1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, 3 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: joined by my trusted colleague Wes Hodkoits. We're coming to 4 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: you from remote locations. Actually I am in the studio 5 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: at twelve sixty five here at lambeau Field West, still 6 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: in the bonus room above his garage. But West. You 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: will be coming here in a couple of days because 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: the Packers will have their first practice of training camp 9 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: on Saturday. So in looking ahead to that, let's just 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: throw it back and forth a little bit in terms 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: of the position battles, the things that you're gonna have 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: your eye on here as training camp begins. Start on 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the offensive side, what are you gonna be watching for? Well, 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot I'm gonna be watching for. But first 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: and foremost, Mike, I have to say I wrote it 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: an Insider inbox for Thursday. We are talking about practice, 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: and I've never been happier about it. I mean, this 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: is It's funny how a lot of times you get 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: to that first preseason game You're like, man, we just 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: got to see a preseason game. I just need to 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: see a practice at this point, I just got to 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: see these guys up close, actually get to appreciate what 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: they are physically and what they can do during a 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: team period or one on one drill. If you're an 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, we are far overdue for being able to 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: see that type of work and seeing exactly where these 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: guys are at. Now, all that being said, offensively, this 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: is just the biggest wide open competition that I can recall. Mike, 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: You've been you know, doing this probably about twice as 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: long as I have now, But in my nine years, 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: I can't think of it as far as the skill positions. 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Just a battle at basically every spot, whether it be 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: tight end, running back, or receiver. Now certainly receivers the 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: one that's going to get the most eyeballs this summer, rightfully, 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: So you want to see improvement there, you need guys 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: to take that next step. Now you bring him the 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: league turner into that competition. Eleven twelve guys that are 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: all gonna be battling this thing out. And then, by 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: the way, you're gonna have two or three spots on 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: that sixteen man practice squad as well that some of 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: those guys that maybe aren't gonna push Davantie Adams for 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: a starting spot. It's it is imperative for them to 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: show enough during these four weeks for them to get 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: that extended look with this team. As Brian Goodkin said 45 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: earlier this week, the practice squad is gonna be as 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: important as it's ever been for the Packers tight end. 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: You have Mercedes Lewis. Everybody knows what he does. He 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: does his job really well. But who's going to be 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: that playmaker that steps up beyond him? You're j Sternberger 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: has received a lot of pub this offseason. Robert tanyan 51 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: kind of the forgotten guy. But you think about it, Mike, 52 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: he made arguably his best catch as a Packer at 53 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: the time in which he got injured last year. And 54 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: then Josiah Deguara, you know, arguably one of the biggest 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: question marks in terms of what he's going to do 56 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: on the field for the Packers and where exactly is 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: gonna line up running back everything, Mike, There's just so 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: many jobs that are gonna be up for grab, so 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: many roles that need to be carved out, and I 60 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: can't remember a time in which it's just been this 61 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: wide open for who are going to be those eleven 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: people that start. When you look at that game against 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: Minnesota next month. Yeah, it is interesting when you look 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: at the skill positions for the Packers because it does 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: seem rather clear who the number one guy is at 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: each position. You have Davante Adams, you have Aaron Jones, 67 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: and in terms of experience and longevity, you have Marcedes 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Lewis at tight end. But at those three positions, starting 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: with the number two spot, at all of those, in 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: all of those areas, there's some uncertainty. You don't really 71 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: know exactly how this is going to shake out. Now. 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I would think Alan Lazard would have the inside track 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: to the number two receiver spot behind Adams. You would 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: think Jamal Williams would stay the number two running back 75 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: as he's been behind Aaron Jones. But you have a 76 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: j Dillon, a young second round draft pick, being brought 77 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: in without the offseason, the normal off season that rookies have. 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: How quickly can you get a rookie up to speed 79 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and potentially contributing in this offense. Same goes that tight 80 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: end with Josiah Deguire. As you mentioned, you have Ja Sternberg, 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Robert Tanyan, but they didn't draft Iguire to sit on 82 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: the bench, so but he you know, these rookies, they 83 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: need some time to get to get into things. So 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: are the rookies going to make a bigger impact, say, 85 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: come November and December potentially, rather than in September and October. 86 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: We just don't know how that's going to shake itself out. Now. 87 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: The other thing I will say, too, is there's going 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: to be a lot of interest on the Packers offensive line, 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: at least certainly in the early days of training camp, 90 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: because Matt Lafleur, in his media sessions throughout the off 91 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: season and in these early stages of camp, he has 92 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: not committed to a starting five. He hasn't gone on 93 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: record saying, okay, Brian Blague has gone, Rick Wagner has 94 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: been signed and he's stepping in at right tackle, and 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: everything else is staying the same. He hasn't said that. Now. 96 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: It could happen that way, and that would be the 97 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: most seamles this way to transition from twenty nineteen to 98 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: twenty at this point, but we really don't know. Is 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Billy Turner going to compete with Rick Wagner at right tackle? 100 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: Is Lane Taylor going to compete for a starting spot 101 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: at guard, possibly with Billy Turner. So there are some 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: questions there in terms of exactly what the plans are 103 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: for the coaching staff and how much competition there will 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: be at certain spots. I think it is safe to 105 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: say David Baktier will be at left tackle, Elton Jenkins 106 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: will be at left guard, and Corey Lindsley will be 107 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: at center. But the right side of that offensive line, 108 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: it's still kind of wait and see for now. Yeah, 109 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: And if you remember, Mike, this is exactly what mc 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: lafleur did last season. Last summer with training camp, a 111 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: lot of questions were asked about, Okay, is Lane Taylor 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: gonna be your starting left guard, and he left it open. 113 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: He was gonna give Elton Jenkins an opportunity to compete 114 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: for that spot, and even through training camp and even 115 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: in a little bit into the regular season, was still 116 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: giving him some reps there. And then obviously disaster strikes 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: and you have Lane end up airing his biceps and 118 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: then next thing you know, Jenkins is starting four teen games. 119 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: So things can turn on a dime on you. The 120 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: one thing I think is really interesting about this group 121 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: the Packers have put together on offense, though, is it 122 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: is arguably the deepest that I can remember them being 123 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: at a lot of these positions. Uh, it isn't just Okay, 124 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. Now that's a 125 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: really good trio to have, but there were some years 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: there where if one of those guys went down, you 127 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: really didn't know who the next guy was gonna be 128 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: to slide in there. Uh, there's a lot of interchangeability 129 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: right now with these parts. You look at the tight ends, 130 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: they're built all the very similarly. So where this thing 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: ends up shuffling out, I don't know if it's going 132 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: to be your typical Okay, well you know you're gonna 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: start this tight end and he's gonna play fourty or 134 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: fifty snaps. It could be a lot different. You could 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: see these guys get twenty here, twenty there, depending on 136 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: who earns the playing time. And then by the way, 137 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: you get a guy like John Lovett now coming in, 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: maybe they still keep a fullback. Maybe they have that 139 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: position in that back field as well. So many different 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: things that be because we haven't seen any offseason program practices, 141 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: because we haven't seen any training camp practices. At the 142 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: point that you and I are taping this, you just 143 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: really don't know. All you know is if I'm Matt 144 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: Laflour and I'm looking at that room and I'm getting 145 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: ready for Saturday mornings practice, I am excited to see 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: all these guys finally get to work and see who 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: really starts to shine. Yeah, and I think shifting gears 148 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball, I don't know 149 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: if there's quite as much that needs to shake out 150 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: in terms of the guys we're going to see on 151 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: the field regularly in this defense. We've talked a lot 152 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: about how Rashaan Gary is certainly going to have a 153 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: larger role at outside linebacker, the first round pick from 154 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: a year ago, and how he the snaps that he 155 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: gets may um, you know, lighten the workload for the 156 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Smiths at those outside linebacker spots, or maybe Mike Patton 157 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: is going to have some packages where all three of 158 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: those guys are on the field at the same time. 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things we will see as 160 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: camp in the early stages of the of the stages 161 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: of the regular season roll along. In the secondary, I 162 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear that jayro Alexander the Kevin King 163 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: and probably Channon Sullivan as your number three. Those are 164 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: your top cornerbacks Adrian Amos, Darnell Savage or your top 165 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: two safeties. I don't you know, barring an injury or 166 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: something unexpected, I don't necessarily see any of that changing. 167 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: We'll see at cornerback how things uh um pan out 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: between Josh Jackson Kedar Holman, because you know, the Packers 169 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: are gonna want to have five six cornerbacks on this roster, 170 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: certainly when it's all said and done. To head into 171 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: Week one, I think the thing that everybody's gonna be 172 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: watching on the defensive side of the ball is what 173 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: is happening at the inside linebacker spot. Christian Kirksey is in, 174 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: Blake Martinez obviously is out. That seems to be a 175 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: rather um simple interchange, I guess. But then who is 176 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: the guy that's going to be next to Christian Kirksey 177 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: in certain packages. There's Orn Burke's, there's Curtis Bolton, there's 178 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: the new draft pick Kamal martin Um, there's Ty Summers, 179 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: a seventh round draft pick from a year ago. So 180 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of competition there for that other inside 181 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: linebacker spot. But then also, what does Mike Petton want 182 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: to do with packages? Does he want to have an 183 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: extra defensive back playing that inside linebacker spot in sort 184 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: of that that dime look that he likes to go with. 185 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that's Will Redman as the third safety, that kind 186 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: of thing, Raven Green. So though that's the spot, I 187 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: think that everybody's gonna have their eye on on the 188 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, whereas a lot of the 189 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: other spots on defense there doesn't seem to have been 190 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: you know, a whole lot of question marks as to 191 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: how the Packers are gonna line up. Yeah, it's funny. 192 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: It's almost like the additive inverse of the offense, where 193 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: you look at the defense and you know you're gonna 194 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: have the Smith's playing over seventy of the playing time, 195 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: even if they do cut their snaps a little bit 196 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: this year. You know, Kenny Clark is gonna be playing 197 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: a lot. Dean Lawrie, they paid him last year to 198 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: be a starter. Your boundary corners, your back safeties. So 199 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: much of that stuff is solidified right now going into 200 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: this camp. But it's those auxiliary pieces. It's the depth, 201 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: it's the defensive line rotation, and as you pointed out, 202 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: what I would consider to be that a eleventh man 203 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: on defense, what do you do it inside linebacker? You know, 204 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: you go back to that opener last year, Mike Raven 205 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: Green had a heck of a ball game, and then 206 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: the following week he ends up aggravating that ankle inch 207 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: injury again doesn't play the rest of the season. So 208 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: seeing exactly what you have in Green is probably gonna 209 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: be the biggest indicator of how much we see that 210 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: hybrid safety on the field. Will Redmond can play that 211 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: position as well, but as you saw last year when 212 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Redmond had to go in, it was Adrian Amos moving 213 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: down into the box, and I think, especially in the 214 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: second half of the season, while it was a very 215 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: selfless move from Amos, they didn't sign him to be 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: a hybrid linebacker. They signed him to be a strong safety, 217 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: to be that that commander on the back end, and 218 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: they want to keep him in that role, especially if 219 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: they end up being a little bit more flexible with 220 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: how they used Darnell Savage. Now in year two, that's 221 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: a guy that could potentially move into the box and 222 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: he maybe even be a slot corner. Here and there. 223 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: All those things have to be disfigured out and and 224 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: get a certain level of comfort in this training camp 225 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: so that Mike pett can realize, Okay, how much do 226 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: I want to get Rashawn Gary on the field? How 227 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: much can we trust Chandon Sullivan to be that nickel cornerback? 228 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: Where are we going to shuffle out next to Christian Kirksey. 229 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Who's gonna be that guy? You know? Is it an 230 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: inside linebacker? Is it a strong safety? Those are the 231 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: type of things that I think over these next three, 232 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: four or five weeks, the Packers have to get a 233 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: real solid feeling for what they have because Mike, let's 234 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: be honest, this is the year for the Packers defense. Offensively, 235 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: you have Aaron Rodgers, you got Davante Adams, you gotta 236 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, you have Aaron Jones. You have all these 237 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: guys that can make plays. But defensively, they've built this 238 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: thing to be a team that can dominate on that 239 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: side of the ball. They want to be a top 240 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: ten defense. They want to take the ball away. They 241 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: want to be someone that a offense fears every time 242 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: they play them. They're coming into their own They're in 243 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: their prime. And this is the year to do it. Yeah. Well, 244 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: the other interesting thing, of course about this training camp 245 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: usually at this point you and I have watched a 246 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: handful of O t A practices, We've seen a rookie 247 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: mini camp, we've seen a full squad mini camp, and 248 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: all of these new faces in the locker room are 249 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: guys that we've seen him at least run around in 250 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: shorts and helmets on the field. So you and I 251 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: have been asked a lot in insider inbox. Okay, which 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: rookie are you most looking forward to seeing for the 253 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: first time, because here we are the middle of August 254 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen these guys at all yet. So 255 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: the Packers currently, I believe it's twenty two rookies on 256 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: the roster, nine draft picks, thirteen undrafted rookies. Is there 257 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: one guy that really is the one that you're most 258 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: interested in seeing out there on the field in a 259 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Packer uniform for the first time? A J freaking Dylan. Yeah. 260 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: I knew they were going to say that. The reason 261 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: I say that I didn't watch a lot of Boston 262 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: College football games. Certainly I didn't see them coming off 263 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: the bus when they got to the stadium. But if 264 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: I was BC, that's the guy want coming off first. Yeah, 265 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: I want him on the cameras. I want the other 266 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: team to know we're gonna have this guy and we're 267 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: gonna shove them down your throat for the next you know, 268 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Now, that's not going to be his role 269 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: right away. But Mike, when you see the way that A. J. 270 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: Dillon is built, he's just not like other guys. I mean, 271 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: he is thick, he is full in his lower body, 272 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: but he is lean in his upper body. There's so 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: many different parallels in comparisons you can make. I'm not 274 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna make them right now because that's not fair to 275 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: a second round pick that has yet to carry a 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: ball in practice, let alone in a game. But when 277 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: they drafted him last year, and you watch some of 278 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: the things that Larry put together for his Rock reports, 279 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: and you get the chance to finally watch some of 280 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: that film from BC, you can see why the Packers 281 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: were so excited about this young man. Oh and then 282 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: by the way, he goes to Indianapolis and he runs 283 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: a four or five three forty. He goes and puts 284 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: up all those reps that he did on the bench, 285 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: he had, the vertical that he had, what was it 286 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: forty inches? Thirty nine inches? This is just this is 287 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: a guy that is a difference maker. He was a 288 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: guy that you could rely on and so often, Mike, 289 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: you think of guys coming out of college, Oh, they've 290 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: touched the ball seven eight hundred times. Is that a 291 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: concern with him? I really don't feel that way because 292 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: you see how he takes care of his body. Jamal 293 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: Williams is phenomenal running back. He has been just a 294 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: model employee here at Green Bay the last three seasons, 295 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: but he's not built like that. As a power back, 296 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Dylan brings a different dimension to that running game that 297 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: nobody else possesses. And for that reason, it's the reason 298 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: why all offseason, Mike, you were editing my stories, I 299 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: was saying, this is the most deep backfield that I 300 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: can remember in fifteen sixteen years that Green Bay has had, 301 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: just because of the assets that they've invested into it 302 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: and how all these guys can win in different ways. Yeah, 303 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: I think Dylan is definitely one that a lot of 304 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: people are gonna be watching. I'm just interested to see 305 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty seven pound running back just 306 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: what that looks like lining up in the in the backfield. Yeah, 307 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: I know, he's he's a specimen for sure. I think 308 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: there's plenty to watch obviously with Jordan's love the first 309 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: round pick at quarterback as well. You know, as we've 310 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: talked about, he's in a really tough spot because the 311 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: quarterback position is so difficult to play. And then yet 312 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: here you come in as a rookie and you don't 313 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: get any snaps during an off season program, you don't 314 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: get any O t s, you don't get any mini 315 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: camp practices. All he's been able to do is try 316 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: to absorb the playbook through meetings and walk throughs to 317 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: this point until he takes the practice field on Saturday. 318 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: So just watching how he starts in his first practice 319 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: on Saturday, and then maybe where he is and how 320 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: he looks at the end of these three weeks of 321 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: practices heading into week one, I think I think will 322 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: be a story. I'll throw one other guy out there, 323 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm cheating a little bit because he's not a rookie. 324 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: He's technically a first year player because he played in 325 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: the CFL and was a pretty big star in the CFL. 326 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about receiver Reggie Bagelton. I hope I'm 327 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: pronouncing that correctly. Now, as we've talked about with wide receiver, 328 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: the Packers didn't draft anybody. The biggest offseason acquisition, Devin Funch, 329 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: just decided to opt out due to the coronavirus. So 330 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Begelton is a guy. He put up some monster numbers 331 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: in the CFL. And you know, yeah, if if the 332 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: was always translated, there'd be a ton of guys coming 333 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: from the CFL to play in the NFL every year. 334 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. Just whether or not this 335 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: guy really looks like he belongs in the NFL in what, 336 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: as you talked about before, is a very wide open 337 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: receiver competition behind the star Davante Adams. I think that's 338 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: a that's an interesting guy, an intriguing guy to watch. 339 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: Here is these next few weeks unfold. And you know 340 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: what I like the most about Bagleton? What intrigues me 341 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: the most, Mike, you can say, yes, okay, sure, yes, 342 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: thank you. What intrigues me the most about Bagleton is 343 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: the fact that this isn't a guy that came through 344 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: the NFL system and washed out and then went north. 345 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: This is a guy that never got an opportunity in 346 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: the NFL system. And this happens every once in a while, 347 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: and it really kind of happened to Darius Shepard last year. 348 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Although he did at least get a try out, Bagelton 349 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: didn't even get that coming out of Lamar. He had 350 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: to go north and show that, you know what, I 351 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: have the skills and everybody missed out on me. So 352 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: when a guy that you've never really considered, that has 353 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: not been on a team, there's no preseason film of him, 354 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: goes up to Canada and has the production that he had. 355 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: He he checked every box, Mike. He had the receiving yards, 356 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: he had, the big place, he had, the touchdowns, he had, 357 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: the receptions. The guy just dominated at that level. That's 358 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: a guy you want to learn a little bit more about. 359 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: And I love the fact that he came down and 360 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: accepted the challenge. There has been times Mike over the years, 361 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna name names, but there's been guys 362 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: that have gotten some some looks from the NFL and 363 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: they just decide, you know what, I'm comfortable with where 364 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm at in the CFL. The seasons don't really align. 365 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin what I have here for 366 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: a long shot opportunity to go to the NFL. That's happened. 367 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: Bagelton embraced this challenge. January came around, he was free 368 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: to sign with an NFL team, and he did so. So, yeah, 369 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: this is gonna be an uphill battle for him because 370 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at a lot of draft picks. You're looking 371 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: at guys like Alan Lazar that are established now. It's 372 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: not really going to be advantageous for him just to 373 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: come out and show right away. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, throw 374 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: me the ball. But as we saw last year, Darius 375 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: Shephard gradually did that, Lazar gradually did that. There are 376 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: guys that can make their way at that position in 377 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: practice to start getting some of those reps. That's gonna 378 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: be the key here. This opening week for Bagleton's gonna 379 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: be huge. I love his mindset, I love his backstory, 380 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: and I love the fact that this is a guy 381 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: that despite everything he's been through, still feels like, you 382 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: know what people missed on me, and that's just fine. 383 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm ready to show them and prove that I can 384 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: really play in this league. Well, speaking of Canada, all 385 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: throughout one other name as well, and that's the the 386 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie Mark Antoine de Coy. Now, this is the guy. 387 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: He was drafted a top fifteen pick in the CFL. 388 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: He decided to take an undrafted offer from the Packers 389 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: to see if he can make an NFL roster. His 390 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: story is something else and I can't wait to see 391 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: just you know, whether he looks like he belongs out 392 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: there as well. He's Uh, he's gonna be a fun 393 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: one to pay attention to. I want to see how 394 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: fast he runs too. We saw the forty time and 395 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: certainly you did a great job of documenting his story 396 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: and and you know, being overcoming the flu or wherever 397 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: he was dealing with to have the performance that he 398 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: did at his pro day uh in Montreal. But you know, 399 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: does that translate to an NFL field now? Six ft three? 400 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Mike, there's just Kenny, you know, Kevin King 401 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: is one of them that there's just God only made 402 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: so many of those guys that can be six three six, 403 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: you know six too and run that fast and be 404 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: that fluid with their hips. Uh d Koa has that so, 405 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: uh it's gonna be again a wake up call competing 406 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: at this level. Uh, there's just there's just a huge 407 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: difference between playing in the you know, Canadian college system 408 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: and then coming down to the States. But they have 409 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: time with this guy, and I think it's gonna be 410 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: really exciting. He's a little bit older. But at the 411 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: same time, Mike, we've seen it time and time again. 412 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: If guys can pick up the concepts, they aren't that 413 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: far away from being able to really show that they 414 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: can they can do something. Yeah, and this guy, Dakoy, 415 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: he was he was running back interceptions for touchdowns in 416 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: the college Canadian ranks, like you know, they were going 417 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: out of style. So he he really does have quite 418 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: a story. It'll be it'll be fun here these first 419 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: few days. And let's be honest about one other thing, Mike, 420 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: we are all blind to the undrafted rookies right now. 421 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: Even to some extent the Bagelton's of the world that 422 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: came into wouldn't even recognize them if they walk past 423 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: me in the parking lot. I have no idea who 424 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: any of these guys are. Yeah, I mean I was 425 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: looking at Evan Siegel's photo gallery of the head shots. 426 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: I didn't recognize a lot of these guys. So But 427 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: the thing is is that there's been times, either whether 428 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: it be through the offseason program or the first week 429 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: of training camp, guys start to show up a little bit, 430 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: you start to notice them a little bit. Uh so 431 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: yeah again, much like Bagelton, seeing what these undrafted rookies 432 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: can do, how they can apply everything they learned during 433 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: this virtual program to an actual practice setting, especially some 434 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: of that post practice stuff that Matt Floor has been 435 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: talking about wanting to do with the younger guys. It's 436 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: all gonna be critical. Every snap matters, and there has 437 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: never been a training camp like this. There's never been 438 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: practices like this. The stakes are so high. Well, it 439 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: is finally here Weston. We are almost headed out to 440 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: the practice field. So with that we will call it 441 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: a rap on this edition of Packers on Scripted. Be 442 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 443 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: and all the goings on at training camp on Packers 444 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: dot com. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you for 445 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: tuning in everybody. We'll see you next time. Mm hmm.