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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we

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Speaker 1: roll through the Thursday edition of the program. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be joined. This is gonna be a really interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think David's wife, who has been covering so much

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Speaker 1: of the COVID controversies in an honest way, and I

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Speaker 1: believe New York Magazine correct me if I'm wrong on

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Speaker 1: that Alley. He has got a great piece out pointing

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Speaker 1: out a connection that I hadn't really thought about. The

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Speaker 1: universities that are most restrictive of free speech are most

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Speaker 1: demanding of COVID shot. And it's such an interesting combo

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Speaker 1: to think about again, the universities that are the most

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Speaker 1: restrictive of what can be said on the campus in

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Speaker 1: classrooms are the most militant about insisting that you get

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Speaker 1: the COVID shot and boosters in order to be able

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Speaker 1: to attend their university. Such an interesting window. Because the

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Speaker 1: Left in many ways has become so overarching and controlling

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Speaker 1: that they are attacking freedom in all directions. They want

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Speaker 1: to control what jokes you can make. They want to

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Speaker 1: control what opinions you can have, and they want to

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Speaker 1: demand simultaneously that they be able to control you when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the COVID shot, a completely unnecessary shot

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Speaker 1: for most people who are healthy and young. For instance,

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Speaker 1: in this country, that conversation, trust me, is gonna be

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Speaker 1: really interesting. At the top of the third hour, Senator

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Speaker 1: Josh Holly from Missouri will join us. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to hit this because I told you South Park, which

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Speaker 1: is one of the last fearless bastions of humor in

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Speaker 1: this country. They will ridicule and lampoon anyone in a

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Speaker 1: position of power, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity. Many of

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Speaker 1: their ridiculous commentary, much of it has actually been proven true.

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Speaker 1: Remember they were one of the first places to start

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Speaker 1: mocking the idea that a transwoman that is a man

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Speaker 1: could become a female champion in athletics. They were years

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Speaker 1: ahead of this becoming a reality. And I need to

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Speaker 1: tee off for a moment when I mentioned that, did

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Speaker 1: you see what US women's national team member Alex Morgan

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Speaker 1: said in the last day or so. I like Alex Morgan,

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Speaker 1: She's a talented women's soccer player. She's a mom now.

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Speaker 1: I think back in the day she did the SI

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Speaker 1: swimsuit issue really pretty good looking makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: money as an athlete because she's talented as an athlete

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Speaker 1: and also has that wholesome appeal. She came out the

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Speaker 1: other day and said that the US women's soccer team

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Speaker 1: should consider not playing in Florida and Texas because those

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Speaker 1: states require people to compete against the gender at their

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Speaker 1: birth and it was such a ludicrously dumb statement it

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Speaker 1: almost made my brain explode. Because the US women's soccer

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Speaker 1: team is the best women's soccer team in the world.

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Speaker 1: We win the World Cup all the time a large degree.

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Speaker 1: The reason why we do that is because women here

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Speaker 1: have freedoms, and most of the countries we play against

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Speaker 1: women don't have freedoms. When the Women's World Cup bracket

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Speaker 1: on the freedom that women have in those countries. It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be a big surprise that the US women are

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Speaker 1: better than the Afghan women. Yeah, they can go to

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Speaker 1: me that the US women don't come out and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's support women's human rights around the world. Instead, they've

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Speaker 1: allied themselves with the woke imbeciles in America. And so

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Speaker 1: Alex Morgan said, well, maybe we shouldn't even play in

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Speaker 1: because there would be, you know, US women's soccer team

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Speaker 1: women's soccer team lost to a group of boys fifteen

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Speaker 1: for the Women's World Cup, five to two. I believe

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Speaker 1: think about that for a minute. Fifteen year old boys

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Speaker 1: have no goal scoring opportunities. That's not hyperbole, that's not exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: If the US men went one hundred percent full or

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Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent normal. If we didn't require that,

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Speaker 1: like the Leah Thomas situation, where this dude who decides

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, how in the world has it become

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Speaker 1: so commonplace for women's athletes to be so dumb. They're

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Speaker 1: basically rooting for the erasure of women's athletics because these

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Speaker 1: trans dudes, these dudes who decide to become women are

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Speaker 1: going to if enough of them do it totally eliminate

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Speaker 1: all women's athletes because the men are bigger, stronger, and

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Speaker 1: So south Park was actually ahead of the curve in

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Speaker 1: pointing out the logical extension of this absurdity. And I

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Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you, I loved this clip that

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Speaker 1: but they're one of the few media outlets I wish

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Speaker 1: buck were here to hear this. To completely go after

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Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of Harry and Meghan complaining about getting too

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Speaker 1: much media attention by doing more and more interviews, more

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Speaker 1: and more reality specials, and certainly by Harry releasing his latest,

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Speaker 1: new best selling book. Here is a clip from south

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Speaker 1: Park absolutely eviscerating Harry and Meghan. Enjoy You've lived a

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Speaker 1: life with the Royal family, You've had everything handed to you,

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Speaker 1: but you're saying your life has been hard and now

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Speaker 1: you've written all about it in your new book. Where yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right, fans, you see my wife and I tolly

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Speaker 1: like you should write a book because your family, like,

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Speaker 1: stop it and then start like journalists. So you hate johnalists,

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Speaker 1: that's right, And now you wrote a book that reports

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Speaker 1: we just want to be normal people. All this attention

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Speaker 1: is so hard. Isn't it true, sir? That your questionable

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Speaker 1: celebrities and does fashion magazines. What do you say jesting? Well,

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Speaker 1: I just think some people might say that you're Instagram

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Speaker 1: loving bitch wife actually doesn't want to privee today? How

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Speaker 1: dare you, sir? My Instagram loving pitch wife has always

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Speaker 1: wanted there and do you know what else to how it? Kindada,

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Speaker 1: we are leaving? Oh my god, my Instagram loving bitch wife.

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Speaker 1: I just let me just point this out. Republicans have

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Speaker 1: a massive opportunity that I would have never believed was possible.

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Speaker 1: I'm writing this in my book, which is going to

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Speaker 1: be out in September. Would you have ever believed that

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Speaker 1: Republicans could be the party that says we like jokes,

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Speaker 1: have so lost their mind can we just clip, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that little part about my Instagram loving pitch wife,

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Speaker 1: that last little bit, because I if you didn't I

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Speaker 1: able to tell greatly the audio because there's a character

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Speaker 1: speaking as if he's Harry, and then there is the

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Speaker 1: So you might need to see the clip one hundred

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Speaker 1: Even beyond that, they think that the joke is violence

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Speaker 1: I've made this analogy before, It's in my book. If

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Speaker 1: comedians that they're offended by, and the media covers it

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Speaker 1: Your mind's probably blown a little bit, but it is

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Speaker 1: crazy to what extent we've allowed losers on social media

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Speaker 1: some of your calls and then we're gonna talk with

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Speaker 1: David's why he is going to be fantastic. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really interesting discussion about where freedom

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Speaker 1: from South Park, it's up on my Twitter account. You

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Speaker 1: How many of you out there right now had a dad, mom,

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Speaker 1: family's Thanksgiving or Christmas. How many of you have seen

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Speaker 1: in the eighties, back in the nineties. You know that

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Speaker 1: VHS tape is designed to disintegrate. It will not last forever.

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Speaker 1: And I want to start with something that I hadn't

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Speaker 1: All right, You right at places, and we've talked about

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Speaker 1: This was in the first week of May of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and I think those people now may recognize that was

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Speaker 1: the right thing, but they'll just simply rationalize it away

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Speaker 1: and say we didn't know, so, you know. And it's

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Speaker 1: very hard to argue with that without getting into a

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Speaker 1: whole long thing with someone. So I'm not sure of

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Speaker 1: the solution to this though. Yeah, well so. And here's

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Speaker 1: here's the question last for you. Talking to David's Wig,

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this yesterday on the show. I

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Speaker 1: may build on it here in a little bit. We

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Speaker 1: know that heart you know, issues are up thirty percent

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Speaker 1: heart deaths, heart attack deaths in people aged twenty five

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Speaker 1: to forty four. Are you concerned. You were right on

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Speaker 1: kids being back in school, you were right on masks,

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Speaker 1: you were right on many of the draconian policies out there.

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Speaker 1: Are you as concerned as I am about whether the

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Speaker 1: long range impact of these COVID shots may also be

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Speaker 1: another thing that is going to linger for a long time. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was one of the first people to write about

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Speaker 1: the link between meyer karditis and UM the COVID vaccines.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed the lead scientists from Israel, and I did

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Speaker 1: this for New York magazine UM way back when. So

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Speaker 1: I've been very concerned about you know, these um you know,

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Speaker 1: serious adverse events related to the vaccine. With that said,

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is it's going to be very

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Speaker 1: hard to keys out what is causing these things because

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Speaker 1: people are going to argue that it's COVID that caused it, right,

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Speaker 1: That's that's there, that's their lynch pen here. It's not

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Speaker 1: the COVID shot, it's the impact of covid infection exactly,

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Speaker 1: and it's basically impossible for anyone to prove one way

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Speaker 1: or the other. Of course, different researchers and different scientists

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Speaker 1: are going to produce different studies on this, but the

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Speaker 1: fact is, without like a proper, you know, separated pool

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Speaker 1: of people, everyone has had COVID just about and you know, what,

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Speaker 1: is it eighty percent or something more of the people

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Speaker 1: have been vaccinated. So at that point it's really hard

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Speaker 1: to tease out. And needless to say, I was talking

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Speaker 1: to a researcher I'm I'm friendly with um at one

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Speaker 1: of the top medical schools in the country the other

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Speaker 1: day and I said to where can you please run

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Speaker 1: a study where we look at the geographic distribution of

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Speaker 1: long COVID sufferers and then let's cross reference that with

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Speaker 1: the voting patterns. I'd be curious to see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and all that is that is to say that, like,

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Speaker 1: I know you didn't mention long COVID specifically, but and

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Speaker 1: I'm not minimizing for the people who genuinely are suffering.

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Speaker 1: But I think again, people are going to see what

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Speaker 1: they want to see, you know, needless to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: long COVID, in your theory, which I think is true,

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Speaker 1: is going to be far more common in the Northeast

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Speaker 1: and in California than it is in Alabama and Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, someone could argue, well, maybe part

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Speaker 1: of that is, you know, lack of diagnosis in some

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Speaker 1: of the other areas. But nevertheless, I mean, they're actually

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Speaker 1: and I make this point that this sort of idea

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Speaker 1: for a study only because we've seen from some of

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Speaker 1: the existing studies that have been done that they're the

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest indicators of long COVID is if

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Speaker 1: someone has anxiety about covid um. So again I'm not diminishing.

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Speaker 1: I think there genuinely are people really suffering from this,

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Speaker 1: But we also have to acknowledge, you know, some other

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Speaker 1: factors that may or may not be influencing things. So

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Speaker 1: just getting back to your thing about the you know,

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Speaker 1: the heart issues, we're we already can predict which person,

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Speaker 1: which people will blame it on COVID and which person

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Speaker 1: and which people will blame it on the vaccine. I

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Speaker 1: think we don't know. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: really hard to ever chease it out, but you know,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to see what happens. But you know,

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Speaker 1: with all that said, I mean this gets back to

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Speaker 1: the point of point of my article to some extent,

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Speaker 1: which is what we do know in my view at least,

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Speaker 1: is that healthy young people, particularly so who have already

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Speaker 1: been infected with COVID, there is not robust evidence that

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Speaker 1: they have any benefit of getting vaccinated, let alone you know,

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Speaker 1: triple quadruple dost at this point, and certainly no evidence

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Speaker 1: that this has a real, you know, epidemiological benefit like

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Speaker 1: that it's gonna you know, stop transmission. So it just

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Speaker 1: seems like an like it's an extraordinary moment that these universities,

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Speaker 1: particularly so many of these Ivy League universities, you know,

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Speaker 1: the most elite institutions in our country in my view,

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Speaker 1: have these policies that are just wildly divorced from you know,

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Speaker 1: a scientific or ethical basis. Fantastic work. You've been doing

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Speaker 1: it for a long time. We'll have you on again

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Speaker 1: when the new book comes out. I believe David's wage.

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Speaker 1: Pretty keep it up, my man, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: by Senator Josh Holly of Missouri at the top of

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Speaker 1: the next hour. He was just charged on stage by

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Speaker 1: a climate activist. We'll see how Senator Holly handled that.

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Speaker 1: He also probably gloat about his Kansas City Chiefs winning

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, I think he's gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to blow about that for years and years to come

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Speaker 1: because he's got Patrick Mahomes's quarterback. But we just had

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Speaker 1: a great conversation with David's wig there, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to encourage all of you to go read his

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Speaker 1: piece combining the fear of words that might hurt you

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Speaker 1: with COVID, a virus that might hurt you for young

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Speaker 1: people who are actually under threat from neither words nor

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Speaker 1: COVID on a statistical basis, and how that coddling of

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Speaker 1: the American mind is creating a generation that cannot handle

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Speaker 1: any kind of failure or conflict or frankly risk at all,

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Speaker 1: and what that might mean going forward. I also want

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Speaker 1: to point out I talked about this yesterday, thirty percent

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Speaker 1: increase in heart attack deaths in people aged twenty five

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Speaker 1: to forty four statistically proven. That is a fact. Why

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Speaker 1: why is that occurring? What he hit on is now

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Speaker 1: people are acknowledging that far more are dying of heart attacks,

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Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, this is the impact of COVID.

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Speaker 1: Why can't we have a study of people like me

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Speaker 1: who I know, I've had COVID at least twice. I

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Speaker 1: never got the COVID shot. I am forty three years

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Speaker 1: old right now. Am I under a great risk of

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Speaker 1: heart attack? Or would I be under a greater risk

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Speaker 1: of heart attack if I had had COVID and also

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Speaker 1: gotten the COVID shots, Because remember, almost everyone has had

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Speaker 1: COVID at some point at this time. We need a

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Speaker 1: study of people like me who never got the COVID shot,

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Speaker 1: and we need to compare it with people who got

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Speaker 1: the COVID shot, because almost all of us got COVID

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Speaker 1: to see whether the rate of COVID heart attack death

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Speaker 1: is higher for people who just got COVID like me,

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Speaker 1: or for people who got COVID and also got the

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Speaker 1: COVID shots. I think you know what my hypothesis would be.

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Speaker 1: I think the COVID shot made people more likely to

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Speaker 1: have heart attacks. I could be wrong. Why can't we

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Speaker 1: get that study and note for sure? Josh Hally next Senator,

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Speaker 1: keep hanging on a