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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Field

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Speaker 1: Shuttle Brooks, Jaguars Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst

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Speaker 1: and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and senior reporter JP Shatterers.

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Speaker 1: Where you little latest go on yours Jacksonville Jaguars Huddle

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Speaker 1: Up starts right now.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, welcome in to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: I'm John Oser from the High DAI Studios and Bucky

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Speaker 2: Brooks as usual in Los Angeles, And uh, the intro

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Speaker 2: is wrong, Buck, there is no JP shatter this week,

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Speaker 2: and so we'll buddle through. How about that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, how about that we have to go.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have the you know, see if we can

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Speaker 4: work without our teammate being unavailable today.

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Speaker 2: Well, the one thing JP does that I don't do

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Speaker 2: well is Reid's Bucky. You're a TV guy, so you

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Speaker 2: know about Reids. I've got to do a read here

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Speaker 2: off the top. This is to Huddle Up with Bucky

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Speaker 2: Fieldsauto dot com. Okay, that's our first read Bucky. And

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Speaker 2: now we're going to get into yesterday's presser with James

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Speaker 2: Gladstone and Liam Kone, and I will say, Bucky. Every

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Speaker 2: time these guys talk, it's more and more impressive to me.

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Speaker 2: And it's as much what they're saying or as their

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Speaker 2: demeanor their professionalism in it. And Gladstone opened up yesterday

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Speaker 2: with a joke about, hey, if I told you what

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Speaker 2: the number five pick was, nobody'd watch the draft. He

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Speaker 2: also talked about trading and setting his draft board, but

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Speaker 2: he did say he believes there are good players at

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Speaker 2: all positions throughout the draft.

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Speaker 5: Quite friend to think that every draft there ends up

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Speaker 5: being players that are very good at all positions from

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Speaker 5: start to finish. And I think that that probably doesn't

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Speaker 5: come as a surprise when you look at the most

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Speaker 5: recent drafts that I've been a part of, especially with

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Speaker 5: those Day three selections and even those undrafted college free

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Speaker 5: agents who in Los Angeles had played a high volume

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Speaker 5: of snaps and contributed in a significant way early in

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Speaker 5: their rookie contract. So yeah, I think there are some

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Speaker 5: public facing positions that everybody has a pretty good understanding

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Speaker 5: that are deep in this year's draft. But I don't

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Speaker 5: think there's a single position that we would label as

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Speaker 5: being without talent, and all of them can produce somebody

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Speaker 5: for us that would contribute it in a notable way,

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Speaker 5: fairly early in their rookie contract along the entirety of

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Speaker 5: the draft.

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Speaker 2: That's on me, buck I acted like I was going

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Speaker 2: to you, and we went to James Gladstone. He takes

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Speaker 2: precedent even on your show, he takes president. But what

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Speaker 2: do you think about this draft, Bucket? On the lines

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Speaker 2: of what he's saying. Obviously, any GM will tell you

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Speaker 2: that there's talent in every draft, you just got to

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Speaker 2: pick it out. How does this stack up with that?

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Speaker 4: You know what I think is interesting before I even

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Speaker 4: talked about the class. I think Gladstone's take, I would say,

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Speaker 4: may run counter to the way that some general managers

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Speaker 4: at the draft as as half empty a glass. Don't

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Speaker 4: appears to look at the glass half full, and he

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Speaker 4: appears to have a formula and a recipe. Given the

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Speaker 4: success that the Rams have had with I would say

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Speaker 4: mid to late round picks that works for them now

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Speaker 4: Over the next week or so, I think my job

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Speaker 4: that they've found that have allowed them to take Day

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Speaker 4: that level of experience in terms of how many snaps

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Speaker 3: Is it the redeeming qualities that they look for in.

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Speaker 4: that is. They have unlocked the code that has helped

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Speaker 4: that play. And it also helps that they are very adamant,

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Speaker 3: The young guys have to play.

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Speaker 4: So there's something about, hey man, we got to make

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Speaker 4: the Jacks are evaluating players in terms of the class.

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Speaker 4: Before we went on air, we talked about this class

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Speaker 3: You have like eight to ten elites.

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Speaker 4: You end up having anywhere from eighteen to twenty two

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Speaker 4: is different because I told you about the five elite

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Speaker 3: To me, those are the elite players. The guys that

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Speaker 4: Of that that we hear about in the top ten,

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Speaker 4: For those guys, I listen, I'm pretty confident that in

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Speaker 4: if that is what we're talking about, Like, hey, these

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Speaker 4: for them given the environment, the scheme and the coaching developed.

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Speaker 4: The coaching that will lead the player development that will

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Speaker 4: the character comes, the football character. That's where the work

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, I think most regimes,

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Speaker 2: though they've said it. Certainly from listening to Liam Cohen

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Speaker 6: It is exciting. I mean, like I mentioned last time,

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Speaker 6: definitely something we're going to lean into. The guys should

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Speaker 6: be excited about it. You know, you can continue to

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Speaker 6: when they're freshly in the league and really want to

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Speaker 2: And Bucky, let me ask you, coming out of that,

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Speaker 2: sort of plays into getting guys who can play right away,

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Speaker 2: same things. And it certainly sounds like Gladstone. You know,

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Speaker 2: certainly sounds like from listening to him, from talking to people,

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Speaker 2: he has pretty specific things that he's going to consider

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Speaker 2: a Jaguars player. It probably fits a lot of what

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Speaker 2: they considered Grams players. It would make sense because he

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Speaker 2: came from there. But how important can that be late

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Speaker 2: that help in terms of, Hey, maybe seventeen other team

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Speaker 2: we have the guts to take it in the fourth

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Speaker 4: That's how it should be, you know, like this should

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Speaker 4: never draft boards should be like snowflakes.

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Speaker 3: There should never be two draft boards that are exactly alike.

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Speaker 4: When you work for a team, you have very specific

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Speaker 4: been set forth by the owner in terms of like

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Speaker 4: the types of traits or values or things that are

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Speaker 4: terms of the traits and in tangibles that are important

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Speaker 4: to them. And then it comes to the skill set.

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Speaker 4: What I hear from Cohen and Glaston when I listen

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Speaker 4: coming out of college they haven't been I don't want

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Speaker 4: vets can have that impact while we're doing all this,

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Speaker 4: a collegiate system where it's been very much a dictatorship

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Speaker 4: for people, and you hear people say this all the time.

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Speaker 3: I want people that love it, not like it.

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Speaker 4: I want players that love the game, they love the

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Speaker 4: To me, it appears that and they haven't said this,

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Speaker 4: but it appears that the Jags are embracing more of

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Speaker 4: a blue collar, workmanlike approach, even though it may be

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Speaker 4: When Jim Harbaugh was at Stanford, they called it intellectual brutality.

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Speaker 4: So you had all the nerds playing in a very

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Speaker 4: tough and aggressive demeanor. I get a sense that there's

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Speaker 4: be packaged differently because at the top. Liam and James

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Speaker 4: Glavestone appear to be very cerebral, high IQ, high EQ,

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Speaker 4: that to convey into a team that is very old

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like that's sort of what the

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Speaker 2: I don't follow the Rams like I do the Jaguars,

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Speaker 2: McVeigh of being sort of this high flying modern offense,

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Speaker 2: when in fact they're more based on the run game

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Speaker 2: and playing off play action. And it's not until you

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Speaker 2: get into the game against and when we realize, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is what these guys do. So it feels a

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Speaker 2: little bit like that philosophically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the packaging may come off like they're all

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Speaker 4: it's an old school Chevy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And so that is the thing.

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Speaker 4: And I've always been a believer that the team should

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Speaker 3: So when we think about the city of.

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville, and we think about the blue collar nature of Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is fascinating to me, Bucky, because so

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Speaker 4: And so where loyalties and all that stuff can kind

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Speaker 4: Very impressive because it is easy to have strong opinions

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Speaker 2: It's easy to say. It's hard work to cipher, you know.

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Speaker 4: One of those things that right, there's there's a human

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Speaker 3: A scout is to operate.

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Speaker 4: Scared to be wrong, because if you're scared to be wrong,

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Speaker 3: And look, man, we all want to hit home runs.

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Speaker 4: Say, oh, we'll be good with doubles, but the home

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Speaker 4: And the key is, can you put your opinion out there?

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Speaker 2: Lets just do it? Well, you're a beach guy. It's

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Speaker 2: I all right, Bucky, Right now? What are they doing?

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Speaker 2: I said yesterday, someming next week is about a logistical

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Speaker 4: So now, because the guys you're in, you're putting the

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Speaker 3: We call it the clusterbuster.

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Speaker 4: But what you're trying to do is you're trying to

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Speaker 2: mess with your board, don't overthink it. What's your thought

437
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Speaker 2: on that? And uh, you know, and now, don't get

438
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: me wrong, I'm sure, I'm sure the board is it

439
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: is all been set and you're making some last minute decisions.

440
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Speaker 2: But where do you come down that.

441
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 4: I think what he's probably saying in terms of being set, Yeah,

442
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 4: it's always a work in progres until you get to

443
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Speaker 4: the very end. I would say that the board is

444
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: probably ninety to ninety five percent set.

445
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Speaker 3: There are a few decisions that they're that I'll say

446
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: ninety percent done.

447
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: This still probably a handful of decisions that you want

448
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 4: to make between players. And so, for instance, you may

449
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 4: have at number five, you may have three guys we're

450
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 4: talking about, and we'll just throw out names like let's

451
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: throw out Mason Graham, let's throw out Jalen Walker, and

452
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 4: let's throw genty, And so then you'll have this conversation

453
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 4: with the scouting staff on Okay, who do we like?

454
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 4: Who is just the biggest impact coaches? What's the plan

455
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 4: if we bring Mason Graham in here? What's the plan

456
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: if nil Walker comes in? What's the plan of genty?

457
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: Is to pick? Okay, how do we feel about that?

458
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: We're good?

459
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: Okay, So if this scenario comes up, how do we

460
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Speaker 4: rank them one, two or three? And you put it

461
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Speaker 4: down and someone is taking notes on all of this.

462
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 4: So now we get to those situations and all right,

463
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: fifth Pig Jags are on the clock.

464
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Speaker 3: Cool, there's no Hey, what are we doing?

465
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: Will we're good? Is everyone good with what we're doing? Hey,

466
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: let's get him on the phone and we make the move.

467
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: So there's some of those things that are going so

468
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: to me, he is right, the board is pretty much set.

469
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Speaker 4: You're just going through those last minute scenarios. Hey, what

470
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 4: if a trade pops up? What if the Atlanta Falcons

471
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Speaker 4: want to come up from fifteen to five and they're

472
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Speaker 4: willing to give us X amount? Okay, well we go

473
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Speaker 4: back to fifteen, and what are the players that we're

474
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Speaker 4: potentially looking at now that we move back to fifteen?

475
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 4: Do we feel good about those players? Are those players

476
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Speaker 4: impactful players?

477
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Speaker 3: Or no? Now we're just.

478
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 4: Moving to be more moving, and it's going to take

479
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Speaker 4: us out of running for a.

480
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Speaker 3: Player that could really impact us.

481
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Speaker 4: All of those conversations are what he's talking about, and

482
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Speaker 4: that's why the board is almost set.

483
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Speaker 3: The concrete is drying.

484
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Speaker 4: But it's not it's not quite hard yet.

485
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Speaker 2: He actually used that analogy. Do you favor a smaller

486
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: group of draftable players for a team, meaning you know

487
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: some guys will say, hey, we've got X number of

488
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 2: guys who were draftable and don't come off of that.

489
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Speaker 2: Do you think that numbers should be relatively small for

490
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Speaker 2: a team in terms of, you know, knowing the clusters

491
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Speaker 2: and within that cluster we have these guys we want.

492
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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it should be small.

493
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Speaker 4: So I've worked for teams where when you look at

494
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Speaker 4: the total number of prospects on the board, we would

495
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Speaker 4: try to limit it anywhere between one twenty five to

496
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Speaker 4: one fifty. But I would say the teams that are

497
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Speaker 4: really good and diligent seventy five.

498
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Speaker 3: To one hundred players.

499
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Speaker 4: Because let's be honest, John, everybody can't play for us

500
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 4: or should be a thing. Everybody's not a great fit

501
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: for us. Let's make sure that the people that we

502
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: have on the board are people that we legitimately want

503
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Speaker 4: to take.

504
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Speaker 3: That we don't take somebody that we like.

505
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: We took him, but he's not really our type guy,

506
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 4: but we felt compelled to take it.

507
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: Now, is that a matter of just you just got

508
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: to work to make sure that in the fourth round

509
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: where you're picking, you have a guy there, or do

510
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: you have sort of backup guys where Okay, if all

511
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: our guys are gone. We can live with this.

512
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 4: No what it should be if you pear to it.

513
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: When you get to that point, if one of your

514
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: guys isn't.

515
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: There, you trade out.

516
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: Okay, don't take a player that you don't love. Everybody

517
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: that you should take you should feel great about. And

518
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: when I talk about that, how we're ranking players. Remember

519
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 4: we talked about snowflakes and no two boards being alike,

520
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 4: and people don't grate people the same. Well, if we

521
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Speaker 4: put one hundred from one to one hundred, how we

522
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: great them the guys that we love, guys that fit

523
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Speaker 4: all of our things. Because remember it should be very

524
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Speaker 4: very hard to get on our board based on the

525
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: traits and intangibles and characteristics that we talked about on

526
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Speaker 4: and off the field.

527
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: There's only so many intangibly rich guys out there.

528
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: But right, and so when you put when you put

529
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Speaker 4: one hundred up there, John, well, then you know everyone

530
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 4: doesn't have those same So trust me, it sounds crazy,

531
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: but it always works out. If you only have seventy

532
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: five to two one hundred, if you put those guys

533
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 4: up there, they're always gonna be guys available when we

534
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 4: get to fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round. Those guys will

535
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: be there, and you're also going to have a small

536
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: board of what we call undrafted free agents, guys that

537
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: we may not have a draft of the grade, but

538
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 4: they have redeeming qualities that we'd like to bring them

539
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: into camp. They're always a handful of guys that are there,

540
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 4: but typically, in my experience that top one hundred, there

541
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: always be more than enough guys for you to pick from.

542
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: So let's get into it at five to close it out.

543
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I actually saw a draft last week

544
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: that had Abdul Carter slipping there. I hadn't even considered

545
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: that as a possibility. If you were doing a mock today,

546
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: who do you mock to the Jacks?

547
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: You know, it's really it's hard. We go to this.

548
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no, I'm saying, we go through this,

549
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: we do it so many different times or whatever to me,

550
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: deal would say, depending on is that and we're gonna

551
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: assume cam Ward is gone at one, Travis Hunter goes

552
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: at two. At three, the New York Giants have to

553
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: make a decision. I still believe that they take a

554
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: quarterback at three. I just can't imagine how they not

555
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 4: take a quarterback. But let's say the quarterback is gone.

556
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 4: So now you're talking about the New England Pages having

557
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: to make a decision between Abdell Carter and Will Campbell. Potentially,

558
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: let's say they take Abdull Carter. So now you're sitting

559
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: with the board right open. You have Will Camber, you

560
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: have Jenty, you have Mason Graham, you have Jalen Walker.

561
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: I still believe that Mason Graham is a.

562
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: Really good player.

563
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 4: He fits the need on the inside as a culture driver.

564
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: His impact, his demeanor, the way that he plays the game.

565
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: To me works for where he is now packaging.

566
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: It's not gonna look the part because people want him

567
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: to be like a superhero and adonnas in terms of

568
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: physical bill. But if we're looking at the tape, they're

569
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: not many guys that are better than him on the tape.

570
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: If we talk about the running back, and there'll be

571
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: some conversation about that. The running back. Remember I talked

572
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: about the five Elites, he's the elite.

573
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: Ram has done an elite. The only thing is how

574
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: good do you feel.

575
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: About taking a running back at five? If you feel

576
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: like the running back is Sakwon Barkley ish, if you

577
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: feel like the running back for Rams people.

578
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: Is Todd Gurley like offensive player of the year potential.

579
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: You take him and you live with it because everything

580
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: that they've talked about doing is helping the quarterback. The

581
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: one thing I know helps the quarterback is a strong

582
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: running game. When you have a dominant running game with

583
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Speaker 4: multiple backs that you can throw out, it eases some

584
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: of the pressure on Trevor Lawrence to have to carry

585
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 4: the offense. And let's be honest, we've never seen an

586
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: offense that wasn't number sixteen dependent.

587
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: I would like to see.

588
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: An offense that's not everything weighs on Number sixteen having

589
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: to play great every week. In a perfect world, we

590
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: need him to play grade five to six times a

591
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: year and then the team can carry us those other ten, eleven,

592
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: twelve games. I would like to see an offense that

593
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: has de capability.

594
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk on occasions, so if we talked about

595
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: this last week, forgive me listeners. I think it's tougher

596
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: to take a tight end at five than running back,

597
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: just philosophically, and maybe that's changing.

598
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't think.

599
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: I think if you go back and you look in history,

600
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: it's not worked out well for guys playing tight end

601
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: that have been taken in the top ten.

602
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Speaker 2: Well, don't mean I think it's harder. I have position

603
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: maybe more of a risk than a running back. Even

604
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: the running back gets sort of the the shade if

605
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: you will is hey, you can't take a guy that high.

606
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: So it's funny because I looked at in the last

607
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: ten years the running backs that have been taken in

608
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Speaker 4: the top ten. The only bust that you could really

609
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: talk about being a top ten running back. Of those guys,

610
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: it's like Saquan Christian McCaffrey is b Jon Robinson, it's

611
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: Todd Gurley, it's all these other guys. The only one

612
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: that you kind of could talk a little bit about

613
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: would be Leonard Fournette.

614
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be the only one at four, Zekiel Elliott.

615
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Speaker 4: All the other running backs that have been taken in

616
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: the top ten, they've been productive, They've worked and.

617
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Had moments about Even Leonard was productive out of the box.

618
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: So I mean it's right, yeah, And so when we

619
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Speaker 4: talk about that, I think there's a lot of fear, like, oh,

620
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: value because we become super smart with the analytics and

621
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: those things. But history tells you that if you take

622
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: a running back that high. It's unlikely then they're gonna

623
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Speaker 4: flame out.

624
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: It's just unlikely. It's unlikely that they're gonna do it.

625
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: Now, is your team ready to handle that?

626
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: That's the question.

627
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: But as a tight end, the tight end is more

628
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 4: dependent upon the quarterback and other stuff to do it.

629
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Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, when you look at the tight

630
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: ends that have really been dominant throughout George.

631
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Speaker 3: Kittle was a fifth round pick.

632
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey, I think was a third or fourth round pick.

633
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's improven that you don't have to.

634
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: Use that.

635
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: No, there's more non top fifteen great tight ends in

636
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: history than there are top fifteen. I mean that's not

637
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: even It's a very odd position like that. All right, Bucky,

638
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: I could do this all day. I know you don't

639
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: have all day, so we're not gonna do that.

640
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: But one day, one day, maybe you know what.

641
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: We'll have a marathon huddle up podcasts.

642
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, or maybe one day we just go live doing

643
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 4: an OTA session when everything is important. We just talk

644
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: about all things Jaguars while the OTA is going on

645
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: in the background.

646
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: Now know how much you love that.

647
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: So I would do that, except I'll be busy chart

648
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: and plays, so I really don't have time on those days. Buck,

649
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm all in on OTA. Bucky Brooks will be joining

650
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: us again next week on the final Huddle Up podcast

651
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: before the twenty twenty five Draft. Look forward to that.

652
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Speaker 2: JP Shadow will be back, Bucky, talk to you then,

653
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: all right later