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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast runs the entire route tree poorly.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: My name is Dan Hans's got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 3: Mark Sessler very special edition of ATM. It is the

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Speaker 3: one with the wide receivers in friends style. Boys, We're

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Speaker 3: gonna dive deep today on what is a very rich

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Speaker 3: and promising wide receiver class. And I will say this,

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Speaker 3: greggie wide quarterback is always gonna have the most juice

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Speaker 3: right naturally, because they are the most important player. They

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Speaker 3: can change the fortune and direction of a franchise immediately,

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Speaker 3: the most recent example, of course being CJ. Stroud in Houston. However,

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Speaker 3: to me, it is wide receivers that that gets my

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Speaker 3: juice flown in the sense of you want to fix

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Speaker 3: your offense, you can do it overnight. Because these guys

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Speaker 3: are now entering the league and so many of them

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Speaker 3: are instant you know, number two, fringe, number one guys,

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Speaker 3: some guy, the special ones are immediate superstars. So when

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Speaker 3: you hear about this class in particular, it feels like

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Speaker 3: we're gonna get a couple of those this year and

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Speaker 3: maybe more.

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Speaker 4: That's a great point.

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Speaker 5: Dan Receivers out of rookie contract before like a CD

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Speaker 5: lamb until he's gonna get paid whatever he's going to

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Speaker 5: get paid this offseason is such a ridiculous value. And

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Speaker 5: I think the contracts top right receivers are getting there

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Speaker 5: kind of reflecting that after quarterback, if you had to

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Speaker 5: pick one position that you think is the most valuable,

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Speaker 5: it's either left tackle, receiver or edge, but it might

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Speaker 5: be number one true number one receiver, and there's only

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Speaker 5: so many of those, and that's a bit of a

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Speaker 5: flip compared to what teams thought about, you know, ten

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Speaker 6: I also like, I wonder if what we're experiencing with

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Speaker 6: this draft class, you know, and it certainly stands out

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Speaker 6: wideer serier wise from from others they've been, they've been,

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Speaker 6: they're getting better and better, and it's like, is this

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Speaker 6: at some point the new norm? Because I think like

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Speaker 6: the one starting to watch these guys, like so many

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Speaker 6: of them, like usually it's like, oh, he's really good

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Speaker 6: at this, but he's got to work on this with

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Speaker 6: NFL coaches to kind of get up to stuff. So

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Speaker 6: many of them look completely prepared to start right away,

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Speaker 6: and we aren't that far away from a time when

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Speaker 6: like you could draft a wide out outside of like

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Speaker 6: the top one, two or three, and they're kind of

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Speaker 6: ghosts until season two or even three sometimes. But these

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Speaker 6: guys look like ready to roll immediately, a big junk

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Speaker 5: They're out there doing those seven on sevens and and

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Speaker 5: the quarter you know, quarterback camps and all that stuff,

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Speaker 5: and they're practicing on air. And it's why I take

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Speaker 5: exception to the money drop. I can run an out

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Speaker 5: route walk. It's Walker's favorite thing in the world. To

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Speaker 5: go over to the middle school. They got a nice

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Speaker 5: football field which has some open and we're practicing quite

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Speaker 5: a bit where throwing routes and I break off that route.

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Speaker 4: I can get off press coverage.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Greg, what if you have like a six

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Speaker 6: to two hundred and something pound cornerback jamming you at

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Speaker 6: the line, how's your out out route looking?

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Speaker 4: Then I'm just gonna duck under them. I kind of

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Speaker 4: I do this little movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, slip it. Okay, you're undersize, you're forty five years old.

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Speaker 3: Like, let's know our limitations, Bud, Like you can't play

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Speaker 3: on the outside, you'd get man handled.

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Speaker 4: The route tree is complete, though, you know.

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Speaker 3: The idea of like again, you've you've been down on

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Speaker 3: Hunter Renfro in the past, like that's kind of your ceiling, bud,

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Speaker 3: Like that's what you have to operate in that realm.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the bear of bad news.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm an inline tight end blocker, like I know,

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Speaker 3: and maybe hit me at the at the in the

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Speaker 4: I see at least five aj green.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: I mean to say that Hunter Renfro is Greg's ceiling.

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Speaker 6: It's like the ceiling three stories up on a building

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Speaker 6: from where Greg is or any I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to like rein them in somewhat to

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Speaker 2: Are you running these routes against your your held your

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Speaker 4: Too much time?

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Speaker 5: We got that football, you know that football where it's

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Speaker 5: got the routes on the football. So if I love

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Speaker 5: that check, you know, what's what's a five route?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 4: There's no defenders there?

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Speaker 3: And by the way, coming up just a little bit,

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Speaker 3: Matt Harmon, he of the reception perception fame, and we'll

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Speaker 3: talk them out about what that means and which players

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean every team can use a number one, right,

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Speaker 2: What's better than one? Number one? Two number ones?

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Speaker 3: It's the most second most supporting position, a backup quarterback,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Casserly, where are you, buddy, Greg?

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Speaker 3: Who's a team or teams that really jump out to

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Speaker 3: you that are going to be all over this wide

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Speaker 5: There were so many when we did this, like I

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Speaker 5: Baltimore is one that I think is high profile that

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Speaker 5: hasn't gotten a lot of attention. Like Zay Flowers is

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Speaker 5: not a one, Rashad Bateman is not a two. Aglar

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Speaker 5: gonna find a one most likely in this class. But man,

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Speaker 5: they're counting a lot on Rashad Bateman right now, and

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Speaker 5: that division too. You kind of you look at Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: The most Cincinnati move in the world is just replacing

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Speaker 5: Tyler Boyd one for one in this draft with the

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Speaker 4: I could see that happening. And then Pittsburgh they have

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Speaker 5: It's George Pickens, who hasn't exactly been the most reliable

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Speaker 5: Is I don't even know who quit? They really don't

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Speaker 5: The Bounds are the only team they look pretty solid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cycling back to to Baltimore, I trust the Ravens

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Speaker 3: they've proven time and time again that they they can't

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Speaker 3: I think you're right that he has the ceiling to be,

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Speaker 3: not the number one you mentioned Rashad Bateman. He was

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Speaker 3: Nelson a.

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Speaker 3: He was another high for a high round pick. Odell

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Speaker 3: Beckham they brought in last year thinking he would fill

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Speaker 6: You brought in Todd Mounkin and they they you know,

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Speaker 6: four to take their quarterback. But then it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: you pass on Marvin Harrison Junior, when like, the most

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Speaker 6: change the franchise for fifteen years twelve?

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: They all this talk that like, oh, the Bears should

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Speaker 5: there because there's too many teams in front that will

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Speaker 5: And if the Bears do have a chance they can

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Speaker 5: They've got DJ Moore, They've got Keenan Allen who's a

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Speaker 2: And I look at the AFC East and the Dolphins

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Speaker 3: They have maybe the best one two punch in the

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Speaker 2: But the Bills, their struggles.

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Speaker 3: To have a real wide receiver room were well documented

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Speaker 3: will be all over one of these prospects we're going

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Speaker 3: Patriots are a team that is screaming out for some

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Speaker 3: juice and who is Who's it now? They're gonna most

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Speaker 3: likely target a quarterback at the top of the class,

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Speaker 3: but they could use wide receiver help, and you imagine

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Speaker 3: if Aaron Rodgers stays on the field. Mike Williams was

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Speaker 3: you can't assume Mike Williams is going to stay healthy

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Speaker 2: I'm of the.

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Speaker 3: Thought like if Joe Alt is there, who's as flawless

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Speaker 3: as an offensive lineman prospects as you'll see, if he

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Speaker 3: at what eight, I believe I'm going and grabbing one

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Speaker 3: of the ten, is it? Sorry, I'm grabbing one of

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Speaker 3: these wide receivers because they're gonna one of these big

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Speaker 3: So that's a team that jumps out to me like

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Speaker 3: after last year's harrowing season. If you pair Garrett Wilson

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Speaker 3: else they have Breese Hall and Mike Williams is a three.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can really start to get excited. So

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Speaker 3: we'll see if they go that route.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Holts are a team at fifteen that I

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Speaker 5: Are you You can still talk about him in Cleveland?

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Speaker 6: Because I think what they've done is is kind of interesting,

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Speaker 6: You can see it a little potential, but other teams

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Speaker 2: You know who really helps.

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Speaker 3: Them in that realm as a playmaker, that David Njoku.

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Speaker 2: And all those teams we just talked.

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Speaker 3: About, many of them, well all of them are gonna

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back to the answer. God touch down

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Speaker 1: Why seven the occasiones Corman Harrison Junior Flowers heading to

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Speaker 3: There's the shot to it. Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's the one with the wide receivers episode, and

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Dan, thank you for that intro. I got

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Speaker 3: Matt, of course, a former colleague of ours at NFL

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Speaker 3: And it's always good to see a friend. And yes,

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Speaker 3: You've moved away from the swoosh hair style. Then I

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Speaker 6: It's not an incredible upset that we've spent the first

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Speaker 5: Also, you're we're too old to do the Travis Kelsey

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Speaker 4: I'm much too old, but you pull it off.

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Speaker 5: You look like you could be the unathletic third brother

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, if I hit my peak a little earlier,

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Speaker 3: The Because my haircut is the modified gentleman's contour? Famously,

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Speaker 3: Hair is great, but these wide receivers my own harmon

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wide receiver business is booming right now, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: If there are any NFL folks wanting to you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'd hire me as your consultant.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that would require me taking you know,

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Speaker 1: information off the site to my loyal subscribers, but really,

445
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Speaker 1: I'm a man of the people, Mark. I'm out there

446
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Speaker 1: for the folks that can afford a you know, thirty

447
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Speaker 1: dollars subscription to learn about wide receivers. Hey, if it

448
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Speaker 1: works out, it works out.

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Speaker 3: Whenever I meet somebody and they tell me they're a consultant,

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Speaker 3: they're almost always very wealthy.

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Speaker 2: So that's something I want to get into one day,

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Speaker 2: all right. So with that in mind, let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: And we kind of built up the atn Heroes here

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Speaker 3: some superlatives, and we're going to tee you up and

455
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Speaker 3: you could tell us which one of these prospects, because

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Speaker 3: we're hearing what three out of the top eight picks

457
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Speaker 3: maybe to start the draft could be wide receivers. Maybe

458
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Speaker 3: even better than that, we'll see. But it's not just

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Speaker 3: the big three. There's a lot of talent and stress.

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Speaker 3: So let's start here. The twenty twenty four Reception Perception

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Speaker 3: Man Crush Award winner.

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Speaker 1: Is Oh, I'll just start off with Roma Dunza there,

463
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Speaker 1: because to me, I don't watch college football on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a happily married man, and I already

465
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Speaker 1: ruined like three days of the week with nfell work.

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Speaker 1: It would be kind of hard to justify to missus

467
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Speaker 1: harmon like I'm gonna ruin one more day of the

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Speaker 1: week by watching a bunch of college football. It's something

469
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really have anything to do with my job.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not super familiar with these players before watching

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Speaker 1: them for the draft, other than obviously I knew Marvin

472
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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior's name and knew the hype around that particular player,

473
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Speaker 1: So coming into this process, I didn't really know anything

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Speaker 1: about these guys. But the first time I put on

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Speaker 1: the film of Romadoonsea, I mean, whatever superlatives you have

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Speaker 1: for this exercise, boys, I could probably say Rome's name

477
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Speaker 1: for most of them, because I think he is just

478
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Speaker 1: so good at everything. I think he's an extremely clean prospect.

479
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Speaker 1: He lines up on the line of scrimmage as a

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Speaker 1: true X receiver, which is not something we could say

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Speaker 1: about last year's draft class. Right like last year's draft class,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of guys like Jackson Smith and

483
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Speaker 1: Jigba z A Flowers, even Jordan Addison, these guys that

484
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Speaker 1: were gonna play off the ball and be more of

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Speaker 1: the kind of complimentary players. All three of the top

486
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Speaker 1: receivers in this draft class are not of that ill

487
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Speaker 1: calthough Malik Neighbors doesn't really line up as that true X,

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Speaker 1: but specifically Rome, like he's just out there doing NFL things,

489
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Speaker 1: running NFL routes. I love the way he gets off

490
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmag against press coverage. I think he's

491
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Speaker 1: a great separator. Really kind of underrated as a separator

492
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Speaker 1: because he has all these contested targets on his resume,

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Speaker 1: But a lot of that is the fact he's running

494
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Speaker 1: downfield routes. He has a quarterback, he's willing to trust

495
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Speaker 1: him in those tight areas. To me, he just looks

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Speaker 1: like kind of a I had did prospect comparisons like

497
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Speaker 1: aggressive and cautious comps for a Yahoo video series this year.

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Speaker 1: My cautious comp for him was Alan Robinson, like another

499
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Speaker 1: guy that just you can line him up at X

500
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Speaker 1: back in his prime and you could win there. You know,

501
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Speaker 1: it's kind of short to intermediate, but also be a

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Speaker 1: contested catch threat. My aggressive comp for him was DeVante Adams,

503
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Speaker 1: another guy that you know wins at all three levels.

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Speaker 1: Great route runner, nice separator, pretty like a solid tackle

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Speaker 1: breaker after the catch, and obviously someone you could throw

506
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Speaker 1: to in contest the situations like, hey, hey, you funnel

507
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Speaker 1: thirty percent of your offense to this guy and you

508
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Speaker 1: never think twice about it. I do think at his peak,

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Speaker 1: Rome could be that guy.

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Speaker 3: Here's a comp from Daniel Jeremiah. He sees Lary Fitzgerald

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Speaker 3: as a comp coming out of college, which is obviously

512
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Speaker 3: high praise too. That's a Hall of Fame re mark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was just gonna say watching him, the contested catches

515
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Speaker 6: stand out. I feel like he had defenders in his

516
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Speaker 6: bee hive and he'd come down with the ball. But

517
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Speaker 6: also a lot of it is with these college guys,

518
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Speaker 6: like you've got these quarterbacks like paired with Michael Pennix Junior,

519
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Speaker 6: I felt like they had like ten thousand catches or

520
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Speaker 6: accombinations that were like forty yards downfield where it just

521
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Speaker 6: was like he could do no wrong, and like, I'm

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Speaker 6: with you. I came away just kind of in love

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Speaker 6: with this guy. So I love what you said that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's so many you mentioned the extraceiver even even

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Speaker 5: the ones further on and we'll get to them. It

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Speaker 5: seems like in compared to the last couple of classes,

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Speaker 5: there's like six seven guys that you could see as

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Speaker 5: number ones. The thing I was worried about going into it,

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Speaker 5: and you can tell me how the reception perception worked

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Speaker 5: out for Roma Dunes. He was like, whenever the first

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Speaker 5: thing you hear is contested catch guy that's been a

532
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Speaker 5: bit almost been in like a red flag for players

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Speaker 5: in the last handful of years. Drake London's a bit

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Speaker 5: of an exception. I think he's kind of made his

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Speaker 5: style of play work in the NFL and he's gotten better.

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Speaker 5: But you're seeing a Donze maybe a little more subtle

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Speaker 5: with his route running, a little more versatile than maybe

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Speaker 5: just positioning him. And he's kind of turned into wide

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Speaker 5: receiver three. We'll see if the NFL agrees with that

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Speaker 5: or not. But he's kind of landed as a three.

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Speaker 5: Even though at the beginning of the process, guys like

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Speaker 5: Jeremiah maybe had him as high or higher than Harrison

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Speaker 5: or Neighbors. It doesn't feel like a lot of people

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Speaker 5: believe he's gonna go ahead of them. You seem to

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Speaker 5: think he's a little more versatile, though, and you would

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Speaker 5: put him ahead of him, would you.

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Speaker 1: I had a long kind of internal debate with myself,

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Speaker 1: you know, my war room up here, me and the

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Speaker 1: two dogs. We had a long internal debate of like

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Speaker 1: who was the wide receiver one in this class? Which

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Speaker 1: to me, I think I was close to making it

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Speaker 1: Rome I eventually maybe just broke a few ties in

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Speaker 1: favor of Marvin Harrison. But Rome is the second guy

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Speaker 1: to me, and Malik Neighbors is a third guy. Now,

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Speaker 1: my mission statement with this draft class, these top three

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Speaker 1: guys in particular, like, these guys are all so close,

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Speaker 1: they're all great prospects. To me, they're all tier one

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Speaker 1: prospects on my stacked board for the last four classes.

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Speaker 1: So like, you like this guy with this guy that's

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Speaker 1: with me, you want to take this trait over that

561
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Speaker 1: trade also fine with me. It's kind of reminiscent. You

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Speaker 1: brought up Drake London. To me, this is reminiscent a

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Speaker 1: little bit to that draft class where like you could

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Speaker 1: put Drake number one, you could have put Garrett Wilson

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Speaker 1: number one, You could have put Chris Alave number one,

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Speaker 1: and I would have been fine with that. Ultimately I

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Speaker 1: went with that year kind of the route running craft

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Speaker 1: guy which was Chris Olave and then you know, then

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Speaker 1: Drake London, then Garrett Wilson. To me, I think I'd

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Speaker 1: probably flip that up now that they're in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But I see this group as very similar to that.

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Speaker 2: It could.

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Speaker 1: It kind of depends what type of player and what

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Speaker 1: number one receiver you value in terms of a traits perspective.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, like on the separation part of it, it

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Speaker 1: was a very similar exercise with with Drake London where

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Speaker 1: you actually had to watch him on film and see

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Speaker 1: the routes developed to like, no, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: that is getting open early in the routes and maybe

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Speaker 1: gets thrown into some of these contested situations. Like Terry

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Speaker 1: mclaurin's always kind of high in the NFL in terms

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Speaker 1: of percentage of contested targets. But I don't find any

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Speaker 1: issues with his separation. I think he's just played with

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Speaker 1: some erratic quarterback playing. And Michael Pennix is a good quarterback,

585
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Speaker 1: but he is a little bit of an erratic passer

586
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Speaker 1: down the field as well.

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Speaker 5: All Right, I'll throw it out you and look, rum

588
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 5: could have been the answer to this, but now you're

589
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Speaker 5: gonna have to pick someone else.

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Speaker 4: All Right.

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Speaker 5: The wide receiver in this class that would have been

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Speaker 5: a number one would have been the number one receiver

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Speaker 5: in last year's class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you could go with any of the top three guys.

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Speaker 1: I think you could honestly make an argument that even

596
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Speaker 1: like Brian Thomas and JSN kind of have similar grades

597
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Speaker 1: in terms of last year's draft class. But I'll say

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Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors as the obvious guy here. Another one that

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Speaker 1: to me is my wide receiver three, but easily with

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Speaker 1: a bullet would have had like a tier break between

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Speaker 1: him and any of the players last year. Neighbors is

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Speaker 1: very fun. He's he's like an easy player to love

603
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Speaker 1: because I think it takes like three plays to see, oh,

604
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Speaker 1: this guy's different from an explosiveness standpoint. Like I mentioned

605
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Speaker 1: that twenty two class, I'll bring it up here again

606
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Speaker 1: that he's kind of the Garrett Wilson of that draft

607
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Speaker 1: class to me, where he's a little bit of like

608
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Speaker 1: a wild horse route runner. He's not the most refined player,

609
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Speaker 1: but he's so explos with the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: And if he just continues to develop, you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence, just like I think Garret Wilson has

612
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Speaker 1: developed into a true number one at the NFL level.

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Speaker 1: I think neighbors could do that too.

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Speaker 6: One thing noticing watching him is like I love the

615
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Speaker 6: seeing the body language of the poor individual that's forced

616
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Speaker 6: to try to cover him, because it's the kind of

617
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Speaker 6: like the way that you watch a sprinter at the

618
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Speaker 6: end of a race where he's bending his upper body

619
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Speaker 6: forward to try to hit the tape first, and these

620
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Speaker 6: cornerbacks like are losing control of their bodies and like

621
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Speaker 6: he's catching past us nine or ten yards ahead of them,

622
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Speaker 6: And I just think he's like the kind of guy

623
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Speaker 6: that could like break someone's spirit by the end of

624
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Speaker 6: the first quarter in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: He seems so reliable but like so flashy at the

626
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Speaker 5: same time. I mean it maybe it is the LSU

627
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 5: thing and I'm just a simpleton, but he really did

628
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Speaker 5: kind of remind me of Odell or like or like

629
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Speaker 5: a little bigger Steve Steve Smith type, where he's just

630
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Speaker 5: got such a natural feel as a runner and he

631
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Speaker 5: has great hands. So I hear you that, Like maybe

632
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: he's a little rougher around the edges running routes or something,

633
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Speaker 5: but he just seems very easy to project in like

634
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Speaker 5: any of these systems that like, he doesn't need to

635
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Speaker 5: even get any better to just like immediately just put

636
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Speaker 5: a thousand yards plus up there.

637
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Speaker 1: The only thing with him that's different from these top

638
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Speaker 1: two receivers is he does play out of the slot

639
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Speaker 1: the most, which I mean, who cares, it's not that

640
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Speaker 1: big of a deal, but fifty point three percent of

641
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Speaker 1: his sampled snaps in reception perception came from the slot.

642
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Speaker 1: He was more of like a split between on the

643
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Speaker 1: ball or off the ball. But that's totally fine, Like

644
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Speaker 1: you can funnel your offense through that player. But it's

645
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Speaker 1: similar to kind of DJ Moore coming out of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, where the guy but kind of like a

647
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Speaker 1: two X version of that type of player where he

648
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Speaker 1: was rough around the edges from a route running perspective,

649
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Speaker 1: but he was explosive and you could see that he

650
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Speaker 1: was going to develop that in the league. That's why

651
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Speaker 1: I'm not, like, I'm not docking him out of my

652
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: first tier of prospects because he's just the least refined

653
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Speaker 1: of these three players. He's also like not even twenty

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Speaker 1: one yet. I don't think he turns twenty one until

655
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Speaker 1: after he's drafted. So he's a guy that you do

656
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Speaker 1: feel pretty good about that growth. But like you said, Greg,

657
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Speaker 1: his explosive and his ability to break tackles, which in

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Speaker 1: my opinion is easily the best in this class, and

659
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Speaker 1: I think it's actually the best of like the last

660
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Speaker 1: three classes. His ability to make plays in the open

661
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: field like that gives you like a floor for any

662
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: if you're a team like the Giants, which I know

663
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: it's weird with the Giants because they a lot of

664
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: things are weird with the Giants, but they don't have

665
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: they have a lot of like these slot guys, right,

666
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: like guys who've played mostly inside, and Neighbors is a

667
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: mostly inside guy at LSU, but it feels like they

668
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: need someone to just say to Danny Dimes or maybe

669
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Drew Locke at some point, like this is your first read,

670
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna run a crossing route or a dig route

671
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: something like that. You just get the ball to him

672
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: and worry about the rest later. It feels like a

673
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: good way to start to kind of build a foundation

674
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: on your offense.

675
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: That's the Jets offense with Garret Wilson the last two

676
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: years basically.

677
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, correct, which is why I kind of see

678
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: those two guys similarly.

679
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 6: All Right, here's one for you. I'm not Marvin Harrison, Junior,

680
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 6: Malik Neighbors or Roma Denze, but I have the best

681
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 6: chance to put up number one type numbers as a rookie.

682
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Speaker 1: If we're just talking numbers depending on depending on where

683
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: he's drafted. I kind of think it's got to be

684
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, who's the consensus wide receiver for He's my

685
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver for in this draft class. I don't know

686
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: if he has he definitely has the ceiling of a

687
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: number one, but I think he probably projects best as

688
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: like a high end number two. He only runs like

689
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: three routes. I mean, in his reception perception sample, sixty

690
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: seven percent of his routes were a slant, a curl,

691
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: or a go route.

692
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Speaker 4: And that's it. It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean it

693
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: can't learn it.

694
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: How can we kind of learn that with wide receivers

695
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: in these weird systems that they can learn it when

696
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: they get there.

697
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, and you, But at

698
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: the same time, his success rate on a wide variety

699
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: of other routes is really high. Like, I think he

700
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: does show the skills to expand that route tree, but

701
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: it gives you kind of like if you look back

702
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: at DK Metcalf's rookie season, sixty seven percent of the

703
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: routes that he ran as a rookie was a slant,

704
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: a curl, or a go route. And so I think

705
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: that sort of development plan for Brian Thomas. But if

706
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: he lands with the right offense, like I think about

707
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: the Colts at fifteen, make a lot of sense. Like

708
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: you have a guy in Michael Pittman that you're gonna

709
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: throw the ball to a ton in the short to

710
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: intermediate area, and then you have Brian Thomas just kind

711
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: of ripping you on the routes that you wanted Alec

712
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: Pierce to win on. That makes a lot of sense

713
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: to me just from a pure numbers perspective. I think

714
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: he can put up like number one numbers and then

715
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Speaker 1: maybe eventually grow into that player.

716
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 5: He's the guy I was hoping you would say for

717
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: the last one, because I don't have many draft takes

718
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: where I'm personally like a like a student who is

719
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 5: just studying for the test at the very last minute

720
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 5: and then like is over confident going into it. But

721
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 5: my one over confident take is like, you can't take

722
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior too high if I didn't know anything

723
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 5: about it, I'm just sort of basic. If I didn't

724
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 5: know anything about where these guys were, and you just

725
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: watch Brian Thomas's six games, You're like, wait, why is

726
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: he not at top five?

727
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: Pick? Why is he not at like cause his stop.

728
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: And start and his ability to move so smoothly at

729
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 5: that size is just insane, Like it's just as insane.

730
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: I kind of see his ceiling like in a perfect

731
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: world where it all went well, is like just as

732
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: high as those other guys. And I get it, Like

733
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: he used to be a basketball player. He ran a

734
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: limited amount of routes that you know, some of these

735
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 5: deep threats from the SEC, like like Jmo having totally

736
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: worked out, but a guy that huge, that can run

737
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 5: like that, that can stop like that, Like he looked

738
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: like Nico Collins to me, looks now and Nico Collins

739
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: is great now. And I was like, if he looks

740
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: that good now and he's this age, and like his

741
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 5: testing is off the charts, like he could be Nico

742
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: Collins plus plus, which is which is like a top

743
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: ten receiver. So like I I wouldn't be shocked if,

744
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: like if the Falcons or one of those teams takes

745
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: him in the top ten just because of the way

746
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: he looks. If a Dunze goes early, like I don't

747
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: see why he wouldn't go against ahead of some of

748
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: these defensive players or tackles too.

749
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Speaker 4: But maybe I'm stupid.

750
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Speaker 1: You're not stupid, Greg, But I think the good the

751
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: good things Thomas. The good thing with Brian Thomas is

752
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: you also saw him get better throughout the year, right,

753
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: Like I think a lot of analytic models will ding

754
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: him because he only has this one big year of production.

755
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: But that production number one was earned and number two,

756
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: like you saw him on film, get better, like the

757
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: September routes are not as good as the December routes.

758
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Like the later games, He's getting better and better. He's

759
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: already making that development, that projection that you kind of

760
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: want him to make. And I just love the idea

761
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: of him across from a competent number one, so that

762
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Atlanta spot makes a lot of sense to where you're

763
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: getting the most out of him. And then you know

764
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Speaker 1: Drake London's or Michael Pittman from the example that I

765
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Speaker 1: gave earlier.

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Speaker 3: All Right, everybody, let's stop down for one minute. We'll

767
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: take a break, and then we'll continue on with Matt Harmon.

768
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Speaker 3: All right, we're back. So along those similar lines to

769
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Speaker 3: Mark's questions, so we've now hit on the mount rushmore

770
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Speaker 3: here if you will, of prospects at this position. Let's

771
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 3: talk superlative for sleeper stud So who's flying under the

772
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: radar here a bit as a twenty twenty four. I'm

773
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: not saying super or number one wide receiver, but a

774
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: guy that steps in and is an immediate difference maker,

775
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: like a Nico Collins, and then he develops and turns

776
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Speaker 3: into a star, like, who is the difference maker that

777
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: people aren't talking about.

778
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Speaker 1: I really like Ricky Piersaw is kind of my favorite

779
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: guy that's in a few tiers down fun player. I

780
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: think he's a really good route runner. To me, he

781
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: seems like a guy that's just going to be a

782
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: quarterback's best friend very early on, because he's really good

783
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: on like slant routes and flat routes and these sort

784
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: of just routes around the line of scrimmage. But he's

785
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: got legit juice down the field. He's a guy that

786
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: you see on film play all three positions, so you

787
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: see him a little bit at X. I think his

788
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: most likely home in the NFL is going to be

789
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: as a flanker slot, like a guy that moves between

790
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: those two positions, someone that I think has that sort

791
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: of floor that you're talking about early on Dan where

792
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: he just gets open against man's own coverage. It's a

793
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: little more average around press, but again there are ways

794
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: to hide that. You get him working around the line

795
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He's a quarterbacks best friend. He's always at

796
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: the right landmarks. He's always at the right place in

797
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: terms of where you want him from a route running perspective,

798
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: but I do see the upside for him to develop

799
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: into like one hundred and twenty type of target player

800
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: in year two, year three. I think that there's a

801
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: chance that he goes higher than people think, just because

802
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: he checks a lot of like athletic measurements as well

803
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: that you really want to see. So he's been a

804
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: guy that outside of the first couple tiers of this class,

805
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: that I've really gravitated to from.

806
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, a.

807
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Sleeper perspective, because more people are talking about him now

808
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: than they were at the beginning of the process, but

809
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: definitely a player.

810
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 5: It's the draft process. Everyone talks about everyone. It's un right.

812
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 5: I'm almost disappointed though, that he was your answer, because

813
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: he's really one of only two options for my next category,

814
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 5: which is just white guy that Mark is going to

815
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: fall in love with. There's really only two guys, probably

816
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 5: towards the top of the draft unless.

817
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Speaker 6: I yeah, mcgreg it's the other guys, so you set

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00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 6: the table. Well, oh okay, I'm just well, it's up

819
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 6: to Matt though to guess.

820
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: There's no way the guy isn't Ladd McConkie. I mean,

821
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: there's just no way.

822
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: Gotta be. It's gotta be.

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00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: But the the great But of course, but the best

824
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: part about Lad McConkie.

825
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: Somewhere Zack Zenner just got like a shiver and he's

826
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: like someone is thinking of me.

827
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: Wasn't Zach Center was in the news for something recently,

828
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: like in.

829
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: Two thousand and six during the preseason.

830
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: Maybe now, I swear to god I saw something about

831
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: like he went back to school or started a business

832
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I'll deep dive that for you, Mark

833
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: and send you the article after the show. But yeah,

834
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie, the great part about him is that he's

835
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: not just your typical like lunch pale, gritty, white slot receiver.

836
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: The guy legitimately wins on deep routes and like actually,

837
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: in terms of reception perception, the game sampled here he

838
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: was more of an outside receiver. You saw him play

839
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot more. Now he does struggle against press coverage.

840
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: He does struggle against in like contesta situations. But again,

841
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: those are things you can get around from like a

842
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: deployment perspective. You can move him inside. You can also

843
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: move him off the ball, like so many of these

844
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: receivers now I think are going to have their worlds

845
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: opened up by how much motion is going on in

846
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: the NFL right now, especially these like full speed motion

847
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that a lot of smart coaching staffs are using. So

848
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: McConkey could be a guy there, But I think he

849
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: runs the best out routes in the class. Like just

850
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: pure I'm selling vertical routes and then I break to

851
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: the outside. That's Lad maconkey. To me, his success rate

852
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: on out routes is among the best in the class.

853
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: It's among the best of the last few years. So

854
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: when I was trying to think of like a cop

855
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: for him and go beyond the gritty white slot receiver cop,

856
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: because I don't really think that's how he he plays.

857
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I like went into the RP database and looked like

858
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: who has some of the best out routes since twenty fourteen,

859
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: and Tyler Lockett popped up as like a comparison player,

860
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's sort of the kind of the

861
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: bucket that Lad fits into. If he can play inside,

862
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: he can also play outside, and he's more of a

863
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: speed based slot receiver when you do line him up.

864
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 6: There, I've got one for you, Like if you Matt

865
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 6: Harmon had to write like a Shakespearean sonnet to you know,

866
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 6: not one of the stars that we've talked about, but

867
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 6: like a girl next door type of wide receiver. That's

868
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 6: a weird way to put it, but just like a

869
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: little under the radar, like who would you pen the

870
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 6: sonnet too?

871
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: And of your affections?

872
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Uh pearsall would have been an option, but you know,

873
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm intimidated by the leg tattoo, So I'll go with

874
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: Malik Washington, who actually went to school in Charlottesville, nearer

875
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: where I live now in Virginia Beach. Guys, just like

876
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: a fun player I don't know what the ceiling is for,

877
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, a smaller receiver like this that really only

878
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: has like one year of major production. But I mean

879
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: he's got fantastic hands. He breaks a ton of tackles,

880
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: like he plays bigger than his size. So if I

881
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: was writing kind of that sonnet to a player, I

882
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: definitely think i'd pick Malik Washington as kind of the

883
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: deeper sleeper.

884
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 5: Here it shows how hard that this class is crazy,

885
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: because it feels like, you know, six receivers could go

886
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 5: in the first round or something, but it almost feels

887
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 5: like there's like nine or ten guys who could be fire.

888
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 5: There's like five or six guys who could be that

889
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 5: fifth or six, and there's not really a consensus who

890
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 5: it's gonna be, And then that means there could be

891
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 5: like ten to thirteen in the second through two rounds,

892
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: Like Malik Washington is not a name I've even heard,

893
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 5: as probably in the first three rounds, there's like fifteen

894
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 5: to seventeen guys, and it really seems like there's a

895
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: lot of disagreement where there could be ten to twelve

896
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: guys that could go anywhere from like pick twenty five

897
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 5: to pick seventy five, which is just crazy in terms

898
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 5: of what flavor. Like if you're running a team, which

899
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 5: guy who's athletic do you not really trust? Like an

900
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: awesome athlete that maybe is in that bucket of like

901
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: he could go pretty high, but that you're not really feeling.

902
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: I haven't really had that well, I don't really have

903
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: any like true full field athlete. I do think that

904
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: the Xavier worthy for two to one, the speed part

905
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: of it, if that if that pushes him up in

906
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: the first round, that's gonna make me just a little

907
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: bit nervous. I think he's much better at doing like

908
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: real wide receiver things than some of these other kind

909
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: of smaller speed based receivers. But he's just not good

910
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: at contest the situations. He's a guy that's gonna have

911
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: to kind of be used in one of these specialized

912
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: roles where he's full speed motion at the snap. That

913
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely great, Like teams want viable target earners in

914
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: that position now, so I can see the vision there

915
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: depending on the coaching staff. But there are just a

916
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of other receivers that I prefer in terms of

917
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: that can give you like high volume perspective, like high

918
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: volume type of season. So he's one that if you

919
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: went in the first round, I'd be a little nervous.

920
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: If you went in the second round, I'm like, all right,

921
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: I see where your.

922
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: Vision is there.

923
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: To that point, I'm totally with you. Player like that

924
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: with that skill set and that flash you got, where

925
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: he ends up is so important and what coaching staff

926
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: and what the surrounding talent is you kind of you

927
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: have to have a a scheme that knows how to

928
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: use a player like that.

929
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: You kind of hit on a question greg I had.

930
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: I was asking kind of who to you might be

931
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: more LaQuan treadwill Well then justin Jefferson. So a guy

932
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: that is so there is there a guy to you

933
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: out there other than other than four two one that

934
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: jumps out to you as someone that you think is like, oh,

935
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: if I were running a team, I'm staying away or

936
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: are you just like this clay Where there aren't.

937
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: A lot of red flags out there.

938
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of red flags in terms of

939
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: the early guys. Because I know some people don't like

940
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell, the other receiver from Texas. I actually like

941
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: him better than Xavier Worthy, just because I think you

942
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: see him do like real NFL X receiver things, and

943
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: he's definitely a volatile prospect, but I can understand chasing

944
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: the upside there. The guy that I've been kind of

945
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: like back and forth on where my feeling on him

946
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: to changes depending on the game that I chart is

947
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: Xavier Legette, who some people do have as a late

948
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: first round pick. To me, that's definitely pretty rich despite

949
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he's got great tackle breaking ability and

950
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: he shows an ability to get open on certain routes

951
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: at that size, it's very impressive to see him working

952
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: out there. But at the same time, I do think

953
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: he is a developmental player that might take a few years,

954
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and even like that type of average separator is typically

955
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: like it matters even more where he ends up because

956
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: you've got to find the right quarterback to to sort

957
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: of see that, like sort of see that vision if

958
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be an outside player, which I do think

959
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be the case. Like I look at another guy,

960
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, who's not a separator, but if you look

961
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: at his reception perception profile, I won't bore you guys

962
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: with like the very hardcore percentile stats.

963
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: With this, get dirty, get dirty with the numbers.

964
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: There's another say there's another drop. But like over the

965
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: over the last few draft classes I've charted, there's a

966
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: handful of players that have been below the thirty fifth

967
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: percentile and success rate versus man zone and press coverage

968
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: or at least two of the three. Almost all of

969
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: them have been total flameouts except five guys, and they've

970
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: all become like big slot receivers like Rashi Rice was

971
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: an outside receiver who didn't really get open. He moved

972
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: inside in the NFL found career success in year one.

973
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm on ross Saint Brown. He was good against zone coverage,

974
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: but wasn't really great against man and press coverage as

975
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: an outside receiver at USC, moves in the slot, has

976
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: a great season, has a great career, obviously. Jujus Smith

977
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: Schuster another one struggled beaten man press coverage outside as

978
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: a collegiate player, was a big slot receiver in his

979
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: good year with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like I see that

980
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: vision with Keon Coleman, where he's a guy that is

981
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: below that thirty fifth percentile mark and man and press coverage,

982
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: but it's a pretty solid zone beater, and he's pretty

983
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: good on these routes like dig routes and slant routes,

984
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: and so if the right team takes him, you know

985
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: that has a coaching stat like the Chiefs they take

986
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Rashid Rice. I talked to Rashid Rice at the Super

987
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: Bowl kind of asked him, like when did the vision

988
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: of you becoming this receiver, like a big slot receiver

989
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: sort of when did that materialize? And he said it

990
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: was right after he was drafted, and like Brett Veach

991
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: talked about in the post draft presser, they saw him

992
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: as like a juju kind of replacement for them, which

993
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: was weird. To me because he was mostly a pure

994
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: outside receiver in college. So the right team takes Keon

995
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Coleman has that vision for him. I can see that

996
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: working out with Lagett because he's a ball winner and

997
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: like he theoretically is more of an like a straight

998
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: line athlete. In my opinion, I think he has to

999
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: be an outside receiver and in that case is going

1000
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: to take kind of the right team to really maximize

1001
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: that skill set.

1002
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: He looks like the freakiest maybe of any of these.

1003
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 5: It's a little worrisome that you're like a fifth year

1004
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: senior that you know, for various reasons, didn't have production

1005
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: before you were twenty three, playing against some nineteen year olds.

1006
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: But if you just like, look at this man running down.

1007
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: The field, he's a total He looks like DK Metcalf

1008
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 5: or A J.

1009
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: Brown.

1010
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: So some team has got to fall in love with

1011
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: that at some point and just try to make it work.

1012
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: And don't forget greg that Tommy Callahan, son of Big

1013
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: Tom Callahan, after a rough start on the road with

1014
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: his colleague, ended up making Callahan's break pads hugely successful

1015
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: in Tommy Boy. So just because you might he was

1016
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: an eighth year senior as I recall, and Tommy did

1017
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: just fine in the end.

1018
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: A trenching point in nice thanks, nicely.

1019
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: Done, thank you, last thing before we let you go. Macaus,

1020
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: I know you're busy. Whither rock Bowers M. I don't

1021
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: chart tight ends. Man, No, I love I love it.

1022
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: I love the man that was last year.

1023
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: Last year was a for The man has a code

1024
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: respect code methodology.

1025
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: It is.

1026
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: It is a serious code. Because the Kyle Pitts bros.

1027
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Have been, you know, banging on my door for years

1028
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: now about like where's our Kyle Pits reception perception chart?

1029
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: And I have two reasons why I only stick to

1030
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. One is kind of the the

1031
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: statistical reason that I've been doing reception perception now in

1032
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: these wide receivers for ten plus years. Like you know,

1033
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I've been working on this for a long time. I

1034
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: have a very understanding of what the data show, very

1035
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: good understanding what the data shows us, right like you

1036
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: did you score this against man coverage? I understand where

1037
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: your position should be. I should understand like what thresholds

1038
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: are that all that type of stuff. To start a

1039
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: whole new database with tight ends, we're starting from square one.

1040
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: The second reason is can if I can work blue

1041
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: on this show? I got enough show on my plate. Okay,

1042
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: like I got I got enough wide receivers on my plate.

1043
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: Right we're talking about there's you mentioned Greg, there's gonna

1044
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: be eyes that come off the board in the third

1045
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: round that I'm not gonna have a route chart for.

1046
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: And it's gonna it's gonna make me nervous, it gonna

1047
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: make me feel weird.

1048
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1049
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: Let's be fair, though.

1050
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: We began this conversation with you saying, James Co your

1051
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: partner with reception perception, who, by the way, is one

1052
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: of the great showmen and hosts. But he wants to

1053
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: bite at the apple and he wants to start studying.

1054
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: He wants to start charting. Give him tight ends, throw

1055
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: him that bone. Let's expand the property.

1056
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I would love to James, this is your call. Step

1057
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: up to the plate, buddy, contribute contribute to the to

1058
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: the charting here. I mean, listen, this is what we

1059
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: did with Derek Lassen, who does great work on quarterbacks.

1060
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Derek is a free agent not

1061
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: working for football outsiders anymore. Let's get him to chart

1062
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for reception perception. Dot com and that's what he

1063
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: does now, So aspiring tight end whisper out there. Yea,

1064
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: this is this is your call. Come come chart tight

1065
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: ends for reception perception and that's how we'll get it done.

1066
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't think.

1067
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 6: I don't think like tight end perception is gonna work

1068
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: well on certain corners of the Internet. But that's okay,

1069
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 6: inside of your your great.

1070
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: I was gonna sat but that's a little, a little

1071
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: backdoor entry to get into the data.

1072
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: Nailed it.

1073
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: Matt Harmon at Matt Harmon underscore b y B on Twitter.

1074
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: Sorry Mark X. Also check him out on Yahoo and

1075
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: of course reception Perception dot com which has everything in

1076
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: the wider wide receiver realm. And if we're lucky, tight

1077
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: ends very soon. Matt, you're the best buddy.

1078
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: Appreciate you boys for having me.

1079
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is awesome.

1080
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: And can't wait to see where these guys actually get

1081
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: drafted and then we can have a real conversation about it.

1082
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: I can't wait, Thank God.

1083
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and when we got back,

1084
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: we'll put a button on this.

1085
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: One welcome back.

1086
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I gotta get me myself a mythology.

1087
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that does we didn't if we had

1088
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: to have a mythology. I think you're talking about like

1089
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: a methodology. You've created quite a mythology of oh, mythology. Yeah,

1090
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 5: methodology is I think methodology.

1091
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: Methodology, mythology, mythology, that's what you got.

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 6: You've got that down. I think the methodology part of it.

1093
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 6: I'm just letting you know. I think you're you've got

1094
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 6: a lot going on too. Just like Matt was saying,

1095
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 6: like it would probably take about one hundred plus hours

1096
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 6: a week to create some sort of rival site to this,

1097
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 6: and you starting it back in twenty thirteen would have

1098
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 6: been a wise move.

1099
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Are you ready to take that on now?

1100
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 6: Well?

1101
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: Just like how does one come up with a methodology? Like?

1102
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: How does one like? How does that originate within one's

1103
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 3: own brain? That that, to me is something that I

1104
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: aspire to have an idea come into my mind that

1105
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: makes me think, not only is this an interesting idea,

1106
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: this might be a methodology.

1107
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 4: I mean, this is not the way you use the

1108
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: word methodology.

1109
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: You have done that, Dan, like that, this is that

1110
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 5: podcast the way you create different episodes of the shows

1111
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 5: and heighten certain characteristics from other people and that.

1112
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: Actually, that is your methodology. That's very nice. That is

1113
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: the correct usage.

1114
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: But that's not what I'm thinking of.

1115
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: I want something like Matt has, where people come off like, whoa,

1116
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: that guy is smart, that guy has his own methodology. Yeah,

1117
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: I mean listening to ATM and be like, well, Dan

1118
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: really nailed his methodology this week.

1119
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 6: But part of your mythology is this like state mandated

1120
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 6: mythology lagged hardcore.

1121
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1122
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 6: Part of your mythology, though, is the fact that you're

1123
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 6: notoriously ill at math, that you don't have any skills

1124
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 6: at math, so you can't market you don't have to

1125
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 6: reverse market that.

1126
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: Let's that's true.

1127
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Let's let's talk about Zach Xaner, real quick, undrafted

1128
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: rookie out of South Dakota State mark the preseason rushing

1129
00:49:53,840 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: leader in two thousand and sixteen when he rush for

1130
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: a buck eighty three on thirty five totes five point

1131
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: two yards per Carrie. I didn't really translate, and Zach

1132
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: is obviously long gone from the league, but he is

1133
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: active on social media. I just came across this late

1134
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: in our conversation with Maddie. Here it is Zach Xenner

1135
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 3: thirty one follow him. When someone tells me I don't

1136
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: have time, I think they don't have a strategy. I

1137
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: had twenty five minutes to eat lunch and shower and

1138
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: no prepped food parentheticals. Yesterday, put two salmon filets in

1139
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: the airfire, showered, then ate it with some veggies and supplements.

1140
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: Still made my two PM Part two.

1141
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: Was it my best meal?

1142
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 5: No?

1143
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: But I got my protein in and the nutrients came

1144
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: from unprocessed whole food sources. The key was that I

1145
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: had a plan in case I didn't have time to

1146
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: prepare my typical lunch. Strategies and plans are crucial for

1147
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: any goal, especially healthy and wellness. There you go, so

1148
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: Zaxy on the path to He's got his own methodology

1149
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: around health, fitness and wellness. So he's on that path

1150
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: in life.

1151
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 6: I think, I if you, if you look back at it,

1152
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 6: I I from a certain angle.

1153
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: I properly scouted him. Which angle would that be exactly?

1154
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 6: I mean, we're ten years later and he couldn't be

1155
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 6: more successful. He's writing long mantras about air fryars and showering. Yeah,

1156
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 6: and he's got more almost four thousand views on that

1157
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 6: first tweet.

1158
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's a blast at parties. He was in

1159
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 5: the news recently as as Matt said that he's taken

1160
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 5: his mcat and he actually has a nutrition company, so

1161
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 5: it all it all, and he wants to be an agent.

1162
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 5: So he's got a lot, a lot of things going on,

1163
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 5: and you know, now we've got some some white receivers

1164
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: to fill his his place. I was surprised he went

1165
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: Pearsall there too, by the way, because Pearsall was a

1166
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 5: guy didn't didn't get me going watching him because those guys,

1167
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 5: it's a it's kind of a cliche to say that

1168
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 5: the white guys fit better in the slot and they

1169
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 5: tested out out of the him.

1170
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 4: There's got a better way to put that, well, but

1171
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: it's true.

1172
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 5: What do you mean, Well, it's like a big cliche

1173
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 5: that you put the white guys in the slot. There's

1174
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: there's not many white outside receivers for a long time,

1175
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: and these guys have crazy athletic scores. But Pierce All

1176
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 5: really is a slot guy, and that kind of limits

1177
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 5: I think where we would go. And McConkey, he mentioned

1178
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 5: like was not beating outside press coverage, Like it was

1179
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 5: not the type of receiver that you would normally see

1180
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 5: go on, but he snaps, he moves well like in

1181
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: some team is gonna fall.

1182
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 6: Don't you think Maconky is like pretty fun to watch?

1183
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 6: I mean I spent like, yeah, I didn't spin out.

1184
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 6: I can see working giant.

1185
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: What got me?

1186
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 6: That's what put me in the doorway because I was like,

1187
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 6: is he related to film a Coonkye?

1188
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: And no, there's no no relation. The internet.

1189
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 6: I guess if you, I mean, if you know, if

1190
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 6: you if you dug deep into the family tree, you know,

1191
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: I'm sure there is.

1192
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: But it's not like his son or something big fun.

1193
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: Can you dig deep into the Maconkie family tree and

1194
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: see if the four I'm a New York Giants wide

1195
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: receiver teammate of Sean Landena, I believe Mark who had

1196
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: a circus catch in Super Bowl twenty one against the

1197
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos, if he is related in any way to

1198
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: the highly lauded draft prospect Ladd McConkie, Ladd la double

1199
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 3: d mconkie, thank you anything else?

1200
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: Boys, that's fun.

1201
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 5: It's such a crazy draft that there's guys like like

1202
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: Troy Franklin. He's got an outside chance to get drafted

1203
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 5: in the first round. Like we didn't even mention Harrison

1204
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 5: or whatever. There's just it's almost hard to like figure

1205
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 5: out which one is which guy here, Like Texas, for instance,

1206
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 5: has two we mentioned that could both go in the

1207
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 5: first round in Worthy and Ady Mitchell.

1208
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: There's just like guy upon guy upon guy. And that's good.

1209
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: Because as we talked about, there's like a million teams

1210
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 5: that have needs at the position.

1211
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: And you're right, it feels almost strange not to dig

1212
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: in on Marvin Harrison Junior and this episode, the one

1213
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: with the wide receivers. But I will say this, he

1214
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 3: is number two on Daniel Jeremiah's top fifty twenty twenty

1215
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: four NFL prospects that he just put out, and I

1216
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: don't agree with the decision, but I don't have full

1217
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: control of things, Like we will have Jeremiah on the

1218
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: show next week, and let's dig in on Harrison when

1219
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: he is with us. One last thought, because we have

1220
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: so many potentially high end wide receivers or certainly at

1221
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 3: the very least sought after wide receivers, and a reminder

1222
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: that not everything works. And of course Matt Harmon is

1223
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: going to be tracking this on RP reception, perception and

1224
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: a lot of these guys are gonna pop, but sometimes

1225
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: it just doesn't translate. I thought about with this many

1226
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: wide receivers this position, it's probably if you probably really

1227
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: do the dive, it's probably not that out of the ordinary.

1228
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 3: It certainly happens with the quarterback position for obvious reasons.

1229
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: But teams can go on runs in the first round.

1230
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: Two years come to mind, twenty twenty three. Last year

1231
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: four straight wide receivers. Seattle took JSN at twenty, the

1232
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: Chargers took Quenton Johnson at twenty one, Baltimore took Zay

1233
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 3: Flowers at twenty two, and then Jordan Addison went to

1234
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: the Vikings at twenty three. And then I had mentioned

1235
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: the Lakwan Treadwell, who did not work out from Minnesota.

1236
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: He was part of another run in twenty sixteen when

1237
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: Houston took Will Fuller at twenty one, Washington took Josh

1238
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: Dockson at twenty two, and then Treadwell twenty three. None

1239
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: of those guys really made it well, Fuller almost did

1240
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: but then disappeared. Strange, So I wonder if we're going

1241
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 3: to get that, if we're going to get this year

1242
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: another one where we get a run of three or

1243
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: even four guys in a row.

1244
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: I think we will.

1245
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: But I think so we're going to get I still

1246
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 6: look at I know it looks like the best class

1247
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 6: we've ever had during our show, clearly, but forty percent

1248
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 6: of them are going to be on the same team

1249
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 6: three years from now.

1250
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: I believe it's different.

1251
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 5: The receiver has hit well, Like you look at that

1252
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 5: AJ Brown class and granted those guys it was crazy

1253
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 5: because they went and the second McLaurin was in the

1254
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 5: third they were all over the place. A lot of

1255
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 5: the like it. To me, it's hit at a higher

1256
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 5: level than other positions. And the difference this year is like,

1257
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 5: I'm pretty confident Brian Thomas would have gotten drafted over

1258
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 5: all those receivers last year, and he's four here, Like

1259
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 5: I think he'll go top top twelve, top fifteen. So

1260
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 5: it is a better class than I think we've seen

1261
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 5: in the last few Then there'll be some boomer Bus

1262
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 5: guys after that.

1263
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 6: Well, and like a rookie wide receiver contract is very

1264
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 6: valuable too. But I I I'm just saying, I'm telling

1265
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 6: you let's let's let's talk in four years and see

1266
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 6: where we are.

1267
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: It's not all gonna be starters and number one dudes.

1268
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: All Right, Mark, we get it, you know.

1269
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 6: I mean I don't know because I'm like I was

1270
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 6: like looking at but we don't have to dwell on

1271
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 6: it well because you know, I was looking at the

1272
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 6: draft class from just like three years ago and I

1273
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 6: find it relatively depressing, which one just like in general,

1274
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 6: what's happened to tons of players that we were squawking about?

1275
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not you know, I get it. I'm not

1276
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: trying to go down that path. But it's like, oh, Mark,

1277
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: you sent it called Sonova bitch.

1278
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm with you, though, but I think it's like, I mean, I.

1279
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: Said it first, but you know, we don't need to

1280
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: hammer it home that these guys play.

1281
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm tapping it, understand.

1282
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: All right?

1283
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 5: How about the twenty twenty two would be the closest comp,

1284
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: but this one would probably be viewed as better Garrett Wilson,

1285
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 5: Drake London, O Love.

1286
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 4: I mean those are all hits.

1287
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 6: That, yeah, but I'm not talking about the first five guy,

1288
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 6: and we're talking about like there's sixteen, like twenty people.

1289
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 6: Like the comps for the bottom ten are a lot

1290
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 6: of them are just sort of normal wide receivers, so whatever,

1291
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 6: we'll see Well, in half a decade, I will be right.

1292
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: Yes, we will circle back in exactly half a decade. Finally,

1293
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: one bit of update here, Big Funk, who never shies

1294
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: away from any challenge, including incredible photoshop work on the

1295
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four San Diego gray Beard's Media Guide. He

1296
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: has a date. According to Randy, this is a direct quote.

1297
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: There is no reported relation between eighties mconkie in twenty

1298
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: twenties mconkie.

1299
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: Well that was what Mark said.

1300
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: That was reporting, right, But we threw it to Randy,

1301
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: so if you want it, if it makes it feel

1302
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 3: more official, Randy is officially.

1303
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: Going on record that there is no relation. Well, I appreciate.

1304
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 6: I appreciate Randy, but it doesn't feel any more official

1305
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 6: to me because I went and researched it like like

1306
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 6: this week myself.

1307
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: But that's fine, Oh, Raby, this isn't good out.

1308
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: For you, Randy says, We'll take this, mister Cinek. The

1309
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: mconkie name originates from Irish.

1310
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: Del Riata delta dan Tarriata.

1311
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: It's Gaelic, I guess, so while not direct, there may

1312
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: be something somewhere down the line.

1313
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 4: Well, sure, we're all related somewhere down the line.

1314
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: If you go far enough back, you know what I think,

1315
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: that's that's a great way to the end end the episode,

1316
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: greg that we are all, we all bleed red, and

1317
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: we might not all look the same, but we are one,

1318
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: even if we are not the same.

1319
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Speaker 2: Till Monday heat the b