WEBVTT - #538 Packers Unscripted: Let the battles begin 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:20.840 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.560 distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.760 joined by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkoits. We're coming to 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.440 you from remote locations. Actually I am in the studio 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.159 at twelve sixty five here at lambeau Field West, still 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.640 in the bonus room above his garage. But West. You 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.240 will be coming here in a couple of days because 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.120 the Packers will have their first practice of training camp 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.760 on Saturday. So in looking ahead to that, let's just 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.360 throw it back and forth a little bit in terms 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.080 of the position battles, the things that you're gonna have 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.120 your eye on here as training camp begins. Start on 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.520 the offensive side, what are you gonna be watching for? Well, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.320 there's a lot I'm gonna be watching for. But first 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.960 and foremost, Mike, I have to say I wrote it 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.240 an Insider inbox for Thursday. We are talking about practice, 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.479 and I've never been happier about it. I mean, this 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.119 is It's funny how a lot of times you get 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.880 to that first preseason game You're like, man, we just 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.200 got to see a preseason game. I just need to 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.200 see a practice at this point, I just got to 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.240 see these guys up close, actually get to appreciate what 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.600 they are physically and what they can do during a 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.520 team period or one on one drill. If you're an 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.560 offensive lineman, we are far overdue for being able to 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.480 see that type of work and seeing exactly where these 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.800 guys are at. Now, all that being said, offensively, this 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.440 is just the biggest wide open competition that I can recall. Mike, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.560 You've been you know, doing this probably about twice as 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.160 long as I have now, But in my nine years, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.639 I can't think of it as far as the skill positions. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.800 Just a battle at basically every spot, whether it be 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.240 tight end, running back, or receiver. Now certainly receivers the 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.560 one that's going to get the most eyeballs this summer, rightfully, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.080 So you want to see improvement there, you need guys 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.320 to take that next step. Now you bring him the 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.160 league turner into that competition. Eleven twelve guys that are 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.400 all gonna be battling this thing out. And then, by 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.080 the way, you're gonna have two or three spots on 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.800 that sixteen man practice squad as well that some of 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.799 those guys that maybe aren't gonna push Davantie Adams for 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.600 a starting spot. It's it is imperative for them to 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.280 show enough during these four weeks for them to get 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.600 that extended look with this team. As Brian Goodkin said 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.799 earlier this week, the practice squad is gonna be as 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.240 important as it's ever been for the Packers tight end. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.400 You have Mercedes Lewis. Everybody knows what he does. He 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.920 does his job really well. But who's going to be 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.480 that playmaker that steps up beyond him? You're j Sternberger 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.000 has received a lot of pub this offseason. Robert tanyan 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.359 kind of the forgotten guy. But you think about it, Mike, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.720 he made arguably his best catch as a Packer at 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.720 the time in which he got injured last year. And 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.560 then Josiah Deguara, you know, arguably one of the biggest 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.440 question marks in terms of what he's going to do 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.079 on the field for the Packers and where exactly is 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.760 gonna line up running back everything, Mike, There's just so 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.400 many jobs that are gonna be up for grab, so 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.000 many roles that need to be carved out, and I 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.760 can't remember a time in which it's just been this 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.200 wide open for who are going to be those eleven 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.440 people that start. When you look at that game against 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.239 Minnesota next month. Yeah, it is interesting when you look 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:21.040 at the skill positions for the Packers because it does 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.240 seem rather clear who the number one guy is at 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.440 each position. You have Davante Adams, you have Aaron Jones, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.480 and in terms of experience and longevity, you have Marcedes 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.280 Lewis at tight end. But at those three positions, starting 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.720 with the number two spot, at all of those, in 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.920 all of those areas, there's some uncertainty. You don't really 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.040 know exactly how this is going to shake out. Now. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.080 I would think Alan Lazard would have the inside track 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.880 to the number two receiver spot behind Adams. You would 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.480 think Jamal Williams would stay the number two running back 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.960 as he's been behind Aaron Jones. But you have a 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.200 j Dillon, a young second round draft pick, being brought 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.800 in without the offseason, the normal off season that rookies have. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.600 How quickly can you get a rookie up to speed 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.800 and potentially contributing in this offense. Same goes that tight 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.440 end with Josiah Deguire. As you mentioned, you have Ja Sternberg, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.280 Robert Tanyan, but they didn't draft Iguire to sit on 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.800 the bench, so but he you know, these rookies, they 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.560 need some time to get to get into things. So 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.280 are the rookies going to make a bigger impact, say, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.960 come November and December potentially, rather than in September and October. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.640 We just don't know how that's going to shake itself out. Now. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.000 The other thing I will say, too, is there's going 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.400 to be a lot of interest on the Packers offensive line, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.680 at least certainly in the early days of training camp, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.120 because Matt Lafleur, in his media sessions throughout the off 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.600 season and in these early stages of camp, he has 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.760 not committed to a starting five. He hasn't gone on 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.159 record saying, okay, Brian Blague has gone, Rick Wagner has 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.320 been signed and he's stepping in at right tackle, and 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.600 everything else is staying the same. He hasn't said that. Now. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.960 It could happen that way, and that would be the 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.080 most seamles this way to transition from twenty nineteen to 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.800 twenty at this point, but we really don't know. Is 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.200 Billy Turner going to compete with Rick Wagner at right tackle? 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.640 Is Lane Taylor going to compete for a starting spot 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.600 at guard, possibly with Billy Turner. So there are some 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.400 questions there in terms of exactly what the plans are 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.520 for the coaching staff and how much competition there will 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.600 be at certain spots. I think it is safe to 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.880 say David Baktier will be at left tackle, Elton Jenkins 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.000 will be at left guard, and Corey Lindsley will be 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.640 at center. But the right side of that offensive line, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.120 it's still kind of wait and see for now. Yeah, 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.559 And if you remember, Mike, this is exactly what mc 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.159 lafleur did last season. Last summer with training camp, a 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.360 lot of questions were asked about, Okay, is Lane Taylor 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.480 gonna be your starting left guard, and he left it open. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.400 He was gonna give Elton Jenkins an opportunity to compete 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.840 for that spot, and even through training camp and even 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.800 in a little bit into the regular season, was still 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.359 giving him some reps there. And then obviously disaster strikes 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.840 and you have Lane end up airing his biceps and 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.320 then next thing you know, Jenkins is starting four teen games. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.919 So things can turn on a dime on you. The 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.640 one thing I think is really interesting about this group 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.159 the Packers have put together on offense, though, is it 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.920 is arguably the deepest that I can remember them being 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.160 at a lot of these positions. Uh, it isn't just Okay, 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.240 Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. Now that's a 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.960 really good trio to have, but there were some years 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.680 there where if one of those guys went down, you 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.640 really didn't know who the next guy was gonna be 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.719 to slide in there. Uh, there's a lot of interchangeability 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.040 right now with these parts. You look at the tight ends, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.920 they're built all the very similarly. So where this thing 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.000 ends up shuffling out, I don't know if it's going 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.000 to be your typical Okay, well you know you're gonna 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.200 start this tight end and he's gonna play fourty or 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.640 fifty snaps. It could be a lot different. You could 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.160 see these guys get twenty here, twenty there, depending on 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.600 who earns the playing time. And then by the way, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.880 you get a guy like John Lovett now coming in, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.400 maybe they still keep a fullback. Maybe they have that 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.400 position in that back field as well. So many different 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.479 things that be because we haven't seen any offseason program practices, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.000 because we haven't seen any training camp practices. At the 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.120 point that you and I are taping this, you just 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.840 really don't know. All you know is if I'm Matt 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.800 Laflour and I'm looking at that room and I'm getting 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.960 ready for Saturday mornings practice, I am excited to see 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.360 all these guys finally get to work and see who 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.640 really starts to shine. Yeah, and I think shifting gears 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.360 to the defensive side of the ball, I don't know 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.280 if there's quite as much that needs to shake out 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.320 in terms of the guys we're going to see on 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.880 the field regularly in this defense. We've talked a lot 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.960 about how Rashaan Gary is certainly going to have a 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.640 larger role at outside linebacker, the first round pick from 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.960 a year ago, and how he the snaps that he 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.680 gets may um, you know, lighten the workload for the 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.160 Smiths at those outside linebacker spots, or maybe Mike Patton 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.160 is going to have some packages where all three of 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.640 those guys are on the field at the same time. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.600 Those are the kinds of things we will see as 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.840 camp in the early stages of the of the stages 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.840 of the regular season roll along. In the secondary, I 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.800 think it's pretty clear that jayro Alexander the Kevin King 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.000 and probably Channon Sullivan as your number three. Those are 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.200 your top cornerbacks Adrian Amos, Darnell Savage or your top 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.440 two safeties. I don't you know, barring an injury or 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.640 something unexpected, I don't necessarily see any of that changing. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.960 We'll see at cornerback how things uh um pan out 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.040 between Josh Jackson Kedar Holman, because you know, the Packers 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.680 are gonna want to have five six cornerbacks on this roster, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.440 certainly when it's all said and done. To head into 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.320 Week one, I think the thing that everybody's gonna be 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.680 watching on the defensive side of the ball is what 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.880 is happening at the inside linebacker spot. Christian Kirksey is in, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.720 Blake Martinez obviously is out. That seems to be a 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:45.280 rather um simple interchange, I guess. But then who is 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.440 the guy that's going to be next to Christian Kirksey 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.200 in certain packages. There's Orn Burke's, there's Curtis Bolton, there's 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.840 the new draft pick Kamal martin Um, there's Ty Summers, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.360 a seventh round draft pick from a year ago. So 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.240 there's a lot of competition there for that other inside 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.000 linebacker spot. But then also, what does Mike Petton want 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.000 to do with packages? Does he want to have an 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.360 extra defensive back playing that inside linebacker spot in sort 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.400 of that that dime look that he likes to go with. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.040 Maybe that's Will Redman as the third safety, that kind 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.320 of thing, Raven Green. So though that's the spot, I 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.400 think that everybody's gonna have their eye on on the 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.680 defensive side of the ball, whereas a lot of the 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.160 other spots on defense there doesn't seem to have been 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.559 you know, a whole lot of question marks as to 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.400 how the Packers are gonna line up. Yeah, it's funny. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.480 It's almost like the additive inverse of the offense, where 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.200 you look at the defense and you know you're gonna 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.120 have the Smith's playing over seventy of the playing time, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.800 even if they do cut their snaps a little bit 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.880 this year. You know, Kenny Clark is gonna be playing 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.959 a lot. Dean Lawrie, they paid him last year to 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.400 be a starter. Your boundary corners, your back safeties. So 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.840 much of that stuff is solidified right now going into 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.240 this camp. But it's those auxiliary pieces. It's the depth, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.280 it's the defensive line rotation, and as you pointed out, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.680 what I would consider to be that a eleventh man 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.400 on defense, what do you do it inside linebacker? You know, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.080 you go back to that opener last year, Mike Raven 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.079 Green had a heck of a ball game, and then 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.440 the following week he ends up aggravating that ankle inch 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.320 injury again doesn't play the rest of the season. So 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.840 seeing exactly what you have in Green is probably gonna 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.679 be the biggest indicator of how much we see that 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.480 hybrid safety on the field. Will Redmond can play that 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.520 position as well, but as you saw last year when 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.040 Redmond had to go in, it was Adrian Amos moving 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.200 down into the box, and I think, especially in the 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.280 second half of the season, while it was a very 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.520 selfless move from Amos, they didn't sign him to be 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.520 a hybrid linebacker. They signed him to be a strong safety, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.840 to be that that commander on the back end, and 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.240 they want to keep him in that role, especially if 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:46.920 they end up being a little bit more flexible with 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.480 how they used Darnell Savage. Now in year two, that's 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.400 a guy that could potentially move into the box and 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.400 he maybe even be a slot corner. Here and there. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.520 All those things have to be disfigured out and and 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.240 get a certain level of comfort in this training camp 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.960 so that Mike pett can realize, Okay, how much do 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.240 I want to get Rashawn Gary on the field? How 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.079 much can we trust Chandon Sullivan to be that nickel cornerback? 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.040 Where are we going to shuffle out next to Christian Kirksey. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.480 Who's gonna be that guy? You know? Is it an 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.280 inside linebacker? Is it a strong safety? Those are the 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.840 type of things that I think over these next three, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.680 four or five weeks, the Packers have to get a 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.040 real solid feeling for what they have because Mike, let's 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.160 be honest, this is the year for the Packers defense. Offensively, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.920 you have Aaron Rodgers, you got Davante Adams, you gotta 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.520 you know, you have Aaron Jones. You have all these 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.199 guys that can make plays. But defensively, they've built this 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.440 thing to be a team that can dominate on that 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:41.840 side of the ball. They want to be a top 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.079 ten defense. They want to take the ball away. They 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.800 want to be someone that a offense fears every time 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.200 they play them. They're coming into their own They're in 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.480 their prime. And this is the year to do it. Yeah. Well, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.840 the other interesting thing, of course about this training camp 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.200 usually at this point you and I have watched a 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.880 handful of O t A practices, We've seen a rookie 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.200 mini camp, we've seen a full squad mini camp, and 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.880 all of these new faces in the locker room are 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.080 guys that we've seen him at least run around in 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.440 shorts and helmets on the field. So you and I 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.040 have been asked a lot in insider inbox. Okay, which 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.240 rookie are you most looking forward to seeing for the 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.760 first time, because here we are the middle of August 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.640 and we haven't seen these guys at all yet. So 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.800 the Packers currently, I believe it's twenty two rookies on 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:29.120 the roster, nine draft picks, thirteen undrafted rookies. Is there 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:33.760 one guy that really is the one that you're most 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.360 interested in seeing out there on the field in a 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.040 Packer uniform for the first time? A J freaking Dylan. Yeah. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:42.760 I knew they were going to say that. The reason 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.800 I say that I didn't watch a lot of Boston 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.760 College football games. Certainly I didn't see them coming off 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.400 the bus when they got to the stadium. But if 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.280 I was BC, that's the guy want coming off first. Yeah, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.439 I want him on the cameras. I want the other 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.040 team to know we're gonna have this guy and we're 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.880 gonna shove them down your throat for the next you know, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.000 sixty minutes. Now, that's not going to be his role 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.079 right away. But Mike, when you see the way that A. J. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.600 Dillon is built, he's just not like other guys. I mean, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.160 he is thick, he is full in his lower body, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.120 but he is lean in his upper body. There's so 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.199 many different parallels in comparisons you can make. I'm not 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.080 gonna make them right now because that's not fair to 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.079 a second round pick that has yet to carry a 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.679 ball in practice, let alone in a game. But when 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.640 they drafted him last year, and you watch some of 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.600 the things that Larry put together for his Rock reports, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.200 and you get the chance to finally watch some of 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.960 that film from BC, you can see why the Packers 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.400 were so excited about this young man. Oh and then 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.880 by the way, he goes to Indianapolis and he runs 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.200 a four or five three forty. He goes and puts 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:39.880 up all those reps that he did on the bench, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.400 he had, the vertical that he had, what was it 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.559 forty inches? Thirty nine inches? This is just this is 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.600 a guy that is a difference maker. He was a 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.880 guy that you could rely on and so often, Mike, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.960 you think of guys coming out of college, Oh, they've 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.120 touched the ball seven eight hundred times. Is that a 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.040 concern with him? I really don't feel that way because 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.440 you see how he takes care of his body. Jamal 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.559 Williams is phenomenal running back. He has been just a 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.720 model employee here at Green Bay the last three seasons, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.840 but he's not built like that. As a power back, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.440 Dylan brings a different dimension to that running game that 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.920 nobody else possesses. And for that reason, it's the reason 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.640 why all offseason, Mike, you were editing my stories, I 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.320 was saying, this is the most deep backfield that I 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.320 can remember in fifteen sixteen years that Green Bay has had, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.000 just because of the assets that they've invested into it 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.480 and how all these guys can win in different ways. Yeah, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.920 I think Dylan is definitely one that a lot of 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.600 people are gonna be watching. I'm just interested to see 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.800 a two hundred and forty seven pound running back just 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:43.640 what that looks like lining up in the in the backfield. Yeah, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.000 I know, he's he's a specimen for sure. I think 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.400 there's plenty to watch obviously with Jordan's love the first 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.080 round pick at quarterback as well. You know, as we've 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.440 talked about, he's in a really tough spot because the 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.520 quarterback position is so difficult to play. And then yet 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.880 here you come in as a rookie and you don't 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.280 get any snaps during an off season program, you don't 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.200 get any O t s, you don't get any mini 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.600 camp practices. All he's been able to do is try 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.360 to absorb the playbook through meetings and walk throughs to 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.400 this point until he takes the practice field on Saturday. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.880 So just watching how he starts in his first practice 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.200 on Saturday, and then maybe where he is and how 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.320 he looks at the end of these three weeks of 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.160 practices heading into week one, I think I think will 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 be a story. I'll throw one other guy out there, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.000 and I'm cheating a little bit because he's not a rookie. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.840 He's technically a first year player because he played in 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.520 the CFL and was a pretty big star in the CFL. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.680 And I'm talking about receiver Reggie Bagelton. I hope I'm 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:46.440 pronouncing that correctly. Now, as we've talked about with wide receiver, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.480 the Packers didn't draft anybody. The biggest offseason acquisition, Devin Funch, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.480 just decided to opt out due to the coronavirus. So 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.520 Begelton is a guy. He put up some monster numbers 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.880 in the CFL. And you know, yeah, if if the 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.360 was always translated, there'd be a ton of guys coming 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.480 from the CFL to play in the NFL every year. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.960 It doesn't work that way. Just whether or not this 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.280 guy really looks like he belongs in the NFL in what, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.960 as you talked about before, is a very wide open 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.480 receiver competition behind the star Davante Adams. I think that's 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.880 a that's an interesting guy, an intriguing guy to watch. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.120 Here is these next few weeks unfold. And you know 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.440 what I like the most about Bagleton? What intrigues me 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.360 the most, Mike, you can say, yes, okay, sure, yes, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.400 thank you. What intrigues me the most about Bagleton is 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.440 the fact that this isn't a guy that came through 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.200 the NFL system and washed out and then went north. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.800 This is a guy that never got an opportunity in 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.640 the NFL system. And this happens every once in a while, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.200 and it really kind of happened to Darius Shepard last year. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.520 Although he did at least get a try out, Bagelton 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.920 didn't even get that coming out of Lamar. He had 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.960 to go north and show that, you know what, I 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.600 have the skills and everybody missed out on me. So 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.960 when a guy that you've never really considered, that has 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.800 not been on a team, there's no preseason film of him, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.440 goes up to Canada and has the production that he had. 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.840 He he checked every box, Mike. He had the receiving yards, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.119 he had, the big place, he had, the touchdowns, he had, 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.640 the receptions. The guy just dominated at that level. That's 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.639 a guy you want to learn a little bit more about. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:18.399 And I love the fact that he came down and 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.360 accepted the challenge. There has been times Mike over the years, 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.359 and I'm not gonna name names, but there's been guys 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.320 that have gotten some some looks from the NFL and 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.600 they just decide, you know what, I'm comfortable with where 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.760 I'm at in the CFL. The seasons don't really align. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.399 I don't want to ruin what I have here for 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.520 a long shot opportunity to go to the NFL. That's happened. 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.920 Bagelton embraced this challenge. January came around, he was free 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.920 to sign with an NFL team, and he did so. So, yeah, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.840 this is gonna be an uphill battle for him because 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.600 you're looking at a lot of draft picks. You're looking 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.360 at guys like Alan Lazar that are established now. It's 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.440 not really going to be advantageous for him just to 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.040 come out and show right away. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, throw 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.600 me the ball. But as we saw last year, Darius 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.639 Shephard gradually did that, Lazar gradually did that. There are 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.040 guys that can make their way at that position in 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.440 practice to start getting some of those reps. That's gonna 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.880 be the key here. This opening week for Bagleton's gonna 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.639 be huge. I love his mindset, I love his backstory, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.080 and I love the fact that this is a guy 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.399 that despite everything he's been through, still feels like, you 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.840 know what people missed on me, and that's just fine. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.080 I'm ready to show them and prove that I can 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.800 really play in this league. Well, speaking of Canada, all 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.119 throughout one other name as well, and that's the the 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.240 undrafted rookie Mark Antoine de Coy. Now, this is the guy. 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.760 He was drafted a top fifteen pick in the CFL. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.240 He decided to take an undrafted offer from the Packers 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.240 to see if he can make an NFL roster. His 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.359 story is something else and I can't wait to see 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.480 just you know, whether he looks like he belongs out 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.080 there as well. He's Uh, he's gonna be a fun 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.800 one to pay attention to. I want to see how 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.320 fast he runs too. We saw the forty time and 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.600 certainly you did a great job of documenting his story 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.320 and and you know, being overcoming the flu or wherever 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:58.919 he was dealing with to have the performance that he 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.280 did at his pro day uh in Montreal. But you know, 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.560 does that translate to an NFL field now? Six ft three? 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.000 I mean, Mike, there's just Kenny, you know, Kevin King 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.920