WEBVTT - Children of Dictators 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.920 Hello everybody. I am Robert Evans, and this is Behind 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.559 the Bastards to show where we tell you everything you 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.760 don't know about the very worst people in all of history. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.040 Today with me is my former boss at Cracked and 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:26.520 current boss at Stuff Media, Jack O'Brien at me, Jack O'Brien, 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:31.200 and today Jack Attack. We are talking about the children 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.239 of dictators, which I know you you just had another kid, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.640 did um, and you're you're kind of like the podcast 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.400 equivalent of a dictator. Yeah, so there might be some 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.760 tips here. I didn't realize that's how we were coming 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.320 at this, But okay, I feel like you can empathize 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.519 with the fathers the father figures. Well, at least you 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.080 can give me some you know, I'm not. I don't 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.120 have kids, so I may not know if something is 0:00:56.120 --> 0:01:02.200 actually a good parenting tactic. Well, my children are two 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:07.000 and two weeks old, so I have yet to be 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.440 able to funk them up totally given one of them 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.120 control of either a soccer team or a military unit. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.440 Not yet. Okay, Okay, third birthday gonna be a lot 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.520 of that in this podcast. All right, I've spent most 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.160 of the last week reading about the various children of Dictators. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.480 There's a number of sources for this podcast, which I'll 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.119 go through as we read them, but I do want 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:33.319 to upfront plug a book called Children of Monsters by j. Nordlinger. Uh. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.920 It's a great book. I'll be referencing it regularly here. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.160 There are a lot of players in this podcast, so 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.679 I kind of figured my best bet would be to 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.360 start with the dictator who I think was probably the 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.440 best parent out of all of them, Fidel Castro. Um. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.880 I'm not saying Fidel was a good parent. He was 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.160 terrible by every normal measure of being a dad, but 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.360 none of his kids grew up to be mass raping, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.320 mass torturing monsters, and that counts as a win on 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:04.600 this list. So Castro's oldest son was Fidelito. Uh. Castro 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.120 divorced Fidelito's mom, Murda early and philed to Mexico to 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.840 wage his revolution from Afar. Fidelito's mom's family was well 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.960 connected in Cuban politics, so obviously Castro hated them, and 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.839 he hated that his kid lived with them because they were, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:22.320 you know, bougie as. When Fidelito was six, Castro asked 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.000 nicely if he could have his kid for a two 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.600 week visit. Murder said yes and sent him over, and 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.880 Castro kidnapped him. But not only did he kidnap him, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.560 he didn't even kidnap him to raise him himself. He 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.800 kidnapped him and put him with a foster family that 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.280 he thought would do a better job than the kids. 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:44.720 Actual mom is dictatorship, like you should be over here. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.520 These are better parents for you than your mom and 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.680 certainly better than me. Um. So Murder had to get 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.880 the Mexican government to help her re kidnap her son 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.960 three months later. But in nineteen fifty nine, when Fidelito 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.079 was nine, Castro took power. His mother sent him over 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.160 from New York to visit his dad again because she 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:05.920 thought he should know his dad, even though he had 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.520 already kidnapped him once, which is maybe a questionable call 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.400 from a mom, but I mean, so far, this is 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.880 exactly the story of my two year old so kep coming. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.760 So yeah, Fidelito went over to Cuba to see his dad, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.960 who was, you know, the new dictator of Cuba. They 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.400 post together on top of tanks and basically Castro treated 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.600 him as a prop um. Fun dictator stuff, yeah, fun 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.680 dictator stuff, and a few months after those tank photos 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.400 were taken, there was a horrible car accident Fidelito got 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.280 into um he was badly injured. He went into surgery 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.920 to have his spleen removed on the same night Fidel 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.600 Castro was set to address a bunch of reporters on TV. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.920 The Children of Monsters book quotes a biography of Castro 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.840 called Guerilla Prints, which is both a solid name for 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:53.240 a rap album, uh, and which I'll also quote because 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.520 you know it's great. So this is the night Castro 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.040 was talking to a bunch of press people while his 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.680 son is getting surgery, and he's at least set all 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.840 this up. So all these journalists are talking to him, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.040 but instead of asking him normal questions, they're all asking 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.000 him like, why aren't you leaving to go see your son? 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.440 Why aren't you leaving to go see your son? And uh. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.000 Finally one of them says, Commandante Castro, who is it 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.680 who rules in Cuba? And Castro shouts back the people, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.680 And then the journalist says, well, then the people want 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.720 you to go see your son. And so at this 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.000 Castro turns around and drives off to see his kid. So, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.839 like his son gets in an accident and he's like, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:32.680 how can I spend this for good? Um So, Fittalito 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.800 became a celebrity in Cuba, and he seems to have 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.680 hated it. Castro eventually pulled him out of the line 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.720 lime light and sent him to study nuclear physics in 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.839 the Soviet Union like you do. Um. He became the 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.400 head of Cuba's Atomic Energy Commission in eight Uh. He 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.839 was not good at the job he was. He round 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.800 up getting removed from the position twelve years later in 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.920 ninety two. We don't know why exactly, but it probably 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.480 had something to do with the joint Cuban Russian nuclear reactor. Uh. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.039 There's a great article about this reactor on Gizmodo. On 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.760 the title of the article kind of tells you the 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.960 story the abandoned communist reactor that would have killed us all. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.599 Um So, this reactor that Castro's son was presiding over. Uh. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.320 They basically found that upon its operation, it would have 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.839 been at least fifteen times likelier than the US plant 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.080 to have had a catastrophic meltdown. Based on the weather patterns, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.839 they knew it would only take twenty four hours for 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.960 radioactive materials to reach Florida, if it did melt down, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.400 and since Cuba is not very big, Fidalito's plan was 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:31.839 to dump all of their nuclear waste into the ocean. Um. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:36.840 So he was. He was not a great atomic energy commissioner. Um. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.040 His dad fired him. Uh, he was sent to the 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.560 Cuban Academy of Sciences. And that's not really much else 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.160 to say about Fidalito. He's kind of boring, which is 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.640 basically the best case scenario for a kid on this list, Fidel. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.839 We don't know how many kids Fidel had. We aren't 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.640 even sure if he was married for most of his 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.359 time in power or how many wives he had, but 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.000 we do know that he had another boy, Antonio, who 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.000 became an orthopedic surgeon. An Tonio worked as a physician 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.080 to the Cuban basketball team and seems to be better 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.480 at his job than his older brother. Wasn't building nuclear 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.480 power plants. I'm bringing him up because in two thousand eight, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:13.040 something hilarious happened to him. Uh. Louis Dominiquez, pro democracy activist, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.719 baseball fan, and Cuban American, pretended to be a twenty 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.000 seven year old Colombian sports journalist named Claudia to seduce Antonio. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.240 So the Internet is not allowed in Cuba, but if 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.360 you're a Castro family member, you get a smartphone, you 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.920 get internet access, you get all of that stuff you're 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.520 not supposed to, but you know they have it anyway. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.120 So Luis pretends to be this woman Claudia and strikes 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.480 up a romantic relationship with Castro's son via text messages 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.400 and Google Chat and like he's cat Fish, Yeah, he's 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:46.600 he Catfish's Castro son um and fishing the king fish, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.200 the big fish. There's messages like guess where I am 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.240 and I will make love to you without stopping his 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.800 one message Antonio sent this fake woman while he was 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.039 on a diplomatic visit to Russia. I mean that's just 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.000 kind of basic love making, is that you don't stop 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.159 in the middle of you, and I won't just randomly stuff. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.280 I have a desire to kiss you. I want to 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.760 kiss you, love you, and make love to you. So 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.680 that's sweet. Um. But Louis was also able to get 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.360 Antonio to share his phone number, his address, and Havana 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.040 and reveal that he had no bodyguards and give him 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.720 updates on secret trips he was taking to other countries 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.720 in Central and South America. That's sort of thing that 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.000 a secret admirer would ask you. Yeah, exactly. And my 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.680 favorite thing about this is that, like, by doing this, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.200 Louise is not just throwing shade on the on Fidel Castro. Um, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.920 but he's also like kind of sticking it to the 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.559 c I A who spent like trying to kill Castro 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.720 like five times, always trying to figure out stuff and couldn't. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.440 And then this guy, I'll just pretend to be a girl, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.720 pretend I want to fund his son. Turns out that 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.680 was the key all along. Um So that's a fun story. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.920 Um So, Yeah, Antonio is clearly kind of dumb, but 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.720 he's he doesn't seem to be a bad person. Um So, again, 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.240 Castro's kids atty much the best case scenario here. The 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.720 worst case scenario for that, we're gonna have to roll 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.400 over to our old buddy, Saddam Hussein. Of all the 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.040 dictator fathers I've read about, I'm pretty sure he was 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.000 the worst. Um Ude. Hussein was born in nineteen sixty 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:20.160 four and Kusay in nineteen sixty six. Uh, Kusay, not 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.080 a whole lot to say about. I mean, he wasn't 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.400 a great guy, but it's Day. Who who's the real 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.920 kingship of Garbage Mountain? Um so Uda was originally meant 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.040 to be the heir to Saddam's power. Uh. He was tall, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.679 handsome and athletic. But he was also so crazy that 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:41.319 Saddam couldn't stand him and eventually disinherited him. So in 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.440 the nineties, u Day was made the head of the 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.920 national soccer team football team, whatever term you want to use, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.000 the head of the team. Yeah. Yeah, he was like 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.880 the head coach. That's like a dictator kid. Trope will 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:56.000 run into a couple of other kids who like, Okay, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.880 you get to run the soccer team because your dad's 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.200 I mean, yeah, that's awesome the boss. Uh. And so 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 as coach of this team, he was known to show 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.240 up at halftime and promised to cut off players legs 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.760 and feed them to hungry dogs if they didn't improve. Um, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:16.360 which is that's good motivation? Yeah, yeah, it's a solid strategy. Um. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.800 I'm gonna quote here from a wonderful Guardian article titled 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.280 day Career of Rape, Torture and Murder. Uh. Quote. As 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.000 football oversealer, Seer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard with 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.560 written instructions on how many times each player should be 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.200 beaten on the soles of his feet after a particularly 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.240 poor showing. Well, you gotta stay organized. I mean, that's 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.760 the that's the first thing. I can't forget any any 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.920 beating worthy mistakes. No, no, that's like the first. I'm 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.160 pretty sure what Joe Namath said that he was always 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.640 hitting people in the foot. Yeah. Um so, in addition 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.000 to being probably not a very good coach, Day was 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.840 famous for raping basically anyone and everyone who caught his eye. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.760 There were some occasions where he'd show up at weddings 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.760 and just take the bride. Yeah, that would happen, like 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.880 is a lot of those stories. So he's he's garbage. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.440 He became obsessed with torture. It said that he had 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.679 a private torture chamber on the Tigris. I found a 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.800 quote during my research from a friend of the Hussain 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.000 family who said the day Day discovered the Internet was 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:21.920 a black day for Iraqis which, yeah, what did he 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.560 do with the Internet. Well, he found out about things 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:30.760 like Iron Maidens, not the band, the sarcophagus filled with spikes. Um, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.599 we found one of those in one of his palaces. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.760 The Americans did when when Iraq was you know, conquered 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.240 or whatever. Uh, And when they found it, it was 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.640 dull like like it wasn't he didn't just buy it 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.040 to put it in the corner because he was like, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.840 I mean I think it started sharp. Yeah, you gotta 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.640 you gotta keep that thing sharp, man. I think he 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.840 was doing a lot of maiden ing with the iron maiden, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:57.400 although maybe more painful if it's not sharp. Yeah. I 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.480 mean I assumed Huda knew what he was doing when 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.599 it came to using an iron maiden on people. He 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.880 was probably the world's leading expert on that actually, So 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.480 you know, I've only used one like once or twice. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:15.280 I shouldn't. Yeah. Um. There is one mark in Uday's favor, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.200 which is that he was the leader of the Saddam Fedain, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.480 which was a violent paramilitary force dedicated to his dad. Uh. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.440 And the mark in his favor is that he equipped 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.559 his private army with Darth Vader helmets. Yes, I've got 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.120 a picture of them, and that's that's cool. That's that's 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.400 that's pretty fly. Now did he know they were Darth 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.360 Vader helmets? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, no, he he knew 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.360 what he was doing. It was a conscious decision to 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.800 echo Darth Vader and the helmets of his private army, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.600 which is, if you're gonna have a private army, not 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.320 a bad call. So he was just like, I'm a 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.680 bad guy, like from age one, was just like I'm 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.760 I'm gonna be evil. He didn't have acid. He's yeah, no, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.200 he's not like one of those awful people who tries 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.679 to pretend to be good. He's like fully committed. You know, 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.559 it would be cool an army of Darth Vaders if 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.080 they were mine. Um. So Saddam does not seem to 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:12.079 have reigned in his oldest son for decades or disciplined 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.600 him much at all, But over time Uday's behavior grew 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.080 too abhorrant for even histories. Worst dad to let that 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.520 horse run? You know. Well, uh so Ude was a drunk, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.959 had a little bit of a drinking problem. In a 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.480 nine eight, he got drunk at a party and bludgeoned 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.439 his father's bodyguard to death in front of a bunch 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.800 of random partiers, which is kind of a party foul. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.760 That's where I personally, Yeah, beating your dad's bodyguard to death, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.160 that's an important line. Yeah, Um, this was not unheard 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.680 of behavior, for he was famous for getting ship faced 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.719 and doing things like firing his machine gun above the 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.679 heads of musicians and dancers at parties. Sometimes he did 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.880 not shoot above their heads. Um. He would just get 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.959 drunk and shoot people at parties. That was his thing. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.559 He was like Joe Peshy's character and Good Fellas if 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.200 he was never kidding every single time time. He was 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.360 just going to murder them. Yeah, yeah, he's he's There's 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.839 no kidding with Ude Hussein, um said sense of humor 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:12.120 notoriously bad sense of well And all of this came 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.079 to a head during a drunken brawl with his uncle 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.960 What bon see what bon? And the why? Which? Who 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.520 was a? Saddam's brother in law got into an argument 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.000 over quote, the most sought after prostitute at a party. Uh. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.120 They went to Ude to ask him to basically King 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.240 Solomon the whole matter and like determine who gets the prostitute. Yeah, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:32.920 this was not a good idea. Ude had shown up 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.880 at the party after three am, drunk as fun with 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.640 a crazy pump action rifle that looked like it came 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.319 from the movie Rambo. Is the only description I've I've 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:42.880 I can't. I have no idea what kind of gun 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.880 it was. Uh, it sounds ridiculous, So he was he 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.920 was already hammered, probably blacked out, and when they asked 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.800 him this, for some reason, he became convinced that what 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 Bond had been making fun of his speech impediment. So 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.240 Ude just starts shooting. Uh. He fires randomly into the crowd, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.800 first killing three people and wounding god knows how many. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.640 Then he turned the gun on his uncle and shot 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.200 him in both legs, and then also accidentally gunned down 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.319 six female dancers. So like nine people have died total 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.520 in this ramsay, and Saddam's brother has had his kneecaps 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.840 blown off. So this piste off Saddam Hussein Uh, and 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.400 he decided he was actually going to discipline his son. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:24.600 So the story, yeah, so it's a real hardass. You know, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.720 you gotta draw the line somewhere. So the story of 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.040 how I'm quoting from Will Barton Wharper's The Prisoner in 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:36.360 his Palace quote. As punishment, he torched U Day's prize 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.560 collection of rolls, Royce's, Bentley's, BMW's, Porsches and Ferraris, which 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.520 had been stored under guard in a garage and the 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.560 Republican Palace. Laughing wildly, the former dictator recalled how he 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.280 gleefully watched the inferno, smoking one of his famous coheba's 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.920 as the flames engulfed his son's treasured possessions. Saddam's almost 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.440 manacle laughter was contagious. Rogerson, who's the guy, the American 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.760 he's telling this story too, was unable to resist joining in, 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.920 succumbing to belly laughs of his own. The mental image 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.600 of the Dictator dousing hundreds of his sons luxury cars 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.400 with gasoline and setting them ablaze reminded him of a 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.520 Jerry Springer episode on steroids. Oh so, just everybody in 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.080 this story, including the guy he's telling the story too, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.440 is just fucking crazy, just completely out of their mind. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.520 I mean, that's pretty funny. You murder nine people at 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.360 a party, I'm gonna light a hundred cars on fire. Yeah, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.040 that'll show him. And Woday was on the straight and 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.920 narrow from that point forward right the end. No, he 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.080 he actually got shot in an assassination attempt and paralyzed 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.160 from like the waist down. So he did calm down 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.960 after that, But I don't think it was because of 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.000 the cars. So uh. One of the weird things here 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.960 is that like, well Soddam doesn't seem to have done 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.320 much at all to his son's one way or the other. Uh, 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.160 he was actually kind of a sweet dad to his daughter's, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.760 especially his eldest daughter, Rock had Uh. She told a 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.320 story to an interviewer who at like saw this cheap 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.640 piece of jewelry on her when she was like an 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.800 egg island. Jordan was like, that doesn't look like the 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.880 kind of thing you'd have, and she told him a 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.760 sweet story about when you know, before Saddan was dictator, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.440 they've been walking in a market and she'd fallen down 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:15.000 and scraped her knee and broken down into power crazed general. Like, 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.880 well he was power vice president, scrappy young power crazed 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.840 vice president. Yeah, yeah exactly. So he like he bought 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.040 her some fancy like costume jewelry when she scraped her knee, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.440 and she kept it her whole life. So Tom was 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.400 like a sweet And this is like another dictator trope 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.120 is their sons always are often turned out to be 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.520 like mass raping murderers and their daughters are like he 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.640 was a sweet dad. He bought me jewelry. This is 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.640 why it's so good that our main enemy in North 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.960 Korea has just a line of succession with just nothing 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.480 but dictators and sons of dictators all the way down. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.000 And and most of them seem to be cut from 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.440 the old day cloth. Yeah. Um. So again that's a trend. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.080 Dictator is being really close to their first daughter, and 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.800 that kind of brings us to Stalin because Stalin adored 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.560 his young daughter's feed Lana. Uh. And we're going to 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:12.359 get into Joseph Stalin as a doting father after this break, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.680 But first we're going to break for something Stalin would 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:21.199 have hated, ads capitalism, songs of of products. By not 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.440 skipping these ads, you're fighting Stalin in a sense. Yes, Uh, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.240 stick it to Stalin be a good American and several 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:32.280 of the dictators on this list by listening to these ads. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:43.320 And we're back. Uh. Last we talked about Fidel Castro 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.040 and Saddam Hussein and their parenting tactics, and right now 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.480 we are talking about fed Lana Stalin, the daughter to 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.240 Joseph Stalin. She was born in after Stalin was already 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.879 in power, and he was kind of a doting father 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.600 at first, Uh, Lana thinks it's because he reminded her 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.440 of his mother. There um set Lana's mother and Ndesda 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.879 was a committed Bolshevik. She was not big on child rearing. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.680 She never hugged her daughter, she never said a kind 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.840 word to her daughter, and she constantly gave Stalin ship 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.159 for coddling their daughter. So in this relationship, Stalin was 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.320 the cool parent, which the laid back He's the chill 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:25.200 dad right, um wow, Stalin's wife did not funk around her. No, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.560 she did not. Uh yeah, she wound up killing herself 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.440 because she wasn't angry at how he wasn't Communist enough 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.840 for her. Basically real it seems like why we don't 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.880 even I mean, we're not gonna tell you when argument ladies. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.600 But anyway, so Stalin and his daughter had a cute 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.520 little relationship. He would have her issue orders to him 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.639 in writing and then he would respond I obey. He 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.480 would sign notes as like the poor peasant Joseph Stalin 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.520 the secretary to you know my daughter. Um so that 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.240 was cute, adorable. Yeah, they had a cute little thing 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.280 it And last you know, Stalin was always busy and 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.399 a lot of what he was busy doing was disappearing people. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.280 So regularly her classmates would just not show up at 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.760 school because their parents had been exiled or executed, and 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.360 he had her classmates killed for like not being nice 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.080 to his daughter. I suspect some of that might have 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.879 happened to Um. There's just a lot of her schoolmates 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.760 weren't there one day, and that kept on happening. From 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.040 time to time. Other classmates would give her notes to 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:31.840 pass on to her father, begging him to free their parents. UM. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.200 Stalin hated this and told his daughter to not act 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.879 as a post office box. So that's a fun thing 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.680 to put on your daughter's shoulder. Um. Her relatives started 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.240 to disappear to after Stalin's wife committed suicide. Stalin got 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.200 rid of basically the mom's whole side of the family, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.399 so all of fet Laana's aunts and uncles. Uh. She 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.919 didn't understand why this was happening and thought that it 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.639 was just like a terrible mistake until she went to 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.720 Stalin about it and he said, no, they knew too much. 0:19:57.760 --> 0:19:59.920 They babbled, and it played into the hands of our enemy. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.480 He knows how to talk to his daughter. He's a 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.320 good father. He's a good dad. He's a good dad. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.920 That's how you explained disappearing. Yeah, someone's relatives. Um so. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.160 In three, at the height of World War two, set 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.240 Lana fell in love with a young boy named Kapler. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.359 They had a brief romance and then Stalin found out 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.200 He became convinced Kapler was a British spy. He also 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.200 wasn't wild about the fact that Kapler was Jewish. Uh. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.640 Spet Laana said, you know, but I love him Dad. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:28.040 I'm gonna quote from spet Lana's autobiography here, love, screamed 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:29.960 my father with a hatred of the very word I 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.680 can scarcely convey. And for the first time in his life, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.480 he slapped me across the face twice. Take a look 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.080 at yourself. Who'd want you? You fool? He's got women 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:44.320 all around him. So that's what that Stalin he there's 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.959 an immediate drop off if she gets to be a 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.199 teenager and how sweet Stolid is. Yeah, and just the 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.720 second she shows any interest in another man, Yeah, that's she. 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.760 So she's also a first daughter. Yeah, yeah, so that's 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.560 just interesting. We were just talking on the other podcast 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.920 that I host, The Daily Zieist, Today about our president 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.639 and his strange relationship to his first daughter, Ivanka, just 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.080 how it doesn't seem like totally normal, like they seem 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:18.160 to have a very special bond. But yeah, yeah, so 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.439 he has sort of the same sort of relationship to 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.960 his daughter Stylin does that, um like Scarface has to 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:29.800 his sister. It's like, yeah, man, he's really protective of her. Yeah, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.119 it's sweet up until another human being enters the picture, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.800 and then it's like, oh no, this is bad. That's 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:43.120 interesting that dictators can like not because they they're clearly 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.520