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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. I am Robert Evans, and this is Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards to show where we tell you everything you

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Speaker 1: don't know about the very worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 1: Today with me is my former boss at Cracked and

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Speaker 1: current boss at Stuff Media, Jack O'Brien at me, Jack O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and today Jack Attack. We are talking about the children

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Speaker 1: of dictators, which I know you you just had another kid,

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Speaker 1: did um, and you're you're kind of like the podcast

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Speaker 1: equivalent of a dictator. Yeah, so there might be some

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Speaker 1: tips here. I didn't realize that's how we were coming

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Speaker 1: at this, But okay, I feel like you can empathize

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Speaker 1: with the fathers the father figures. Well, at least you

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Speaker 1: can give me some you know, I'm not. I don't

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Speaker 1: have kids, so I may not know if something is

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Speaker 1: actually a good parenting tactic. Well, my children are two

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Speaker 1: and two weeks old, so I have yet to be

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Speaker 1: able to funk them up totally given one of them

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Speaker 1: control of either a soccer team or a military unit.

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Speaker 1: Not yet. Okay, Okay, third birthday gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of that in this podcast. All right, I've spent most

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Speaker 1: of the last week reading about the various children of Dictators.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of sources for this podcast, which I'll

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Speaker 1: go through as we read them, but I do want

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Speaker 1: to upfront plug a book called Children of Monsters by j. Nordlinger. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a great book. I'll be referencing it regularly here.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of players in this podcast, so

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Speaker 1: I kind of figured my best bet would be to

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Speaker 1: start with the dictator who I think was probably the

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Speaker 1: best parent out of all of them, Fidel Castro. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Fidel was a good parent. He was

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Speaker 1: none of his kids grew up to be mass raping,

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Speaker 1: this list. So Castro's oldest son was Fidelito. Uh. Castro

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Speaker 1: divorced Fidelito's mom, Murda early and philed to Mexico to

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Speaker 1: wage his revolution from Afar. Fidelito's mom's family was well

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Speaker 1: you know, bougie as. When Fidelito was six, Castro asked

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Speaker 1: week visit. Murder said yes and sent him over, and

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Speaker 1: Castro kidnapped him. But not only did he kidnap him,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even kidnap him to raise him himself. He

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Speaker 1: Actual mom is dictatorship, like you should be over here.

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Speaker 1: These are better parents for you than your mom and

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Speaker 1: certainly better than me. Um. So Murder had to get

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Speaker 1: three months later. But in nineteen fifty nine, when Fidelito

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Speaker 1: was nine, Castro took power. His mother sent him over

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Speaker 1: from New York to visit his dad again because she

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Speaker 1: already kidnapped him once, which is maybe a questionable call

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Fidelito went over to Cuba to see his dad,

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Speaker 1: who was, you know, the new dictator of Cuba. They

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Speaker 1: him as a prop um. Fun dictator stuff, yeah, fun

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Speaker 1: called Guerilla Prints, which is both a solid name for

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Speaker 1: Cuban Academy of Sciences. And that's not really much else

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Speaker 1: basically the best case scenario for a kid on this list, Fidel.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how many kids Fidel had. We aren't

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Speaker 1: So the Internet is not allowed in Cuba, but if

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Speaker 1: So Luis pretends to be this woman Claudia and strikes

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Speaker 1: he Catfish's Castro son um and fishing the king fish,

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Speaker 1: over to our old buddy, Saddam Hussein. Of all the

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Speaker 1: a great guy, but it's Day. Who who's the real

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Speaker 1: kingship of Garbage Mountain? Um so Uda was originally meant

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Speaker 1: day Career of Rape, Torture and Murder. Uh. Quote. As

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Speaker 1: football oversealer, Seer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard with

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Speaker 1: the that's the first thing. I can't forget any any

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Speaker 1: pretty sure what Joe Namath said that he was always

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Speaker 1: hitting people in the foot. Yeah. Um so, in addition

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Speaker 1: famous for raping basically anyone and everyone who caught his eye.

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Speaker 1: family who said the day Day discovered the Internet was

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Speaker 1: a black day for Iraqis which, yeah, what did he

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Speaker 1: do with the Internet. Well, he found out about things

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Speaker 1: like Iron Maidens, not the band, the sarcophagus filled with spikes. Um,

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Speaker 1: we found one of those in one of his palaces.

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Speaker 1: The Americans did when when Iraq was you know, conquered

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Speaker 1: although maybe more painful if it's not sharp. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean I assumed Huda knew what he was doing when

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't. Yeah. Um. There is one mark in Uday's favor,

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Speaker 1: which is that he was the leader of the Saddam Fedain,

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Speaker 1: the rest of her life. Like whatever happened to the

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00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: guy Kaplar that she fell in love with? He went

424
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: off to a gulag? Oh got it? Got yep yep,

425
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: like specifically as ordered by Stalin or just because he

426
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: was one of millions and millions of people who got

427
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: swept up. I mean, he was one of millions and

428
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: millions of people who got swept up. But Stalin, you know, like,

429
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it was unrelated to the fact that

430
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: he was making eyes at Stalin's daughter and gulags were

431
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: nice places, right, yeah, pretty chill. Let's not examine that

432
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: any further, they seem nice because it's a nice name.

433
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: It sounds like a good soup. Yeah yeah, oh yeah,

434
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: I love the gulag It's eggplant, right yeah yeah. Uh.

435
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: My favorite fact about gulags is the Russian word for Russia.

436
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: Russian still has a word for this. It's called it

437
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: basically means man cow, and it's a word that was

438
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: created in the Gulags for when you fatten somebody up

439
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: who you're in the gulags with in order to uh

440
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: and then you plan an escape with them so that

441
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: you can eat them as you're crossing the tundra. That's yeah,

442
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: Russian hats has a single word for that. Is that

443
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: why you would cater all those fat about it? Okay? Um,

444
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: all right, back to uh Castro's oh yeah so um.

445
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: This kind of this kind of brings to mind Castro's

446
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: daughter Elena, who had a very similar story to fet Laana. Um. So,

447
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: she never really lived with her dad. Her mom was

448
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: kind of one of Castro's side flings, but she grew

449
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: up knowing knowing she was Castro's daughter. Everyone else knew

450
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: she was Castro's daughter, and likes fet Lana, people would

451
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: beg her to have her dad free their families from

452
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, horrible you know, slave camps and stuff. Um,

453
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: Castro wasn't as much of a dick about it as Stalin.

454
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he did anything when she asked him,

455
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: but he wasn't, like makes it kind of hard to

456
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: be like, guys, I'm not just defined by my father

457
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: when they're like, but he's killing my family, my father, right. Um.

458
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: So they didn't have a super close relationship, but Fidel

459
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: did show up at her first wedding and as he left,

460
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: he told her don't let me know when you get

461
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: your divorce, and her response was, don't worry. I don't

462
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: have your phone number. Um likes fet Lana. She fled

463
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: her home country. She wound up in the United States.

464
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: She wrote a book about her shitty dad, and she

465
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: started a radio show in Miami called Simply Elena where

466
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: she would talk about Castro every day. Not Castro was

467
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: my dad, it was just simply Elena. Now I think

468
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: Castro was my dad was similar to her books title.

469
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that's interesting. You've got

470
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: like two older daughters of of dictators who followed basically

471
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: the same path um rejecting their father, who clearly was

472
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: into them for a weird reason. They're still hope for

473
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: you Avanca. Yeah, you can write it, but you could

474
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: have a simply Avanca. You could just interesting. I'm really

475
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: interested to see, like what as everybody who was associated

476
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: with Well, well we don't need to talk about politics.

477
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: Let's keep going with these crazy motherfucker's. Yeah, let's talk

478
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: about Stalin's sons. Um. So, first props to stop. Uh.

479
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: He spoiled his kids a lot less than most dictators.

480
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: This is particularly true of his son's Vassili and Yakov. Uh. So,

481
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: Stalin seems to have been kind of a true believer

482
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: in some ways. Uh to the stuff he was, he was,

483
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: he was, you know, thrown out there. Uh. He didn't

484
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: want his kids to get special treatment just because their

485
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: dad was Stalin. Um. When Vasili was seventeen, he joined

486
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: a flight school. His grades were terrible. Um, his dad's

487
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: employees helped him get into the school. Uh, without you know,

488
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: Stalin's knowledge, because they thought it might curry favor. Yeah.

489
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: They were probably disappeared for that because Stalin did not

490
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: like that. He described his son as spoiled an average

491
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: when you're helping somebody get into flight school and they're

492
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: not good enough to get into flight school. Are you

493
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: really doing them a favor or are you just sending

494
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: them off to a fiery death? Yeah? Um, or maybe

495
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: other people. So vasili Uh tried to use his famous

496
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: name to get privileges at flight school. Stalin found out

497
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: and ordered that his kid not get any special treatment. Um.

498
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: I think he still did get some special treatment, but

499
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: I think Stalin was pissed about it. Vassili was a

500
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: rampage and drunk In spite of that, he did manage

501
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: to graduate flight school. He had a habit of drunkenly

502
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: commandeering planes and then flying them while continuing to drink.

503
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: You would expect that story to end worse than it did,

504
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: but apparently he never like accidentally nine eleven anything. And

505
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: I like that nine eleven's past tenses nine to eleven

506
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: first of all, but also, yeah, so he was like

507
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Denza Washington's character in flight. I need a couple of

508
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: pops to like get him in the World's Greatest Pilot

509
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: and then he's like flying planes upside down? Is he

510
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: a commercial pilot or what? Military? Military? So he is

511
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: the commander. He is a colonel in charge of an

512
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Air Force regiment during World War Two for a little while.

513
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Stalin actually fired him very quickly and said this, Colonel

514
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: Stalin is being removed from his post as regimental commander

515
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: for drunkenness and debauchery and because he is ruining and

516
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: perverting the regiment. So so, I mean when he's drunkenly

517
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: commandeering these plane means that's only a thing that is

518
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: possible if you're a Stalin's kid, because everyone else they

519
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: just fucking shoot you between the eyes. Yeah, Stalin did

520
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: predict his kids from being shot in the eyes. Yeah,

521
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: if there's one thing you could say about that guy, Yes,

522
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: millions of flaves lost. But actually Vassilly got to drunkenly

523
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: commandeer that plan. I should say he stopped two thirds

524
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: of his kids from being shot in. So Vassili lived

525
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: to the ripled age of forty one when he died

526
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: of rampant alcoholism. He lasted longer than his brother Yakov um.

527
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, Yakov was actually pretty

528
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: solid dude. I haven't read about any specific crimes he committed.

529
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: He did try to kill himself after a failed romance.

530
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: When he failed, Stalin's only comment was he can't even

531
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: shoot straight? Is the name Yakov in Russian spelled jack Off?

532
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean I wrote it as white like it's written

533
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: in cyrillic. Well, it's neither because you can you spell

534
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: it either way because they use different letters. Proceed. Yeah, um.

535
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Yakov wound up on the Eastern Front during the Nazi invasion.

536
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: He was captured by the Nazis. They offered to ransom

537
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: him back to Stalin in exchange for the captured German

538
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: field Marshal Paulis, but Stalin said it's not worth it

539
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: to trade a general for a lieutenant h. Stalin also

540
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: had Yakov's family locked up after he was captured because

541
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: he issued a decrease saying that the families of captured

542
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: soldiers had to be punished. Uh, and he did not

543
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: exempt his son's own family from that. So his son's

544
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: own family was imprisoned. But that's like his wife or

545
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: like something, just his wife and kids some side piece. No,

546
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: it's his wife. I think he's got a wife and kids.

547
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: So Yakov's family was also his family. Yeah, yeah, Saddam

548
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Saddam's grandkids and daughter in law he throws in prison

549
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: because their dad gets captured by the Nazis. Okay, yakoffs Yeah,

550
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: wife and kids. Yeah. And Yakov gets killed at the

551
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: Saxon Housen concentration camp when he refuses an order from

552
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: a guard to go, you know, do something. He just

553
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: like wasn't only to take it anymore. The fact that

554
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: he died this way is actually the only thing he

555
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: ever did that Stalin approved of. Uh. So that's Stalin

556
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: the dad in a nutshell? Um? So was he shot

557
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: by a German officer? He's shot by a German while

558
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: an s S guard. Basically, the guys like it's time

559
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: to go inside, and Yakov's like, no funk and I'm

560
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: just ready to die. When to keep playing? Yeah and yeah.

561
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: So that's how you get Stalin's approval. Um, if you

562
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: were his son, get shot by a Nazi. Way to

563
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: go yet? Yeah, And I feel like now is the

564
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: right time to move on to another communist dictator, Nikolai Cichesco.

565
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: He was the dictator of Romania from nineteen sixty five

566
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty nine. As an authoritarian ruler, he ordered

567
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: troops to fire and protesters, operated a vast and repressive

568
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: secret police, and generally ran his country into the ground.

569
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: He's the whole standard bingo for a European dictator sixties seventies, eighties. Uh,

570
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: and he's kind of middle of the pack as far

571
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: as dictator dad's go. So his wife was named Alina

572
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: and they had two sons and one daughter. His first son, Valentine,

573
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: was initially meant to be the air Apparent, but Valentine

574
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to follow in his dad's footsteps. He declined

575
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the privilege of being the air and instead became a

576
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: nuclear physicist, which he still does today. Such a disappointment.

577
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, what a bummer kid, just becomes a nuclear physicist,

578
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: not a power hungry dictator. Um. Valentine only abused his

579
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: position a little bit. He acquired a giant art collection,

580
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: and he had a side job helping to run the

581
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: nation's best soccer team. Um, but he was apparently pretty nice.

582
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Nobody had any complaints with him on the soccer team. Uh. Yeah,

583
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, the silly Stalin also had a soccer team

584
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: or or a hockey team or whatever. Um. All these

585
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: dictator kids get a sports team if they want him. Apparently,

586
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun because it's what our richest

587
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: people do. Right the second they become billionaires. They buy

588
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: a sports teams. Yeah, Zoya che Skoo was the middle daughter.

589
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Apparently Nikolai and Elina did something right because she also

590
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: got a PhD. Hers was in mathematics. Yeah this check

591
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: out the big brand on the chichev schoose. Well, this

592
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: is actually a problem because nick Kali's wife, Elena, the

593
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: dictator ASTs you could say, was kind of a giant

594
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: piece of ship too. And her hobby was pretending to

595
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: be a chemist. Uh. She loved to get honors from

596
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: foreign universities for her pioneering work in chemistry. She had

597
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: done no work in chemistry, but that was just a thing.

598
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: It got her off to pretend she was a chemist,

599
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: and she hated that her daughter was an actual scientist

600
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: with actual accomplishing. So when her daughter gets a PhD

601
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: in mathematics, Elena kicks Zoya out of the presidential palace

602
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: and makes her live in an apartment. Um. As revenge,

603
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: Zoya starts a new mathematics department at the institute she

604
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: worked at and winds up in charge of it. She

605
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: also starts smoking because her mom hates cigarettes. Um So

606
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: this is like like a mix of normal teenage rebellion

607
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: and the kind of thing you can only do it

608
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: as a dictator's kid, like I'm gonna smoke cigarettes and

609
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: start a new mathematics institute. Yeah, very smart, dictator's kid. Yeah, Yeah,

610
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: she's brilliant. She starts drinking heavily and having lots of

611
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: sex with random people, like you do. A didn't care

612
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: about the sex so much, but she did order the

613
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: secret police to watch her daughter and report on the

614
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: boys she dated, which I assumed did not always end

615
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: well for the boys. Zoya became a bit of a dissident.

616
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: She made some friends with normal Romanians who were suffering

617
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: under her parents rule, and so she stopped using her

618
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: family name and spoke out about terrible living conditions. But

619
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: that really seems to have been more of a way

620
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: to get back at her mom than out of a

621
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: real commitment to justice. When her parents were forced from power,

622
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: Elena was arrested to The troops that searched her house

623
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: found it filled with jewels and art and cash. As

624
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: they took her away, she asked the police if they

625
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: had any room in the truck for her poodles, since

626
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: many Romanians were starving at this point. This did not

627
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: play well, um, but you know, Zoia and Valentine were

628
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: both functional people who like, got legitimate jobs and you know,

629
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: high level degrees their success stories. The same cannot be

630
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: said of Nikolai and Elina's youngest child, Nikko. Uh, since

631
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Valentine had chosen the life of the mind and Nicko

632
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: was seen as the Czechski's best bet for establishing a

633
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: communist dynasty. I'm gonna quote Odren of Monsters again here.

634
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Speaker 1: From his mid teens, Nikku was an out of control

635
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: drunk and a rapist. He raped it will, and his

636
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: will was ferocious and unopposable. He had complete license. He

637
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: was the kind who could run red lights and kill

638
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: people in the process with total impunity. So that's yeah.

639
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: When the United Nations named International Youth here, Nikko was

640
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: picked to be the spokesperson of that whole thing. The

641
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: United Nations picked him. Yeah, he's the spokesperson of the

642
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: International Youth. Yeah yeah, I mean, you got a metal

643
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: what's more youthful than running red lights and indiscriminate rape.

644
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: He's a fun guy. Um. You know, back in Romania

645
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: now with a metal nik who drank, raped and regularly

646
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: got in a car accidents. His best friend was Ude Hussein.

647
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: The pair would regularly meet up in Monica, said like,

648
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: weird sound in their name, and yeah, they just seemed

649
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: like a perfect match. I bet they had fun in Monico.

650
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: In Switzerland, it seemed like it seemed like a good

651
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: crew to party with. Yeah, you must be weird to

652
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: get drunk with. Day when he can't machine gun people,

653
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: just I wonder, Yeah, what does he do then? Yeah,

654
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: just like goes around and pushes people under traffic or something,

655
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: shows people off of balconies. Um. At one point, Nikko

656
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: got married. His mom had to force this on him

657
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: because you know, he was happier raping people indiscriminately. But

658
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: at his mom's urging, he eventually married a girl named Pollyanna.

659
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: After the wedding, he told her, now, go live with

660
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: my mother. She should fuck you because she chose you.

661
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: So that's some solid that was actually in my wedding

662
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: valves as well. That's a beautiful, beautiful sentiment. Yeah. The

663
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: couple divorced not long after that. Yeah, it's a heartbreak

664
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: whenever that happens. So during the revolution that kicked their

665
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: parents out of power, Nikko ordered troops to massacre civilians.

666
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: In one Transylvanian town. His brother and sister didn't do

667
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: much at all. They received eight months sentences. Nikko was

668
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: given twenty years in prison. He was released after only

669
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: three because his heavy drinking had killed his liver. He

670
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: died at age forty five, which means he lived, you know,

671
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: a good four years longer than Vassili Stalin. Um. I

672
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: could probably fill two or three full podcasts with anecdotes

673
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: of other dictator kids. I assume we'll all follow up

674
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: at some point. You know, there's there's the story of

675
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: Kadafi's son Matassen, who hired Beyonce and Usher to play

676
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: at private parties. He would throw and spent two million

677
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: dollars a month of the government's money on his own.

678
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: It's fun, but us also sounds like some sort of

679
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: over the counter cough medicine. Yeah. Um, we're gonna actually

680
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: move on to another dictator's kid in a little bit,

681
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Nikolai Lukashenko, the small child with a Golden gun. But

682
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: first we've got some advertisements to come back to. Which

683
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: advertisements that would really piss off Nikolai Chichesko because he was,

684
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, Communist. So let's keep angering these dead dictators Hey,

685
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: we are back, and I'm going to talk about Benito Mussolini, Uh,

686
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: the lean man, and he he actually seems to have

687
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: been a decent parent, and that his kids all grew

688
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: up idolizing him even after his death. But he was

689
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: a shitty parent, and that his kids all became horrible

690
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: fascists and his family are still fascists today. Um. He

691
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: sent his son, Vittorio to Hollywood in nineteen thirty seven,

692
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: and Vittorio formed a company with how Roach, creator of

693
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: the Little Rascals. Uh. Their collaboration was short lived, adorable.

694
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: You can find a video online of Mussolini's son meeting

695
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: all of the Little Rascals for Yeah, he does he

696
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: have like a stiff sort of fascist demeanor about you

697
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: know what. I think he would have been any of them. No,

698
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: but he would have been a great member of the cast.

699
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: He's got um, he's got Rascal's charisma. Uh. Yeah, I

700
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: I really I don't see why they didn't bring him

701
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: back for the reboot in the nineties of the Little Rascals.

702
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: That would have been what that was missing. But yeah,

703
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: if you want to look that up online, you can

704
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: see Mussolini's son and the Little rascals being adorable together. Um.

705
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Mussolini's daughter Edda loved Hitler in the Nazis. In nineteen

706
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: thirty three, she joined Hitler and Gebels and Gebbels family

707
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: at Lake Vance, which is where the Holocaust was planned. Uh.

708
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: Not during that meeting, but in that same location a

709
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: couple of years later, Uh planned the Holocaustter Holocaust jokes

710
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: aren't that funny, but the idea of Hitler planning it

711
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: with a ten year old is really weird. I think

712
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: she was late teens like point. Yeah. You know. She

713
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: called Hitler her uncle though, and was quote always struck

714
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: by his extraordinary kindness and affection towards me as well

715
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: as his patients. Unky Hitler, Unky Hitler. Um. Yeah. In

716
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: nineteen forty, she said she was ashamed and disgusted that

717
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: Italy hadn't yet entered World War Two on the side

718
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: of the Nazis. Uh. She said that she didn't force

719
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: her dad into World War Two, but she also said, quote,

720
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: given my germaniphile sympathies, I was, without being aware of it,

721
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: the link between the fewer and my father. I found

722
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: it normal that two dictators should be all and this

723
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: is all the more so since as soon as he

724
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: took power in nineteen thirty three, I had begun to

725
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: consider Hitler a veritable hero in the thirties. I'm just

726
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: trying to get a sense of when when Mussolini and

727
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: Hitler were like first on the scene, is there a

728
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: modern day corollary for like how the world viewed them.

729
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Would Putin be like the closest thing we have, or

730
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: putin Putin might be the closest thing we have Towards

731
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: how Mussolini was viewed at the time, A lot of

732
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: people thought he was a monster, but he was very popular.

733
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that's hard when you're thinking

734
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: about the thirties is that fascism was a legitimate political

735
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: ideology at that point. People thought yeah, people thought like,

736
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: oh no, this might be a reasonable way to run

737
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: a country. So Mussolini was like he was the senior

738
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: partner between him and Hitler for a while, Like in

739
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the thirties, he was like the big man, and Hitler

740
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: was trying to impress him. And obviously Mussolini went to

741
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: ship and this whole country went to ship. Um Hitler thrived. No,

742
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: as far as I know now, I haven't read past

743
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: thirty six. But I think it pretty good that guy's

744
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: got something on the ball. I feel like we got

745
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: a lot now. Probably shouldn't make those jokes about Hitler,

746
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: but um, yeah. Edda had a husband named Siana who

747
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: wound up turning against Mussolini and being part of a

748
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: plot to sort of overthrow him and pull Italy out

749
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: of the war. Uh. Mussolini had him executed. He was

750
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: forced to sit in a chair with other co conspirators,

751
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: tied to the chair and then shot in the head. Uh.

752
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: His Mussolini's grandchild, Fabreezio Ciano, wrote a book in the

753
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties titled When Grandpa had Dad's shot. Wow. Um,

754
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: it's taking all I have to not say any of

755
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: these names and like a like insulting Just there we go.

756
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: Go you feel better, get a little bit of that

757
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: pressure out. Yeah. Um. Mussolini's family is still very active

758
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: in the Italian far right, which you'd think after their

759
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: dad and his mistress being like murdered in public and

760
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: the country getting bombed, like it would have been like, oh,

761
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe that was a mistake. But his granddaughter, Alessandra is

762
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: a member of the Italian Senate since I think two

763
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: thousand eleven uh and also a member of the European Parliament.

764
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: In two thousands six, when Libya asked for reparations for

765
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Italy's colonization and brutal war against it, Alessandra said, quote,

766
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for my grandfather, they would still

767
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: be writing camels and wearing turbans on their heads. They

768
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: should be paying us compensation. So being complete ship does

769
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: not always skip a generation. Uh. The Mussolini family just

770
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: kind of seems to be garbage. Um. Or maybe it

771
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: did skip a generation and he had that generation shot

772
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: in the head. This is the shitty generation again. Yeah. Um,

773
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: so maybe the next generation will shoot the prior generation.

774
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the jury is pretty much in on fascism,

775
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: isn't it. You would think so, but then everything that's

776
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: happened in the last two years. Yeah yeah. Um. So

777
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about Cadafi. Momar freaking daffy. So you're a quman. Yeah,

778
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm a human. I'm a human. Uh um. He has

779
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: a weird record as a parent. Um. Like most dictators,

780
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: he gave one of his sons a sport team. Sadi

781
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Kadafi was the head of Libya's national football federation, but

782
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: he was also the captain of his home team and

783
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: the national team, so he played too, and he was

784
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: not good, but he benefited and his team benefited from

785
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: the fact that referees weren't allowed to rule against him um.

786
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: And also broadcasters weren't allowed to mention the names of

787
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: any other players in games he played in. UM, so

788
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: they would call out Saudi by name, but the other

789
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: players they just go ahead. They just give jersey numbers

790
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: for the other players. So if you were playing in

791
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: a game and he was anywhere on the field, no

792
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: one else's name could be mentioned, so they'd be like,

793
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: and the guy who saw it, he passed two, three passes,

794
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: ago passes too, they call their numbers out. Okay, everyone

795
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: but him on the field was just a number. Um. Yeah, Jesus.

796
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: He did not have a lot of a sense of

797
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: humor about his playing. There was a game in Tripoli

798
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: where Tripoli was playing against their rivals been god z

799
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: Uh and the Benghazi team dressed a donkey up in

800
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Saudi's jersey. Uh Saudi, I mean you want to guess

801
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: how cool His reaction was, Uh, pretty chill. He had

802
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: the Benghazi stadium demolished and banned their team from playing.

803
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot. Yeah, he was kind of a dick. Um.

804
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: Kitafi's son Mutassam was allowed to hire famous international pop

805
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: stars for his parties. Uh. He hired Beyonce and Usher

806
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: and Mariah Carey, all of whom were apparently fine with

807
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: taking a dictator's money to play at his birthday parties.

808
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: Wait when did the because for some reason, my brand

809
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: was still in black and white from the Muthalini stories.

810
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: When did he have that uh stadium demolished? Was that

811
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: modern days? I think that was in the early two

812
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: thousand Jesus. Yeah, I'm not on that, um, but yeah,

813
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: it was pretty recent, like it wasn't back in black

814
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: and white days for sure. Um. Yeah, Mutassam, you know,

815
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: had Beyonce play for him and stuff. He once counted

816
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: that his lifestyle costs the Libyan government two million a

817
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: month just for him counted that. Yeah. Yeah, that was

818
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: something he admitted freely to a friend. Yeah, so you

819
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: can imagine how expensive the whole family was. Um. Mutasam

820
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: attempted a coup probably once in the nineteen nineties. We

821
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: don't know for sure, but he tried to overthrow his dad.

822
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: We think his dad exiled him for a little while

823
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: and then welcomed him back as the National Security Advisory.

824
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Uh so little, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta forgive your kids,

825
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: gotta let them get that stuff out of them. Yeah,

826
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: you know that military overthrowing exactly. Your kids are gonna

827
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna crash a car or something. You know, they're

828
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: gonna gonna smoke a little weed. You can't be too

829
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: hard on him, you know, you kick him out to

830
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: Europe for a while, and then you make them your

831
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: national security advisor. Now, I see they'll never get there

832
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: because I already know my kids are plotting my overthrow,

833
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: and I just have it in the back of my mind.

834
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that's smart. You gotta, you gotta. It's like that

835
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: old parenting saying. You always you know, for every kid,

836
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: you need a as in secret police. Yeah yeah, yeah.

837
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Most of our conversations begin with you think you're stronger

838
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: than me. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's good, that's setting

839
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: yourself up for success. Uh. Kadafi's son Hannibal, was a

840
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: sailor and so wound up in control of Libya's hornible. Well,

841
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: Hannibal is a big name in that part of the world.

842
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, he's still a hero, fucking baller, bad guy name.

843
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: Anytime your name is Hannibal, that's frightening. Um. One of

844
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: the things that's a general rule with dictator kids is

845
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: that if you have like an interest like sailing, you'll

846
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: wind up in charge of that for the whole country.

847
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: So he was like, oh, you like being on ships, Well,

848
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: you're in charge of all the ports in our port nation.

849
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: You own the ocean. Yeah. Uh. The upside of it

850
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: is Hannibal was well educated and took his education seriously.

851
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: At one point, he was tutored by a European professor

852
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: from Copenhagen. The book Children of Dictators quotes writer John

853
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: byrne Is saying he was this tutor who visited and

854
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: was met by Chaufford cars, put up in a five

855
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: star hotel, and someone for private sessions to Hannibal's home,

856
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: where gazelles and antelopes strolled around a garden. Um. Pretty

857
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: sweet gig. If you're a tutor, I can see, Like,

858
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: I think that's more forgivable than like Beyonce because she

859
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't need the money. But a college professor, you can't

860
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: take what you can get. Yeah, I guess like, be

861
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: creative with who you make rich. Yeah. Yeah, at least, yeah,

862
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: college professor. I feel better about than Beyonce getting more

863
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: money to play for a dictator. We're just one of

864
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: the other Destiny's child Yeah, yeah, that would have been creative. Yeah.

865
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: We We've got a whole podcast on Children of Destiny

866
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: coming after this one, Destiny's Children. I'm sorry, I feel stupid. Uh.

867
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: Hannibal regularly found himself in conflict with the police. Not

868
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Libyan police obviously, because they would never get him in

869
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: trouble or anything, but with European police. Uh. In two

870
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: thousand one, he assaulted officers at the Hilton in Rome

871
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: at three am. I'm gonna quote from Children of Dictators here,

872
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: uh quote. The officers had been guarding Hannibal's own room.

873
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: He struck them with bottles and emptied a fire extinguisher

874
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: on them for good measure. He then pleaded diplomatic community,

875
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: as he would habitually do. In two thousand four, Hannibal

876
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: French police on a high speed chase through the center

877
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: of Paris. He was drunk in his black Porsche, doing

878
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: ninety miles an hour down the Chansa Lise. He ran

879
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: red lights at one point he went the wrong way.

880
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: When the police finally stopped him, six of his bodyguards

881
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: arrived in other cars and attacked the police and attacked

882
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: them like physically. Yes, um so this is like that, uh,

883
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: that affluenza case, but just on a global scale. Yeah,

884
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: it's affluenza when you actually are immune to prosecution because

885
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: you have diplomatic credentials, so you really can just plea

886
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: diplomatic community. They're like guilty. Yeah, well, diplomatic community and

887
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: diplomatic community. We control one of the biggest ports in

888
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: the world, so what are you gonna do? Like you you,

889
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, our trade is a not insignificant part of

890
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: your g d P. It's amazing that nobody just kills

891
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: one of these guys just like it's just like, well,

892
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: come on, you guys aren't gonna care, right, I mean

893
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: some of them did get killed, Yeah, but just Matasson

894
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: wound up getting killed right with alongside his dad. Yeah

895
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Um so Hannibal, you know, was a

896
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: nightmare person. He beat his wife and his servants, but

897
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: also his wife poured boiling water on her servants. So

898
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: nobody's the good. Nobody's good in this story. Yeah, maybe

899
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: the servants are okay, Yeah, the servants are probably decent

900
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: people who are just trying not to get boiled. After

901
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: Kadafi was deposed, information came out that Hannibal had ordered

902
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: the building of a private cruise liner called the Phoenicia.

903
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: It would have been big enough for thirty passengers. Hannibal

904
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: had specified that he wanted it to include a one

905
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: ton shark tank that could hold to san tiger sharks,

906
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: two white sharks, and two black tip tip reef sharks.

907
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: White sharks are great white sharks, just white, just white,

908
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: just white, just white at the great ones. He wasn't

909
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna he wasn't gonna splurge the company's country's money. Right,

910
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to go crazy. Um. Kadafi

911
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: did have one good kid. His name was Saif al Islam,

912
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: which literally means sort of Islam. Uh. Scife refused to

913
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: post in government and would regularly give interviews to the

914
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: national press where he was critical of the Libyan government

915
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: and his father Uh. He like was kind of very

916
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: popular in the world media because he was calling out

917
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: the Libyan regime. He would call for democratic elections, but

918
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: when the civil war happened, he returned home to fight

919
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: on behalf of his father, uh real godfather to situations, Yeah,

920
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I guess father one. Yeah, got father one. Like he

921
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: was a good enough guy that he recognized it was

922
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: fucked up and he was willing to call it out.

923
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: But like when the chips were down, he defended his

924
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: monster dad um And in fact he was like the

925
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: last Kadafi's standing in Libya, as as children of dictators

926
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: puts it after everyone else was you know, murdered or

927
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: had fled the country to avoid getting murdered in the

928
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: street publicly, and he was leftover. Did he ever get murdered?

929
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: As far as I think he's still alive, I think

930
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: he might be in custody right now. Two days after

931
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: his dad was killed, he said that he was willing

932
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: to fight at the end, But I think he's in

933
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: custody right now. It's it makes you wonder, knowing what

934
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: we know about all these other children of dictators, it

935
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: makes you wonder if this guy was the best human

936
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: like ever because he managed to just be an all

937
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: right person. Yeah, it's rare, right, Like you've got some

938
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: of the castros who were not terrible people, right, Yeah,

939
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: that's true. As far as we know, but like Castrew

940
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: didn't give them, I don't know he know he gave

941
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: them Like it's it's feel like he was kind of

942
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: absentee or like a disinterested dad maybe like yeah, yeah,

943
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: and that's they were just fucked up by or like

944
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: poorly parented into not being terrible. I guess. Yeah. Like

945
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: the best thing you can hope for is an of

946
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: neglect and also that your dad doesn't give you too

947
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: much responsibility. Um. And if that happens, then you won't

948
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: like wind up in the worst case scenario, you could

949
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: wind up in um. Yeah. Yeah, uh no. He was

950
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Scipe was captured trying to flee Libya. He was in

951
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: jail for five or six years. He was released in

952
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: June of two thousands, seventeen uh and a militia that

953
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: had arrested him chose not to transfer him to the

954
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: International Criminal Court. And it looks like he's going to Yeah,

955
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: he says he's running for president. The u N backed

956
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: Libyan government says he says he's going to. But the

957
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: u N backed government in Libya right now says that's

958
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: not going to happen. The i c C has a

959
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: warrant out for his arrest Uh. So, I guess we'll

960
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: see what happens if he needs somebody to run his campaign.

961
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we just gave them the strategy.

962
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Just be like, did you see how shitty might have

963
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: siblings were like, come on, I feel like Bannon can

964
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: make it. I mean that makes you wonder though, if

965
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: like the whole speaking out against his father thing was

966
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: all it was an act from the beginning, Like it

967
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, he is the great like the

968
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: long con. Yeah, what do they call like the ship

969
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: the second Coming of Satan? Is that data Satan to

970
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: electric Stan to electric blugalooya? Uh fuck? I forgot Yeah,

971
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: I feel like a great deceiver or whatever. I feel

972
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: like that's what's happening here. She's just like, if I

973
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: make myself seem like a good guy to the international press,

974
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: then they won't have a big issue when I wind

975
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: up taking over from my dad. And his dad was like, well,

976
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: he's the only kid I have who's not a complete

977
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: funk up, so he'll definitely take over. And it's fine

978
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: that he's gonna critique me a little bit antichrist. Yeah yeah, yeah,

979
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: So I'm about to talk about my boy Nikolai Lukashenko. So, uh,

980
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Nikolai is the son of al Xander Lukashenko, who is

981
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: known as the last dictator in Europe. He's the president

982
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: of Belarus. I should probably add that people called him

983
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: the last dictator in Europe before Putin was as clearly

984
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: a dictator as right now. Um. But yeah, we'll stray

985
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: away from politics here, coming back, baby, yeah. So um.

986
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: Nikolai Lukashenko started being groomed to rule Belarus when he

987
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: was six years old, which is I guess the age

988
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: when you start that training. I assumed some of this

989
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: involved a thorough education and military training and all that stuff,

990
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: but a lot of the time his dad just seems

991
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: to use him as a prop to embarrass world leaders.

992
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: By the age of seven, he'd posed Nikolai with the

993
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Pope Hugo Chavez and the President of Russia. Uh Dmitri Medvedev.

994
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: The President of Russia gave him an actual golden handgun. Uh.

995
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: He apparently still wears it because when he met Chavez

996
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: again in two thousand twelve, he reached his hands up

997
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: to high five him, and his suit coat slid back

998
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: to reveal a giant, stupid golden handgun. And I gotta

999
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: drop you some pictures here. So these are all going

1000
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: to be up on the website, all the pictures behind

1001
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: the bat Stards dot Com. Here's Nikolai Lukashenko receiving his

1002
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: giant golden handgun and there it is in his little suit,

1003
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: just always clearly packing heat. He's still a child, He's

1004
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: he's thirteen now, wow, and he still has a golden

1005
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: handgun that he carries everywhere. There's the picture of him

1006
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: with chops and this is a working handgun. Yeah, it's

1007
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: a functional gold plated handgun. Jesus Chris. He's like, my man, Yeah,

1008
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: what else do you give a kid? What do you

1009
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: give the kid who has everything? A golden gun? I

1010
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: like that he's slapping Hugo chavas a five instead of

1011
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: like shaking his hand or cowering in fear. Oh he's

1012
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: a hip you know, dictator in training. Uh, and apparently

1013
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: gets to carry a gun everywhere, which golden gun. I mean,

1014
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: what twelve year old wouldn't do that if they had

1015
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: the chance. Nothing says mad with power like golden handguns. Yeah.

1016
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: He's draw fring pretty hard in all those pictures. Um, Yeah,

1017
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: you don't find a whole lot about Nikola's personality because

1018
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, Belarus is a pretty closed country. Um, but

1019
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna turn out just great. Uh. He's

1020
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: been chosen to represent Belarus at the United Nations General Assembly.

1021
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: He's taking pictures of the Obama's and basically every other

1022
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: world leader who winds up near him. As of right now,

1023
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: he's aged thirteen. Uh, and yeah, we don't know much

1024
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: about him, but I'm optimistic that he will not be

1025
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: a drunken mass rapist. Yeah, so am I. If I've

1026
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: learned anything today, it's that I want that guy to

1027
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: marry my daughter if I if I ever have one. Um. So, yeah,

1028
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: he seems like he's going to be well balanced. Yeah,

1029
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: he seems like that seems like that's gonna go. So

1030
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: what why does his dad bring him everywhere? Because he

1031
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: thinks it's like funny to make heads of state pose

1032
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: with him, or it's it's kind of impossible to tell

1033
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: if it feels like some of it's that because Belarus

1034
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: has been condemned by a bunch of different countries, including US,

1035
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: through you know, nightmarish human rights violations jailing political opponents,

1036
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: So I think it kind of tickles him to make

1037
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: someone like Barack Obama pose with him and his little

1038
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: kid who's the dictator in waiting. But I think some

1039
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: of its training, like he wants to establish like a

1040
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: Kim style dynasty uh in Belarus, and so he's sort

1041
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: of positioning his kid. And so there's there's like two

1042
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: messages and making a six year old year heir apparent.

1043
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: One of them is, you know, obviously getting people ready

1044
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: for this guy to be in charge, but the other

1045
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: is like, well, he's six, so I'm going to be

1046
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: around for a long time, Like you're not going to

1047
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: be free of Alexander Lucaschanko anytime soon. And my kids

1048
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: packing a golden gun if anybody has a problem with um.

1049
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wanna end this podcast by talking about

1050
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: Hitler's son. UM. Now, I didn't know Hitler had a son.

1051
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: He almost certainly did not. But there is one man

1052
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: who spent most of his life believing he was Hitler's son,

1053
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: even though he never met the man. So his story

1054
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: is worth telling. Uh. This guy, Jean Mary Laurey, was

1055
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: born right at the end of World War One. He

1056
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: grew up without a dad, just knowing that his father

1057
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: was a random German soldier because the Germans had occupied

1058
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: his village for most of you know that war. He

1059
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: lived a pretty normal life. During World War Two, he

1060
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: fought against the Nazis is a member of the French Resistance. UM.

1061
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: But then in nineteen fifty, when his mom was on

1062
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: her deathbed, she told him that when she was sixteen,

1063
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: she'd had an affair with Hitler. Jean Marie had been conceived.

1064
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: During a quote Tipsy Night with the Future Fear in

1065
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: June of nineteen seventeen. UM. This is a quote from

1066
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Jean Murray quoting his mother saying, I was cutting hay

1067
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: with the other women when we saw a German soldier

1068
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: on the other side of the street. He had a

1069
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: sketch pad and seemed to be drawing checks out so far.

1070
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: All the women found this soldier interesting and wanted to

1071
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: know what he was drawing. They picked me to try

1072
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: to approach him. They wound up starting a relationship and

1073
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: Jean Maurie was born the next year. UM. It's cutting

1074
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: head euphemism for something, or they were just legitimately cutting

1075
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: they was I mean this is some like peasant ship,

1076
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: the adorably peasant Yeah, yeah, so yeah. According to Jean

1077
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: Maurie's mom. Uh, she and hit Or would often go

1078
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: on walks while she was pregnant. The walks usually ended badly. Quote.

1079
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: In fact, your father, inspired by nature, launched into speeches

1080
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: which I did not really understand. He did not speak French,

1081
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: but ranted in German, talking to an imaginary audience. So

1082
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: it sounds like Hitler. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like

1083
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: the one thing you would know about Hitler if you so,

1084
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: when was this? This was during World War two, during

1085
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: World War One? During World War World? World War one

1086
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: is when this kid's conceived, because he fights the Nazis

1087
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: as a young man. Um, because he's just like a

1088
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: French kid. Um, So most reputable historians say Philip probably

1089
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: wasn't Hitler's kid. A blood test didn't rule it out, though,

1090
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: because they have the same blood group. UM, and his

1091
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: mom had a Hitler painting, and there's another painting of

1092
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: Hitler's that looks like it's a painting of her Hitler

1093
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: and original Hitler. Maybe there's Yeah, it's not impossible. So

1094
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: did we have this guy's bloodline? Snuff doubt or where

1095
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: what we do? What's going on? We're getting to that um,

1096
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: so you know Jean Marie grew up believing he was Hitler,

1097
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: or you know, from the age thirty believed he was

1098
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Hitler's kid. And he claimed that at first he was

1099
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: horribly depressed and he would just work all day, every

1100
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: day in order to not be overwhelmed with sadness. Uh.

1101
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: He says for twenty years he couldn't even go to

1102
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: the movies because any time spent not productively, it would

1103
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: just like grip him and and and consume him. Ah.

1104
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: He didn't tell anyone for almost thirty years until in

1105
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine he walked into a lawyer's office and said, quote,

1106
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: I am the son of Hitler. Tell me what I

1107
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: should do? Which great day to be that lawyer? Why

1108
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: did he think that was a legal matter? Well, he

1109
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: never makes much of a point of it in the

1110
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: interviews of him I read, but there's always talk about like,

1111
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: well he might be entitled to the royalties from mine

1112
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: camp um. He did wind up writing a book about

1113
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: his experience as maybe Hitler's kid. Uh. And as the

1114
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: years went on and the scientific battle to prove his

1115
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: claims was waged, John Murie sort of leaned into being Hitler.

1116
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: He changed his look to match the fewer and he

1117
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: definitely looks Hitler. E h. I mean, all you need

1118
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: is a mustache. So this is him posing next to

1119
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: a picture of hit he keeps in his house. That

1120
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: will do it. He's got the stash and that's all

1121
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: you need. Yeah. He he grew the mustache and he

1122
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: kept Hitler pictures around on his walls so that when

1123
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: journalists came over they could catch a picture of him

1124
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: looking just like Hitler. And he does also important that

1125
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: you not be smiling in your picture. No, you can't

1126
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: look like Hitler while smiling. No, you don't see a

1127
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: lot of smiling Hitler pictures. Yeah, um so uh yeah.

1128
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: He seems to have gone from ashamed and horrified of

1129
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: his lineage to weirdly proud very Here's a quote from him,

1130
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: Hitler is my family. It's not my fault that I

1131
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: ended up as his grandson, or that all those things

1132
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: happened during the war, those things I think being Holocaust.

1133
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: What he did has all those things, all those things,

1134
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff, all those that that whatnot. Yeah, what

1135
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: he did has nothing to do with me, which you know,

1136
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: that's fair. He will always be family for me. That's weird. Yeah,

1137
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't think evil passes on. Of course, qualities from

1138
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: your parents pass on to you, but you build your

1139
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: own life and you make it what it is. Up

1140
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: until the end of his days, Jean Murray Lay continued

1141
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: to insist that he was proud of being Hitler's son.

1142
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: So that's weird. He is wearing a smart little sweater

1143
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 1: tie number. Yeah, he kind of gives you an idea

1144
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: of what Hitler retired might have. Yeah, that's exactly right.

1145
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Uh So, this is not the end of the story

1146
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: because Jean Marie had a son, Philippe, who worked as

1147
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: a plumber for the French Air Force. That's apparently a

1148
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: job the air Force would have wanted it, just just

1149
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: like Hitler would have loved. Please, I want you to

1150
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: deal with French soldier shit. Uh So. In recent years,

1151
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: Philippe has opened up about his belief that he is

1152
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: the grandson of Adolf Hitler. From him, we get quotes

1153
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: such as, my father said Hitler was a good lover

1154
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: and was gentle to my grandmother, But apparently he was

1155
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: a jealous person and did not like other men giving

1156
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: her the eye. As far as I know, he never

1157
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: had any sexual perversions. I don't want to make him

1158
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: out to be more of a monster than he is,

1159
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: which is weird of all of the things, rather than

1160
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: just being like, yeah, I think I'm Hitler's grandson, but

1161
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. You're like, I think

1162
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm Hitler's grandson, and my grandpa was good at sex.

1163
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: What a strange Yeah, so weird to die on. It's

1164
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: not like Hitler is known for not being good at

1165
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: sex or being good at sex, like either way, it's

1166
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: a very strange. I hear he was a gentle lover.

1167
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: All right, see you guys later. That's a weird thing

1168
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: you just drop on a journalist. My favorite thing about

1169
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: this story is the way Genre apparently informed his kids,

1170
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: including Philippe, that they might be Hitler kin. So one

1171
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: evening they're all seated around the dining room table when

1172
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: quote suddenly, my father said, kids, I've got something to

1173
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: tell you. Your grandfather is Adolf Hitler. Wow. Really built

1174
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: up to that. He had a lifetime to write that speech,

1175
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: and it was just like, oh Hitler, I almost forgot, Yeah,

1176
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: Hitler's your granddad. Yeah. Philip also expressed a weird sort

1177
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,479
Speaker 1: of pride in his possible ancestry and he too, keeps

1178
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: pictures of Hitler on his wall, seemingly so photographers can

1179
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: take photographs that show off the clear resemblance. It's the

1180
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: same picture his dad took me. Yeah, I mean his

1181
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: mustache is a little less Hitler. His mustache is just

1182
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: a mustache. Um. He does have two framed photographs on

1183
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: his wall, both of Hitler. One of them is a

1184
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: drawing um. But this is very strange, like they they

1185
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: look like, you know, they are in frames where you

1186
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: would have family pictures. Yeah. Yeah, just Hitler right on

1187
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: his back wall, and like like his dad seems to

1188
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: be making some effort to look Hitler. E Yeah, and

1189
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: with that casual, laid back Hitler vibe he has is

1190
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: like one hand on his wrist, like just kind of

1191
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 1: doing a hey, just chilling at Hitler the Third's dining room. Yeah,

1192
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: I can see the resemblance. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's

1193
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: not impossible that they're actually Hitler's kids. It's just weirder

1194
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: to me the impact that just thinking you've got this

1195
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: guy as your relative has on you. Yeah. It's also

1196
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: interesting to me that like so many of those other kids,

1197
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: the ones who weren't garbage like as soon as they

1198
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: were old enough to realize what their dad was doing,

1199
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: like fled the country. But these guys, once they think like, oh,

1200
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: my dead granddad might have been Hitler, they just go

1201
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: whole hog into looking like hi and like, hey, Hitler

1202
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad. He was a good lover. Yeah, say

1203
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: what you will about all that stuff that happened during

1204
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: the war. Hitler could fuck and he was my grandpa

1205
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: the end. I think that's the name of his book,

1206
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: Hitler could fuck my grandpa. Man. But what a romantic

1207
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: that Hitler was. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I've learned a

1208
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: lot about what to do as a parent from these stories. Yeah,

1209
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: any lessons you want to take back home with you,

1210
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: just uh yeah, burn their belongings. Well, laughing maniacally is

1211
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of one of the first things that puts them

1212
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: in their place. Really, uh kind of found his place

1213
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: after that. It sounds like, um, Jesus man, what a nightmare. Yeah,

1214
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: oh boy, that's a fun tale. Yeah yeah, I feel

1215
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: I still feel like having gone over all of this,

1216
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: Like my initial conclusion was right that that Fidel was

1217
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: probably the least garbage of all these parents, but they

1218
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: were all pretty pretty terrible, right, Yeah, Like not a

1219
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: lot of good cases here. Yeah, so yeah, um being

1220
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: a strong leader. That maybe that's a lesson for all

1221
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: of us parents to learn, Like, uh, the tendencies that

1222
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: lead to dictatorship don't lead to good parenting. Yeah, Authoritarianism

1223
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: isn't a good thing to to bring out and apparently not. Yeah. Yeah,

1224
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: although you know, maybe the Obama kids will wind up,

1225
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, carrying out a brutal uh purge campaign against

1226
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: the Trump family and and murder their political enemy. So

1227
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about whether how we would

1228
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: feel about that. But yeah, I bet the Obama girls,

1229
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: are you gonna end up just fine? Yeah? I suspect

1230
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: they'll wind up better than we already know the Trump

1231
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: kids have held out. I'm really curious about Baron. Yeah,

1232
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: Baron could be very interesting Ivanka. I mean, come on,

1233
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: she's she's an all star, She's a star. You guys,

1234
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: how long do you think it isn't before Putin gives

1235
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: Baron a golden gun? It's coming man, all right? Uh, well, Jack,

1236
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: you've got anything to plug? I hear you have a

1237
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: podcast these days? I do have a podcast these days.

1238
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: Almost definitely on the day you're listening to this, unless

1239
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: this weekend. We just released an episode. It's called The

1240
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: Daily Zeitgeist. We talk about whatever is happening right now

1241
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. I hosted with my co host

1242
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: Miles Gray, and we have a third comedian on end.

1243
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. You can find it wherever.

1244
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: Fine podcasts are given away for free. And you should

1245
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: try and get Hitler's grandson to come on. Yeah, that

1246
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: would that would actually be awesome. Yeah, I'm sure you

1247
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: have a fun pronunciation of the word zeitgeist. Um. Oh yeah,

1248
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: And you can follow me at Jack Underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Well,

1249
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: this has been Behind the Bastards and I am and

1250
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: have been Robert Evans. Uh if we haven't in this

1251
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: episode gotten to a dictator that you particularly wanted to

1252
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: hear about in their parenting strategies, Uh, that's okay. There's

1253
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot of dictators who had kids. Uh they were

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Speaker 1: all terrible. We didn't even get into Papa Dock and

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Speaker 1: baby doc. H. So this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: reoccurring feature throughout the podcast, will be checking back in

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Speaker 1: with other dictator parents and their kids talking about how

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Speaker 1: that's going. And you know, uh so, so if you've

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Speaker 1: got a dictator parent you want to hear about, maybe

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Speaker 1: drop us an email uh and we'll what is there

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Speaker 1: an email? Oh so, if you've got uh so, if

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Speaker 1: you've got a dictator kid or a dictator parent, you

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Speaker 1: want to hear about, maybe you tweeted at us, and

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Speaker 1: we'll make sure that one gets into the next episode

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Speaker 1: we do on this topic. Until then, you can find

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter and Instagram and social media at at

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Speaker 1: Bastards pod. You can find us on the internet dot

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Speaker 1: com at behind the Bastards dot com, and you can

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Speaker 1: find us next Tuesday with another episode of Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I'm Robert Evans.