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Speaker 1: Well, you know what time it is. It's time for

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Speaker 1: another podcast, another episode of What Future, where I ponder

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Speaker 1: the greatest mysteries the mankind, the human kind, i should say,

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Speaker 1: has ever known, whereas human kind has man in it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to find a new word for that,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for everybody. Anyhow, as usual, I've been thinking about

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Speaker 1: the Internet a lot. The Internet as an object of mystery,

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Speaker 1: the Internet as a meeting point for the greatest minds

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Speaker 1: of our generation and also the worst minds of our generation.

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Speaker 1: Strangely enough, they're all there, just like in the real world,

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Speaker 1: just like I R L. Are all gathering, conversing, talking

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Speaker 1: about the days news and offering their viewpoints, all of

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Speaker 1: which are terrible, no matter who they are, all bad viewpoints.

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Speaker 1: I think we've all been there. I think you know

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Speaker 1: who you are. I certainly know who I am. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about the nature of the Internet and

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Speaker 1: the people who are on and frankly the people who

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Speaker 1: use it for profit. I don't know. I'd say for

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Speaker 1: say that anymore. And Uh, it got me thinking about

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Speaker 1: great journalists who cover influencer culture and the sort of

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Speaker 1: world of influencers that exist now, which is I think

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Speaker 1: has gotten It's quite diverse actually in a way, just

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Speaker 1: So that of course led me to think about the

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Speaker 1: journalists I know who are great at covering this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I thought of Rebecca Jennings, who is a senior

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Speaker 1: Internet that she is professionally chronicling every day. So Rebecca

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Speaker 1: Jennings has joined the podcast for a chat about the

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Speaker 1: future of influence. First off, thank you for doing this,

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Speaker 1: of course, I should say, I really appreciate it. By

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Speaker 1: the way, are you drinking red wine? Is that a

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Speaker 1: glass of red wine? I am drinking red wine because

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Speaker 1: let let me be clear, it is six pm, I'm

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Speaker 1: This is way too much information for what I'm about

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Speaker 1: to tell you. I grabbed a non alcoholic beer. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've made a horrible mistake going in. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to, but the time it would take for

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Speaker 1: So but I was been thinking about how there's so

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Speaker 1: much stuff to talk about with you that, so I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you doing it. How would you describe your

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Speaker 1: coverage beat? You're at a dinner party. You're seated next

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Speaker 1: to a person who's like, doesn't own an iPhone. They're

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Speaker 1: like a flip phone person. Yeah, no, I know you

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Speaker 1: I write about internet culture, and you know, you you

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Speaker 1: don't know this Kim Kardashian lady, She's she's one of

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Speaker 1: I'm trying not to use any like big buzzwords that

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting what you just said though, Actually, do

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Speaker 1: I just think that she's such a global icon. Like

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Speaker 1: mean I would also argue that, you know, Paris Hilton

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Speaker 1: people on Instagram, to the people. It's very democratic, it's

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Speaker 1: really very beautiful. Actually, it's we really like level the

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Speaker 1: talking about entertained. No, we don't. Well you did write

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Speaker 1: I'm learning so much. Sorry about haters. Can you set

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Speaker 1: so that might be the reason. But explain the hater

424
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: trend a little bit, could you. Yeah. So basically, there's

425
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of trend that's going around. I would say,

426
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: like TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, the fun apps where people are

427
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I'm a proud hater, you know,

428
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: like everyone says the haters, I'm a hater, like and

429
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: then I'm proud and you know, I'm spreading negativity, you know,

430
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: spreading positivity and spreading activity. I follow meme accounting there

431
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: like I'm in my hater phase or whatever, like hater era. Yeah,

432
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: villain villain and the hater era both used interchangeably. Yeah, okay, right,

433
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: I got it right, And so I did a piece

434
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: on how this is not necessarily it doesn't have anything

435
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: to do with the idea of like mass harassment campaigns

436
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: or hate groups, which are obviously very prevalent on the Internet.

437
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's there's a different, different kind of haters. Really, yes,

438
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: like they're both haters in a way, but not the

439
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: hater that we're talking about. We're not talking about like

440
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: hate crimes and like hate groups, right, I mean, like, okay, okay,

441
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: are people confused that these things are the same, because

442
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like you're talking about people

443
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: who like make fun of things, which is like what

444
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: these haters are posters? Yeah, yeah, like like making fun

445
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 1: of stuff, Like I follow this account. It's mid century modern.

446
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: What the hell is it called. It's like an Instagram

447
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: account that makes fun of like people who are into

448
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: furniture y M C M wholesale. I believe it's what

449
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: it's called I owned some of the furniture they talk about,

450
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: and they're like, basically like people who are into this

451
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: are stud bit and lame, you know, Like so they're

452
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: like that they're not hate groups focused on like you know,

453
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: destroying like an entire race of people or something. Correct,

454
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: we're talking about hating like dumb pop culture ship or

455
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: like influencer stuff, and not like the Jews. Sorry, no,

456
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: it's perfect, it's perfect. There's a real distinction. Feels so

457
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: gross saying that. No, no, it's it's you can't say

458
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: the Jews. It's really is problematic. It is really it's

459
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: not like the words itself are not are not offensive.

460
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: It's just there's hardly any context where they feel right.

461
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: And I say this as a Jewish person all the time, like, actually,

462
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I got called out on the podcast

463
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: recently some peoples like, oh really the Jews, okay, anyhow,

464
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: not to get off topic, but so these people are

465
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: just they're just disgruntled really more than any well I

466
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: would say, yes, but also not really at the thing

467
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: that they're talking about. But I think what really this

468
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: is a pushback against is this idea that, like all

469
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: internet discourse has to be inherently positive. It's very much

470
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: a pushback against like I mean, poptimism to use a

471
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: really dated term, but like this idea that, like, you know,

472
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: all YouTubers, even when they're really doing really shitty things,

473
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: they're just spreading positivity according to them. Right when, like

474
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: Logan Paul looked at that suicide, he was like, I'm

475
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: just trying to spread positivity. Was it Logan Paul or

476
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Jake Paul? It was Logan Paul. I hate that. I

477
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: know that you have to know it. This is your

478
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: whole beat. I don't know you didn't know it would

479
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: be would be shocking. I guess they were kind of

480
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit proto and entertain guys kind of sure,

481
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think the Paul brothers were good,

482
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: like pre Yeah, there's so many of these guys. Jordan

483
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: Peterson whatever. Oh yeah, he's like an elder statesman of

484
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: that kind of vibe, you know. Okay, Sorry, getting back

485
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: to the haters. They're pushing back against poptimism, which is

486
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: like a term from the Six Dies. I feel like

487
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I know that was cool. I was a communications major,

488
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: so I do know these words. You're doing a great

489
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: job of communicating it's all paying off because I'm like, honestly,

490
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: this is like just so much great information. So it's

491
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: a reaction to people being nice, is what you're saying, No,

492
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: people saying they're being nice but not being kind. I

493
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: guess it's kind of like, you know, what I would

494
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: I would compare it to is like the idea that

495
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: Southerners are nice but not kind and Northerners are kind

496
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: but not nice. And I think that expression sounds right.

497
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: I guess it means like people in the South seem

498
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: like they're being nice, but they're actually rude or mean.

499
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's like more that there's a culture of

500
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: like pretending everything's fine and good. And I totally, like,

501
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm very a big fan of politeness, so I totally

502
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: understand that culture. But I think there's a stereotype that

503
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, you know, are aren't very nice to your face,

504
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: but like mean well, um, and the culture is more like, hey,

505
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: let's bond over what we are complaining about, you know.

506
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's some truth to that.

507
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that, but I think it's more

508
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: like about time management than to be honest with you,

509
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Like I think it's New Yorkers don't really have time

510
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: to like waste cycles on like pleasantries. You know. I

511
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: think a lot of the time when a New Yorker

512
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: is interacting with you, it's because they're in a hurry, basically,

513
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: like I feel like, yeah, like, have you ever been

514
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: at a coffee shop that's outside of New York? And

515
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to get a lot of hate

516
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: mail for this, but have you waited in line at

517
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: a coffee shop in a non New York location? Yes?

518
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: People are so slow at doing things, it's insane. Well

519
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: it's their chatty and everybody's like taking their time, like

520
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: they don't have anywhere to be or anything else to do,

521
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: and it's it is like I kind of understand that

522
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: the expression. And then I don't know, I haven't spent

523
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: that much time in the South, But hold on, is

524
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: somebody refilling your glass off camera? Is it? No? Sorry,

525
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: my boyfriend just got home from the gym, and it's

526
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: like he refilled your glasses that current okay, but I

527
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: feel like your glass was like low and then got

528
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: it was like, well I do have a bottle of money. Okay,

529
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: that's more. What I was getting to is how did

530
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: you get more wine in yours? I guess, like, yeah,

531
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I guess if somebody refilling it off cameras suggest maybe

532
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I want to hear more about your boyfriend. But that's good.

533
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: He's working out, staying in shape. It's very important. We

534
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: do have a gym in our building. Not to brag,

535
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: but no, that's great. Wow, a gym in the building. Okay,

536
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: really a one per center over here? Yeah, cancel me.

537
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Probably a dorman. I do have a doorman. Okay, Well,

538
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: luck we've got a COVID deal. I'm not rich, it

539
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, luckily. You know you, like you said, you

540
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: don't feel like the haters can really do anything to you. Well,

541
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: it's funny because I'm very, very bothered by like people

542
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: who are normal saying something mean about me that that

543
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: hurts deeply. People who are Andrew tape fans. I do

544
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: not care what they say. So wait, when you say

545
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: people who are normal, let's see, I'm trying to think

546
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: of what that category looks like. Like people who don't

547
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: outwardly have like yeah, like you know, you look on

548
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: their you know, Twitter profile or something, and they're not

549
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: just like angrily tweeting at everyone that's their whole thing.

550
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: You know. I say that's healthy, that's really well adjusted.

551
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: So you're saying like, if a rational person says something mean,

552
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: that is obviously very affecting to you. Yes, yes, absolutely,

553
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: But do rational people ever say mean things to you online? Um?

554
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: I've had a couple and I remember them all really, Yes,

555
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Could you cite one? Oh god? Um, well

556
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: you did just claim to remember them, so I have

557
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: to heah. I Actually there's been times where I've worded

558
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: things pretty sloppily and people like rightfully called me out

559
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: for it, and I and I always remember, like I

560
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: still feel really guilty about that specifically, Could you tell

561
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: me one instance of this? Um, there was one time

562
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: where I made a tweet about like how I really

563
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: disliked the tone of certain Twitter conversations where people were like,

564
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: remember to drink some water. And I was like, this

565
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: feels so like infantilizing to me, Yeah, like condescending. Yeah,

566
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: And all I said was that, like, oh, I would

567
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: read like two thousand words on this tone, this particular

568
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: internet tone that you can really only find online. And

569
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, like I'm disabled and I need these

570
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: reminders to take my medicine or something, and I didn't

571
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: respond to that, but then a lot of other people

572
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: found the tweet and then started like piling on. And

573
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: then this one, you know, disability advocate who have like

574
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: I've read her writing, she's super cool. She was sort

575
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I don't think we should be

576
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: piling on her for like a poorly worded tweet, and

577
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you for saying that, Like I

578
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: really didn't mean anything by this at all, Like I,

579
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, have a d h D and like I

580
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: would never assume that, like you know someone with different abilities,

581
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: like you know that that's not what I was talking about.

582
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: That is the strange thing, though, isn't it Like there's

583
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: always this tweet that goes around or some version of

584
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: it where it's like you hold all this tension in

585
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: your back, remember to like relax your shoulders. And I

586
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: understand like there's an element to it where like people

587
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: are just trying to be helpful, like hey, take care

588
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: of yourself, but there is also like it does feel

589
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: sometimes like if it hits you at the wrong moment

590
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, you're kind of like, look, I don't need

591
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: you to tell me to relax. It's like when somebody says, hey,

592
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: relax or whatever, you know. Like, for instance, like when

593
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I get into an argument with my mother, which is

594
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: fairly often, um, she'll say in the middle of the argument,

595
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: she'll say, calm down, yeah, And I've said to her,

596
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: like I can't think of a worse thing to say

597
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: to a person when they're like fired up about something,

598
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: where you just are like completely like just flattening their

599
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: all of their arguments with like your overreacting basically, And

600
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a calm down sort of

601
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: nature to that, Like it's like I don't need you

602
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: to tell me to drink water or whatever. There's that,

603
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: but it's also just like this idea that like I'm

604
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: going to cleanse your timeline with a photo of my dog.

605
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't come on Twitter to see a

606
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: photo of your dog if I did have a separate

607
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Twitter account of just dog photos, or I could just

608
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: google dog. But I get it. That's sort of an

609
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: inside voice kind of thing, right, like like you to yourself,

610
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: you would like to the person to post the dog

611
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: you and be like I don't want to see your dog, Okay,

612
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I have more important ever say that, because obviously, I'll

613
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: look at a picture like I like dogs. I'll be like,

614
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: that's cute, like this idea that they're doing you a

615
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: favor by like tweeting. It's like you, I do think

616
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: it is on the same level as you're like, here's

617
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: a dog to cleanse your timeline, and you're like, I

618
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: find it annoying that you posted a picture of your

619
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: dog or whatever, like it's sort of like the water

620
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: fil But I when I want to cleanse my timeline,

621
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I want ship posts. I want disgusting memes that are

622
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: really like unintelligible, like weird memes, Like I don't know,

623
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: you want memes, unintelligible memes that are disgusting to cleanse

624
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: your timeline. Yes, I mean I get that. I do

625
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: understand that. I'll sometimes I'll have to unfollow a meme account.

626
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: Not they use like particularly graphic images where they just

627
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: have the images are just too weird for me, Like

628
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like this is too upsetting, Like I'm not

629
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: sure what's going on happened to me? I'm sorry. Yeah,

630
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: You're tolerance for it is probably a lot higher because

631
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: you're a You're a millennial. Are you not a millennial?

632
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Speaker 1: I'm wow, thank you that. It's really wonderful. If you

633
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: to say you think I'm a millennial, that's incredible. Millennials

634
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: now are like people will be like, I'm fifty and

635
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm a millennial. That person is not a millennial. Fifty

636
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: year olds are not. There are psychos out there. They're like,

637
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm actually like an elder millennial, Like, no, you're just

638
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: not Imber the other one. I'm a member of the

639
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Greatest Generation, also known as Janet jene X. The greatest generation,

640
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I believe is like my grandfather's generation. But I'm like

641
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: taking that because I think gen X has just not

642
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: gotten the credit it deserves. Although there's some horrible gen

643
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: extras too, So it's really, like you said, all these

644
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: generations are made up for marketing purposes, so it's really

645
00:33:47,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: not worth discussing. Getting back really quickly to the thing

646
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: you said about when you were a hater to the

647
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: person who was telling people to drink water, it is

648
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: interesting how quickly we can go on the Internet from

649
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: your relatively innocuous statement, which like you did you actually

650
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: even tweet to the person, Like did you retweet them

651
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: or something? No, it wasn't really about one specific tweet

652
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: rights an idea. It was just sort of like this tone.

653
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: But I think what I was, what I was saying

654
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: was that, like, you know, the thing that kind of

655
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: stuck with me is that, you know, this person who

656
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: agreed with the people who were mad at me, but

657
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: also like could see my point of view, like they

658
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: were sticking up for me in a way, but they

659
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: were also like, you know, she worded it clumsily, and

660
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, okay, maybe I did word that clumsily.

661
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: But then when I apologize, I was like, thank you

662
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: for saying that. I really didn't mean it that way.

663
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Then I got even more hate from like people who

664
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: were like, of course she's using her own disability in

665
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: order to likeelf from ablesm accusation. But here's the thing,

666
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: like what you said, I mean, I don't know how

667
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: you worded it, but it doesn't sound to me like

668
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: it could have been targeting people with disabilities. Was it

669
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: targeting people with disabilities? Where you like, no, it was

670
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: about this certain tone that used on Twitter where it's

671
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: like it's literally the same tone as like cleansing your

672
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: timeline with a picture of a dog, Like it's just

673
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: it's a condescending. It's a condescending tone. It's condescending, it's infantilizing,

674
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: and it's also presumptuous. And here you are doubling down

675
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: on your cancelable statement. But here's the thing that I

676
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: find so fascinating, which is like, there's always well, I

677
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: will describe them as a Debbi downer. Laura and I

678
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: talked about this all the time. There's always someone like,

679
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: no matter what the news is, no matter what the

680
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: tweet is. Like I say this like a lot about

681
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: Like it's like the person who's like complains about needing

682
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: a new wallet after finding out they hit the lottery

683
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's sort of on the spectrum of that

684
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: sense of it's like you could say anything, you like,

685
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: it's my birthday, and then somebody like you know ten

686
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: replies down and be like some of us don't have

687
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: birthdays or whatever. You don't like You're like, I don't like.

688
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to address that, but it is

689
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: weird to me. And I think probably one of the

690
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: greatest signs that Twitter should have never been invented and

691
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: should be destroyed that you can think something and then

692
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: you tweet it, because that's how it works, right, you go,

693
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: I have this thought and then you put it out

694
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: into the world, and then immediately another person can think

695
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: something and tweet it back to you. The way you

696
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: describe the situation that spiraled into like we have to

697
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: cancel Rebecca Jenny, like right, like it spiraled into a

698
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: cancelation situation for you basically where like a mob of

699
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: people were like really mad at you for being ablest

700
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: I think is what I'm hearing, which is definitely not

701
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: the initial intention. And I'm not trying to be like

702
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm not like Joe Rogan or anything like, I'm not

703
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: trying to be like cancel culture. I'm just seeing it's

704
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: sucking insane that that we can have an exchange like that,

705
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that that's healthy. Like you must

706
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: see this all the time. It's I mean, I'm surprised

707
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: that you seem as healthy as you seem, because, like

708
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: you said, like it's kind of rough out there. But

709
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: do you ever think like I gotta get out of this,

710
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: like I gotta stop first, Um No, I don't. I

711
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: What I see, honestly is the beauty and the breadth

712
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: of the human experience. I'm genuinely serious, like No, that's

713
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: like I like, I feel like half the time what's

714
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: weird is like seeing all of TikTok try to shunt

715
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: themselves into one or more like very specific categories, whether

716
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: it's like a self diagnosis or just like a label

717
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: of some kind, and then the rest of the Internet

718
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: is just like showing me how how vast the human

719
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: experience really is. And so I think I'd like to

720
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: exist at a happy medium between those two things. Wow.

721
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean I had to tell you I had like

722
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: a lot of other questions. We're not going to get

723
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: to all of them, and in fact, like maybe we

724
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: should just end with therapies. I know now I want

725
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: to know the other questions. Oh my god, Well, I

726
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: mean they were all you know, No, we I want

727
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: you had to tweet about I want to talk about

728
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: bootcut jeans is what? Or bootcut pants is what. I

729
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: feel like you tweeted about bootcut? Did you not tweet

730
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: about I was just looking through Twitter and I was

731
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: thinking about how much I hate bootcut anything, and I

732
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: think you were like, you're into bootcut or whatever and

733
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: more than anything where it was me. Maybe you retweeted

734
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: somebody who was saying about bootcut bootut pants. When was this?

735
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just make that up, I think so.

736
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to you think you have low rise jeans? Oh,

737
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: low rise that's what it was. Yes, yeah, No, low

738
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: rise jeans are back, That's what it was. Low rise

739
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: jeans are ones that are very very low below the waist.

740
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Is that the idea? Yeah? Also horrible? Also horrible for

741
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: for people generally speaking? Okay, how do you feel about

742
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: boot cut jeans? In that case? Since we're on the topic, UM,

743
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: I pretty much only wear either like wide leg or

744
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: like kind of many flares. Um, many flares. That's like

745
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: a kind of a boot cut, like a crop flare.

746
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: What is a crop flare? It's like one that hits

747
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: just above your ankle bone and like flares out a

748
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: little bit. Is this making the second time I brought

749
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: this up recently? I'm very upset about the rise of

750
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: any boot cut stuff coming back into fashion. Crop flare

751
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: so wrong about boot cut. I feel like that's a

752
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: timeless style. I don't know, I don't know. I actually

753
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: the reason I asked about your your fashion blog, which

754
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: you didn't want to talk about an issue, you can

755
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: talk about it. I'd love to promo it. No, because

756
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you have a Yeah, because you have an article which

757
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: is everybody's dressing like me? Yeah. And I noticed that

758
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: you have a picture of yourself which is a Getty

759
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: photo from two thousand eleven, and it's some kind of

760
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: fashion event and you're wearing a hat, which is a

761
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: very strong Do you wear hats a lot? I am

762
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: a hat person? You have perhaps every day in the

763
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: fall slash winter. Not everybody's a hat person, And it

764
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: is a bold and strong statement to be a hat person.

765
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: I just want to at person and a banks person,

766
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: which as a lady, that makes me almost a unicorn.

767
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: But like, isn't that Like then you can when you

768
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: have a when you decide to have a a huge

769
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: shift in your in your fashion situation, you can just

770
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: cut your bangs and stop wearing hats, and then it's

771
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: a whole new world for you. Well, the thing is,

772
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I do not ever shift my fashion. I've dressed the

773
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: same way for the last decade plus. So do you

774
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: have photographic evidence of that? Could you produce, for instance,

775
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 1: a decade of photos of you dressing exactly the same? Yes? Okay, great,

776
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: I'd like to you should blog about that. What was

777
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: the trend that people are dressing like you what is that?

778
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: What do you call that? So basically, like every time

779
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: colder weather comes around, and then in the Northeast, I

780
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: always forget that this was like not relatable for people

781
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: that don't live in this one specific area. So I'm sorry,

782
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: but this is You're gonna get canceled for this because

783
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: you're so like Vermont centric or New York Australian seasonal

784
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: time so offensive. Basically, every time like the fall comes around,

785
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: people start wearing sort of like back to school clothes.

786
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: And my kind of uniform for you know, since I

787
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: was in college maybe a little bit before, has always

788
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: been you know, tights, miniskirt, turtleneck, beret for or we'll

789
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: coach little little loafers. I've wren that, you know, since

790
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: I was nineteen, and I wear it now at thirty.

791
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Is this like an Emily in Paris outfit? I've seen

792
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: maybe one episode of Emily in Paris, but I feel

793
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: like she would dress more interesting than that. I've never

794
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: watched the show, so I don't know. It just feels

795
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: right to me to say that, Well, sure, like the beret, yeah,

796
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: but like I'm not saying that my style is unique

797
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: at all, and I in fact say it's quite basic,

798
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: but it's every girl dresses this way once this first

799
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: like October early November wave of fall dressing comes around,

800
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: and especially this year. Um and and you know, like

801
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: that's kind of how trends work. They go in and

802
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: out and that's totally fine. The best way to be,

803
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I would argue, is to just kind of have a

804
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: style that you really love and works for you, regardless

805
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: of what's trendy at the time. And you can kind

806
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: of add elements of the trendiness if you want and

807
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: take away what you don't want. But yeah, in general,

808
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I dress. But every fall it's

809
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: sort of this kind of thing again, So I just

810
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: I wrote about what that's like. Well, I have to say,

811
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I think admitting that you dress in a basic way

812
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: is is bold and powerful. Okay. I did have one

813
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to ask about, which we sort

814
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: of touched on here and there. But and then and

815
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: then you got to go because it's getting close to

816
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: bar time for you, although it's obviously bar time at

817
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: home right now. Um. Not judgment, not judgment, more like

818
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: jealousy than anything to be honest with you, just me

819
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: desperate to have an alcoholic beverage. Um, this is kind

820
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: of a blanket, large question, and I hope that I

821
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: hope that it doesn't trouble you too much to answer

822
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: it even a little bit. Do you believe and I'm

823
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: only I'm only asking this because it's sort of wish

824
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: with thinking on my part. Do you believe that social

825
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: media could be dying? Um? No, I don't really. You

826
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: don't think that we're about to see the end of

827
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: social media as we know it. Maybe as we know it,

828
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: but I don't think that like being social on the

829
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: Internet is going to die ever, because that's kind of

830
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. It's like, I think the formats

831
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: might change, for sure. I think, you know, the hegemony

832
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: of Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, which is the same, TikTok whatever,

833
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 1: YouTube could be totally challenged by god knows what, but

834
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: I think they will. There will always be, you know,

835
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: people conversing and being weird on the Internet, and I

836
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: think that's great. It's a beautiful answer, actually very optimistic.

837
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm sort of personally hoping that the social media dies

838
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: because it's I feel like it's very unhealthy for people.

839
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe the future is like there's just

840
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: be a really healthy social media platform. I think Taylor

841
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: and I talked about this. That's totally a possibility, you know.

842
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: I think the problem is that most of these platforms

843
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: are extremely, extremely huge and unwieldy, and you know, my

844
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: number one philosophy of the Internet is that like, once

845
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: you get a certain number of people in the same room,

846
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: it's just going to be Lord of the flies, and

847
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: like that's just what's gonna happen. So you have, like,

848
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: if you're going to be you know, a good social

849
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: media platform, you have to find ways to prevent that

850
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: from happening. And you know, no one's found a perfect answer,

851
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: right right, Okay, really we'll ask question final question, Are

852
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: you being real or no? Yeah, I'm gonna be real.

853
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: I think it's really fun you do. And it's like

854
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: I have, like, you know, twenty friends on there, but

855
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: it's fun. I've resisted. I I don't know. I it's like,

856
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, you got to manage another thing. It's

857
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: like take a picture, doesn't it feel like the pressure

858
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: is so it's actually like it's it's such a funny

859
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: thing because like the people who are on it like

860
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: if you're with someone who's also on be Real and

861
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: you get the notification, you're like, oh my god, we

862
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: can just take a little picture. It's it's honestly not

863
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: a burden. It's more of just like if you're in

864
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: the mood to do it and you get the notification

865
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: to it, and you can see what other people are

866
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: up to do and then react to them. It's silly.

867
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: It's fun. I feel like, might be real would be

868
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: just be me in the same room every day, is it.

869
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: Do you have anybody who's like that, Oh my god,

870
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: that's so many people. But honestly, like you just don't

871
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: have to take one every day, you know, Like if

872
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, if it hits me at like two pm

873
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday and I'm saying up on my computer

874
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: and my cat is not you know, in the immediate facility,

875
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: I just won't take one. And that's fine. Is anybody

876
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: that you know monetizing there be real presence? No? Be real?

877
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: It's like you have to be mutual is in order

878
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: to see content at all? So yeah, okay, all right,

879
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: you've possibly convinced I should begin my journey of being real.

880
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: It's only good if you have other people that you

881
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: know in real life who are on it. Otherwise, who cares?

882
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in real life. That's some done.

883
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. I don't have those kinds

884
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: of connections, So unfortunately for me, I will not be

885
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: real I guess maybe that's why you find social media

886
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: so depressing. I don't know. Maybe we're back at This

887
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: was absolutely fascinating and so interesting. Thank you very much

888
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: for coming on. And there are many more things that

889
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: you and I could and should talk about, so you'll

890
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: have to come back. Great. I'll have even more wine

891
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: next time. So, oh my god, I will have wine

892
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: next time as I should have had this time, like

893
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: a like a proper host. Well, that is our show

894
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: for this week. We actually had so much to talk about.

895
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: There were so many influential figures to discuss and so

896
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: many mysteries to unlock that we don't even have time

897
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: for an ending amble and end amble. I don't know

898
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: what is the it's a preamble. I guess a post

899
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: ample is what it would be. There will be no

900
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: post amble. This is the post ample. An Yeah, that

901
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: is our show for this week. We'll be back next

902
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: week with more what future and as always I wish

903
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: you and your family the very past