1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether he love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: the Friday Morning Podcast. First of all, Chip Kelly is 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: going to talk NFL Eagles, his Oregon days. How close 8 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: did he come to take in the Florida job. He's 9 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, We're talking everything with him than 10 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Chad Milman. Really excited. One of the smartest guys I've 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: ever met in football. Chip Kelly joins us today. But 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: as always, it's Friday, It's time for fake questions and 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: real answers. Here we go, Dear Colin. Was there a 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: time when stats were more important than titles? When did 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: that change? And who changed it? Well? I think titles 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: owas mattered, but I think Michael Jordan really pierced through 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: sports like nobody ever had. He was not only the 18 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: best player, he was the most glamorous. He was the coolest, 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: He was the best looking, He was the best dressed. 20 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: And so Bill Russell won almost twice as many titles, 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: but he wasn't as dynamic offensively or as cool. Jerry 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: West was called mister clutch. He went one for eight 23 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: in the finals, and then Jordan came around. I mean, 24 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: think about that. With Jerry West one for eight, he's 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: mister clutch. It's not just that Michael was the best 26 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: basketball player in the world. It was the way he 27 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: did it. He had the first big shoe campaign. It 28 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: created sort of this force field around him. He failed 29 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: at baseball, he got a divorce, there was gambling, he 30 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: was awful with the Wizards. It didn't matter. You couldn't 31 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: pierce it. And so I think once Michael Jordan now 32 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: is so popular. He was the most popular NBA player 33 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: according to polls twenty years after he retired. Is that 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: we just look at it differently now? Is that Michael 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: is so popular that we judge everything on perfection in basketball, 36 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: by the way we don't in football. Joe Montana's four 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: for four, Tom Brady's got three Super Bowl losses. We 38 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: don't care. The minute he had five Super Bowls, he's better. 39 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter if Lebron James won seven titles. He's 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: not as cool, His game doesn't have the offensive appeal. 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Jordan changed all the rules for basketball and perhaps sports. 42 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: There's never been an athlete who was the best, the coolest, 43 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: the best looking, the best dress, the most glamorous, and 44 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: the most popular. And don't kid yourself, Lebron will never 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: be as popular as Michael Jordan. Dear Colin, you can 46 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: be very critical of players. What happens when you meet 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: somebody you criticize face to face? Is it civil or 48 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: do you throw down? Well, it's happened a few times. 49 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: Most athletes are pretty passive when you meet him because 50 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: they know you go on the air the next day. 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: So why tick me off? Why be confrontational? But the 52 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: truth is I'm not that critical. Yeah, I've been rough 53 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield, but if you took everything I ever said, 54 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: it's probably a fifty fifty split. I got the Browns 55 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: winning the division this year and getting to the AFC Championship. 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I've been tough on Russell Westbrook, I've been tough on 57 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I'm just tougher than the local media. But 58 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: the truth is, if you took everything I've ever said 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: about Westbrook, Aaron and Mayfield, it's fifty fifty. It's just 60 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: ninety ten in their favor from local media. So I 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: don't see myself is unruly and unwieldy in terms of criticism. 62 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I think I'm fair, by the way. Ten years before 63 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: anybody else talked about it, we said there were questions 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers body language, his eye rolling, and his leadership. 65 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: It's now that everybody else talks about it. I'd rather 66 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: be first when it comes to those judgments, because I 67 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: watched the games, I watch body language. I just don't 68 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: think I'm that unfair. Dear Colin, do you see impressions 69 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: that people do of you, and what do you think 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: they get right or wrong? I don't see a lot 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: of them. There's a kid at barstool, Joey something that 72 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I think's funny. It's the first one I ever saw 73 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: and I laughed at. I think he's got down kind 74 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: of my style, or I often repeat stuff to accentuate points. 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: I think he's very good, actually and very funny. I 76 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: always as a kid I did impressions growing up. I 77 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: did Howard Cosell, I did Keith Jackson, I did Marv Albert, 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: I did Vince Scully, and they were all the broadcasters 79 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: I liked, so I take that stuff as a compliment. 80 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: If somebody's impersonating you have a style, I'm good with that. Colin, 81 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: you're a coastal liberal. So you can't see that the 82 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: media is liberal. Open your eyes. No, I have largely 83 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: acknowledged the media is liberal in fact on social issues. 84 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: Eileen left on virtually everything. The difference is unlike the 85 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: rest of the media. I admit it socially on left. Fiscally, 86 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: I'm moderate, sometimes right, but mostly right in the middle. 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I view myself as an independent. Where the media gets 88 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: in trouble is when they don't realize they're a business 89 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: and they're not authentic with their audience. Listen, the NBA 90 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: ratings have gone down thirty five percent in two years. 91 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: The basketball didn't get worse, The players didn't get worse. 92 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: What happened they went all in on politics. The Oscar 93 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: ratings the last two years have tanked. They've lost forty 94 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: five to fifty percent of their audience. The movies didn't 95 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: necessarily get worse. The actors weren't more pompous or self absorbed. 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: They went all in on politics. Just admitute. There's a 97 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: big chunk of people who don't want politics with their movies, 98 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: their award ceremonies, or their sports. I occasionally talked Trump, 99 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: mostly tweaked him because I think he's bizarre and a 100 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: fire hose of narcissism. He's gone now. I'm really honest 101 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: about my politics and about the media. They lean left. 102 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: What worries me is how few do they don't. Seventy 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: percent of newspaper people in studies done for years are Democrats. 104 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: Of course it sometimes shades their views. Just be upfront 105 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: about it. Colin. A lot of people are selling their companies. 106 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: I just read a story where the Athletic is trying 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: to be sold. What is your take? My take is 108 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: I didn't build the volume to be sold. I've built 109 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: it to work at it forever. If somebody wants to 110 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: spend a lot of money and buy it, I'll consider it. 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: But I'm not retiring. In terms of the Athletic, I 112 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: thought they made one big mistake when they started. Anytime 113 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: you have a business that is behind a paywall, it's 114 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: a subscription service. It is really hard to drive people 115 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: through that wall. Instead of hiring media critics and hockey writers, 116 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: I would have gone out and found the ten best 117 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: podcasters I could and the ten best Columness I could 118 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: to drive people through a paywall. They did the opposite. 119 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: They got beat reporters. They were slow on podcasts. They 120 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: tried to make it a volume play with journalism. There's 121 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: simply too much on the market right now, free blogs, 122 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: the Internet you don't have to pay for to get. 123 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Too much of their information is already duplicated in non 124 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: paywall businesses. So I think it's destined to never sell 125 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: for the amount the Athletic wants it to. The minute 126 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 1: you go paywall, Howard Stern was the first to break 127 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: through it. Sirius. XM exists because of Howard and the NFL. 128 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: People are willing to pay a monthly fee for both. 129 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Ninety percent of serious XM channels have virtually no audience. 130 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Years ago, I read a study or a report that 131 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: ninety percent of albums, ninety percent of all albums had 132 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: fewer than ten copies sold. Ten percent of all albums 133 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: make all the business. So good luck to the Athletic. 134 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: But from day one I didn't buy into their business plan, 135 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: even though I rooted for him. All right, let's bring 136 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: on Chip Kelly, UCLA head coach. Big year for him, 137 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: big year for him. He's got to win now. At 138 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: the end of last year, they were a much better team, 139 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: and we'll get into the transfer portal. They have used 140 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: that very smartly this offseason. They got four, maybe five 141 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: starters out of the transfer portal. We're gonna talk Eagles, 142 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk UCLA sec Nick Saban, Pete Carroll. Let's 143 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: bring on Chip Kelly. So it's funny, Chip. When I 144 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: think of you, I do think certain coaches fit certain areas. 145 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: New Hampshire fits for you, Eugene fits for you. La 146 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Manhattan Beach fits for you. And then I think Philadelphia. 147 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean you won. What's funny. I looked 148 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: it up today. You won. Buddy Ryan won fifty five 149 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: percent of his games, Andy Reid fifty eight. You won 150 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: fifty five. So did Peterson. Y'all got whacked. That's Philadelphia. 151 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: It's angry. And I think of Philadelphia and I think 152 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: was there ever a moment, maybe before you took the 153 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: job or during it, you thought, Ah, these people they're 154 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: angry a lot. Now, honestly, I loved it and I 155 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: love the fans. I think anywhere where you can be 156 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: somewhere where your fans are passionate. Um, I'll take that 157 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of time over someone that isn't passionate. 158 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: And it's they live and breathe it, they love, they 159 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: love sports, and it's um of the Mike Schmidt quote 160 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: you have to understand is uh, it's the only place 161 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: where you can enjoy victory on UM Sunday and then 162 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: be depressed reading about it on Monday. You know, something 163 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: to that effect, where it's it's never good enough. But 164 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: I think as coaches, it's never good enough for us either. 165 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: All all my mind goes to is what's our next game? 166 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Who we play next? You know we're done, Like, let's 167 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm out into the celebration and let's go crazy. I 168 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: think that town um thinks the same way. You know 169 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: when it's I enjoyed it. I really did. And I 170 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: know some people, UM, you know from the outside, if 171 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: you're not inside it, I think you can kind of 172 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: ask you just like on the place does. But I 173 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: love the fans of Philadelphia. I thought they were awesome. 174 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: Now UCLA is different. It's historically a basketball school and 175 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the football stadiums down the road from the campus. It's 176 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, there's option the A bad day of weather 177 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: is sixty eight and partly cloudy. Does that frustrate you 178 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: or have you come to terms with that that it's 179 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: more casual? I think because you're always internally motivated, so 180 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: it's not It doesn't really to me. It doesn't matter 181 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: where I am, It matters who you get an opportunity 182 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: to be around. The unique thing for me about us 183 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: LA was the kids that chose to go to school 184 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: here are intrinsically motivated. They understand that it's going to 185 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: be challenging academically, and you want to be around kids 186 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: like that. You want to be at a place where 187 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: they want to be successful and everything that they do. 188 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: And talk to David Chalm about what his experience at 189 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: Stanford is like, and it's there are schools that are different, 190 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: the USLAS to Stanfords and Notre Dames in northwesterns. But 191 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: when you look at them, whether it's Mike Bray or 192 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald or David, is that you know you want 193 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: to be around guys that want to be challenged on 194 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: a lead basis. And if you look at some of 195 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: the classes that our players take, you understand that they 196 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: understand that challenge too, and if you almost have you 197 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: don't have to deal with some of the things that 198 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: other guys have to deal with. You know, you've got 199 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: kids that are you don't have to worry about kids 200 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: going to class because they chose her, because they want 201 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: to go to class, you know. So some of the 202 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: things that I think some college coaches are more worried about, 203 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about. So to me, it 204 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: was about the players, and there was about a school 205 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: that's committed to excellence. You know, they won one hundred 206 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: and eighteen final championships in various sports, but they have 207 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: the last one they won in football is in nineteen 208 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: fifty four. So I looked at it as a challenge, 209 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: you know, on a challenge that at this point in 210 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: time in my career I was excited to be a 211 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: part of. It's almost like you were before your time 212 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Do you look at some of the 213 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: poll Nation kind of college football into the NFL now 214 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: and think, you know, maybe I was about eight years 215 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: ahead of it. You know, if and I've said this before, 216 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: but if you weren't in the room with Amos Alonzo 217 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: Stag and Newt Rock Me when they invented this game, 218 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: then you stole it from somebody else, you know. So 219 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Dutch Myers, who was the head coach at TCU in 220 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: the fifties, was running empty no backs. You know, when 221 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: no one talks about it. You know, everybody talks about 222 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: when we got to Oregon and we're running up tempo 223 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: and know how to well. Sam Weish was doing that 224 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL with the Cincinnati Angles, you know, and 225 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: and Marv Levy was doing it with the Buffalo Bills 226 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: and the key gun. You know. So it's it's cyclical. 227 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: I think it's just trying to figure out what applies 228 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: the game itself. I think that at the next level 229 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: has turned into more of a spread out game because 230 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: people have realized the athletes are so good, we better 231 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: get him in space. You know, the days of Buddy 232 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: Ryan was ahead of his game because he ran the 233 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: forty six defense. Everybody was in two back and you 234 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball, you know, when they had those 235 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: monsters up front, was singletary behind them, and they played 236 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: press man on your two receivers and you couldn't get off. 237 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: So how you combat those defenses that are all in 238 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: the box Because we've got to spread people out, and 239 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that's where I think the college spread out game has 240 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of moved to the professional level. And there are 241 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: some guys, you know, Andy Reid's a great example. You know, 242 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: you look what Sean Payton's doing with two quarterbacks and 243 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: you get a whole fame quarterback and Drew Brees and 244 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: he takes out of the game sometimes so Tasom Hill 245 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: can play. You know, it's I think everybody's still evolving 246 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: and that's the fun. But I think there's a lot 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: of similarities. It used to be really different where college 248 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I think ten twelve years ago was one way. In 249 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: the NFL was different. 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I remember Nick Saban one time 268 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: told me privately. He says, I don't I think I 269 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: can say it now. We were up in Bristol and 270 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: he said, you know my concern about this. He goes 271 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: the officials the game is so fast. He goes in 272 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: the Auburn game, and he didn't want to say this 273 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: because Auburn beat him. He goes, there were eleven miss 274 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: calls on both sides. He goes, the officials were just 275 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: not in place. He goes, at the athletes will figure 276 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: out out the speed, so will the coaches I'm not 277 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: sure fifty nine year old officials can when you were 278 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: speeding up the tempo, and there were guys like Saban 279 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: that said, I'm not sure football is meant to be 280 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: played this fast. Did you see that as just kind 281 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: of proprietary I'm protecting my program or were there concerns 282 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: out there that were legit? Now I think it was proprietary. 283 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, the two biggest and there's two great coaches 284 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: at the time were Nick Saban and Brett Delamo. But 285 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: look at what they ran offensively, you know, and I 286 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: would in the same way, like, well, why can't we 287 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: play fast because I think you should play fast. Well, 288 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: we played fast as an equalizer, So how do we 289 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: tire out an see defensive alignment because we're not going 290 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: to be able to line up one on one and 291 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: knock him off the ball. So everybody comes with it 292 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: with a little bit jaded. And you've got to give 293 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: Nick credit. And that's why he may be the greatest 294 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: ever do this game, is he has evolved and now 295 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: he does it all. You know, the things he didn't 296 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: like he's doing. You know, he was a big guy, 297 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: didn't like RPOs. They may be the best in the 298 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: country at our pels, you know, and so when you 299 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: look at it, that's what makes him such a great 300 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: coach because he's constantly evolving. But I think a lot 301 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: of that when you're worried. You know, we all want 302 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: if you want to win an argument, how do I 303 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: get as much fodder on one side to the other. 304 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: You know, let's let's play to the referees. We can 305 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: get the referees on our side and they'll they'll make 306 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: the game. So now a little bit, but m Nick's 307 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: always looking for an advantage, and he's really done. You 308 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: look at what they've done and civil and where they are. 309 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: You know, you could argue that their wide receiver, you now, 310 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: which ten years ago you wouldn't have said that, But 311 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: now you look at the white outs that they've turned 312 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: out in the last couple of years and you're like, 313 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: holy smokes, but they're doing such a good job with it. 314 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: Because I think he's evolved with it. But yeah, I 315 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: can see him saying that because at that time, it 316 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: was a run the ball guy and let's play great defense. 317 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: Um now it's it's almost you've got to get a 318 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: stop or two in each half and then see if 319 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: if you can continue rolling on offense, you know, then 320 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: then you're good to go, you know, And that's really 321 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: what the game has turned into. The reason I think 322 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Savings the best colledge coach I've ever seen is not 323 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: simply because of winning, but what hurt Mac Brown, Bobby Bowden, 324 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, and Urban in Florida. That it's transient at 325 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: the coaching level. That Meete kept losing coordinator after coordinator, 326 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: and I remember him telling me once in his office, 327 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm recruiting coaches as as I'm recruiting defensive ends. Saban 328 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: has lost really high in assistance and just keeps reloading. 329 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: I find that it fascinating. I don't know, maybe he's 330 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: so connected. I mean, just take me to that. The 331 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: difficulty in losing coaches and having to find good ones 332 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: that are often better than the previous one. I mean, 333 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: that's I don't think he gets enough credit for, you know. 334 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think he developed the analysts off the role, 335 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: off the field role that no one really had, and 336 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: then turned it into a real almost like a land spot. 337 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at that, just who's been 338 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: an analyst at at Alabama, it's it's a who's who? 339 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's Sark, it's Mike Locksley, it's Butch Jones, 340 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: it's Mike stoops At. The list goes on and on. 341 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: So he also has a bullpen of guys so that 342 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: when a guy leaves, he may have the guy already 343 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: on staff. So the transition for him is the offense 344 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: and defense and terminology doesn't change. He's not bringing in 345 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: a new guy that brings in his offense or his defense. 346 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: He's still running it the way he wants to run it. Um, 347 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: he did it with Kith Lane, started off as as 348 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: an analyst, and then he promoted Lane when he lost guys. 349 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: So he's got a unique system and I think that 350 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: that unlike anybody else. Um, you know, we only four 351 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: analysts and they're they're low paying jobs and they're all 352 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: real entry level jobs. You know, we don't have what 353 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: they have. But it's he set that up because I 354 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: think he was he was really conscious of that, is 355 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: that you're gonna lose coaches, So what do I do 356 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: to come back that? You know, he's he's got an 357 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: answer for everything that I think you can look at 358 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: and say, hey, this is what we The next big 359 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: hurdle is going to be larn how do I handle that? 360 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: And I think you hit it, hit it right on. 361 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: Is his ability to replace coaches has been been phenomenal, 362 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, and almost like the next guy comes in 363 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: is better than the guy that left, and the guy 364 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: that left was really good. I remember when I really 365 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: thought you broke through a certain threshold when you caught 366 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll flatfooted in Eugene, and that was a good 367 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: sc team and they did not have an answer, And 368 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: I always wanted to ask you they had. Really they 369 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: were literally dominating recruiting on the West Coast. If there 370 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: were twenty great players, they were getting fourteen to sixteen. 371 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: And the week before, the week before that game, you're 372 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: playing up tempo and Pete goes up there, and I 373 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: swear to god, there was a moment I thought he 374 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: was going to grab a white towel and just start 375 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: waiving it. Did you did you see the game before 376 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: it happened? Did you sense they just weren't ready for 377 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: the pace of play you and the Ducks delivered. I 378 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: don't know if they weren't ready, because I mean, he's 379 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: such a good coach, but I think it was. It's 380 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: one of those things you know, the unique thing of 381 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: college football that I think everybody truly and hopefully we 382 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: can get back to it is when you can get 383 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: it rolling at home and it's that atmosphere. You know, everybody, 384 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: it's such an am game at the college level that 385 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: when you can we hit a couple of plays early 386 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it took off and 387 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: then the crowd was behind us. And it was Halloween night. 388 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: We were wearing black uniforms, and you know, the stars 389 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: were aligned. I don't know if it was much is 390 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: that we didn't we cutch them flat footed, but you know, 391 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: our players made plays that day and it was it 392 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: wasn't a we outschemed him or anything like that. Is 393 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: just our our players just kind of played. And I 394 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: think the unique thing, and I know you know about 395 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: it is playing up there in Eugene is a real 396 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: tough place to play, you know, and it's no matter 397 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: what it is. You know, you listen to the even 398 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: the basketball you go back to the UCLA days when 399 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: they used to go up there and playing the old 400 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: basketball arena, MacArthur Court, it was always a difficult atmosphere. 401 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: So it's always difficult to go play games and for 402 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: some reason. USC at the time of Pete, he had 403 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: gone up and lost to Oregon State the year before. 404 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: You know, they they struggled in the state of Oregon 405 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: on the road, and we kind of knew that and 406 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: we picked that up as much as we could with 407 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: our guys. So it was one of those days where 408 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: kind of you look back and say, hey, you know, 409 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: that was a pretty good night. It's interesting you've said 410 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: you love passion and you love the environment. Florida. Jeremy 411 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: Foley was very interested in you. Well, their passion is crazy. 412 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: In the SEC. That's the loudest stadium along with Otson 413 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: I've ever been in. It is Gainesville and Otson. How 414 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: strongly did you consider Florida and the SEC? I considered 415 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Ball and it was Scott Strickland at the time, who 416 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: I think is one of the top athletic directors in 417 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: the country. You know, I had a couple opportunities and 418 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: I just felt that this at the was the right 419 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: time for myself and my wife when we decided where 420 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: we wanted to go, and a lot of again, I 421 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: think to me, that challenge, you know, is it quote 422 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: unquote a basketball school? All right, Well, then let's see 423 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: if we can change that and let's do it the 424 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: right way with really good kids. To me, it was 425 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: more of maybe this was more of a challenge, and 426 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: that's what really got my blood boiling. I've heard, you know, 427 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time on my staff. 428 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: I'll say, listen, man, challenges or opportunities. And the transfer 429 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: portal came out and I heard a lot of old coaches, 430 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, bitching about it, and it was funny. I 431 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: called a couple of coaches and I said, isn't it 432 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: basically a better version of junior college? You already know 433 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: they can play at the D one level. It's never 434 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: really an academic issue. It's they miss home and they 435 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't get a play at Ohio States. They want to 436 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: come back to UCLA. I look at the transfer portal. 437 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I think, oh, Chip Kelly's got a third place. There's 438 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: junior college, there's high school, there's transfer portal. You guys 439 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: have benefited from it greatly. Why do you think you've 440 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: benefited so well? I think we've embraced it. You can 441 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: you can be that that old guy that you know 442 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: stands out on his porch and yells at the clouds 443 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: and or and and get mad about every little thing, 444 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: or you can say this is going to happen, and 445 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: if this is going to happen, how can we use 446 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: it to our advantage to us um. The first kid 447 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: I recruited from the trans reporter was Wilton Spade, who 448 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,239 Speaker 1: had left Michigan, and it was just he was just 449 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: such a mature when you talk to him about what 450 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: was until it was about getting into grad school, what 451 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: his degree was going to be in grad school, and 452 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: what was our football system. And when we talked about 453 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: an official visit, he said, Coach, I really I don't 454 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: need to come and get wined and dined. He's like 455 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: I think when he went to before he goes. I 456 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: went to Michigan and I walked up to my room 457 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: and there was a cookie with my name on. It 458 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: was the coolest thing in the world. I'm not going 459 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: to make my decision based on food. I'm gonna make 460 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: my decision on what's it like academically and what's uh 461 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: in what that degree will mean for me when I'm 462 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: done playing football, and then what type of system do 463 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: I fit into? And I remember walking away because he 464 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: was a first kid we recruited as a transfer because 465 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: I was to old school. If they want to transfer 466 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: and they don't want to be there, you know, are 467 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: they not loyal? But it's just a different world now. 468 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: And it's the kids we've gotten have all been extremely mature. 469 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 1: They've been great leaders. They're really focused on what they 470 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: want to do. They also have a shorter time so 471 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: they're not out screwballing around like, hey, I got I 472 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: got a year here. What am I going to do academically? 473 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: And how am I going to set myself up? And 474 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do football wise? To make sure 475 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: that I have an opportunity to play after this And 476 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: it's I love the maturity of the kids and the 477 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: kids we've gotten have been fantastic and we're really excited 478 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: about it. I don't think you make a living, but 479 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: I think you still build to the high school kids 480 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: and that's where the development comes. But I think with 481 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: the NFL background we have, it's it's just like the 482 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: agency supplementary draft, you know, and what do we have? 483 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, if we have a whole, can we fill 484 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: it here? Is there a corner out there or is 485 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: there a wide out out there? Is whatever that we 486 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: can fill? Because we really like the high school kid, 487 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: but we don't know if he's gonna be able to 488 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: play right away. But we know this kid can play 489 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: right away because he has played right away. You've actually 490 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: seen it demonstrated. So I think you good at both, 491 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you have to be evolved. And I 492 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: think the teams that are doing well with the trans 493 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: for reportal kids are the guys that, you know, we 494 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: do extensive homework. You know, I call the head coach. 495 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: You know, we have a great running back right now, 496 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: Britain Brown from Duke. I called David Cutt, and I 497 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: know cut really well. We cut gave me the whole 498 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: load and loved them and what a great kid. And 499 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: this is a good fit. And you know, so there's 500 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: a lot of times I think, really your due diligence 501 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: and how you do your homework, you make no bones 502 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: about like what are we about? Like if you're coming 503 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: here and you're going to grad school, it's it's hard 504 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: and you gotta go to work and you gotta want 505 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: to get a grad degree, like you're not coming here 506 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: to major ineligibility. But then we get kids that don't 507 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: want to major knowledgability. They really care about the degree. 508 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: So then I don't have to worry about them off 509 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: the field and in their maturity to them. So I 510 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: we love the Trends reportal and we really embraced it. 511 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: What's harder recruiting high school kids and projecting if they 512 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: can work at college or drafting college kids and projecting 513 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: if they work in the pros? I don't know. I 514 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: don't know which one's harder, but I think they're both 515 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: extremely hard. Um, because the track record will tell you that. 516 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, you look at what is it fifty percent 517 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: of first round draft picks don't make it, you know, 518 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: don't make it? Yeah, don't make it? You know. And 519 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: I always said that they have oodles of money and 520 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: how do you figure that out? But I think being 521 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: able to project what people are like the big thing 522 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: with the NFL when they get money. You know, for 523 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: some guys, their goal is I want to make it 524 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: to the NFL. You did, now what you know? What 525 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: do you do with that? And um, in the same 526 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: thing at the college level, I think I saw a 527 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: thing that half of the five star quarterbacks have transferred 528 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: in the last five years. Anybody that was a five star, 529 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, how many are on their second or third 530 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: schools because the first school they pick didn't pan out, 531 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: so um, I think the hit rate is probably the same, 532 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: But it's it's the million dollar question, and who's the 533 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: best at evaluating. I think where you're really good is 534 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: do you know and not get caught up on what 535 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: people think on the outside, but what do you know 536 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: what fits on your team and how that works? And 537 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: the guys that are the best at it don't really 538 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: pay attention to the outside things and just worry about 539 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: is this guy a good fit for the type of 540 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: system we run? And will it be a good fit 541 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: in our locker room, will be a good fit in 542 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: our school, will it be a good fit in our 543 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: pro organization? Whichever one it is? And I think the 544 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: fit part and the people that can project the fit 545 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: are the best at it. You know, it's interesting. I 546 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: have a theory and I'll throw my theory that concerns me. 547 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: I grew up as a Pac twelve football fan. I 548 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: would call it sort of the health and wellness or 549 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: green plate concern out West is that the economy and 550 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: silicon value is so great it has spread to California, 551 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: Laws Angels, Salt Lake, Portland, Eugene, Seattle, and Boulder and 552 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: these places. Now home prices are doubling. And what happens 553 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: when people make money, They eat better, they vacation more. 554 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: And I said this. About seven eight years ago, I 555 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: started noticing West Coast high school kids offensive lineman shrink 556 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: and I said, God, these college coaches, these kids are 557 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty eight pounds. You have to project 558 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: how they play at three oh five. A southern kid, 559 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: a high school kid in the South or Midwest or Houston, 560 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: he's eight and you only have to project if he 561 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: adds ten pounds. And I said, are we too healthy? 562 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Out West? Mom goes vegan, Dad supports mom. The plates 563 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: are greener, the kid gets smaller. Now this just maybe horseshit, 564 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: But I follow recruiting my whole life ship. I've been 565 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: I've been getting magazine since I was like eighteen, and 566 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: it does I do ask my friends. I said, why 567 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: are the offensive lineman like two sixty eight to two 568 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: seventy two out here? Is my theory nonsense or is 569 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: there something? Is there a challenge out there that you 570 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: have to project on size and there are just fewer 571 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: big kids out here? There's something to it, I think, 572 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe we can study it. We can get 573 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: an economist for freakonomics to look at that. I know 574 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: there's a when you look at just from a if 575 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: you study it from an analytics standpoint, the dearth of 576 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: defensive linemen come from the southeast, you know, and there's 577 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of them, you know. And it's when you 578 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: look at per capita in high schools and it's you know, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama. 579 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: There there. That's just the sheer numbers, you know, and 580 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: that's part of what you deal with. But there's also 581 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: been some really good players on the West Coast. I 582 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: don't think it's ever a black and white where it's 583 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: all this For all that, I think there's there's something 584 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: in there. You know. That part of that is if 585 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: that is an issue, then what are you doing nutritionally 586 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: to supplement that? So if you're saying, we're projecting this 587 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: kid from two hundred sixty five pound kid to being 588 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: a three hundred five pound kid, and what's your nutrition 589 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: program like at your school, and is that a feasible 590 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: thing for those kids to do? You know? And I 591 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: think they all come in all shapes and sizes and 592 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: where you find him and how you find them. You know, 593 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: you look at Penney Sewell, who's who's a West Coast guy? 594 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, when is the first guy off the board. 595 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: And then you look at Rashon Slater, who wasn't really 596 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: a highly recruited kid out of high school, and he's 597 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: the second one off the board. You know, when I 598 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia in our first year, we drafted Lane Johnson. 599 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: He was a quarterback in high school. He went to 600 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: junior college quarterback and then was it tight and then 601 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma is a tight end. Then he played 602 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: some defense and he's an All Pro offensive tackle. Now 603 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: Cam Akers is a running back for the Rams. And 604 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: I was telling less sneed I said, the fact that 605 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: he quarterbacked in high school. He didn't have five thousand 606 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: carries in high school like as Zeke Elliot or sae 607 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: Quon Barkley. So he's not as beat up up. He's 608 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: got a longer tarmac, no question, and that developmental piece. Um. 609 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: You know, the other tackle we had when I was 610 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, Jason Peters was a tight end college. You know, 611 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: he's potentially a Hall of Fame offensive tackle. That was 612 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: a tight end that was an undrafted free agent that 613 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: Jim mcnaale found, I think, and they signed him and 614 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: developed him and he turned into one of the best 615 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: tackles to ever play. So they they come from all over. 616 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: I just think you need to search long and hard. 617 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: For us, we're looking at frames all the time and 618 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: what can the what can the body hold? You know? 619 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: I think sometimes that's an issue where the kid is 620 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: what you get it to sixty? Is he four years 621 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: later he's gonna be two sixty, or is what you 622 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: get it to sixty gonna be um, you know, be 623 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: three hundred. You know, kurk Ferenz is known for He's 624 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: got a great reputation in college football for finding those 625 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: two and twenty pound guys somewhere in Iowa and then 626 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they become a first round draft 627 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: because they're three hundred pounds. You know, who can where 628 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: is it? But that person had to have a frame 629 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: that could put that much weight on. So I think 630 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: that's it's really how you look at it and develop it. 631 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: It's a key component to what you're looking at. But 632 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: I think you're right there are there is something too 633 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: And I know just from the analytics part of it. 634 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: Where most of the defensive lineman coming. Most defensive linemen 635 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: are coming from the southeast. Yeah. I talked to Urban 636 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: Meyer once he was working at Fox and I said, 637 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: we were talking about USC and I think he considered it, 638 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I told him my theory about the 639 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: green plates and he said, he said, there, he goes, 640 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't go west very often for a 641 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: defensive lineman at Ohio State. He goes, we loved their quarterbacks, 642 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: receivers and corners, so he thought it was interesting. But 643 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: I remember him saying, he goes, I would probably recruit 644 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: Texas pretty hard if I was a West coast I mean, 645 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: you did it. You've recruited Texas very well. At Oregon, 646 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: I recall, yeah, we kind of we knew where to 647 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: go and where to hit. Texas is just such a 648 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: good state, and they're so well coached, and they have 649 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: year round football. So one of the things I think 650 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: people really enjoyed about from a recruiting standpoint, what if 651 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: you recruited Texas is that you went there in the 652 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: spring and you actually watched them practice football. You know, 653 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: at some in some states in this country, they don't 654 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: play football in the springtime, so you never get a 655 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: chance to you're projecting. You know what was the kid like, Well, 656 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: he looked really good walking down the hall. You know, 657 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: that was the only evaluation you could get on the 658 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: kid during the spring recruiting period. But I would argue, 659 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: if you're here on the West Coast, there's eighty percent 660 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: of our roster and we were at Organ was from California, 661 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, so you really got to make sure you 662 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: take care of the home base. Now, we would always 663 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: you can submit your class, but you got to have 664 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: a kind of a home recruiting base and know where 665 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: that most of your players are coming from. I used 666 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: to always argue the quality of life coaching college is 667 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: much higher than it is at the NFL level. But 668 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: now you have to recruit year round. I could make 669 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: an argument now the NFL coaches have a little bit 670 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: of an offseason. You guys, don't are you a fan 671 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: of this dual signing period, because I think it hurts 672 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: the quality of life for you guys. It's not the 673 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: quality of life, but it's I think ninety percent of 674 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: the kids sign in December, and the kids who don't, 675 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: I think if you told them they had to sign 676 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: in December, and then you left the window open, like, 677 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: if you don't want to sign in December, you don't 678 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: have to, but we're not having a second signing date. 679 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: Like I I go back to h it was a 680 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: few good men. Why the two orders? That's what they 681 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: said all the time in the movie. Why the two orders? 682 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Why the two signing dates? There's one signing date, Just 683 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: sign it and if they don't sign, just leave it 684 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: open from December and signing date to close it in 685 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: February and the month of January it's open. If they 686 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: want to sign, they can sign. But why to have 687 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: second signing date? I don't I don't know. I think 688 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes there's unintended consequences. But when you look 689 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: at the numbers and they've gone up and up every year, 690 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: when they when they spent the first signing date, I 691 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: think it was ninety percent of the kids signed it 692 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: the first signing date this year and it was during 693 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: COVID and no one could take official visits and still 694 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: didn't affect them. They committed and signed and we're ready 695 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: to go. So I hope at one time that's one 696 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: thing that can change, because most people, if you're signing 697 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: nine kids in December, when you're going back out on 698 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: the road in January, you're looking at underclassman or you're 699 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: saving spots for transfers. So the coaches have already moved 700 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: forward on it. I think it's really hopefully it's just 701 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: an administrative thing. At some point in time, they'll they'll 702 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: take that part away, the second one away an NFL 703 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: college career. The greatest football coach player you've ever coached, 704 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: the single greatest player you've ever coached. That's a great question. 705 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, from a talent standpoint, Jason 706 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: Peters at in Philadelphia was as good at tackle at 707 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: that's ever played the game. Personal favre was Darren Sprowles. 708 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: You know he was. You meet Darren Sprowls and you're 709 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: like wow, like that's an NFL player, and then watch 710 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,479 Speaker 1: him for five minutes in practice Colin and you're like wow, 711 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: like that's what's so special. We were in a walkthrough. 712 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: He took a handoff and it was Ota rules and 713 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: you can't do anything. There's so many rules in the 714 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: off season. What you can do, I can't do when 715 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: he's sprinted, and I was like, Baron, it's it's walks through. 716 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: You can't sprint. And he was like, I haven't lasted 717 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: this long in the NFL by not sprinting, So I'm 718 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: a sprint I said, all right, everybody else walked there 719 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: AND's run full speed and and and everybody just you 720 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: just watched him. I don't know anybody that's ever practiced 721 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: as hard as he's ever practiced. And when you look 722 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: at his career, he got played thirteen years in the 723 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: National Football League, and it's he's as tough as they come, 724 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: he's as gracious as they come, he's as competitive as 725 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: they come, and he could do it all. He could return, 726 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: he could carry the football, he could catch the ball 727 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield, and he was just he 728 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: was just an amazing guy to be around on a 729 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: daily basis. But you know, those two guys kind of 730 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: jump out just because of you know, obviously he'sn't just 731 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: because of how athletic a guy that that size, and 732 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's really a Hall of Fame type tackle, 733 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, to be around some I remember and moved 734 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: the first time and I was like, holy smokes, is 735 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: I can't believe how athletic this guy is, you know, 736 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: And there was and it's there was a ton of others, 737 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, coaching Marcus. You know, a good guy who 738 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: won the Heisman Trophy and Marcus Mariota and what an 739 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: amazing athlete. And how quick he processed things, you know, 740 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: the ability to run, how accuracy was his ability to 741 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: process things. You know, he was a special player. There 742 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: was There was a bunch of really good players that 743 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to coach. Chip. It's great seeing 744 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: you enjoy your bike rides, your lovely bride. You got 745 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: a great life. I'm rooting for you, and I appreciate 746 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: this man. All right, buddy, sorry, all right. You know what, man, 747 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly is one of those guys that when you 748 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: listen to him, very pragmatic, super smart. The Philadelphia situation 749 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: was crazy. He goes ten and six, ten and six 750 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks who are kind of like at the end 751 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: of their career or have been replaced somewhere in Philadelphia 752 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,959 Speaker 1: hated him. Why Philadelphia is a market about tradition. He's contrarian. 753 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: He didn't do it the way they'd seen it in Philadelphia, 754 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: it should be noted, has fired every coach. Andy Reid 755 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: had the best winning percentage at fifty eight. Rich co 756 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: tite the worst at fifty four and they all got fired. 757 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: When you get hired to coach the Eagles, Nick Sirianni, 758 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: good luck. You will be out in two years three Max. 759 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: And with that we bring in my buddy Chad Milman, 760 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: chief content officer, Action Network, which just sold this past 761 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: week for two hundred and forty million dollars, which is 762 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: a lot of money. According to my sources, that is 763 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: a shit ton of money. So Millman, you're not a 764 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: big spender guy. I don't see you as a lambo 765 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: guy or a third home guy or a private jet guy. 766 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: Did you go out and buy something though? You know, 767 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: it's funny. I like to think of it as not 768 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty million dollars, but a quarter of 769 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: a billion dollars, just because you know, it sounds better 770 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: and it's funny. You're right, I am not a big 771 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: spender at all. I live in central Connecticut, in West Herford, 772 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the same town you used to live 773 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: before you high tailed it out for the West Coast. 774 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: And like, as this was happening, of course, we think about, 775 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna come into some cash. What do 776 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: we want to do with it? My wife and I. 777 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: She's from New York. We lived in the city for 778 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: a long time. We thought we do we get into 779 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: problement in the city, and at the end of the day, 780 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: we haven't done anything, and we're not planning on doing anything. 781 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: The truth is, all of a sudden, life becomes practical again, 782 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: and we have a son going to college, and we 783 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: have another sun starting high school. And it sounds so 784 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: boring to say, but we don't know where the funk 785 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: we're going to live in four years. So I'm not 786 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: buying a place in the city. I'm not buying a 787 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: place in the beach if I'm not going to want 788 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: to live near either of those things, because I might 789 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: want to move into your beach house. I might want 790 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: to move into your backyard in four years. So for now, 791 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: we're still using gift cards when we order from a 792 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: vert our best restaurant in West Herford. Well, I think 793 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: I told you this in the phone the other day. 794 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: I've made a good living for a long time. It's 795 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: never been about what I can buy. It's about what 796 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't have to do anymore, which is, if I 797 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: wanted to, I could have a yard guy three times 798 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: a week. I could have somebody come in four days 799 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: a wait and clean the house. I've found that money 800 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: isn't about what you buy, It's about what you don't 801 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: have to do anymore. You can just concentrate in your 802 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: family and your business. It's an efficiency changer. It's interesting 803 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: you say it like that, and obviously it's a weird 804 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: thing to talk about because you're so lucky to be 805 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: in this position to have an exit like this. And 806 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm lucky to have been at the business since the beginning, 807 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, leaving ESPN to help launch it and so 808 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: to accumulate value in the business, right, And so we 809 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: think a lot about it and what it would mean 810 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: to us and all those kinds of things. And I'm 811 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: gonna put it in perspective in two different ways, because 812 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: we were having this conversation with friends the other day. 813 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: It really just means, and it sounds obnoxious to say this, 814 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: it just means, if we're going to go on vacation, 815 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm less stressed about where we're staying and what we're 816 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: spending on vacation, which is, by the way, is a massive, 817 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: massive luxury to have in life. And even when I 818 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: was having a I was not sort of lucky enough 819 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: to be getting some kind of windfall from this and 820 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: making a very nice salary, you would still think about it. Right. 821 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: We look at houses to rent, We look at hotels, 822 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: and I think, can I stay there with points? So 823 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: I want to spend that much in the house. If 824 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: I stayed two blocks further from the beach, it's you know, 825 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: a couple gred of lass. I go to this town, 826 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: it's less than this town. That kind of thing. The 827 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: other thing that's really interesting that you say, just thinking 828 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: about the business. We knew this deal was coming, and 829 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: it's been going on for a couple of months, and 830 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: we were fortunate enough as a business that there was 831 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: a process where there were a lot of people involved 832 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: who were interested in acquiring the business, and when it 833 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: came down to it, in the company that bought us 834 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: better collective. This past weekend, we knew the deal was closing, 835 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: and I kind of wondered when I woke up on 836 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 1: Monday morning, how was I going to feel. I left 837 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: ESPN in September of twenty seventeen, that's three and a 838 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: half years ago. Every day since that day, I have 839 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: been thinking about how are we positioning this business for 840 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: an exit, What does the landscape look like, what does 841 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 1: the competition look like? What do we need to be 842 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: doing to put ourselves in a position to be attractive. 843 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: Whether it's a media company, an operator, a company like 844 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: Better Collective that is an affiliate business based in up 845 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: that bought us, whatever the case may be, who's doing what, 846 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: where are the deals happening? Who do we need to 847 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: be talking to? How am I, as an executive at 848 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: the company thinking strategically about this and communicating that with 849 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: our CEO, our CEO or I had a finance whoever 850 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: it was, and when that was ending, I wondered, when 851 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: I wake up on Monday morning, am I going to 852 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: think I want out? I don't want to do this anymore. 853 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 1: My energy is spent. And what I found was I 854 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: woke up on Monday morning and was incredibly energized and 855 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: incredibly motivated because to your point about the personal finance, 856 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: but also for the business. I was unburdened from having 857 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: to think about some of those things. And when I 858 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: thought strategically, I could only I only had to think 859 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: about how am I going to grow this business for 860 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: this new company that owns us that and I've derisked 861 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: a lot of the urgency about selling the business. Yeah, 862 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you're either a competitive person or or not. 863 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, part of me leaving ESPN is I won 864 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: I make four times as much. I'm off at noon, 865 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 1: I live in a better city. My ratings are through 866 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: the roof. That's part of it that when you leave 867 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: a company, part of it is competing. You're a competitive person. 868 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm a competitive person. So congrats on a winning Now, 869 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: this is interesting. The whole Aaron Rodgers thing is off 870 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: the board for a lot of people. As of right now. 871 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: Does the Action Network have him staying or leaving Green Bay? 872 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: We're only judging it based on what we are seeing 873 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: in the markets. And in the markets you are seeing 874 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: the Broncos that went from seventy to one to twelve 875 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: to one in some places, based on the reports that 876 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: we're out there now, you're right, and a lot of 877 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: places you can't bet on the Packers. You can't bet 878 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: on their season win totals. This is fascinating because as 879 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, the Packers have all the 880 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: ridge right. They don't have to trade him. They can 881 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: keep a guy who's one of the most talented quarterbacks 882 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: in NFL history and have him play for them because 883 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: he's under contract. And the truth is whoever they trade 884 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: him to, the value is going to be in future value. 885 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 1: So if they trade him to the Broncos, the Broncos 886 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: are going to give the Packers first round picks. But 887 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: those first round picks are going to be based on 888 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: how well the Broncos performed with Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback. 889 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: They could win the Super Bowl and then all of 890 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, the first round pick is the thirty second 891 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 1: pick in the first round. So it's very interesting how 892 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: any team and how the Packers could even try to 893 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: negotiate what a trade looks like. One other thing here, 894 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: and I was talking to my kid about this today. 895 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: If you look back, you would have thought when Aaron 896 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: Rodgers won the Super Bowl in twenty ten, I think 897 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: it was that he was going to go on a stretch. 898 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: He's such a pinpoint, precise passer, he's so good in 899 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: the pocket, he's so smart. It turns out he may 900 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: have been lucky to win that because in the end, 901 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: he didn't have a very good head coach for the 902 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: majority of his career. His team did not support him 903 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: with offensive weapons. He is very lucky to have gotten 904 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: that one, let alone thinking oh he should have gotten 905 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: more and maybe losing it NFC title games. He's just 906 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: lucky to have gotten a title. Yeah, you know it's 907 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: funny if he goes to Denver. If I was Green Bay, 908 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: I would want a receiver because my takeaway is picks 909 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: are fine, but in the end, Jordan Love needs more, 910 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: ammo or I'm going to look horrific in this deal. 911 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: And you don't want to I said it today on 912 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: the air. You don't want to have a Carmelo to 913 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: the next deal where Denver is forced to trade him 914 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: to the one team he'll go to. And then by 915 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: the time Mello gets there, he's a chandelier in a 916 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: house that has no furniture. And it's like, if Aaron 917 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: demands West Coast, that absolutely desentivizes that advice is green 918 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,720 Speaker 1: Bay to give anything away. Aaron should be open to Miami, 919 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: open to the giants. This whole thing about Jeopardy actress 920 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: moved west that doesn't help Aaron Rodgers in my opinion whatsoever. No, 921 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: do you know what's interesting? And you mentioned the assets 922 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: when Deshaun Watson before the reports came out about the 923 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: sexual harassment and his market Uh, you know, disinerated, disappeared, incinerated, disappeared, 924 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: whatever the word is that, I'm disintegrated. Disintegrated, that is 925 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: the word. Words are not my thing. Thank you for that. 926 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: You're not money. Money and cash is your thing. I 927 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:52,919 Speaker 1: completely lost it when when that was happening, someone asked 928 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: me what would you trade from the Chicago Bears for 929 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I thought to myself, I would trade Khalil 930 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: Mack and I would trade my next eight first round 931 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: draft picks, because at the end of the day, an 932 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: all star quarterback who can be generational as Deshaun Watson 933 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: has proven to be, is worth all of that because 934 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: that's a sure thing you've got it. Every other pick 935 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: you get you don't know what you're getting. So it really, 936 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: to me, it does come down to the assets that 937 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: the Packers could get. Now the draft is over. I 938 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: thought the Chargers really solved their offensive line issues. I 939 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: thought the Browns in the offseasons solved their secondary issues 940 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: about Kansas City, rebuilt their offensive line. I thought Miami 941 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: had the best pure draft first five picks could all 942 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: start any move. I mean, god, I don't look at 943 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,919 Speaker 1: the Chargers the same today as I did two months ago. 944 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 1: Did the draft change any of the odds in your opinion? 945 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: It did change it for In my opinion, it changed 946 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: it for the Chargers because I think, like I already 947 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: had them to win the Super Bowl. I had him 948 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 1: at like I can't remember, fifty to one maybe, But 949 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: if you look at the board, it's all the same teams. 950 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: The Browns moved up a little bit. The Browns were 951 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: in the twenty to one range. Now they're in the 952 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: sixteen to one range. I mentioned to the Broncos. The 953 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: Broncos have moved up tremendously. They were at seventy to 954 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: one now they're at twenty two to one. But the 955 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: rest of them, you know, I'm looking at the Chargers 956 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: are at about thirty two to one, so there's a 957 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 1: little bit of movement there. The Dolphins are about thirty 958 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: to one. That hasn't been that big of a move 959 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: because there was already a lot of attention being paid 960 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 1: to them. There hasn't been massive movement outside of what 961 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: you were talking about for the Broncos because of Aaron Rodgers. 962 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: When you look at the draft and free agency and 963 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: coach generally does the market change? What is the theory 964 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: on I'm gonna wait for camp I'm gonna wait for 965 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 1: the exhibition season. How do I get the best number 966 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,800 Speaker 1: on a future? Does it come now or later? You 967 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of missed it. It really happens it, I mean, look, 968 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: it just does. It's now from the past, say two 969 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: months before free agency is when you really want to 970 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,720 Speaker 1: start thinking about this, When you want to start playing 971 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: the market, When you want to start looking at rosters, 972 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: looking at openings, looking who's going to be a free agent. 973 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: Where will a big move happen? Could there be a 974 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: quarterback type move with like Tom Brady and Tampa Bay. 975 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: The next best time will be once the season begins 976 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: and you've started seeing some kind of potential on the 977 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: field with certain teams. Maybe they maybe the Bengals came 978 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: out and lost their opening game, but they were playing 979 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: the Chiefs and they didn't get blown out by the Chiefs. 980 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: They played pretty well. Those first four weeks for an 981 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: NFL season are when so many decisions get made and 982 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: you start to learn so much about a team. If 983 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,320 Speaker 1: you look back over the years, take the Falcons for example. 984 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 1: The Falcons, over the years, we'd always start off really hot, 985 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: and they'd be six and oh seven or no, you know, 986 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: seven and one, and then they'd fade in the second 987 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,880 Speaker 1: half of the year, but they'd still be a playoff 988 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: team by the time they get to the playoffs. You 989 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: could look back at their games and say, Okay, earlier 990 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: in the year they beat three or four teams that 991 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 1: high expectations but turned out to be not very good. 992 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: Then they struggled against some teams that people had low expectations, 993 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: turned out to be very good, and we started to 994 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: see who they really were. You get this transitive property 995 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 1: feeling about how teams are playing. So if you can 996 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,439 Speaker 1: watch a lot of games during the year and through 997 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: that first four weeks to get a sense of who's 998 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: undervalued by how they do on the field, if they 999 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,800 Speaker 1: struggled or if they played good teams really well, and 1000 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: look at their schedule and map that out, and you've 1001 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: talked about this, then you can find some value. But 1002 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,399 Speaker 1: this range between draft and the start of the season, 1003 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: you're not going to get much. By the way, we 1004 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: know Denver's odds go up if Aaron goes there, what 1005 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: would happen to Green Bay's win total if he leaves 1006 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: where is it at now, It's about ten and a half. 1007 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 1: Where would it go with Jordan Love? Oh gosh, I 1008 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 1: can't look Aaron Rodgers all world quarterback MVP. This team's 1009 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: winning what thirteen games? Fourteen games a year? That's why 1010 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: you can expect, especially the past two seasons. Obviously, what 1011 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: do you know about Jordan Love? And what do you 1012 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: know about the rest of this team other than Aaron Rodgers. 1013 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: If Jordan Love is the quarterback, I'm taking this thing 1014 00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: down to eight minimum. Chad Millman, he just sold us company. 1015 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: He's humble, but he literally right now could turn off 1016 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: his Internet provider and never talk to America again and 1017 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 1: swim in Christall. It's an amazing thing. Yes, it's so true. 1018 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,240 Speaker 1: It's obnoxious, but I could not be happier for you. Honestly, 1019 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: thank you. You have been tremendously supportive. I will say 1020 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520 Speaker 1: this both at ESPN and then when I was thinking 1021 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: about making this move to leave ESPN, you were unbelievably 1022 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: supportive and all in on taking as big a risk 1023 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: as possible. And I appreciate the support and the enthusiasm. 1024 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: You know you're rich when you could have a really 1025 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: bad meth habit and still be rich ten years later. 1026 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: That's where Millman's at. I'm gonna, you know what, I'm 1027 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: just gonna go try it and see what happens. See 1028 00:54:54,239 --> 00:55:00,160 Speaker 1: your buddy, see your brother. I'll talk to you later. We, 1029 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: of course, are hoping. Chad Millman never ever has a 1030 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: meth habit. I just suggested he could overcome it financially. 1031 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: Of course, we would never ever hope that happens. We 1032 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: are good people here. Follow us at The Volume sports 1033 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram, rate review, subscribe. Thanks so much, we're 1034 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: having fun here. Join us The Volume