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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two hundred

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Speaker 1: and one, and today we're discussing the latest in the

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Speaker 1: Holy Field saga. We're gonna chat about managing relationships with

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Speaker 1: neighboring hunters, our thoughts on big buck Mania, physical fitness

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Speaker 1: and hunting, and much much more below, folks, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Sitka Gear and taking the show, we are talking so

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Speaker 1: special interruption. We are talking about something different than we

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Speaker 1: originally planned on. We had a special topic and a

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Speaker 1: guest lined up for today's show, and so me and

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Speaker 1: Dan recorded a full intro with that all in mind,

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Speaker 1: and then the last minute after recording that introduction, the

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Speaker 1: interview and guests fell through. So, being still very quick

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Speaker 1: on our toes, me and Dan decided that we could

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Speaker 1: still pull off an episode with a full BS session.

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Speaker 1: So that is what we did, and I gotta say

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Speaker 1: I think it actually turned out pretty darn good, so

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Speaker 1: so don't worry, this one is still worth listening to, Um,

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Speaker 1: we do cover some very exciting news. Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: follow Wired Hunt in other places, you already know. But

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Speaker 1: at the podcast is your only touch point, you are

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Speaker 1: in for a surprise. Um. Although maybe the title gives

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Speaker 1: this away. Um, So there's news. We also talk about

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Speaker 1: some some interesting things that we haven't touched on before

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Speaker 1: related to some controversy and challenges with neighbors. Um. We

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Speaker 1: talked about this tricky topic of working with or against

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Speaker 1: talked about quote unquote big bucks and hunting goals. Um,

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Speaker 1: and we just talked about a lot lot more. So. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we didn't cover what we planned on covering, but it's

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Speaker 1: still something that I think it turned out pretty good.

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Speaker 1: So enough of me. I'm going to throw it back

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Speaker 1: to our originally recorded interview and then, UM, we're just

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Speaker 1: going to kind of roll as best as possible from

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Speaker 1: there with a couple of little skips and changes. Um.

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Speaker 1: But what we're just gonna get going with it. No

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Speaker 1: matter where you're at, we're all gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: learn something today. So so I'm pumped about that, dan. Um.

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Speaker 1: But before we get on the line, we need to

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Speaker 1: have our little pregame show here and I have something

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Speaker 1: exciting to share today, Dan, But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure you get a chance. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you have anything you want to make sure we

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Speaker 1: talked about here? Nothing real serious, you know, here's something

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Speaker 1: longer conversation at some point, but I'm putting a little

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Speaker 1: bit of thought. I don't know about it. It It just

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Speaker 1: kind of bumped into my head about potentially looking for

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Speaker 1: a lease this year in Iowa, and I, to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, it's something I've never had to do before.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I am or not, but

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Speaker 1: it's something that I'm bouncing around, and to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I don't even know where to start to

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Speaker 1: look for, like land that people have up for lease. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is a tricky top. It's a It's one of

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Speaker 1: those things where some people get all um, been out

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Speaker 1: like you said, this could be a whole big, separate

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Speaker 1: and I can understand that because it is right. Access

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Speaker 1: And we've talked a lot about trying to get permission

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Speaker 1: But I just I don't know, I've never had a

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Speaker 1: land guys are gonna look at me now, like Dan,

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Speaker 1: You're such a huge pussy. Stop talking right now. You

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just something that I've been playing

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Speaker 1: just things that I've been thinking about. You now, I

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Speaker 1: something and can do the stuff you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's really hard to do that whole management

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Speaker 1: you own. Um. But it's tough to find a lease, dude,

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Speaker 1: It's tough. I for a long time, for years, I

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Speaker 1: You know, there's all these different websites, leasing networks and

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Speaker 1: And I talked to every down that area meet I

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Speaker 1: And then like two or two years later, something I bumped.

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Speaker 1: to hear something like that, And that's how I found

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Speaker 1: not gonna say huge big for Iowa City centers, right,

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Speaker 1: and the county that I live in is pretty much

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Speaker 1: spoken for. Everything is spoken for, and if you do

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Speaker 1: You know, it sounds a lot like Michigan. But I

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Speaker 1: But the public land is overwhelmed throughout the year, and

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Speaker 1: because I'm like such a cheapass, I won't go through

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Speaker 1: who I lease it too, because I'll be making money, right, So,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's and here's here's another thing that

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Speaker 1: I've been running into lately. And I know I'm taking

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Speaker 1: curious if you allow bow hunting on your property. No,

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Speaker 1: we already have somebody who hunts our property. Okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, you know, can I go turkey hunting

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Speaker 1: It's like go shed hunting. And then through shed hunting,

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Speaker 1: I see that there's no tree stands on the property.

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no sign of anybody hunting the property.

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Speaker 1: But yet they kind of wrap all hunting. Even though

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Speaker 1: want to gun hunt. There's still something that I need

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Speaker 1: to do better, as I guess, selling myself to allow

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Speaker 1: know we already have someone on or you know we don't.

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Speaker 1: You know, we save it for the family, Yet nobody

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Speaker 1: go up and knock on these doors, what do you

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Speaker 1: do about your your four fingered hand. Do you hide

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Speaker 1: out there hunting, but I was just allowing myself to

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00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: get so um overstressed when it comes to it. So

428
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: this year, yeah, I'm gonna do a ton of work

429
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: to try to kill this deer, but I am going

430
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: to not view like the ultimate. Um, I don't know

431
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: what am I trying say. I'm not gonna let that

432
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: define like my season. I'm still gonna go do other stuff.

433
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cancel all my other trips just

434
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: because I have to kill this deer. I'm still gonna

435
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 1: go all do some more fun stuff out of state. Um,

436
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: if a different nice buck shows up in the area,

437
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to shooting a different deer. Um, I'm

438
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: not gonna this isn't gonna be holy fielder bus this year.

439
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be I really would like to kill holy Field.

440
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything I can, But I'm approaching the

441
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen season more as I want to have

442
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: a fun, exciting, diverse hunting season. That's at least what

443
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying today. You know why I'm laughing because because

444
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: here's what's here's what's gonna happen. You have all these

445
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: plans already about going and doing fun things, and you're

446
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: not gonna put any pressure on yourself in Chase holy

447
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: Field in this year, that bastard is going to have

448
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: his biggest rap and he's gonna straight blow up. And

449
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna like this is like, this is the biggest

450
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: Michigan buck I've ever seen in my entire life. And

451
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, You're right, I'm probably gonna get all

452
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: crazy about it again. You're gonna get worked up again.

453
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: I've never had a buck like this. You know this

454
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: will be I've never anywhere I've hunted had a buck

455
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: that I've followed for four years in a row. So

456
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: this will be the longest history I've ever had with

457
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: a buck. Um and it are already was that the

458
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: deepest history, and now adding another year, this just takes

459
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: it to a whole another level. He'll be the oldest

460
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: Michigan buck I've ever had a chance to actively hunt. Um.

461
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: So I'm excited, right, I'm excited, But I'm excited for you,

462
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: Mark Man. There's that survivor buck. He made it. He'll

463
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: be a really nice four year old. There's the mystery

464
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: giant who's in the neck of the woods who I

465
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: saw in January, so he survived the hunting season. UM.

466
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: So there's there's options. Plus I I UH and working

467
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Speaker 1: on some new permissions that I'll talk about later. UM.

468
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: I might have some new access to some new stuff.

469
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: But I'm which I'm excited about. UM. I think it's

470
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: about time for UH Dan Johnson Mark Kenyon podcast in

471
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks catch up. Given how long we've

472
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: been talking here in our predumn show, UM, lots to

473
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: lots of talk about. So I guess though, we should

474
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: wrap this one up though, so we can get our

475
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: guests on. So let's pause here for our sick story

476
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: of the day, and then we'll get right back at you.

477
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Speaker 1: For this week's sit of story, we're joined by Sitka

478
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: Ambassador Kyle Hansen, who tells us about harvesting his first

479
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: book with our three equipment November one to two thousand

480
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: and seventeen. Conditions were perfect to go in and hunt

481
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,239
Speaker 1: the stand that I had hung the weekend prior for

482
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: a deer that I've been after named Kong Kong was

483
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: the number one target buck for the area that I've

484
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: been after and so on that day. Luckily, I was

485
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: able to get out of work early, and unfortunately I

486
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 1: still got to my stand late, at about three pm.

487
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: I was only there for about an hour and a

488
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: half before Kong stepped out in the field. Fortunate for me,

489
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: Kong ended up ben betting out in the middle of

490
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: his clover plot, only about fifty yards away. He took

491
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: a nap there for about forty five minutes before he

492
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: got up and started working his way over towards me.

493
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: When he finally came into range, he looked the other way.

494
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: I drew held and I let one fly hit him

495
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: square broadside, and he ran off. I was not able

496
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: to recover him that day, however, because it was almost

497
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: nightfall at that point and he ran off into the

498
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: neighboring property. Um the following day we were able to

499
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: recover him without much of a problem, although he did

500
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: end up it's pretty deep ravines and it took the

501
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: rest of the day to get out. On Kyle's hunt,

502
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: he was wearing sick of fonetic system. If you'd like

503
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Speaker 1: to create a sick of story of your own, or

504
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Speaker 1: to learn more about technical hunting apparel, visit sitka gear

505
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Speaker 1: dot com. All right, so, um, we had a guest

506
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: find up and it kind of fell through, mostly because

507
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: of my poor planning. So, man, yeah, you know, I've

508
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: got a almost a three week old baby. I'm sleeping

509
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: on the couch. I'm not I'm just not functioning very

510
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: well as a human being, I guess. So, no, guest,

511
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna just do a full Mark and dan Bs episode.

512
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: So we've talked a little about how you wanted, how

513
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: you're thinking about. Least we talked about me discovering Holy

514
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: fields shed Um, what else do you want to talk about?

515
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: We can we can talk about what you got an idea?

516
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: What do you want to have a question for you?

517
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: It's random? Okay. So there's nights when I'm in my office,

518
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: right and I so I my my office, my my desk,

519
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: my computer is all inside of a closet. It just

520
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: makes the room easier, right, So sometimes I turn around.

521
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: Do you ever do this where you just sit and

522
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: stare at your mount's or your shed antlers and just

523
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: like replay the memories and stories in your head? Yes,

524
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely, dude, that is so fun. And it's like

525
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: it's it's a form of entertainment that you have to

526
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: use your own brain. I think that's awesome now that

527
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: that's like my number one reason why I like to

528
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: mount deer is to be able to visually you know, remember,

529
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: have that visual que and then you just sit there.

530
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: I spend so much every time I walk into my office,

531
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: I walked through my little man cave and go past

532
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: these wall mounts, and I just stop and stare a

533
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: lot of the time and just like look and just

534
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: think about that deer, that experience that hunt. Um, unless

535
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: your hunter, I can understand. I can. I can understand

536
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: why non hunters look at that is maybe like it's

537
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of weird, But as a hunter, I think, Man,

538
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: they're they're they're meaningful. I'm pumped. I mean every time

539
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: we look at them, I'm pumped. And I'm especially pumped

540
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: after finding the Holy Field. Shed My just I'm just

541
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: like the last week, like I'm always I'm always pretty

542
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: excited abou deer hunting, but usually like by late December,

543
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit burnt out. Like I'm okay, I'm

544
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: like I start looking at elk hunting magazines or I

545
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: start thinking about backpacking trips or fly fishing trips. And

546
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: then at some point I get back to one fifty

547
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: percent white tail mania and it hit me, like late January,

548
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: early February, I'm right back to all right, what can

549
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I be doing? What should I be thinking about? I

550
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: was studying maps last night. My baby was sleeping and

551
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: his little baston that in my office. Um, because me

552
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: and did I tell you about my shift system? They mean,

553
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Kylie have now oh to make sure that we can

554
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: still get some sleep. We've split up the night into

555
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: like three to four hour increments. So the first shift,

556
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: I go in my office and I take the kid

557
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: and try to get into sleep. And he's actually been

558
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: doing very well. Knock on wood, he's actually doing really well.

559
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: So he's been sleeping, but we're in separate rooms so

560
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: that if he is waking up and making noise, at

561
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: least the other person can sleep. Um, So he's in

562
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: baston that I'm in my office studying maps, reading the

563
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: most recent North American whitetail, looking at the trail camera pictures. Um,

564
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: and it's like eleven o'clock at night. So that's where

565
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: my head is there right now. So what happens when

566
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: the reality of you not having lactating breasts comes into

567
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: play here, because there are times when you know, I

568
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: can stay up with a kid all I want, but

569
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: if he wants the booby, I don't have the booby.

570
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: So far now, I don't know if it's going to change,

571
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: and I want to, like ask the universe too for

572
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: like permission. This is like, Universe, please give him permission

573
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: to speak freely here without jinks, like I don't want

574
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: to get jinks here and have things ruined. But so

575
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: far he has not been like bad at all. Like

576
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: he occasionally, like the first few days early on, there

577
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: were some times when whenever you laid him down in

578
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: his bassonet or the packing play or whatever at night

579
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to go to sleep, he would wake up as soon

580
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: as you laid him down or you lay him down,

581
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: and like ten minutes later he'd wake up and start crying.

582
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: And then as soon as you held him though, if

583
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: you held him and rocked him a little bit, or

584
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: like held him on your chest or something, he'd fall

585
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: asleep and he would sleep straight through. Um. So that's

586
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: basically what where it's at. Either he sleeps right away,

587
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: you put him down and he just conks out and

588
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: he's out and he sleeps all the way until you

589
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: wake him up again for his next feeding. Or if

590
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: he does get fussy and makes noise, I can just

591
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: pick him up and hold him and then he'll shut

592
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: back up and go to sleep. So I haven't got

593
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: to the point yet where he's super upset and will

594
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: not calm for anything but the but the milk. Um,

595
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: so knock on wood. That's definitely on the wood. Yeah,

596
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll see if that changes. But here in

597
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: the next week or two, um, my wife is going

598
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: to start pumping, so I'll have the what do you

599
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: call it the bottle as an option. Um. But yeah,

600
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean he I'm just like crossing all my fingers

601
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: and toes to make sure this doesn't change. But he's

602
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: been super chill, like really good. I mean he's lately

603
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: the last week or like, I take him to my room,

604
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: to my office and put him down. He sleeps the

605
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: full three hours, and then I go and bring him

606
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: over to my wife. She feeds him, and then he

607
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: sleeps the straight three hours again. She wakes up again,

608
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: feeds him. He sleeps straight through after that. I mean,

609
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: he's been Golden lately. Um so, my little my little

610
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: buddies cooperating well so far. You know, I'm I want

611
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: to say this, Emmett. Is his name right, Everett Everett? Okay, Everett,

612
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: that's right, Everett, dude, He's named after you. How could

613
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: you forget that? Everett Daniel? Ever Daniel? I do that right? Okay,

614
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: all right, Everett dude. That name sounds like gun slinger, right,

615
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: like wild West gun slinger type. That's what I was thinking.

616
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Do you like that? I like that? Everett Kenyon? And

617
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: and for short, I think I'm calling Rhett so Rhett Kenyon.

618
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I think that's got a good a good ring to

619
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: Everett Kenyon. Now, I I apologize in advance of this

620
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: comment if it's offends somebody, but I really don't care.

621
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: And but but Everett Kenyan sounds like a Western gun

622
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: slinger with a little bit of Indian blood in him, right,

623
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: so you know, just like hey, he knows everything? Now,

624
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: uh huh? Did ever I used? Did I ever tell

625
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you this? I used to think when I was a

626
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: kid growing up, I thought for sure my grandpa was

627
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: a Native American, like I thought, I thought it was

628
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: a quarter Indian. My whole life, not my whole life.

629
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: But until I was old enough to realized that wasn't

630
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the case, because he was he was very dark, complexed,

631
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: very tan. He just had he had a look that

632
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: looked to him like, I don't know, like you see

633
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: in pictures from back in the day of Native Americans,

634
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: like just a worn, leathered face. Um. And I'm not

635
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: trying to stereotype of generalize anything now, I'm just saying

636
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: some of these pictures you saw in back in the day,

637
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: my grandpa just had that similar look, and so I

638
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: always thought. And plus, he was this ultimate woodsman. I mean,

639
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: he seemed to know everything about the forests and the

640
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: woods and deer and fish and everything. So as a kid,

641
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, my grandpa was a Native American. Um, alright,

642
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: let's do this thing. Um. So it makes sense maybe

643
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: that my son has got a little bit of a

644
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: ring to that to his name. But interestingly, his his

645
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: first name actually is my mom's maiden name. That's what

646
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: ultimately gave us the idea for it. Nice. So, yeah,

647
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: the more you know, the more you know. But how

648
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: do we start on kids? Yeah, because you're talking, yeah,

649
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: mounts and shifts and office. You know the Kevin Bacon thing, right,

650
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: so like separation or whatever. But I never did ask

651
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: you about what you're doing with your Caribou mount. Yeah,

652
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. You're amounted, and um,

653
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: the issue with it is it's so big, um, And

654
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't have very tall ceilings in my house. Um

655
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: that it takes up like two thirds of the wall,

656
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: like from from the floor to the ceiling, the mount

657
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: takes up two thirds of it. Um. So it's actually

658
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: in our like dining room on the wall. And it

659
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: actually just started like the anchors that we had attached

660
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: to in the wall, one of them started pulling out,

661
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: so I just had to take it down. And it's

662
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: it's not on the wall right now. I gotta I

663
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: gotta figure out a better way to get a mounted

664
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: up there. But it's pretty cool seeing that thing every

665
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: day too and thinking back on that trip. What is this?

666
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Did you ever get that scored? Oh no, I've got

667
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: no idea. I've had no idea how to score one

668
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: of those things because it looks huge and I don't

669
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: know what. I saw a picture on Instagram the other

670
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: day of a guy who shot at Cariboo and he's like, hey,

671
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: this is Boone and Crockett caribou uh top seventy ever taken.

672
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: And and then I saw a picture of yours, and

673
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: yours look bigger than his. So I don't know, I

674
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's like that big because we

675
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: ended up, like the last day more maybe the last

676
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: two days of the trip, we saw another couple of

677
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: caribou that we're like, okay, yeah, that's definitely bigger than

678
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: the ones that we all shot. Um, so this is

679
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: definitely probably the top percentage or top couple percent of

680
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: all the carib balls we saw, but it wasn't the

681
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: very very biggest. But shoot, I don't care if this

682
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: thing was amazing and he tastes very good. Caribou meat

683
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: tastes very good right here. Yeah, definitely a hunt um

684
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: worth trying to get up and do someday. Um. I

685
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: don't know if how i'll her real do hunt quite

686
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: like that again, but it would be cool to get

687
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: up maybe on the north slope you can go up

688
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: there's that Hall road you can do a hunt off

689
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: of or something like that awesome country. So but um, but, dear, dear, dear,

690
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about your

691
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: goals right now as far as what you're gonna be doing,

692
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: because we talked to the very end of the two

693
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen season kind of about reviewing the past year,

694
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: and we looked forward a little bit into two thousand

695
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: and eighteen. But now that we're a couple of months in,

696
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: where's your head as far as big changes you're making?

697
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Like already at least maybe maybe you haven't done this yet,

698
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: but I've already been thinking a lot through different things

699
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing differently, like my main projects

700
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I want to work on already this spring and summer.

701
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Is there anything already top of mind for you that

702
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: you're focused on? Well, I'm fat right now, and I've

703
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: just gotten into a good you know, and each have

704
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: eased in to a good workout routine where I'm starting

705
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: to build a strength up in my legs again because

706
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: as of right now, I am going to be going

707
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: to Colorado for an elk hunt and yeah, and it's

708
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: in some really steep ship, so um, you know, I

709
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: can't I'm not going to be able to just walk

710
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: up in there and say, you know, similar to what

711
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: similar to what? Uh? You know? Our Idaho trip. How

712
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: you know that elevation hits you if you're not used

713
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: to it, and mentally it's almost like you've been defeated.

714
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: And I worked my ass off as far as my

715
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: legs were concerned getting ready for that trip. But that elevation, right,

716
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: you can't you can't prepare for that. So I'm just

717
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: again gonna try to get into the best shape of

718
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: my life, try to lose some weight, and uh, you know,

719
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do it all without taking any

720
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: gym selfies. Yeah, that's the challenge, right man. I'm just

721
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: we're just not that typed in. I mean, I just

722
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: don't think either one of us would look very good

723
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: in them either. I mean I can, and maybe I

724
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: should just do it anyway and see what happens. Just

725
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: start taking a ship ton of jim selfies. I am

726
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: such a weirdough that my jim selfies like Okay. So

727
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: so my workout is every morning, I get up and

728
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: even I'm even trying to do this, even with the

729
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: kid um. First thing I do is I get up

730
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: and I just go to my office and I'm wearing

731
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: my pajama pants and a T shirt and and sometimes

732
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I put on like some running shoes and then I

733
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: take like twenty thirty minutes and I just throw a

734
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: timer on and I just do a bunch of different

735
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: body weight stuff, just like jogging in place, jumping, Jack's

736
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: set ups, push ups, a whole bunch of different things

737
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: like that. Um, that is my workout. So if I

738
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: was taking jim selfies, it would be me in my

739
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: office wearing pajamas with like a twenty pound weight. Like

740
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: I'm a big tough guy. So that's just not gonna

741
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: play real well on Instagram. I don't think. No, that

742
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: might that might even get like the state involved, right

743
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: or Instagram pretty much says Okay, dude, enough with this

744
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: uh profanity. What you talked about our Idaho trip and

745
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: you talked about how that was challenging for you. So

746
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: now that you worked your tail off before that trip,

747
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: but still I think that you know, like you just said,

748
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: it was you even like the first day or two

749
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you're like, whoa, you were a little bit mentally defeated.

750
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: Um So, knowing what you know now now that you've

751
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: done it once, how are you changing how you prepare?

752
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: What are you doing differently? Well? You just you you

753
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: can you can prepare all you want, right, But if

754
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: you live in three hundred foot elevation, like I think

755
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: where I'm at is maybe I don't even know, like

756
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: seven feet above sea level, that's what where I'm at.

757
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: And then you're trying to go up to ten thousand feet.

758
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, unless I have some kind of oxygen deprivation chamber,

759
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm I can't really prepare for that part of it, right.

760
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: So I mean last time, I, you know, I had

761
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: a ship ton of weight in packs and I would

762
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: go on like four mile hikes. I do that a

763
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: couple of times a week, just to get the legs

764
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: used to you know, get them worn out, try to

765
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: get them tired. I did, uh, you know, I lifted weights,

766
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I did some cardio that kind of stuff. And it's

767
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: just continuing to do that same thing. And and then

768
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: I guess prepare mentally. So the last time when I

769
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: when I went to Idaho, the time before that that

770
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: I was there was like seven or ten years ago,

771
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: so I completely forgot what elevation it was like, you

772
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: know that the elevation change was like I completely so

773
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: it shocked me again. Now I know what it's like,

774
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: and I think I can you know, better prepare for

775
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: it since the increment in you know, the time increment

776
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: in between those trips it was shorter. We've we've touched

777
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: on it a little bit over the years, But how

778
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: much do you think physical fitness impacts your deer hunting?

779
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: Like my dear hunting in Iowa, you know, right right?

780
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: I think physical fitness is it makes everything easier. Is

781
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: it necessary? No? I mean I if I know that

782
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: when I'm in better shape and eating healthy throughout a

783
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: hunting season, I'm more alert in the stand. It's easier

784
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: to do my running gun setups. Now, I've also had

785
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: seasons where going into the season I was fat as

786
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: ship and out of shape and eating poorly, and it

787
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: was almost like I had to force my body to

788
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: get back into the swing of things. You know, you're

789
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: just sweating setting up your tree stands, and you're tired

790
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: in the stand and you're falling asleep and stuff like that.

791
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: So what I will say, as far as you know,

792
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: and I can speak on the tree stand style of hunting,

793
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: that I do the running gun tree stand style. It's

794
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: easier if you're in better shape, but it's not necessary

795
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: because I think it was in two thousand and twelve

796
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: when I ended up killing uh one of my bucks

797
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: that's sitting here on the wall. I was really out

798
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: of shape, and I I don't know, like I just

799
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: remember struggling, not necessarily struggling, but the hikes in and

800
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: the hikes out were more of a challenge as opposed

801
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: to other years when I was in really good shape,

802
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: like two thousand thirteen or two thousand and fourteen, when

803
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: I was actually in some of the best shape of

804
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: my life. Because I was taking these these workout classes

805
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: that you're going to say these steroids, I thought you're

806
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: just gonna come right out and say it. Yeah, dude,

807
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: I was juice and real heavy, and everything was easy

808
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: for me. That's the secret, that's the that's right. But yeah, dude,

809
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: I think I think physical fitness is good for everything.

810
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Right if your if your body is strong and prepared prepared,

811
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: then your mind is also prepared in a way. But

812
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't don't but I don't think it's necessary and

813
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: certain you know, I agree. I think that I think

814
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: it makes everything easier. And if that's like one less

815
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: thing you need to worry about, it's a good thing.

816
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: You know. They're they're so there's so many variables outside

817
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: of our control when it comes to deer hunting, especially

818
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: these mature bucks, that if your physical fitness is one

819
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: thing you don't need to worry about, if you don't

820
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: need to worry about kind of make it up this hill,

821
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: or can I hike in with my tree stand on

822
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: my back all the way to that tough to reach area,

823
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: if those things are yeah, absolutely, no questions like that's

824
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I'd rather be in that situation

825
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: than than struggling to do the things I know I

826
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: should be doing. So at the same time, I don't

827
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: think you need to be Cameron Hayes. Nothing not nothing

828
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: against you know, taking it very seriously. Good for you

829
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: if you want to do that, but it's not absolutely

830
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: necessary to take at that level either. I want to

831
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: ask you a question. We've never really discussed this. And

832
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: when me and you went out to Idaho, you had

833
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: already been out west that entire summer fishing and hiking,

834
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: and you've been you were somewhat acclimated to the elevation,

835
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: and your legs are strong because you were up in

836
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: the mountains doing a lot of hiking and backpacking, and

837
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: then here I come and I know you were waiting

838
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: for me, right, I was, No, honestly I was. We

839
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: were not the same. Not only are you taller than

840
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: me and you cover more ground per stride, but I

841
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was gassed within the first mile of

842
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: that hike into camp, and you you know, you were

843
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: having to wait for me a lot, and you were

844
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: having to wait for me during the hunts as well.

845
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: What was what was going through your head on that trip? Well,

846
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: I think the only thing it was just like there's

847
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, uh, like Dan's gonna struggle,

848
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: and that is just to do a hunt like that.

849
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: It's really hard to pull off a hunt like that

850
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: if you're struggling, because you know, there's so many just

851
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: like we talked about the deer on an elk hunt,

852
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: there's so many things stacked against you already. Um, if

853
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: just getting around is a challenge, then you're gonna you're

854
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: gonna struggle even more so. I between that, um and

855
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: you did fine. Like I think what was good is

856
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: that like the first day or two you struggle especially.

857
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: I remember that first day, Um, like we set up

858
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: camp and then we went out for like a scouting hike.

859
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember that we set up camp and then

860
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: we went went off and did some glassing and then

861
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: hiking back after yeah, and then hiking back after dark.

862
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: I think I remember you stopping often and just being like,

863
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: you can't believe this. I don't know if I can

864
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: do this, And I was like, oh, man, um, but

865
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: like two days into it, after our after the after

866
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: the tent tobaccle, and after having to go back to

867
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: town and buy a new tent and dealing with the

868
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: rain and everything. What didn't press me though, is that

869
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: you just you kept slogging through it like it was

870
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: a it was a challenge for you, but you kept

871
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: you kept grinding, um, and you didn't give up. Like

872
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: there never was a time. I don't think I ever

873
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: can recall you once saying I can't do it or

874
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore. Um, you kept going.

875
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: So that was that was definitely admirable, and that the

876
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: it was a tough hunt in general, because the elk

877
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: just weren't low Low They're the one the few elk.

878
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: We did fine. We're way far off a high and

879
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: so we had we had our challenges ahead of us.

880
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: But um, but you you kept going, man. So I

881
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: was proud of you for that. I I talked to

882
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: myself when I get frustrated, like and I noticed that that,

883
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, when I especially when my when my tent

884
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: exploded pretty much and all that water was coming in

885
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: and we had to come off the mountain. I was

886
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: mentally almost defeated at that point, like how am I

887
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: going to make it through the next four days? Soaking wet?

888
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: And you know, now I gotta go. You know, we're

889
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: off the mountain, going into uh Jackson to get a

890
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: tent that I paid seven hundred dollars. Yeah, you got

891
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: fleeced on that one, but oh man, oh I needed it.

892
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: And uh so so anyway, you know, it's just boom

893
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: like I got shipped on right away. And so like

894
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: for me, I don't like to fail. So I had

895
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: my my inner voice talking ship to me, basically calling

896
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: myself a pussy the entire time. I'm like, pussy, don't

897
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: you quit. You're just a huge you know, you're a

898
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: woos You're don't quit. You want to quit, don't you?

899
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: And I was just like, mentally, that's what I was

900
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: saying to myself, you know, like you can't quit, your pussy.

901
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: You know, you just keep going, don't quit, don't quit.

902
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: And I was even talking out loud at some points

903
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: doing that, and I think that's what kept me motivated.

904
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: And and man, it worked because you kept going and

905
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: I we kept it. Wasn't like at any point we

906
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: said all right, well this is tough, we're just gonna

907
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: stay here. It was we still kept chasing him. I

908
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: remember that one day it was still raining and I

909
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we need to go up this ridge.

910
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: And we kept going up, up, up, up up that

911
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: one ridge. I called it Stinkridge. I don't remember if

912
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: you remember that, but um, we finally saw a couple

913
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: of bulls across on the opposite ridge, so across the valley,

914
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, we're gonna go after him.

915
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: So we went diving down into that steep ravine where

916
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: they saw those moose, and then cranking all the way

917
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: up the other side. Yeah, and it was wet and

918
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: we were slipping and falling and it was and that

919
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: was a tough little get up and you kept at

920
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: it so that that picture that that's selfie that we

921
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: took at the top of that when after we dropped down,

922
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: after we went all the way back up and then

923
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: we got to that clearing and we made that decision,

924
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: well we can keep we can just keep going up,

925
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: or let's just go you know where we go back

926
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: and regroup for the next time where I will I

927
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: haven't framed it yet, but that is something that I

928
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: will always remember and form my entire life. Is how

929
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: physically demanding that that. I don't know if it was.

930
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: I think it was a morning hunt because we were,

931
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, and getting to the top of that and

932
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: you could just see it in her face. Is that

933
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: we were just worn out. And but I tell you

934
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: what it was. It was fun. Though it's definitely type

935
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: too fun looking back on, it's a lot more fun

936
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: than in the moment sometimes. But yeah, man, that was.

937
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: It was cool seeing those moose and it's uh god,

938
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: if I remember that was the rain just would not stop.

939
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: We kept hoping that we could get a break from it.

940
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: You were wearing a black trash bag, literally wearing a

941
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: trash bag, So yeah, the deck stacked against you. But hey,

942
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if that's and I know it

943
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: can get worse than that, but if you know, it

944
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: kind of evens out from here. My next hunt even

945
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: if it's half as bad as that, it's still gonna

946
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: seem pretty damn cool, you know, yeah, yeah, for sure. Alright,

947
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: let's is here for our final break of the day

948
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: forward from our partners at White Tailed Properties and Spencer

949
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: new Hearth will take it from here this week. With

950
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: White Tail Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason, a

951
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: land specialist out of Illinois, and Justine is going to

952
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: be telling us about what are some often overlooked things

953
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: that buyers forget to communicate with their agents. You know,

954
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: I think oftentimes buyers overlooked the fact that they're already

955
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: working with me as an agent. So if they're browsing

956
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: online and they see a property that they like, they

957
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: may just kind of impulse and call that other agent,

958
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: and then they forget to mention that they're working with

959
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: me as their agents. So they ask all these questions

960
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: and then call me back and and tell me the news.

961
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: And I said, well, did you first tell them that

962
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: you're working with me? Um, just so that you don't

963
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: step on the other agents toe. So that's probably the

964
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: most common overlooked thing that buyers, you know, forget to

965
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: tell me as their agent. If you'd like to learn

966
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Justin currently has

967
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white Tail properties dot com. Backslash

968
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: Mason that's m a s O. N Ah, So you're

969
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: gonna do a Colorado Elk count I I'm leaning towards

970
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: trying to pull in an Elk cut maybe in early

971
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: September with I still want to do my Western white

972
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: tail trip this year. I don't have details figured out

973
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: yet quite but I might try to do a double

974
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Montana trip Montana Whitetail and Montana Elk again. Um So

975
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: we'll see on that. But well, well there's a whole

976
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of things I've been like just

977
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: sitting like dreaming about. Like I'm at that stage of

978
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: my year where I'm just dreaming about all the different

979
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: things i want to try to do this yere, you know. Um,

980
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: so I've got this year. I should draw an Iowa

981
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: tag if I want it, but I'm considering not. I

982
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Part of me is like, yes, I definitely

983
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: gotta go to Io because a bunch of my buddies

984
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: are gonna draw this year, and you know, our friends

985
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: down there, it's fun to get to hunt near them. Um.

986
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: But I also have got all these other ideas. So

987
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: here's an interesting trip idea, okay that I'm gonna do,

988
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: excuse me, And we're gonna have a podcast actually about

989
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: this very soon. Um if if it should be next

990
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: week's episode, we're gonna have a whole podcast about this.

991
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: So I won't talk too much about it because we're

992
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna talk a whole bunch about next week. UM. But

993
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: take this idea, and Dan, let me know what you

994
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: think about this. Me and my buddy Andy are going

995
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: to go to northern Minnesota to the Boundary Waters Canoe

996
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: Area wilderness and we're gonna do a canoe in back

997
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: country whitetail hunt. So get all your gear in a canoe,

998
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: canoe up through lakes and portage across from lake to

999
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: lake to lake, and go up a river and back

1000
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: back back back into this massive wilderness area, UM where

1001
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: there's no motorized vehicles allowed, nothing like that. UM into

1002
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: big woods northern Minnesota wilderness where there's moose and wolves

1003
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: and some big bodied old white tails if you can

1004
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: find them and live out there for a week. UM.

1005
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped about that. And that's that's what I think.

1006
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this time this year in October. Um,

1007
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to pull off that hunt. And um,

1008
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I've gotten more and more excited about trying to like

1009
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: do some like unique white tail things. So do like

1010
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: kind of adventure white tail hunts. So so this is

1011
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: like my canoe and white tail hunt. UM I want

1012
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: to do. I want to go into the big woods

1013
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: of like Maine or something and do one of these

1014
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: tracking hunts where you track a buck through big public

1015
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: land stuff. Um. I want to do a backpacking mountain

1016
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: white tail hunt someday. I don't think do it this year,

1017
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: but it'd be awesome to go to like northern Idaho

1018
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: or one of these areas we can find big white

1019
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: tails and like cutovers at like eight thousand feet or

1020
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: something up in these mountains and backpack up in there

1021
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: like you're doing an elk hunt, but chase white tails. Um,

1022
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: that's something I want to do. I want to do.

1023
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Um more planes white tail hunting. I love the Great Plains,

1024
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: so I want to do. I think when I think

1025
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna white tail hunt this year might be

1026
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: more of like planes, bad lands breaks type area white

1027
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: tail hunt. Um. So I don't know I've just been

1028
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: brainstorming all these different ways of like doing a really

1029
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: cool white tail hunt. But it's like very different than

1030
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: the usual thing I do here close to home. So

1031
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of where my head has been at recently. Like,

1032
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: you know what else, I want to do a Coustier hunt,

1033
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: which is, um, you know, basically like a desert It's

1034
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: a desert white tail. It's a small desert white tail

1035
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: down in like Arizona or New Mexico. So I'm wondering

1036
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: about how I might be able to pull that off

1037
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: next January. Um. So, my my brains, my wheels, and

1038
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: my brain are turning a lot. But the one that

1039
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm for sure doing is going to be this boundary

1040
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: waters trip. That sounds pretty sweet, doesn't it. Oh? Yeah, absolutely.

1041
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I just want to like I love up to the

1042
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: stage now or okay here, like here are things that

1043
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: I want to accomplish one this year. You know, I

1044
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: talk a lot about you know, age structure. Right, we

1045
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: want to try to kill a mature deer, or you know,

1046
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: we want to kill an old deer or the right dear.

1047
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm gonna just stop thinking about

1048
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: it in depth, and I'm just gonna shoot a deer

1049
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: that makes me go like whoa, you know what I mean. Like,

1050
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna put any real goal out there.

1051
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm just going to be if that makes sense, and

1052
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna if I see a deer that I

1053
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: want to shoot right then and there. Yeah, I'm gonna

1054
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: have a maybe a hit list put together before and

1055
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: if that deer comes by, But if another deer comes

1056
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: by and I get excited and I'm happy about it

1057
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna shoot it, I'm gonna shoot it. You know,

1058
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that because, oh gosh, don't know,

1059
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: this would have been like eight years ago or something.

1060
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw you was on a

1061
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: hunting DVD and you were you had just shot a

1062
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: big I think it was like a two by four

1063
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: buck or something like that, if I remember right, And

1064
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: you shot that deer and you turned to the camera

1065
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: and you said that buck made me go, oh, so

1066
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: I shot it, and that like I got such a

1067
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: kick out of that, and like your motion and just

1068
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: that like authenticity in that moment was like I like

1069
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: that guy. And many years later, here we are and

1070
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: you're and you've come you've you've been on some interesting

1071
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of journey since that point, and now you're thinking

1072
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: about going back to that point. Um, that's interesting to me,

1073
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you know, I think a lot of

1074
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna play role like I'm not gonna shoot a

1075
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: two year old or a three year old, you know

1076
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm just gonna shoot what I want

1077
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: to shoot. Do you want to Are you open to

1078
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,479
Speaker 1: talking about what happened this year in generalities a little

1079
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: bit with the person who had some criticism for you?

1080
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: Is that something we can talk about or no? I mean, yeah,

1081
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: we can talk about it. I'm not gonna name the names,

1082
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: but I can we'll talk about it. I'm I'm game

1083
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: for that. So let me, let me, let me I'll

1084
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: put the very very vague thing out there and you

1085
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: can feel free to say whatever more you want. But

1086
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: someone that hunts near where you hunt saw the buck

1087
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: that you shot this past year and offered some comments

1088
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: or criticisms about the age of that, dear and express

1089
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: some thoughts about maybe it might be good for you

1090
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: to hold out for older dear. Is that a fair

1091
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: explanation of the situation and then or how would you

1092
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: explain the situation and then how what were your thoughts

1093
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: on how it was put to you? What was your

1094
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: um how did you take it? What do you think

1095
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: going forward? Mm hmm. Man, it's a tough one, right

1096
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: because I kind of get where this person is coming from.

1097
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: All right, So I hunt in an area where there

1098
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: is management, really really good management in different parts like

1099
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: to the west of my farm or too. Yeah, to

1100
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 1: to the south, to the west, to the north are

1101
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: a little ways. Is all really good management. So I

1102
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: hunt in a decent neighborhood. Now you can't say decent, Well,

1103
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: you're hunting one of the greatest neighborhoods in the country. Well,

1104
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that, but dude, only because some like

1105
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: there are properties in between these these really big manage.

1106
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: But yes, I do get good residual off of what

1107
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: comes through, right, I'll say that. Now I got access

1108
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: to a new farm and I didn't have I didn't

1109
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: put trail cameras on it. I only hunted it one

1110
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: time before, and uh in a completely different area. So

1111
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: I did a run gun in there, you know, and

1112
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: you guys know the story. I shot a buck that

1113
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: was really small. I'm thinking it could have been a

1114
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: two year old. You know, it was definitely a three

1115
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: year old, could have even been a two year old,

1116
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: but it had superior genetics. I mean it was a

1117
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: it might be like on two year old, right, maybe

1118
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, so, yeah, so it's a stud posted

1119
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram, right, that's what everybody does. I get an

1120
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: email or not an email, but a text message from

1121
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: uh someone in the neighborhoods basically saying, hey, I just

1122
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: want to let you know that you shot a very

1123
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: young deer and it was it had great potential. Now

1124
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: we'll never basically now we'll never get to see what

1125
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: that um you know what that deer turns into. Um,

1126
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm into shooting big mature bucks. And then

1127
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: he gets into like the score right, and he's like, Okay,

1128
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: here's a here's a four year old that I passed,

1129
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: right and it was one of the biggest year I've

1130
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life on trail camera. Yeah, I'm

1131
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at this picture that he sends me,

1132
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, hey, if you ever need

1133
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: to know what's in your you know, what's in the area,

1134
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: let me know that way you have a better idea

1135
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: of what to shoot right, And so then there's some

1136
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: images that start coming to my phone of these giants

1137
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: that not one person in their right mind would ever pass, right,

1138
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: would ever pass and saying, you know this buck went

1139
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: from And so what comes to my mind is, uh, dude,

1140
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: are you asking me to pass a hundred and nine

1141
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: the inch four year old because that will never happen, right,

1142
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: this person, you know, the some of the ground around

1143
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: me and their their landowners are on a different level.

1144
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: They're on a level that is one percent. Right. When

1145
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: you have thousands of acres to manage and you have

1146
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want if you want to

1147
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: pass a five or six year old deer and see

1148
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: what they turn into, just to see what they turn into.

1149
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: These people aren't hunting for one seventies anymore. They're hunting

1150
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: for two d Yeah, I mean, you're in a it's

1151
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: a totally different world, totally different world. It's totally not word.

1152
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: It's a totally different world than even most places in Iowa,

1153
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: let alone the rest of the country. Um So, I

1154
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: know I want to be to be fair to this

1155
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: person who texted you, h And it depends on how

1156
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: you take it. But I mean he did say I

1157
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: probably if I remember, because I read the text he

1158
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: did saying, I apologize if this comes off as may

1159
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: be a jerk, I don't mean I don't mean it

1160
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: to be that way. He said some stuff like that,

1161
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: so I think he I think this person in fact, okay, yeah,

1162
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: like after I replied back, like, I replied back, got it,

1163
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: That's all I read back after like the huge emails, right,

1164
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: And yes, they managed to a new level, and they

1165
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: want to be with the neighbors, you know, they want

1166
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: to you know. And I would do the same thing,

1167
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: not to that extreme, but I would be like, hey,

1168
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm managing for a certain dear over here.

1169
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want to do because these

1170
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: are not my dear. You know. That was mentioned after

1171
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: the fact, you know. And I did get an apology

1172
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: from from that person, basically saying, you know, hey, I

1173
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: apologize in a text, I apologize for those you know,

1174
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: for that comment. You know, I should have congratulated you instead.

1175
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: I you know, I started talking about management because it

1176
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: is so hard and whatever. You know, I'm not on that.

1177
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm not on that level. I doubt I'll ever be

1178
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: on that level, but it it made me upset because

1179
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: how is the average guy. I'm putting myself in the

1180
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: average Joe category. Yes, I get to like, you take

1181
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: the state out of it, right, and you have large

1182
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: pieces of public ground or excuse me, of highly managed

1183
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: ground in any state, you're going going to be getting

1184
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: Look even in your neighborhood. Mark, if you had your

1185
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: neighbor in one direction had a thousand acres of man

1186
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: highly managed property, the caliber of deer on that property

1187
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: are going to be higher than what you're used to.

1188
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: So if that person said to you, well, hey, you

1189
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't you probably shouldn't you know, shoot that that deer?

1190
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have shot that deer? I mean, who gives you?

1191
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: What gives you the right to say that to me?

1192
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? No, I I can understand.

1193
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: I can understand your perspective. Um that that right there

1194
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: is a part of what drives me crazy about the

1195
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: hunting industry. In the hunting community as a whole, we

1196
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: put all this emphasis on antlers because it's going to

1197
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: we feel that you know, if you shot a two deer,

1198
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: it would do big things for wired to hunt, wouldn't it?

1199
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, can can? Would you? Would you admit that

1200
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: if you shot a two d in deer wired to

1201
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: hunt would get a bump in some way, shape or form.

1202
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: I guess that's fair to say that. Yeah, I mean

1203
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: people have more interest in the deer like that, so

1204
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: probably stuff will get shared, more, more people to talk

1205
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: about it, more people to see the pictures. So yeah, sure, right.

1206
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: So in the past five years, three years whatever, q

1207
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: d m A stats, we've lost three million nurs. So

1208
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: now what we're doing is we're everything is focused on

1209
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: on antler size and it drives me crazy that antler

1210
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: size is a big thing. It's it's a it's almost

1211
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: like it defines somebody. This person is shot, uh, this

1212
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: person is shot fourteen Boone and Crocketts, this person has

1213
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, shot a hundred and thirty poping youngs or whatever.

1214
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, if I am

1215
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: labeled as one of the greatest deer hunters, and that's it, Man,

1216
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: I failed at life because I don't want to. I

1217
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: don't care. I want to be a good husband, I

1218
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: want to be a good father. I want to you know, friend,

1219
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't think you need to

1220
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: worry about anyone labeling you that way, you know what

1221
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean. But generally speaking, I'm just like I just

1222
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: I get rubbed the wrong way a little bit when

1223
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: and and I come off as a hypocrite because I

1224
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 1: hunt in the greatest white tail state, in a very

1225
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: good neighborhood, and I have access to great ground, and

1226
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: I you know, I get pictures of giant deer on

1227
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: trail camera every year, And I mean, and and you

1228
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: get excited about really big deer, and you talk about

1229
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: the big deer, and I mean, and so so I

1230
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: agree with you. I have the same concerns, but at

1231
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: the same time, to your point, I also understand why

1232
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: people get excited about that because there's something. Yeah, it's rare,

1233
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: it's special, it's unique, and it's just it is. A

1234
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: deer with a large or unique rack is just a

1235
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: cool thing to see and to learn about and to chase. Um.

1236
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: So so I see things in both angles. And then

1237
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: I also see, like the the management side of things,

1238
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: so not antlers, but age. I see that. But then

1239
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: I also see how do we how do we talk

1240
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: about management in the in the benefits of management um

1241
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: which might lead to bigger, older deer, How do we

1242
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: talk about that in a way that is educational but

1243
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: does not put down or make newer hunters or hunters

1244
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: with different goals feel bad about what they're doing or

1245
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: be discouraged about what they're doing. Um. Because yeah, I

1246
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: think you should hunt for whatever you want to hunt

1247
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: for and have a good time, you know, don't get

1248
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: so obsessed with all this stuff. But at the same time,

1249
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: if you're into trying to find a big old buck,

1250
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: or if you like antlers, I'm not gonna hold that

1251
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: against you either because because I do too, right. Um,

1252
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: but if it if the antlers are a result, if

1253
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: the end result of an antler is belittling or a

1254
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: negative comment or thinking that you're better than somebody else

1255
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: or you know all those there's like all these negative

1256
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: connotations that go with it, then that's not good. Yeah,

1257
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's the that's the key. I

1258
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 1: think it's I And who am I to say any this?

1259
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: This is just my personal opinion. But I'm all for

1260
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: having goals and whatever kind of goals. You want to do,

1261
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: what you want, what you want, have your own goals,

1262
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: chase whatever it is you want to chase. Um. I'm

1263
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: also all for, though, like sharing, Hey, here's the benefits

1264
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: to certain management things. Here's the benefits to trying to

1265
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, have a balanced age structure, or this is

1266
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: why it might be a good thing to think about

1267
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: ecologically to try to have older deer, Like there's a

1268
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: lot of health benefits to the deer herd and stuff.

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01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: So so this is why I'm doing what I'm doing.

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01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: I'll say, like, Okay, this is what I'm doing. Here's

1271
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: why I'm doing it. Um, you don't need to do

1272
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: any of those things, but hey, for food for thought,

1273
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: here's what's going on. I think if we can start

1274
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: having our conversations more in that kind of way, like

1275
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: this is what I do, this is why I'm into it.

1276
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: Here's some ideas, but not so much of this putting

1277
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: down other people or talking down to other people or that,

1278
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: Like some of those conversations in that text message that

1279
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: came through were the benefit of the person who sent it,

1280
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: were to the benefit of the person who sent it,

1281
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: right I I I shot that on twenty acres the

1282
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: other person had access to, so maybe even more so,

1283
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, the reason that comment was made I feel

1284
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: was it was I dude, I get it. I understand

1285
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: how maturity works. I understand that you should wait and

1286
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: try to shoot a mature dear. I did not shoot

1287
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: the mature deer. I it was an accident. Basically, Uh,

1288
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: it happens to everybody. I'm I don't I'm not going

1289
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: to take that away from the deer. I'm not gonna say, oh,

1290
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: I should have never shot this dear, because that that's

1291
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: very disrespectable, full to the animal. And and you learn

1292
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: from it, right, you just you gotta learn from it.

1293
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: So so how about this then, So let's let's flip

1294
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: the script a little bit and let's put ourselves in

1295
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: that person's shoes, or let's let's let's say that I am.

1296
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: I am a person who owns some land or maybe

1297
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: you just have at leaves or something, and I'm trying

1298
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: to manage deer and I'm trying to manage this area

1299
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: because you know, I understand a lot of the different

1300
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: things about the benefits of quality dear management, and I'd

1301
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: like to see a healthier, more balance herd structure, and

1302
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: and yeah, you know what, I also do like seeing

1303
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: big deer because they are rare, they're unique, they're cool.

1304
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. So I like, So let's

1305
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: let's even just say me, I have a nine d

1306
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: acre property that we talked about, a lot where this

1307
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: holy field deer is um and I don't own it.

1308
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of control, but I am

1309
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: the only person who can hunt it, and I can

1310
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: plan some food plots, and so I have personally have

1311
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: wanted it would be great if more people around me

1312
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: would have similar management goals as me. So I it

1313
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: would be it would be nice if more people had

1314
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: similar management goals. It would help the deer hunting. So

1315
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, like, how do you how do you

1316
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: go about doing there? How does someone who owns land

1317
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: who would like to encourage other people around to start having,

1318
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: you know, these types of conversations or to start maybe

1319
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: doing some of the similar things. And I think there's

1320
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: two ways people can go about it. I think there's

1321
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: one way, which is more so what you encountered, where

1322
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: someone sees what you shot and says, oh, well, you're

1323
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: never gonna see big bucks or we're never gonna get

1324
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: big bucks around here if you keep shooting all those bucks.

1325
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: Don't shoot little bucks. You gotta shoot if you want meat,

1326
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: to shoot a dough um. And they like attack you

1327
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: about it. I think that's gonna I think there's this

1328
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: there's a certain group of deer hunters out there who

1329
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: attack um when it comes to this topic of like

1330
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: what you choose to shoot. So people attack people for

1331
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: shooting small bucks, or they attack you if you don't

1332
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: have the same management goals, and that is giving quality

1333
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: deer management in general. It's given that idea a bad name,

1334
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: and it's making things a lot. It's just it's giving

1335
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: hunters a bad name. I think. UM, So, I personally

1336
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: think that going about things in that way is not

1337
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: helping anybody, and it's also not even helping that person

1338
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: achieve the goals they want. So even if if you

1339
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: want to have more people managing in a way that

1340
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: might offer more mature bucks, if that's what you're going for,

1341
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: then I think, my I'm curious about your thoughts on this,

1342
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: dand but my thought has always been to have open

1343
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: conversations with people. So just engage your neighbors. So hey, hey,

1344
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: first off, get to know your neighbors. So I've tried

1345
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: to get to my don't know my neighbors, become friends

1346
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: with them, share trail camera pictures, talk about some of

1347
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: the deer we're seeing, you know, just develop a relationship

1348
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: with their and then naturally it comes up the kinds

1349
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: of things that I'm doing. So, you know, I talk

1350
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: about the facts I've gotten to know some of my neighbors,

1351
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: and there are conversations I said, you know, I'm trying

1352
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: to it would be great to have a more balanced

1353
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: age structure around here. So I've stopped trying to shoot

1354
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: two and three year old bucks and I'm trying to

1355
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: hold out for four year old bucks. Um. And I'm

1356
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: not telling anyone else what to do, but they're starting

1357
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: to understand that that's what Mark's doing. And hey, here's

1358
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: a picture of a couple of bucks that have made

1359
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: it now to that age. Um. And in those kinds

1360
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: of things, and maybe passing along some information or some literature,

1361
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: or giving a membership again or like a gift membership

1362
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: to the Quality Deer Management Association, because you just lots

1363
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: of great educational content. I think those types of things

1364
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: like just great conversation, open conversation, and if they then

1365
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,959
Speaker 1: respond to that with intrigue, maybe they hear you say

1366
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: that you're passing two year old bucks or you're passing

1367
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: three year old bucks, and they might be maybe then

1368
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: they say, well, how do you do that? Yet we

1369
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: never see two year old or three year old bucks.

1370
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: And then there's your opportunity to say, well, I've tried

1371
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: a B and C and that seems to help, or

1372
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: I read this magazine and that seems to help, or

1373
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: whatever might be. Like, then there's this opportunity for a

1374
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: positive flow of information. But if you just get off

1375
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: the gate and attack or criticize someone because of what

1376
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: they're doing right away, you're shutting the gates. They're not

1377
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: going to be open to anything. Um, they're gonna call

1378
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: your prick and you're in and never listen to you again. Yeah.

1379
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: So so that's like how I've always tried to approach

1380
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: these types of things, because you know, sure it would

1381
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: be great if more if selfishly a little bit like

1382
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: it would be selfishly, it would be a positive thing

1383
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: for my own deer hunting if more people manage the

1384
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: same way I would like to manage now. I do

1385
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: think that it would benefit just the overall ecosystem. I

1386
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: think it would be better for the deer herd. I

1387
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: do think that probably for a lot of people, if

1388
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: they started doing some of the things, they probably really

1389
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: enjoy it too, But I'm not gonna make those assumptions,

1390
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to press anything on anyone else.

1391
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: Um right, that's my own take. What is your perspective

1392
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: if you could have if you flipped the script and

1393
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: you were this, you were the guy who had this

1394
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: great big manage land, how would you approach it now

1395
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: that you've been on the receiving end. Well, the first

1396
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: thing is right it I think a lot of it

1397
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: has to It depends on how many acres you actually have. Right,

1398
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: So if I own fortres and I and the person

1399
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: next to me was shooting you know, smaller box or

1400
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: whatever and and not doing what I would do or

1401
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 1: not do what I'm doing on my property, I'd probably

1402
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: have a conversation with them that would sound on something like, uh, hey, man,

1403
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: did you you know keep it simple? Right? Hey? Did

1404
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: you happen to see this buck? And be honest with him?

1405
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: Because if you if you start to lie and you know, hey,

1406
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: I didn't see any big bucks this year, well they're

1407
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna call bullshit on you because they're they're out there

1408
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: hunting to so they know what's running around just as

1409
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: much as you do. For the most part, you know,

1410
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: especially if they're running show cameras, so you just be

1411
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: honest with him. Hey, check this out. Here's what I did. Um,

1412
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: you know I found this, shet Antler, I think, what

1413
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: do you think? Do you think this looks like the

1414
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: same buck from the next year? Okay? Cool? You know

1415
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: you have these, you have these honest conversations with people

1416
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: right now. I think the conversation has to be a

1417
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: little bit different if your acreage is like from four

1418
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: to or fifty to about two thousand acres. Because if

1419
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: I go to someone and I have access to two

1420
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: thousand acres, and then I come to a neighbor who

1421
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: only you know, one of my neighbors, who's you know,

1422
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: twenty thirty even a hundred acres, and I say, hey,

1423
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: here's what I'm doing over there, you could easily come

1424
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: off as a prick. And because that person is gonna go, dude,

1425
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: you have why do you care? Would I shoot? You have?

1426
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Dear that big that don't even leave your property? Right,

1427
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: they never leave your property. They're born on your property,

1428
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: they die on your property. Right. That's that's how much

1429
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,440
Speaker 1: they have access to. Now, I think that the conversation

1430
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: has to be a little bit different. And if if,

1431
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: if the acreage is that much bigger, because you have

1432
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: to come you're coming off as you're now, you're trying

1433
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: to control the rest of the property around around them,

1434
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: and not just that big chunk that that that I own,

1435
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: let's say. And I think it just you have to

1436
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: start off slow. You have to know who you're talking to,

1437
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: and and just be be cool and be honest. Hey,

1438
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: did you see the big boy this year? No? I

1439
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't see the big boy here. Let me show you

1440
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: a picture of him, and be honest, and you show

1441
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: him the picture, and yes, that's on their property. And

1442
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that they'll never see that, dear

1443
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if they do, you've just you know,

1444
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: you just become friends with them. Hunt hunting. Hunting is

1445
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: becoming like the secretive, right, It's like, oh man, I

1446
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: gotta be gotta be quiet about my spots. Yes, I

1447
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: get some of that stuff, but it's almost like we're

1448
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: not a community anymore at that point. We're individuals and

1449
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: we need to be a community. Yeah, and any of

1450
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: that makes sense. No, I blacked out it all. It

1451
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: all made sense. And I think you're I think you're right,

1452
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: and I think that not only is that good for

1453
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: the larger hunting community, but I think the long run,

1454
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: it'll also just make it a more enjoyable experience for

1455
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: you personally too, because as soon as you as soon

1456
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 1: as you shift from an adversarial relationship with your neighbors

1457
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: to a collaborative relationship, it just becomes more fun, you know,

1458
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: because Number one, if you have a positive relationship, the

1459
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: chances of something bad going on like trespassing or or

1460
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: shed poaching or what are poaching? Those things go down

1461
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: Once you have a positive relationship with your neighbors, So

1462
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Number Two, you might actually end

1463
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: up making friends or like you said, just Bill, have

1464
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: a fun opportunity to share pictures, to share stories, to

1465
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: do things like that. And then number three and I

1466
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: shot the big one. I shot the big one. Hey,

1467
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll be over to come help you drag him out

1468
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: of the woods. Yeah exactly. I mean think making that

1469
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: a positive versus oh jeez, you know, that's a lot better.

1470
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: And then not to mention it might also if you

1471
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: approach it in in a positive way, it might also

1472
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: result in the management goals that you want to maybe

1473
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: because you do become friends with Joe next door, and

1474
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: because over the course of a year or two he

1475
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: ends up seeing what you're doing and hearing about where

1476
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: you're doing and gets interested and says, hey, how could

1477
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: I do more of this on my spot? Um, And

1478
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: then you get to talk about what you do, and

1479
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Joe next door he starts

1480
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: managing for four year olds too, And then who knows,

1481
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe his neighbor finds out that Joe is doing all

1482
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: this and and hands doing all this, and man, they

1483
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: keep seeing these nice bucks. I've always wanted to maybe

1484
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: see some older deer, and uh, maybe I should try

1485
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: that too, And then all of a sudden the stuff

1486
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: starts to starts to grow and expand. But that never

1487
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: happens if you go into it with an attack mode

1488
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: adversarial type approach, that it's just it's just not gonna work, right.

1489
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: And that's kind of I'll be honest, that's kind of

1490
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: what happened with me. You know, it came off and

1491
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: whether that was his intention or not. Hell, and we

1492
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: all know that emails and text messages, dude, if they're

1493
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: red wrong, and you know what I mean, it's tough

1494
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: interpretation can can vary widely, and that kind of absolutely

1495
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: absolutely so, so I kind of was put off and

1496
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: I just was I kind of shut the door at

1497
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: that point. I'm just like, Okay, well, I guess I

1498
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: don't need to communicate with you anymore. And I don't know,

1499
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens from there. Yeah, I UM, it's

1500
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: a tricky topic and it's it's something that I think

1501
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people experience, um and it's something that

1502
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: I think as land. Going back to what we talked

1503
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: about way at the beginning of the episode, as access

1504
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: to land gets harder and harder and more people start

1505
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: leasing land or start buying lands just so they have

1506
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: a place they can go, that ramps all these things

1507
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: up even more because if you're paying money for a spot,

1508
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: then you might care even more about what's happening on

1509
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: it or around it. And you've got all these people

1510
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: that are really really into deer hunting and have all

1511
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: these really strong goals, and they've invested lots of time

1512
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: and money into it, and they see everything in the

1513
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: media talking about big box, big box, big box. It

1514
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: gets this point where everyone's at this weird boiling point

1515
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: UM that in the end, oftentimes is not fun oftentimes

1516
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: it you know, it makes the guide do things. Yeah,

1517
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: it leads to greed, and it makes people do things

1518
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: that you know they normally want to have done, like

1519
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe hop over that fence a couple of yards, or

1520
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe throw some corn out, or you know, do some

1521
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: things that you know they could potentially prevent them from

1522
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 1: ever hunting again. Yeah. And I think in a time

1523
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: when we need to be working harder to bring in

1524
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: new hunters and not lose more hunters, and this is

1525
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: something that we just need to be thinking about. Um

1526
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: And if you yeah, yeah, yeah, do you That's something

1527
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: that I learned a lot, even from the two thousand

1528
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: sixteen season. I just the phrase you just gotta hunt

1529
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: your own hunt just keeps coming back to be more

1530
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: and more because I got so much criticism. This is

1531
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: the reverse when I chose to pass holy Field in

1532
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: December of two thousand sixteen, I got so much criticism

1533
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: for that, um that that was just like a great

1534
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: reminder to me of like, you know what you just get.

1535
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: You don't understand where I'm coming from. You don't understand

1536
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: my goals, you don't understand the experience I've had or

1537
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 1: the experience that I want to have. Just let me

1538
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: hunt my own hunt. You hunt your hunt. I'm not

1539
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what to do. Let me hunt my hunt,

1540
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: and don't tell me what to do. Um. And I

1541
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: just think that could be applied to the larger deer

1542
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: hunting community some times. UM. And yeah, it's there's a

1543
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: lot of like specific things that concern me a little bit,

1544
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: like when you get into these topics on like a

1545
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: grander scale, like trying to take a management objective and

1546
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: apply it to an entire state, um like Antler point

1547
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: restrictions or something where I understand the underlying benefits to

1548
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: these types of things, I understand the positives that can

1549
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: come from these things, and personally I like these things, UM,

1550
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,680
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes the way that people try to

1551
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: push them ends up really hurting the goal and the

1552
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: hurts the cause in the long run because they take

1553
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: this attack mode. And that's just that's what concerns me

1554
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 1: sometimes when I see that kind of stuff and things

1555
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: like what you just experienced happen. So I just I

1556
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: want to I want to be clear that, like you know,

1557
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: we we talk a lot about management, and we talk

1558
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: like I I find myself thinking about this a lot

1559
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: where dude, I like big racks, you know, like you said,

1560
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: I would love to shoot a bood and Crockett or

1561
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: a two or whatever. And when a big deer walks

1562
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: through the timber, I get excited. Um, and yes, I

1563
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: want to shoot. Uh, I want to shoot a four

1564
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: year old. I wanna you know, I want to do

1565
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: all these things that I talk about, But at no

1566
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: way ever do I The first thing you should do,

1567
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: I should do. You should do everybody listening should do.

1568
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: If they see someone shoot a deer and that person

1569
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: is happy because they shot it, congratulations, man, that should

1570
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: be the very first thing. Like I, I often come

1571
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: off as a I feel like I come off as

1572
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: a hypocrite at times, because you know, we talk a

1573
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: lot about maturity. We talk a lot about um, you know,

1574
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: big bucks and antlers, and I show these pictures of

1575
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: some of the deer that I have on on my

1576
01:23:55,400 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: my property. But I just I don't know. It's uh,

1577
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like us. It's like it's like surfing,

1578
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: like the movie Point Break with Patrick Swayze and he's

1579
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: just like, dude, it's the journey, right, It's all about

1580
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: the journey. It's not about the wave, It's about the journey.

1581
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: Wise words. Why is the words from point break right there?

1582
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: It's true though, man, And I think everyone's just gotta

1583
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm all about everybody's got to take their

1584
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: own journey. Yeah, take your own journey. I'm and have

1585
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: your own goals. I mean, I am. We've talked all

1586
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: this often. I'm all about goals. I'm very goal oriented,

1587
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: so I like to have my own goals, but I

1588
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: don't want to push those on anybody else. Everyone else.

1589
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: You had to hunt your own hunt, do your own thing,

1590
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: ride your own wave with Patrick Swayzee, whatever you want

1591
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: to do. And you know, and that being said, my

1592
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: goal sometimes changed too. So you know, I've sometimes approach

1593
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: hunting seasons with goals like an age goal in an area. Um.

1594
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: I've sometimes thought of, you know, to some degree, I'd

1595
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: like to challenge myself and would like to kill a

1596
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote bigger buck um than I did last time.

1597
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes like Okay, in Michigan, I haven't killed anything, you know,

1598
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: over would be awesome to kill papang buck in Michigan

1599
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: finally or whatever it might be. And that's arbitrary, Yes,

1600
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter but I like to set goals.

1601
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with it, I don't think. UM. But

1602
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm also going the other way

1603
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: sometimes where now I'm looking at and planning certain trips

1604
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: where going into it, I don't care about age or

1605
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 1: size as much. Like this back this Boundary Waters trip

1606
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: I want to do, I'm already thinking I'm going in

1607
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 1: that with anything goes type mentality, like I just want

1608
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: to go on that. I want to have that experience.

1609
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: And I'd like to kill any deer deep in the

1610
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: big woods of the Boundary Waters and corner of the

1611
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: Sucker Up and put him in a canoe and canoe

1612
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: out fifteen miles and portage with him on my back.

1613
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: So if a spike buck came through on that kind

1614
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: of trip, that would still be a really awesome hunting

1615
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: experience that I would love to have. UM And I

1616
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: don't think anyone should criticize me for that. UM And

1617
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: And you know, in a public land hunt in Montana

1618
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: where maybe I shot a two or three year old buck,

1619
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: UM like this. I can't remember if we talked about

1620
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: this or not, but when I went to Montana last

1621
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: year on that trip, I can I went into it

1622
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: with like really high expectations, like I based on the

1623
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: hunt I had the year before and based on like

1624
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: some scouting i'd done, I was like, you know what,

1625
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: I bet you can kill like a hud buck easy,

1626
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: Like I want to shoot a a no brainer, like

1627
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: a buck that I see that's like, oh, no doubt

1628
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: about it. It was like what I thought, And so

1629
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: because of that, I passed on a bunch of like

1630
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: nice bucks that probably body size there, it's a little

1631
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: I had a hard time judging body size because a

1632
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of these deer out there are smaller bodied than

1633
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: our Midwestern bucks. So when I was looking at them,

1634
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I was like, it's probably young deer. Probably young deer.

1635
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: When I went back and looked at video after seeing

1636
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: all these deer and being able to compare them to others,

1637
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: and now I'm kind of like, okay, I was probably

1638
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: like a mature buck. It wasn't really big antler deer.

1639
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: It was like a hundred inch hundred ten inch eight pointer,

1640
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 1: But that that could have been a three or four

1641
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: year old buck that I passed. Um. Looking back, I

1642
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I should have shot that bucklet what

1643
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: that would have been an awesome experience to kill another

1644
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: public land buck out there that I was waiting a

1645
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:09,839
Speaker 1: river for half a mile and doing all this stuff

1646
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: and you know, living out of my camp. I mean,

1647
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: that would have been a great accomplishment and a great

1648
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: way to end that trip. But I went into this

1649
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: with this arbitrary um goal that you know, maybe maybe

1650
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: it's maybe it was a snake, maybe it wasn't. I

1651
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: don't know, but um, but I think going into it

1652
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: now next year, this year, I guess I'm gonna have

1653
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: a little bit different goals when it comes to like

1654
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: those types of public land hunts, especially if you've never

1655
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: been to the area before, like was the case for me. Um.

1656
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: You know, a decent buck, the best buck of those

1657
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: that you saw. That's something that from me personally, that

1658
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty decent goal that I think I can,

1659
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, something I can work towards, but something also

1660
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: that's achievable um and can end with some venison and

1661
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: the freezer, which is the ultimate end all product I'm

1662
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 1: looking for. UM. So, I don't know, I think I

1663
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: just blacked out and started rambling too. It's good to

1664
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: have those at us called it's purge, you purge the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1665
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: you gotta reflect on this kind of stuff, and I've

1666
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of looking back on these

1667
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: things of the past year, but haven't necessarily been able

1668
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: to verbalize at all. But I don't know going into

1669
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,720
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen season. Sorry, go ahead, I was

1670
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna say going into the two thousand eighteen season. Right now,

1671
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 1: I've got like a goal of I want to kill

1672
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: mature buck in Michigan without to be holy Field, but

1673
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: there's also a couple others maybe they're gonna be in

1674
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: the area, and I'd be stoked with any one of those.

1675
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: I wanna, you know, do some more public land hunts,

1676
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: this boundary waters public land hunt. I'd like to kill

1677
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 1: any kind of deer the Montana trip. I'd like to

1678
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: kill a mature ish deer, a three year older better um.

1679
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: And I want to do some cool experiences, like I

1680
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: want more of these trips that take me into new

1681
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: places and test my board, test my boundaries, and you know,

1682
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: just doing different stuff. And that might result in me

1683
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: killing a great, big mature buck. It might result in

1684
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: me killing nothing, but that's okay. Like i I'm looking

1685
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: for an experience and like something that's gonna push me

1686
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: to learn more and become a better deer hunter. Um,

1687
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't need to kill what I love to. Sure,

1688
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome, Um, but I don't need that to

1689
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: be a happy hunter, right absolutely. Man, that's the same

1690
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: thing with me. You know, Iowa probably go after a

1691
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: mature buck like That's how that's kind of what I

1692
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: always start off with. Who knows what will happen. I'm

1693
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: not gonna make any promises. I'm not gonna try to

1694
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: have any expectations. Just go out and look for that

1695
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: deer that makes me go okay, yeah, here we go,

1696
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: you know. And then elk for Colorado, probably the first

1697
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 1: elk that presents a shot, whether it's a cow or

1698
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 1: a bowl. You're gonna take a cow? Why not? I've

1699
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: never killed I've never killed an elk before. I think

1700
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: it would be a good start too, you know, my

1701
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Western adventures. Uh. And then you know, and that's if

1702
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: I do another thing I was gonna I was gonna say,

1703
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: is that there's a potential I go to do another

1704
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: out of state white tail slash mule deer hunt. So

1705
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and that that would be probably a first deer, especially

1706
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: if it's a mule deer, right, first mule here. That

1707
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: presents a shot, whether it's a dough or or a buck.

1708
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of that depends on what

1709
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: you're seeing on the trips, right, whether you think you

1710
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: can hold out for a buck or not, or a

1711
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: bowl or not or whatever. But just the experience of

1712
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: harvesting a new species is a wind for me, right,

1713
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: heck yeah, in a new area, new species, have that experience.

1714
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea to try shoot a

1715
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: cow on mynament next elk hunting trip, I might even

1716
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 1: just try shoot a cow, even though I have killed

1717
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: a branch chandler bull, because that meat. To just have

1718
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: that experience first off of quartering, skinning and quartering on

1719
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: an elk and carrying that thing out off the mountain

1720
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: on your back, I mean, that is something that I

1721
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: think everyone should experience. Um. And then having a freezer

1722
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: full of elk, that too is something everyone should experience. UM.

1723
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 1: So I hope that works out for you, because that's

1724
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: that's some good good stuff. Have fun, have fun. And

1725
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 1: back in the day, I made a promise to myself

1726
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: when I when I was doing all this filming, I said,

1727
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: if I'm not if I start to not have fun

1728
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: anymore because of filming, I'm going to not film anymore.

1729
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: So I stopped filming and I fell in love with

1730
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: bow hunting again. I feel I was more observant with

1731
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: my surroundings and not worried about, you know, the footage

1732
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: and all that ship and just being out there and

1733
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: being one on one. And I feel like for me,

1734
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I can still document that. I might pick up and

1735
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: start filming again. Who knows, but it's all about fun

1736
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: and I wanna because this is you know, why we

1737
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,719
Speaker 1: we think, we dream, we think about this deer hunting

1738
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: and hunting all the year around. Why put any additional

1739
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: stress on yourself by you know, having these unrealistic expectations

1740
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: going into a season of having to harvest a big

1741
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: buck or having to get it on film or you know.

1742
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: Some guys like that and that's cool, But for me,

1743
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: I just feel like, I don't know, I want to

1744
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: ride that wave, dude, Yeah, yeah, that's it's It's something

1745
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:15,759
Speaker 1: that I know I'm always going to kind of struggle

1746
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: with finding that right balance point because I love the goals.

1747
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: I love pushing for something difficult. I love that next

1748
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: going for that next thing. But I also am always

1749
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: struggling with how do I not get too worked up

1750
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: about it? Because you know, you want to, like you said,

1751
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: you want to still be enjoying the moment. So for me,

1752
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: that's something I think that my whole life I'll be

1753
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 1: always working on because of my personality. But ma'n tell

1754
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: you what. Right now in February, there's no time where

1755
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: there's no time where it's all sorts of optimism. At

1756
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: this point, it's just optimism and excitement and planning and

1757
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: thinking about what's coming up this year. And uh, dude,

1758
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. The other day the other day on Twitter,

1759
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: you said, hey, Dan, you know you're stoked and you're like,

1760
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: what an eight point five or and I said, yeah,

1761
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I said that was an eight point nine stoke level. Yeah,

1762
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: like I was a six. Yeah that was disappointed. Well, no,

1763
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean you got it. You can't be a ten.

1764
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Like there's there's years where I was ten the entire

1765
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: like white whoa. Now I got like kids and ships,

1766
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: So I can't be like, I can't be flipping through

1767
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Google Maps looking for pinch points, you know, oh while

1768
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: my kids are crying and my wife's like, get off

1769
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: my pad right. Yeah, you know, I can't be I

1770
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: can't be that that ten level ten anymore. But after

1771
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 1: this podcast, man, I'm telling you, I'm telling you I'm

1772
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm mid eights right now. That's good. It's a good

1773
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: place to be. I'm right there. I'm right there with

1774
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: youre um Man. I wish we didn't have so much

1775
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: snow because I really want to do some scouting. I

1776
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: really want to. That's another goal of mine this series,

1777
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: to ramp my scouting to another level. I really want

1778
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: to take it to a whole different level. I've I've

1779
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: scouted plenty in the past, but it's not been as

1780
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: much as I think I need to. So I love it.

1781
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: It's like like here's me. I have all these goals,

1782
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: like because I'm in the same boat with you, Like, hey, man,

1783
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: I want to get out and I want to do

1784
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: some more scouting. I have three kids, and you're like, hey,

1785
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: I want to do this thing that takes up more time,

1786
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: and I have I have another thing that I just

1787
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 1: added to my life that takes up more time. Yeah. Kids, kids, kids, Yeah,

1788
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the constant. Uh well, now it's a new

1789
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: constant for me and for you. It's been a long time,

1790
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: constant challenge, but we'll figure it out. I'm a big

1791
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's a little naivety here because I

1792
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 1: haven't experienced yet. But I'm a big believer in the

1793
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: fact that you can make things work if they matter,

1794
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: and if you get your kids involved, if you get

1795
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: your family involved, and so I'm excited to keep doing

1796
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: to keep pursuing my white tail passion and my my

1797
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: other passions I have, and to to share that with

1798
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 1: my family. That is very exciting to me too. So

1799
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: I think you think anybody's still listening. I don't think so.

1800
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: I think it's literally you and me talking to each

1801
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: other here and we can talk about whatever we want. Now.

1802
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: This is like just our own personal chit chat time

1803
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: and right. But you know, I think we did pretty

1804
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: good considering the fact that we had nothing planned for this,

1805
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 1: because we had a whole we had a whole slate

1806
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 1: planned out for our guests. I had all sorts of

1807
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: questions and ideas and topics and that all went out

1808
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 1: the window. So we managed to fill an hour in

1809
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 1: ten minutes of time with nothing. So do you have

1810
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: any final party thoughts? No? I think um uh I'm

1811
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 1: gonna try to eat another peanut butter and jelly sandwich

1812
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: before supper. And uh, I think that's it. That's I

1813
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: guess that was the first thing that popped and j

1814
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 1: alright right, well, thanks thanks for BS and me here, buddy,

1815
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,879
Speaker 1: and uh, let's let's get back together soon and record

1816
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: that interview with with a great deer hunter who was

1817
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: going to share some helpful information that we certainly did

1818
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: not do. Okay, sounds good, all right, and that's gonna

1819
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: be at folks, So just real quickly here, I want

1820
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: to thank our partners to help make all this possible

1821
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: so big thanks to sit Gear, Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

1822
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Maven Optics, the White Tail Institute of North America, Trophy

1823
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: Ridge and hunt Terra Maps. And finally, thank you all

1824
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: for being with us on this one. Thanks for tuning

1825
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: in for our little BS impromptu conversation. Hopefully still enjoyed that,

1826
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: and of course, until next time, stay wired to Hunt.