: Dan Okay, Dan had an idea. He went to the
Speaker 1: end of that idea. It's like a choice that you
Speaker 1: make in acting. If you're going to make a choice,
Speaker 1: go to the end of it. Commit to it, and
Speaker 1: that's what I appreciate. This is what I appreciated so
Speaker 1: much about this episode is that that Dan committed to
Speaker 1: the vision and sometimes it didn't work so well and
Speaker 1: other times it worked beautifully. And I love risk taking
Speaker 1: in art because that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2: And it's terrible. Though it's terrible, it's not okay, So
Speaker 2: let's talk about a few more of.
Speaker 1: Art. It was. It was courageous and oftentimes brilliant.
Speaker 5: A couple of notes about the top. So we do
Speaker 5: see that Laurels reading Wild. We see that Laurel is
Speaker 5: reading Wild.
Speaker 1: Yes, we see that.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, I hate the whole Wild thing. I
Speaker 2: hate that She's like, I'm going to do wild? Do Wild?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: So? So that just and so that's my cringe on
Speaker 2: the next episode.
Speaker 1: I just think that's Dan and Amy. Look, you got
Speaker 1: to break everything apart to put it back all together again, right,
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's true. Storytell let's let's let's give you know,
Speaker 1: the audience the fear of death, that these characters are
Speaker 1: going away, and Michelle's going away, Suki's not there, everybody's
Speaker 1: losing their minds and Logan's history and they break up
Speaker 1: and it's all just coming apart at and Laurel. I
Speaker 1: won't give permission for Rory to write the book, and.
Speaker 2: It's we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: I mean it was. And you know Emily, Emily's got
Speaker 1: a new boyfriend and everybody's freaking out, and Louis, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You make a great point, right, this is the crumbling. Okay,
Speaker 5: So let's talk about a few things. First of all,
Speaker 5: I felt Jess Milow was totally underutilized in this episode.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it was. It was. It was an odd scene
Speaker 1: because and I know we're jumping around, but the thing
Speaker 1: that really jumped out at me is keep going jump around.
Speaker 1: They haven't seen each other in four years and she
Speaker 1: doesn't even get up to give him a hug.
Speaker 2: This was bizarre and reveal. I love that he suddenly
Speaker 2: is revealed, but.
Speaker 1: Where's the like, hey, friend, where's the hug?
Speaker 2: Well, and first of all, she loves him. The last
Speaker 2: we left off, she loved him so like, yeah's hug,
Speaker 2: where's the connection? That was so odd?
Speaker 1: It was and the scene itself was so awkward.
Speaker 2: And also the stars Alow Gazette is a cool thing. Right,
Speaker 2: it's always been a cool paper.
Speaker 5: There's no way like three one hundred year olds are
Speaker 5: working at the stars like the paper was cool, So
Speaker 5: it's like.
Speaker 2: Make it a little bit more cool.
Speaker 5: I do love the idea that to me, there was
Speaker 5: something there there, right, like, oh, she's going to go
Speaker 5: and run the paper and let's see what happens from that.
Speaker 2: Like, don't make it so lame anyway.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing about the rory is she's drinking like
Speaker 1: a fish. Every time you turn around, she's pouring another
Speaker 1: glass of whiskey for it herself. So these are characters
Speaker 1: we don't recognize anymore. They're going into places we don't
Speaker 1: want them to go, right, And that's part of the
Speaker 1: brilliance of it, because, man, are you're really deconstructing this
Speaker 1: show you're putting in this I mean that theater, those
Speaker 1: theater numbers were better by a magnitude than any film
Speaker 1: by Kirk and the only Apples and Oranges. That's Apples
Speaker 1: and Oranges. Well, listen, it just the amount of rehearsal
Speaker 1: that took, the years and years and years of practice
Speaker 1: from Sutton to get to that point.
Speaker 5: Fact you're coming at it from a different perspective, right,
Speaker 5: you're looking at as like this amazing production, and Dan
Speaker 5: wrote a full musical within a Gilmore Girls episode, and
Speaker 5: Sutton Foster is amazing. All of that is true. For me,
Speaker 5: it was just like, what am I watching? This is
Speaker 5: not Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 2: I don't like this. I'm totally bored by twenty minutes
Speaker 2: of a music.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that Amy and Dan felt the same
Speaker 1: way nine years later. They're artists, they're creating new things.
Speaker 1: They want to do new things, they want to challenge
Speaker 1: themselves to do new and go in different areas. Now
Speaker 1: they're doing this. They agreed to do it. So the
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to keep them interested in doing
Speaker 1: it is to experiment with these characters and see what
Speaker 1: they can do with these characters. Now, we may or
Speaker 1: may not agree or like what happened to some of
Speaker 1: the characters some of the times, but we're talking about Summer,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about two writers who are talented beyond belief,
Speaker 1: who were pretty much given free reign, and I think
Speaker 1: they took it right up to the limit where you know,
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers or Netflix is going to say or start
Speaker 1: giving notes again and saying you guys, are going over
Speaker 1: the line here, we can't accept this kind of writing.
Speaker 1: And I think they took it right up to the
Speaker 1: edge about where they could get away with. I don't
Speaker 1: really know how much autonomy they had. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: had a lot, and that was part of their deal.
Speaker 2: Like Netflix would have let them do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of I'm kind of in that camp
Speaker 1: as well. And I think they just had they wrote
Speaker 1: the pieces that interested them and expressed the characters expressed.
Speaker 1: They expressed themselves to their characters the way they wanted
Speaker 1: to do it and what they wanted to say, characters
Speaker 1: that they felt were underdeveloped, like Paris maybe a little bit.
Speaker 1: And let's see, And isn't she going to be more
Speaker 1: fun to write for nine years later than than than Rory? Right?
Speaker 1: Or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So there's they think they're definitely struggling with what to
Speaker 5: do with Rory.
Speaker 1: Well there's not What can you do?
Speaker 2: Right, It's just like a mess. It's kind of a mess.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, you could have done a lot of things.
Speaker 5: Have her be with Logan, that was some that would
Speaker 5: have been an option. I don't know, have her be
Speaker 5: with Logan.
Speaker 1: Now I understand why they did what they did, because
Speaker 1: there's no way after how many reunit union movies or
Speaker 1: TV films have you seen that are so dead on
Speaker 1: with what they used to do, trying to mimic what
Speaker 1: used to be, and the characters are twenty years older,
Speaker 1: they're ten years older, and it just doesn't work, and
Speaker 1: it's a really lame attempt. At least they attempted something different,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They showed artistic courage, They
Speaker 1: went to the integree in some of these characters.
Speaker 2: It brings to mind what they did with Sex and the.
Speaker 5: City, because you're the reboot is very, very different than
Speaker 5: the original, and a lot of people were like shook
Speaker 5: up by that, But I think you're correct and that
Speaker 5: it really doesn't work if you don't evolve it in
Speaker 5: some way. That being said, okay, let's sort of talk
Speaker 5: a little bit more. First of all, the logan stuff,
Speaker 5: it's compelling, but it's also like just a it's just
Speaker 5: you're right, it's so it's sort of heartbreaking and crumbling
Speaker 5: and messy.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a guy who made a choice and he
Speaker 1: put it all out there on the line, and he
Speaker 1: got rejected and he moved on with his life and.
Speaker 5: What do you think about the fact that he wants
Speaker 5: to fully have an affair with Rory.
Speaker 2: He's like, nothing has to change.
Speaker 1: They're in love. What's wrong with Yeah, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's just also mess It's but you know, do we
Speaker 1: want to sit around and watch morality all day? No?
Speaker 5: I've enjoying that storyline a lot. And actually, I will
Speaker 5: tease that my favorite part of the entire four movies
Speaker 5: is coming in the next episode with Logan anyway, But
Speaker 5: it's just messy.
Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking. Rory is a mess, right.
Speaker 5: I did find it though in the in the opening
Speaker 5: scene when everyone's like, welcome back, welcome back.
Speaker 2: I'm not back. I'm not back, like you're back.
Speaker 1: Rory, and yeah, that got a little old they went.
Speaker 2: I still found that amusing.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first three scenes it was all about
Speaker 1: I'm back, I'm not back, I'm not back. Okay, we
Speaker 1: got it, we got it.
Speaker 2: Right, and then so what did you Okay, so let's
Speaker 2: talk about April. So April, what do you think about.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
Speaker 2: You know, look again again, I think she's free.
Speaker 1: Great, she's great, she's awesome actress, her comedic timing, is great.
Speaker 1: She was funny. Her freak out in the bedroom again,
Speaker 1: it was like, this is where they're taking this character.
Speaker 1: This is a little it still doesn't feel. It's odd
Speaker 1: to see these characters who are so good at wearing
Speaker 1: that mask in life but then sort of being loose
Speaker 1: and free around each other. Everybody seems to be breaking down.
Speaker 1: It's like all of a sudden, she's in a room
Speaker 1: and she comes in. She confesses, I didn't smoke pod.
Speaker 1: I tried it once and.
Speaker 5: This is the episode. Okay, so you know how to right,
Speaker 5: you know how in a rom comm it's like.
Speaker 2: Oh, here's our pretty cool couple and we love them.
Speaker 5: And then always in act to you like there's a
Speaker 5: catastrophe and there they're torn apart, you know, and then
Speaker 5: the third act is like will they find their.
Speaker 2: Way back to each other? Of course they do.
Speaker 5: We are in the crumbling here, right, because Rory's crumbling,
Speaker 5: lorelies really crumbling, Emily's crumbling. Logan is not crumbling, but
Speaker 5: Logan and Rory are crumbling. April is sort of going
Speaker 5: through her thing. You're pretty steady in that you're not
Speaker 5: falling apart, but everything's sort of falling apart around you.
Speaker 2: So this is the.
Speaker 5: Episode if you looked at it holistically, of the four,
Speaker 5: this is definitely like the plummet I think.
Speaker 2: How you watch it too, Like.
Speaker 5: I think maybe there was so much plummeting in this,
Speaker 5: Like I really wanted Milo to be to suggest to say,
Speaker 5: why did you drop out of Yale? You know what
Speaker 5: I mean, like that kind of thing, like what are
Speaker 5: you doing here?
Speaker 1: Like i'n't really thinking. I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: that needed three or four scenes in of those two
Speaker 1: having intimate conversations.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. Why did we not get that
Speaker 2: we got we.
Speaker 1: Can't we can't get that right away in some superficial
Speaker 1: one scene and they're drinking and thanks for lunch and
Speaker 1: you know, and then he goes and tosses Luke's hat
Speaker 1: off his head. It just it it was just an
Speaker 1: appearance to to you know, it was a cameo, that's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just a cameo. It wasn't developed. They didn't,
Speaker 1: I get. I don't know if they wrote anything. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I do remember doing more scenes with him
Speaker 1: in this. I guess that's in the last one.
Speaker 5: So so we're only focusing on it, right now with
Speaker 5: what we've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they just want to introduce them and you know,
Speaker 1: reintroduce them and all that. But yeah, again, I will
Speaker 1: say this again as separate it from think about it
Speaker 1: like it's the first time you've ever seen been exposed
Speaker 1: to the show. You haven't seen any episodes, you haven't
Speaker 1: seen any of the series. You just flipped it on
Speaker 1: and here's this thing and you're watching it. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it stands on its own, It can stand up
Speaker 1: by itself as a really good piece of comedy. And
Speaker 1: there's some really great drama in there. And if you
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on, if you didn't have
Speaker 1: any idea what was happening with these characters prior and
Speaker 1: you turn this on, you would be entertained.
Speaker 5: It would be saying you have you watched Fall and
Speaker 5: Winter or are you literally just watching Summer as a
Speaker 5: solo episode?
Speaker 1: Just like flipping around rando, there you go, boom, Oh
Speaker 1: what's this? Yeah I heard about this show. Let's see
Speaker 1: let's see Summer. Boom. And you know, you watch it
Speaker 1: with your friends or your your wife or your husband
Speaker 1: or whomever, and it's entertaining as hell.
Speaker 2: Man, I stop judging it.
Speaker 1: Against the series because it's not fair and it makes.
Speaker 5: Me nice, and I'm fully judging it against the series
Speaker 5: and the characters, and I'm watching like people I know
Speaker 5: and that are my people, like love, and I'm just like,
Speaker 5: what is happening? I mean, you're right in that this
Speaker 5: is that part where everything falls apart, because even Michelle
Speaker 5: leaving and obviously that's upsetting to Lorlai, and Emily's going
Speaker 5: through so many changes, and like.
Speaker 1: Look, there's a natural inclination for any fan base or
Speaker 1: for anybody right to reject something that isn't familiar to them.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when Sylvester Stallone wanted to your drama
Speaker 1: and people were like no. His agents are like, no,
Speaker 1: don't do that, Please, don't do that. And he wanted
Speaker 1: to work with Robert de Niro. So he did that
Speaker 1: film with Robert de Niro and he was really great
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: By the way, you can argue Rocky as a drama
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's that's that's a you know, playing
Speaker 1: the hero character, playing you know, the formulaic type of
Speaker 1: film where the hero wins and he goes through all
Speaker 1: the struggles of hell, and you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like the fan base doesn't want to see
Speaker 1: these characters in unfamiliar settings, which this whole thing was
Speaker 1: unfamiliar settings and acting in unfamiliar ways. They don't want
Speaker 1: to see if they don't want to accept it. I
Speaker 1: get that. I just wanted to. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: enjoy my hour and a half and not judge it
Speaker 1: against the series. And it was very freeing and very liberating,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed the hell out of it. So I
Speaker 1: would ask fans to go back and watch it in
Speaker 1: that context and see if you can get something out
Speaker 1: of it, just for it's hard to forget about these
Speaker 1: characters and what came before. Just try to say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give us a chance, this is my virgin
Speaker 1: view of it, and enjoy it, because I did. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed this ride.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if I could have watched it
Speaker 5: and just been like, I just think it's impossible to
Speaker 5: not care about these characters.
Speaker 2: I care about it.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I guess you've done that.
Speaker 1: I've let it go, and I don't want to place
Speaker 1: judgment on I want. I want. What's thrilling to me
Speaker 1: is an artist taking chances, and Dan took a lot
Speaker 1: of chances in this. He risked everything and I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I think that takes a lot of courage and
Speaker 1: a lot of creative energy. And I think that the
Speaker 1: end result for me was, Wow, what a pair of
Speaker 1: balls on this guy? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, yeah, But I did not get that same
Speaker 5: thing because I'm not like wow, I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I just watched twenty minutes of Sutton Foster, and I
Speaker 5: like Sutton Foster. I love Younger. I didn't particularly love
Speaker 5: her in this. I loved her and bun Heads Turn Younger.
Speaker 1: She had a great scene with Laurla waiting for her outside.
Speaker 2: The Smoke's fantastic.
Speaker 1: She's a great actress. You could see you could see
Speaker 1: how good an actress she is in that scene, and
Speaker 1: you can see how good a singer and dancer she is.
Speaker 1: And she's funny as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course she's all those things.
Speaker 1: But I didn't She's like, she's like a triple threat singing, dancing, acting.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like those are rare, and I now
Speaker 1: I can see why Amy Once is writing a whole
Speaker 1: Broadway show for her.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: She's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yes, she totally is. She's she is.
Speaker 1: The art form itself as a way to deliver comedy
Speaker 1: is probably unmatched. Okay. It's hype in theater with music
Speaker 1: and and the and and the historical perspective and and
Speaker 1: the comedy injected into Dan's writing, and these songs and
Speaker 1: these lyrics in this show had me in stitches. I
Speaker 1: mean I was roaring with laughter.
Speaker 5: I think this was the like beta test for what
Speaker 5: they did with Missus Mazel, because I actually think that
Speaker 5: is brilliant and they did get it right. This just
Speaker 5: feels all kinds of weird to me.
Speaker 1: You know what it is? Dan's an iconoclast. I think
Speaker 1: at their soul at heart, Amy and Dan aren't iconoclasts, Okay, And.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what that word means. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie, I don't really know what that word means.
Speaker 2: Does that work mean.
Speaker 1: They like to tear down idols?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?
Speaker 1: Icons? Right, they're iconoclastic?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean you see that in some
Speaker 5: of the pop culture too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that's what that's what it is. It's got
Speaker 1: that edge in that bite.
Speaker 2: That is what.
Speaker 5: I think they missed it a hint on this because
Speaker 5: the pool scenes are mean.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit too mean. So yes, I get it,
Speaker 2: they tried it could kind of be funny.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I get And nobody else has a right
Speaker 1: to deconstruct or tear down monuments unless they created them.
Speaker 1: And they created them. Okay, they created them, and now
Speaker 1: they're just trying to find other dimensions of this show
Speaker 1: to explore with these characters, other dimensions of these characters
Speaker 1: to explore, and they just did their thing. It might
Speaker 1: have pissed me off a little bit, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: Luke dumb down like that.
Speaker 2: They tried that brings us to that Luke.
Speaker 1: At least they tried something. They tried something.
Speaker 2: What did you feel about Luke in this episode?
Speaker 1: I thought he was Luke.
Speaker 2: I thought it was Yeah, he was wasted a little bit.
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel like there was enough. It was
Speaker 2: just not enough for me.
Speaker 5: I was sort of like, he's just sort of bouncing
Speaker 5: off Laura is sort of imploding.
Speaker 1: But if they're if Amy and Dan or Dan are
Speaker 1: are not inspired to write for Luke in summer, how
Speaker 1: can that You can't force them to do it? Nobody
Speaker 1: can force them to do it. They wanted to write
Speaker 1: or Dan wanted to write for Sutton Foster, he wanted
Speaker 1: to write for Laurla. He wanted to write, you know,
Speaker 1: the focus is on these uh again.
Speaker 2: Is pretty much still Laurel.
Speaker 1: I right, it's the generations, right, it's it's grandma and
Speaker 1: mother and daughter's that's what they're focusing.
Speaker 5: Yes, that is correct, and I'm okay with that. I
Speaker 5: don't mind seeing Emily's journey. I actually was not as
Speaker 5: off put by Emily having the sort of boyfriend, and
Speaker 5: I actually enjoyed them imploding about it because LOURAI, because
Speaker 5: that is what she would do, That is what a
Speaker 5: daughter would do.
Speaker 2: It feels a little too soon. It's like, oh God,
Speaker 2: what's happening.
Speaker 5: Your whole life's disrupted, which is also why she's imploding.
Speaker 5: Like she's not just imploding over like Michelle leaving or Luke.
Speaker 2: It's all of it.
Speaker 5: It's losing her father, it's a relationship with her mother,
Speaker 5: it's Rory, Like I don't I frankly think she's super
Speaker 5: concerned that, Like Rory's so not finding her way right,
Speaker 5: like Rory's coming home, Like even how calm she is
Speaker 5: about the logan thing.
Speaker 2: It's like she's just sort of like shutting down.
Speaker 1: The bigger the obstacle, the more thrilling it is to
Speaker 1: watch somebody come back from it, right.
Speaker 5: So we're so is your intention by saying that, like
Speaker 5: we're gearing up for the finale, which will be Fall,
Speaker 5: and we kind of had to have this to get
Speaker 5: to Fall.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's right, because it's for them. It's a four
Speaker 1: part opus, right, it's.
Speaker 2: Four parts for them, right right, right.
Speaker 1: And they have to get to the end of it.
Speaker 5: Do you think the way to watch this, if someone could,
Speaker 5: would be to take six hours and just sit there
Speaker 5: and watch it as a whole, because is the problem
Speaker 5: like that we went away for a week and then
Speaker 5: I watched Summer and I'm like, eh, which is like
Speaker 5: because it was bingeable, right, So I bet you super
Speaker 5: fans just cranked it out like it was one big
Speaker 5: six hour marathon.
Speaker 1: M you know. Yeah. I mean, if you go to
Speaker 1: see Beethoven's Ninth, you don't leave, and then tomorrow we'll
Speaker 1: come back and we'll hear the coral part of it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot, that's a big chunk. It's
Speaker 1: six hours a big chunk of time. But I mean
Speaker 1: people do it, and they did it on this. They
Speaker 1: binged this. Six hours was nothing to them because they'd
Speaker 1: binge it for you know.
Speaker 5: I bet you a lot of people match hours at
Speaker 5: a time sharp, yeah, or over two days. They might
Speaker 5: have watched three hours on Saturday, three hours on Sunday,
Speaker 5: and they had the whole thing. I think I watched
Speaker 5: it fairly quickly. I didn't take a lot of time
Speaker 5: when I watched it the first time. I'm taking more
Speaker 5: time this time, which may be why summer.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and I think if I ever
Speaker 1: find six hours that I can afford, I will sit
Speaker 1: down and watch this back to back, just because I'm fascinated.
Speaker 2: It, right, Because then you really, I'm really.
Speaker 1: Fascinated with it now, because look, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, Amy and Dan have to entertain themselves. If
Speaker 1: they don't like it, if they're not engaged, if they're
Speaker 1: not passionate about what they're putting down on the page,
Speaker 1: you ain't going to make it on the page. And
Speaker 1: this is what made it on the page, right, This
Speaker 1: is what they wanted to say, and I respect it.
Speaker 1: I and I just think you get to see you
Speaker 1: get to see why the show was so great in
Speaker 1: the series because of the talent.
Speaker 2: They're so clever.
Speaker 5: I respect you respecting it, like I like that you
Speaker 5: like it I and it's making any sort of question things,
Speaker 5: but I still am going to stay strong on this
Speaker 5: is not my favorite.
Speaker 2: Like it's mean.
Speaker 5: I do not like I don't know why they're acting
Speaker 5: like Southern bells with like two children, Like that's weird
Speaker 5: walking through town, it's weird.
Speaker 2: The meanness.
Speaker 5: It was not crazy about the the Milo I was
Speaker 5: not crazy about and that the Broadway Show or Stars
Speaker 5: Hollow Show was so long, and I like Lorali was
Speaker 5: like I don't get it, Like I didn't get it
Speaker 5: at all. I was like, I don't even understand what
Speaker 5: this is. Like if I pretend I just watched only
Speaker 5: Sutton Foster, I would be like, I totally I don't
Speaker 5: even know what that was about, Like what was that about.
Speaker 1: It was the history of Stars Hollow and Song, and
Speaker 1: it was Pilgrims, and then it was the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 1: and then it was the Industrial Lege and then it
Speaker 1: was the seventies. It was fantastic. I didn't follow so great.
Speaker 1: It was so wacky and great. I was so happy.
Speaker 2: I did love that, Laurel. I didn't like it, and
Speaker 2: everyone else loved it, and I know, I know that
Speaker 2: it is kind of amusing, but I didn't get it.
Speaker 5: I am lorrili because I was like, I don't I
Speaker 5: don't even understand what's happening.
Speaker 2: What is this so bad?
Speaker 1: Bad?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, no, come on? Some of those lines in there
Speaker 1: that they were brother and sister and.
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. I couldn't even really follow it.
Speaker 1: And it's not illegal yet.
Speaker 5: I didn't follow any of this. You're smarter than me
Speaker 5: because I was so like, I don't get it. I
Speaker 5: couldn't even really hear it. I was like, I don't
Speaker 5: understand what they're talking about. I'm not following a story.
Speaker 5: I'm not getting a storyline. I'm not even I couldn't
Speaker 5: tell you what was in any of those songs.
Speaker 1: Listen. There's nothing funnier than bad poetry and a context
Speaker 1: or a bad song. Remember, remember Okay. This reminded me
Speaker 1: of that film Arthur where Dudley Moore falls in love
Speaker 1: with Derek and in order to find out where bo
Speaker 1: Derek went on her honeymoon, Yeah, he visits the priest.
Speaker 2: I remember that I've been you know.
Speaker 1: And Dudley Moore places a hit songwriter right and and
Speaker 1: the priest gets all excited. He goes, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit of a writer. He sings in that song
Speaker 1: like my heart is a thumping thing.
Speaker 2: You're into you like this stuff? This is all I
Speaker 2: can tell you.
Speaker 5: I've watched this now twice and the only takeaway I
Speaker 5: get from the Broadway show is sort of sutt and
Speaker 5: Foster like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm
Speaker 5: sudden Foster, like that's all I see here, Like nothing
Speaker 5: lands on me other than like more sudden Foster.
Speaker 1: But can you listen to the lyrics of the songs?
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear it. And I don't mean I couldn't
Speaker 2: hear it like my ears work. I couldn't hear it.
Speaker 1: Like I just was like, I don't go back and
Speaker 1: just watch that stuff again and listen to the lyrics
Speaker 1: of the song.
Speaker 2: I'll try, I'll try Miracle.
Speaker 5: I was pleasantly surprised by the therapist being a good singer.
Speaker 5: That was random, the therapist and the one. Okay, so
Speaker 5: all right, so so enough for today, So everybody listening,
Speaker 5: We're gonna continue by bringing in the crew in the
Speaker 5: next episode, and and we'll break it down see by scene.
Speaker 2: But I just felt like it was so bizarre. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: Scott take us Out was some bad song.
Speaker 1: I appreciate him.
Speaker 2: Valatino, I didn't get it at all, experimenting around when
Speaker 2: these characters we love so much. All I saw was
Speaker 2: Sutton Foster.
Speaker 1: Come wake me up now? Why such a mess?
Speaker 2: Why won't loget and break up with the fiance and
Speaker 2: marry my girl?
Speaker 5: Why is Loralai doing wild? Nothing is more annoying to me.
Speaker 1: Amy's still confused.
Speaker 2: She don't know what. I'm just up. I did not
Speaker 2: get it at all.
Speaker 1: Come on, help me lo, help me raise an so
Speaker 1: she can see the last.
Speaker 5: Am I super stupid because I did not get it
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 2: It's not stupid, will listeners, It's just.
Speaker 1: You weren't in the mood and we gotta wait.
Speaker 2: Haven't been in the mood at whiskey.
Speaker 6: To us.
Speaker 5: I do think Emily's boyfriend is kind of cute.
Speaker 2: What boyfriend, dude that drives the mercedes. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's her boyfriend. He's great, he's great. No, I
Speaker 2: like that guy.
Speaker 1: And there's a funny bit between them when they got
Speaker 1: to the funeral and and Lord and they were walking.
Speaker 1: Ray's gonna stay in the car, and.
Speaker 5: It was fune, can you sing us out? Send your
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