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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Chris Raybond of The Action Network.

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Speaker 4: This is our NFC Win Totals episode for twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five four.

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Speaker 1: Recording this in late Maine. Here joining me to break

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Speaker 4: One of the sharpest NFL betting minds in the game,

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister of Degenerate Nation, Stucky stuck.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Gone brother? Excited to talk to some NFC Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: And for those who are interested, our AFC Win Totals

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four episode has already dropped, so be sure

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Speaker 4: to check.

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Speaker 1: That out as well.

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Speaker 4: But we're gonna go team by team here, talk some

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Speaker 4: win totals, any other futures we might like at this

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Speaker 4: point in the offseason. We'll start in the NFC East stuck.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles are ten and a half wins, as are

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys, but we'll start with the Egles. They're ten

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Speaker 4: and a half juiced to the under slightly at minus

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Speaker 4: one twenty. Now the Egles, you know, last year, coming

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Speaker 4: last year, but they had some holes.

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Speaker 1: You I know, you pointed out the secondary was aging.

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Speaker 4: Now they bring in some younger talent infusion Cleanan Mitchell

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Speaker 4: You know that the third ride receiver spot I think

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Speaker 4: is still a question mark.

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Speaker 1: That replacing Kelsey is a question mark.

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Speaker 4: So all in all, you know, we know that you

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Speaker 4: always like to say it's like the NFC East never

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Speaker 4: has a repeat winner.

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Speaker 1: It's been like two decades, more than two decades.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So are the Eagles in better position now

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Speaker 1: You know, to kind of win this division outplay the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think they're a better position to

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Speaker 3: outplay the Cowboys. I mean I projected both the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: actually would lean the under on both of their win totals.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Eagles, I like some of the moves

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Speaker 1: So, and let me set this up. Just give everyone

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Speaker 4: So the Eagles or you mentioned ten and a half

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Speaker 4: So as far as the Giants in Washington go, I

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Speaker 4: Even enough for me that I would go with Washington

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's Washington upgraded too. So, but my

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Speaker 1: But I don't hate I don't hate the Giants.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've seen day ball exceed expectations in years past.

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Speaker 4: I think the division will be a little more competitive

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Speaker 4: think Washington with Daniels and what he brings to the

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Speaker 4: I think he has more passing upside than Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: You know, we know what Daniel Jones is a passer.

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Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what Daniels will be as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, both secondaries obviously, Yeah, major questions and both offensive

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Speaker 3: The play to their toush Bush. So the Eagles obviously

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Speaker 4: You said, that the Giants in Washington could could pose

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Eagles look they made how he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and even this season, like, I think the schedule

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Speaker 4: So I don't mind, you know, betting the Eagles to

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Speaker 1: If they I wish they were win total was nine

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Speaker 4: I think that would I would feel better about no

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Speaker 4: Gonna be it's still gonna be tough for them to

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they're in that.

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Speaker 4: There's a week right now they could get back there,

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Speaker 3: Get the Green Bay game. Week one could go a

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the NFC North. This is

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Speaker 4: an interesting one. Let's start with the Detroit Lions. Probably

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going back to Detroit real quick. You know,

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Speaker 1: one thing I always look at is their outdoor road games.

439
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: By my count, they have.

440
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 4: Three and one of them to get San Francisco in

441
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 4: week seventeen, so that shouldn't be too cold. So really,

442
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: the only right and then the only thing you worry

443
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: about is, you know, the Week sixteen at Chicago that'll

444
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 4: be cold, and Week nine at Green Bay that are

445
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 4: probably told.

446
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: But outside of that, you know, they that's that's it

447
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: for them.

448
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: So Detroit could, especially if their defense improves, they could

449
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: roll through the regular season again and there could just

450
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 4: be a big kind of split between you know, Detroit,

451
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 4: Green Bay, and then the other two teams this division,

452
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 4: which we'll get to in a second.

453
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree on green Bay as well.

454
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: I think the schedule sets up well for green Bay

455
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 4: in terms of the strength of the schedule. It's easier

456
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 4: than Detroit's from that perspective. And you know Jordan Love

457
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: and what he did, you know over that second half

458
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: of the season. I think you know that there was

459
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: some real improvement there and and then you hit on it,

460
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: Joe Barry, that's so key. I just think he misused

461
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: their personnel defensively to probably the largest extent, like they

462
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: were the biggest underachievers defensively in the league these last

463
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: couple of years of my opinion. So a lot to

464
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: like about Detroit. I don't want to fade either of

465
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: these teams. I don't mind you know, taking the cheaper

466
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: one to win the division of those two. Uh, then

467
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: we have Chicago. By the way, green Bay's win total

468
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: nine and a half plus one thirty five to the over.

469
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 4: So if you do like green Bay as much as Stuck.

470
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 4: In addition to that division future you know, just going

471
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 4: over like they you're probably gonna need ten wins still

472
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 4: to win this division, so that that seems interesting as well.

473
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: But Chicago's I mentioned this on I mention this on

474
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: this the AFC podcast. But I do that extse but

475
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: I go through every game throughout the season. It's pretty means,

476
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: but I'd just like to do it for fun, to

477
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: account for spots. And now I think the season is

478
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Speaker 3: gonna play out. I had Detroit finish eleven and five,

479
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: excuse me, eleven and six. Uh, green Bay finish twelve

480
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: and five, and I had Chicago finish eight and nine

481
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: and Minnesota six and eleven.

482
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good segue because I like the Bears

483
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 4: under and it's eight and a half with plus one

484
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 4: forty to the under at bed MGM. Now, listen, the

485
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: Bears did a great job improving this roster, especially from

486
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: where they were, you know, one year ago, two years ago.

487
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: But we already talked about the top two teams this

488
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: division are pretty strong in Detroit and Green Bay.

489
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: Uh.

490
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: Then you have the fact that you're betting on a

491
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 4: rookie quarterback to to you know, be a winner from

492
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: you know, his first season. That's not always, even if

493
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: you're really good, that's not always realistic. Uh So when

494
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 4: I look at the Chicago team, especially with it juiced

495
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 4: to the under at plus one forty, uh for them

496
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: to get under nine essentially under nine wins, uh, I

497
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 4: love it. So that's probably my favorite under so far

498
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: in the in the NFC, and that's you know, I'm

499
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 4: still bullish on this offense. I love what they did,

500
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: you know, adding Rome with Dunzee and they already had

501
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, Keenan Allen. How much can he stay healthy?

502
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: But you know if he is, he had that to

503
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: DJ Moore with a Dundee like that's a great uh,

504
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: great skill positions.

505
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: Along with DeAndre Swift, I think the line will be

506
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 4: incrementally better uh than that it's been. The defense is

507
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: on the up and up as well. So this is

508
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 4: not a bad team, but I still think, you know,

509
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: still probably a year away from truly competing and truly

510
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: being a winning team.

511
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: So I like the under there. What do you think

512
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: it was Chicago?

513
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would lean the under just it's it's all

514
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: comes out of Caleb Williams. They play a ton of

515
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: coin flips too, I mean I have them favorite of

516
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: nine games. Their average spread out of is minus a

517
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: half a point for the entire season, so they have

518
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: a lot of coin flips. They way that the schedule broke.

519
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: Six of their last eight games are divisional games, so

520
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: I think that's a good thing if you want to

521
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: compete for the division because you have a rookie quarterback,

522
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: you know, you get those divisional games all late in

523
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: the season. I do think the defense, Look, it really

524
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: came on the end of last year. Can Jalen Johnson

525
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: be like a lead to lead again? Can Sweat duplicate

526
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: what he did? There's still some other holes on that defense,

527
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: but they could also take a step back, benefited from

528
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: some turnover luck to at the end of the year.

529
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: The offensive line, I agree, I think it's trending up

530
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: a bit. Brought in Bates and Shelton's maybe helping the interior.

531
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: You hope that Jenkins can stay healthy and yeah, I

532
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 3: like all I like the I'm not sure on the

533
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 3: swift getting swift, I don't. I didn't think that was necessary,

534
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: but I like some of the other moves.

535
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: It might be a help, but it can't really hurt.

536
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: But he's still.

537
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, just comes out of Kleb Williams. I

538
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: want to see obviously super talented kid. I want to

539
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 3: see it might take him just time to learn how

540
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: to play within the structure of an offense. Uh, this

541
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: is a kid who you knows, most spectacular plays at USC,

542
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: he would buy time, run around. You know, you want

543
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: to kind of let give him some of that freedom

544
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: to do this stuff and then also make sure that

545
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: he's within the structure of the offense. So I'm curious

546
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: to see how that balance is out. But there will

547
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: be times when he's just holding the ball, you know, wildly,

548
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: and you know, you get stripped or you can't do

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: that in the NFL. So I'm so curious to see

550
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: how he and the staff rains that in without you know,

551
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: taking away kind of his artistic freedom, so to speak.

552
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 3: But I think that's going to make or break him

553
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: if he's able to just kind of rain that in

554
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: just a little bit while keeping his greatness in those plays.

555
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: But I don't mind the under their rookie quarterback in

556
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: the division that is definitely on the come up. But

557
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: I project like eight eight with the Bears.

558
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, William's battling a lot of negative quarterback history with

559
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: the Bears too, So yeah, we'll see how he goes

560
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: with that.

561
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: And then we have the Vikings six and a half wins?

562
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: Is there win total about BETMVM minus one fifty to

563
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: the over plus one twenty five to the Now, Minnesota

564
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: they do have a top two or tied for second

565
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: net rest day edge at plus twelve on their schedule,

566
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: they have five games where they have more rest than

567
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: their opponent. But for Minnesota just you know, there's like O'Connell,

568
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: but there's a lot of question marks. You have JJ McCarthy.

569
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: You know, what is he going to be at quarterback?

570
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: If not, you're you're going probably Sam Darnold. What's that

571
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: gonna what's that gonna do in the division that I

572
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: think is a lot better now? And then you also

573
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: still don't love their secondary. I mean Shaq Griffin is

574
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: is he gonna start? Or is it gonna be Evans?

575
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: Like either way, that's that's a question mark. Murphy wasn't

576
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: even really that good for all that money they paid

577
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: him last year at Harrison Smith is a year older.

578
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on this Viking team with

579
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: the win total six and a half?

580
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got to give credit to is

581
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: there a last Let's see what this mark is. You

582
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: gotta get credit to the floor as for what he

583
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: did last year with his defense, this void of talent,

584
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: but can he do it again? I don't know that

585
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: secondary really scares me. They added Van Ginkoll and Grenard,

586
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: which I like those signings. I think it will help,

587
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: but I still doubt the personnel and defense overall. In

588
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: the quarterback, it's just not there in my opinion. I

589
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: don't think McCarthy's ready yet if he ever will be,

590
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: and then if not, it's Sam Darnold and you know

591
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins was helping. He's been great. It's there's a

592
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: big hole there interior offensive line O. The tackles are great,

593
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: but the questions there. I also don't like how the

594
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: schedule sets up. You lose a game two overseas and

595
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: this just could go sideways quick. Maybe I don't know

596
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: what the market is ten fifteen to one. If I'm

597
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: fifteen to one, I would like last winless team.

598
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 5: If they lose at the Giants week one point probably

599
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 5: think gotta make it like minus one, uh Giants minus.

600
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. If they lose at the Giants in Week one,

601
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: here's their next here's their next games Sant Fran Houston,

602
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: Green Bay, Jets in London by Detroit Rams, Colts, Jags

603
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: at Jags, at Titans at Bears. I mean you when,

604
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: when's the one you feel really confident about? Is that

605
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: comb against the Cardinals and they could be better? Yeah,

606
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: they could be better. I'm just saying like if you're

607
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: just from a I mean have my favorite game, Yeah,

608
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: Titans after that. So the good thing is that if

609
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: they do go end up going to McCarthy, there's there's

610
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: schedule softens up in the back half. But they lose

611
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: that game against the Giants, I don't know. I think

612
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: taking a flyer on Vikings, last winless team, here's stud

613
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: Kerner is usually good at those. I'm curious what he

614
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: sees that. I'll have to look at the other teams

615
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: that are in the running for that. But you know,

616
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: because I think that the let's see the teams that

617
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: probably will be Probably the Patriots and Panthers are probably

618
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: the favorites for that. You know, Patriots and they don't

619
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: have an easy scal they the hardest schedule in the NFL.

620
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: And but I think we're gonna get to them. Carolina

621
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: look at the division they play, and they had a

622
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: bunch of winnable games. We'll get to Carolina, but I

623
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 3: think Minnesota I want to take a flyer last winless

624
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: team as far as I just don't think they have

625
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: a quarterback or the defense here, and the division is

626
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: so tough. It's they're just in a bad spot. Minnesota,

627
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, I project six and a half

628
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: wins on the dot. I have them with the third

629
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: hardest schedule in the NFL. Tough break for them.

630
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we talked about this last part.

631
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: But I wonder if the reason for all this rest

632
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: inequality is because they're kind of looking at the strength

633
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 4: of schedule, because Minnesota has one of the toughest schedules

634
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: in terms of opponent but one of the easiest in

635
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: terms of like you know, their net rest edge and

636
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 4: the games with more rest than their opponents and whatnot,

637
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: so that should even and out.

638
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, i'd mean under our Minnesota as well.

639
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: You know. Now, I'll be monitoring McCarthy closely because I

640
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: think that obviously could change a lot if he's ready

641
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: and looks competent.

642
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: But I'm still I think the odds are less than

643
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty on that.

644
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, let's go to.

645
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: The NFC South and the Falcons projected with a two

646
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: game lead over the rest of the NFC South.

647
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: Nine and a half is the win total minus one

648
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 4: forty to the over at bet MGM.

649
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: I actually lead under.

650
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: On the Falcons, believe it or not. I just think

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: that there's there's still some question mark number one. You know,

652
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: Cousins has been great on Minnesota. Now he's switching teams.

653
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: He's coming off of an achilles, a pretty serious injury,

654
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: you know, on the wrong side of thirty five. That

655
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: doesn't make me feel great. They still have some tough games,

656
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: you know. They play at home against the Chiefs, the Cowboys,

657
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 4: the Chargers, they go to Philly, they go to Denver

658
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: right before they're by, which is you know, even Denver

659
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: is probably not gonna be good, but still not an

660
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: easy place to play. Five of their last eight for

661
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: the Falcons are on the on the road, so I

662
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: think this is still like an eight. I think eight, nine,

663
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: ten is probably most likely, but I think eight to

664
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: nine or nine and eight is still probably more likely

665
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: than them getting a double digits, even in this division.

666
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: So I don't love what the Falcons did by you know,

667
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: they use that number eight pick on a on a quarterback,

668
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: so that's not going to improve him in the short term.

669
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 4: Less they have to play them, which is then not

670
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 4: gonna be good for their win total because that means

671
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: Cousins is hurt. So yeah, I could I see more

672
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: downside than upside for the Falcons at this number.

673
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: But curious as to what you think.

674
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean their their schedule is hard to start

675
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: off the year, got to win that game against Pittsburgh

676
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 3: at home. I think if you want to have like

677
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: a lot of optimism around this team, they're gone too

678
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: failly than they have the Chiefs. But their schedule, just

679
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: from a numbers perspective, is really is easiest scheduled NFL,

680
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: especially after week the first three weeks. But you got

681
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: a lot of change, new quarterback, head coach, offensive corner,

682
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: and defensive corner. I think some of those are gonna

683
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: be positives. Like last year, basically what held them back

684
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: was the quarterback. Yeah, they've the offensive line very underrated.

685
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: They have some talent on the outside in the backfield,

686
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: and I think Arthur Smith held them back at times

687
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: that I just hated the draft picks so much. They

688
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: have quesch on defense, number two corner, another safety, and

689
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: then those are even more glaring holes when you consider

690
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: they don't have edge They don't really lack an edge rush.

691
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: And you gave Cousins all that money, which means you're

692
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: in win now mode trade back or draft and edge

693
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: rush that I or you know, don't give Couzins all

694
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: that money. And if you really like Panis, then you

695
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: have a quarterback on a rookie contract, then you build

696
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: out your roster. Even just made no sense what they

697
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 3: were doing. They really could have used just like someone

698
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: else on defense with that pick, or even traded back

699
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: in another pick and then so that just made zero

700
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: sense to me. I'm also not a Penis guy. We'll

701
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: see if Cousins is healthy. I project them in nine

702
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: to seven. That's basically just because I've favored in fourteen

703
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: games this year. So yeah, but Cousins is, he's been

704
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: the top ten quarterback when he's been healthy, so and

705
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: this division is really easy, so there's definitely some upside there.

706
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: But I'm right on market. I think like the like

707
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: if you derive what the with the juice, I'm like

708
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: within one hundredth of a decimal point, so I.

709
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Got a nothing on Atlanta.

710
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 3: I'm more interested my biggest edge of any win total

711
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: as of right now, and I saw a lot of

712
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: work to do the refinal these is Carolina over that,

713
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: the Anthers over four and a half. I so and

714
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: I'm maybe I'm out of my mind, but I'm thinking

715
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: about just throwing forty to one, forty or fifty to one,

716
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: and then to win the division. This division is terrible

717
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: and like you could win it with eight wins. It

718
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: doesn't take much to win it. So basically what I'm

719
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: betting on is Bryce Young, who I'm look, he's just

720
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: too small, but he can improve. And that's basically. They

721
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: went two and six in one possion games last year.

722
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: A lot of them were just like and they had

723
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: games where even throw two pick sixes. They have six

724
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: winnable non divisional games. And by the way, the win

725
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: total last year with the rookie Brice Young was six.

726
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: I think their defense stole. They did lose Burns, Matos

727
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: and Luvu. They signed Clowney. The secondary should be healthier.

728
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: They were playing like fourth string guys at times last year.

729
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 3: And I really like every other coordinator.

730
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: But you have.

731
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: You know, you brought in two new guards. You're gonna

732
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: move to corporate to center. We'll see if their offensive

733
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: line can just be a little better for Young. You

734
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: know you got you drafted the gat you brought in Johnson.

735
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 3: Think you upgraded your wide receiver room. But last year

736
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: with the rookie Bryce Young win total six deal with

737
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: a lot of injuries. You our offense actually look better

738
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: with Andy dhllet MC quarterback. So a couple of things here.

739
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: I do think Bryce Young will improve just as the

740
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: second year marginally, and if he improves a lot, they

741
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: can win this division for sure. That this is not

742
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: that tall of a task. And if it's not going well,

743
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: then they're gonna be quicker to just say okay if

744
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: they're say they're in it, like, but Song was awful,

745
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 3: let's go to Dalton, Like you don't really they were.

746
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: They were awful last year and they Young was already

747
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: in there. But I think that they would be, you know,

748
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: a little less reluctant to make that change. By the way,

749
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: Harrison met this is my guy. Thinks he'd be the

750
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 3: next star kicker who they signed. I hope he wins

751
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: a job I haven't seen an update on.

752
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: That, but.

753
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Panthers. Look, I mean, if you

754
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: look at their non their division, all these games division

755
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: are winning this terrible division. Here are their games, the

756
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: other they're non divisional games. They could win home against

757
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: the Chargers in Week two at the Raiders. I won't

758
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: even count at the Bears, but that's winnable if if

759
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is not good, uh, at the Commanders, at

760
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: the Broncos, the Giants in Germany home against the Cardinals. Like,

761
00:39:54,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: that's six winnable non outside of your shitty division two. Well,

762
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: I like the Panthers over and I'm I might sprinkle

763
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: some on the division.

764
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right with you.

765
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: I had, literally I had written down for this pod

766
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: a lot of winnable games outside of Cincinnati, Casey at Philly,

767
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 4: in Dallas, like they have four like really tough games.

768
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: It should be really tough for them.

769
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 4: Outside of that, you know, they have thirteen winnable games

770
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: their win totals, Like, you're bout as well as it

771
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: can be because you were so bad last year. They

772
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 4: underperformed their Pists wins by a win and a half.

773
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 4: Usually those teams fair better than next season in the market,

774
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 4: and you know they're from a rest perspective, they have

775
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: a slight edge in terms of that rest days.

776
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: Noboar right for you.

777
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, oh my god.

778
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: Last year, because like you were talking about their win totals,

779
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: that's sick. It was really seven and a half for

780
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: majority of the off season. It wasn't until we kind

781
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: of you know, they were terrible in the preseason and

782
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 4: just like I think they didn't score like a point

783
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: with their first team for the entire preseason or something like.

784
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: That's when it fell.

785
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 4: But it was people were expecting this team to win

786
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: seven eight games for the majority of the offseason. Now

787
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: you know they're coming off a two win season, I

788
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: think now's the time to buy on them.

789
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: And I totally agree.

790
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: There's usually I guy Brandon Anderson always say, there'susually at

791
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 4: least one.

792
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Last to first.

793
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: Team nineteen in the past twenty seasons. Yeah.

794
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: In the in terms of division, think we get two two.

795
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: I think we get the Bengals and maybe the Panthers.

796
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I mean I'm well on the Falcons.

797
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: So this kind of goes right into that.

798
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 4: Their win total, by the way, four and a half

799
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 4: minus won forty to the over at bet MGM. The Bucks,

800
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 4: you know, I'm guessing that you're under on them since

801
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 4: you know they're another contender them in the Saints. They

802
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: both that seven and a half. Bucks minus won forty

803
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 4: five to the over. Saints minus won twenty to the over.

804
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: Talk to me about talking about the Bucks first. Yeah,

805
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: I am a Bucks and.

806
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Saints.

807
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm kind of close to market on stants, but I'm

808
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: under on Bucks and I'm on target for the Falcons.

809
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I liked I liked the under on Tampa.

810
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: I you know when I I just Baker Mayfield had

811
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: a good season last year. That's about as good as

812
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: it could have went for Tampa, and they want a

813
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: tiebreaker to win the division. There's still holes all across

814
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: this roster for an aging team, and I think they

815
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: they really just need I think they need a young

816
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: quarterback and to start over. But I I just I

817
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: don't see it with Tampa this year. I'm lower than

818
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: the market by about a half of a win, and

819
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: I don't see Baker Mayfield duplicating what he did last year.

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on on Tampa overall?

821
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

822
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: I agree, this is a team that I mean they

823
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: won where they went nine games last year ten nine

824
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: or ten games and then they when then they won

825
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: a playoff game, so they did win ten games, which

826
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: we were I think we were on them because the

827
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: Eagles were falling apart at that point. But this easily

828
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: have been like a six five, six, seven win team.

829
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: And you look at the talent as you I think

830
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: you nailed it.

831
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Like the talent is just not great.

832
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing I can really point to on

833
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 4: the defensive side of the ball outside of you know,

834
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: maybe the safeties are good, but you know, and you

835
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: still have Avante David although he's older now you know,

836
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: you lost Carleton Davis, so uh, you know, it's not

837
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: great for your corner. Even though he wasn't playing great

838
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 4: last year, it's still not great. I think that that

839
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 4: that Super Bowl Front seven has been kind of getting

840
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: deteriorated over these last few years.

841
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 3: Offensively, interior, offensive line question big, big question mark.

842
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: And you know Baker Mayfield that is not good because

843
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's yeah, he gets disrupted by pressure.

844
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Mike Evans, you know, keep

845
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: waiting for a fall off.

846
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 4: At some point, you're gonna get it, and at some

847
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: point you're you're not going to get a full season

848
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: out of him. So it's another team where I kind

849
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: of worry about the depth a little bit on the

850
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: offensive side the ball for Shad White, great stats for

851
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: fantasy in terms of volume, but in terms of like

852
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: his just underlying metrics and whatnot, not not anything better

853
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 4: than we average, you know. So there's just a lot

854
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 4: of I think red flags, no point intended with Tampa

855
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: Bay and then the Saints. I mean, I'm always down.

856
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm always down in the Saints. I'm

857
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: not I not as down in the Saints. I think

858
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: the market is more or less on point now that

859
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: they're down to seven and a half. I just I'm

860
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 4: never not a real believer in Derek Carr. This team

861
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: is still you know, they had a lot of maneuvering

862
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: to do in terms.

863
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Of the cap and whatnot.

864
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 4: So like nothing jumps out at me about the Saints roster,

865
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: Like I don't think they'll be absolutely terrible, but I

866
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 4: just think you have kind of a cap sealing anytime

867
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 4: you're starting Derek Carr.

868
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: And this roster.

869
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it has enough coaching staff or on

870
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 4: the Field to kind of get over that hump, even

871
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: in this division.

872
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: So not like they could win, like they're not. Like

873
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons are a little vulnerable. But I'm

874
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: with you. I think the Panthers the team that especially

875
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: when you look at the prices in the market. Three

876
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: three fewer wins than the Saints.

877
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 4: Uh, the Panthers on the team i'd want, Like the Saints,

878
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: they're just they'll probably win six to nine games, but

879
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

880
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Saints, Like the offensive line is

881
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: a mess, a mess. I mean you have Eric McCoy

882
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: at center and who, like Ramcheck, is maybe gonna medically retire.

883
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: I think.

884
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: He took a step back.

885
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you you need Fuaga to come in and uh

886
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: start at left tackle. Uh, you're the other into the

887
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: rest of your into it's bad. Uh. You already had Hirst,

888
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: who was good. They he medically retired. He was going

889
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: to contribute for them. Their offensive line is a disaster

890
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: and just like Mayfield, that's not good for Car. Under

891
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: a new offensive coordinator in Kubiaka they brought in their defense,

892
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: the back end has potential, especially if maybe they might

893
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: trade Latimore, though apparently they're not they said they're not

894
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: going to field offers, but we'll see if mckinstrey can

895
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: fill the nickel role for them. Then their secondary as

896
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: potential and their linebackers are pretty good, but the defensive line,

897
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: it's just so underwhelming at this point to me, Uh,

898
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: Cam Jordan, this doesn't have the same juice are they

899
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: They signed Chase Young. We saw what Chase Young was

900
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: when he got to a new place. Uh, that does

901
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: nothing for me. You know, maybe some of your your

902
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: young guys Brise and Boyd can step up because they're

903
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: gonna need it, Bosky on their defensive line, but yeah,

904
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: the trenches are just a major question mark. Uh, we're

905
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: not We're not huge. Dennis Allen guys, and Derek Carr

906
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: just is who he is. So yeah, Saints are very vulnerable.

907
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: Box are vulnerable. Think Falcons are the best team of paper,

908
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: but they're not some juggernut. So it's uh, yeah, Panther's

909
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: over for me. And uh a little sprinkle on Panthers division.

910
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that a lot like that.

911
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: That's the division where if there's gonna be like outside

912
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: of the Bengals just because you know, they broke got hurt,

913
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: like that's the division where you can really see like

914
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 4: any of those teams winning it.

915
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: So I think that benefits the last place team in

916
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: the market.

917
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: If I'm a Saints fan, Saints fans are such good

918
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: fans of a couple of friends are really good Saints.

919
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: I like, you're now you're stuck in this just proratory.

920
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: I know you're in this shitty division, so you can

921
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: always be like, we can win the division, but like

922
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: you're not. This team is winning the super Bowl. So

923
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: if I'm the Saints, like you never want a root

924
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: for injury, but like if Jake if it ended up

925
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: happening and Jake Hayner was the core, I don't even

926
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: know their backup. This is it, Jake Caner. If Jake

927
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: Cayne was the quarterback and you won like three games,

928
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: Allen gets fired, you gotta blow this shit up. I

929
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 3: think that would be better long term for the franchise

930
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 3: and stuck in this purgatory.

931
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Jay Hayn, I mean you have you have

932
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler there.

933
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: You also have the uh first half legend Nathan Peterman

934
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 4: uh on the roster as well, So yeah, it's and

935
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: like also when it comes to the Saints, it's like

936
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: like some of the guys that are aging, it's like

937
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: when did they slow down?

938
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, like Alvin Kamara is getting older.

939
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: Da Mario Davis who's been playing at like a top

940
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: three where he's getting older, Uh, you know, a Jordan

941
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: Tyron Matthew for for that matter. And then and then

942
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: like a Deebo, like does he continue to be as

943
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: good as like he was very good last year?

944
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: Is that with that a fluke or you know, I

945
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: mean he's a what third round pick, so he could

946
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: continue that, but he played really well.

947
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: So there's just a lot of question marks with the

948
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: Saints that, you know, I feel like they have more

949
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: downside than up. NFC West's close it out with the

950
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: NFC West here San Francisco, eleven and a half wins,

951
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: plus one oh five to the over, minus one twenty

952
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: five to the under at bet MGM. They have the

953
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: worst NETT advantage in the league at minus twenty one.

954
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: I think they got the worst in the NFC last year.

955
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs had the worst.

956
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: So poor Otter's worst net rest this event since nineteen ninety.

957
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, okay, so it's that bad. Yeah, it's

958
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not good.

959
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 4: I mean, now, this is a great team on paper,

960
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 4: but I mean they have three short week road games

961
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: on top of that. We know that betting the overs

962
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 4: on these double int tends to be an unprofitable bet.

963
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: What do you think it with San Francisco?

964
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I project them around where they're at, but I

965
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: lean under with you know, I haven't. I haven't taken

966
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: into account all of the scheduling nuances yet. But that

967
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: net rest this it's just that that's it's massive. It's

968
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: one of the it's the we don't I think about.

969
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: I only will go.

970
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: Back to nineteen ninety. I think it could be the

971
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: worst ever by a wide margin. I mean I have

972
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: them favored in every game, but they're some tricky spots

973
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: on the schedule. You know, if you're looking for remember

974
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: the division. I think you know, the Rams are not bad.

975
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: We saw what they could do last year. I think

976
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: the Cardinals could be better. The Seahawks are always feisty,

977
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: so it's not a cakewalk division. But you're also going

978
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 3: you know, to Green Bay to Buffalo. You have Miami

979
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: in Detroit at home. I'm sure Detroit has been.

980
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: Miami's on the road.

981
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Miam's on the road, if Kansas City and

982
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: Dallas at home. So yeah, there's there's some landmines on

983
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: this schedule. I still have questions about San Francisco in

984
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: the trenches. Also some what in the secondary. And we'll

985
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: see if Rock Party the offense is going to be

986
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: so well schemed regardless, but we'll see if he can

987
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: continue to play at the level that he has. So yeah,

988
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: right full, I have them power rated does the best

989
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: team in the NFL might be the best roster barely,

990
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 3: but they If I had a bet there winter, I'd

991
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: go under.

992
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And again these it's just these these wind totals.

993
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: Once you get into double digits, it's just not profitable

994
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: us or it hasn't been, I should say, historically to

995
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: bet the.

996
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not even accounting for injury, injury downside risk.

997
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: So McCaffrey was healthy last year.

998
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: Party was healthy for the most part, outside of a

999
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: couple of games, you know, everyone like they had a

1000
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: cup that that that stretch where guys got banged up,

1001
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: but like for the guys still played for the most part,

1002
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 4: like the guys they needed to play played, So yeah,

1003
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 4: things could go south. Now they do have a three

1004
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 4: game lead in the wind total market on the second

1005
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: place team or projected second boye team, which is the

1006
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: Rams Rams eight and a half wins at bet MGM

1007
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 4: minus one, twenty five to the over What do you

1008
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: think of the Rams this year with no Aaron Donald.

1009
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, got to replace Donald. They've luckily, you know, they're lucky,

1010
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: they're all They got Jones Jackson at guard and the

1011
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: rest of their offense is pretty much back intact. And

1012
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: if Stafford can play like you did last year, their

1013
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: offense is obviously super explosive, very well schemed, and they've hit.

1014
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 3: They've They've don't have a lot of draft capital, but

1015
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: they've really hit on the guys they drafted, like Kobe

1016
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: Turner and Byron Young were awesome in year one. Can

1017
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: Fisco and Verse do the same if so, that will

1018
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: really help not only you know, replacing you can't really

1019
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 3: replace Aaron Donald, but helping to fill that gap, but

1020
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 3: their overall defense, and then you had Darius Williams Trey

1021
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: White to address the corner spot, which needed to do

1022
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: at Cameron Curl at safety. So yeah, I like some

1023
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: of the moves they made on defense. If their young

1024
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: guys continue to progress, in the year two and their

1025
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 3: rookies hit. Then this team all of a sudden looks

1026
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: a lot more dangerous, even with new coordinators and without

1027
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald. But I project them special teams are still

1028
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: wary for me, but I project them right around eight

1029
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 3: and a half. But I can see the argument for

1030
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: the upside there. What are your thoughts?

1031
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked I like the Rams upside a lot.

1032
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: Now, obviously, you know, losing Donald on paper, that's gonna

1033
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: worry a lot of people, But I agree. I think

1034
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: the offense could be one of the top offenses in

1035
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: the league health permitting. I like what they found with

1036
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: Robinson at at the third wide receiver spot last year.

1037
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 4: I think he gives them a lot more run blocking.

1038
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: I think the running back depth is better with quorum

1039
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: there this year. I think on defense, you mentioned.

1040
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: It they because we we we've made fun of their defense,

1041
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: like just the guys they had on paper getting into

1042
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: last year, and you know they they managed to hold

1043
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: it together now and it is a lot easier with Donald,

1044
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: but you hit it. They've been nailing their draft picks.

1045
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: I think on paper, the past bad, but now you

1046
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: got you added two corners that I think helped to

1047
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: really plug that plug those holes.

1048
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think they're like if there's going to

1049
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 4: be a team, like if the Niners struggle with injuries

1050
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: or whatever, it might be like the Rams are going

1051
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 4: to be that team I think to win the division.

1052
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: Like like, clearly, I think there's some upside there. I

1053
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: lean over at the at the win total. I still

1054
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 4: think their offense and and they have enough on defense

1055
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: and well coached team enough to get them to a

1056
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: winning record once again. So I lean over on their

1057
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 4: win total eight and a half. And then the Seahawks,

1058
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: you know, they have a their win total seven and

1059
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 4: a half. They have a minus one twenty five to

1060
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: the over at seven and a half at bet MGM,

1061
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 4: a minus thirteen net rest edge. That's bottom four. They

1062
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 4: have you know, seven games aainst opponents with more than

1063
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: standard prep time, So their schedule is kind of like

1064
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 4: all over the place, Like overall it doesn't look good,

1065
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 4: but they do have some edges there. But the Seahawk team,

1066
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: it's another It kind of reminds me of a little

1067
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: bit of the the Saints, but not as not as aging.

1068
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 4: But I don't know if they're ever going to win

1069
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl with this roster with with Gino Smith.

1070
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: Now they do have Sam Howell as well, but this

1071
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: is kind of like another one of these purgatory teams

1072
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: for me, Like they could be they could make a

1073
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: run here and get to nine ten wins, but they

1074
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 4: could also be bad.

1075
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on Seattle?

1076
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm still not sowing on their tackles

1077
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: by the way, almost there, and they're both entering their

1078
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: third year, but their offense, their in tier offensive line,

1079
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: talk about question marks that could really just end up

1080
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: blowing up this entire offense and Gino Smith really limited

1081
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: ceiling even though you have some really good weapons on

1082
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 3: the outside. I do like Ryan Grubb. I do like

1083
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald, Like I really like the staff. So we'll

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Speaker 3: see what McDonald can do from a sthmatic perspective as

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: similar to what he did with Baltimore. I don't know

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00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: if we'll we have to get the same amount of

1087
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: attention to the defensive game plan, but I definitely think

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00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 3: that there's some like uh, you know, just Ev hitting

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00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: the EV with McDonald that's still not priced into the markets,

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00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: Like I priced them a little over eight. But the

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00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: offensive line, you know when I look at the defense.

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: The corners have potential. That corner group, you know, Love

1093
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: was great last year. We'll see if he can be

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: as good. Jenkins really iffy. The other safety spot, yeah,

1095
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: Baker Dots and at linebacker Lennon Williams. The defensive line,

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00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: it's it's an okay defense that I think McDonald has

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00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: some pieces to work with, but it's not gonna win

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: you games on their own. I think the offensive line

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: really could be the downfall of this group, and Gino

1100
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: Smith just kind of really limits your ceilings. So I

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't look them look at them to win the division

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00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 3: or any futures. I leaned slightly on from a numbers

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00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: perspective on their win total over I think this is

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00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: probably like an eight or nine win team. But I'm

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00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: just giving the benefit of the doubts. McDonald so slightly

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: into the over there, But I wouldn't I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: If you're gonna look to take on the forty nine

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00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: ers to win this division, I think you do it

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Speaker 3: with the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the Seawks.

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: I think you know, they like McDonald's. Like, there's certain

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00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 4: things that make me not want to just outright completely

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00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 4: fade them. Because I think they do have some substantial upside,

1114
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: but I agree, I think the old line could be

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 4: a detriment. I think they could be have one of

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00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: the worst old lines in the league. And if they do,

1117
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 4: you know Lockett, you know, he's a year older. Metcalf

1118
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 4: Is is great and jig Bush should be taking a

1119
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 4: step forward. But I mean, I don't is the defense

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: good enough or will we good enough with McDonald to

1121
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 4: kind of offset that?

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00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is to me, this is it

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Speaker 1: probably is a coin flip team, probably probably like an

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00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: eight win team seven into nine wins, six to ten

1125
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: even so, not no real value or but a wider

1126
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: range of outcomes.

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00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 4: So that's this is a projection for the Seahawks that

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00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to really kind of look into a

1129
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 4: lot more because I don't I'm all over the place

1130
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 4: with them right now. Could I see I could see

1131
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: it go in a lot of different ways. But I

1132
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 4: do like to your point, I do like the corners,

1133
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: I do like some of the guys on the on

1134
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: the D line, and I do like the out the

1135
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 4: receivers on the outside. But you know, that's what's good

1136
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: on paper. But new a lot of new things going on,

1137
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 4: and how much you know Pete Carroll, what kind of

1138
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 4: intent was you know by the end, was he losing

1139
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: as much as Belichick or was he still giving them

1140
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 4: an intangible edge that maybe they don't get.

1141
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: Now this year. So yeah, a lot of questions with Seattle.

1142
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Of those two teams. Yeah, I like the Rams better too.

1143
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: And then Arizona's kind of the wild card six and

1144
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 4: a half is Arizona's win total minus won fifty to

1145
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: the over minus plus one twenty five excuse me to

1146
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 4: the under? Uh?

1147
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, Adding Marvin Harrison Junior for Kyler, I think

1148
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: helps because Howard's numbers if you just look at his

1149
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: career numbers with him without DeAndre Hopkins, who was pretty

1150
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: much the only true number one wide receiver their night

1151
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: and day.

1152
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 4: So if Harrison could be everything we think he's gonna be.

1153
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: I think it's a big bump for Tyler. But my

1154
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: question to you, Stuck is, you know, we talked about

1155
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 4: it last year. The defense had nothing, probably a little

1156
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: better this year just because I don't think it's could

1157
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 4: have gotten much worse. But Kenn's defense allowed them to

1158
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 4: be competitive. If their offense is.

1159
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: Back to you know, being average above week average.

1160
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see it. Look, I mean they were

1161
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: two and five in one possesion games, finished four and thirteen.

1162
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: They were three and five with Mary who played in

1163
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: the last eight games. I do love Harrison Junior as

1164
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: many do, but offensive line still as many questions. Defense

1165
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: still just void of talent. Like adding Jones on the

1166
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: interior Murphy Bunning, that doesn't move the needle for me.

1167
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 3: This group is just so void of talent that it's

1168
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 3: hard for me to see them taking a major step.

1169
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: But I projected them to like six point nine. I

1170
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: could you know, they finished four and thirteen. I could

1171
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: see them winning. I really like Gannon as the coach says,

1172
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: like MacDonald, my problem is, I just don't think either

1173
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: roster has enough right now. The Cardinals, unlike the Seahawks,

1174
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: do have the quarterback with more upside, and they have

1175
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 3: the continuity. Right you have a your two quarterback, your

1176
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: two coach, you're to Cordon office corner, your two defensive coordinator.

1177
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: But I just don't see it with this defense or

1178
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: offensive line. I think that's ultimately gonna hold them back.

1179
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: I won't be betting the under on Arizona. I know

1180
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: some people like them as a sleeper. I don't see

1181
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: it yet, even though I really do like and respect

1182
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: Gannon and for what it's worth, I just this just

1183
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: game to me, and I would be remiss if I

1184
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: didn't mention it because our producer would kill me. Matt

1185
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: Mitchell or other. Ah. My decision between the Giants and Commanders,

1186
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: I've just made it. I'm going with the Giants because

1187
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: I totally forgot that Cliff Kingsbury is the offensive coordinator

1188
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: for the I was.

1189
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Speaker 4: Surprised you didn't bring that up earlier, but fair Uh yeah,

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 4: I mean he's gone from Arizona now a couple of

1191
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 4: few years. I think their offense is going to have

1192
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: to carry them because I didn't like the thing I

1193
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: worry about what Arizona is like this. In theory, this

1194
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: should be one of those years where you know, uh,

1195
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: last play schedule, pretty good quarterbacks. You know, they should

1196
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 4: be able to you know, adding a weapon on off

1197
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: they should be able to take a jump. But I

1198
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 4: didn't like a lot of the signings that they made.

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01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 4: I think, like like they signed Justin Jones for three

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01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 4: years thirty mil uh. They signed Balle Nicholas for three

1201
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 4: years twenty one mil Yeah, and they like those guys

1202
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:31,479
Speaker 4: were not good.

1203
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: Really.

1204
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 3: I didn't love the draft either, yeah, which was right?

1205
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: Which exactly? And like they I don't think they added enough,

1206
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Like like they.

1207
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 4: Added a lot of guys on defense, but I don't

1208
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 4: know if they had the right guys. Now, maybe these

1209
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 4: guys were going to move down in the scheme. But yeah,

1210
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 4: same thing on the on the line, same thing, you know, like, yeah,

1211
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 4: it's just not enough there for me. Six five six

1212
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 4: wins seven probably right, So six and a half a

1213
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 4: play for me there, all right, Just to recap, what

1214
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 4: are your favorite NFC bets.

1215
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: Let's just finish it off with more Carolina love, Carolina

1216
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: over numbers too low and a little sprinkle on the

1217
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: division others. I look at Dallas under Packers to win

1218
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: the division and if you want to sprinkle in the

1219
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,959
Speaker 3: NSCs because of Kingsbury up the sided Giants don't mind

1220
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers under either and the Bucks under too.

1221
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1222
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 4: For me, it's Carolina overs Carolina division bears under and

1223
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: those are those are the strongest one that leen under

1224
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 4: Minnesota and lean over the Rams. But it's pretty early

1225
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 4: for that, so Bears under and Panthers overs or the

1226
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: two that stick out that's going to do it for

1227
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: us Here on our NFC Win Totals pod for twenty

1228
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 4: twenty four. Again, be sure to check out our AFC episode,

1229
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,040
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1230
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,760
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