1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question. 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, but the twenty twenty four election 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: is less than a year away. What's even harder to believe, 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: As Yogi Bear would say, it's deja vu all over again. Yep, 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: that's right, Biden versus Trump. We've been hearing a lot 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: about the Republican side of the campaign with the Iowa 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: caucuses and the New Hampshire primary and now Super Tuesday 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: is just over a month away, but we haven't been 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: hearing as much from the current administration. That's why I 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: was thrilled to jump on a train, brave the elements 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: and head to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building to sit 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: down with Vice President Kamala Harris. By the way, these 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: interviews can be very usful. She's an incredibly busy person, 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: so they only gave me thirty minutes, and I had 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot to cover, abortion, immigration, Israel, Gaza, the administration's 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: historically low approval ratings despite their many accomplishments, Trump voters 17 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: and some crucial voting blocks that don't necessarily think the 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: second time's a charm. First of all, thank you so 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: much for being here for agreeing to have this conversation. 20 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to talk to you about everything you're doing. 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: Before we sat down, we both had a little something 22 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: we needed to clear up. Why did I think you 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: were much taller? I recently learned you're only five too. 24 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 2: Is that absolutely incorrect? 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: Okay? 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: I am five four and a quarter. Okay, four and 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: a half and with heels, which I always around five 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: seven and a half. Thank you very much. 29 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Wikipedia, you're wrong, and we need to go on. 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: I've said this to my team, like what, I don't 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: know where it came from. 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I was five to when I was twelve, they say 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm five to one on my Wikipedia page by three 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: and three quarters right and shrinking. 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: It's like, literally they just want to just make us 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: smaller in every way. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: I know, but I but I was excited because I'm short, 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, kamalo. 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: No, I am not. I am not just trying to 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: take two and a half inches off my you know. Correct. 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Yes, we started with a topic that's proving to be 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: a powerful driver for Democrats. I know that Vice President 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: harrisher embarking on a Reproductive Freedoms tour to highlight the 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: harm caused by abortion bands and restrictive laws following the 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: overturning of Roe v. Wade. This is an issue that 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: has resonated so much with Democratic voters and I'm curious, 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: what is your goal as you travel around the country. 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: Well, my my goal, my ultimate goal is that we 49 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: will build up the support to build and get a 50 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Congress that will pass a bill to restore the protections 51 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: of Roe into law, and President Joe Biden will sign it. 52 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: But then let's take a step back. So I'm starting 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: the We're naming the Fight for Our Reproductive Freedom's Tour, 54 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: and it'll begin on January twenty second, which is the 55 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: fifty first anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision. And Katie, 56 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: you know I mean you, and I'm going to speak 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: for you. I think I could im accurate most of 58 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: our adult or our conscious lives right when we were 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: able to be aware of what is happening in the world. 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Row pass when I was in tenth grade, so. 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: It was the law of the land for almost the 63 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: entirety of our adult lives. And you know, I'll speak 64 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: for myself now. You know I always pro choice pro choice. 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: Whenever there was a moment where we had to speak 66 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: about the protecting role, would let us protect row. But honestly, 67 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: I pretty much, I think most of us pretty much, 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: we were pretty certain it would always be here. And 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: look what happened. The highest court in our land took 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: a constitutional right that had been recognized from the people 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: of America, from the women of America. And the day 72 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: that that decision came down, the world in so many 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: ways in terms of a lived experience for the women 74 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: of America changed in a drastic way. After the Dobs decision, 75 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: which undid ROW, came down, states around our country proposed 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: and passed laws that would punish women, criminalize health care providers, 77 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: ban abortion in some cases, even in the situation of 78 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: rape or incess. As you know, I spent a lot 79 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: of my career as a prosecutor, and one of the 80 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: reasons I became a prosecutor of started to share the 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: story more. My best friend in high school, when we 82 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: were in high school, I learned was being molested by 83 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: her stepfather. And when I learned that, I said, well, 84 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: you have to come and stay with us. I called 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: my mother. My mother said, of course, she has to 86 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: come stay with us, and she did, and so I 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: decided I wanted to do the work that was about 88 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: protecting women and children from violence. And the majority of 89 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: my career as a prosecutor was focused on crimes against 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: women and children. So bringing that back to the point 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: of no exception even for rape or ancest So these 92 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: extremist so called leaders are basically saying to a survivor 93 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: of a crime of violence to their body, a violation 94 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: of their body, saying to these survivors, and you don't 95 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: have the authority or right to make a decision about 96 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: what happens to your body next. That's immoral. That's immoral. 97 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: And what I have seen traveling our country listening to 98 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: women who have been directly affected because of these laws 99 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: is the stories of women having miscarriages in toilets. Katie, 100 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: There's a woman in Texas who I've spent some time with. 101 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: She and he her husband. She wanted to become pregnant, 102 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: she wanted to have children, but her pregnancy then she 103 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: was having a miscarriage. She went to the emergency room, 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: she was denied care because the hospital workers were so 105 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: afraid that they might get sued or be committing something 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 2: against the law that they would not give her care. 107 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: It was only when she went back because she had 108 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: developed sepsis that they gave her care. Women around our 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: country are experiencing a profound harm because of these laws 110 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: as a result of that Supreme Court decision, and many 111 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: of the stories are untold. Many of these cases are 112 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: women who are silently suffering. And the other layer of 113 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: this Katie that really should be addressed and understood is 114 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: how these extremists are framing the discussion in a way 115 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: that really is about judging women as though they've done 116 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: something wrong, something they should be embarrassed about. And as 117 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: we know, when people are already going through a moment 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: in their life where they need support, not judgment, and 119 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: where they then feel because of this environment that they've 120 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: done something wrong, they're going to silence the suffer and 121 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: they're going to fill alone, which is very disempowering. And 122 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: so when I travel our country listening to these stories, 123 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: hearing these women and thinking about this issue and how 124 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: it is taking place in terms of the effect in 125 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: real time, I feel compelled to travel as I've been, 126 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: to organize folks and talk with folks about why we 127 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: all should stand for these basic freedoms, the right of 128 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: an individual to make decisions about their own body. 129 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: Pragmatically speaking, Man and Vice President, The composition of the 130 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is unlikely to change anytime soon, it seems, 131 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: So what can you realistically do? You were talking about 132 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: electing people to Congress and passing a law of federal 133 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: law protecting a woman's right to choose in the interim, 134 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: are there any other things that can be done to 135 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: prevent these women from suffering the way they have been, 136 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: and particularly in very restrictive states like Texas, Idaho, and Tennessee. 137 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: Well, I'll start with what our administration is working on, 138 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: which includes fighting for an informing states about the responsibility 139 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: to administer emergency care, the duty to administer emergency care, 140 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: and so that is part of what we are doing. 141 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: There is a law that the acronym is m Tala, 142 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: but it basically says people cannot be denied emergency care. 143 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: There is the work that we are doing to protect 144 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: access to contraception, which is a real issue here. There's 145 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: work I've been doing, for example, to convene university presidents 146 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 2: who of course have as the vast maj athority of 147 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: their student population. People who are in the height of 148 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: their reprotective years, to ensure that they are doing what 149 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: they can to protect medical records, to protect privacy, to 150 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: make allowances if, for example, a student has an unwanted 151 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: pregnancy and can't receive medical care in their state needs 152 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: to leave, which means miss time from class, to make 153 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: sure that that student is not punished because they had 154 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: to leave the state even though they would have preferred 155 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: to stay where they were. So this is some of 156 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: the work. The other work is around just talking with 157 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: people about the realities of it all, for example, pointing 158 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: out that I think we all agree that one does 159 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs 160 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: to agree that the government should not be telling her 161 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: what to do with her body. If she chooses, she 162 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: will consult with her priests or rabbi, her past or 163 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: you mom, but it should not be the government telling 164 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: her what to do. So there are many layers to 165 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: the work that I think needs to be done, including 166 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: reminding the individuals who are going through this right now, 167 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: the women who are going through it right now, that 168 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: they're not alone, and that we hear them and we 169 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: see them, we do not judge them. And we want 170 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: them to have the support that they so rightly need. 171 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: I also think there's a lot of disinformation about late 172 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: term abortions, absolutely, and I think a lot of misconceptions 173 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: about that as well, that women are having abortions, you know, 174 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: before their baby, you know, right before the baby is born, 175 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: and these horror stories about that. How can you educate 176 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: the public that even rowe had restrictions on the third trimester. 177 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: Well not only that, but let's just remember that before 178 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: the Dodds decision, this was not an issue that was 179 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: being debated about whether women were doing these things that 180 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: people are now describing as. 181 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Possible or partial birth abortion. 182 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: And I just think that it is meant to distract 183 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: from the realities which is this and it's really basic 184 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: and fundamental. On one level, this is about taking freedoms away, 185 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: the freedom to make decision about your own body. This 186 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: is a question also of trust. I trust women. President 187 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: Joe Biden trusts women to be able to know what 188 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: is in their own best interest and then make good decisions. 189 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, and women trust us to know 190 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: we're going to protect and fight for their freedoms. But fundamentally, 191 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: that is the issue, and I think there are many 192 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: people who want to do distract from that fundamental foundational issue, 193 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: and I take it to a foundational issue in terms 194 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: of this is one of the main principles upon which 195 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: our country was founded. 196 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: Do you think that this will motivate voters in November, 197 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: because I know it's shown that primarily referendum are referendu 198 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: that's a plural of referendum, right is what are what 199 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: motivate people to go and vote? And so how can 200 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: you I mean, I'm assuming that you're trying to encourage 201 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: people who feel strongly about this issue to go to 202 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: the polls come November. 203 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: Because they can make a difference. Literally, this issue will 204 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: be ultimately determined about whether women have this freedom or 205 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: not because of elections, because of what will result from elections, 206 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: which is elected leaders passing a lit to reinstate the 207 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: protections of freedom at the state level. Well, but ultimately 208 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: it's going to take the federal level because what we 209 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: see is state by state, you see different laws that 210 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: have been unleashed after the Dobbs decision. So we want 211 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: to go back to the law of the land being 212 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: a row. And I think that elections matter, Katie on 213 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: this issue in particular elections, they. 214 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: Matter after the break Immigration the second most important topic 215 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: for voters after the economy. If you want to get 216 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: smarter every morning with a breakdown of the news and 217 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: fascinating takes on health and wellness and pop culture, sign 218 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: up for our daily newsletter, Wake Upcall by going to 219 00:14:52,760 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: Katiecuric dot com. I want to talk to you a 220 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: little bit about immigration because I think just about everyone 221 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: and you have said as well, agrees that the immigration 222 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: system is broken and we need comprehensive immigration reform. Early on, 223 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: I know you were tasked with understanding the root causes 224 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: of the immigration crisis, but you are not in charge 225 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: of the border, which I think is important to point out. 226 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: Having said that, fourteen House Democrats joined Republicans in denouncing 227 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: the Biden administrations so called open border policies, calling it 228 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: quote a national security and public safety crisis. And as 229 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure you've talked to them. So many 230 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: big city mayors Democrats are saying this is an untenable 231 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: situation in cities across the country. Sixty eight percent of 232 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Americans disapprove the way the Biden administration has handled the border. 233 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: So how do you address that have you done enough. 234 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: There's no question our immigration system is broken and it 235 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: needs to be fixed. And as with any problem, then 236 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: leaders will participate, true leaders in the solution. So I'm 237 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: going to take you back to about three years ago, 238 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,239 Speaker 2: and it was I think the day after our inauguration 239 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: when we came in, Joe Biden as president, me as 240 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: vice president. The first bill that we offered was a 241 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: bill to fix the immigration system. 242 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: And that's when you controlled both houses. 243 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: And Congress did not take it up. And I will 244 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: tell you that this is, first of all, not a 245 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: new issue, but sadly it has become so deeply partisan 246 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: and the subject of then political gamesmanship, when in fact 247 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: the solution are at hand, and we offered a solution 248 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: early on and invited bipartisan work. Let's work on it 249 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: to fix this. And in fact, we have right now 250 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: a proposal for fourteen billion dollars so that we can 251 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: put more resources to address this very situation. And we 252 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: hope and and and are really trying to compel in 253 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: particular some of the Republicans in Congress to participate in 254 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: the solution. But sadly, you know, we want to fix it, 255 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: they want to run on it they want a political 256 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: issue to run on in November. 257 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: Well it's working, honestly, Well. 258 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: I don't I think that. Listen again, I start, I 259 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: go back to where I started. The situation is such 260 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: that the system has broken and it needs to be fixed, 261 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: and we have offered a solution, and real leaders ought 262 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: to lead on this, meaning not play politics with it, 263 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: but work with us. 264 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: I think Senates the problem. Republicans I know are trying 265 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: to do that right. 266 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: The challenge is going to be on the House side. 267 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: Exactly, and they have linked legislation fixing the immigration crisis 268 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: to military aid to Ukraine and Israel, and military aid 269 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: those two allies desperately need. Is this immigration bill as 270 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: it currently stands, something that you all can support in 271 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: order to release that aid money. 272 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: So it's a work in progress. So by the time 273 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: your listeners listen to this conversation, I don't know what 274 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: situation or status it will be in. But let me 275 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 2: just say this. We ought to be able to do 276 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: everything we are the United States, and that means fixed 277 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: problems such as what we need to do to address 278 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: the immigration system, and we must stand by our allies, 279 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: and that includes giving aid to Ukraine which has been 280 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: the subject of a violation of one of the oldest 281 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: and most important rules and norms, which is the importance 282 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: of protecting sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of 283 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: Russia's unprovoked aggression and attempt to use forced to change 284 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: borders the first war in seventy years in Europe, and 285 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 2: the United States must stand by our ally Ukraine on principle, 286 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: much less to stand strong about what is American leadership 287 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: to uphold international rules and norms. And by the way, 288 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: I've now met with over one hundred and fifty world 289 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: leaders katie presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings, many of 290 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: them now multiple times they look to us to be 291 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: a leader on so many of these issues. I've been 292 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: in the Oval Office with the President, with President Biden 293 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: when he will get calls from world leaders asking for 294 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: perspective and advice or support. So when we talk about 295 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: the United States Congress on an issue like Ukraine or Israel, 296 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: we should be able to do all of these things 297 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: and not put conditions on one in exchange for the other. 298 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: Let's turn to Israel, because it's been more than three 299 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: months after the horrific attacks of October seventh. People are 300 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: seeing graphic images of devastation and thousands of civilian casualties 301 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: in Goss. I'm sure you're seeing them too, Yes, i am. 302 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: Many people in your party, especially young people, have called 303 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: for a cease fire for months now, and I'm wondering 304 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: if you could articulate for us why you believe that 305 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: is not a good idea if you do believe. 306 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: That, So let's start with October seventh. On October seventh, 307 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: we saw a terrorist organization Hamas commit an act of 308 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: sheer brutality and terrorism when they attacked and slaughtered over 309 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: twelve hundred people, innocent people, many of them young people 310 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: attending a concert. Women were raped horrendously. So not at all, 311 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: it is all rape is always horrendous, obviously, but. 312 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: The barbarism of the crimes. 313 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: And rape as a tool of war, all right. And 314 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: so I will start this conversation by saying, and Israel 315 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: has a right to defend itself, we would, and how 316 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: it does so matters. We've been very clear that far 317 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: too many Palestinians, innocent Palestinian civilians, have been killed, and 318 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 2: that Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians. We've 319 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: been very clear humanitarian aid must flow from day one. 320 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: I will tell you one of my areas of priority 321 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: included let's think about the day after, because we must 322 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: stay focused on an eventual to a state solution. 323 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Well, having said that, I want to tell you something 324 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you're well aware of. That BV Net 325 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: and Yahoo Prime Minister Net who recently said he rejected 326 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: US calls to scale back Israel's military action in the 327 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: Gaza Strip or to support a Palestinian state after the war. 328 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: He even said that Israel quote must have security control 329 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: over the entire territory west of the Jordan River, which 330 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: includes Gaza. So given those positions, how can you possibly 331 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: come together? How can the US and Israel come together 332 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: to solve this? And should aid to Israel be conditional? 333 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: So I'll start with the principles that we are applying 334 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: to this discussion, which we have been very clear with 335 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: the Israeli government about one as it relates to the 336 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 2: day after. There should be no reoccupation of Gaza. There 337 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: should be no changing of the territorial boundaries of Gasa 338 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: that the Palestinians are entitled to in equal measure with 339 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: Israelis security and prosperity. 340 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like the Lynette now who agrees with that. 341 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: We're the United States of America. I'm telling you our position, 342 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: and we take our role in this discussion very seriously. 343 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: There may be disagreements. That doesn't mean we're going to 344 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: change our mind about the principles that are important to 345 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: be applied to this process in terms of what a 346 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: day after should look like, and those principles remain consistent. 347 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: We believe very strongly. I believe very strongly Palestinians are 348 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: entitled to dignity and self determination. We believe there must 349 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: be a two state solution for the sake of the 350 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: stability in the region. We believe very strongly, as a 351 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: first principle, Israel must be secure that Hamas and it 352 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: must not be in a position to commit terrorist acts 353 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: against innocent people or the people of Israel in particular. 354 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: So should AID that and Vice President be conditional. If 355 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Israel is stating this, should that 356 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: AID not come if there's not that kind of flexibility 357 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: that you're seeking. 358 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: We are right now in a position of negotiating with 359 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: Congress to follow through on a commitment we made for AID, 360 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: and we are taking it one day at a time 361 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: in terms of what is happening in the region and 362 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: how we are addressing the issue. But that's where we 363 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: are right now. 364 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: So I don't feel like you really answered my question. Well, 365 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: but do you think it should be conditional? I know 366 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: you're carrying. 367 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: Out that's about our position right now. 368 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Not right now? Yeah, okay, I want to turn to 369 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: the accomplishments of the Biden administration. Good an infrastructure Bill, 370 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: finally the Chips Act, the Safer Communities Act addressing gun violence, 371 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: to name three legislative accomplishments. Low unemployment, millions of jobs created, 372 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: inflation down, the stock market up. You don't hear that 373 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: much from reporters, do you, in a form of a question? 374 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: And yet and yet you and President's Biden's approval ratings 375 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: are at historic lows. The President at thirty eight, you 376 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: at thirty seven. Why do you think that is given 377 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: what I just outlined. 378 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if I listened to polls, I 379 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: would have never run for my first office, or probably 380 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: my second or third for that matter. So I only 381 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: put so much stock in polls. 382 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: But it must be discouraging. 383 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: Well, no, here's the thing we have to we have 384 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: to earn the re elect. That is, without any question, 385 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: the right to be in a democracy. You got to 386 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: earn the reelect and so our job. You are correct, a. 387 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: We have historic accomplishments in terms of the economy, but 388 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: we've done to move forward. It's science, technology and investment 389 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: in the American workforce, growing the American workforce, rising wages, 390 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: bringing down prices. Historic work has happened, no question. It 391 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 2: is incumbent on us to let people know who brung 392 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: it to them. Frankly, because here's the thing, Katie, when 393 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: if you do want to look at polling, let's also 394 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: look at the fact that it tells us that if 395 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: you ask people how they feel about the fact that 396 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: we finally kept the cost of insulin for seniors at 397 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: thirty five dollars a month, hugely popular. If you ask people, 398 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: how do you feel about the fact that seniors too long, 399 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: too many had to determine whether they could fill their 400 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: prescriptions or fill the refrigerator. And now we have allowed 401 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: Meta Care to negotiate drug prices finally, which means we're 402 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: capping the annual cost of prescriptions for seniors at two 403 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. They're not going to pay more than two 404 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year for their prescription drugs. Very very 405 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: popular if you ask students with debt, with students people 406 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: have graduated with debt or even haven't graduated, who have 407 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: caught debt from college or secondary school. 408 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: And he just announced today additional debt relief for. 409 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: We have now erased the debt of over three and 410 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: a half million people. Very popular if you look at 411 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: what we are doing that is right now active projects 412 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: in all fifty states. They are about upgrading roads and bridges, 413 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: repairing streets, and airports. Usually popular. And I you know, 414 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: if you drive down most streets in America, you'll somewhere 415 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: or another see some construction site or a crane up 416 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: that you can probably point to the Biden Harris administration 417 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: to know that that work is starting to happen because 418 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: we finally got the infrastructure work done. Previous administration kept 419 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: talking about infrastructure. We actually made it happen. So you're right, 420 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: we have a lot of accomplishments, and I think what 421 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: the American people want most in their leaders is that 422 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: we actually get things done. And we have done it, 423 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: we haven't taken adequate credit for it. Frankly, and we 424 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: got to do a better job of getting the word 425 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: out about what we have accomplished and who did it. 426 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: When we come back, Kamala Harris has a tall order 427 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: making sure Latino, Black, and young voters stay in the fold. 428 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: They have now met with over fifteen thousand students gen Z, who, 429 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: by the way, I think is a terrific generation. 430 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: I know you love gen Z. You said it on 431 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: the view Do you love gen Z? 432 00:28:51,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: I really do? 433 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: You do very well among young voters, among people of color, 434 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: both black voters and Latino voters. President Biden isn't doing 435 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: as well. In twenty twenty, he won young people by 436 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: more than twenty points, but now he's tied with Donald Trump. 437 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: And I'm curious you've been I think I think people 438 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: believe you're a good messenger to bring some of those 439 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: voters back into the fold to support Joe Biden and 440 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: not just Kamala Harris. How are you going to do that? 441 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: Well? Part of it is getting the heck out of DC, 442 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: which I've been doing. Fact, after the DOTS decision came down, 443 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: I decided to get on the road ahead of the 444 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: midterms and going to purple, red and blue states in 445 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: almost equal measure, talking with folks and listening to folks. 446 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 2: And I started then last fall college tour, where I 447 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: have now met with over fifteen thousand students gen Z, who, 448 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: by the way, I think is a terrific generation. 449 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: I know you love gen Z. 450 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: You said it on the view. Do you love gen Z? 451 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: I really do, because they it's a lived experience for them. 452 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: They've only known the climate crisis. Most of them have 453 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: endured active shooter drills between kindergarten and twelfth grade. They 454 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: during the height of their reproductive years, saw the court 455 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: take away an essential right for them. And so traveling 456 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: the country makes a difference to one listen, but to 457 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: remind people that they are being seen and that what 458 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: they do matters, including that they vote. And so I'm 459 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: going to keep doing that. 460 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: Are you worried that they're not going to turn out? 461 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that is so key to your reelection. 462 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: Well, like I've said many times, because it is a 463 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: mantra for me during election time, they're two ways to run, 464 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: either without an opponent or scared. You got to earn 465 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: it and you got to get out there and you 466 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 2: got to do the work. And I'm prepared to do it. 467 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't going to ask you a question 468 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's age, because, after all, Donald Trump is 469 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: just three years younger, and some people seem fixated on 470 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's age. But I wanted to ask you it's. 471 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: Because they have nothing to run on, Katie. 472 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Well, immigration now they're running on. 473 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: Too, which they could actually participate in fixing, right, and 474 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: so no, but really yeah, you know, so yeah, you're right. 475 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: They're running on immigration because they like having the problem, 476 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: so they can they can have an issue. But how 477 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: in fact we have offered them the ability to solve 478 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: it and they don't want to participate in that, right 479 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: in the solution. 480 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Right about immigration, but having you know, the age thing. 481 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Voters are concerned. I mean, according to almost every poll, 482 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: that is an issue. And I was curious to get 483 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: your take on this. Four years ago, I think it 484 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: was a rally in Detroit, then Canada. Biden was at 485 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: a rally with you, Corey Booker and Gretchen Widmer, and 486 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: I looked up what he said. He said, Look, Joe 487 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Biden says, look a lot, doesn't he He says, Look, 488 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else. 489 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. 490 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: They are the future of the country. And I wondered 491 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: when you heard that if you thought that was a 492 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: four year bridge or an eight year bridge. 493 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: I want to get to the heart of what I 494 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: think you're raising, which you've said is his age. So 495 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: let's talk about that. I spend a lot of time 496 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: with Joe Biden, be it in the Oval office or 497 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: the situation room, and I can tell you this is 498 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: someone who is tireless in terms of working on behalf 499 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: of the American people. To your point of knowing Joe Biden, 500 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,719 Speaker 2: he comes from a background and a place in his 501 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: heart and soul where he cares so deeply about working people, 502 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 2: about families. We talk about his empathy because he actually 503 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: is concerned about the suffering of other people and works 504 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: to alleviate that suffering. He is bold, and it is 505 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: because of all of that that we have been able 506 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: to pass transformational work, bipartisan work. When we've been able 507 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: to do it, a large part of it is because 508 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and I've watched him, sits in that Oval 509 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: office with the leaders on the two sides and helps 510 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: people figure out that compromise is actually a good thing. 511 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: Solutions are a good thing. I have been in the 512 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: Oval Office when heads of state from around the world, 513 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: in particular, our allies call up Joe Biden and ask 514 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: for his advice and he gives it. It is Joe 515 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: Biden who is, without any question, and leaders around the 516 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: world would admit it, the one who was able to 517 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: bring together NATO to support Ukraine. So this whole issue 518 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 2: that they are raising about his age is again because 519 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 2: they've got nothing to run on. And I just think 520 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: that we've got to get beyond this because I think 521 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 2: ultimately what the American people deserve is that their leaders 522 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: perform by way of solutions and uplifting the condition of 523 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: their lives. 524 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad you used that word perform, because I was 525 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: listening to something Hillary Clinton said recently about performative politics. 526 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a double right, and. 527 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: That people who are doing the hard work of the 528 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: nation's business are not performing. And I thought that was 529 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: such an interesting things with performing right, right right, perform Yeah, 530 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: are not performative exactly, And I thought that was such 531 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: an insightful observation because people doing the work, let's face it, 532 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: are not that entertaining. 533 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 2: But in the true sense of the word perform in 534 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: terms of are you actually doing anything. Joe Biden's getting 535 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 2: a whole lot of stuff done. First Chips and Science Act. 536 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 2: We're going to be investing in the future of technology, 537 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: competing on a global level. We have created over eight 538 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty new manufacturing jobs. We're bringing manufacturing back 539 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: to America. What we have done in terms of fighting 540 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: for things, well, you know, this is again where it'd 541 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: be nice to have a little bit more bipartisan support 542 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 2: to extend the child tax credit. In our first year, 543 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: by pushing it through, we reduced tow poverty by over 544 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 2: fifty percent. That's the kind of performing I think people want. 545 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: But how are you going to get that messaging out? 546 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 2: You know? The SEMs? 547 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but this alone, as much as I 548 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: would like to say the entire country listens to this 549 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: or watches this, it feels like that somehow that is 550 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: not getting through. That's what a lot of people for 551 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: I know you, and I know people like David Axelrodter like, 552 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: let's get going people. 553 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate where he's coming from. 554 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: In terms of we all know what's at stake, right, 555 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 2: we all know what's at stake on the other side 556 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: of this split screen, because let's be clear about it. 557 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: We talked about a lot of issues today, you and I, 558 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 2: most of which are not binary, like it's not one 559 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: thing or the other. These are complex issues November of 560 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four binary. And on the other side, you've 561 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: got someone who has said that if he were back 562 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: in office, he would weaponize the Department of Justice, someone 563 00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: who has openly applauded insurrectionists as patriots, someone who has 564 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: said that they will go after their political enemies and 565 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 2: applauds dictators, indicating that he would be one. So let's 566 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 2: be really clear about what's at stake. And then, yes, 567 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: of course, there is then a desire that let's get 568 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 2: out there because we can't lose this democracy. We can't. 569 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: And I agree with that passion. I am motivated by 570 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: the same passion. 571 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't want your staff to kill me. I asked 572 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: one more question. A lot of witnesses, if they do 573 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: they ask one more question, Steane, Okay, all rights. As 574 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, I said, they're witnesses. As a former prosecutor 575 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: and a general, I'm sure you're familiar with these ninety 576 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: one criminal indictments Donald Trump is currently facing or somewhat familiar, 577 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: And I'm curious, why do you think so many of 578 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: his supporters are willing to turn a blind eye to 579 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: those indictments and support him regardless. 580 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 2: Well, let's see if they do in November. 581 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: Do you think minds will be changed as these court 582 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: cases proceed. 583 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 2: I think that the majority of Americans who are going 584 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: to make the decision about the outcome of the election 585 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 2: want a leader who is competent and not someone who 586 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: invites and creates chaos. I think they are going to 587 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: vote for a leader who respects and protects the rule 588 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: of law, not someone who breaks it. I think they 589 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 2: want someone who actually understands that the real strength of 590 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: a leader is noted on who you beat down, but 591 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 2: based on who you lift up. 592 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: Does it blow your mind that people don't Some people 593 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: don't agree with that though, that They're like, we love 594 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: this guy, it doesn't matter. 595 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 2: I don't judge that. I don't judge that. I am 596 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 2: just telling you I know what is at stake, and 597 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: we are going to spend every day reminding the American 598 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: people of what we have accomplished and what will be 599 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 2: the impact of the selection, And it will be profound, 600 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: and it will be in many ways existential. 601 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: I believe, Madam Vice President, Thank you so so much. 602 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: Good to be with you. 603 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. 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