WEBVTT - Katie Couric One-On-One With Vice President Kamala Harris 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.039 Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.240 It's hard to believe, but the twenty twenty four election 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.200 is less than a year away. What's even harder to believe, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:24.640 As Yogi Bear would say, it's deja vu all over again. Yep, 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.600 that's right, Biden versus Trump. We've been hearing a lot 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.680 about the Republican side of the campaign with the Iowa 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.479 caucuses and the New Hampshire primary and now Super Tuesday 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.599 is just over a month away, but we haven't been 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:45.440 hearing as much from the current administration. That's why I 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.920 was thrilled to jump on a train, brave the elements 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.880 and head to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building to sit 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.080 down with Vice President Kamala Harris. By the way, these 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.880 interviews can be very usful. She's an incredibly busy person, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.119 so they only gave me thirty minutes, and I had 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:12.520 a lot to cover, abortion, immigration, Israel, Gaza, the administration's 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:18.120 historically low approval ratings despite their many accomplishments, Trump voters 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.280 and some crucial voting blocks that don't necessarily think the 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.720 second time's a charm. First of all, thank you so 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.440 much for being here for agreeing to have this conversation. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.400 I'm very excited to talk to you about everything you're doing. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.040 Before we sat down, we both had a little something 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.959 we needed to clear up. Why did I think you 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.959 were much taller? I recently learned you're only five too. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:45.839 Is that absolutely incorrect? 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:46.319 Okay? 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.120 I am five four and a quarter. Okay, four and 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.240 a half and with heels, which I always around five 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:53.640 seven and a half. Thank you very much. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.480 Okay, Wikipedia, you're wrong, and we need to go on. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.840 I've said this to my team, like what, I don't 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.400 know where it came from. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.640 I was five to when I was twelve, they say 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.800 I'm five to one on my Wikipedia page by three 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.520 and three quarters right and shrinking. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.440 It's like, literally they just want to just make us 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:13.840 smaller in every way. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.400 I know, but I but I was excited because I'm short, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.000 and I was like, oh, kamalo. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.360 No, I am not. I am not just trying to 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.440 take two and a half inches off my you know. Correct. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:30.040 Yes, we started with a topic that's proving to be 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:35.000 a powerful driver for Democrats. I know that Vice President 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:40.120 harrisher embarking on a Reproductive Freedoms tour to highlight the 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:45.280 harm caused by abortion bands and restrictive laws following the 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.640 overturning of Roe v. Wade. This is an issue that 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.000 has resonated so much with Democratic voters and I'm curious, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.880 what is your goal as you travel around the country. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.840 Well, my my goal, my ultimate goal is that we 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:07.800 will build up the support to build and get a 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.120 Congress that will pass a bill to restore the protections 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.000 of Roe into law, and President Joe Biden will sign it. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.040 But then let's take a step back. So I'm starting 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.200 the We're naming the Fight for Our Reproductive Freedom's Tour, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.040 and it'll begin on January twenty second, which is the 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:31.680 fifty first anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision. And Katie, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.160 you know I mean you, and I'm going to speak 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.600 for you. I think I could im accurate most of 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.080 our adult or our conscious lives right when we were 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.160 able to be aware of what is happening in the world. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.600 Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.880 Row pass when I was in tenth grade, so. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.000 It was the law of the land for almost the 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.680 entirety of our adult lives. And you know, I'll speak 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.240 for myself now. You know I always pro choice pro choice. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:02.880 Whenever there was a moment where we had to speak 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.160 about the protecting role, would let us protect row. But honestly, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.680 I pretty much, I think most of us pretty much, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.080 we were pretty certain it would always be here. And 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.760 look what happened. The highest court in our land took 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.760 a constitutional right that had been recognized from the people 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.160 of America, from the women of America. And the day 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:33.560 that that decision came down, the world in so many 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.919 ways in terms of a lived experience for the women 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:41.680 of America changed in a drastic way. After the Dobs decision, 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:47.600 which undid ROW, came down, states around our country proposed 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:53.080 and passed laws that would punish women, criminalize health care providers, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.640 ban abortion in some cases, even in the situation of 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.040 rape or incess. As you know, I spent a lot 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.440 of my career as a prosecutor, and one of the 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.400 reasons I became a prosecutor of started to share the 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.560 story more. My best friend in high school, when we 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.400 were in high school, I learned was being molested by 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.200 her stepfather. And when I learned that, I said, well, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.800 you have to come and stay with us. I called 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.960 my mother. My mother said, of course, she has to 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.920 come stay with us, and she did, and so I 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.160 decided I wanted to do the work that was about 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:33.039 protecting women and children from violence. And the majority of 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.719 my career as a prosecutor was focused on crimes against 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.320 women and children. So bringing that back to the point 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.040 of no exception even for rape or ancest So these 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.640 extremist so called leaders are basically saying to a survivor 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.040 of a crime of violence to their body, a violation 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.640 of their body, saying to these survivors, and you don't 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.960 have the authority or right to make a decision about 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.680 what happens to your body next. That's immoral. That's immoral. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.440 And what I have seen traveling our country listening to 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.080 women who have been directly affected because of these laws 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:20.360 is the stories of women having miscarriages in toilets. Katie, 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.760 There's a woman in Texas who I've spent some time with. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:29.000 She and he her husband. She wanted to become pregnant, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:33.800 she wanted to have children, but her pregnancy then she 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.360 was having a miscarriage. She went to the emergency room, 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:42.479 she was denied care because the hospital workers were so 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.719 afraid that they might get sued or be committing something 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.799 against the law that they would not give her care. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.520 It was only when she went back because she had 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:59.480 developed sepsis that they gave her care. Women around our 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:07.839 country are experiencing a profound harm because of these laws 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.080 as a result of that Supreme Court decision, and many 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.240 of the stories are untold. Many of these cases are 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.920 women who are silently suffering. And the other layer of 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:24.480 this Katie that really should be addressed and understood is 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:30.080 how these extremists are framing the discussion in a way 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.320 that really is about judging women as though they've done 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:40.680 something wrong, something they should be embarrassed about. And as 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:46.000 we know, when people are already going through a moment 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:51.360 in their life where they need support, not judgment, and 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.720 where they then feel because of this environment that they've 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.560 done something wrong, they're going to silence the suffer and 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.520 they're going to fill alone, which is very disempowering. And 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:10.760 so when I travel our country listening to these stories, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.920 hearing these women and thinking about this issue and how 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.160 it is taking place in terms of the effect in 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:23.880 real time, I feel compelled to travel as I've been, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.720 to organize folks and talk with folks about why we 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.800 all should stand for these basic freedoms, the right of 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.320 an individual to make decisions about their own body. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:42.800 Pragmatically speaking, Man and Vice President, The composition of the 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.480 Supreme Court is unlikely to change anytime soon, it seems, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:53.120 So what can you realistically do? You were talking about 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.760 electing people to Congress and passing a law of federal 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:03.079 law protecting a woman's right to choose in the interim, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.679 are there any other things that can be done to 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.320 prevent these women from suffering the way they have been, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:17.960 and particularly in very restrictive states like Texas, Idaho, and Tennessee. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.120 Well, I'll start with what our administration is working on, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:27.679 which includes fighting for an informing states about the responsibility 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:33.520 to administer emergency care, the duty to administer emergency care, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.720 and so that is part of what we are doing. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.280 There is a law that the acronym is m Tala, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.080 but it basically says people cannot be denied emergency care. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.920 There is the work that we are doing to protect 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:52.160 access to contraception, which is a real issue here. There's 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.800 work I've been doing, for example, to convene university presidents 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.439 who of course have as the vast maj athority of 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.560 their student population. People who are in the height of 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.440 their reprotective years, to ensure that they are doing what 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.480 they can to protect medical records, to protect privacy, to 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:17.319 make allowances if, for example, a student has an unwanted 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.120 pregnancy and can't receive medical care in their state needs 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.000 to leave, which means miss time from class, to make 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.200 sure that that student is not punished because they had 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.520 to leave the state even though they would have preferred 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.800 to stay where they were. So this is some of 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.040 the work. The other work is around just talking with 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:42.560 people about the realities of it all, for example, pointing 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.760 out that I think we all agree that one does 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.120 not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.400 to agree that the government should not be telling her 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.160 what to do with her body. If she chooses, she 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.720 will consult with her priests or rabbi, her past or 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.480 you mom, but it should not be the government telling 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.960 her what to do. So there are many layers to 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.800 the work that I think needs to be done, including 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.400 reminding the individuals who are going through this right now, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.880 the women who are going through it right now, that 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.719 they're not alone, and that we hear them and we 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.080 see them, we do not judge them. And we want 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.760 them to have the support that they so rightly need. 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.040 I also think there's a lot of disinformation about late 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:34.560 term abortions, absolutely, and I think a lot of misconceptions 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:40.080 about that as well, that women are having abortions, you know, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.840 before their baby, you know, right before the baby is born, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:51.520 and these horror stories about that. How can you educate 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:56.679 the public that even rowe had restrictions on the third trimester. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:03.240 Well not only that, but let's just remember that before 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.959 the Dodds decision, this was not an issue that was 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:11.280 being debated about whether women were doing these things that 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.280 people are now describing as. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.280 Possible or partial birth abortion. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:20.280 And I just think that it is meant to distract 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.760 from the realities which is this and it's really basic 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:29.000 and fundamental. On one level, this is about taking freedoms away, 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.520 the freedom to make decision about your own body. This 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:38.240 is a question also of trust. I trust women. President 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.440 Joe Biden trusts women to be able to know what 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:47.720 is in their own best interest and then make good decisions. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.720 And by the way, and women trust us to know 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:55.480 we're going to protect and fight for their freedoms. But fundamentally, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.960 that is the issue, and I think there are many 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.880 people who want to do distract from that fundamental foundational issue, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.680 and I take it to a foundational issue in terms 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.080 of this is one of the main principles upon which 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.200 our country was founded. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.240 Do you think that this will motivate voters in November, 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.000 because I know it's shown that primarily referendum are referendu 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:26.360 that's a plural of referendum, right is what are what 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.720 motivate people to go and vote? And so how can 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.000 you I mean, I'm assuming that you're trying to encourage 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.640 people who feel strongly about this issue to go to 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.679 the polls come November. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:47.520 Because they can make a difference. Literally, this issue will 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.840 be ultimately determined about whether women have this freedom or 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:57.120 not because of elections, because of what will result from elections, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.600 which is elected leaders passing a lit to reinstate the 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.320 protections of freedom at the state level. Well, but ultimately 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.360 it's going to take the federal level because what we 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.720 see is state by state, you see different laws that 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.319 have been unleashed after the Dobbs decision. So we want 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.480 to go back to the law of the land being 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:23.680 a row. And I think that elections matter, Katie on 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.640 this issue in particular elections, they. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:35.960 Matter after the break Immigration the second most important topic 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:43.120 for voters after the economy. If you want to get 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.840 smarter every morning with a breakdown of the news and 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.920 fascinating takes on health and wellness and pop culture, sign 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.680 up for our daily newsletter, Wake Upcall by going to 0:14:52.760 --> 0:15:06.040 Katiecuric dot com. I want to talk to you a 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.560 little bit about immigration because I think just about everyone 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.080 and you have said as well, agrees that the immigration 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:20.200 system is broken and we need comprehensive immigration reform. Early on, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.920 I know you were tasked with understanding the root causes 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.520 of the immigration crisis, but you are not in charge 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.920 of the border, which I think is important to point out. 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.520 Having said that, fourteen House Democrats joined Republicans in denouncing 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:39.680 the Biden administrations so called open border policies, calling it 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.120 quote a national security and public safety crisis. And as 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.440 you know, I'm sure you've talked to them. So many 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.600 big city mayors Democrats are saying this is an untenable 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.920 situation in cities across the country. Sixty eight percent of 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.360 Americans disapprove the way the Biden administration has handled the border. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.280 So how do you address that have you done enough. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.600 There's no question our immigration system is broken and it 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:14.600 needs to be fixed. And as with any problem, then 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:21.560 leaders will participate, true leaders in the solution. So I'm 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.760 going to take you back to about three years ago, 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.239 and it was I think the day after our inauguration 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.560 when we came in, Joe Biden as president, me as 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.600 vice president. The first bill that we offered was a 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.760 bill to fix the immigration system. 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.440 And that's when you controlled both houses. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.760 And Congress did not take it up. And I will 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.920 tell you that this is, first of all, not a 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:54.800 new issue, but sadly it has become so deeply partisan 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.320 and the subject of then political gamesmanship, when in fact 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.880 the solution are at hand, and we offered a solution 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.800 early on and invited bipartisan work. Let's work on it 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.199 to fix this. And in fact, we have right now 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.960 a proposal for fourteen billion dollars so that we can 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:21.080 put more resources to address this very situation. And we 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.840 hope and and and are really trying to compel in 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.679 particular some of the Republicans in Congress to participate in 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.560 the solution. But sadly, you know, we want to fix it, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.440 they want to run on it they want a political 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.840 issue to run on in November. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.000 Well it's working, honestly, Well. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.879 I don't I think that. Listen again, I start, I 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.000 go back to where I started. The situation is such 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.080 that the system has broken and it needs to be fixed, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.280 and we have offered a solution, and real leaders ought 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.520 to lead on this, meaning not play politics with it, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.119 but work with us. 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.520 I think Senates the problem. Republicans I know are trying 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:02.360 to do that right. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.200 The challenge is going to be on the House side. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.760 Exactly, and they have linked legislation fixing the immigration crisis 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.480 to military aid to Ukraine and Israel, and military aid 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.520 those two allies desperately need. Is this immigration bill as 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:24.040 it currently stands, something that you all can support in 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.119 order to release that aid money. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.280 So it's a work in progress. So by the time 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.800 your listeners listen to this conversation, I don't know what 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.320 situation or status it will be in. But let me 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.400 just say this. We ought to be able to do 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.639 everything we are the United States, and that means fixed 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.439 problems such as what we need to do to address 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.240 the immigration system, and we must stand by our allies, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.280 and that includes giving aid to Ukraine which has been 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.920 the subject of a violation of one of the oldest 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.480 and most important rules and norms, which is the importance 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:05.000 of protecting sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:09.399 Russia's unprovoked aggression and attempt to use forced to change 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:15.159 borders the first war in seventy years in Europe, and 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:21.439 the United States must stand by our ally Ukraine on principle, 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.119 much less to stand strong about what is American leadership 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.800 to uphold international rules and norms. And by the way, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.240 I've now met with over one hundred and fifty world 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:38.040 leaders katie presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings, many of 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:43.639 them now multiple times they look to us to be 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.320 a leader on so many of these issues. I've been 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.199 in the Oval Office with the President, with President Biden 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.919 when he will get calls from world leaders asking for 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.400 perspective and advice or support. So when we talk about 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.720 the United States Congress on an issue like Ukraine or Israel, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.200 we should be able to do all of these things 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:07.920 and not put conditions on one in exchange for the other. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.359 Let's turn to Israel, because it's been more than three 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:17.560 months after the horrific attacks of October seventh. People are 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:23.760 seeing graphic images of devastation and thousands of civilian casualties 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.440 in Goss. I'm sure you're seeing them too, Yes, i am. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.479 Many people in your party, especially young people, have called 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.760 for a cease fire for months now, and I'm wondering 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:38.040 if you could articulate for us why you believe that 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.800 is not a good idea if you do believe. 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:48.240 That, So let's start with October seventh. On October seventh, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:56.520 we saw a terrorist organization Hamas commit an act of 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:03.080 sheer brutality and terrorism when they attacked and slaughtered over 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:06.600 twelve hundred people, innocent people, many of them young people 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:13.640 attending a concert. Women were raped horrendously. So not at all, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.640 it is all rape is always horrendous, obviously, but. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.840 The barbarism of the crimes. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.800 And rape as a tool of war, all right. And 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.600 so I will start this conversation by saying, and Israel 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:32.600 has a right to defend itself, we would, and how 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:38.440 it does so matters. We've been very clear that far 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:44.679 too many Palestinians, innocent Palestinian civilians, have been killed, and 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:49.120 that Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians. We've 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.800 been very clear humanitarian aid must flow from day one. 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.400 I will tell you one of my areas of priority 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.240 included let's think about the day after, because we must 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.119 stay focused on an eventual to a state solution. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.800 Well, having said that, I want to tell you something 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.880 which I'm sure you're well aware of. That BV Net 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:12.120 and Yahoo Prime Minister Net who recently said he rejected 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.159 US calls to scale back Israel's military action in the 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:20.600 Gaza Strip or to support a Palestinian state after the war. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:25.240 He even said that Israel quote must have security control 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.560 over the entire territory west of the Jordan River, which 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:35.400 includes Gaza. So given those positions, how can you possibly 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.040 come together? How can the US and Israel come together 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.800 to solve this? And should aid to Israel be conditional? 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.560 So I'll start with the principles that we are applying 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.960 to this discussion, which we have been very clear with 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.720 the Israeli government about one as it relates to the 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.959 day after. There should be no reoccupation of Gaza. There 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:01.440 should be no changing of the territorial boundaries of Gasa 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:08.040 that the Palestinians are entitled to in equal measure with 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:13.560 Israelis security and prosperity. 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.600 Doesn't sound like the Lynette now who agrees with that. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.560 We're the United States of America. I'm telling you our position, 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.560 and we take our role in this discussion very seriously. 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.720 There may be disagreements. That doesn't mean we're going to 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:30.000 change our mind about the principles that are important to 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:34.960 be applied to this process in terms of what a 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:40.639 day after should look like, and those principles remain consistent. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.399 We believe very strongly. I believe very strongly Palestinians are 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:51.120 entitled to dignity and self determination. We believe there must 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.399 be a two state solution for the sake of the 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.439 stability in the region. We believe very strongly, as a 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:02.600 first principle, Israel must be secure that Hamas and it 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.399 must not be in a position to commit terrorist acts 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.440 against innocent people or the people of Israel in particular. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.399 So should AID that and Vice President be conditional. If 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.560 the Prime Minister of Israel is stating this, should that 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.879 AID not come if there's not that kind of flexibility 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:25.840 that you're seeking. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.960 We are right now in a position of negotiating with 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.920 Congress to follow through on a commitment we made for AID, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.359 and we are taking it one day at a time 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.840 in terms of what is happening in the region and 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:40.920 how we are addressing the issue. But that's where we 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:41.560 are right now. 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.840 So I don't feel like you really answered my question. Well, 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:48.800 but do you think it should be conditional? I know 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:49.720 you're carrying. 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.040 Out that's about our position right now. 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:56.480 Not right now? Yeah, okay, I want to turn to 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.200 the accomplishments of the Biden administration. Good an infrastructure Bill, 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:06.600 finally the Chips Act, the Safer Communities Act addressing gun violence, 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:13.240 to name three legislative accomplishments. Low unemployment, millions of jobs created, 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.399 inflation down, the stock market up. You don't hear that 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.639 much from reporters, do you, in a form of a question? 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:26.480 And yet and yet you and President's Biden's approval ratings 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.760 are at historic lows. The President at thirty eight, you 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.640 at thirty seven. Why do you think that is given 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:36.639 what I just outlined. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.359 Well, first of all, if I listened to polls, I 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.520 would have never run for my first office, or probably 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.639 my second or third for that matter. So I only 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.560 put so much stock in polls. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:50.280 But it must be discouraging. 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.119 Well, no, here's the thing we have to we have 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:57.639 to earn the re elect. That is, without any question, 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.600 the right to be in a democracy. You got to 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:07.160 earn the reelect and so our job. You are correct, a. 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:11.000 We have historic accomplishments in terms of the economy, but 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.240 we've done to move forward. It's science, technology and investment 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.880 in the American workforce, growing the American workforce, rising wages, 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:25.080 bringing down prices. Historic work has happened, no question. It 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.360 is incumbent on us to let people know who brung 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.800 it to them. Frankly, because here's the thing, Katie, when 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.480 if you do want to look at polling, let's also 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.880 look at the fact that it tells us that if 0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.560 you ask people how they feel about the fact that 0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.600 we finally kept the cost of insulin for seniors at 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.800 thirty five dollars a month, hugely popular. If you ask people, 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.160 how do you feel about the fact that seniors too long, 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.919 too many had to determine whether they could fill their 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.720 prescriptions or fill the refrigerator. And now we have allowed 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.640