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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We are talking

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Speaker 1: to the fantastic Margaret Chow today. She's in one of

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Speaker 1: the all time great episodes, The Real Me.

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Speaker 3: It's episode four oh two.

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Speaker 1: So we're now in the fourth season, which I really

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Speaker 1: think of as the third season, just a very long season.

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Speaker 3: So this is the Fashion.

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Speaker 1: Show and she plays the producer of the Fashion show.

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Speaker 1: And she's incredible. You may know, Margaret, She's done so

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Speaker 1: many things. I don't even know where to begin, but

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Speaker 1: she's done so much. And she's also an incredible stand

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Speaker 1: up comedian, and she's currently on tour. You can see

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Speaker 1: her tour across the country, and she has her own

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Speaker 1: website for tickets, margaretshow dot com.

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Speaker 3: So check her out. Here we go, let's talk to

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Speaker 3: Margaret Choe about The Real Me.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Mark Show. I'm so excited you're here. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to be here. I'm glad that we got to connect.

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Speaker 1: Gosh me too, because this episode is one of my

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Speaker 1: all time favorites, and you are such a big part

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Speaker 3: We had to get you. We had to get you it.

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Speaker 2: I liked this one. Yeah, it's good, right. It's such

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Speaker 2: a great one, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: And so the episode is called a real me for

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't remember, it's very iconic. I don't use

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Speaker 1: that word frequently, but this would be one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And had.

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Speaker 1: You seen it lately or did you rewatch and think like, wow,

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Speaker 1: I forgot about this.

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Speaker 2: No, I saw it actually really recently. I saw it

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Speaker 2: a couple of really just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: as I was actually doing a rewatch for myself, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I just think it's so iconic it deserves a rewatch.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those ones where this is

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Speaker 2: like the best of the show and that era and

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Speaker 2: also the best of the time. Yeah, you know when

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Speaker 2: we're talking about great, great early two thousands tellelevision, you know,

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Speaker 2: this was like really just a gold standard of what

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Speaker 2: episodes where you had amazing guest stars, you know, people

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Speaker 2: playing themselves. Yes, really incredible.

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Speaker 3: Now, when you.

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Speaker 1: Did the show at the time, what was your awareness

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Speaker 1: you know, your part and your like I feel like

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Speaker 2: Well, I had been obsessed with the show since the pilot,

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Speaker 2: and I was sectually sent the pilot before it aired

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Speaker 2: by Carolyn Oh at HBO, Yeah, because she wanted me

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Speaker 2: to write on it because I've been writing scripts and

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Speaker 2: But I was like trying to just do stand up comedy,

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Speaker 2: it just this this part worked out, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: It did me too. But gosh, we would have been

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to do that. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: To know that there were women's stand ups out there,

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Speaker 2: I think back then they would have just accepted it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really funny. It's really funny, and like, I

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Speaker 1: Go Samantha celebrating iconic moments, bold moves and unforgettable style,

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Speaker 1: just like Hyundai. It's interesting the whole, you know, because

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Speaker 1: kind of people are, you know, trying to get this

439
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: style or trying to talk about this style. And I've

440
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: seen a couple of things that have said, like, you're

441
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: never going to get the style because the clothes are

442
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,719
Speaker 1: just fundamentally different, which I do think is true.

443
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 3: I do think that's true, and I don't think that

444
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 3: they actually really want the clothes.

445
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 2: No, they weren't as well constructed. We didn't have fast

446
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: fashion right in the same way. So but this stuff

447
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: was just like not good, you know, it was didn't

448
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: last right.

449
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: Right, And I just I think it was hard to

450
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: find like good tailoring at the time. You know, like

451
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: it was boxy. Everything was boxy and weird, which is

452
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: why when you saw someone like Carolyn, she it's like

453
00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica, Like.

454
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: Jessica wears these sweatpants.

455
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: Around, but you cannot tell that they're sweatpants because she

456
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: has styled them in her Sara Jesca way, right.

457
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 3: And at one point she told me that she was

458
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: trying to get clothes for our kids to go daughters

459
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 3: to go back to.

460
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: School, and her daughters were like, well, you'd never wear sweatpants,

461
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: and she was like, I wear sweatpants every day.

462
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: They're like you do.

463
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: Because just her own style dictates that everything will look

464
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: different on her, which is why she is what she is,

465
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: which you would understand so much better than I would understand, right, Like,

466
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: you also have incredible style, but that's not something you

467
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: can replicate.

468
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: No, it's hard to actually do it. I mean part

469
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: of it is like mastering your own tailoring, like I

470
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: takes I actually yesterday took sweatpants into the tailor, like she.

471
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: Actually tell us the secrets.

472
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: You have to take sweatpants into the tailor and what

473
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: do you have them? Do you have them take move

474
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: the cuffs on the bottom, to the right length. So

475
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: they usually sweatpants are too either too long or too

476
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: boxy in the leg or okay, so you have to

477
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 2: actually have them kind of fit to your leg. Okay,

478
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: you know, really really think about where there's too much

479
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: fabric and think about where you will you know, be

480
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: able to maximize your look and not look so slovenly. Right,

481
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: sweatpants are meant sort of meant to be sort of

482
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: slovenly out, but they can actually be upgraded quite a lot, right.

483
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: We see, you know these things. I do not know

484
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: these things, so I do not wear sweatpants out of

485
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: the house. That's just me. I'm just like, I'm not.

486
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: Going to take a risk, right, But like you guys

487
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: understand style, but I just think also it's funny because

488
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: people love that, but then they also don't really understand

489
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: what goes into how that's done. Right, Like you know this,

490
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, okay, you take your sweatpants to the tailor.

491
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 2: I mean, who knew if you could do it yourself,

492
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: I could do it myself. I don't have a machine anymore.

493
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: I got rid of all my sewing stuff because it's

494
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: just like too much of an obsession to me. Because

495
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: I like to make clothes. Wow, it's very time consuming

496
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's good.

497
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: Oh it sounds awesome.

498
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: I do too much, so I want to just have

499
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: it like simpler and so yeah, I just take them

500
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: to the tailor. But it's you know, I think if

501
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: you really spend all of your time paying attention to

502
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: what your clothes fit, like, you'll buy less.

503
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: You know your point.

504
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: You invest in the fit and you don't like kind

505
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: of go because fast fashion is so pervasive. You want

506
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: to buy bye bye, right, But it's better to buy

507
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: quality things, have them tailored to you, and then you

508
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: have that thing, which is to me, that's the best.

509
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: That's a good point. It's an excellent point. Absolutely. I

510
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: try to remind myself to shop my closet.

511
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah you should. I mean, you have amazing pieces,

512
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: so you know, I.

513
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: Mean only from work, right, like really, well, you know,

514
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: it's wonderful.

515
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: It is wonderful.

516
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have, and sometimes I forget and so

517
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, there's that thing, and I could

518
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: just get it out. That's in whatever. I don't know,

519
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: or maybe I don't even care if it's in right, I.

520
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Mean a so Charlotte. Like, I think Charlotte Tom Brown

521
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: wouldn't exist as it does without Charlotte.

522
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 3: Oh No, that's the sweetest thing.

523
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: Tom Brown is like the culmination of watching Charlotte for

524
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: all of this time. I love that.

525
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that so much.

526
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: You're so sweet. That's such a nice compliment. Yeah, that's

527
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: so Just.

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: Did Charlotte wear Tom Brown? Because I feel like that's

529
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: so meta.

530
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: We did towards like and then just like that, like

531
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: I have some coats, like like, we didn't do a

532
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: head to toe type of the thing because it was

533
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: almost so on the nose in a way, right, But

534
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: definitely I don't think in the olden days we did.

535
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: I'd have to think back. I mean maybe, but you know,

536
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: it was always such an interesting push pull with Pat

537
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: about Charlotte, right, and sometimes because I've felt really like

538
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: when I was watching these episodes the first two of

539
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: season two, there's a scene where I've gotten out my

540
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: burbery coat from the first season and I'm rewaring it

541
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: and my hair is longer, which is what I wanted

542
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: Charlotte's hair to look like the whole time.

543
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: I've finally achieved it. At the beginning of season.

544
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Four, yeah, but that is the Upper east Side hair,

545
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. But Pat never really liked anything to

546
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: be kind of cut and dried, right. She was always

547
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: like twisting something or turning something or mixing something so

548
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: that it's not one hundred percent that thing, right, which

549
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: I really respect now at the time sometimes a struggle,

550
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: right like I would want it to be cut and

551
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: dried because I felt like that's what Charlotte would.

552
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: Well, Charlotte was so tailored. Charlotte was just so you know,

553
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: she was really classic American style. She was really I mean,

554
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: she was that you know, Carolyn Bassett feeling, you know,

555
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: not as crazed and wild because yeah, yeah, because Carolyn

556
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: has sort of like a wild.

557
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: Horse quality, that's true.

558
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: That's a little bit off. But Charlotte was like the

559
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: more like tailored version of that, right right, right, you know, yes,

560
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: the more sort of chaste and more refined, yes, but

561
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 2: still elegant, you know, and that's still like Americana way.

562
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, definitely, which I loved. I love that part.

563
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for Pat two she that's kind

564
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: of boring for her, right, So she was like, let's

565
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: twist it, like what we do, you know, which I

566
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: think is great. And that's the Tom Brown of it all,

567
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, right, it'sa.

568
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Plastic like I love your like the long Pony, Thank

569
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: you had the best like sleek long Pony, because it

570
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: just it was so elegant and just it was really

571
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: giving American Royalty.

572
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: Yes, so sweet, thank you. I so did not feel

573
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: that way at the time.

574
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: You know.

575
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: It's that kind of thing where you look back and

576
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, I should have relaxed, you

577
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

578
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you had. I mean on the show, like Charlotte.

579
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: I think Charlotte had the best style, the best boyfriend,

580
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: best husband. I think Trey was really the best man,

581
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: even though there was problems.

582
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: Ooh, I went to take Trey over Beg.

583
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: I would take definitely Stephen definitely no offense.

584
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, say over Aiden, I would take Chess. I

585
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: mean it di's no competition.

586
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: Really, I know what you mean. I know you mean.

587
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there's a lot of the story that

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember because I remember Kyle more so than

589
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the fictional story. Right, So when I watch now, I'm like,

590
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: what is going to happen? Because I don't really remember

591
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: it all And it's super interesting. I did not remember

592
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: this at all, that he isn't this one or the

593
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: one before where I go to his Oh, I think

594
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: it might be the one before where I go I

595
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: go to his apartment, which is later turns into Charlotte's apartment, right,

596
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: but it has like.

597
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: Horrible plaid wallpaper, which is kind of entertaining.

598
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: And I've gone out with the girls. We've gone to

599
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: a party and I'm yacking my little head off to

600
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: some unsuspecting woman about how she says, you know, where's

601
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: your husband? Oh, she's that's beautiful, ring where's your husband?

602
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: So then I give her a monologue about how we're

603
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: working things out and we have problems in the bedroom,

604
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I go off right and this woman

605
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: is like, that's really not what I was looking for.

606
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: And then after that I realized, oh, this is weird

607
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: and we have to figure out what we're doing. So

608
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I go to his apartment. It's the nighttime. He gets

609
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: up out of the bed. He comes. He's trying to

610
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: have sex with me, but I'm like, no, no, I

611
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: have a list of what we have to talk about.

612
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: I have a list.

613
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I have a list, like poor Charlotte, you know, I know.

614
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: But also he is confusing.

615
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: He is confusing, he's got some mommy issues. It's like

616
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: very you know, Bunny's a nightmare. So it's a very

617
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: complicated thing. I think that. But just the way that

618
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: you look together and Kyler are so beautiful together. It's

619
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: just so gorgeous.

620
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I know.

621
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: I do love to look at us.

622
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: I agree.

623
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: I agree.

624
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: It takes me to a happy place to look at us,

625
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: because I felt like he was like my brother in

626
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: a weird way, like.

627
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: The Gemini of it all, like the you twinsies, like

628
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: the male version of this beauty, the brunette beauty of

629
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: the female. Like it's just perfect.

630
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true, but there is that that very

631
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: pesky problem of the sex right. And it's so funny

632
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: because she's so hopeful and then like every time she tries,

633
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: she comes with this list of things to talk to

634
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: him about, and then he's trying to kiss her and

635
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, take her to bed and she's like, no, no,

636
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: we've got to talk, and then he comes.

637
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: On her leg.

638
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: It's such a bummer, I.

639
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Know, and then she's like, yes, sEH, I've got to go,

640
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: And you just really feel for her, and I don't

641
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: remember this part, but like that is really a conundrum,

642
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: right of, like everything is wonderful and except for the

643
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: thing that's really pretty.

644
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: Super important, that's super the most important thing.

645
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: Actually, I mean I think so too. I think so too.

646
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: And what I really think is that she doesn't have

647
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: the skills to talk about it, and he won't talk

648
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: about it.

649
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: You can't and that's a.

650
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: Problem, right, that's a problem.

651
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: You got to be able to figure it out together, right, true?

652
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, so true.

653
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to look back on that.

654
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the episode overall, because I really

655
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: really really want to hear your thoughts on the other's storylines.

656
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: So this is so what do you make of I mean,

657
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: we've got so many things going on, but I love, like,

658
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I love your relationship with Carrie. Yeah, I mean I

659
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: had forgotten that there was kind of so much more

660
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: in it than just the fashion show, you know.

661
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, because there's history and there's just like a bossiness,

662
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: but also like I'm trying to help her, but it's

663
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: also my reputation on the line, So it's a it's

664
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: a very complicated, layered thing, but yeah, I did that.

665
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I love like at one point you tell her to

666
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: lighten up or something, when she's like, oh, now I'm

667
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: with the not fashion people, you know, the NAWN models

668
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: and Ed Cotch, and like you're like, just get over it,

669
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, like lighten up. It's really it's so good

670
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: because she really does like trip out, you know what

671
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean?

672
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: And I love Alan Cumming. Did you know him before?

673
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: I knew him before, and I am so I love him.

674
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: I've always loved him. He's the best, and you know,

675
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: he's such a special guy. You know, I know him

676
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: from Fire Up, hanging out on Fire Island and yeah,

677
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: you know, he's just so amazing. So yeah, that was

678
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: really fun.

679
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much fun, so much fun. I've seen him

680
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: since too. But I don't think we I don't even

681
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: think we've talked about it, like you know, when like

682
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: you just know and you don't talk about it, and

683
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: now I'm doing a podcast, I'm like.

684
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: No, I need to talk about it. Yeah, okay, so

685
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: then we.

686
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I had also forgotten about how they switched the dress

687
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: on her, and I had such flashbacks to uncomfortable photo

688
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: shoots where you know, they're all just trying to get

689
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: you to do something and you're.

690
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: Just like, no, that's not me.

691
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: But then of course she looks amazing, right. But then

692
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: also like it's just you're trying to fit into this

693
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: thing that you don't really feel like you fit into.

694
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're just kind of being pushed along and

695
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: this thing, and you're trying to please everybody but also

696
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: trying to make sure that you feel okay. It's very strange.

697
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: It's really something that I think people can definitely relate to,

698
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: Like everybody saying, oh, it looks great, it's great, but

699
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: it's hard to believe them because you don't feel so great.

700
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

701
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: It's really like for me all the fashion shooes, I

702
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: just felt horrible right for years and years and years

703
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: because also I didn't I just didn't know enough to

704
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: know when I should stand up for myself or not.

705
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know, like what should I

706
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: pick my battles here? Like what is worth fighting for?

707
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: You never know?

708
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: No, you don't, you really don't.

709
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: But then when you look back on it, certainly in

710
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: this situation, everyone's saying, you look, you look fantastic, you

711
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: look fantastic, and she does you know she does? Of

712
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: course she does, right, which is great, and I had forgotten.

713
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was so sweet. How so she they

714
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: changed the dress and they show her the little jeweled

715
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: underwear and she thinks that's all they wanted her to wear,

716
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: and so she's like no, absolutely, not no, and then

717
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: they go, oh no. Allan's like, oh no, no, we

718
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: have a coat, you know, And so they get the coat,

719
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: and then they say that she needs big hair, and

720
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: then and they say that she needs big eyes to

721
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: go with the big hair. And then she's like, I

722
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: need Samantha because she'll tell me the truth. And Samantha

723
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: goes back and Carrie's so vulnerable and she's like, get

724
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: me another champagne, which I guess also played into why

725
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: she falls down because obviously we know she can run

726
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: down the street in those heels. Of course, also it's

727
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: like a slick runway, yeah, you know, yeah, and just got.

728
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: Hers eyes on you, and you know the pressure of

729
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: it the moment, you know, it's hard, it's hard to

730
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: remember things of how to walk.

731
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, plus the model walk, like oh very stressful,

732
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But I loved how when Samantha comes back,

733
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: and of course she looks amazing, but Carrie's got her

734
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: hair down in her face.

735
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? And then she picks it up.

736
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: It's just also charming, and she looks so stressed, but

737
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: it's really so relatable and believable and I love it.

738
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: And then Samantha's like, oh no, it's good, and then

739
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: Carrie feels better, which I really loved.

740
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: I've forgotten all of that.

741
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I'd also totally forgotten that I bring Anthon to meet Stanford, which.

742
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: Just is so adorable.

743
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: And I'd also forgotten about this adorable scene at the

744
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: beginning of the show and Carrie and Stanford are out

745
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: and and he says, I know what I look like

746
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: to her, and she said, I know, Like it's just

747
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: so so sweet, like Willie delivers it like so beautifully

748
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: and sweet was so beautify.

749
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: I really miss him, you know. He was my We

750
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: used to play. We used to do this thing called

751
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: twenty five Words or Less. Was just like really fun

752
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: game show. And he was a formidable scene partner. We

753
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: would like play and sometimes we play against each other,

754
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: sometimes we play on a team together. And he was

755
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: just a brilliant game player.

756
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh so bright, beautiful guy. I know it's so weird

757
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, whenever I watched this show. I'm like, gosh,

758
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: it's so strange. It's really horrible not there anymore.

759
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: It's very I know, I know.

760
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: It is like, on the one hand, a joy, right,

761
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Like whenever he comes on the screen.

762
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: He's so vivid, how wonderful, helpful, life and fun and

763
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: so funny.

764
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: And so unusual, Like he was such an unusual person,

765
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no one like him, which I

766
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: think is why he worked so much and why he

767
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: had friends everywhere.

768
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: You know, he could do everything, yep, you know. He

769
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: could be gay, he could be straight, yep, he could

770
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: be young, he could be old. It was very weird.

771
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: He was very unique, very much a shape shifter and yeah,

772
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: really an actor in every in every way, like so

773
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: different and so powerful, the great guy.

774
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: It's so true.

775
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: And whenever he comes up on screen, I'm like, oh,

776
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, because he is just so vivid too, like

777
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: he jumps out at you, you know, on the screen,

778
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: and then to think that that he's not here is

779
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: obviously horrible, but it's amazing that he is on the screen,

780
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like it is it does make you feel like, oh, yes,

781
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: thank god, we.

782
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 3: Worked really hard.

783
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: And that lives on and like created something and you

784
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: can feel his energy.

785
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: That's so special, right.

786
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing. And the sad thing when I

787
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: was watching this show, I realized that the photographer is

788
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: played by James McCaffrey, who also played another character, a

789
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: different character in the first season. He plays big, kind

790
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: of asshole friend. They go to this party and we

791
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: run into all these other women who are like, you

792
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: still have my passport too big?

793
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: And Carrie's like, how many women here have you dated?

794
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: That's James McCaffrey, who I also remember sitting in the

795
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: HBO waiting room.

796
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: He was reading for Big.

797
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yes, And you can see he's like a

798
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: good looking guy, you know, kind of similar age.

799
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: He plays a photographer.

800
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: In this and he sadly died in twenty twenty three.

801
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Because I was thinking we should get him on the

802
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: show and discuss these different parts that he played.

803
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: He died of cancer in twenty twenty three. It's so sad,

804
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: but he's so great.

805
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he he and Justin Throw both played different

806
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: characters as the same actor obviously played different characters. So

807
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: now now we know that he gets to be in

808
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: the just In Throw category of specialness that's so great.

809
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so.

810
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Great because obviously Michael's very controlling about casting, so if

811
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: someone got to play two characters, they were.

812
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: Like, super deal.

813
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: That's a very big deal exactly.

814
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: So when I take Anthony to meet Stanford, and Anthony

815
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: is pretty mean, you know, and Stanford, but then Stanford

816
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: also goes in the back and says, you know, why

817
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: would Charlotte bring such a queen?

818
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: It's all pretty.

819
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Entertaining, so funny, so perfect, so perfect, and also so

820
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: I feel like the these are things, and maybe it's

821
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: just my world, but I feel like all these things

822
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: are much more discussed and known about, like gay culture, yes, yes,

823
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: like the stress to be attractive and the you know,

824
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: like kind of hierarchy or whatever within like Carrie. Doesn't

825
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: Carrie say something to him like I have bigger things

826
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: to worry about than like the level of queenness, the

827
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: level of queenness in your world.

828
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: Something like that.

829
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny and and very fun that we got

830
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: to kind of be open about those things back then.

831
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 2: And learn about it too, Like it's like everybody's learning

832
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, and it's it's it's emerging into like

833
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: heterosexual culture, even though the show is really rooted in

834
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: gay culture too. Yes, from a from a heterosexual female perspective, Yes,

835
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: allowing it to emerge is really cool.

836
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: I agree.

837
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I agree, it's fun and and you think back like,

838
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, people didn't know this stuff back then, totally

839
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: not the wide culture, you know.

840
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: So I love that.

841
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So Charlotte, this is when I have this crazy

842
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: thing that I also forgot about, where I say that

843
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: my vagina is depressed in this whole episode, and I

844
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: go to the I go to the ob joy Enn

845
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: and we talk about Volvadinio, which I mean, is this real?

846
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

847
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: I think it is great. I think, okay, yes, but it's.

848
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: Not something that I hear about very often.

849
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: No, No, but I think it exists.

850
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: It must exist.

851
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: I mean they do all their research or whatever. I

852
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't look that up today because I was busy looking

853
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: up David McCaffrey. But it's I had vaguely remembered this

854
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: because this is when I'm in that vague time where like,

855
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it work with Trey, but it's

856
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: not really working.

857
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: And you see that I have a cross on.

858
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: At one point that was Michael planning ahead that he

859
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: knew that I was going to meet Harry and have

860
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: to deal with whether I was going to convert or not.

861
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: He was so smart, and I remember him saying to me, like,

862
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: you have to wear the cross, and I was like,

863
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: calm down.

864
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: Why he knew he could see the future already knew

865
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: exactly what was going to happen, exactly exactly, And I

866
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: love that about him.

867
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: And I had also forgotten this whole thing.

868
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten Samantha getting photographed naked.

869
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it was great. She's so bold, and.

870
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Then I forgot about that, and then I love how,

871
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, She's like, I'm doing this for me, I'm

872
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: doing this for me. But then everyone who all every

873
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: man who sees the picture, she's waiting, you know, like

874
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: you know that are they going to compliment me? And

875
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: then luckily that delivery guy sees her on her own

876
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: wall and compliments her, which is good. But then I

877
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: had also forgotten that they tie together in the final

878
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: coffee shop scene where they asked Charlotte if she's oh,

879
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: she shows me a picture and wants to know if

880
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: it's Artie and I'm like, ah, it's a full frontal

881
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: and she goes oh, I was just warming up. And

882
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: then we discussed whether we've looked at you ourselves, and

883
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to look at it, and

884
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: she makes me promise to go home and look at it.

885
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,479
Speaker 1: And this is when I fall off the bed looking

886
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: at it, which I think is.

887
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: Super adorable funny.

888
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: I had thought that was like first season, you know

889
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: what I mean, because it is kind of like an

890
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: innocent Charlotte.

891
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: But Charlotte is very innocent for the entire series, even yeah,

892
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: afterwards in and just like that, because it's like she

893
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: just retains that. I think she retains her childlike wonder

894
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: at things.

895
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: That is true. That is true. Sometimes it's hard to

896
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: be objective. But yes, I know what you're saying.

897
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, which is a great, a great thing to

898
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: retain in this crazy, crazy world.

899
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: For sure. It's peopful, yes, And.

900
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: I love that.

901
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: And I you know, I have a fourteen year old daughter,

902
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: and not that I would tell her to go look

903
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: at herself in the mirror, because she'd be like mom

904
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: and roll her eyes. But you know, these are good

905
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: things to be putting out in the world.

906
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: Well you should know what you look like. I mean,

907
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: it's good to know, at least just for your own reference, absolutely.

908
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: And because there's just such like stigma about all of it,

909
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, just to cut through this stigma and be like, yes,

910
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: you should look at like what do you mean you

911
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: don't want to look at yourself? Like it's a little

912
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: bit crazy, but you know this is the the you know,

913
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: inherited patriarchy basically, you.

914
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: Know, right, we got to break that down.

915
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: So I had forgotten that this was now, and it

916
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: was so interesting how they came together. And I love

917
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: that this is the way. Like Samantha has so many

918
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: ways that she's kind of trying to help the rest

919
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: of them, like not worry about things so much and

920
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: not hang on to the men. And you know, when

921
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Soulmates, which is the episode right before,

922
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: and you know, she's like, I don't worry about that,

923
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And that's a great voice to have, right.

924
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: But then also here for her, it's really about like

925
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: self love and empower empowering each woman and like, yes,

926
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: this is what I look like and there's nothing to

927
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: be ashamed of.

928
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: Right, It's a great thing.

929
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Is it beautiful? Incredibly beautiful. I'd fully forgotten about all

930
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: of that, so it was very enjoyable. And it was

931
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: so funny to see Tony Hale sitting there. It's so

932
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: funny and good with literally almost no lines.

933
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: Right, because we didn't know he was going to be

934
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: Tony Hale.

935
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: Right, So clearly was Tony Hale right, because he made

936
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: you laugh with no lines, Like, it's impressive.

937
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.

938
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: Actors are so interesting, and I love when we would

939
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: have like, you know, like Bradley Cooper had one line

940
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: in the first first season and not one, maybe two,

941
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: but they were great, you know what I'm saying, Like

942
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: it's interesting. But he you know, he was like I

943
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: was a kid. That was my first or second job,

944
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: but he was fantastic, Like you just had something interesting,

945
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you know.

946
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: It's so interesting to see that stuff, I think.

947
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: And then Miranda, Oh my god, Miranda's storyline really cracked

948
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: me up. There are times when I'm watching and I

949
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: think that Michael Patrick, because he wrote and directed these

950
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes the other writers are kind of writing our

951
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: own experience of the success of the show into the show, right.

952
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: And so in this episode, Miranda's at the gym being

953
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: her regular just Miranda's self, right, and this very handsome

954
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: guy starts flirting with her, and he's so obviously trying

955
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: to get her out to go, and she's fully oblivious

956
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: in a very Miranda type of a way, and then

957
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: he fully has to say like, oh, yeah, no, I'm trying.

958
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I want to take you out. So they go out

959
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: and he's totally into her. She doesn't say much, and

960
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: he says to her something like, you know, you hardly talk.

961
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: Did I talk so much? Did I talk too much?

962
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Which I was like, wow, that's unlike Miranda that she

963
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk. And then the second time they go out,

964
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: she's kind of feeling herself because this handsome guy thinks

965
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: she's so sexy, which she said to Carrie like, I

966
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: don't think of myself this way. I think of myself

967
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: as smart. And later on I try to convince them

968
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: that I'm sexy, but this guy just sees that I'm.

969
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: Sexy across the gym.

970
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: So then she's kind of playing a part a little bit, right, like, oh,

971
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I love my life. She's on the

972
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: date with him, I love my life. And you know,

973
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: Cynthia's so funny when she does these things.

974
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: Right, I just love it.

975
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: And he's just sitting there and he doesn't look that

976
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: into her, and then she tries to kiss him and

977
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: he doesn't really do it. And then later on, in

978
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: very Miranda style, she goes up to him at the

979
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: gym and she says, hey, you know, it's just really

980
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: weird because you're really into me, but then you suddenly

981
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: weren't and I don't know why, and it's fine, but

982
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering.

983
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 3: And he goes, well, you just seem kind of full

984
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: of yourself.

985
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: And part of me wonders, Like, I mean, the writers

986
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: and the actors we were in this experience together, right,

987
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: So like we were doing this kind of unheard of,

988
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: unknown show in a bubble, and then it got more

989
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: popular and more popular.

990
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: Third season is when it kind of like.

991
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: Wow, papaw out out, like like popping champagne. And now

992
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: we're at fourth season, and so I'm wondering. It was

993
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: often they were writing their own stories, and then occasionally

994
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: I felt like Michael Patrick would put in a little

995
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: like like a personal dig at us, right, do you

996
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like upcoming it hasn't happened yet.

997
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: I had done a play off Broadway called The Exonerated,

998
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: which was about real people who were put in on

999
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: in prison for crimes they didn't commit on death row

1000
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: and then we're exonerated and came out.

1001
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: So it was a super serious play.

1002
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm downtown doing this play and they send a New

1003
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: York Times time to take my picture.

1004
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: But it's downtown. It's not a photo shoot.

1005
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's a photo shoot, but it's like super

1006
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: down right, like no hair and makeup, blah blah blah.

1007
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: So I'm nervous about it and excited that it's like

1008
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: a real like a real piece or whatever. In the

1009
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: New York Times when it comes out, there's like a

1010
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: mark on my upper lip, like an ink stain on

1011
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: my upper lip.

1012
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: And it's not just in one New York Times, it's

1013
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: in all of them.

1014
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: He wrote that into the show when Harry and Charlotte

1015
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: get their picture taken on the rocks for the love section,

1016
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, for the engagement section, and I say.

1017
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: Like, I look like Hitler.

1018
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I call Carrie and I'm like, I look like That

1019
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: was based on something in life that happened to.

1020
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: Me, right, So hilarious.

1021
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hilarious, Like so Michael right that he

1022
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: would do that, but usually it was the writers but

1023
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: like this whole storyline I felt for Miranda.

1024
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: I felt like it was kind of.

1025
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: A little bit like, oh, you guys feel so successful, now,

1026
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Maybe I'm reading into

1027
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: that and it wasn't and I'm going to ask him

1028
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: makes sense.

1029
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: It's because it's like the people, you're like going on

1030
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: people's assumptions of what you must be like because you

1031
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: was experiencing such success, yeah, and kind of dealing with

1032
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: the thought of what somebody might be thinking and then

1033
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: reacting on it. It's very complicated. But I love that,

1034
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1035
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: And then what they really like is that you weren't

1036
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: like that, right, you know? But then like, how do

1037
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: you like, how do you make sense of that?

1038
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: Funny?

1039
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's interesting to think about.

1040
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: But when I do watch it, like I had always

1041
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: thought that the first season was was really bad, like

1042
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: a mess in my mind, That's what I thought, because

1043
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: I think we felt a bit of a mess right

1044
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: like we were nothing had aired, we didn't know what

1045
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: people were going to say. But when I look back

1046
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: on it, it's so good and all the pieces are there.

1047
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what's all of you? Because you guys

1048
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: have such great chemistry. You're all so funny, you know.

1049
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: It was such a unique take on sexuality and women

1050
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: and business and New York and independence. Yeah, it was

1051
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: so powerful. I think that's why it was such a

1052
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: phenomenon because you were speaking to this idea that women's

1053
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: stories matter, yea, and this is and without the idea

1054
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: of like children were maybe children coming right, but without

1055
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: the idea of like husband's but husband's coming right. It's

1056
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: like really the search for ourselves.

1057
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: Definitely the search for ourselves.

1058
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: As Michael Patrick you know, puts it, starts putting in

1059
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: as we go, right, like he deepens it, he deepens it,

1060
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: he deepens it. But even in the kind of rough

1061
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: first season, it's all there. Yeah, and it's a little

1062
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: bit messy, and I think that's what people love.

1063
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Did

1064
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: we do what I mean?

1065
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: Anything else that you want to talk about from the memories.

1066
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: It's just really special. It's really special to have been

1067
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: a part of it, you know, being a part of

1068
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: such a huge phenomenon at the apex, this was the

1069
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: apex of it, you know, and to just have a

1070
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: little bit of a couple of days to walk around

1071
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: and witness what you guys were doing and you know,

1072
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: be able to participate. It was a real honor and

1073
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: it was really one of the things that I treasure

1074
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: most in my career. I agree.

1075
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I think you're just so fantastic. And I really wish

1076
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: we'd brought you back. And I really wish you'd been

1077
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: in and just like that, and I really wish you'd

1078
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: written our show. I know it would have been so interesting.

1079
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: Let's do it all again.

1080
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: Totally, Let's do it all again.

1081
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: The nice thing too, is like we're all still out

1082
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: there functioning, right, Like you just got to keep going

1083
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: and find your way and get your voice out there.

1084
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's so great your touring still, it's

1085
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of amazing.

1086
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really fun.

1087
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm so glad.

1088
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: I was so glad. Thank you for joining us. Thank you.

1089
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: This was so fun.

1090
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: Is there anything else about the tour that we could

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Speaker 1: suggest or mention or.

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Speaker 2: People can get tickets at Margaret Chow dot com. I'm

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00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: going everywhere. It's called Choligarchy, and I'm it's all political comedy.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to a new world and you know,

1095
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: get out of this terrible situation. That we're in love.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I love it that you have your own website and

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Speaker 1: you're just doing it. Yes, good for you, Good for you.

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Speaker 3: I have another question.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're gonna say, But, Margaret Choe,

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Speaker 1: are you a Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: I am part Charlotte. I'm also I'm part Miranda. I'm

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Speaker 2: probably like I would say, I'm a Charlotte with a

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Speaker 2: Miranda Rising love it. And but my moon is in

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Speaker 2: Samantha love it. And yeah, and I have a lot

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Speaker 2: of carry in my chart.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, I think that's fantastic. That makes good sense. That

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00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: makes good sense. I love to hear everybody's answers. They're

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00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: always really interesting. I think that makes sense if I

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Speaker 1: think about you, Yes, I mean because you do have

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Speaker 1: kind of a you know, like a sharp, sharp wit,

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Speaker 1: like a Miranda wit, you know. And but then also

1113
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: like there's exploration in the way that Carrie does in

1114
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: your work, you know, for like turning something over, like

1115
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Speaker 1: what do we think of this?

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00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, and then I love.

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Speaker 1: If you have a I think a Samantha moon is

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Speaker 1: about the best that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good scentual.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, erotic it's it's it can be very like

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00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, raunchy at times.

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Speaker 3: So for fantastic love it, love it, love it so much.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much for joining us. It's

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Speaker 3: really really fun, so fun.

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Speaker 2: Have a great day. Thank you too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks bye,