1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle. Look look 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: on giants dot com. There we go. Where were going 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: on the Giants mobile? Let him in there, Let's go 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: to the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to the newest edition 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: of the Giants Huttle Podcast. My name is John Schlk. 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: You recognize this guy from ESPN. His name is Matt Miller. 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: We thank him for joining us, and we love getting 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: man on late in the process because he's one of 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: the guys that really has his ear to the pavement 10 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: to get the latest draft buzz. Matt, thanks so much 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: for being with us. Man, I know you're crazy busy. 12 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. Yeah, of course. It's a tradition. You know. 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: I think we've been doing this since I don't even 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: remember when we started. I was back at Bleacher Report. 15 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: We've been doing this a long time. I know that 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: it's been fun every year kind of tracking what the 17 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Giants are gonna do and and as you and I 18 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: talked about it, the combine. I'm such a huge believer 19 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: in Joe Shane and Brian Dable, so having two picks 20 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: in the top ten, it's not just fun for you guys, 21 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: it's actually fun for me as well to kind of 22 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: see a new direction for this franchise and see really 23 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: see where things are gonna go. Yeah, it was fun 24 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: to catch up with you the combine end of the 25 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl as well. 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Myself, 31 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Tony Pauline, Eric Crocker, chop it up on Everything Draft, Matt. 32 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: I want to go back to your Buzz column from 33 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: earlier in the week with Jordan Reed that you guys 34 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: put up and you had a little note tucked in 35 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: right at the bottom that you think the Giants really 36 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: loved Charles Cross And since then I've we had Rick 37 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: Seatella from Men a whole draft Bible and he said 38 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the same thing, Peter Schrager mock Charles crossing the Giants over. 39 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: I believe it was Evan Neil in a mock draft. 40 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: So can you expand on that a little bit? What 41 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: you're hearing about the Giants being connected to Charles Cross. Yeah, 42 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think it starts with the 43 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: thirty visits the team's have where they bring players in 44 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and this time of year, you know, the when you're 45 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: down to the wire. On those visits, it's usually bringing 46 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: in players because you have a legitimate interest in them. 47 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: And they did bring Charles crossand I'm told you went 48 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: very well, you know, speaking to people both close to 49 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: the team and the player, I know there was a 50 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: conversation about his ability to play right tackle, how comfortable 51 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: he felt there. I actually had the opportunity to watch 52 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: him work out at the line Masterminds early in the 53 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: draft process in Frisco, Texas, so I'm doing things at 54 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: right tackle right so and also seeing the athleticism that 55 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: he brings to the table, where even though he was 56 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: a two year starter at left tackle in Mississippi State, 57 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: he is a red shirt sophomore entry. He's a young 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: player who definitely has the athleticism to play either side. 59 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: He's comfortable playing right tackle. So I look at Charles 60 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: and say, you know, maybe you're not the day one 61 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: polished prospect Evan Neil or Ikey aquanu Are, But for 62 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the scheme that Brian David wants to bring in and 63 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: for the upside, he's an ascending player. And sometimes you 64 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: get guys from Alabama and you say, you might you 65 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: might not have better coaching in the NFL than you 66 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: had at Alabama. You might not have a better strength 67 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: and conditioning program in the NFL then you had at Alabama. 68 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: So sometimes guys come out of Tusca Loosa and they're 69 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: maxed out. I think coming out of that Leach system, 70 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people feel Charles Crosses certain to scratch 71 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: the surface. So there's definitely a lot of folks on 72 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: again both side, from players side and from team side 73 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: where you hear that connection a lot that he could 74 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: be a target of five or seven. Overall, it has 75 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: been fun to see that I'm not the only one 76 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: hearing it because I think I first reported it two 77 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago in a in a Buzz notebook that we 78 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: put out every Friday and said, you know, I'm hearing 79 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of momentum for this player 80 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: in this team, and it just seems to either picked 81 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: up from there. So when that happens, you either think like, okay, 82 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: we're all hearing it because it's true or we're all 83 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: either that or we're all hearing it because the team 84 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: wants us to hear it right. And I guess we'll 85 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: find out on Thursday which one it was. Yeah, and 86 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: you are certainly the person I saw it from first 87 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: mat When you talk to people around the league, how 88 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: universal is that top three tackle ranking? The neil A 89 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: Quantu cross do most teams haven't rated the same to 90 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: most teams have him, you know on that same pocket. 91 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: How universal is the analysis and the people you're talking 92 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: to around the league. The only thing universal is that 93 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: those three guy to the top three you could you'll 94 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: get a different order. I've probably talked to twelve teams 95 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: in the past couple of days trying to nail down, 96 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, final information. Also just trying to hay are 97 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: there any players that are kind of under the radar 98 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: that I need to be aware of? Our medical issues 99 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: that I need to be aware of. And that is 100 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: the common thing I asked, like, Hey, where do you 101 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: guys have the tackles, or where do you have the 102 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: pass rushers? Where do you have the quarterbacks? Those groups 103 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: this year that are really closely ranked together. You try 104 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: to poker probably get some that information. I don't think 105 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: there is a consensus as to who the top tackle is. 106 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I think it varies by team. You know, the New 107 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: York Giants are gonna have a different need than the 108 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: New York Jets are gonna have, or then the New 109 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints are gonna have. So I think that is 110 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: one thing that makes this year unique. It's almost a 111 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: little bit more like two thousand and twenty, where I 112 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: loved Trista Worps but thought he was a right tackle 113 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: for teams that needed a left tackle. He was not, 114 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: you know, as high of value, but I still loved 115 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the player. I feel like this year is really similar 116 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: where I Akano especially, I think he could be an 117 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: All Pro guard, could be a really good tackle. Charles 118 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: Cross we talked about. There's some positional versatility Evan Neil. 119 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: There's also a positional versatility. You know, with Evan, one 120 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: of the biggest questions is which player are we getting 121 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: Because he's a guy who's three d sixty pounds of 122 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: times in Alabama he got down to three thirty seven 123 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: for the combine. Looks great and his state at that 124 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: that spot. But I do know it is something teams 125 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: are worried about it's okay when the when it's not 126 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: the pre draft process, when you when you're not in 127 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the honeymoon phase, is he gonna put some of that 128 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: weight back on? How do you keep him locked in 129 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: in condition to Basically you mentioned the pass rushers, and 130 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting too. You basically just said they're 131 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: not uniform. So I guess I'll go this way because 132 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: I feel like Hutchinson and Walker have kind of elevated 133 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: themselves generally as the top two. Do you think that's fair? 134 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: Before we move on to the fair part of how 135 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: far or maybe not at all? Is Cabon Thibodeau slipping 136 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: sliding just a little bit maybe out of the top five? 137 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: You think, is that team the team? Is that overblown? 138 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: What are you hearing? Actually? I did his team the team, 139 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: and and he is the player that if you could 140 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: read my text messages, Uh, he is the player I'm 141 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: asking the most about as we get to the end 142 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: of this process, because, as you know, John, teams are 143 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna be a little more forthcoming this time of year, 144 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: especially teams they feel like they don't have a shot 145 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: at that player. You know, if you're drafting in the 146 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: teams or twenties. You're gonna speak pretty freely about Cavon 147 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: Thibodeau because he's gonna be off the board. So one 148 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: thing I heard this morning from someone who's very high 149 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: up with the team that will not have a chance 150 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: to draft him, is that this person got backum and said, hey, 151 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: we're not worried about it. He cares about his brand. 152 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: He absolutely does. He's a marketer. He cares about the 153 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: opportunities football can set up for him. But he's not 154 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: a bad person. He's not a bad character player. He's 155 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: not a bad he doesn't have bad football character. He 156 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: just does care about his off field stuff. And for 157 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: some people that will rub them the wrong way. This 158 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: particular team is comfortable with Thibodeau. Again, they won't have 159 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity to draft him. Maybe it's easier to be 160 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: comfortable with him because of that. But I do think 161 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: it will be team by team. You know, just like 162 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, you and I could sit in a room 163 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: and to a person and have completely different view on 164 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: if we want to trust them. You know, when you 165 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: make a pick in the top five, you're betting your job, 166 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: You're betting your coaches jobs, your scouts jobs, your secretary's job. 167 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Like you're betting a lot of jobs on that pick. 168 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: You want to get it right. It's not just about 169 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: the money, it's about all of the people they impact 170 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: in the domino effect of that. So I think with 171 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: teams that are considering Thibodeau, whether it's the Texans, the Jets, 172 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: the Giants, you have to be comfortable with that. I've 173 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: done the legwork where I would be comfortable with it 174 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: if I were in that war room on Thursday night, 175 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: if I were the Jets or the Giants, to say, hey, 176 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I believe that this young man wants to be great. 177 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Believe he does love the game of football. We saw 178 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that when he came back this year after he got 179 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: hurt in Week one. He came back. We've seen before 180 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: guys get hurt. But Nick Bose got hurt and probably 181 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: could have come back that season, decided not to. I 182 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: don't remember him getting crushed for it. But Thibodeau decided, Hey, 183 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: I will get back on the field. I will try 184 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: to work, you know, my team to win a conference championship, 185 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: to make it to the Rose Bowl. And I think 186 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: he deserves as much credit for that as as he 187 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: kind of does the question marks you know about, Oh, 188 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: he cares about his brand. It's two twenty two. I 189 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: think every almost every player cares about their brand. Now, 190 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: don't miss your chance to experience a premiere hospitality experience 191 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: watching Giants games world class concerts in two as a 192 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Giant Sweet partner. 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You 202 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: had to play through a very My understanding is those 203 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: list franc injuries are extremely painful. That he tried to 204 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: play through that thing. How universal is Sauce ahead of 205 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: him four teams or has Stingley made some progress back 206 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: as coaches and teams look at that two thousand nineteen 207 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: tape and and just fall in love. Yeah, I think 208 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: it's very split at this point. I've talked to some 209 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: teams that say, hey, we like Stingley, And in fact, 210 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: I've heard that Houston Texans really like Derek Stingley Jr. 211 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: Could take him at number three overall even they like 212 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: him how much they've done a lot of work on him. 213 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: And You're right, what what DJ reported is very accurate. 214 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: It's what I've heard from people at l s U. 215 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Even is that he he loves football. That's not a question. 216 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: I you know, thought the two twenty tape you almost 217 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: had to throw it out for a lot of guys 218 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: because of the COVID shortened season. Also, L s U 219 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: goes from being one of the greatest programs of all 220 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: time to a five and five team that really struggled. 221 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: You had a coach that was kind of losing his 222 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: grip on the program, and I think it's understandable. Hey, 223 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: some guys didn't play as well as they did the 224 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: year before. They also weren't surrounded by you know, a 225 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: ton of as much talent, you know, to where teams 226 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: just weren't throwing instantly. Of course, he's not gonna have 227 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: six interceptions. He was still an all American, so I 228 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: am a fan of his. John I think you know, 229 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: the Liz Frank injury is really my only concern, and 230 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: it seems like from the Pro day he's and he's 231 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: ready to go, and he he should be a top 232 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: five pick. The only reason he won't be as if 233 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: team's value the offensive tackles and the pass rushers ahead 234 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: of him. But some team will get an absolute steal 235 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: if he does slide in the draft. You know, just 236 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: look at DMan Clark and Neil Farrell's state from it 237 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: was bad too because that defense and it was much 238 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: better last I'm with you on that. So how likely 239 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: do you think that a non pass rusher and non 240 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: offensive tackle goes in the top four then before the 241 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Giants go at five? I would be surprised. I think 242 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: the Jets would are a bit of a wild card 243 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: where Joe Douglas could go with a corner like a 244 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner Deck Steeley Jr. You could surprise us and 245 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 1: go wide receiver, although I think they'd be smarter to 246 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: wait until pick ten to do that. No. Part of 247 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: my job is to try to get to know these 248 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: general managers, either with a personal relationship or get to 249 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: know this one close to them so that you can 250 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of get some intelling what they're doing. Having said that, 251 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: it's very difficult for me to believe that we look 252 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: at how talented this offensive tackle classes and how talented 253 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: this pass thresher classes, and think that Joe Douglas, of 254 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: all people, is gonna pass on being able to build 255 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: in the trenches. That is just not the Joe Douglas 256 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: that people know. So it would surprise me if he 257 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: went corner or wide receiver at four. I said, you know, 258 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: Robert Sala had a ton of success in San Francisco 259 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: without spending premium picks on corners. We'll see if that's 260 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: a philosophy that he brings to New York or not. 261 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: But I do think the Giants in a great position. 262 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, even if it's Aidan Hutchinson at one Travon 263 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: Walker at two, the Texas and Texans and Jets really 264 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: can't do anything that should throw off the Giant strategy 265 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: because you either take the best right tackle available or 266 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the best defensive end available, and the board will fall 267 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: to where one of those, whether it's Thibodeaux or Charles Cross, 268 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: ikey Akwana, someone's gonna be there. That's a really good value. Yeah, 269 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: no question. And then at five. You know, Joe Shane 270 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: said this at his press comments the other day. He's 271 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: playing the game on what are the Panthers gonna do 272 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: with six? Can I wait on somebody because they might 273 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: take up absolutely all. I know they've done all the 274 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: work on the guys. Matt, my gut tells me they're 275 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: not taking a quarterback. What are you hearing? And if 276 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: they don't go quarterback, is that definitely one of the 277 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: tackles there. Yeah, So I in my final mock draft, 278 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: I will have them taking a quarterback just because I 279 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: I believe they'll trade back and take a quarterback and 280 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: let someone come up, whether it's the a team like 281 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: the New York Jets needs to be watching what you 282 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: guys do it pick five and say, okay, we need 283 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: the exact same things they do. We better come up 284 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: and make sure that they don't get the guy at 285 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: seven or a team that wants a wide receiver you 286 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: want to get ahead of the Atlanta Falcons eight. You 287 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: could come up to to the six spot. Let the 288 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Panthers slide back, but if they stay there, they absolutely 289 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: do need a left tackle. Cam Irving is their left 290 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: tackle right now, and I mean no disrespect to him. 291 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: That's not gonna get it done. Not a left tackle 292 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: right He's a swing guy. And so I do think 293 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: also as a team, they have picked six and that 294 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: pick they gotta do something right, and they do have 295 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: a lot of holes. I would argue do it. Sam 296 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Donald is a better quarterback than Imrving as a left tackle. 297 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: So if you're talking about what is the priority, it's 298 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: left tackle over quarterback. You could roll with Sam Donald 299 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: and pull trade for Baker Mayfield to Jimmy Garoppolo. You 300 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: got p J. Walker back there, who's familiar with Matt rule. 301 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Like I do think tackle is a much bigger need 302 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: for the Panthers than quarterback is, if that makes sense. No, Look, 303 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: I'm with thecent. You mentioned the potential for a trade 304 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: up for the Giants. If Joe Shane's looking to bank 305 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: more picks for this year, maybe you know, hedge in 306 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: their bets next year getting extra picks like the Eagles 307 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: just did. Right Where do you think they could move? 308 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: How far back could they? Because you know in order 309 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: to get that, you know there's been reporting that the 310 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: price to move up is going down because the quarterback 311 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: class isn't valued as much, and I think that makes 312 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. People are gonna trust their scouts 313 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: and where they placed these quarterbacks. So how far back 314 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: would the Giants have to go to try to bank 315 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: on one for next year? And is that even feasible? 316 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: You think in this year's draft it would? It be 317 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: a much smaller move down in your opinion, I think 318 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: if you want to move act, you need you need 319 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback to go at six, because then you have teams. 320 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and you're really trying to 321 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: come out of here with the quarterback, you would be 322 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: aggressive enough to come up and get one um and 323 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: you do have to worry about Atlanta at eight. So 324 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: if I'm the Giants, I'm doing two things. I'm telling 325 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: people seven is available, and then I'm telling everybody you know, 326 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: I hear the Falcons want a quarterback pretty badly, or 327 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: I hear the Seahawks might take the quarterback. You know 328 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: you're putting You're putting that out there trying to get 329 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: someone to come up. So again, whether it's the Steelers 330 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: at twenty, the Saints have two picks and the teams. 331 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: Maybe they want to ladder their way up to be 332 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: able to get a quarterback and hold on to one 333 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: of those potentially, which would you know, could then include 334 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the next year's pick um, So that I think those 335 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: are the right scenarios. If Carolina takes a quarterback, you 336 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: start screaming up from the rooftops that Atlanta and Seattle 337 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: that you know, if you're Joe Shane, you want to 338 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: be telling everybody you know, my good friends in Atlanta 339 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: and Seattle. I here here they one a quarterback and 340 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: then try to get someone to it to be enticed 341 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: to come up and get whether it's Malik will or 342 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. Yeah, I think Pittsburgh is the sweet spot there. 343 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: If you can pull that off, I'm with you. Giant 344 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: season tickets are on sale now for the season. In 345 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: addition to ticket savings, membership benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, 346 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: pre sales, and more. You can lock in your seat 347 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: starting at just one hundred bucks. Called n yg is 348 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: a Giants dot com slash tickets for more information. This podcast, 349 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: By the Way, He is presented by Tommy He'll Figure, 350 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: a PVH brand and an official partner of the new 351 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: York Giants, Matt all right, So let's say the Giants 352 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: picked that tackle at five and they're sitting there at seven. 353 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: They have similar grades, And let's say is Stingley and 354 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: a tipot Ol they're both there and they can pick 355 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: one of the other. Do you feel better about the 356 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: edge guys or the corners when the Giants come up 357 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: at thirty six? I think it's a pretty easy answer. 358 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: At edge, what do you think? Yeah, I feel better 359 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: about I actually feel better about the corner group in 360 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: around two and I'm to hear it. So I think 361 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the corner some of its injury, Like Andrew Booth junior 362 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: from Clemson could be there. You know, he had to 363 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: have hernia surgery this offseason. I really like his tape. 364 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Kyrie Elam in Florida could be there. Uh, he was 365 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: a little bit almost like his technique got a little 366 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: lazy this past year. But I think he's a starting 367 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: corner in the very gray down the field. Absolutely right, so, 368 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: but but he could be there. And I think Grabby 369 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: is an easier fix than with the pass rushers. I 370 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: see a lot of guys who are missing something. You know, 371 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Nick Benito incredible production in the in the Big twelve, 372 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: but he's under sized. Arnold Ebba Katie another guy who's 373 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: kind of undersized for the position, and I think they 374 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: both project as more role players than starters, you know. 375 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: And so I look at the corner class in the thirties, 376 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: you can get starters, the pass rusher group. I think 377 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you're betting on players who are maybe like minus one 378 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: trade Boy and Mafe Minnesota, the guy who played like 379 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: snaps there. Now it was productive when he was on 380 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: the field, but you have to wonder, why were your 381 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: rotational player at Minnesota where it's not Georgia, you know, 382 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: where where they're rolling them out left and right to 383 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the point that Jermaine Johnson has to transfer right. It's 384 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: not like that. So I would rather go edge at 385 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: seven and corner at the at the thirty six or 386 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: thirty eight wherever they're out round too, and and look 387 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: at it that way, because I do think someone like 388 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: Booth Junior, kyra Elam, Roger McCreary, maybe Kyler Gordon. I 389 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: think the depth at corner is a little bit better 390 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: this year. Now. The risk you run as teams in 391 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: the twenties, uh, you know, Buffalo and Kansas City could 392 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: definitely thin out that corner market a little bit, but 393 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: it feels like corner we've got a Sauce and Stingley. 394 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna go early, and then there's a there's a gap, 395 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: and how big that gap is could mean that there's 396 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: there's some really good players available early round two. We're 397 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: joined my Matt Miller from ESPN. Matt, what position do 398 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: you think we're gonna have that run on at the 399 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: end of round one? Right? It's usually either white out 400 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: corner edge, it could be into your offensive line. Where 401 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna have that group where you 402 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: get to the end of Thursday and you're like, wow, 403 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: seven guys from that position really went in the first round. 404 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Where do you think that run's gonna happen? Yeah, wide receiver, 405 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: without a doubt. I think you get past You know, 406 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: we expect Garrett Wilson, Drake London, probably Jamison Williams to 407 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: go in the top seven. But then after that, like 408 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: New England could take one at twenty one, Green Bay 409 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: could take one at twenty two. Who knows what the 410 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals are gonna do at twenty three, same thing for 411 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: Dallas at twenty four. Then you got Buffalo, Tennessee. They 412 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: could both take one. You've got Kansas City in there twice. 413 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Green Bay again. Green Bay could take two receivers the 414 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: Lions at the thirty two. So the record is seven 415 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the first round. I would not be 416 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: shocked at all if we saw that record fall. Now. 417 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: Some of them will be teams. I'm anticipating teams look 418 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: at some of the money being spent at receiver and 419 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: say no, thank you. I would have a draft one 420 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: in the late first round, and we have that player 421 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: for five years under under roster control, uh and and 422 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: are able to say, okay, this is easy money. We're 423 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: paying you, you know, ten million dollars for four or 424 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: five years instead of twenty five million dollars a year. 425 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: So I think the smart team building is gonna push 426 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: wide receivers up the board and make it It's already 427 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: been a valuable position, but I think it's gonna make 428 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: it more valuable, especially where we've seen so much of 429 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the talk is you can wait until round two and 430 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: get Deebo Samuel or a Michael Pittman, or wait and 431 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: get a Cooper Cup. I think what we're gonna see 432 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: happen is the same thing that happened at quarterbacks. The 433 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: price tag gets so expensive that it just becomes smart 434 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: team building to draft those players late first round. So 435 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: do you have that five years of control? Basically? By 436 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: the way, you can go check out Matt's top three 437 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com. It is up there. Uh, three 438 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: positions a need Matt, you can take him anywhere that 439 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: you want. Giants have a need a tight end, running back, 440 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: and then safety, which is kind of a stealth need 441 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: for them. What's the sweet spot you think for those 442 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: three positions in this draft where the need is kind 443 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: of gonna meet up with the value there. Yeah, I 444 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: think running back it's probably round round three or round four. 445 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: Breece Hall might go in the first round. Kenneth Walker 446 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna go in the second round for sure, but then 447 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: round three you could get you know, Isaiah Spiller from 448 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: Texas A and m James Cooking is a mayor wife 449 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: from Georgia. I love Pierre Strong from South Dakota State man, right. 450 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: I think he'll be a starter in the NFL. I 451 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: really do so. I think that's a good range tight end. 452 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: I tweeted about to say that day. I think hight 453 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: in and around four is kind of the sweet spot 454 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: because there's good depth and we're not gonna see one 455 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: go in the first round. We might not see the 456 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: first tighten come off the board until like Tampa or 457 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati at the end of round two because the value 458 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: is just not there. You know, maybe Green Bay is 459 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: in that mix as well for the first tight end, 460 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: but whether it's Trey McBride or Greg Dellsig, like you 461 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: might be able to wait until round four and get 462 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: a Jeremy Rucket from Ohio State or you know, James 463 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: Mitchell from Virginia Tech. Like, there's there's good players at 464 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: the tight end position that are going to be there 465 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: there and round four and be starters for safety. Safety 466 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: is deep. It's like a sneaky deep spot to where 467 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: I I almost wonder, you know, if Daxton Hill comes 468 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: up the board round he should, I love Daxton Hill 469 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: from Michigan. He should come up the board and round 470 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: one and he won't have much of a corner as 471 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a safety right exactly, So like what happens to Chakwa Brisker, 472 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie, Webster, Briant Cook, Nick Cross from Maryland, where 473 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: those guys go like round three might be pretty dang 474 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: thick on safeties. It depending on how the boy comes interesting. 475 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: All right, as you wrap up here, Matt, give me 476 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: your ideal scenario for the Giants, you know, or give 477 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: me what you think is gonna happen. You can take 478 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: it either where you want, five, seven, and thirty six. 479 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: Give me the three first three picks to Giants walk 480 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: away with with this draft. Yeah, I think a five 481 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: came on Thido makes too much sense, and then he'd 482 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: be he'd be great in that scheme. Uh, fantastic value. 483 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: So if he's there, he would be my pick at seven. 484 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: I've I've said too much about it to not go 485 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: this way. I think Charles Cross makes a ton of 486 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: sense at seven, and then as we talked about, corner 487 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: at thirty six is a sweet spot for me. So 488 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Kyer Ellen from Florida would be the guy. Um. I 489 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: do think, as you mentioned, trying to trade out to 490 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: bank an extra first in two three is a smart 491 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: move just given the uneven quarterback player that has existed there. 492 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: But uh, you gotta wait and see what's on the board. 493 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to get a pass rusher 494 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: and a right tackle, that could be blue chip building blocks. 495 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I think you have to do that and worry about 496 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: next year. Next year. And by the way you mention, 497 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: you're calling around, who's the guy that we should be 498 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: talking about, but that we're not that maybe NFL teams 499 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: like in these later rounds that might surprise people. Oh wow, 500 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: that's a great question. Uh. Durant from South Carolina State 501 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: the corner to Kobe Durant is And I hate that 502 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: I was so late on him, but he was one 503 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: of those guys Like as I was making calls, people 504 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: kept saying, hey, like, you gotta get higher on this guy. 505 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: But I'd already turned on my stuff, right, the world 506 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: of living with editors, right, I turned my stuff in 507 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, so I finally went back and watch 508 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: because South Carolina State tape is not the easiest thing 509 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: to always get. God bless the new employers at ESPN 510 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: who have that stuff ready and available for us. That 511 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: I was. I was able to finally actually watch cut 512 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: ups of his play. And he's a talented player. I 513 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: wish I had ranked him higher. I think there's a 514 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: chance he goes in the fourth and fifth round, and 515 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: Matt will have a seven round mock draft coming out 516 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: next week from my lips to God's years and no 517 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: trades happened between now and then. Good luckily, and and 518 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: tell the folks where they could find you on Twitter 519 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: and then anything else you want to let him know. Yeah, 520 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: NFL Draft Scout on Twitter and all social media platforms. 521 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: I'm like came on Tiboda, worried about that brand and 522 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: like you said at ESPN plus from my top three 523 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: hundred and a seven around Bock Draft next week, make 524 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: sure you check it out. Matt. Always a pleasure, Like 525 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: I think, we've been doing this for seven eight years now. 526 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you. Thanks so much, 527 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: and congratulations on being full time with the mother Ship. 528 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: We'd love to see on all the programming NFL Live, 529 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: Get Up and everything else you're doing. Congratulations and we'll 530 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: talk to you down the road, all right, Thanks Matt 531 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: Miller from ESPN. Make sure you stay tuned to the 532 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast. Check out our Beat Reporter mock that 533 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: went up earlier this week, and we will see you 534 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: next time on the Giants Huddle as we continue our 535 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: coverage of the NFL Draft next week, we're gonna have 536 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: our Offensive Line um Report, which Shanahwar and David as 537 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: they break down all those offensive linemen. We'll see you 538 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: next time. Everybody,