1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's the man, the myth, 4 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: the legend, the rumors are true. He's here with us today. 5 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Give it up from Mr Max Williams and they called 6 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are starting with this part two episode 7 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: in media rests the fancy phrases in the middle of 8 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: the story and cannot wait for you to hear nol 9 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: take it away with smoke signals, which are a very 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: real thing, as will come to find without further or 11 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: do let's dive in. It's gotta be fun, y'all. Nowadays, 12 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us when we see smoke, 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: we assume something has gone wrong, right like whenever we're 14 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: you know, we've all lived in Atlanta for some time, 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: and news of a fire spreads really quickly because everybody 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: can see the smoke. But for our second, weird way 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: people used to communicate, I don't even know if this 18 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: weird so much as ingenious. Uh no, you you kicked 19 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: it with some some smoke signals? Have you ever like? Okay, 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I've seen them mentioned in fiction. I think we all 21 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: have right, and sometimes like there's like a fire and 22 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: there's like a blanket. Yep, that's right, Okay, the dot 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: dash situation, well, there's a couple of different ways, okay. 24 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: But the thing that I found interesting about it is 25 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: that it's a lot older than I would have thought, 26 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: because it's usually associated with like kind of Native American cultures, 27 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: but often in kind of a weird way. I mean, 28 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, what are you communicating with smoke signals? 29 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: As if that's some like ludye like antiquated way of 30 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: communicating because you're too stupid to use a telephone or 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: Something's usually the connotation. But it's actually super smart because 32 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: these you know, um, Native American cultures, Northern American Native 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: tribes would actually use these bonfires to communicate super complex 34 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: like coded messages. Have you ever heard of like was 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: it the code talkers wind talkers? Excuse me? So basically 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: like that was a group of Native American UH soldiers 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: with the American heritage that essentially used some of these 38 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: old coding and cipher devices to create codes that were 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: used by the U. S. Army very very effectively. Um, 40 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: this was against the Germans. If I'm not mistaken in 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: the Japanese correct Vietnam exactly. So you know, there were 42 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of ciphers built into these, you know, series of 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: let's say it's one puff equals one thing, two puffs, 44 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: three puffs. Elevation mattered, so you do it on like 45 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: a sloping hill, and it came from higher up that 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: meant one thing, middle meant something else, down low meant 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: something else. And you could do because it's obviously visible 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: to anybody around, but it would be such that only 49 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: the communicator and the receiver would know what it actually was. 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: You might have a sense that there's communication going on, 51 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: but because it's essentially encrypted, no one could actually suss 52 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: out and what they what they meant. But it actually 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: goes back to um ancient Chinese times. UM when you know, 54 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: along the Great Wall there were these guard towers where 55 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: these signal fires essentially were they were colored smoke, and 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: they have the color would determine the size of the 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: invading party. Um. They were sort of space in such 58 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: a way that for like hundreds of kilometers, people you know, 59 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: could see them from the internal castles that the Great 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: Wall protected. They would know they needed to like get 61 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: their troops ready to go for invading parties. UM. And 62 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: also you know along the the wall, which was you know, 63 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: it's like so large you can see it from like space. UM. 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: They needed to have an effective way of communicating very quickly. 65 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: So again it's about covering distance effectively and with enough 66 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: specificity to know what you're actually supposed to do. Back 67 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: as early as the second century BC, a Greek historian 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: of all people named Polybius, which is a great name, 69 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: he invented a method that essentially was like a precursor 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: to the telegraph UM, but like a two thousand years 71 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: before that was ever even envisioned. UM. He created a 72 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: series of coded messages that were communicated through these five 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: beacons that were also along these two walls. There's these 74 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of observation points and you could light a specific 75 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: number of beacons on each wall. UH. And then the 76 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: Greek alphabet were encoded UM into a series of you know, 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: puffs or whatever it might be, or flashes kind of 78 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: so it really was like early Morse code essentially UM. 79 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was. It was absolutely super super effective, 80 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: and UM was able to communicate very specific messages, you know, 81 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: from from quite far away. As early as the second 82 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: century I mean it's kind of nuts. That's crazy because 83 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: that it's uh transcontinental as well, that multiple cultures who 84 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: may not have been in contact with each other all 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: figured this out. This is so impressive. It's a species 86 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: full of mc divers, you know what I mean. It 87 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: makes sense though, right, because it's it's something that everyone, 88 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, we all kind of have access to fire 89 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: ever since it was it was a prometheus, the fire, 90 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: and Prometheus brought the fire of the gods, brought the 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: fire of the guests. So but that's what like, you know, 92 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: fire is considered one of the great innovations technology, right 93 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: that we still harnessed today. So it was something that 94 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: everyone had to use to cook their food. It's sort 95 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: of like signaled this like next level of human evolution 96 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: only because we were able to you know, convert proteins 97 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: to be more nourishing to our bodies, but also use 98 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: it as technology to you know, decimate our enemies and 99 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: like burned down whole swaths of you know the world, 100 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: but also like you know, communicate using puffs of smoke, 101 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. Um. So a lot of 102 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: that stuff came from a really cool article from the 103 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: Davidson Institute, the educational arm of the Wiseman Institute of 104 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: Science Education. UM. And there's an article there by Dr 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: You're not escher uh called where there's smoke, There's a 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: message UM. So highly recommend checking that out because it 107 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: actually goes into a lot of what you were talking about, Bill. 108 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: It goes into some other kind of like signal fires. 109 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: Another early use of smoke signals that we still see today, 110 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: more ritualistic than anything. But the Vatican when they you know, 111 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: it's the white smoke means they did a good job, 112 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: and the black means they had to hold out because 113 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: they do these secret ballads. Was the cardinals, I guess, 114 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: from all the different regions common and assemble and they 115 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: do the vote, and sometimes they can be stymied, like 116 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: almost like a hung jury for a long time. And 117 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: so everyone's waiting with bated breath to see and the 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: black smoke comes out and collective grown and the white 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: comes out and collective ecstasy because we've got a new 120 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: weird god conduit. I like that. I like that idea 121 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: because that's I love that example because I was thinking 122 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: the whole time. I was like, what if Mark and 123 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Bill and Max and Nolan and I go camping and 124 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: we get separated and won't be able to say, wait, 125 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: we remember how to do smoke signals? Right. I was 126 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: like that would come in handy. But now you you've 127 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: provided probably the best modern example of how this communication 128 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: carries on. And I wonder if they'll ever No, they 129 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: won't change it. The Catholic Church. Anything Catholic Church is 130 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of traditional. It takes kind of a lot. The 131 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: Catholic Church moves slower than like governments, you know, and 132 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: that's saying a lot. But yeah, no, it's it's neat. 133 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: I would say that this is much more of a ritual, 134 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of like tradition than it is like 135 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: a functional thing. But um, speaking of functional examples, I'm 136 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: gonna pull out the old Wikipedia here. I don't usually, 137 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: but I will because it has some really neat examples 138 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: of some specific uses of smoke signals and different cultures, uh, 139 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: Native American culture. Lewis and Clark, in their journals, they 140 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: often you know, made notes of observing these ways Native 141 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Americans were using um, smokesicles to communicate, and they actually 142 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: adopted some of these themselves to communicate other tribes about, 143 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, whether they were there, you know, the presence 144 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: of their party and the idea they wanted to meet 145 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: with local tribes because they need to communicate using the 146 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: tools that they were comfortable with in order to seem 147 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: like a friendly kind of friendly you know, force there 148 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: because they weren't there to conquer. There were more there 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: to like hang out, check things out, and then give 150 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: that information to other people to then conquer later, you know. 151 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: But they didn't talk about UM in the Yamanas culture 152 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: of South America. This is super interesting Magellan, you know, 153 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: and he was exploring UM, he often would see these fires. 154 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: They would actually like light whole swaths of like fields 155 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: on fire. Probably not the best way of doing this, 156 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, not so contained literally just like forest fires, 157 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: not particularly controlled. UM. But to the point where Magellan 158 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: actually in his writing referred to some of the areas 159 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: that he was exploring as Tierra del Fuego, which would 160 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: mean like the land of fire. UM. And uh, people's 161 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: attention well more of a flex like like I like, hey, 162 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: we're coming for you. That would seem like an active aggression. 163 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: That might be a way because I'm struggling with having 164 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: people who need to feel the need to talk to 165 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: me and all the all times, all hours of the day, 166 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: different time zones and so on. So what do you 167 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: think we could get away with saying something like, hey, 168 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: we can only be communicated with through fire? Yeah, okay, 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: Well I think the issue there though, is like you 170 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: gotta be looking in the right direction. You're not just 171 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: gonna accidentally see hopefully. You know, it always happens in movies, right, 172 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: like they just oh, what's that? Come on? You aren't 173 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna have been right there to say the thing the 174 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: moment the person in desperate need of rescuing build up 175 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: unless you figured it out in advance, right, which when 176 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: does that happen? It reminds me too, like for example, 177 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, in the Lord of the Rings films, they've 178 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: got the signal fires with between Gondor and whatever else 179 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: nerdy imaginary the beacon of I don't know, the king 180 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: has returned, and then we'll in the movie five times. 181 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: But you know, there are some issues around that. The fires, 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: because they were literally fires, so they would have to 183 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: be maintained, you know, and to to be the right 184 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: you know level if we would actually notice them, and 185 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: what if it was like raining when they needed to 186 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: use them, or like snowing or something with the smoke signals. 187 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: It can be like a low fire and you're literally 188 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: just generating the smoke. We mentioned it sort of at 189 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: the top. You use essentially just a blanket or anything, 190 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: and you just go one flap and then that kind 191 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: of billows one up in another flap and then it 192 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: like you know, it'll create these little puffs. There is tension. 193 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: I like that because that's like, that's so humanity always 194 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: had that equivalent of seeing those three little dots on 195 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: the text, right, like is that what do you think? 196 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: I think? Um, But it's true, man, it's it's again. 197 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: Fire is the ultimate technology. We still use it today 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: for like engines and so many of the things that 199 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: drive no pun intended like ore you know, society, UM 200 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: still working with combustible engines and things that's literally fire 201 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: is the prime mover in those So these are just 202 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: early examples of how that technology was harnessed for communication. 203 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know as far as the takeaway, I mean, 204 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: I think that was it. It's just like anything can 205 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: be technology and can be you know, with enough moxie 206 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: and stick to itiveness and a little bit of you know, 207 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: know how, and the clever idea can be funneled into 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: something game changing, you know, and that parallel thinking that 209 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: we always see in history, whether it be with religions 210 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: or use of technology, that's that's the same game deal. 211 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: We're all humans, we all have similar equipment, you know, 212 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: whatever our language barriers and like upbringing in background are. 213 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: So it makes sense that like lots of cultures would 214 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: have simultaneously kind of figured this out. Honestly, we're all 215 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: We've only touched on pigeons and smoke signals, and I'm 216 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: already way more impressed with the ancient world, you know 217 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I fell asleep put it on 218 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: a pair of pants like two weeks ago, and so 219 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: like I feel like I'm the chihuahua looking back at 220 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: the ancestry of wolves, you know what I mean. So 221 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: we we have okay, so we have these smoke signals, 222 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: which were brilliant. No, you described as parallel um parallel thinking, 223 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: which is I think absolutely true. Of what do you 224 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: do with this is something we talked about just very 225 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: briefly off air, and maybe we throw to you for this, 226 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: Mark Uh. You mentioned the idea of messages in a bottle, 227 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: which could also potentially communicate over great distances. Uh. Not 228 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: only came here for you and I talked about this 229 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: off air, but one of my one of my first 230 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: initial questions was, I love this idea because I've wondered 231 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: if it's true or if it's just like a thing 232 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: that happens in adventure films and romantic comedies, far side 233 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: comics and far side comics. Yes. Yeah, well, uh, Ben, 234 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, messages and bottles, it's been around for thousands 235 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: of years. But you also are right and that there's 236 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: a lot of hoaxes surrounding messages in bottles, and it's 237 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: also kind of been romanticized a lot. So maybe you 238 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of think about, like, you know, you know, star 239 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: cross lovers, they're sending each other message messages and bottles 240 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: back and forth. And while there might be like some 241 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: versions of that, the pity is, you know, like messages 242 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: and bottles have been used for a wide range of things. So, 243 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: going all the way back to three ten b C. 244 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: The earliest known message in a bottle was sent by 245 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: the Greek philosopher uh Theophrastus. Uh and so the Theophrastus 246 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: is great uh and and so this person they were 247 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: one of Aristota's pupils, and they wanted to test their 248 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: hypothesis that the Atlantic Ocean flows into the Mediterranean Sea. 249 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: So it was used as a form of like scientific exploration, 250 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: trying to collect data. And we see this actually throughout 251 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: the centuries is that it's like, aside from simply trying 252 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: to communicate, they're simply just trying to understand the space 253 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: that they are, uh, the space that we all live 254 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: in together. But you know, messages and bottles they've contained 255 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: all kinds of things, you know, so it might be 256 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: like a warning, it might be trying to reach out 257 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: to someone. It might be like I mentioned earlier, trying 258 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: to crowdsource data. Um, you might just be kind of 259 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: like trying to reach out or mourn those who have lost. Uh. So, 260 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: like a wide range of things. And then what was 261 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: interesting as I looked at examples of messages and bottles 262 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: throughout time, uh kind of like the spirit behind a 263 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: message in a literal bottle has kind of expanded to 264 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: other forms of technology as well, whether it's us shooting signals, messages, 265 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: items out into space, you know, whether it's us like 266 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, putting something out onto the void that 267 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: is social media and troping to hear something back. You know, 268 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: I think that there's always been like this attitude of 269 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: people trying to like send something out and maybe get 270 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: something in return. And I feel like, you know, a 271 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: nice clean way that that is embodied is in messages 272 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: and bottles. So we're still doing as as a species, 273 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing like that, like when you 274 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: when you see those uh there are multiple satellites voyagers 275 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: probably the most famous where they said, Okay, let's imagine 276 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: we want to introduce ourselves to the universe and we'll 277 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: just throw in all the stuff that we are impressed with, right, 278 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, let's let's kind of gloss over 279 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: some of the not so impressive stuff. Listen, like, because 280 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, that's just such thematically that's amazing. Yeah, I mean, 281 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: like even a time capsule. I mean I was an elementar, 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: same thing, and we put a time capsule into the ground. 283 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: I think it's probably been dug up by this point, 284 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: so someone you know, it's probably read something about how 285 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: I enjoyed Ninja Turtles in the nineties, but we've all 286 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: done Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. I hear that on 287 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: the showers were four dollars and nine nine cents golden time. 288 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: But you know, Mark, you make a good point about 289 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: the time capsule aspect, you're using it to kind of 290 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: trace the trajectory of a of a thing, because it's 291 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: hard to do this with much precision, right, Yeah, it's 292 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: hard to do it with precision, but people would still try. 293 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: And I think that people kind of are enamored by 294 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: the idea of a message in a bottle, which is 295 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: kind of contributed to like the way that it's been 296 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of like talked up throughout history. And you see 297 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: that in like some of the like exciting examples throughout time. 298 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: So like going back to the hundreds for example, you know, 299 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: like Queen Elizabeth, Uh, there was a rumor that she 300 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: appointed a royal uncorker of ocean bottles, and so that 301 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: meant that that person was the only person that was 302 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: authorized to open any ocean bottle that that came through. 303 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: And if you were to open it and you weren't 304 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: the uncork you get killed. You get killed, yeah yeah, yeah, 305 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: for the high crime of impost yeah. And so yeah, 306 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: So the story is is that like apparently, uh, Queen Elizabeth, 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: she believed that some bottles might contain like secret communications 308 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: from spies and so like that was the idea. However, 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: people think that it's most likely that it was a 310 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: myth only because like apparently researchers were unable to find 311 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: mention of this like before certain author mentioned it. Victor 312 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: I mentioned it in his novels. But but the idea 313 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: is like maybe there was something similar, you know what 314 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean, So like I don't know what went down, 315 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: but maybe Queen Elizabeth was like, you know, that's my bottle, 316 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: don't do that, and he's like, I'm gonna open it, 317 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I'm gonna take your hand, you 318 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like the origin a bottle service. Yeah, 319 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: like I've always been a little too costly, it always 320 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: I'd never I'm just too square. I don't understand it. 321 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: But I think, actually, no, I think the Quister may 322 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: have used that one of his scenarios to fool us. 323 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I think he mention you're you're asolutely right he did, 324 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: because it was it was it one where that was 325 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: like a true thing in the lie story. I think 326 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: he always does that. Yeah, he might, uh, just be 327 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: careful on your own show, beetlejuice rules don't say his 328 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: name too often he pops out. We didn't tell you 329 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: about that when we signed you up for this. Yes, sorry, 330 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: different things, but this is so so okay. So there 331 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: there are a lot of myths kind of around this theme, 332 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: but there are I think. I think the idea is that, like, yes, 333 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: so there's certainly very many true stories that people finding 334 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,479 Speaker 1: messages and bottles uh, and it's a These are very 335 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: impactful stories. But at the same time, I think something 336 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: that you see pop up every once in a while 337 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: is that there, um, you know, hoaxes or other stories 338 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: that maybe aren't adcent true to get mixed in with that. 339 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: So for example, you know, the Titanic, right, the Titanic 340 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: goes down, uh, and afterwards, you know, there were many 341 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: reports of messages uh in bottles being found with notes 342 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: from survivors. You know, for example, Uh, there was a 343 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: bottle that was found on the west coast of Iceland 344 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: in October of nineteen twelve containing the message I am 345 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: one of them that were wrecked on the Titanic Harry Wilson. However, uh, 346 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, there was no record of a Harry Wilson 347 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: on the Titanic passenger or creweless which suggests that it 348 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: maybe this wasn't really a thing. However, there was a 349 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: note that was penned by Jeremiah Burke, age nineteen uh. 350 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: His note read from Titanic goodbye all Burke and Glanmire 351 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: cork Um and the they had been with the Burke 352 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: family for nearly a century after it was washed ashore 353 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: and dunk at nineteen thirteen, only a few miles from 354 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: his family home. And so apparently this letter is real 355 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: and is now part of the Titanic Exhibition um UH 356 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: in the Cobe Heritage Center. So just for example, you 357 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: have one that was like probably not real, but you 358 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: have another one that was real. And and as I read, 359 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: I think around like the eighteenth nineteenth century, messages and 360 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: bottles became like somewhat popular, right, and so some might 361 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: be real, some might not be. And then you would 362 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: even have like papers reporting on the messages that they found, 363 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, from different people, and so maybe some of 364 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: them were genuine, some of them were not. What's that 365 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: thing not quite the same thing, but but it reminds 366 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: me of what's it called miss connections like connections. Yeah, 367 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: I would wonder is there some sort of collection, like 368 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: a museum exhibition with like a bunch of message gin 369 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: bottle like papers, scraps, you know, I want to see 370 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: that would be cool. I don't know. I don't know 371 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: if there's a museum that specifically dedicated to that. However, 372 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: there are like certain people that are dedicated specifically towards 373 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: finding opening messages and bottles. Wow, so there's like they're 374 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: enthusiasts who are quite serious about this. I read about 375 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: one enthusiast that had found like this is at that 376 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: point it feels like, knowing what we know about ocean currents, 377 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: they're probably hot spots where you can see this. And 378 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: also question, I'm this is an ethical question because you 379 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: guys are you know, I think it's safe to say 380 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: most people are probably more ethical than me. What what? 381 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Bill? Thank you for Bill gave a very 382 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: solid nine. Went sure. But here's the question if this 383 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: is if this is ethical? I think it's safe to 384 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: say that as long as the message wasn't terrible or 385 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: you know, very evil. Uh, most people would love to 386 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: be on a beach and then find find a message 387 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: in a bottle. Right, It's cool because you're kind of 388 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: part of someone's story. Yeah, yeah, I think I think so. 389 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, uh, there's some that are 390 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: actually like quite heartwarming or or either heartwarming or like, um, 391 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: what's the word, just kind of like providing closure perhaps, 392 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: you know. So uh so for example, uh right, uh, 393 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: there was a bottle that was discovered in the River 394 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Thames sent from World War One private Thomas Hughes, and 395 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: they wrote a message for his wife. They tossed it 396 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: in the English Channel as he left to fight in 397 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: France in nineteen fourteen. Right. Unfortunately, you know, he was 398 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: killed in battle two days later. But the bottle, however, 399 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: was delivered to his eighty six year old daughter in 400 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand when it was found later, because it was 401 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: like it was eventually recovered and and and someone found 402 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: it and they delivered it. So that goes to my question, 403 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: knowing that this could bring joy to people, is it 404 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: unethical to do the hoaxes, Like if I'm just doing 405 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: like a nice message, you know, like hello from um buggalaboodo, 406 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: this made up country of fart nanny. You know. You know, Ben, 407 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you asked that because I almost forgot. 408 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: I actually almost forgot. I was on ponts and I 409 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: came across the bottom he's got and I have been 410 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: over yet. I don't know why. Maybe there's enough messages 411 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: in here for all of you to read them. I 412 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: don't know. Wouldn't that be wild if there were four? 413 00:23:51,080 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I 414 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: don't know, Max, Max, you should probably get one of these, Max, 415 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: if you would like, or I can read it for you. 416 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: It's up, it's up to you. I'll read it for you. Max. 417 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I think it's intended for you, but I don't know. Now, 418 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: these are all random, so I we all randomly picked 419 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: them up. So I don't know. I don't know, And 420 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: we don't know the providence of this bottle. Yeah, I 421 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: don't I don't know, bottle. That's all we know. You 422 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: know what. It's probably from post it's probably from what 423 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: you can tell, what you can tell, because it's like 424 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: post Leon. I think he pioneered the three by five 425 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: note cards. That's right. It's like a red line at 426 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: the top and then like several blue lines. Yeah, yeah, 427 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, So I guess. Hey, I don't know. 428 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: Maybe we go one at a time these messages. What 429 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: if we start with NOL and then we go, No, 430 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: what are you cool with that? I mean, this is 431 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: this is like better than a fortune cookie. It's actually utiful. 432 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Add a pinch of cinnamon to your chocolate chip recipe. Wow, 433 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: that's thoughtful. Yeah. I also got a very this one. 434 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Just I kind of needed this today. Guys. It just 435 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: says I love you, Oh, which is what a message 436 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: to get. Yeah, that's very personal signature, no signature, a 437 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: little bit of a smudge, I think maybe yeah, personal touch. Okay, sure, 438 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: we'll take a shot at this. Try to avoid eighty 439 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: five if you can. Lots of traffic mm hmm. And 440 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: smaller prints also good for six percent off Mott sticks 441 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: at Taco bellt good through seven one, two thousand, four 442 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,239 Speaker 1: and twenty two. I am keeping this. I keep this. 443 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: I know you found think it's our responsibility to keep. 444 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: We should split the monz relastics. That's very Yeah. But 445 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: what'd you get this one? Max? I picked this up randomly, 446 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: but I think it is intended for you. All it 447 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: says is you know what you need to do? Max, 448 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, he knows. He's nodding his head curiously. 449 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: He's definitely alight. I've never seen some of who knows 450 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: he what that means? And like, uh, if you're familiar 451 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: with the mentalist Darren Brown, Uh, this I don't know 452 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: how to explain what just happened. So like that, this is, 453 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: this is amazing and I completely believe that you could 454 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: find a bottle like this on Ponsta lay On Live 455 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Uh. And there's lots of it ventures 456 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: and misadventures to be had. Um. Honestly, you know what 457 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna no, Max, I propose we make this in audible? 458 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: Is that sports reference that pull that off? Was like 459 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: com is the audible is the one where you make 460 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: a call on the fly and thinking about Peyton Manning 461 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: when he makes the gestures and the sounds. Aunt, I 462 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: know that one. Okay, okay, okay, So without fully understanding 463 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: reference I made, the reference does work? Okay, great, Well 464 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: here's the audible that I'm going for. Um, Mark, you 465 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: have just amazed us so much and we've had such 466 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: a fun time on this episode that I feel like 467 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: we can save what I was going to talk about, 468 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: which was yodeling. Uh, and we should we should end 469 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: on this because I have finally received a message in 470 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: a bottle Noel, I don't know the top the the 471 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: artifact that you brought in. Yeah, not even topping. I 472 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: just need to think of I got some stuff to 473 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: think about. I think we all do, and I know 474 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: you would prepared it a bit of a yodel for us, 475 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: but well, that may be an episode for another day, 476 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: my friend, because because we end strong right and we 477 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: can get we can get a teaser sound cue from 478 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: our good buddy Max Williams for a good yodel. You'll 479 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: have to come back in the future, folks when we 480 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: can do an episode on the history of yodeline, which 481 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: is fascinating. Yeah. I don't know why I said that 482 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: such a defensive, like argumentative way. I'm holding a finger 483 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: up as though I'm reprimanding us. It's uh last but 484 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: not least, but uh, let's let's end on the best here. Guys, 485 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: Mark Bill, thank you so so much for coming to 486 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: spend time with us. I am too, Yeah, uh for 487 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: spending time with us today. We have been singing the 488 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: praises of ridiculous news uh to yodeling it even from 489 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: alongside the Swiss miss and we thought, you know, what 490 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: better way to what better way to let everybody know 491 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: why we're so excited than to have you guys joined 492 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: us on the show today. Thank you for being so 493 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: generous with your time. Uh. We'd love to hear a 494 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: little bit more as we end about other projects you 495 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: do and about things people can expect from Ridiculous News 496 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: and where to find the show. Yeah, so Mark and 497 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: I beyond doing a Ridiculous News and also a big 498 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: shout out to you y'all, Ben and Knowl and Max 499 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: uh for having us on. It really means the world. 500 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: You guys are so much fun to be around. Um 501 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: and and Ben, I'm knowing you for a while. I've 502 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: always been such a wonderful friend. Um And No, I 503 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: know I haven't known you at So you guys are 504 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: the best and it's been a pleasure a get to 505 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: know you and working on developing the show together and 506 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: welcoming you into the the e Are you extendard Ridiculous universe? 507 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad we're working on it. Changes every time we say, 508 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's not at all. Well, you know, beyond 509 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: hearing about ridiculous stories, the stuff you don't hear, the 510 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: stuff below the fold, the stuff that's interesting and funny. 511 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Mark and I are also improvisers, so there'll be a 512 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of characters on the show. Mark might do something 513 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: like today where he brings a bottle in, or he 514 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: might talk to a character from a specific news story, 515 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: and we have a lot of fun with that. M 516 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: h and uh. And in the interest of full disclosure, 517 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: both Mark and Bill, you have you have sat through 518 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: teaching me improv in the past. I'm using I'm using 519 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: that correctly because no one can tell you. Uh. We 520 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: we do a lot of We do a lot of 521 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: improv on the show. Uh. And so we we love 522 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: the sergy. Check out Ridiculous News. Check out the videos 523 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: that are coming out with cool, cool, cool productions. Uh, 524 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: we're big fans of those. Um No, I guess we 525 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: we gotta thank Bax right, we get good looking. Now 526 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: we're in a different studio arrangement today, so Max is 527 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: Mike isn't able to be recorded. So that's why you're 528 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: he's conspicuously absent in voice, but not in spirit. We 529 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: can's just yelling at me. He's a lot of sounds, 530 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: but very resident angry as a very poetic voice. Uh No, 531 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: I wanna as always man, It's it's a blast to 532 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: hang out on first. I'm so glad we're doing this 533 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: a little more often. I think we've decided to agree 534 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: to do it maybe once a week between this show 535 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: and stuff that I want should gonna try. We've got 536 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: some changes coming in our work since you are office situations. 537 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna turn over a new a 538 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: new uh coin, turn over a new chapter, open a 539 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: new page. Sure ye, other mixed metaphors, we'll uh will 540 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: carry another pigeon. They're not all gonna land. But of course, 541 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: big thanks to the police for their seminal hit message 542 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: in a bottle. Uh, so we don't get the emails 543 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: about not mentioning that. And let's all give a very 544 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: big bond voyage to our no. I just gotta save 545 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: man safe travels. You are heading to Berlin right after this, 546 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: right after this. Yeah, I have been tasked by Mike 547 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: john So I think you guys all know, friend of 548 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: the show for a producer, incredible producer uh in the 549 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: I Heart Podcast network to find the Berlin metro station 550 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: where that scene in Possession takes place, where Isabella uh 551 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: what is your last name? Not Johnny, I believe like 552 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: freaks out and smashes her flower bouquet like. Lately, it's 553 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: been used as a meme where it's like Monday's be like, 554 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do that for you, Mike, I got 555 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: your back. I'm also gonna eat some schnitzel and spitzel 556 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: and drink a beer out of a boot. And our 557 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: pal Ben Jester, who's here in the office today as well, 558 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: told me you're supposed to turn the boots sideways halfway 559 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: through or else your guts will explode. Oh wow, well 560 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: from all the from all the bubbles, oh Max, with 561 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: the facts. You don't know that that happened, but it did. 562 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: He said it was true. So okay, since the facts, 563 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: And where can people find you? Guys work individually, absolutely 564 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: so for Coogo Cool Productions, you know they can check 565 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: out Coogle Cool pro dot com. That's our website. But 566 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: to check out our videos the comedy we got going on, 567 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: we're on social media, so if you go to Mark 568 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: Kendall Comedy, you'll find us on Instagram, uh, Facebook, TikTok, 569 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: and then at Kendall Comedy for Twitter and as usual. 570 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: If you want to find ridiculous history on the Internet, 571 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: you can do so in our Ridiculous History ridiculous Historians 572 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: rather Facebook group. You can find us. On Instagram, you 573 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: can find Ben and I as human people. I'll probably 574 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: be posting some stories with the boot and hopefully my 575 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: guts not exploding at how now Noel Brown on Instagram 576 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: exclusively Ben Bowling about yourself. You can find me calling 577 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: myself at Ben Bowling on Instagram in a burst of 578 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: creativity bow l I n. That's a way to get 579 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: a quick look behind the scenes and all the various 580 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: projects and misadventures I am currently working on. If you 581 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: are more Twitter painted, uh, you can find me at 582 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: Ben Bowling hs W on Twitter. Uh. And that's the 583 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: same thing. There are a lot of spoilers will ask 584 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: questions as we go into research for shows. That's also 585 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: where you can find our good buddy Max Williams. Max 586 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: Williams The Rumors Are True is on Twitter where he 587 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: describes the activities mainly as sports related and trolling me. Yes, 588 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: you can find me at a t L underscore Max Williams. 589 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: That is where you'll find all my fun Twitter POSSI stuff, 590 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: mostly just trolling band. That's about eight percent of what 591 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 1: I do on Twitter. We'll see you next time, folks. 592 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i 593 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 594 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.