Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast, Well, always.
Speaker 2: Cherish the young and sweaty hand from the Chris Wesley
Speaker 2: podcast studio, It's around the NFL. I am Dan hansis
Speaker 2: got heroes here, Greg Rosendal, Mark Sessler on this very
Speaker 2: special week on the NFL calendar. It's week twelve, but
Speaker 2: it's also here's the language. The John Madden Thanksgiving Commemoration.
Speaker 3: What's up, guys, also known as Thanksgiving? Which is fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's sets. The secondary title would be thinking, oh.
Speaker 2: NFL now has enough power due to the ratings and
Speaker 2: the billions that Thanksgiving has been officially renamed.
Speaker 3: I'm with it.
Speaker 5: I mean, if there's one person that there's one person
Speaker 5: that I want to be reminded of every year, it's
Speaker 5: John Madden.
Speaker 6: He can just be in the New Love Jo saying
Speaker 6: I like that angle of it. Greg we all you
Speaker 6: know grew up with John Madden. I don't disagree that
Speaker 6: he deserves to be recognized. But they then for them
Speaker 6: to literally rename Thanksgiving. That flies in the face of
Speaker 6: a larger population fall.
Speaker 3: That's just the football production value.
Speaker 2: Madden's first Thanksgiving game for the record, and maybe some people,
Speaker 2: the younger listeners don't know John Madden.
Speaker 4: It's a video game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They a Hall of Fame a player and then a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach with the Raiders. Retired early and
Speaker 2: then it got the bug to stay in the game
Speaker 2: and ended up becoming I think, undoubtedly like the most
Speaker 2: famous NFL announcer ever, launched a video game franchise that
Speaker 2: became the biggest video game franchise ever, and he passed away.
Speaker 2: I believe it was it last year or the year before,
Speaker 2: and now we celebrate Madden and we celebrate his contribution
Speaker 2: to the game because he kind of was Americana personified,
Speaker 2: especially this time of year. And his last Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 2: game as a commentator was way back in two thousand
Speaker 2: and one.
Speaker 3: But it just goes to show you, uh, what kind
Speaker 3: of connection he had.
Speaker 6: Well, also, there's no him without Pat Summer all as well.
Speaker 6: It's like the two of them kind of were this
Speaker 6: incredible duo. And I do wonder what it would be
Speaker 6: like if if John Madden were dropped In today's world,
Speaker 6: we're like half of the conversation is about like E
Speaker 6: P A and d V O A.
Speaker 3: Like he was.
Speaker 6: He was from a time where that you don't you
Speaker 6: just talking about what you're seeing on the field right now,
Speaker 6: and like how big the guy's legs are, and like
Speaker 6: they're smashing into each other and you're eating turkey.
Speaker 3: Kind of miss that. I kind of miss it, but
Speaker 3: you're not. No, you're not.
Speaker 4: It's it's great what we have now. It's better, so
Speaker 4: much better.
Speaker 3: I mean he I I hear you. By man.
Speaker 5: He he broke it down x as a O style. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Mark over simplified it. He took a shot.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, like, like I think I think he's.
Speaker 5: Very romo, Like I think, I mean, Romo is not
Speaker 5: John Madden, and he's definitely not gonna be like writing
Speaker 5: a bunch of number one best selling books like Madden did,
Speaker 5: which another career. Yeah, that's right. Uh they were romance novels.
Speaker 5: They kind of remind me that very steamy one of
Speaker 5: the Eagles two feet the kind of kind of similar
Speaker 5: to me the way they like the game.
Speaker 2: Speaking of historical figures, I gotta I gotta bring this up, Mark,
Speaker 2: because we've long had a connect.
Speaker 6: By now, I'm like, I got the John Madden thing wrong,
Speaker 6: Like Jula, We've moved on.
Speaker 5: Give me, let me do a thousand let's do you
Speaker 5: have sixteen games to get through.
Speaker 3: I think it's the only time we'll ever do that.
Speaker 3: Let's nail this historical figure out.
Speaker 7: Okay, we choose to go to the moon and dis
Speaker 7: decay and do the other things, not because they are easy,
Speaker 7: but because they are hard, because that goal will serve
Speaker 7: to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills,
Speaker 7: because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept.
Speaker 7: One we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend
Speaker 7: to win.
Speaker 3: And the others too.
Speaker 2: JFK spitting bars in a big spot in an address
Speaker 2: at Rice University on September twelfth, nineteen sixty two. Today's
Speaker 2: November twenty second, twenty twenty three. It has been sixty
Speaker 2: years since John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Like coming
Speaker 2: up up to the hour, almost sixty years, and Mark,
Speaker 2: I've always been and this kind of talks about the
Speaker 2: pull of Kennedy that even though this is a man
Speaker 2: that's been gone sixty years when we were growing up,
Speaker 2: like he was a major figure and someone you knew
Speaker 2: about the Oliver Stone film. Of course, Yeah, in ninety three,
Speaker 2: around the thirtieth anniversary was a major part of our
Speaker 2: lives growing up.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think he's a figure of immense historical worth. And
Speaker 2: you Mark, we have talked about him for years and
Speaker 2: years since we've known each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if the listeners know this, but
Speaker 3: John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy was such a fascination and the details around his
Speaker 2: tragic death that you almost wrote a book or started
Speaker 2: writing a book about it.
Speaker 6: I went, I transferred colleges multiple times, and my third
Speaker 6: transfer was to American University in DC, and I went
Speaker 6: there under the guise of I'm going to research this
Speaker 6: in the assassination left and right. But it was also
Speaker 6: it was nineteen ninety three when I went and did that,
Speaker 6: So was the thirty year anniversary, and about four hundred
Speaker 6: and six books came out on the topic, and it
Speaker 6: was just on the heels of the Oliver Stone film.
Speaker 6: So it was like, did not pick the right spot?
Speaker 6: But I've always thought he was Did.
Speaker 3: You actually start it? Yeah, but it's still going to research. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's still going strong, it is.
Speaker 6: But I think also I was in college and I
Speaker 6: got diverted, you know, got like a founded a girlfriend
Speaker 6: down the hallway and like JFK assassination to go hard
Speaker 6: right out of my life.
Speaker 5: That's an unfinished work. I mean, it's still it's still popping.
Speaker 5: They got they got a new JFK pod on the
Speaker 5: old I Heart radio network. It did Rob Ryder and
Speaker 5: it's still popping. To do better than popping, I think
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 3: It's on our heel. We need home and home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, And by the way, that was Kennedy,
Speaker 2: you know, getting the US formerly into the space race.
Speaker 2: You wanted to send a man to the moon and
Speaker 2: bring him home safely by nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3: He was killed in sixty three.
Speaker 2: But we got there in July sixty nine, major sliding
Speaker 2: doors moment.
Speaker 3: The history of this country is his death.
Speaker 4: And his brothers and mlk's and Malcolm X's.
Speaker 3: And say say what you wanna about LBJ.
Speaker 2: But he did get the Civil Rights Bill across the
Speaker 2: finish line at sixty four, which was a Kennedy mandate
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: He did some other things too that would have been
Speaker 4: in the book.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. Here we go, my
Speaker 2: son Jack. One of the reasons they name that the
Speaker 2: first Irish Catholic president as well.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked I didn't know that the best. All right,
Speaker 2: here we go. Let's get into it. Let's start with
Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving games, because that's how John Madden would have
Speaker 2: wanted it. The early game is the green Bay Packers
Speaker 2: against of course, the Detroit Lions. It is the tradition
Speaker 2: that's gone back decades now for the NFL, and we
Speaker 2: have a situation that's very different these days because the
Speaker 2: Lions are now a hot ticket and that place is
Speaker 2: gonna be on fire, Mark Sessler, because the Lions are
Speaker 2: eight and two, they're on a three game winning streak,
Speaker 2: and they get the Packers and this is good for
Speaker 2: us the football fans coming off a nice one of
Speaker 2: their own, a three point win over the Chargers that
Speaker 2: kept them in the NFC playoff race.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a gotta have a game for
Speaker 3: Green Bay.
Speaker 2: And Greg, you've been talking about it, and I've noticed it,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you have as well. Mark, that Jordan
Speaker 2: Love is starting to figure some things out the last
Speaker 2: few weeks. Maybe we got a quirker here in the
Speaker 2: NFC North.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think like you're coming off of a performance.
Speaker 6: Jordan Love's probably best of the year against the Chargers defense,
Speaker 6: so you've got to take that into account. But you know,
Speaker 6: three hundred plus yards effective as a deep thrower.
Speaker 4: I think they've got an interesting cast.
Speaker 6: Of wide receivers who have started to gel, so there
Speaker 6: is some hope. The thing about this game, though, that
Speaker 6: pops out for me more anything else. They have like
Speaker 6: seventeen players the Packers on their injury report. Now they're
Speaker 6: in varying states of up and down this but Aaron
Speaker 6: Jones obviously not going to be playing with that knee injury.
Speaker 6: Aj Dillon, their backup running back, is on the injury report.
Speaker 6: Emmanuel Wilson, the third running back, is on the injury report.
Speaker 3: Luke Musgrave was hospitalized.
Speaker 6: And will not be playing, and Jayden reied Doantavian Wicks.
Speaker 6: I mean, a lot of their offense is banged up,
Speaker 6: and I think you'd need to be fully healthy and
Speaker 6: completely on your on your act to have a chance
Speaker 6: against the Detroit team that's gonna be extremely amped up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Detroit's been pretty disappointing though over the last month, just
Speaker 5: in terms of their defense. They they've been one of
Speaker 5: the worst defenses in the league since they showed up
Speaker 5: in Baltimore. I think the book is kind of out
Speaker 5: that you just throw against them, Just throw, throw, throw, throw.
Speaker 5: They're they're not good at cornerback. They don't really have
Speaker 5: a great pass rush. I know Hutchinson's having a good year.
Speaker 5: Ali mcmill's having a good year, but it's a reminder
Speaker 5: you actually need more than two players and just consistency.
Speaker 5: You could look at any metric you want. They're one
Speaker 5: of the two or three worst defense in the league
Speaker 5: SIN in the last four or five weeks, and you're
Speaker 5: going up against the Packers passing attack that when you
Speaker 5: can protect love weirdly, Dan, Yeah, they have more plays
Speaker 5: over thirty yards than any team in the NFL. Doesn't
Speaker 5: that kind of shock you. Some of them are schemed
Speaker 5: up and it's like thirties of weird cutoff. There's actually
Speaker 5: not that many for any team, but still the Packers
Speaker 5: hit on some big plays. I could see a lot
Speaker 5: of points. I think this will be fun. I think
Speaker 5: the lines are favored by too much. It's seven and
Speaker 5: a half.
Speaker 2: In this Yeah, I mean you heard it made some
Speaker 2: news this week. Tom Brady talking about seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: a level of mediocrity in the games he's watching maybe
Speaker 2: that speaks to that a little bit, like if the
Speaker 2: Packers are the team that's kind of leading the charge
Speaker 2: in terms of big plays. And I just we just
Speaker 2: finished watching a game on Monday night where you know,
Speaker 2: Christian where Patrick mahomes him airing it out now is
Speaker 2: like a seven yard game. But that's the reason why
Speaker 2: it's hard to do. It's hard to hit on big plays.
Speaker 2: And I think it does. Perhaps Greg hit on that
Speaker 2: there is a lot of potential here both with the
Speaker 2: quarterback and some of the playmakers, And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you hit on it there.
Speaker 3: That Detroit is the better team.
Speaker 2: Detroit is at home, Detroit is going to that building
Speaker 2: is going to be rocking.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see. I wish Creed was playing.
Speaker 2: Speaking of anniversaries, it's like the twentieth anniversary of the
Speaker 2: Creed at halftime show gotten away from that, the bald
Speaker 2: guy with a silver painted face came down from the
Speaker 2: rafters with.
Speaker 3: This that was in Dallas. Oh yeah, that's right. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Think how big of a deal though it would be.
Speaker 5: If they actually did that, people would love it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it'd be amazing. And now they think about it. Yes,
Speaker 2: Scott's stapp was wearing. I don't know, like it was
Speaker 2: like a Tony Romo jersey or whatever it would have
Speaker 2: been back then. Anyway, Yeah, the defensive struggles with Detroit.
Speaker 2: Maybe Jordan Love does have another big game here and
Speaker 2: this one goes down to the wire, but I just
Speaker 2: don't see the lines losing it.
Speaker 3: Maybe we get a nice shootout with a double thirty Burger.
Speaker 6: I think it'd be stunning if they lost to Home
Speaker 6: on Thanksgiving. I really like what Jamiir Gibbs has been
Speaker 6: over the last month and the pairing of him. It's
Speaker 6: not like it's him where Dave David Montgomery. The two
Speaker 6: of them together work really well. Green Bay is giving
Speaker 6: up the fifth most rushing yards in the league.
Speaker 3: You can run on them.
Speaker 4: Their defense isn't special either.
Speaker 6: And I don't really care about what happened to Jared
Speaker 6: Goff last week. I think in general, are sample size
Speaker 6: of Jared Goff over the last seventeen games tells us
Speaker 6: the story of an effective, efficient quarterback, And especially at home.
Speaker 6: He has been lights out at home and I just like,
Speaker 6: it's like, how do you come in and not?
Speaker 3: I I kind of see a romp.
Speaker 2: To be honest, he's not going to turtleshell after not
Speaker 2: in this that's not really who.
Speaker 3: Did in that game.
Speaker 5: I think that running the attack and they've even doubt
Speaker 5: the snaps now where gibbson Montgomery you're splitting might be
Speaker 5: the very best in football, and they're often it's great,
Speaker 5: but it's especially great run blocking. So I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I think this is a perfect way to start. I
Speaker 5: think we could get big time scores.
Speaker 3: Thirty eight, thirty one. Let's go, let's do it.
Speaker 6: I have one prophecy, you know, like aunt Beatrice whoever's
Speaker 6: watching this game, but it is not a big football
Speaker 6: fan necessarily, but it's on and you're stum.
Speaker 3: We got to get Beatris over early.
Speaker 6: Well, she's already sleeping over back. And before Beatrice alreadys
Speaker 6: she flew inalhere you sleep. I'm just saying she's an
Speaker 6: old she would be a matronly older aunt. It's not
Speaker 6: my aunt, I'm saying, but this is actually a football
Speaker 6: Someone had to ask the question. I am not really,
Speaker 6: I'm saying the archetypal and Beatrice well come out of
Speaker 6: this game around twelve thirty Eastern with a secret and
Speaker 6: dangerous man crush on Sam Laporta, who win the game
Speaker 6: for the Lions.
Speaker 3: OK, very nice call, I think you're gonna say.
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell also could be a favorite of the ant.
Speaker 3: Cra Oh he's too much man for me.
Speaker 2: The Lions are playing their eighty fourth game on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: by the way, that is.
Speaker 3: The most all time.
Speaker 2: And wow, they are something crazy like sixteen and four
Speaker 2: in their last twenty games overall dating back to last year.
Speaker 3: So the Lions are a roll in. Let's move on.
Speaker 3: We gotta keep it on.
Speaker 2: We got so many games did today, So we're gonna
Speaker 2: hit the middle game. And it's always the Cowboys. And
Speaker 2: yes it was Scott's stap. Can we find out Eric
Speaker 2: behind the glass? Scott's stap Thanksgiving two thousand and one?
Speaker 2: Whose jersey he was wearing? I might have been DaMarcus Ware.
Speaker 2: This is very important to find out, all right. The
Speaker 2: Washington Commanders four and seven, third place in the NFC East,
Speaker 2: travel to Dallas to face the seven and three boys.
Speaker 3: Greg I the Commanders, they're going in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: And Howell had a miserable game against the Giants, and
Speaker 2: now you're sending him to Dallas.
Speaker 3: Where again Dallas, who's you know?
Speaker 2: It's a very good team with an opportunistic defense playing
Speaker 2: at home. I don't want to count out Howel because
Speaker 2: he's really had a nice season on balance, but he's
Speaker 2: in the danger zone. I think here when it comes
Speaker 2: to turnovers, that could crush Washington.
Speaker 5: Well, especially because when you look at the schedule he's faced.
Speaker 5: You know, according to football outsiders, he's faced the easiest
Speaker 5: schedule of opposing quarterbacks so far this year, and now
Speaker 5: it's going to get tough that he has a bunch
Speaker 5: of tough matchups on the schedule, including I believe it's
Speaker 5: two against the Cowboys, and so you hope it's the
Speaker 5: good Howel because again, this could be a bit of
Speaker 5: a score fest. I love the Commanders when they're trailing
Speaker 5: in games because they will keep throwing and throwing and throwing.
Speaker 3: I also thought we missed it on the show.
Speaker 5: Is interesting that it was nice that Jerry Jones finally
Speaker 5: announce Jimmy.
Speaker 3: Johnson going to the hall, you know, the ring of ns.
Speaker 3: You want to make a big dai.
Speaker 5: He could have done it on Thanksgiving when this is
Speaker 5: This and the Lions game are the two most watch
Speaker 5: games of the entire season years.
Speaker 2: Just think how much bad blood there must have been
Speaker 2: for Jimmy Jimmy Johnson, one of the most charismatic successful
Speaker 2: figures in the history of that team.
Speaker 3: It's taking thirty years to get him into the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're placing with Barry Switzer.
Speaker 3: Ego.
Speaker 5: Ego is a problem. Who wants the credit is a problem.
Speaker 5: This way, we need to don't do this. Craft in
Speaker 5: Belichick was we don't got thirty years. We don't have
Speaker 5: thirty years to waste. Well Belichick, well crafts, you know,
Speaker 5: or craft. But I'm Strafts in his eighties right now.
Speaker 5: Let's see if Tony Pollard can pick it up here.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys are good at everything.
Speaker 5: They're twenty second though in rushing, and this is against
Speaker 5: a good run defense. This is a team you attack
Speaker 5: normally through the air. Washington, they're actually a pretty good
Speaker 5: stop in the run.
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you, Eric. Of course it was a
Speaker 3: number eleven.
Speaker 2: Staff Jersey was a self personalized whole nobody probably like
Speaker 2: some Biblical.
Speaker 4: Would have to have been a quarterback back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how about Dron Bland, by the way, because
Speaker 2: when when they lost Digs in the secondary, it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a crushing blow for Dallas' defense, but
Speaker 2: Bland has become that guy. I feel like there's always
Speaker 2: one guy in the secondary somewhere in the league every
Speaker 2: year that just has that special interception season. But he's
Speaker 2: taking the ball back with pick sixes. He's become he's
Speaker 2: become a four that's got to be the right.
Speaker 6: Well, there's so these there's all these tweets out there
Speaker 6: now about like the fact that he essentially has four
Speaker 6: receiving touchdowns, but there's a flock of bigger name wideouts
Speaker 6: to have three right for the course of a whole year.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if greg I don't know if
Speaker 2: the the you know, PFF and other analytics back him
Speaker 2: up as a premier corner, but he's a playmaker on
Speaker 2: a team that is just loaded with him. So he
Speaker 2: kind of he filled that void in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways in their secondary because Diggs was kind of that
Speaker 2: as well. He wasn't always perfect in coverage, but he
Speaker 2: always was there around the ball.
Speaker 5: He's been solid though, even even in coverage on plays
Speaker 5: that he's not returning to the house. And he was
Speaker 5: good last year too. That they found something. I mean,
Speaker 5: they are better in every way than this wash.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just they could get ugly but I
Speaker 3: think it's get very ugly, and.
Speaker 6: I's think it starts with Micah Parsons, who like last
Speaker 6: week he uh like dry scooped or something before the game,
Speaker 6: which is like he took a bunch of protein I
Speaker 6: think it was, and then he's like threw up multiple times.
Speaker 6: But then go watch that Panthers game. He is destroying
Speaker 6: them from all over the place. Sam Howell, I mean
Speaker 6: this point, at this point, we've heard this before, but
Speaker 6: he's been sacked fifty times, no other player more than forty.
Speaker 4: He's been hit ninety two times.
Speaker 6: I feel like Micah Parsons is like set up to
Speaker 6: absolutely create utter havoc.
Speaker 5: Ron Blane is your number one PFF ranked coverage? Wow
Speaker 5: in your back. I mean Diggs was not ranking like
Speaker 5: that the last and.
Speaker 3: That's not a be all end all.
Speaker 2: But now if if the eye test and the tape
Speaker 2: test and and of course the production of the pick sixes,
Speaker 2: how is he not in the defensive Player of the
Speaker 2: year conversation?
Speaker 3: I know you I haven't heard him.
Speaker 5: Parsons that it is funny because if he was just
Speaker 5: like drafted in the top ten overall picks last year
Speaker 5: instead of it the fifth round I have a feeling
Speaker 5: he would be getting more attention for some reason.
Speaker 3: It feels more fluky.
Speaker 6: Do you think if Dak Prescott goes out and has
Speaker 6: another one of these games? Because the Cowboys have changed
Speaker 6: my mind, Dan from like where you're in to go,
Speaker 6: I'm just I see it because the way they win,
Speaker 6: they win an all in every in every way, and
Speaker 6: some of their biggest wins haven't really been because their offense.
Speaker 6: But if Dak goes out in mince meets like the
Speaker 6: Washington defense like is he our MVP front runner?
Speaker 3: No, but it hurts. I don't think there is. I
Speaker 3: think there are the two leaders in Vegas right now.
Speaker 5: I don't think it me I think seven weeks left,
Speaker 5: it hasn't started.
Speaker 3: Like none of all happened that.
Speaker 2: I hate, sure though, but it matters whoever wants to
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 5: No, No, But what I mean is like nothing that's happened
Speaker 5: to this point I think is going to impact who
Speaker 5: wins the MVP. There's about fifteen guys that could whoever,
Speaker 5: and I think Dak has got to go there.
Speaker 3: So I think Dak, I mean Dak in Apparel Universe.
Speaker 6: He's got twelve interceptions and he's melting down, one's going crazy.
Speaker 3: He's having a great season.
Speaker 2: So it's funny because that guy's a chance. He'd be
Speaker 2: a good story too.
Speaker 3: He is, he checks a lot of the boxes.
Speaker 2: I it's funny because I still I know the Cowboys
Speaker 2: are going to be there in January, but Dak lighting
Speaker 2: up the Commanders at home and Thanksgiving. I need to
Speaker 2: see him really in a big spot in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Well gains a big time game, nothing matter.
Speaker 2: So I always kind of doubt them because I have
Speaker 2: questions about him, like personally in that type of environment.
Speaker 3: But you know what, as I say all the time,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to watch it. Let's catastrophe strikes
Speaker 3: chinx anybody.
Speaker 2: Let's move to the final game, the Thanksgiving Night game.
Speaker 2: See if you're following along in this, if you're tracking
Speaker 2: the league, they it's incremental.
Speaker 3: But the NFL babbles things up.
Speaker 2: And about what was about ten twelve years ago, that's
Speaker 2: when the Thanksgiving Night came as a game.
Speaker 3: And now we got Friday as well, Easter Sunday kick off.
Speaker 3: Maybe don't doubt it.
Speaker 2: Let's see we have the forty nine ers traveling to
Speaker 2: Seattle to face the Seahawks. The Seahawks have some injury
Speaker 2: issues here. Gino Smith with the elbow. I think he's
Speaker 2: tracking towards playing, but he's banged up. DK Metcalf also
Speaker 2: banged up. And if you look at Seattle, Greg gets a.
Speaker 2: It's a big game for them because, yes, the Niners.
Speaker 2: It would be no shame if they weren't able to
Speaker 2: beat the Niners at home. The Niners are arguably the
Speaker 2: best team in football, if not a top three team
Speaker 2: in football.
Speaker 3: However, you look.
Speaker 2: At the next three weeks after this at Dallas, at
Speaker 2: San Francisco, VERSUS Philadelphia, they could go into a skid
Speaker 2: that could ruin their season. So this almost is like,
Speaker 2: in this environment, if you get this win, you could
Speaker 2: probably survive the rocky terrain ahead and play down the
Speaker 2: stretch or the real chance the playoffs, or this thing
Speaker 2: could start spinning out of control after a bad loss.
Speaker 3: To the Rams.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was probably about a month ago that I said, Wow,
Speaker 5: I think this team has a higher ceiling than I
Speaker 5: expected this season, And since then they've looked incredibly mediocre.
Speaker 5: Their offense is definitely a little worse than it was
Speaker 5: a year ago. It's not bad, but it's not a
Speaker 5: difference maker. It's not consistent, and their defense has taken
Speaker 5: a huge step back. And I just kind of think
Speaker 5: when you're playing a team like the forty nine, you're
Speaker 5: gonna have some things that they can pick on. You know,
Speaker 5: are you physical enough to hold up to them? They
Speaker 5: certainly weren't. This was a terrible matchup. They were really
Speaker 5: embarrassed against the forty nine ers three times last year.
Speaker 5: But it's like, what is it that you do really
Speaker 5: well that can make up for that? And I don't
Speaker 5: see anything with the Seahawks. They actually don't really have
Speaker 5: any part of their team that's special. There's no Kenneth
Speaker 5: Walker in this game. It'll be Zach Sharbonny. I don't
Speaker 5: think that's a huge deal. But I worry about them
Speaker 5: holding up to the physicality of the forty nine ers
Speaker 5: defensive front.
Speaker 3: Especially.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I get real tired of like historical matchup data,
Speaker 6: but I don't. I don't think it's unreliable. Unreliable to
Speaker 6: look at last year and these teams are very similar.
Speaker 3: It's coach totally, no, it's very similar.
Speaker 6: And like I like, I go back to that Thursday
Speaker 6: Night game where I thought the Gino Smith and he
Speaker 6: had a great season, but it started to tail off
Speaker 6: a little bit in the final, you know, third or
Speaker 6: fourth and San Francisco, Like, the Niners expose Seattle in
Speaker 6: a lot of ways in that game. And if you
Speaker 6: go look at their weapons Christian McCaffrey at running back,
Speaker 6: Deebo Samuel George Kittle like at the running back, wide receiver,
Speaker 6: and tight end position. No other three players have had
Speaker 6: more success historically against Seattle than those three players. They
Speaker 6: match up really well against Seattle's defense. Right now, we're
Speaker 6: getting a version of where we've woken up from the
Speaker 6: dream of that brock Perty is gonna come back down
Speaker 6: to be some sort of second tier mezzening level quarterback.
Speaker 6: He's been absolutely awesome for two weeks in a row.
Speaker 6: I don't care that this game is in Seattle. That
Speaker 6: doesn't seem to me the same way it used to.
Speaker 6: I think the Niners own this team, and I don't
Speaker 6: think Gino Smith is healthy even if he plays.
Speaker 2: I got some data points on Party who leads the NFL.
Speaker 2: He has nearly ten yards in attempt his passer rating,
Speaker 2: which I know is not everything, but when you're in
Speaker 2: the he's at one point fifteen that tells you a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, how efficient he is. He's on pace for
Speaker 2: over forty five hundred yards passing. He's completing seventy percent
Speaker 2: of his passes. As you said, he's really he came
Speaker 2: out of that slump, and it was a legitimate slump.
Speaker 3: But the last last couple of weeks he's.
Speaker 4: Wasn't like he was terrible during those in that slump either.
Speaker 2: Right, But the last two weeks he's completed seventy eight
Speaker 2: percent of his passes, six touchdowns, no interceptions, with a
Speaker 2: perfect passer rating. He is a guy that won't be
Speaker 2: perfect always, but when he starts cooking in this offense
Speaker 2: is rolling and if the defense is vulnerable, they're going
Speaker 2: to score points. And then it's like Greg, can Seattle
Speaker 2: keep up if this turns into a shootout, And the
Speaker 2: way they are right now, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: Right can they take advantage of the only weakness in
Speaker 5: San Francisco, which I think is their cornerbacks? But I
Speaker 5: don't know if they can hold up long enough. If
Speaker 5: you just looked at the numbers without any context, rock
Speaker 5: Perty is your MVP.
Speaker 6: Right, Why can't we Why can't anyone accept that just
Speaker 6: because of the system.
Speaker 5: I think if I think the leader in EPA per
Speaker 5: play for quarterbacks has one MVP something like six out
Speaker 5: of or like seven years in a row. Six years
Speaker 5: in a row like that usually is that it kind
Speaker 5: of tells you who's playing the best. And he's he's
Speaker 5: so far ahead in that number that there's almost no
Speaker 5: chance he's not gonna have that lead.
Speaker 6: But why do we act like he's Holly Hobby just
Speaker 6: because he's in a Kyle Shanahan offense.
Speaker 2: Like he It's unfair. I think it's unfair. Well, I
Speaker 2: think the guys, like the guys that are he's competing
Speaker 2: against for this award, like Lamar, like Jalen Hurts like
Speaker 2: Mahomes if that offense ever wakes up. I think they're
Speaker 2: better players. I think everyone kind of knows that they're
Speaker 2: better players. And I think that's what hurts pretty because
Speaker 2: people do say he's a good player in an incredible
Speaker 2: scheme with an amazing talent around him, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no way escaping that unless he pulls up the
Speaker 2: enemy and says, I'm gonna go go do it somewhere
Speaker 2: else on my own. So maybe that she has to
Speaker 2: deal with the Shanahan tacks and there are worse fates
Speaker 2: in the world. To be honest, Mark, but I see
Speaker 2: what you're saying. If he leads the league in like
Speaker 2: virtually every passing category, see, and the team goes thirteen and.
Speaker 6: Four to the eye like he's Josh allenis is like
Speaker 6: a physical specimen Lamar's fatality.
Speaker 5: And also they carry their offense in a way that
Speaker 5: he doesn't a because he doesn't run, and because he
Speaker 5: doesn't throw the ball much. I mean, those guys have
Speaker 5: thrown the ball one hundred and forty more times than him,
Speaker 5: so they they I think that matters.
Speaker 3: Volume does matter a little bit. I feel your frustration.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I I could argue against myself too. It's
Speaker 6: just that it's like he's not even he won't even
Speaker 6: get votes. Let's won't even get well.
Speaker 2: See, can you check the Vegas odds right now for MVP,
Speaker 2: see where perty is, because he absolutely should be in
Speaker 2: the top three, and if.
Speaker 3: He's not, there is a lot of bias going on it.
Speaker 6: By the way, how about Seattle go take care of
Speaker 6: business against the Rams before this insane Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, classic classic game. I don't buy them, classic trap game.
Speaker 5: I think Chase Young has really changed their defense the
Speaker 5: way they were using him in both to kind of
Speaker 5: like in the A gaps as like linebackers or something.
Speaker 3: It was kind of crazy.
Speaker 5: Eric Armstead had his most pressures of any game in
Speaker 5: his career last week on top of that, and I
Speaker 5: think that's partly because opposing offensive lines have so much
Speaker 5: to deal with in the Seattle offensive line is terrible.
Speaker 3: It's been terrible. Hey, guys, real quick before we move on.
Speaker 8: I'm seeing on DraftKings right now brought pretty plus fifteen
Speaker 8: hundred for MV people.
Speaker 3: Well, what notice.
Speaker 8: That would be behind Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes Tua.
Speaker 3: So that would be fifth Holmes. Well that's pretty high though.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Holmes is going to get the opposite tacks because
Speaker 8: no matter what, DA you got Dak Prescott right behind
Speaker 8: him at plus fifteen hundred, C J. Stroud plus eighteen
Speaker 8: and CMC fifth plus twenty two.
Speaker 3: Totally out of the mix. So okay, he might be
Speaker 3: creeping up.
Speaker 4: It says something that is running back is the first
Speaker 4: non quarterback on that list.
Speaker 5: That would I if I had a vote today, I'm
Speaker 5: putting tyreek Kill number one. It is crazy that Tyreek
Speaker 5: Kill's not in the top ten there.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: He's on pace for two thousand yards that big season.
Speaker 5: To me, he's been the most excellent player this season.
Speaker 5: It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 3: So those are the Thanksgiving games.
Speaker 2: Now, for the first time ever, as I said, we
Speaker 2: have a Black Friday game. It is the Jets and
Speaker 2: the Dolphins at the Metal Lands and it is a
Speaker 2: new quarterback for the Jets.
Speaker 3: Tim Boyle will be starting.
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson demoted all the way to emergency backup quarterback,
Speaker 2: so with Trevor Simmons the number two. So that is
Speaker 2: the sad state of affairs around the Jets and now
Speaker 2: becomes greg. This game and the idea of this game
Speaker 2: being enjoyable to watch comes down to a couple of things.
Speaker 3: One anybody other than Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: So at least you get another quarterback who maybe has
Speaker 2: a more professional ability to move an offense, and maybe.
Speaker 3: The Jets could score a couple touchdowns.
Speaker 2: But ken the Jets defense, which finally led up and
Speaker 2: got beat up by Buffalo last week, are they going
Speaker 2: to be able to cook up some things to slow
Speaker 2: down to it in the Dolphins offense, which as we
Speaker 2: know has happened in multiple points this season against good defenses.
Speaker 3: Right, really, for the last month, when was the last
Speaker 3: great to a game? All right, let's look at it.
Speaker 5: I mean the Eagles game. I think he played very well.
Speaker 5: It didn't show up statistically, but it would be the
Speaker 5: week before that. We've gone basically a month without a
Speaker 5: dominant Dolphins offensive performance by basically any metric you looked at. Offensively,
Speaker 5: they've been average for a month now. Their defense is
Speaker 5: getting much better, but you just see little cracks. They're
Speaker 5: terrible in short yard they can't buy a yard when
Speaker 5: it's third and one, fourth and one.
Speaker 3: They never just like run the ball normally.
Speaker 5: Their offensive line, which started out pretty in sync, you
Speaker 5: see some leaks there. And this is a very tough
Speaker 5: matchup against the Jets. So while this game is not
Speaker 5: as nearly excited as I would have expected go into
Speaker 5: the season, the Dolphins are still a very compelling team
Speaker 5: at seven and three, trying to win this division, and
Speaker 5: when they have the ball that this is an outstanding
Speaker 5: test for them. If they're who we think they are,
Speaker 5: they should be able to put some points up eventually
Speaker 5: and pull away in this game.
Speaker 6: Last week against the Raiders. They kept getting in their
Speaker 6: own way. They had three giveaways, like Tua finally looked
Speaker 6: human on a number of passes. They had a yet again,
Speaker 6: a turnover you know inside the five yard line.
Speaker 3: I mean that kind of stuff, but little snappy. It
Speaker 3: was sloppy.
Speaker 6: But then it's like over and over like Tyreek Hill
Speaker 6: kept digging them out. And I'm with you on the
Speaker 6: MVP thing, but it's like no one could stop what
Speaker 6: he was doing. And it's like, you're gonna get a
Speaker 6: couple of those, and I think we're at the point,
Speaker 6: and I think what happened. One of the reasons you
Speaker 6: got this quarterback change in New York, I mean it
Speaker 6: should have happened a long time ago, was that the
Speaker 6: defense can't do it alone. And I think a change
Speaker 6: for the sake of change was needed. And Tim Boyle
Speaker 6: new face. But like Tim Boyle, if you look at
Speaker 6: it in college, and you don't get a lot of
Speaker 6: pro quarterbacks where this has happened in college, twelve touchdowns
Speaker 6: and twenty six interceptions, that is not That is not
Speaker 6: where an NFL quarterback comes from from a collegiate level.
Speaker 3: And Thanksgiving a couple of years ago didn't well he was.
Speaker 6: He's played for Detroit a number of times, and you know,
Speaker 6: so I just I wonder what I Honestly, I was thinking,
Speaker 6: like what if I were the Jets, what would I do?
Speaker 3: Like what do you do differently?
Speaker 6: And like I would literally think about just morphine out
Speaker 6: of nowhere on Black Friday into like a surprise wildcat
Speaker 6: type game where Breis Hall touches the ball, like yeah,
Speaker 6: but they don't have an offensive line, so I change
Speaker 6: all sorts of things. I'm just saying, do something that expected.
Speaker 3: Also, there are a lot of things going on here.
Speaker 2: Tim Boyle is good buddies with Aaron Rodgers, like this
Speaker 2: is everything has kind of.
Speaker 3: Gone like the worst way.
Speaker 2: Well, they sign up for this, so this is they
Speaker 2: got in bed with Rogers and and they get all
Speaker 2: the bad stuff and none of the good stuff because
Speaker 2: he's not playing.
Speaker 3: So now you have boil in the building.
Speaker 2: Probably because the Rodgers, you have Hacketts still the offense,
Speaker 2: and almost any other offensive coordinator at the very least
Speaker 2: would have lost his play calling duties by now, and
Speaker 2: many would be fired. And we're gonna get to Matt
Speaker 2: Canada who lost his job, but he's still there.
Speaker 3: So they are complete.
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett, Thanks, it's nice to see you out here.
Speaker 2: We are a long way from Hard Knocks when he
Speaker 2: was this cute figure. And you know he's gonna be
Speaker 2: there next year as well because he is Aaron Rodgers's boy,
Speaker 2: so you have they are kind of caught in this
Speaker 2: like tornado of Rogers, and they, like you said, signed
Speaker 2: up for it. So I guess my only thought with
Speaker 2: that is maybe Boyle is a professional to the point
Speaker 2: where he could see the field and pull the trigger
Speaker 2: and just make basic plays that Wilson just couldn't even make.
Speaker 3: It as though he's like he's sort of the opposite
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 5: He's like a big arm guy who's gonna like make
Speaker 5: some crazy thrill you know, mistakes.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's just an I don't think anybody has high
Speaker 2: optimism around this stark boil, but it's not Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: All it needs to be right and that's right now,
Speaker 2: You're right, that's all it needs to be. And if
Speaker 2: you're the Dolphins and your Dolphins fans like Handsome Hank
Speaker 2: and everyone else, you could essentially end the Jets season
Speaker 2: here because I thought going into this one two punch
Speaker 2: of for the Jets Buffalo Miami. Coming off those two losses,
Speaker 2: ugly losses against the Chargers and Raiders, the Jets had
Speaker 2: to win one of them, and so I didn't think
Speaker 2: they had a swing. They had at least win one
Speaker 2: and then stop the bleeding. They get killed by Buffalo.
Speaker 2: If the Jets get smoked again here, not only I
Speaker 2: think for all intensive purposes, is it over the Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers coming back on Christmas Eve. I think they need
Speaker 2: to pump the brakes on that and whether Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: wants to come back or not, and and slow things down.
Speaker 2: But maybe we get an inspired defensive effort and boil
Speaker 2: you know, hits a slanted Garrett Wilson that goes for
Speaker 2: seventy and they hang around in this game.
Speaker 4: That's a different Dolphins defense with Jalen Ramsey though.
Speaker 3: Yeah it really him and Jalen Phillips. They have too.
Speaker 5: He's been very good premiere players and they're they're getting better.
Speaker 5: But this is a Dolphins team that look at home. Uh,
Speaker 5: we're trying to stop Aidan O'Connell two different times from
Speaker 5: scoring a game tight in touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: So it's they're not above maybe.
Speaker 6: Differing that was, but they also picked them off three time,
Speaker 6: like they also coaxed.
Speaker 5: They happened, and they were the better team in the game.
Speaker 5: But you know they both both Ramsey picks insane, we're
Speaker 5: incredible play.
Speaker 3: So he's turned back the clock.
Speaker 2: He's I was wondering whether he would be the same
Speaker 2: player he was with the Rams, which wasn't top form
Speaker 2: Ramsey last year.
Speaker 5: But he looks like a revitalized and healthy He's a
Speaker 5: weird career. He either is like the best cornerback in
Speaker 5: the league or not that close, but he's been the
Speaker 5: best cornerback like four times.
Speaker 2: All right, let's now move to the primetime games, starting
Speaker 2: with Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3: The Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2: They could have well, they didn't do it alone because
Speaker 2: the injury to quarterback plays a big role, but they
Speaker 2: might have ended the Bengals season last Thursday night.
Speaker 3: And you know, I have a bone to pick. I
Speaker 3: didn't bring it up on the Thursday recap.
Speaker 2: I am filing a formal protest in the lock Challenge
Speaker 2: to get all the data removed from the season because
Speaker 2: I would have never locked the Bengals on the road
Speaker 2: against the Ravens if I knew the quarterback Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: had a busted wrist, they hid that from me as well, Greg,
Speaker 2: and that I would have never eradicate the entire Yeah,
Speaker 2: the whole thing needs this way a bomb dropped on it.
Speaker 2: Listen to the preview when I locked up the Bengals,
Speaker 2: I basically said, this is a bad pick, but I
Speaker 2: believe in Joe Burrow, and it's me and Joe against
Speaker 2: the world, and they were hiding a crippling wrist injury.
Speaker 3: How dare you.
Speaker 5: The Bengals single handedly took you down because I remember
Speaker 5: you went against You went against them when they played
Speaker 5: the Niners, and then you said you're going to pick
Speaker 5: them every week.
Speaker 2: They they ended my season as well. I lost three weeks.
Speaker 2: I could vote to have you have a chance. This
Speaker 2: was to have two locks. This week they're showing up.
Speaker 2: They're showing the standings here. I didn't one the Wesleyan
Speaker 2: Brose eight and three and hands and Sessler five and
Speaker 2: if you added that's rough. But we're going to eradicate this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this means nothing.
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that. I've been trying to do that
Speaker 5: for years, and you know what, the well, this season
Speaker 5: or we could just start from scratch. From scratch, season
Speaker 5: doesn't start till after thanks.
Speaker 3: I don't support that.
Speaker 2: I think the zoo keeper Nick Westling, by the way,
Speaker 2: he's eight and three, and he was, you know, he
Speaker 2: was starting to feel out what he was like the
Speaker 2: character he's building for the show. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Chris watching down wherever, he is having a ball watching Nick,
Speaker 2: enjoying himself and feeling himself on the show.
Speaker 3: But remember he.
Speaker 2: Was leaning a little too hard if you look at
Speaker 2: some of those early picks, like Showman type picks that
Speaker 2: were really overly risky.
Speaker 3: Jets I believe Jetsick was in the mix. He got
Speaker 3: the jets against the giants. That was the lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was another, but there was I think
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the season, I wonder if he
Speaker 2: could do it over again, he would have rained in
Speaker 2: the Showman and maybe he'd be with Greg at ten
Speaker 2: and well, but they haven't lost in weeks.
Speaker 3: I don't think he can't help it. It's a two
Speaker 3: horse race. It's about me there. He is the great
Speaker 3: Chris Westling. You know, I was thinking.
Speaker 2: That Chris and Lakeisha lived a town away from where
Speaker 2: I am now, like going on double dates with Chris
Speaker 2: and Lakisha and maybe we'd all be together on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6: That well, there were a number of times that West
Speaker 6: and I came over after that first Seattle San Francisco game,
Speaker 6: we came over to your place.
Speaker 5: You even had macaroni only come I've ever eaten mac
Speaker 5: and chee. It was Texas style.
Speaker 2: It had a little bit of a different consistency that
Speaker 2: I think you open a base or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yes, Chris was with us right now. You know,
Speaker 3: he pops up in your mind.
Speaker 5: I think that in the holidays when my family leaves me,
Speaker 5: they were my adopted family during the holidays, spend.
Speaker 2: Christmas, always open arms in the Westlings with Lakeisha. Happy
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to Lakisha and Link and everyone back in Saint Louis.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go, Here we go, here we go.
Speaker 3: Where were you?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Cincinnati Bengals screwed me, and that's the past.
Speaker 2: Now the Ravens at eight and three with a real
Speaker 2: chance here at the number one seed, and the AFC
Speaker 2: get a Chargers team. I don't know, Mark, they stink.
Speaker 2: That's all that's my data points on this one. They
Speaker 2: keep getting primetime game, but we wanted to make the
Speaker 2: Chargers a thing this year. The league wanted to make
Speaker 2: them a thing, and they're just never going to be
Speaker 2: a thing, at least not with Brandon Staley. No, we're
Speaker 2: maybe with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So it'll start all over again, sure in the
Speaker 6: off season, but we're post Chargers at this point.
Speaker 4: We talked about it a lot on Sunday night.
Speaker 6: How you know, the Brandon Staley press conference for me
Speaker 6: marked like a bookend where he just became.
Speaker 3: So the beginning of the end.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like, you know that that stuff matters.
Speaker 6: You gotta wonder what's happening with the locker room because
Speaker 6: I see its like it is sort of two lightning
Speaker 6: rod quarterbacks that have their little flocks, And like Lamar
Speaker 6: Jackson experience is that he's in a team that's very
Speaker 6: well coached and Brandon Staley is coaching the other quarterback,
Speaker 6: Justin Herbert, who has like lost more one score games
Speaker 6: over the past couple of seasons than any quarterback in
Speaker 6: the league. And it's not his fault. The defense that
Speaker 6: should be Staley's staple has allowed three hundred yards passing
Speaker 6: in half of their ten games. So this is a
Speaker 6: big opportunity for Baltimore to come into the on the road,
Speaker 6: into an un problematic stadium. It's gonna be a Ravens
Speaker 6: crowd probably like every other week, but you don't have
Speaker 6: Mark Andrews, and I that's Mark Andrews has accounted for
Speaker 6: twenty percent of their yardage through the air and half
Speaker 6: of Lamar Jackson's touchdowns, and I think that's a big loss.
Speaker 3: He's the core of that offense.
Speaker 6: It's like a lot of pressure on Odell Beckham, who's
Speaker 6: arrow up last couple of weeks. But I don't know
Speaker 6: if I don't know if if like without without Mark Andrews,
Speaker 6: you're not the same offense.
Speaker 5: It's funny because even before Andrews got hurt, my number
Speaker 5: one concern I thought, the one thing that's gonna decide
Speaker 5: whether the Ravens can maybe go win this super Bowl
Speaker 5: or not is can the wide receivers and Lamar be
Speaker 5: consistent and explosive enough on a week to week basis
Speaker 5: to go win a shit Because I think they have
Speaker 5: the opportunity. I think they've shown flashes, hasn't been consistent.
Speaker 5: This matchup is great for that, Matt, you know, for
Speaker 5: that happening because there's always blown coverages. You look last week,
Speaker 5: the defenders are talking right before the Packers hit some
Speaker 5: big plays down the field. They're not clear on assignments.
Speaker 5: Everything is just counting on Herbert to play his best.
Speaker 5: I think he's played easily his best two games of
Speaker 5: the season in a row the last two weeks, and
Speaker 5: they lost. They lost them both. I mean easily is
Speaker 5: best too. And I saw a stat It was from
Speaker 5: our June Manan not familiar with him before. He has
Speaker 5: some good stats, he pointed out since week two, if
Speaker 5: you just have the Charger's success rate on running plays
Speaker 5: since then, it would be the worst rushing team in
Speaker 5: the last decade. That's how bad they are on a
Speaker 5: down to down basis running. So they have so many
Speaker 5: different things going wrong from them. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5: We'll see that uh Eckler run I was talking about. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was put the piano on the back.
Speaker 3: That was not great.
Speaker 4: That was Kellen Moore was brought into change all.
Speaker 5: Then, so they they like you worry about Brandonsdale a
Speaker 5: little bit in a primetime game.
Speaker 3: Primetime games are kind of when changes sometimes happened.
Speaker 5: And I looked at the number at this game, and
Speaker 5: it's three and a half, and I'm thinking that's crazy
Speaker 5: for it to be three and a half. And you
Speaker 5: know how they have those little sides on the on
Speaker 5: the Sofi stadium.
Speaker 3: It's not totally a closed air environment.
Speaker 5: Yes, and at night sometimes you coming in sideways.
Speaker 3: Why for the holiday season, we're.
Speaker 5: Gonna be helping out all the boys and girls in
Speaker 5: the land.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be raining in.
Speaker 5: Las Vegas, Los Angeles Sunnday night.
Speaker 3: And we're locking it up too, We're doubling it up.
Speaker 3: We're double double the pleasure. This is all right, little.
Speaker 5: Gravy, you mix everything together, the collar greens, the mashed potatoes.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta watch this on whatever best channel
Speaker 3: or YouTube just to see the rain maker video component here.
Speaker 3: It's so timid.
Speaker 6: It's not Craig at his most handsombod, because he's a
Speaker 6: handsome person in general.
Speaker 3: Why did so Erica created this?
Speaker 2: You're saying, and it was after a fight that you
Speaker 2: guys had a very volcanic relationship to you, Is that
Speaker 2: a vengeance? You're wearing your glasses, so you must add
Speaker 2: like some type of maybe.
Speaker 5: A stigma or you know, I like guy glasses. But
Speaker 5: I definitely why this was. This was a path not
Speaker 5: taken at you.
Speaker 4: Look like Greg, Well, that's or I guess for you
Speaker 4: a bar mitzvah.
Speaker 5: No, this is I'm the state farm agent and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get you a good, good price on that home Homonado.
Speaker 3: Very nice, very nice. I like it, is this your
Speaker 3: lock of the week or I'm locking it up to
Speaker 3: I'm locking it up? Oh, it's a double up, doubble
Speaker 3: Max missmashing. What could go right?
Speaker 2: You've really you've went from picking the Chargers to win
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl to just going way on the other
Speaker 2: side of them. But I can't question anything, Greg, because
Speaker 2: you've had the golden touch this year with really everything.
Speaker 2: But I also I have to say I think it
Speaker 2: needs to be said this close to the holidays.
Speaker 3: To pull the rain maker. You know, there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot of people out there.
Speaker 2: They're going to go all in those because they have
Speaker 2: because Santi class has to come to town, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yep uh, And you understand there's a
Speaker 2: great responsibility that you have here to make sure this
Speaker 2: one's right.
Speaker 5: I do, but look, I'm I don't tell what our
Speaker 5: listeners what to do all. I'm saying, if you had
Speaker 5: just been following our locks every week for eleven straight
Speaker 5: weeks and doing the money line, you'd be doing pretty well.
Speaker 3: Be doing it. We're in a show.
Speaker 6: We're recovering sixteen games, which is so we're going to
Speaker 6: have I would say four to five more sell promotional
Speaker 6: dialogues from.
Speaker 2: Greg Monday Night Football. Let's move on, And I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think the Ravens and the Chargers are two franchises
Speaker 2: going in opposite directions. So but I would never put
Speaker 2: someone else's money and Christmas Morning on the line, profession.
Speaker 2: That's some people have different viewpoints on society and what
Speaker 2: they give to it.
Speaker 9: All.
Speaker 3: Right, here we go the Bears. What do we got?
Speaker 3: What are the Bears doing here? What have we got?
Speaker 3: Bears in print time? Again? Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3: Nobody wants us? I don't know.
Speaker 4: We've had this conversation one year after year.
Speaker 3: No, the Bears are the last place in the North.
Speaker 2: Justin Field's playing, of course, for a future in Chicago,
Speaker 2: and they get the Vikings, the team of around the
Speaker 2: NFL that had a gut punch loss on Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 2: As we all know, twenty one twenty to the Broncos.
Speaker 2: But here here is a very nice get right spot
Speaker 2: both teams. That's their last game before they go into
Speaker 2: a bye week. I I absolutely believe that the Vikings
Speaker 2: would will take care of business in in.
Speaker 3: Easy, easy manner against.
Speaker 2: The Bears and by feeling good because they are the
Speaker 2: team around the NFL, and I think Josh Jobbs is
Speaker 2: gonna really have a big day, and when they get
Speaker 2: back from the bye, they'll be comfortably in the playoff
Speaker 2: picture with Justin Jefferson hopefully back.
Speaker 3: On the field.
Speaker 6: I'm with you, and I'm I agree with you so
Speaker 6: much that with this music as the background, I am
Speaker 6: locking this team.
Speaker 3: Up instead of like, are they in the are they
Speaker 3: in the zone? Sure? Yeah, I'm sure I didn't look
Speaker 3: three and a half.
Speaker 2: The Bears are getting Oh I'm with you, buddy, Let's
Speaker 2: do it, lockbros.
Speaker 3: All right, we're in last.
Speaker 5: Does not make great as a fan of the team
Speaker 5: around the NFL, but let's go, come on, let's go. Why, Greg,
Speaker 5: I guess you could look just because of your records,
Speaker 5: but also actually the Bears are played.
Speaker 3: Well, Whe're zero zero? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I just got breaking news, breaking news, just heard
Speaker 2: from Paul Giamatti, son of Bartlett Giamatti, commissioner of the
Speaker 2: Lock Committee.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, they are.
Speaker 2: They are wiping clean because of the Joe Burrow injury,
Speaker 2: a failure for an injury designation in the week eleven
Speaker 2: Thursday night affair against the Raves.
Speaker 3: Wiping all standing, so five losses. Talk to Paul Giamatti.
Speaker 4: It'll drop a food coloring in a glass of water there.
Speaker 3: That's the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I'm a little worried about this game for the Vikings though,
Speaker 5: just because Beild's played awesome last week. I thought he
Speaker 5: was the best, you know, one of the best players
Speaker 5: on the field, one of his best games. It's coming
Speaker 5: off two really good performances before he got hurt.
Speaker 3: As well.
Speaker 5: Their defense has been better slash respectable. I get why
Speaker 5: it's three and a half. Like I've I'm taking the
Speaker 5: Vikings certainly in this game, but the Bears are trend
Speaker 5: in a little up. There's no justin Jefferson, like every
Speaker 5: game is in advance that horn again, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I'm with you writing in the sense that like you
Speaker 6: can look at how the game started up until you
Speaker 6: know the collapse against Detroit and say, have the Bears
Speaker 6: turned the corner.
Speaker 3: A little bit? They were dominating that game, that's what.
Speaker 3: But then you also collapsed, But like that was that defensively? Yeah?
Speaker 6: But I like to see the ceiling versus where they
Speaker 6: were two months ago.
Speaker 3: Why are we getting this this audio? By the way,
Speaker 3: what do you mean the.
Speaker 2: Team around the unabl This is like the thing they played,
Speaker 2: Oh Mark, come on, you don't know they blow the horn.
Speaker 4: The whole I like, I'd like to just play at
Speaker 4: the whole show that part.
Speaker 3: I know you know this one, Yes, I do. I've
Speaker 3: heard that roughly seven thousand times. All Right, anything else
Speaker 3: on this game. Got to keep that running game going.
Speaker 5: I like that they got Madison for the first time
Speaker 5: in forever last week.
Speaker 3: All right, there we go.
Speaker 2: So that is the Thanksgiving games, Black Friday, prime time.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break and when we come back, we'll
Speaker 2: do the draft. All right, welcome back. It is time
Speaker 2: for the draft. Everybody get ready. It's time for the
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Speaker 3: the way, do we have the cess dog song? How
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're all back together in the studio for
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Speaker 4: Well, let me hear it before I comment on it.
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Speaker 3: Foot gold side foot, gold side up.
Speaker 7: What do you think about it's catchy?
Speaker 4: I could I could imagine playing in a loop in
Speaker 4: my car where I.
Speaker 5: Think it captures the spirit of marsh very right, said Freddish.
Speaker 2: Definitely, you're inside Mark's brain on like a Saturday.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling myself over and over.
Speaker 3: I repeat that, Wane. I know who did it, Hobart, Curtis.
Speaker 2: Only a man named Hobart or Hobart could have something
Speaker 2: that genius inside his own mind.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could be a pen name or a artistic cover.
Speaker 6: But I like it. Thank you Hobart.
Speaker 3: All right, you have the first pack.
Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna take Cleveland at Denver. I know
Speaker 6: last week I didn't go there in that direction. I
Speaker 6: got a lot of hubb up. And it's like, I like,
Speaker 6: I want to make one thing real clear, real fast.
Speaker 6: Like I'm getting all these tweets like, oh, are you
Speaker 6: like a Browns fan against Like I don't like anything
Speaker 6: they've done over the last year in terms of one
Speaker 6: specific subject, Like I can care about some of the
Speaker 6: other players, and I kind of think this team is
Speaker 6: a little bit interesting to me because they had they
Speaker 6: were a rotting corpse on defense for so long, and
Speaker 6: this is a weird team and you're saying yes, by
Speaker 6: the way, for It's just like no, It's like I
Speaker 6: haven't really It's like I'm not dancing around. It's like
Speaker 6: I just I don't. I'm getting people saying like, oh,
Speaker 6: you like backed off and this, like but if you
Speaker 6: just say, well, it's gonna, I just I just said
Speaker 6: it basically, I'm watching this defense gonna Actually.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 6: And I'm not like like I think a couple of
Speaker 6: years from now, I could come back and be a
Speaker 6: full fledged Browns fan.
Speaker 4: That is what I would say.
Speaker 6: And it's like it's the insinuations left and right are
Speaker 6: me are like foggy and stupid. So it's like, please
Speaker 6: leave it alone.
Speaker 3: So in a couple of years you'll be a Browns
Speaker 3: fan again.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not right now in the way that I
Speaker 6: was before, and that never will be the same case.
Speaker 4: I don't how to describe it, just will never be
Speaker 4: the same.
Speaker 3: All right, with your first overall picks, the Browns go ahead.
Speaker 3: I am taking this game. I think this is you know,
Speaker 3: for two reasons.
Speaker 6: Then Weeks go ahead, Mark no, for two reasons because
Speaker 6: I think this team is kind of fascinating to watch,
Speaker 6: Like their defense is historically insane, and they have created
Speaker 6: If they had a more competent offense, like I think
Speaker 6: they'd be fairly unstoppable as an overall team. Because they've
Speaker 6: forced three and outs at a higher rate than any
Speaker 6: club this entire century.
Speaker 3: That's not easy to do, it's it's over fifty percent.
Speaker 6: Because of this, the Browns offense has run one hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty two more plays than their opponents, which is
Speaker 6: more than double than the next team.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Like they are shutting down drives and their offense is
Speaker 6: being given the ball back at a quicker, faster, more
Speaker 6: dangerous pace. But Cleveland's offense is twenty ninth and EPA
Speaker 6: per game, twenty third in points per drive, and thirtieth
Speaker 6: in yards per play. We know they're working around injuries,
Speaker 6: but it's like the one thing I find interesting is
Speaker 6: that there isn't this is the opposite of a fractured team.
Speaker 6: Like that would be the like they're winning, so that
Speaker 6: changes some of it, but this would be the medicine
Speaker 6: or the setup for like the defense to be revolting instead,
Speaker 6: like everything they've said, everything they've done as an overall
Speaker 6: group has been the opposite of that.
Speaker 3: I think that's to the credit of Kevin Stefanski, who.
Speaker 2: All, as you win, as long as you win it,
Speaker 2: you won't have players only meeting right, you won't have
Speaker 2: rumbling from wide receivers.
Speaker 5: Also won the game thirty nine to thirty eight and
Speaker 5: thirty three to thirty one, so they the defense knows
Speaker 5: that in some big spots their offense has actually bailed
Speaker 5: them out.
Speaker 6: Yes, that was with That's true, there were different players involved.
Speaker 3: At that point.
Speaker 6: But I would just say, like, this is not This
Speaker 6: Denver team is completely different than the team that we
Speaker 6: focused on early.
Speaker 3: They're like fifth in defense overall.
Speaker 6: Right now in over the last five weeks like they've
Speaker 6: been we saw them on Monday night or on Sunday
Speaker 6: night look much more competent on offense too.
Speaker 4: And that's been the case with Russell Wilson for a while.
Speaker 6: And I will say, when you go into out the
Speaker 6: altitude thing, I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: I went with a f with a couple of families went.
Speaker 6: On a ski trip to Colorado back when I was
Speaker 6: like in sixth grade, and like, you fly into Denver
Speaker 6: and you think, like this is gonna be fine, We're
Speaker 6: gonna go skiing, and like me and this girl from
Speaker 6: another family like had to stay home the first day
Speaker 6: and watch like, you know, I love Lucy all morning
Speaker 6: because we could we were like throwing up left and
Speaker 6: right with altitude sickness.
Speaker 4: So I always factor that in.
Speaker 2: Okay time in Denver historically toughy atmosphere. I I think
Speaker 2: mark that and you look at like their schedule the
Speaker 2: rest of the way, I pretty much see all games
Speaker 2: that are going to come down to about a field goal.
Speaker 2: I think that's just who the the way the offense
Speaker 2: is built. And you got to give Thompson Robinson some
Speaker 2: credit because he made throws that you know, kind of
Speaker 2: got to make to be playing at this level. But
Speaker 2: on that last drive he hit, he hit on three
Speaker 2: completions that got him in field goal range and then
Speaker 2: they get the kick and away we go. I think
Speaker 2: you're gonna be white knuckling it throughout the season here.
Speaker 2: But they have something special. Every team needs something special
Speaker 2: if you want to play in January football that counts
Speaker 2: like and they have this defense. So as long as
Speaker 2: the offense doesn't blow their season, and I don't think
Speaker 2: they will because I think they're gonna. I think Stefanski
Speaker 2: is gonna play this right where He's not gonna He's
Speaker 2: gonna play a conservative game. So I think thirteen to
Speaker 2: ten type games are gonna happen a lot, and I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen here against Denver as well.
Speaker 5: Right, they look they're kind of in a similar spot
Speaker 5: as the Jets, except they have a better defense ultimately
Speaker 5: as schedules helped, but a better defense and a better
Speaker 5: play caller I think is important, a better overall offensive system.
Speaker 5: That the Broncos are two and a half point favorites
Speaker 5: in this game. The over unders thirty five, but that
Speaker 5: is so so low, But I totally get it. I
Speaker 5: like the Browns in this game. I took the Browns
Speaker 5: last week. I hope Cess Spice, you know, finally gets
Speaker 5: on board with the Browns in Sesspice.
Speaker 6: Spice doesn't know this, but Cess made an alteration to
Speaker 6: the Sesspice picks and the brown Wow.
Speaker 2: It's like a It's almost like a head coach making
Speaker 2: a change of play caller because it is a certain point.
Speaker 3: It's your responsibility.
Speaker 2: It is not Spice, sess It's says Spice, to control
Speaker 2: the enterprise and do what's right for the entire next week.
Speaker 6: I made because I think I'm I'm working with a savant, right,
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 3: I think this is a reckoning.
Speaker 5: Though for Russell Wilson, I'm a little tired of like
Speaker 5: the old Russ is back and oh you hate it. Well,
Speaker 5: first of all, he's nowhere near the old Russ. It's
Speaker 5: not what we're saying.
Speaker 3: They're treating him like he's saying that he's a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 5: Second, thank your straw man with you. It's it's not
Speaker 5: a straw man. There's a lot of like they're doing
Speaker 5: a great job. At some point they have to advance
Speaker 5: from where they are by far the fewest air yards
Speaker 5: in the league per throw Russell Wilson. So they're treating
Speaker 5: him like he's Dorian Thompson Robinson. His career, he's never
Speaker 5: been under eight point two. He's at six point eight
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 2: They're playing really well and he's a lot of like
Speaker 2: big throws for them. And sure you know that he's
Speaker 2: not gonna because the defense has given them twelve extra possessions.
Speaker 3: The last the idea was entering the season that he
Speaker 3: was cooked. He's most of us. He would have been
Speaker 3: benched by now.
Speaker 5: I think this if he can be effective against the Browns,
Speaker 5: and I don't mean like light him up, but not
Speaker 5: be a reason that they lose.
Speaker 3: That that would say a lot. I have my dat
Speaker 3: he's not dangerous anymore. No, but he's he's not. You know,
Speaker 3: he's still there in trench starter and.
Speaker 5: No, he reminds me so much of tempers are good
Speaker 5: under Sean Payon, that's exactly.
Speaker 3: You love Teddy Bridgewater, right, you love him more than
Speaker 3: you love your children, And here you are berrying russ Still,
Speaker 3: what is it? What is pretty good counter?
Speaker 5: I'm not burying him. It's a good counter. Like just
Speaker 5: like the let's come down, all right.
Speaker 3: I hear, and I know generally what you mean.
Speaker 6: Find me the people that are hyped up though, I mean,
Speaker 6: I think people are just saying he's not last right.
Speaker 5: I guess I would just push back on you saying
Speaker 5: like they're so they're different defensively than they were the
Speaker 5: first five weeks. They've been the same offensive team, basically.
Speaker 6: I said, I said defense last five weeks they've got
Speaker 6: like forty two turnovers.
Speaker 3: That was the game of the week.
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Speaker 5: Great, Let's do Bill's Eagles. That's the Tony Romo Jim
Speaker 5: Nance game. Nice game?
Speaker 3: Why didn't you take this one more? Because I know
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 6: Everyone is going to be watching this, So it's like,
Speaker 6: I don't like that dynamic where I pick a game
Speaker 6: that seventeen people are talking about the same time.
Speaker 5: WHOA, that's an interesting interesting Why does that you already
Speaker 5: knew that that.
Speaker 6: Happened when I picked Cowboys Eagles, And it's like, why
Speaker 6: am I reporting on this game?
Speaker 3: I love it, like this game's mine. I don't want
Speaker 3: your opinion. By nature.
Speaker 6: By nature, reporters should be be able to offer something
Speaker 6: that the people he's reporting there doesn't know. And it's
Speaker 6: like I'm talking to people who isn't that.
Speaker 5: I'd rather that than in the end, we all kind
Speaker 5: of honk on all the games. So I'd rather have
Speaker 5: the game where other people are giving more and.
Speaker 4: For I want to see how the altitude affects.
Speaker 2: The kind of open That was an eye opener there,
Speaker 2: that was It is not an unusual or new comment
Speaker 2: for me. And once again for the second straight week,
Speaker 2: you're messing with the sanctity of the draft. You know,
Speaker 2: I like the first pick, like a big game. We
Speaker 2: get into it, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: There's nothing I could have done that you would not
Speaker 4: have found a way to need.
Speaker 3: To take Buffalo Philly one. And then you go back
Speaker 3: and I'm bored with the Bills. Okay, go ahead, you
Speaker 3: start then why you're bored? Wow, I am, I'm over it.
Speaker 3: Not only is he doesn't want to talk about the
Speaker 3: game and he's taking my game. I'm he's introduced. There
Speaker 3: you go. I like, I am, I am bored with
Speaker 3: the Bills. I like, I want to I want you
Speaker 3: to continue that first of.
Speaker 6: All, Like I just feel the energy around them. It's
Speaker 6: like I feel like Othery're on every week on national television.
Speaker 6: It's like an up and down affair. It's like good
Speaker 6: Josh Allen, bad Josh Allen? Like you fight, you used
Speaker 6: your play caller as your scapegoat scenario. Who's the next scapegoat?
Speaker 3: Because if they can.
Speaker 2: Take wait, wait a second, they had a really nice showing.
Speaker 2: They won thirty two to six. You know, the Jets
Speaker 2: are free fire. You didn't need like that.
Speaker 6: Like I thought that move was suspicious and it signaled
Speaker 6: to me something weird going on.
Speaker 2: We all agree with that that general feeling around Buffalo.
Speaker 2: But in the here and now, they had had an
Speaker 2: eighty run eighty yard played a shakiir and a beautiful
Speaker 2: throw by Awn.
Speaker 3: They played mistake free football for the most part.
Speaker 2: They were everything that I think with Sean mcdermotd was
Speaker 2: hoping would come out of that firing, which was the
Speaker 2: offense looking good, the team playing cohesively.
Speaker 5: He beat a broken down Jets team that's all passed
Speaker 5: like they got an Eagles matchup. They got everything in
Speaker 5: front of them. They're six and five. I think this
Speaker 5: can still be a playoff team. I think this Eagles
Speaker 5: team has not been as good as their record, and
Speaker 5: I am curious just this is a spot here for
Speaker 5: the Bills to change their season and and I think
Speaker 5: I think they can do it. I am curious what
Speaker 5: they'll do on offense a little bit. You know, has
Speaker 5: emerged as their second best wide receiver in my mind,
Speaker 5: Kincaid has emerged as a big time player that they
Speaker 5: started getting back into the two tight ends last week
Speaker 5: with Quinton Morris on the field, and they've been running well,
Speaker 5: like this is a chance for a team that's been
Speaker 5: consistently at the top of the game to basically erase
Speaker 5: everything that's happened before you go win this game. They
Speaker 5: know how big a game is. You did sense a
Speaker 5: different back against the wall type of energy with them,
Speaker 5: with with Digs on the sideline and given all this
Speaker 5: leadership talk and him and Alan are like loving each other.
Speaker 5: I know it's easier when it was win, but even
Speaker 5: early in that game, I just sense this is a
Speaker 5: team that knows this is a big type of big
Speaker 5: time of season. They've been in some big time games,
Speaker 5: and I kind of think they're gonna win this game.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if that's I mean, I think
Speaker 3: it's a coin flip, but I kind of lie them in.
Speaker 3: I feel like they are.
Speaker 2: A very tough team to figure out what happens next
Speaker 2: in their season, because it is there is plenty of
Speaker 2: talent there, and they have a special quarterback who's been
Speaker 2: mistake prone. But maybe it come to Jesus moment with
Speaker 2: how things played out the last couple of weeks, and yes,
Speaker 2: this is such a huge inflection point moment in their
Speaker 2: season at Philly against an Eagles team that is, yes,
Speaker 2: has one loss to the Jets. Weirdly, but week after
Speaker 2: week I watch them and I say, it's not like
Speaker 2: this team can't get picked off, and they're very good
Speaker 2: at home and I very nearly lock them actually today,
Speaker 2: But even as I was thinking to myself, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, do I really think that Philly,
Speaker 2: in this kind of in their rocking chair right now
Speaker 2: at nine to one, is a team that is safe
Speaker 2: against the Buffalo team that's kind of got to have
Speaker 2: it with after their bye they are at.
Speaker 3: Kansas City v. Dallas.
Speaker 2: They they kind of this is in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: and you know McDermott and behind the scenes, the way
Speaker 2: they're talking about like this is our season right here,
Speaker 2: it's our chance to make a big statement. So I
Speaker 2: feel pretty good about the Bills too, and I it's
Speaker 2: a coin flip to me, but it would not surprise me.
Speaker 6: I think the Eagles, unlike Buffalo, can win so many
Speaker 6: different ways, and they're in they're in Philadelphia. I feel
Speaker 6: like we're not really giving the ether here.
Speaker 3: Either's the the lines makers here three and a half point.
Speaker 4: I could care less what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 6: I'm saying like this is like the Eagles are there,
Speaker 6: them and the Niners. There is no I would never
Speaker 6: put Buffalo in the Eagles category.
Speaker 3: Really is an excellent home team, there's no.
Speaker 6: I mean, they find so many different ways to win.
Speaker 6: In the way they did it against Kansas City, It's
Speaker 6: just like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Defensively, I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I I think the Bills will have a hard time
Speaker 5: stopping Daleen Hurts and in this running game, the way
Speaker 5: they look last you know, they didn't do great for
Speaker 5: most of that game against Kansas City, but just personnel ways,
Speaker 5: I mean Jason Kelcey, that was like that was like
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame resume type of game for Jason Kelsey.
Speaker 3: Was all it's the year of Jason Kelsey. Did you
Speaker 3: see that? Do you see that one clear out block
Speaker 3: where he spread it down to the field. People like,
Speaker 3: he makes center. Look, it makes it fun to play center.
Speaker 3: So I think they can mow down the Bills.
Speaker 5: But I just gotta feel and team seasons change so
Speaker 5: many times, and I just think these two teams, I
Speaker 5: don't feel that that much differently than I did come
Speaker 5: into the season where they both have a chance still.
Speaker 3: To do a lot.
Speaker 2: I got, predictably, some pushback from certain corners of Philadelphia
Speaker 2: or Pennsylvania about my comments about Nick Sirianni, who sometimes
Speaker 2: just needs a little whack in the head just to
Speaker 2: be like sh enough.
Speaker 6: You had it down to like a woman's glove. Did
Speaker 6: she take off and slap it with the glove?
Speaker 3: Let's go stom it.
Speaker 2: And I heard from some Eagles fans, including our buddy
Speaker 2: Dan Soupy Campbell from the Wonder years, who was not
Speaker 2: happy with my commentary and then you know and just
Speaker 2: the way it is, and you could say I'm right
Speaker 2: or I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of you know that I'm right
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 2: Then I get this video sent my way from right
Speaker 2: after the Chiefs game of Siriano heading towards the tunnel.
Speaker 3: You don't find too many coaches to in that you
Speaker 3: know that there is I'm going to posit that there
Speaker 3: was at least.
Speaker 5: First of all, he's getting a lot of grief from
Speaker 5: Chiefs fans, I'm sure during the game, but there was
Speaker 5: probably just one comment in there from some Chiefs fan
Speaker 5: during the game that's stuck in his craw and it
Speaker 5: didn't get out of his head, and I like, he's fired.
Speaker 3: I know you love it, Greg Nick Sirianni, Why.
Speaker 5: Do you have to take it? Why do you have
Speaker 5: to take it from these goons in the crowd?
Speaker 3: You should?
Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, can we can we at
Speaker 2: least have some general self awareness, Like you won the
Speaker 2: game because a guy dropped a ball in the end zone.
Speaker 2: So why don't we just get to the locker room
Speaker 2: and get on the bus and get out of town.
Speaker 3: Gobby Nick Siriani. Chiefs win a Super Bowl because I'm
Speaker 3: a holding call. You don't apologize. Let me see, let
Speaker 3: me see that again. I want to watch that again.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, the head coach. I kind of love it.
Speaker 6: I mean, what's worst you got? Mike Diket's growing that's
Speaker 6: going to someone's hair.
Speaker 3: Remember that that's from NBC Sports Philly.
Speaker 2: Nick Siriano is your friend who got arrested for a
Speaker 2: road rage incident. Nick Ciano is the guy who doesn't
Speaker 2: Sirianni is the guy who doesn't pay his fantasy dues
Speaker 2: before the deadline because quote, you could take it out
Speaker 2: of my winnings. Nick Sirianni is the guy who said
Speaker 2: he's never listened to the Beatles before because they suck.
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni, I got some more this one. I asked
Speaker 2: Zumbalt to write me a few. Oh, this one's fro
Speaker 2: my buddy, Bob. Nick Sirianni still has a subscription to maxim.
Speaker 3: Let's see, I got a couple more here.
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni proudly claims Bradley Cooper's character from Silver Lioni's
Speaker 2: Playbook was crafted after him. Nick Sirianni has never met
Speaker 2: a mascot. He couldn't punch him the peak face. Nick
Speaker 2: Sirianni is the friend who hangs out at your house
Speaker 2: to use your WiFi so he could apply for jobs.
Speaker 2: That's the guy that's your hero, Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 3: The most accurate one.
Speaker 5: There was the guy who doesn't play his league fees
Speaker 5: because he could take it out of my winnings.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni has multiple Instagram photos with friends where they're all.
Speaker 3: Doing I actually can't say that. All right, Let's come on, Bob,
Speaker 3: I can't work that blue reading in real time.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Oh, the Zoo, the Zoo.
Speaker 8: You mentioned earlier that you were going to lock up
Speaker 8: the Eagles, switched off, did a little lock play date
Speaker 8: with Mark. But somebody weighed in and has their opinion
Speaker 8: on the Eagles.
Speaker 3: All right, hello heroes.
Speaker 10: Yeah you guessed, and I'm feeling myself after last week
Speaker 10: taking a four point underdog on the road against.
Speaker 3: They were two and a half.
Speaker 5: He keeps bumping this up inaccurate two and a half.
Speaker 10: You guys have had this narrative that the Zoo doesn't
Speaker 10: have it together. Guess what we're coming after you?
Speaker 3: Greggy.
Speaker 10: You play your conservative game just like the NFL. You
Speaker 10: play conservative, you go home. Bottom line is I have
Speaker 10: to do this video because you didn't take the six
Speaker 10: and a half point favorite last week. You only took
Speaker 10: a four point home favorite.
Speaker 3: That's fine.
Speaker 10: Again, you play your game. We're playing ours. We're coming
Speaker 10: after that trophy, baby, And this week we're flying high
Speaker 10: with the Eagles again. I told you all year the
Speaker 10: Bills aren't making the playoffs. They take another step back
Speaker 10: this week. Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown and the rest of
Speaker 10: the gang fly high, lock it up.
Speaker 3: I'd happy be Thanksgiving to all of the Wesley Happy
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving to Nick. I wish I was there.
Speaker 5: I love he gets fiery on the text, but then
Speaker 5: he always says very very nice text.
Speaker 3: It's the duality of man.
Speaker 5: But I have to just point out factually he's always
Speaker 5: lying about these spreads.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, the Ravens are a two and a half
Speaker 3: Wain favorite.
Speaker 5: Last week Head it's always inflating his team was only
Speaker 5: a two and a half way. So it's just like,
Speaker 5: come up with the facts. When when you're gonna throw
Speaker 5: a number out, just lie. We're clocking you, Nick. I'm
Speaker 5: clocking Nick Si around.
Speaker 2: His girlfriend wants you to know he's really not like
Speaker 2: this when it's just the two of them.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we're still behind base. All right, I
Speaker 5: am up. Here we go.
Speaker 2: You know, it's Thanksgiving. We're having a nice, fun preview show.
Speaker 2: Everybody's enjoying. Everybody's listening right now with a big smile
Speaker 2: on their face. Now the people behind the glass.
Speaker 4: Doing the show with us, Yeah, they home three minutes ago.
Speaker 3: Filled with rage.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna try to speed it up now, starting
Speaker 2: with our next game. I am picking, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I keep missing every week, Like wherever I'm drafting.
Speaker 2: When I'm at the top of a draft board, nothing good.
Speaker 2: When I'm at the bottom of the draft board. That
Speaker 2: both games get picked, let's see. I am up and
Speaker 2: I will grab Chiefs at Raiders. Not the best Sunday, Nope,
Speaker 2: And I find the Chiefs to be a deeply frustrating watch.
Speaker 2: But I also am kind of fascinated by what Andy
Speaker 2: Reid and Patrick Mahomes are gonna do to get out
Speaker 2: of this mess. It is an eight and a half
Speaker 2: point spread, and I do kind of owe the Raiders
Speaker 2: an apology because I thought that the Dolphins were gonna
Speaker 2: kind of bring them back down to earth.
Speaker 3: And while they didn't win the game, like we.
Speaker 2: Said, they kept it close and had multiple chances down
Speaker 2: the stretch to even potentially steal that game.
Speaker 3: So credit where credit is due.
Speaker 2: The firing of Josh McDaniels has really sparked this team.
Speaker 2: Antonio Pierce deserves a lot of credit and the rest
Speaker 2: of that team. Because those things to go two ways,
Speaker 2: it could also go the other way, where you stop
Speaker 2: competing and you get blown out by three touchdowns every week.
Speaker 2: The Raiders are in it to win it, or at
Speaker 2: least attempt to win it. So I would say the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: coming off a wildly frustrating loss to the Eagles, a
Speaker 2: game that they lost in five different ways, are gonna
Speaker 2: show up angry. And Travis Kelce coming off one of
Speaker 2: his worst games ever, is going to go off in
Speaker 2: this game, and Mahomes is gonna make it happen and
Speaker 2: make it rain points. But at this point I can't
Speaker 2: do it anymore. I can't just assume the Chiefs can
Speaker 2: turn it on. I've seen them do it maybe once
Speaker 2: this season. It was a first half, I believe against
Speaker 2: the Cardinals where they were kind of totally just cooking.
Speaker 3: And since then the Bears and they were even shut out.
Speaker 2: I think of the second half of that game or
Speaker 2: close to it, can that team show up again?
Speaker 3: Maybe, but it's also very possible. This game mark is
Speaker 3: twenty to fourteen in the fourth quarter, I.
Speaker 6: Could see that, like the Dolphins defense under like sorry,
Speaker 6: the Raiders defense with Patrick Graham running the show. You
Speaker 6: want to look at their offense post Josh McDaniels, you know,
Speaker 6: and it was really good at game A. Not so
Speaker 6: good against the Dolphins up and down, but their defense
Speaker 6: I thought gave Miami a lot of problems. If you
Speaker 6: take Tyreek Hill out of that game, I understand that's
Speaker 6: not how it works, but like they really caused. They
Speaker 6: coaxed two into some mistakes. They played with a lot
Speaker 6: more aggression. I just think that this team needed this change.
Speaker 6: I see the Raiders through new eyes, and the microcosm
Speaker 6: with the Chiefs is that they haven't figured out this
Speaker 6: overall global problem is with their passing game. But inside
Speaker 6: of like games itself, like they haven't figured it out.
Speaker 6: In the second half, they've scored one second half touchdown
Speaker 6: or one fourth quarter touchdown.
Speaker 3: They're in these close games and I'm with you.
Speaker 6: They're on the road here, and it's like, what's so
Speaker 6: different from a couple of days ago when Donna Kelce,
Speaker 6: like the most famous mom in America, is watching her
Speaker 6: son and the Chiefs melt down in a huge moment
Speaker 6: on Monday Night football.
Speaker 5: Well, I think the difference is, well, if the weather
Speaker 5: helps you know your indoors, but mostly that you're playing
Speaker 5: against Aidan O'Connell and that your defense showed.
Speaker 3: Me a lot on Monday night.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about that enough. How great that deal.
Speaker 2: Your defense is super Bowl level?
Speaker 5: Right, They didn't give up even despite all those possessions
Speaker 5: the Chiefs kept giving him. It was under two hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty yards, and that was to show me something
Speaker 5: game for the Chiefs defense too. Where Man, it's very
Speaker 5: much a sign of the twenty twenty three season. You
Speaker 5: think back to that Super Bowl and these two MVP
Speaker 5: candidates hurt some mahomes going up and down the field.
Speaker 5: That's twenty twenty two. Fast forward to twenty twenty three,
Speaker 5: and it's a defensive slug fest and the Chiefs are
Speaker 5: a legit, Like there's no more way around. They're a
Speaker 5: legit top five defense and that against a rookie quarterback
Speaker 5: who who's not bad but is little robotic going through
Speaker 5: his reads and everything. It's a lot to handle, and
Speaker 5: I just think they can wear you down because until
Speaker 5: that second half and even really the fourth quarter, it's
Speaker 5: like I was impressed that the Chiefs are moving the ball,
Speaker 5: they can run the ball, they're tough upfront, They're not explosive,
Speaker 5: but they I think they can find a way to
Speaker 5: be a fish and beat you know, relatively under man team.
Speaker 3: I would say the.
Speaker 2: One thing I am confident about is Kelsey and Mahomes
Speaker 2: getting back on the right page and maybe that leads
Speaker 2: to a big day and that that carries him because
Speaker 2: I don't think the Chiefs defense is going to give
Speaker 2: up a lot of points here. I think the Raiders
Speaker 2: could struggle to get to double digits or you know,
Speaker 2: two touchdowns could be asking a lot. So it feels
Speaker 2: like it sets up well for Casey to get right.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see because we know Watson ain't it,
Speaker 2: and we know Tony ain't it, and we know insert
Speaker 2: player here ain't it. Maybe Rice, like we've talked about him,
Speaker 2: like maybe that was kind of fun. Okay, I mean
Speaker 2: that's they got to use him in inventive ways to
Speaker 2: get the most out of him. But Rice, we've kind
Speaker 2: of all circled as maybe he the guy that needs
Speaker 2: to step up. Somebody does, or it's not gonna happen
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. Let's move on. Snakes to me, really
Speaker 2: not great. But you know, maybe even this one kind
Speaker 2: of sticks it to Greg. It's not a purpose, Greg,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure you wanted to watch it. Saints at Falcons.
Speaker 3: Great rivalry. That does stick it to me.
Speaker 5: These teams, you really wanted to watch it, because this,
Speaker 5: to me is a perfect Saints Falcons game.
Speaker 2: These teams hate each other, these fan bases despise and
Speaker 2: detest one a the other. There's nothing out of bounds
Speaker 2: between Saints fans and Falcons fans, and now they're fighting
Speaker 2: for first place in the NFC South. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what we have going on a quarterback situation for New Orleans,
Speaker 2: but what I do know is that Desmond Ridder is
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback in the plan now from Arthur Smith,
Speaker 2: genius of all geniuses, is that it is Desmond Ridders
Speaker 2: team for the rest of the year, and they will
Speaker 2: sink or swim with Ritter I have my theories what
Speaker 2: will happen, but we'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wasn't surprised by this, especially with Heinekee getting
Speaker 5: a little banged up before the buye, but it sounds
Speaker 5: like this was the plan all along, a reset Arthur.
Speaker 4: What are they just giving him a mental like rest basically.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that they want to make this thing happen.
Speaker 3: And look, it's year three.
Speaker 5: They haven't been to the playoffs, they haven't had a
Speaker 5: winning record with Arthur Smith.
Speaker 3: It is very rare. And Robert Sallas probably thinking about
Speaker 3: this too.
Speaker 5: For a guy to get a fourth year if you
Speaker 5: haven't made the playoffs or had a winning record, it's
Speaker 5: extremely rare. So he's putting his whole career on the
Speaker 5: line here for Ritter versus the Saints defense, which will
Speaker 5: be without Marshaun Lattimore, will be without Michael Thomas, and
Speaker 5: as Dan mentioned, Carr as we're taping Wednesday morning, is uncertain.
Speaker 5: He's still in the concussion protocol. But there's varying love
Speaker 5: of the bye. That's that's not a good true but
Speaker 5: sometimes that just me like if even sometimes it means
Speaker 5: you can practice and by the end of the week
Speaker 5: you're cleared.
Speaker 6: I'm not like I I know that there are bigger
Speaker 6: Derek car fans than me. That's overt, but like I'm
Speaker 6: not I'm not convinced that whether it's Car, Jamis Winston,
Speaker 6: that it's uh, there's that much of a gap or
Speaker 6: a chasm between the two.
Speaker 3: This year's version of.
Speaker 5: Derek Carr Man Saints fans are so tired of Derek Carr.
Speaker 5: They would agree with you, and they think they're getting
Speaker 5: the worst of Derek.
Speaker 2: Didn't.
Speaker 6: We sort of say this is probably what will be
Speaker 6: how you'll be feeling frustrated and agitated by now. But
Speaker 6: I but I also think if you got the best
Speaker 6: version of Derek Carr, that would not be the way.
Speaker 6: But it's like that he's not clicked with his offense.
Speaker 6: He hasn't even been Andy Dalton. And if anything like
Speaker 6: Jamis like the floor is insane, but the ceiling might
Speaker 6: be a little bit better if they get a little
Speaker 6: if you get a wacky, like high ceiling level version
Speaker 6: of Winston.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that. That's when my pushback comes in.
Speaker 2: They can't stand here and hear Derek Carr slander and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna go, what have you get?
Speaker 3: The best version of Davis Winston. There is no best
Speaker 3: version different. They're different, they're not jams, not better than
Speaker 3: the other, the just.
Speaker 2: Right, here's here's here's why they're kind of apples and
Speaker 2: apples even though they're different players. Derek Carr is Derek
Speaker 2: carrs Derek Carr is Derek Carr. James Winston is Jameis
Speaker 2: Winston and James Winston is Jameis Winston. It's always going
Speaker 2: to be a turnover fest with some high level throws
Speaker 2: mixed in. And if that's what you want, Saints fans,
Speaker 2: if you just want a little bit more of a
Speaker 2: roller coaster, I hear you, but be careful what you
Speaker 2: wish for, because everywhere that guy's gone, he's lost and
Speaker 2: he's lost his job eventually, so whatever you.
Speaker 3: Sign up for.
Speaker 5: But it's also like the difference is though one it
Speaker 5: made thirty is making thirty plus million a year and
Speaker 5: is guaranteed money to next year. So the frustration level
Speaker 5: with that that they should have known, Yeah, they should
Speaker 5: have known.
Speaker 2: Like it was, he was always going to be, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, an upgrade over Winston, but he was never
Speaker 2: the answer.
Speaker 3: Like he kind of just a bridge to something.
Speaker 5: He has this crazy combo car of both avoiding hits
Speaker 5: to an extreme degree by always getting rid of the
Speaker 5: ball too quickly and not going through his reads. And
Speaker 5: that's something that Winston will do get he'll give his
Speaker 5: playmakers chance. But then he also takes insanely difficult and
Speaker 5: massive hits. So it's sort of this weird combo that
Speaker 5: occasionally he just hold onto the ball way too long
Speaker 5: and he'll take a huge hit and he'll get her
Speaker 5: inside the pocket. The Saints are underdogs in this game,
Speaker 5: but only one point uh in Atlanta. This Falcons defense
Speaker 5: has quietly been disappointing, getting a little worse throughout the
Speaker 5: course of the season. I really think this is just
Speaker 5: a huge game for these two teams. I am annoyed.
Speaker 5: I am I'm annoyed. Now I'm honestly rethinking my draft strategy.
Speaker 5: Should I have taken this number one?
Speaker 3: Overall? I might have to work a trade.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll do a trade with you, I mean across
Speaker 5: you for freaking Saints Falcons.
Speaker 3: How how dumb is that? I don't know what did
Speaker 3: you say, Mark? I'm annoyed now you wanted it too?
Speaker 3: Took you took definitely wait Browns Broncos Pick one. You
Speaker 3: probably managed to ye.
Speaker 4: Pick one happened seventy seven minutes ago.
Speaker 3: So all right, you're up. I am up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I'll take the first uh Jaguars Texans Division Crown game
Speaker 5: of the week.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I feel pretty good forgot that that was there,
Speaker 3: bent yourself.
Speaker 4: A lot of internal monologue from Greg here, spout it
Speaker 4: out in the public.
Speaker 3: Well, I just you know that's it. I'll trade you.
Speaker 5: I'll trade you that game for Saints uh Falcons. No,
Speaker 5: now I feel differently. I'm just gonna just take the
Speaker 5: draft as it came, it was meant to be. I
Speaker 5: get to watch c. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud. Uh, he is an one and a half point underdog.
Speaker 5: Wow, if I had known that, Heck, I'm should we
Speaker 5: bring out the rain maker again?
Speaker 3: Let's not go that far. But I like the Texans
Speaker 3: in this. You know you're talking out loud, right. I
Speaker 3: like to bring the people in, bring them inside the mind.
Speaker 5: One and a half point favorites, Jack chic here, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go full full like Mourning Fox f s one show.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, just pose a question which you already know
Speaker 5: the answer to. Based on my question, it would you
Speaker 5: rather have c J. Stroud or Trevor Lawrence. Oh, because
Speaker 5: I'd rather have st I'm already taken him for his career.
Speaker 2: Has has Trevor Lawrence had highs that have approached c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud's highs? Yes, has Trevor Lawren. It's been in the
Speaker 2: league now for what this is his third year. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the first time where I'm this season where
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, maybe maybe he's not the generational talent
Speaker 2: that he was hyped up to be.
Speaker 3: It's really maybe he's just a good to very good quarterback.
Speaker 2: Do I think that Lawrence, if everything lined up right,
Speaker 2: as a super Bowl level quarterback?
Speaker 3: Potentially? Yes.
Speaker 2: Stroud, however, it has just been fantastic as a rookie.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like you almost have to go
Speaker 2: with Stroud. You almost have to Wright.
Speaker 6: I just for me because I think one thing that's
Speaker 6: a development that we didn't see coming that's pretty great
Speaker 6: for an AFC South that's been milk toast for a
Speaker 6: long time, is that for the next fifteen years, these
Speaker 6: two quarterbacks are going to go at each other like
Speaker 6: a Manning and Brady type situation.
Speaker 3: I think Welle Richardson gets to that mixup Richardson too.
Speaker 6: I'm not putting there yet, but I would say this,
Speaker 6: it's like whenever I pick between those two, I always
Speaker 6: was a brady guy. Like it's just how they make
Speaker 6: me feel, and like Stroud has changed the way I
Speaker 6: feel about the season, and I think Lawrence is awesome,
Speaker 6: but he's just traveled Orence to me, like I just
Speaker 6: I would I feel the way you feel about c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud and watching him play.
Speaker 6: I think it's so also so exciting that he just
Speaker 6: toppled the draft community in terms of the S two tests.
Speaker 6: Have talked about the ball that that's always been on
Speaker 6: my radar, and it's like we need to see players differently,
Speaker 6: and like c J. Stroud's response, like people like ours our.
Speaker 3: In fairness again, like a ton of people had Stroud first,
Speaker 3: Like I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 6: I understand that one number two overall, like our research
Speaker 6: packet asked, like ken c J. Stroud recovered from his
Speaker 6: three interception performance, It's like he already made that clear
Speaker 6: in the postgame comments. He's like, I'm gonna keep throwing
Speaker 6: the ball the way I do it, and like he
Speaker 6: was literally not affected by.
Speaker 3: All that A shot against the NFL. Reason it's just
Speaker 3: a topic.
Speaker 6: It's like he had his first really rough game turnover
Speaker 6: wise after in this hot streak, and it's like, I
Speaker 6: have full trust that he'll recover.
Speaker 3: It's a great game before we move on.
Speaker 5: Just like they take over first place in the AFC
Speaker 5: South Dan they win the Texans.
Speaker 3: That was quick. They're gonna win playoff games.
Speaker 5: And I and but they're two back if they lose,
Speaker 5: and they no longer have the tie break right work
Speaker 5: because they have split. So it's a huge, huge game.
Speaker 5: And the Jags, to their credit, really changed up what
Speaker 5: they did last week. They got a lot of criticism
Speaker 5: for Dink and Dunk and Deacon Dunk and they went
Speaker 5: heavy play action, the deepest targets they had all year.
Speaker 3: Help that say Jones was back.
Speaker 5: All of Calvin Ridley's big games have been with day
Speaker 5: on the field because then you can move really around anymore.
Speaker 5: So they were much more aggressive, way more play action.
Speaker 5: I think you'll see more of that. It was a
Speaker 5: little more of the Trevor you want to see.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good. It was a different Jags team.
Speaker 6: One quick thing, like because you know how you have
Speaker 6: the seventeenth game and they throw in like another division
Speaker 6: that you play. It's like the tick here was that
Speaker 6: the Jaguars got the Niners and got totally clocked, and
Speaker 6: the Texans got the Cardinals. I do wonder if you
Speaker 6: are the Houston Texans we're seen right now, would you
Speaker 6: have lost what was it, thirty four to three to
Speaker 6: San Francisco.
Speaker 4: I think they give him a better fight.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're losing thirty four to three degains anyway.
Speaker 2: But and this is why I hate that that Fox
Speaker 2: stuff sometimes, like Fox taking Astroy, because I still do
Speaker 2: believe in Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3: I just think it hasn't kind of come together this
Speaker 3: year the way it has.
Speaker 2: And also Stroud's on pace to throw for like five
Speaker 2: thousand yards and thirty touchdowns as a rookie.
Speaker 3: So there's just you can't go wrong with either one.
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a big test for them though, against a
Speaker 5: really good Jags defense too, so I'm not necessarily assuming
Speaker 5: it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: All all Rose this year.
Speaker 2: Here is, by the way, the research and notes, the
Speaker 2: full setup mark will rookie Phenom CJ. Stroud, the little
Speaker 2: little pop off the top rope. That's fair Hart bounce
Speaker 2: back after three. I nt game, but this is an
Speaker 2: important close against the NFL's most opportunistic defense.
Speaker 6: It's it's it wasn't a me versus the research packet
Speaker 6: like scenario. Okay, I just I said the answer I
Speaker 6: already had in my head. Yes he will, Yes, he
Speaker 6: even did in the last game.
Speaker 2: I think what they're getting across is that Jacksonville is
Speaker 2: aggressive and opportunistic and CJ like you throw the ball.
Speaker 2: Yes they use the word opportunity. Yes, they're aggressive tea
Speaker 2: that kind of has a they have a nose for
Speaker 2: the Ballmark, and that shroud is not.
Speaker 3: A frak I don't.
Speaker 6: I am not trying to confront an entire department here
Speaker 6: within the building. They do excellent work, and I you know,
Speaker 6: I use their pH.
Speaker 3: The guy and the trench coat's on the throat. No,
Speaker 3: just be careful here. All right, let's move on, Mark,
Speaker 3: You're up next. It's getting ugly.
Speaker 6: It's getting ugly, But I'm gonna go Pittsburgh at Cincinnati
Speaker 6: AFC North Track in that division like the most interesting
Speaker 6: division in football right now.
Speaker 3: I as much as c J.
Speaker 6: Stroud and the Texans make me excited for this season
Speaker 6: as a completely new story. What's happened to the Bengals
Speaker 6: is the worst thing that's happened to the entire league.
Speaker 6: We lost I think the MVP and Joe Burrow. We
Speaker 6: lost what I think could have been the AFC champion
Speaker 6: in the Cincinnati Bengals, And now you're in a world
Speaker 6: where Jake Browning is taking No. We don't know a
Speaker 6: lot about him. He looked pretty good in the preseason.
Speaker 6: I thought to some degree, he's twenty seven. The one
Speaker 6: thing I was just trying to read what people were
Speaker 6: saying about him in general, and it's like, is the
Speaker 6: offense gonna change?
Speaker 4: Are you gonna like they're saying, we're going to try
Speaker 4: to keep the same offense.
Speaker 6: I get that. It's like good luck, I know exactly
Speaker 6: I mean, But what little like little nuggets about how
Speaker 6: they feel about the person, you know, because you can
Speaker 6: feel this with certain quarterbacks and like over and over
Speaker 6: they're like, we just feel that this guy that the
Speaker 6: qualities he has, he's super common, super collected, and super confident.
Speaker 3: I know maybe that means nothing.
Speaker 5: To us, but he also did if better about it,
Speaker 5: better love the person because he has no resume and
Speaker 5: they went into the season.
Speaker 3: But I think they do. I think they do, and
Speaker 3: I also think it's the resumes. He's twenty seven.
Speaker 6: No. The other thing, though, I'd say, is like he
Speaker 6: if there's any benefit to the fact that, like Burrow's
Speaker 6: been so in and out of the lineup and missed
Speaker 6: a big chunk of time, is that he got more
Speaker 6: work with some of these players than he would have
Speaker 6: if he had been you know, Peyton Manning's back up
Speaker 6: back in the day and you don't even see the field.
Speaker 3: I know the numbers weren't great.
Speaker 5: It didn't look too big for him against Baltimore, so
Speaker 5: that was an early encouraging sign. But it's totally changed,
Speaker 5: you know how you look at the Bengals that they're
Speaker 5: underdogs in this game just by point, Steelers favored by one,
Speaker 5: and but the Steelers are a team again. They still
Speaker 5: haven't out gained anyone and they finally did it. They
Speaker 5: got rid of Matt Canada since we last.
Speaker 3: Talked named Canada, and uh, I get it, you.
Speaker 5: Wanted to make a change, but I was a little
Speaker 5: confused because their new offensive coordinator is not calling the plays.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is very It's one of these splits.
Speaker 5: Mike Tomlin is splitting the baby Mike Sullivan. I hate
Speaker 5: that is grotesque, right, I mean, they just he's just
Speaker 5: cutting that baby and has biblical I mean.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: It was what are they doing their cutting baby?
Speaker 2: It was like, this is my baby, it's my baby.
Speaker 2: And then and then they were like, all right, we'll
Speaker 2: split the baby down and then you can both it.
Speaker 2: And then one of the one person said no, no,
Speaker 2: never do that, and then they warded the baby of
Speaker 2: the person that said that.
Speaker 3: Don't do that. Don't split the man. That was a
Speaker 3: parable Thank you very much. That is that true? I
Speaker 3: think so. I mean it couldn't be up here for
Speaker 3: no reason. It sounds it makes me. I'll google it
Speaker 3: split baby Bible.
Speaker 5: Running Backs coach Eddie Faukner is the OC. He's organizing
Speaker 5: and he's kind of running the show. But Mike Sullivan,
Speaker 5: who you might remember back with the Giants back in
Speaker 5: the day, and I know he played college Greg.
Speaker 2: Has roots in Hebrew lore the job buddy, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: big spot for Rosenthal.
Speaker 5: Not aware of anything too religious or so you've got
Speaker 5: how I was raised and Mike Sullivan's calling the plays
Speaker 5: most of the plays, so that part's all a little confusing,
Speaker 5: but they wanted to change things up. People seem happy.
Speaker 5: Will that make Kenny Pickett any more inspiring? I sort
Speaker 5: of doubt it. But it's a nice matchup because the
Speaker 5: real issue with the Bengals, you know, trying to win
Speaker 5: games without Joe Burrow, is that the defense has been bad.
Speaker 3: They've given up more explosive plays than any team in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 6: There's a pretty crazy Kenny Pickett stat out there that
Speaker 6: he has a one point nine passing touchdown percentage. Obviously,
Speaker 6: badd he has six touchdowns on the year, which is
Speaker 6: no different than the Giants quarterback who's been there for weeks.
Speaker 4: That's the lowest percentage in NFL history.
Speaker 6: Like he's he's historically setting records for being unproductive and
Speaker 6: finding the.
Speaker 3: That's what I've been watching quarterbacks like him my whole life.
Speaker 3: For my team. He can't play. He can't play, and
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: If it looks better than some of those quarterbacks that
Speaker 4: can't play, though.
Speaker 2: But it's the same DNA where like, look at how
Speaker 2: many touchdowns the offense scores.
Speaker 3: They don't move, they don't consistently move the ball.
Speaker 2: The game on the line this past week, that just
Speaker 2: a grim three and out where it was a pass
Speaker 2: to the right that wasn't handled. Then he sailed one
Speaker 2: out of bounds to the left, and then he sailed
Speaker 2: one out of bounds to the to the right, and
Speaker 2: it was then they're punching it away and then the
Speaker 2: Browns win the game. And I just wondered, now, because
Speaker 2: Tomlin's obviously not going anywhere, nor should he now Canada's gone,
Speaker 2: how much longer does picket? Do we continue with this
Speaker 2: picket charade if you're Pittsburgh just when they can't. When's
Speaker 2: the last time they had four hundred yards in a game?
Speaker 2: Most like never under Canada.
Speaker 3: No, it was like eight like eons ago. So Canada's
Speaker 3: out back in the Hebrew times though, actually been running
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 2: Well if yeah, Larran's become a really nice surprise to him,
Speaker 2: like if if they don't start doing something now, he's
Speaker 2: next and he should be next, because you don't just
Speaker 2: get an infinite rope. Even as a first round pick.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he was a top five pick or anything.
Speaker 2: He was what a late first round guy like first
Speaker 2: little but the rope's not quite as long.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying, Nor should it be. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You guys believe him? No, I think he's just middle
Speaker 3: of the road.
Speaker 5: I've been on team this. This team would be better
Speaker 5: with Mitchell Trubisky as their start. But I don't think
Speaker 5: I'm not how much better and enough better that it
Speaker 5: would make a difference and potentially wins and losses.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I know, like Mitchell Trubisky, like within a within two weeks,
Speaker 6: we'd be Let's take ano little at Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a break before we finish a draft
Speaker 3: of First.
Speaker 2: The phrase split the baby has its roots and hebrew
Speaker 2: lore in the story recorded at One King's Three sixteen eighteen,
Speaker 2: of two mothers claiming before King Solomon that each was
Speaker 2: the real mother of an infant son. The wise King
Speaker 2: ordered that the baby be split in two, with one
Speaker 2: half of the baby going to each mother. The first
Speaker 2: mother's position was to accept the King's judgment is fair
Speaker 2: what a psychopath, and the seconds was not the mother.
Speaker 2: The seconds was to give the baby to the first,
Speaker 2: whereupon the king determined that the infant son obviously belonged
Speaker 2: to the second, as evidence by her willingness to sacrifice
Speaker 2: her own self interest for.
Speaker 3: The good of the child, as a true mother would
Speaker 3: the wise. Well, I think the first one just wasn't
Speaker 3: aware of how babies work. You know, she's a dummy,
Speaker 3: big old dummy. Yeah what half, No one's got a baby,
Speaker 3: So she was either a.
Speaker 6: Psychopath all moms were just assuming all moms are great,
Speaker 6: not true necessarily.
Speaker 4: Maybe it could have been the first but maybe, you
Speaker 4: know what, maybe the king got wrong.
Speaker 3: But mothers should all be treated with respect. Mark, I
Speaker 3: would agree with that. Good argument. There gotcha. All right,
Speaker 3: let's take a break and then we'll finish the draft.
Speaker 3: All right, let's close this thing up. Mark, next to you.
Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna take a disaster zone contest. Patriots
Speaker 6: a giant's uh. I want to watch a little Tommy
Speaker 6: de v doo. I think that's exciting. He's been sacked
Speaker 6: twenty times in three games. But ida he looked good
Speaker 6: last week.
Speaker 2: First of all, what was expected to what we're getting.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's you got to give it up for
Speaker 2: the Jersey boy.
Speaker 6: I would just say, though, how good do you want
Speaker 6: to look? Because these two teams are in contention. I mean,
Speaker 6: if you're Brian Daball and you get that first overall pick,
Speaker 6: like you can start to say, well, listen, now we're
Speaker 6: gonna do what I've been planning to do all along
Speaker 6: with a new quarterback. But I wonder, what if this
Speaker 6: is quietly like Bill Belichick's greatest coaching job, because taking
Speaker 6: all the strays and bows and arrows and like people
Speaker 6: are just like saying that he doesn't have it anymore.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of ages I'm going on, but he's
Speaker 6: quietly tanking and this week we're probably going to see
Speaker 6: multiple quarterbacks, if not just another terrible version of Mac
Speaker 6: Jones and you and you're the team that gets set
Speaker 6: in one pick, So it's like, what's your strategy here?
Speaker 3: Almost? I think if you're the do you want to
Speaker 3: that theory hole?
Speaker 2: That theory would only hold if he has assurances behind
Speaker 2: the scenes that he's their coaching.
Speaker 3: I just love you. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 3: so either.
Speaker 6: But what I even love the most is like if
Speaker 6: it were so deep state that they were like, let's
Speaker 6: cook up narratives that there's all this infighting and Craft
Speaker 6: and Belichick don't like each other, like let's just.
Speaker 3: Do a soft like Peyton manning out. Why would they
Speaker 3: need to add that, Like, what is that? I don't know,
Speaker 3: because it seems so.
Speaker 6: It's so because then when no one would believe the
Speaker 6: concept that they're actually just losing, oh as a cover
Speaker 6: for the ten, they're in disorder, They're in disarray.
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick is senile.
Speaker 5: No, I'm past giving Bill Belichick the benefit of doubt
Speaker 5: that he has some master plan to get the ball
Speaker 5: into the red zone and then mac Jones throws it
Speaker 5: a horrific pick. I can't believe mac Jones looks like
Speaker 5: I can't believe mac Jones looks like he's going to
Speaker 5: be the starter. He said in his new press conference today.
Speaker 5: He said, I think that's the plan. But he hasn't
Speaker 5: been told, but he thinks that's the plan because it
Speaker 5: sounds like he's taking most of the reps but not
Speaker 5: all the reps. It's just like, come on, bro, they
Speaker 5: are three points favorites. The Patriots are still three point
Speaker 5: favorites on the road, which is surprising to me.
Speaker 3: I know, I know Tommy DeVito is struggling.
Speaker 5: Oh but me and struggle last week? Okay, fair enough,
Speaker 5: and that the defense, you know, they got a front
Speaker 5: line that this is such a big game. So if
Speaker 5: the Patriots win this game, according to Seth Wilder at ESPN,
Speaker 5: they only have a nine percent chance of getting.
Speaker 3: A top two pick.
Speaker 5: But if they lose this game, it's up to thirty
Speaker 5: eight percent. It's a similar spread on both sides for
Speaker 5: the Giants. And if you really want to go crazy
Speaker 5: in terms of galaxy brain thinking, how about the Patriots
Speaker 5: try to win this game, the Giants keep losing, get
Speaker 5: Brian Dable fired, and then Bill Belichick's the Giants coach
Speaker 5: next year.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's like when Hugh Jackson traded Carson.
Speaker 6: He basically had the Bengals trade for Carson Palmer for
Speaker 6: the Raiders and then went back to the Bengals and
Speaker 6: had a bunch of draft picks.
Speaker 2: So wait, so Table gets fired, Belichick takes the Giants
Speaker 2: out and takes a quarterback, and then Dable goes and
Speaker 2: rejoins mcdermot's a OC and sticks it to the Jets
Speaker 2: and the Patriots on.
Speaker 3: Top of it, this is what you've brought us to,
Speaker 3: all right, Giants, rough one and and shout out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I said it on Sunday, but
Speaker 2: again every week Saquon Barkley is playing at a very
Speaker 2: high level and difficult circumstances. He had an incredible touchdown
Speaker 2: pass as you're watching.
Speaker 3: Here on the video show.
Speaker 2: Great job by Madison and company in the glass. So
Speaker 2: we'll see if he can keep it up. Three points
Speaker 2: spread that game? All right, Greg, you are up?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: I will I'll take the remaining Lake game because someone's
Speaker 5: got to It's Rams. It's Cardinals, you like, Oh, I
Speaker 5: love it. It's NFC West. This Cardinals team much more
Speaker 5: exciting with Kyler Murray. Although Josh Dobbs fun, so I
Speaker 5: take that back, but they've been competitive in two straight
Speaker 5: games with Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3: He's been fun to watch.
Speaker 5: The Rams are one point favorites on the road, and
Speaker 5: Fox has given it the old Chris Meyers Robert Smith treatment,
Speaker 5: which I believe means it's their least boring prioritize game
Speaker 5: of the week if that's fired there. But hey, the
Speaker 5: Rams just just win this game. You kind of own
Speaker 5: the Cardinals under Sean McVay and you're to five and six,
Speaker 5: and I didn't think Stafford played his best game last
Speaker 5: week against the Seahawks, but you found a way to
Speaker 5: escape if you remember the last time these two teams played,
Speaker 5: Kyra and Williams lit him up for one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty eight yards. We haven't seen Kyra and Willims since
Speaker 5: he's back in this game, and I think their running
Speaker 5: game showed some signs of life late in that game
Speaker 5: against Seattle.
Speaker 3: We might get Cooper Cup.
Speaker 5: It actually sounds like he has a decent chance to
Speaker 5: play this week to return despite that angle.
Speaker 6: That was a weird game because the Rams did I
Speaker 6: think they had like ten yards rushing in the first
Speaker 6: half and then lit him up. Williams came back and
Speaker 6: like they leaned into it. They kind of last week
Speaker 6: against Seattle did something similar on a smaller scale. They
Speaker 6: went heavy and like they started to brutalize Seattle on
Speaker 6: the ground and it kept them in.
Speaker 3: That game and they won it.
Speaker 6: And they I don't know, they had no business winning
Speaker 6: that game from some angles, but I think part of
Speaker 6: it for me with the Rams, like like I feel
Speaker 6: like with each contest, Matthew Stafford's taking some sort of
Speaker 6: like physical brutality and it's just like, is he gonna last?
Speaker 3: This season? In their line's been okay.
Speaker 5: I don't think they've had a they've improved quite a bit,
Speaker 5: I would say, and this is a nice matchup. The
Speaker 5: Cardinals defense does not get after the quarterback.
Speaker 4: Older Murray looks good on the ground.
Speaker 3: Let's keep moving, let's finish out this draft. I got
Speaker 3: two picks.
Speaker 2: We'll start with Carolina at Tennessee. Let's see, all right,
Speaker 2: So what do you have here?
Speaker 3: What do we got? Well?
Speaker 2: On the Panther side of things, you have a team
Speaker 2: that's just now trying to figure out how to put
Speaker 2: enough sunshine poking through the clouds where the head coach
Speaker 2: and the staff gets a second year. That is that's
Speaker 2: what we're up against now. And you start, I think
Speaker 2: feel like you're hearing some whispers now that is really
Speaker 2: in play with an impatient owner involved here. The Panthers
Speaker 2: are at their worst record through ten games since twenty ten.
Speaker 2: They finished and fourteen this year. That is certainly within
Speaker 2: the range of outcomes two and fourteen or two and
Speaker 2: fifteen this year.
Speaker 3: So they need to get something, some good news.
Speaker 2: And you know what, the Tennessee Titans, they have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to do something because Tennessee is not a very
Speaker 2: good team and we've been waiting greg for Will Levi
Speaker 2: is in this offense to give us some more fireworks,
Speaker 2: and then the waiting continues.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the team. I'm struggling to know what
Speaker 5: to say on a week to week basis. So I
Speaker 5: decided to reach out to our former producer, Justin Graver, Yeah,
Speaker 5: also host of the Music City Audible podcast, which you guys,
Speaker 5: music City Audible, Yes and wherever you get your potcort
Speaker 5: I said, I don't know what to say about this
Speaker 5: team anymore. Maybe I'll just until they prove that they
Speaker 5: have something interesting to say. I'll just go to Graver yeah,
Speaker 5: for a weekly statement. And so for this week, he
Speaker 5: has given me the let's get the missive. Let's get
Speaker 5: the missive that the Titans are undefeated at Nissan Stadium.
Speaker 5: Did you know their stadiums called Nissan Stadium?
Speaker 3: That was new not it's not great.
Speaker 5: Three and zero averaging twenty seven points per game, and
Speaker 5: they play five of their last seven games at Nissan Stadium,
Speaker 5: so maybe they can make a run here.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Justin Graver. You know what, let's I like this.
Speaker 2: I like this as a as a segment going forward,
Speaker 2: but you know what, I want to make it a
Speaker 2: video segment. Let's get it Let's get him to send
Speaker 2: us something every week until the season's over. Mercifully raise
Speaker 2: the bar a bit for Nashville's football club. Let's hit
Speaker 2: the final game the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: Turn it around, Bryce Young, Please, it keeps getting worse
Speaker 3: and worse.
Speaker 5: This is a good matchup. Please turn around, Bryce, because
Speaker 5: it is getting grim.
Speaker 4: Help him to getting grim. Frank Reig, Well, I think.
Speaker 3: The last three weeks were by far is worse three
Speaker 3: weeks since week one?
Speaker 5: Who's the play calling now? I lose It's right, Frank Reich.
Speaker 5: I just mean this is a good match brutalized, it's
Speaker 5: not playing well.
Speaker 3: Like, let's please.
Speaker 2: Finally, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers travel to Indianapolis to face
Speaker 2: the Colts, who kind of under the radar.
Speaker 3: I kind of assume the Colts were out of the mix,
Speaker 3: and then you look.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, the Colts are actually five and five, Like
Speaker 2: they're one of those teams that's in contention and and
Speaker 2: and fighting for a chance, and even you know, with
Speaker 2: the Jaguars coming back down to earth a little bit,
Speaker 2: it's the South is pretty wide open right now, and
Speaker 2: they're coming out of their bye week, so you kind
Speaker 2: of like admit it. Like everyone totally forgot the Colts existed, right,
Speaker 2: like they were just gone and we're like, oh.
Speaker 3: They're not until these bye weeks, especially especially they.
Speaker 5: Especially this team, and they were in Germany, they were
Speaker 5: they were off the continent in a game that was
Speaker 5: very forgettable.
Speaker 2: But they do exist. So they come back from the
Speaker 2: buy now and now you get the Bucks and you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say really about you
Speaker 2: know about it.
Speaker 3: These are the two teams. Games are both these games
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 6: I for a period of time thought we're the same person,
Speaker 6: you know, just but there they are such similar quarterbacks.
Speaker 6: I will say this about the Bucks, like they could
Speaker 6: not they got wrecked, wrecked against offense, but bigger in
Speaker 6: the in like what in their wide receivers they put
Speaker 6: up a fight, Like I I know. They're also one
Speaker 6: of these teams that are so average and so kind
Speaker 6: of tough to watch on a lot of levels.
Speaker 3: But they don't mind them. I don't like win that
Speaker 3: division at this point.
Speaker 6: I think they've got I mean, all those teams have
Speaker 6: a chance, but it's like they might like all those
Speaker 6: schedules are easy.
Speaker 3: But the Bucks to me, like and it's a Baker
Speaker 3: thing this year.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying he's had he's been better than worse,
Speaker 6: but he just does not give up in these games.
Speaker 6: I felt that in like in a lost cause against
Speaker 6: San Francisco, they kind of showed me something.
Speaker 5: The way you brought it up, Dan got me thinking,
Speaker 5: these are actually I think that the two teams that
Speaker 5: have the best chance to make the playoffs that no
Speaker 5: one realizes has actually a decent chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Because there's got to be a name for this game. Then,
Speaker 5: I don't know the Invisible Men Bowl. Let's do a
Speaker 5: little news housekeeping, because I did think it was noteworthy
Speaker 5: that the Colts release Jack Leonard this week. It's easy
Speaker 5: to forget before he had multiple back surgeries, which is
Speaker 5: I think really limited his effectiveness.
Speaker 3: He was on a Hall of Fame trajectory.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was the defensive rookie of the year when
Speaker 5: he came out twenty eighteen. He made three first team
Speaker 5: All Pros in one second team. And you mentioned Chris
Speaker 5: earlier in the show. And it's funny as some of
Speaker 5: these players age out or they're not quite the same players.
Speaker 5: That makes me sad too, because some of these players
Speaker 5: when they came into the league. I think of how
Speaker 5: excited Chris was and he was just really banging the
Speaker 5: drum for what a great player Shaq Leonard was and
Speaker 5: he really was. And it's sad it happens with injuries
Speaker 5: sometimes with these careers.
Speaker 3: They just changed me. He's not even on the team
Speaker 3: anymore and.
Speaker 2: Contract too, you know, from like personally, like my hero
Speaker 2: growing up was Don Mattingly. He was on a Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame trajectory and then a back injury derailed his career.
Speaker 2: Larry Byrd another all time back injuries are one of
Speaker 2: those type of injuries where it could just rob you
Speaker 2: of what makes you special.
Speaker 3: And it's sad, but that's what happens.
Speaker 2: And you give it up for Shack Leonard and it
Speaker 2: also was a look for him and maybe made the
Speaker 2: cults think twice. But him handing out the turkeys yesterday
Speaker 2: when made the rounds on social media with the Colts
Speaker 2: the day that he was let go just shows that
Speaker 2: he is he's a you know, obviously a good stand
Speaker 2: up person, but also maybe you know, heads up, hey, teams,
Speaker 2: this guy's a leader and a good dude, and maybe
Speaker 2: you give him a chance to get his career back
Speaker 2: on track.
Speaker 3: But the back injuries they rob you of greatness.
Speaker 6: I bet I'll get another chance. He got a chance
Speaker 6: on our shoulder in super Bowl week and was a
Speaker 6: great guest. That was back when we thought that he
Speaker 6: was going.
Speaker 3: To the Hall of Fame. I don't even know you
Speaker 3: may remember that, not at all.
Speaker 4: Its absolutely true way that he was on the show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely he was.
Speaker 4: It was when we were sitting on those couches. I'll
Speaker 4: never forget it.
Speaker 3: Jack Leonard, Yep, I'm with Dan. I am no recollection.
Speaker 3: This is wrong. Put a thousand dollars on it. Find me.
Speaker 3: There's no way to know for sure.
Speaker 4: So there is, and we will find out. Yes, there
Speaker 4: is a way.
Speaker 3: Then I won't take you on the bed.
Speaker 4: He was one of our like massive. It was one
Speaker 4: of these days where, like you know, rolling through.
Speaker 2: Like originally the thousand bucks would have been decided by
Speaker 2: majority vote here in the room.
Speaker 3: But now that you're telling me there's a way to
Speaker 3: know for sure, Yeah, I'm going to not take you
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't think you should. But he was a gentleman.
Speaker 3: That was my point, Turkeys. He's a great guest. He
Speaker 3: was very polite. I don't know turkeys everywhere. I feel
Speaker 3: like I would remember that, Greg.
Speaker 4: I feel like there are a lot of things that
Speaker 4: you acknowledge you don't remember.
Speaker 2: That is exactly the type of thing that I wouldn't remember.
Speaker 2: And I feel like Greg, it depends, you know, like
Speaker 2: we're headspace wise. But yeah, Greg usually is pretty sharp
Speaker 2: with these things as well. So well, there's just no
Speaker 2: way to know there is you could find the pod.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's up for debate.
Speaker 5: Furiously, I am looking for it right now. I can't
Speaker 5: couldn't find it when when I shoot, we'll see the bucks.
Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know if we mentioned it,
Speaker 5: are given two and a half points away. Very nice,
Speaker 5: that's about right. I think this is the toughest game
Speaker 5: to pick for the week. You know, maybe our listeners.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't decide on this one this week.
Speaker 2: It would be a really good gift on Thanksgiving is
Speaker 2: to give someone a whatever the team is personalized number
Speaker 2: eleven stap jersey for Thanksgiving this year.
Speaker 3: Like just when they show up eastraggling to find it.
Speaker 6: You completely lost me. All I'm looking for is that
Speaker 6: you get it. You have ten seconds to find it
Speaker 6: or I get the grand That is not how this
Speaker 6: works on any level. It must be based in fact,
Speaker 6: and I'll spend all weekend looking for it. I'll spend
Speaker 6: all Thanksgiving that youre looking for I.
Speaker 3: Mean, our listeners will find it if if it exists.
Speaker 2: All right, Yes, it is Thanksgiving this week, So happy
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to everyone, whether you're with your families or it's
Speaker 2: a friends giving type vibe, which is also a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. And enjoy all the football and know that
Speaker 2: we will be back. I think we kind of very
Speaker 2: quickly audibled, and we're going to do our Thanksgiving games
Speaker 2: recap on Friday. We're gonna do a record that early
Speaker 2: on the West Coast and get that out as soon
Speaker 2: as possible, and then we're gonna throw the Jets Dolphins
Speaker 2: into the Sunday night recap. So uh no double Friday
Speaker 2: podcast or we're not gonna hit all those games, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna have everything covered as we always do anything else.
Speaker 3: Boys, he's still well. First of all, you don't search
Speaker 3: Shaq Leonard. He changed his name then, so that's eight seven. Oh,
Speaker 3: I'll fight. What are you gonna do with your grand there?
Speaker 3: I'll find you're not getting a cinema either. Call Happy
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving
Speaker 6: H