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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This is episode number one seventy three,

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Speaker 1: and today the show we're joined by Bernie Berenger, a

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Speaker 1: d I Y white tail bow hunter, outdoor writer and author,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking public land scrape, hunting tactics, October lull tips,

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Speaker 1: red hunting strategies, and so much more. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by sit Ki Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show we are joined by Bernie Benger.

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Speaker 1: He is an avid d I y white tail bow hunter.

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Speaker 1: He's an outdoor writer whose work has been published in

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Speaker 1: North American Whitetail Field and Stream white Tail Journal and elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: And he's the author of a book that I've really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed called The Freelance bow Hunter, which is all about

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Speaker 1: pulling off d I Y deer hunting trips. And way

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and fourteen when we first started

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Speaker 1: the wire Hunt podcast, me and Dan shatted with Bernie

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Speaker 1: on the show um all about that book and his

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Speaker 1: ideas for doing those types of deer hunting trips, and

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Speaker 1: we had a great time, was a great conversation. We

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Speaker 1: covered a lot of interesting stuff, but there was so

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Speaker 1: much more that that we didn't get to. And so

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Speaker 1: now three years later, or three and a half or

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Speaker 1: something like that years later, we finally have Bernie back

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Speaker 1: with us, and I'm excited to be able to dive into,

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Speaker 1: you know, a whole lot more many many other topics.

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Speaker 1: I think Bernie can speak to. UM. I'm hoping we

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Speaker 1: can hear about his you know, even more about his

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Speaker 1: public line hunting tactics. I think we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the October lull, some of his other thoughts about hunting

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Speaker 1: throughout the month of October. UM. I want to I

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Speaker 1: kind of want to walk through the season with him

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Speaker 1: here more about what he's doing during the rut um.

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Speaker 1: He's had some really impressive success already this year that

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Speaker 1: I think we should talk about. UM. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: dive into a lot, you know, well, as we do

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Speaker 1: with a lot of our guests. I want to try

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Speaker 1: to dissect Bernie as much as possible, UM, and then

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Speaker 1: I think Dan will try to humiliate or embarrass or

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Speaker 1: do something like that. You know typically so um before

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Speaker 1: we do that though, Um, you heard that laughter over there,

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Speaker 1: that's that's my man, Dan Johnson. If you're not familiar

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Speaker 1: with the word hunt, if you're new to the show,

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Speaker 1: we like to do this thing. We like to kind

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Speaker 1: of prolong your weight before hearing from each of our

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Speaker 1: guests each week. I guess you could call it maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe a preamble, um or a preface, or a prologue

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Speaker 1: or some other world that starts at P. I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: but what I'm trying to say is that myself and

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Speaker 1: Mr Dan Johnson, my co host, we've got a few

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Speaker 1: things that we need to cover first before we get

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Speaker 1: into topics of their guests. For instance, today I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to share that despite of all of our worries, all

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Speaker 1: of our concerns, despite the doubters, Dan actually got to

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Speaker 1: hunt during the month of October. Ladies, I know you

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Speaker 1: hear that, say that, say that one more time. It

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Speaker 1: sounded really good. Dan Johnson hunted in October. Congratulations, man,

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Speaker 1: that's good, Thank you man. Uh. Out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: Out of the blue, the wife says, so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt tonight? Or I was like Saturday or Friday,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna hunt Sunday night. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I hadn't planned on it. Why, well, don't you need to?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, man, is is this a Is this

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Speaker 1: a trick? Are you trying to trap me? I mean

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Speaker 1: because I I've already agreed to basically not hunt for

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Speaker 1: most of October? And she's like, well, you got a

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know what, You're right, Like, it

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Speaker 1: took me about an hour or two. You know, I

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Speaker 1: the woods man. That is awesome. I'm very glad to

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Speaker 1: hear it. I'm glad that all these vibes like I've

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Speaker 1: been I've been trying to transmit my thoughts across the states,

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Speaker 1: her sleep so that she would hear these words. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dan has a hunting podcast. He needs to hunt. Dan

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Speaker 1: it's sunk in and she's got it. She heard you,

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Speaker 1: and hell, you didn't even have to send a check.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I promise I will get that check

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Speaker 1: You check this out. I don't even know what this

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Speaker 1: things have taken a turn towards the optimistic here on

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Speaker 1: the Weird Podcast, and I like it right right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I tell you what. I basically just straight up lied

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Speaker 1: of time before I'm getting like million dollar deals. So

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Speaker 1: I really am. Basically, well, what do they say, fake

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Speaker 1: it till you make it, that's right, I think, I problem.

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Speaker 1: There you go, do what you gotta do. Man, that's good.

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Speaker 1: So how did I how the first sit go? You know,

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Speaker 1: It's just I can't. I can't go that far without

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Speaker 1: being on a different property. So um, basically, the stand

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Speaker 1: basically what I did is I went in, I hung

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Speaker 1: week of October. Alright, cool, well, multipurpose set, that's right,

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Speaker 1: just to just to be in a tree and opening night.

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Speaker 1: It's a good feeling. Dude. It's one of those things

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Speaker 1: I didn't even care if I saw a deer, and

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Speaker 1: I agreed with him. I was just like, man, this

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Speaker 1: my phone didn't ring. I shut it off. I kept

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of misinformation out there. UM. So I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit. I want to

427
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the things that I was reminded

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Speaker 1: of and that we're reiterated to me. And then there

429
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Speaker 1: were a few things that even though I've I've followed

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Speaker 1: this quite closely over the years, there are some things

431
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Speaker 1: that I didn't even know about that I learned. So, UM,

432
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I say all that as a teaser.

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Speaker 1: I think next week, let's try to carve out like

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Speaker 1: ten minutes during our our prologue to talk about that,

435
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Speaker 1: because I think it's something that it is. It is

436
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Speaker 1: really a serious, important issue, very important, and I think

437
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: sometimes we like to try to push it aside or think,

438
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: oh no, this isn't something we need to worry about,

439
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: or it's just a foregone conclusion, there's nothing we can

440
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Speaker 1: do about it. I just want to hunt. Um. It's

441
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: especially this time of year, right right, I mean, everybody's

442
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: thinking about me, myself and my hunting, and then you

443
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: know there's bigger there's bigger fish to fry. Yeah so

444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so what We'll we'll keep that till

445
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Speaker 1: next episode. Um, but it'll be a conversation that I

446
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: think is an important, one, important one for everyone to

447
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: make sure we're keep on top of mind. So with

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Speaker 1: that said, um, let's take a pause here to thank

449
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: our partners at Sack of Gear here are sick of story,

450
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Speaker 1: And then we'll bring Bernie on and we'll talk I've

451
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: told her lull. We'll talk trail cans and rubs and

452
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: scrapes and grunting bucks and all that good fun stuff

453
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Speaker 1: that we always like to talk about. Sound good, sounds good?

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Speaker 1: All right? For this week's tick of story, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Bomartinic, who tells us about a spring turkey hunt

456
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Speaker 1: where everything went right. It was last spring in Pennsylvania

457
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: when the temperatures were a lot lower than normal to

458
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Speaker 1: turkey hunt. I left my house early in the morning,

459
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Speaker 1: well before light. I wanted to get a quickly hunting

460
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: for work, and as I started crossing the valley, I

461
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: heard some gobbles coming across the other of this line.

462
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: I heard up went down through the thick bottom. It

463
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: was a very windy and cold on thirty eight degrees

464
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Speaker 1: and quite a bit of rain coming down at this time,

465
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: so allowed to get in pretty close to the roost

466
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: of gold was. As soon as it got light enough

467
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: for the for then to come out of the roofs.

468
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I gave a few soft calls with my my Grandpa's

469
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: homemade call, and they flew down, came over the ridge,

470
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Speaker 1: and the big tom gave me a good thirty five

471
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: yard shot and put him down. Ran up to him,

472
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: grabbed the whole of him and couldn't believe what I had.

473
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Speaker 1: My my biggest turkey to date, inch and a half

474
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Speaker 1: spurs and a ten and a half inch beard. And

475
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Speaker 1: it was one of the craziest and quickest hunts that

476
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Speaker 1: I was able to make it to work on time.

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Speaker 1: On both hunt he was wearing sickst core lightweight bass layers.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to create a sick of story of

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Speaker 1: your own, or to learn more about Sitky's technical hunting apparel,

480
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Speaker 1: visit sitka gear dot com. All right, we are back

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Speaker 1: now with Bernie Barringer. Welcome back to the Shelburne. Thank you.

482
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: We were just chatting before we started recording that. It's

483
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: been more than three years now since our first episode. Um,

484
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: but we've gotten some some good feedback on that one

485
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: from way back in the archives. So so I'm glad

486
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 1: we can do this again, Bertie, and and thanks for

487
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: making the time to do it. How have you been,

488
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: because I know you are a traveling hunter. You're a

489
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: traveling guy. You've been on the road a lot. How

490
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: things been going so far this year? Boy, it's been great.

491
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: Had some pretty good years here, killed some bucks and

492
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Speaker 1: Kansas and um and a couple other states. Uh Um.

493
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Speaker 1: I killed one in Iowa last time. I drew a

494
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Speaker 1: tag and then I drew a tag there again this year,

495
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to ill again this year. Um My.

496
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: I shot one of my best bucks ever on September eight, um,

497
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: just three weeks ago. So that was in Manitoba, and so, yeah, thanks,

498
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: are going good. I'm I'm shooting a lot of bears too, nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah are you? Uh are you bear hunting? You'd fall

500
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: bear hunting right now or spring bears or you're doing

501
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: what you do both? I do both spring and fall.

502
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: I write a column for bear Hunting magazine, so I

503
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: do at least two bear hunts a year and and

504
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: uh so that's that's my other passion besides white tails.

505
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I went on my first black bear hunt

506
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: in this spring and I had a lot of fun.

507
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't have any luck, but it was

508
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: just nice to be out in the woods. And uh,

509
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I guess it's May and uh out there chasing something.

510
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: So so I think that will definitely be something I'll

511
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: do again in the future. Yeah, you bet. It's a

512
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's kind of addictive, and I can

513
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: I can hook you up if you want a little

514
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: better hunt where you're I can put you in some

515
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: places where you're guaranteed to see some bears. So we'll

516
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: talk afterwards. Yeah, yeah, I'll say. Now that's what it's

517
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: all about. Contacts. Yeah, contact, I'll take all the help

518
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: I can get. I like, uh, I I enjoy learning

519
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: as much as I possibly can about these critters, so

520
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be chasing them again here soon. But

521
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: but but you know, we like to keep things a

522
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: little white tail focused here. So you said you had

523
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: a good hunt in September. How did that go? Well,

524
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: it was it was really interesting. This is a buck

525
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: that I hunted last year, and I this buck is

526
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: a really nice ten pointer. Um, he's either four or

527
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: five years old and I green scored, so he's a

528
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: real he's a dandy. And uh, the hunt came about

529
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: in an interesting way because it kind of goes back

530
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: to the bear hunts. I've been bear hunting with an

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00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: outfitter up in Manitoba and brought him a ton of

532
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: business through my writings and so forth. And so one

533
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: one year I was just when I was there in

534
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: the fall the late August, I'm like, man, you've got

535
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: some pretty nice box coming out in these hay fields here.

536
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever considered offering early season bow hunts? And

537
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: he's like, well, no, I you know, I do sell

538
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: some um some rifle hunts in November. But I said, man,

539
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I sure would like to come up here and hunt

540
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: in uh, um, you know, the end of August and

541
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: then into this season opens for set for Monday in September.

542
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: And so last year he's like, why don't you come

543
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: up kind of be a guinea pig and just see

544
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: what you think, and you know, if it looks if

545
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna work, then I'll start marketing

546
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: some early season bow hunts. Well, um, I hunted up

547
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: there for seven days and I saw a lot of ice.

548
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Box ended up killing a real nice nine point about

549
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: hundred thirty five in. But this one ten pointer that

550
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I had been hunting, he was about a one fifty

551
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: class last year. And I mean I saw him most

552
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: every day. He would come out in the hayfield over

553
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: here when I'd be over there, and uh, you know,

554
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: I got lots of trail camera pictures of him late

555
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: eyes on him many many times. And then he one time,

556
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually on the right trail and he he's coming

557
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: down the trail. He's about forty yards away and he's

558
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: just moved and saw slow and along comes. I didn't

559
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: realize it, but some does and fawns had worked out

560
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: into the hay field on the other side of me

561
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: while I was looking away. So when he goes behind

562
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: the bush, I reach up to take my bowl off

563
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: the hang, and they in the does and fawns saw

564
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: it and they blew and snorted and stomped. And so

565
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: I named him Lucky because he just always seemed to

566
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: have I mean, it was so close so many times.

567
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: I had him at fifty yards a couple of times,

568
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: but that's just a little bit outside of my range

569
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: for bow hunt. And uh so I went back again

570
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: this year and on the second day, he comes out

571
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: clear on the other end of the same hayfield, comes

572
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: clear on the other end of the hayfield. There's a

573
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: bunch of does standing around down by me, and he's

574
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: walked right up to twenty five yards and I shot him,

575
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, wow, I guess his luck ran out.

576
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: So but that was that was a beautiful deer. And

577
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: it It's interesting because in Manitoba, you, um, you know,

578
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: you have to go through an outfit or to get

579
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: a deer tag. You have to actually buy your tag

580
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: through an outfit or, which means normally you gotta pay

581
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: for a white tail hunt. And um so I was

582
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: really fortunate. I just kind of looked onto a basically

583
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: a free hunt other than just happen to buy a

584
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: three tag and killed a really nice buck. And I

585
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: can out waiting to get back up there and do

586
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: it again if you'll allow me to. Yeah, bet so.

587
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm curious you were describing, especially last year when you

588
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: were first targeting this year. You mentioned that you were

589
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: getting him on camera and then seeing him on different

590
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: areas of these fields. What was like? And I asked

591
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: this because I've hunted that time of year two and

592
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: for my own selfish reasons, I've kind of bounced around

593
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: in a similar situation. What was your kind of plan, like,

594
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: what was your your approach to trying to narrow things

595
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: down on this buck? Because you were going through that

596
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: seven day hunt and then this year, I guess, what

597
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: did you learn from last year and then applied it

598
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: to getting that kill? Um? Yeah. The the key that

599
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: I think that I learned over time with this buck,

600
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: using the cameras and the visuals was trying to determine

601
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: where he was betting and coming into the fields based

602
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: on wind direction and weather patterns and so forth. And

603
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, over time with both the cameras and when

604
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: I saw him in person, you know, I sort of

605
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: narrowed down what he tended to do based um, you know,

606
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: if the wind was from one direction, he tended to

607
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: use a trail on the other side of the field,

608
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: and it had more to do. And this is interesting

609
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: because it wasn't with so much when the wind direction

610
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: like in the evening when I was hunting, but what

611
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: the wind direction was like in the mornings when he

612
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: was going to his betting area, seemed to determine morey

613
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: where he would bed than where he would come into

614
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: the you know, then he'd come into the field and

615
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: sometimes he'd come into the field with it when it's back,

616
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: but he was coming from a betting area where when

617
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the wind determined that he would go there in the

618
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: morning rather than the afternoon wind didn't make as much

619
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: difference as the morning wind did. So I learned something

620
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: from that that I hadn't really thought of before. That's

621
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: a great point. I think that's something that I've heard

622
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: people talk about in the past, and then it's kind

623
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: of fallen off the radar for me. But it makes

624
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: all the sense in the world if you're we talk

625
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: a lot about this, and I think a lot of

626
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: serious hunters have have found that where a bucks tend

627
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: to bed many times as wind dependent, so they're betting

628
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: in a certain place because of a certain wind direction.

629
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: But I think we sometimes playing on all right, we're

630
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: going for an evening hunt, and then we look at

631
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: the wind for that time period that we're going hunt,

632
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and we don't even think about the fact that it

633
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: could be different in the morning, which would have been

634
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: when that deer is making that decision. Um. So that's

635
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: a great reminder, um, And it explains to why some

636
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: people are surprised. You know, they're seeing a buck enter

637
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: a field with the window his back, like you mentioned,

638
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: and they think, oh, oh, I don't know why I

639
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: would do that. It seems counterintuitive, but to your point,

640
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: it's probably because where he's coming from is more dependent

641
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: on that morning wind than the evening wind. So I'm

642
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned that. So he

643
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: he uh you said he was in the one sixties

644
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: last year or this year. After he killed him, he

645
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: ended up being it was I I estimated him at

646
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: once fifty last year. And then you know, I have

647
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: hardly measured any of the bucks that I've shot, but

648
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: this one I knew when I showed people pictures, they're

649
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: gonna say, what's that school? Or so I figured i'd

650
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: better put a tape to it. So I just restored

651
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: him at one at one so, but I estimated he

652
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: was one fifty last year, and he probably was maybe

653
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: between one fifty and one fifty five last year, so

654
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: a little bigger this year. Yeah, that's a it's a

655
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: beauty of a buck. That's awesome. We'll congrats again on that.

656
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Um So. So we're now in October and I recently

657
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: read an article of yours. I think it was on

658
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I think it's your Bucks, Bulls and Bears website,

659
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Is that right? Sure? Yeah, And it was about how

660
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: you like to hunt through the month of October and

661
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: kind of specifically the October lull, but it covered, you know,

662
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: all four weeks of October, and I liked, I like

663
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: to kind of how you shared your perspective. They're broken

664
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: down week by week. UM So, if I can bother

665
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: you to to recant that description you've already written up

666
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: on the web, can you share with us what your

667
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: progression looks like throughout the month of October? Um and

668
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: how you're hunting strategy is typically changing as we progress. Yeah. Um,

669
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting how so many people really think the

670
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: the month of October is just a time to just wait,

671
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, forget it, let's just wait for November. And um,

672
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, the first week in October can be a

673
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: really tough time because the um, the bachelor groups are

674
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: broken up, and um, you know, the patterns. We're having

675
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a hard time figuring out where the deer are because, uh,

676
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the month of September, these deer sort

677
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: of just changing in their food sources and their patterns,

678
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: and um, you know, you'll be watching on your cameras

679
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: and you'll see these deer in the fields and the

680
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: evenings and stuff like that starting late August and right

681
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: through the middle of September, and all of a sudden

682
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: they're gone, you know. And then you know the Understateptember

683
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: one of October, and all of a sudden, you've got

684
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: a buck on your camera. You go, I haven't seen

685
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: where this comes from. Well he came from somebody else.

686
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, they're wondering where he is. And uh so

687
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: the first week in October, it's pretty much all about

688
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: the food. Um, if you can find um acorns, hazelnuts, stuff,

689
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: like that in my area, that's kind of what they're

690
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: eating on. If there's still some dry some corn in

691
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: the field, um, you know they're they're still in somewhat

692
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: of a pattern. It's just that you'll have to find

693
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: these deer again and you have to move quickly because

694
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: the patterns are changing. UM. I like hunting October because

695
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: the first week in October, especially, the weather is nice

696
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: and usually here we've had a frost, so we don't

697
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: have much about mosquitoes and stuff like that. But then um,

698
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: as the second week of October wears on, then the

699
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: it's getting colder, so the deer seeking out the high

700
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: card foods like corn and stuff like that. When the

701
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: if they're standing corns left that there, that's a real

702
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: magnet for um. Um sometimes they're picking up corn that's

703
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: been harvested and so forth and um. So that you know,

704
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: second week is not a bad time to hunt either.

705
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: And by the third week in October, now you're starting

706
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: to see a lot of scrapes and rubs that are

707
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: pretty active rather than you know, there's there's you start

708
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: seeing scrapes and rubs. You know, at the end of

709
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: August and even as the velvet comes off. But by

710
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: the third week in October, the bucks are really paying

711
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: attention to them, and so that's when I start paying

712
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: attention to them too. And also that's when the effectiveness

713
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: of calling and rattling is starting to work. UM. And

714
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: then by the fourth week in October, then you know,

715
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: calling and rattling is at its peak. That's it's it's

716
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: the best last week in October, first week in November.

717
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: I would even give the edge to the last week

718
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: in October for for calling and rattling. UM. You know,

719
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: that's the best time of the year also to haunt

720
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: straps and rubs because the bucks are visiting them consisting

721
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: lee and uh. You know something another issue with um

722
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: with scrapes that a lot of people don't think about

723
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: and UM the you know, it's kind of complicated, but

724
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's been several studies done that bucks, UM

725
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: don't visit scrapes in the daylight. You've probably read the signiss.

726
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: What they do is they put a camera at the

727
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: scrape and they and then they say, well, we got

728
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: eight percent of the pictures of mature bucks that we

729
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: got were at night. And well, one thing that they

730
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: that they're not noticing about this is the fact that

731
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: they're only put a camera right at the scrape, and

732
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: so bucks are checking scrapes during the day at this time,

733
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: but they're just not walking right into them. Because most

734
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: of your scrapes, if you think about it, they're on

735
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: a power line cut or a road to track on

736
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: the edge of the field or something like that. These

737
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: mature bucks don't like to expose themselves to open areas

738
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: during the daylight. So they'll whenever can't they and they'll

739
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: stay thirty or forty yards down the wind of the

740
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: scrape in cover, and they'll just check the scrape without

741
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: walking right up to it. Now, if there's something good

742
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: in the scrape, if there's fresh dope, or if you

743
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: use a good lure or something like that, um you

744
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: can you know, you can hunt right over these scrapes

745
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: and bring these bucks right in. But um so, don't

746
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: completely discount hunting scrapes during the daylight, because there's that

747
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: last week in October. In fact, Halloween is kind of

748
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: famous for, you know, for killing bucks over sign. So

749
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: so at that time period is do you prioritize scrapes

750
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: so much that during that last week of October that's

751
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: that's one of the main areas that you're actually hunting

752
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: over is specifically in a spot because of a scrape. Yeah,

753
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking for areas that are all torn up, and uh,

754
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm you know, by the last week in October, I'm

755
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: not spending a lot of time worrying about beds and

756
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: food and stuff like that. You know, I'm looking for

757
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: a sign that that those bucks, you know, the testoster

758
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: it is rising. They're gonna be checking those scrapes and

759
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: and uh, try if you find an area that's got

760
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: six or eight scrapes and a bunch of rubs and

761
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's it's definitely worth spending the afternoon

762
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: there during that last week in October. So one of

763
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: the things that I feel like a lot of people

764
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: do talk about when when we're on this topic of

765
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: scrapes is that the places that you will see that

766
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: daytime activity are usually going to be the scrapes some

767
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: people refer to like primary scrape arias or something like that,

768
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: being these places back in the cover. So the scrapes

769
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: are on the field edge, don't focus on those. Try

770
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: to find these areas of that are all tore up,

771
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: But the ones that are back secluded somewhat. Is that

772
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: the way you're looking at things too, or are you

773
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: even taking advantage of field edge scrapes because you still

774
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: think that they're they're coming down wind of at thirty

775
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: or forty yards into the cover checking on those field

776
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: that scrape somewhere. Yeah, I if the wind is right

777
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: that you can get down wind of one of those

778
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: scrapes that's on a field edge, Um, they're good plays hunt,

779
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, if you can have the wind blowing from

780
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: you or from the scrape to you and getting a

781
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: tree up there, the bucks will they'll check them and

782
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: then they'll make a hook. They'll kind of circle around

783
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: in a half circle. If if they smell something they like,

784
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: then they'll kind of circle around and try to quarter

785
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: into the wind with the you know, kind of the

786
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: wind on the flat of their face so it's in

787
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: one nostril basically, and they'll approach the scrapes that way.

788
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: So to keep that in mind, But I would say,

789
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: if I had to choose between the two, I'd take

790
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: an area back in the cover more that's closer to

791
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: the betting area that's all torn up, because you're more

792
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: likely to encounter them in the daylight if you're closer

793
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: to the betting area. But these these areas where they're

794
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: all tore up on the edge of the fields, they

795
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't be completely overlooked. Fair enough, have you seen have

796
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: you seen, you know, for from all your years of

797
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: being in a tree stand and and just watching dear

798
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: movement in general, is there a time where, you know,

799
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about hunting scrapes right now, where these dear

800
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: really start to get up on their feet in daylight,

801
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: whether that's getting up early or coming to back to

802
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: bed late. Um, yeah, I would say the last week

803
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: in October here in the Upper Midwest is when you

804
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: start seeing that, and then by you know, the first

805
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: week in November, and then you start seeing more of

806
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: the chasing more so, you know, and so then the

807
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: scrapes will work. But there, you know, you can concentrate

808
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: more on the dough betting areas and where the doughs

809
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: are feeding in the evening, because the bucks are going

810
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: to be they're starting dose, are starting to smell pretty good,

811
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, around the first of November, so those bucks

812
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: are going to be sniffing them out. Because yeah, if

813
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: you can answer your question, then last week in October. Absolutely,

814
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: Then where you were you asking about, like time of

815
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: year or where you were asking more the factors that

816
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: change it, well, not necessarily factors. I mean in regards

817
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: to hunting the actual scrapes, right, that's something that I

818
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: don't do a lot of. So just because I don't

819
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not seeing a lot of enough movement

820
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: during the daylight, you know, I'm not necessarily going right

821
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: into the bedroom in late October. Maybe if there is

822
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: a um, maybe if there is a I guess a

823
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: cold front coming for for an evening hunt, I guess,

824
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: But I do like hunting, uh late October, the morning

825
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: hunt back in the bedroom where the deer might be

826
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: coming later back to that bedroom or maybe scent checking.

827
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: So I guess my question was, um, there you know,

828
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: what time of year, whether it's like you know, twenty nine,

829
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: are are used typically seeing these deer not chasing yet,

830
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: but getting up on their feet a little earlier, because

831
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's that smelling, that there's that smell in

832
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: the air like hey, we gotta we gotta start getting ready.

833
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: And I think, and I think Bernie, you you would

834
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: go ahead and sorry, I was gonna say, I think

835
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: your previous answer then answers that right that last week. Yeah, yeah,

836
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 1: And I would like to mention the mornings too though

837
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: that's a UM. I would say the closer you get

838
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: to November, the better it gets. But as far as

839
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: the morning goes, when they're primarily on a feeding t

840
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: betting pattern, then they'll trickle back in, UM, and it's

841
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to hunt mornings on feeding to

842
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: betting patterns without bumping deer, particularly if they're hunting in

843
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: open fields and you know, they'll start trickling back in

844
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: well before daylight sometimes and and uh you know, you

845
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: might not encounter the deer and you can it's it's

846
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: hard not to uh spook them or you know, intrude.

847
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: But the closer you get to November first, the more

848
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: the bucks stay out a little later. So that's kind

849
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: of an answer to your question that the effective us

850
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: of morning hunting UM gets better as you approach the

851
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: first November. Got Yeah. I feel like that's something that

852
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: that we that I think we've all probably seemed too.

853
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: It seems to be that that tends to be the case.

854
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: UM you mentioned a little bit ago, though. UM. Continuing

855
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: here on the topic of scrapes about how when they

856
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: do scent check these scrapes many times, you know, if

857
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: there's something good in there, like some fresh real dough

858
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: yurine or a lure of some type, they might come

859
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: in closer to check it out. Um. I've never really

860
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: personally used a whole lot of lures um centler when

861
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: I was when I was young, I tried to bunch,

862
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: and then more recently I've kind of tapered away from that.

863
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Is that something that you found useful um in your

864
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: own hunts? And if so, you know what actually is

865
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: worth using. You know, I'm not big on just like

866
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: sticking up a wick with some lure on it or

867
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: something like that. But I've use a lot more scrape

868
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I've used a lot more scrape drippers over

869
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the years, and UH found them to be pretty effective.

870
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: They really seem to they really draw the deer into

871
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: the scrape to get a photo of them, first of all.

872
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: And then secondly, I've seen bucks that were down when

873
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: checking those scrapes, and they would they would actually circle

874
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: around and just come into scrape because it's got some

875
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: lure in it. Okay, So like, how much are you

876
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: doing that? I mean, do you do you go out

877
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: and set a dripper on every scrape of yours? That

878
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: are every scrape that's near Treeston you might hunt in

879
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: late October? Or do you just have you know? Or

880
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: do you go out the day you're hunting and you

881
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: know there's a scrape nearby, you walk in there, you

882
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: hang the dripper that day? How are you actually, you know,

883
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: utilizing them? I just put out a scrape dripper today,

884
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: so I'm you know, I'm having I have monther quite

885
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: a bit, and the ones where I know I'm going

886
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: to be hunting, I start sweeping those scrapes up. As

887
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: soon as it looks like it's going to be one

888
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: of those places where I'm actually gonna spend some significant

889
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: amount of time. I'm gonna go to work on them

890
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: right away. Have you have you tried preorbital gland sense

891
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: and lures at all? That's been something We've talked to

892
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people about and I've started trying some

893
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: of that this year. Um results tb D. Have you

894
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: seen anything with those? I have not, but I'm really

895
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: intrigued by the horizontal rubs and that type of thing.

896
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: In fact, the scrape dripper that I put out today. Um,

897
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: I put it right next to a branch that is

898
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: a horizontal branch on a jackpine tree that for some

899
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: reason a buck started rubbing, and so I I just

900
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: put a scrape dripper right there, put a camera on it,

901
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: and I actually shined up the branch that he's been

902
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: rubbing on with my pocket knife a little bit, so

903
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: it has some visual attraction. So I mean it's more

904
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: of an experiment in any than anything in this case.

905
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: But interesting, you know, do do rubs factor in? Regular

906
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: rubs factor a whole lot into I know you mentioned

907
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: signed a little bit ago, but specifically or rubs something

908
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: you're really using the key in on where you're moving

909
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: around those of october stands. There's that kind of tertiary data. Um,

910
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of peripheral stuff. I guess I just know

911
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: that there's bucks they're using the you know, if if

912
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: they're freshening the rubs, and the size of the trees

913
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: has a fair amount to do with it. You know,

914
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: they always say that big bucks will rub small trees too,

915
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: but small bucks generally don't rub big trees, you know,

916
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: and in a general sense, and so i'm you know,

917
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: the that's kind of peripheral stuff that just gives me

918
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: a more confidence in the spot, I guess more than anything. Yeah, yeah,

919
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of exactly what I've found too. Dan.

920
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: Do you do you pay much at tension to rubs

921
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: anymore other than just kind of that type of thing

922
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: that brings Yeah, I do, from the fact that that

923
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: means that there is a there has been a buck there, right,

924
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: and if it's like I, yeah, I agree with him.

925
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, little deer don't make bigger rubs, So yes,

926
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: I take into consideration. I put it into a metal note.

927
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, we always talk about going

928
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: through that mental checklist before we go to sit a

929
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: stand location or before we hang a tree stand location

930
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: in the specific area, and that may play into whether

931
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: or not I go that direction based off of you know,

932
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: it could be the tipping point saying well, there is

933
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 1: a big rub from this year in that area. Yeah,

934
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: that that seems fair. So, speaking of October still um,

935
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: everybody likes to talk about the quote unquote October lull

936
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: this mid October lull um. Bernie, do you do you

937
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: think that's a real thing? Do you find that to

938
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: be more of just a media sensation or a label

939
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: that we're putting on something that maybe is human um

940
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: influenced more so than dear. What are your thoughts there? Well,

941
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: I have had a hard time shooting bucks in October,

942
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of October. Um, maybe I'm just in apt.

943
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it could it could be just me,

944
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: but I it seems to me like it's harder to,

945
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: uh you know, to to shoot mature bucks, especially during

946
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: that time, just because their movement seems to be iratic erratic,

947
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know that it's maybe that I just

948
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: haven't figured out. I mean, there's some people that killed

949
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: big bucks. I I know guys that have killed booners

950
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: consistently in October, and uh, you know, maybe I just

951
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: haven't figured it out, or I'm not in the right places.

952
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting the right places now where I live.

953
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: You know, a three year old buck is an anomaly

954
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: here in central Minnesota where you know, we have a

955
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: deer season, a rifle season that starts the first weekend

956
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: in November. The bucker shot win or you're a half old.

957
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just typically not going to travel

958
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: to a state where um, I'm on a bow hunting

959
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: road trip the middle of October, just because it's uh,

960
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a tough time. And you know, if there's a lull,

961
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what causes it or um. You know,

962
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: there's people that know more about than I do. Put

963
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: it that way, I haven't figured out the code. I

964
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: haven't broke the code at all. Yeah, fair enough. It

965
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: definitely seems like, you know, from everything I've seen and heard,

966
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: studies show that buck movement does actually increase throughout the

967
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: month of October. But that doesn't mean that daylight activity

968
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: that the average hunter seas doesn't go down, you know,

969
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: due to things like increase hunting pressure probably, or due

970
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: to changing food sources probably, or leaves dropping, and so

971
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: the available security cover for deer changes. So all of

972
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, all these things happen, and so dear habits change,

973
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: which I think throws a lot of people for a

974
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: loop that then looks like that lull um. Yeah, that's

975
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: a lot of what like I kind of hypothesize, but

976
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: so so, given then what you just said, though, Bernie,

977
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: that this time of year is a little bit tougher

978
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: for for most people, for you too, maybe what are

979
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: you actually doing this year throughout these next couple of weeks.

980
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: Are you still going to go after it? Are you

981
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: gonna lay back? What's what's on your actual itinerary and

982
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: plans for the next two three weeks. Well, I have

983
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: a dough tag to fill here and then you know,

984
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: I've I've got some cameras out and I'm checking cameras

985
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: and just kind of if if something pops up that

986
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: looks like a pattern, then I'll go after a buck. Um.

987
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, I've I do a Iowa bow tag this year,

988
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: so I'm headed down there about Halloween. And uh, I

989
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: have got a buddy down to southeast Iowa where I

990
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: hunt down there, and I sent him six cameras and

991
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: he just got them out last weekend, including a cell

992
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: phone camera. I've got one of the covert Blackhawks for

993
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: He's in cameras and it's already texting me pictures a

994
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: deer here in Minnesota, deer in Iowa where I'm gonna

995
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: be hunting. It almost seems unfair, but yeah, So I'm

996
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: getting texts in the evenings and so far I haven't

997
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: seen a shooter buck. There was pretty one pretty decent

998
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: eight pointer on there last night and he made a

999
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: mock scrape and put this camera on it in a

1000
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: betting area and uh, he'll he'll go back in there

1001
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: about two weeks probably and and move it. But it's

1002
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fun and and it's nice to

1003
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: have somebody on the ground that can help with stuff

1004
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: like that. And I'll mostly be hunting public land down there. Um.

1005
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I do have permission on one piece of property that's

1006
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: adjacent to a public land that I did get permission

1007
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: on one piece of property, but mostly it's public land.

1008
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: And the nice thing is I hunted it down in

1009
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: that area, so I was also able to learn the

1010
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: area quite a bit. And when I go back, it's

1011
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: really helpful, you know, to have some history and understand

1012
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: a little bit about the travel patterns and and things

1013
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm pretty excited about it. I always

1014
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: loved going to Iowa. I I usually apply for two

1015
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: or three states a year, um, but when I think

1016
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draw Iowa, I didn't apply for Kansas this

1017
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: year because I just want to focus all my attention.

1018
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: I got seven some dollars invested in this tag. You know,

1019
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the most of it. So um, when

1020
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm done in Iowa if it if it happens fairly

1021
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: quickly there, then I'll probably go to either Nebraska or

1022
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Missouri and uh, you know, spend a week or ten

1023
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: days in the second spot with over the counter tag.

1024
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: So then so most of October then is dedicated to

1025
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: honey locally there in Minnesota. Then right, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah.

1026
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: I had high hunt Conna sporadically this time of the year,

1027
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: and it's just more and you know, I'm checking cameras

1028
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: and I'm I had a dozen deer in my little

1029
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: food plot behind my house here last night. I just

1030
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: have five acres, but it's surrounded by a big state

1031
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: park where there's no hunting, so lots of deer. It's

1032
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: just that I don't have very many big bucks. But

1033
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: I ever saw often one comes through. And if I

1034
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: see that there, you know, if I got one that's

1035
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: coming into the food plot, I'm gonna jump right on

1036
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: it and try to get out there and get him

1037
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: shot before he disappears again. And that's what they do

1038
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: in October's there. You know, you'll see one. You might

1039
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: get him on camera for two nights or observe him

1040
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: in the field, and then who knows where he goes,

1041
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: you can't find him again. Yeah, alright, folks, I think

1042
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: this is a good point for us to take a

1043
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: quick break to hear from our partners at White Tailed

1044
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: Properties and our producer Spencer new Hearts. We'll take it

1045
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: from here this week with White Tail Properties, we are

1046
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: joined by Andrew Schultz, a land specialist out of Illinois.

1047
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: And Andrew is going to be telling us about the

1048
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: best ways to improve habitat on a small piece of ground.

1049
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: There are lots of things the land manager can do

1050
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: in order to help themselves kill bigger deer smaller property,

1051
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: and probably the most important of those things, in my opinion,

1052
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: would be creating funnels and tinge points, and one way

1053
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: to do that is through hinge cuts. If it's a

1054
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: smaller property, it's assumed that it might not necessarily hold

1055
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot of deer, but hopefully they're passing through there,

1056
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: and by creating good funnels, um and ambush sites, you

1057
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: can have lots of success by catching them traveling through

1058
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: the property. If the property does lay in a way

1059
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: in which you can create some small food plots um

1060
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: that could help attract deer as well. And then obviously

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00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: um keeping less pressure on the property. A small property

1062
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: can be easily pressured, especially if you get too many

1063
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: hunters out there trying to hunt it. So pay careful

1064
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: attention to the wind, pay attention to your entrance and

1065
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: exit to and from the stand, and try and keep

1066
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: that pressure to a minimum. If you'd like to learn

1067
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Andrew currently has

1068
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit whitetail properties dot com. Backslash Schultz

1069
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: that's s h U l t z. So you mentioned

1070
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: that you're, you know, checking trail cameras during this time

1071
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: of year, maybe on that little spot or I don't

1072
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: know if you've got other places there in Minnesota too

1073
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: that you've got cameras. But I'm just kind of curious

1074
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: because I always battle with this in my own head.

1075
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: It's okay even if I'm staying out of an area

1076
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: and not hunting it for a period of time, but

1077
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: I want to keep tabs on it with the trail cameras.

1078
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: I've kind of convinced myself that if I go in

1079
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: there in mid day on an a t V and

1080
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: easy to access locations and not going into bedding years,

1081
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: it's just like feel that spot or something like that

1082
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: if I do that, you know, once a week or

1083
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: every other week or something, I'm having a low impact

1084
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: and that's okay. Um, I'm curious to hear number one,

1085
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: do you agree with that? And then number two? What

1086
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: are you personally doing when it comes to monitoring trail

1087
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: cameras in a low impact way? This month? I would

1088
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: say yes, I agree with that, But there's two things

1089
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: that I would add to that number. I started using

1090
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: a fat tire electric fat tire bike. Oh my goodness,

1091
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: has that It's incredible If we cover so much ground

1092
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: so fast, you're not leaving any scent and all that.

1093
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: It's that it's quiet. The deer look at you, like,

1094
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: what the heck are you doing? You know, I mean

1095
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: you literally why right by sometimes yards from and they

1096
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: stare and watch you go by on these on these bikes.

1097
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: That's a game changer as far as I'm concerned. The

1098
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: other thing is for batting areas and things like that.

1099
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: I like to check the cameras either during or right

1100
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: before a rain, which pretty much washes your impact away.

1101
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: So if you know, if I look like we've got

1102
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: some rain coming in, I can look at the radar.

1103
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I need to check a camera, gonna run

1104
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: out there and do it right then? Um So, but yeah,

1105
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: I would, I would agree with you if you're trying

1106
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: to keep your impact down and avoids. You know, I'm

1107
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm addicted these dogs on trail cameras. I probably hunt

1108
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: trail cameras too much, I'll admit that. But you know,

1109
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: it's like a sport in itself, and uh, it's hard

1110
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: not to go alcome. Sometimes you're you're all excited about it,

1111
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: but you've got to be patient, wait for the right

1112
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: time to get out there and get the information gathered

1113
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: up without hurting your chances. Yeah, very true. I know,

1114
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: I know we we all probably all hunters battle with

1115
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: that same challenge because they are addicting. They are so

1116
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: much fun. But you gotta think, Okay, what's more important

1117
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: getting a picture or getting an arrow in one? So

1118
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to tell myself that, like, chill out, Mark,

1119
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: you want to get an narrow in one even more

1120
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: than you want that pick um. But man, these these

1121
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: cell phone cameras, to your point earlier, that's a really

1122
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: nice tool because you can you can get your pictures.

1123
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: It's like you can you can what do they say,

1124
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too or whatever. That's

1125
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of the deal with cell phone cameras. So yeah,

1126
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: they're very helpful. I have a completely I'm not a

1127
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: kidding Well, I'm just gonna say, I'm really not kidding

1128
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: about this quiet Cat bike too. Um, I'm not. It's

1129
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: just shocking how much difference that that has made for me,

1130
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: and how much round I can cover, and uh, you know,

1131
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: I think these are gonna be a big thing. And

1132
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: when I first saw him, I thought, come on, you know,

1133
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: at bikes three grand and who's gonna do that? What?

1134
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: How much impact can it really have? You know? But

1135
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: when I got one and started using it, it was

1136
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: just like a whole new world opened up to me.

1137
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: It's amazing for scouting, for just riding through the woods

1138
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: and scouting and riding around the field edge looking at

1139
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: scrapes and rubs and trails and stuff like that. It's

1140
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: a whole new world. I'm not kidding you. They they

1141
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: look they look pretty cool. I don't know if I'm

1142
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: ready to drop the cash on it myself, but if

1143
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: one mysteriously showed up on my doorstep, I wouldn't complain.

1144
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you need to do a bunch of podcasts and

1145
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: trade for one or something like a hint hint if

1146
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: you're listening and Mark has worked out they sound cool.

1147
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: What were gonna say though? Oh well, I had two

1148
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: questions off that. The first one was, are are those

1149
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: electric bikes legal on public ground? Most public ground? They

1150
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: are legal if they're under seven hundred and fifty walks. Now,

1151
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: Quiet Cat makes two of a seven fifty and a thousand,

1152
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: and I used the seven fifty because most states it's

1153
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: not considered a motorized vehicle unless it's over seven watts,

1154
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: so it's basically a bicycle. And now they have three

1155
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: ways you can use them. You can peddle them just

1156
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: like a regular bike, or you can just you know,

1157
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: the quiet Cat has a like a throttle like a motorcycle,

1158
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: and he is to drive it like a motorcycle. Or

1159
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: you can use a pedal assist, which is what I

1160
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: use most of the time. And that's you can just

1161
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: set how much assist you want and you just pedal

1162
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: and it helps and it helps push you, and I

1163
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: mean you can go up steep hills. I pulled a

1164
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: big buck on a cart, you know, right behind I

1165
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: tied a cart behind the bike and just rotor right

1166
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: up a big steep hill. It's like crazy, how good

1167
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: it works? Hm? Nice? Nice? So my next question was,

1168
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, this was this is kind of off subject,

1169
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: but when you when you are pulling a tag in

1170
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: southeast Iowa, you know those don't come every year unless

1171
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson, unless your name is Dan Johnson, you live

1172
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: there like me, but you know you're an out you're

1173
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: a nonresident, and you're not pulling that tag every year.

1174
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: How much time are you going to dedicate or budget

1175
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: to Iowa when you know and you hunt all these

1176
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: other locations. Yeah, I'm because I don't draw an Iowa

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01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: tag that often. I'm going to make it by number

1178
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: one priority and I'm just gonna go there and I'm

1179
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna work hard until I can either get a buck

1180
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: or decide that my odds of getting a buck are

1181
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: too low to make it worth staying. That might be

1182
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: seven or ten days or whatever it takes, you know,

1183
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: being an outdoor right or I've got a flexible schedule.

1184
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: I keep my whole first half of November completely open,

1185
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: So if it takes the whole first half of November,

1186
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: I might end up doing I'm staying with my buddy,

1187
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: he's expecting me to stay a week or so. I

1188
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: might have to get a motel after the second year,

1189
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, if he gets really tired of me. But um,

1190
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna prioritize that and then whatever's left.

1191
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, there's over the counter states

1192
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: that I like, like Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota. Those are

1193
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: three that I really like to hunt as a second choice,

1194
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: so I can just go buy and over the counter

1195
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: tag and and uh, you know, I've hunted all three

1196
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: of them before, so I've got spots that I know

1197
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: somewhat and I can jump right in and be hunting.

1198
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: It'll take me twenty four hours after I get there,

1199
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: probably to really walk it out, you know, look at

1200
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: movements and feeding patterns and see where the nearer betting

1201
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: and then get a stand up. And you know, I

1202
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: usually don't hunt the first day. I usually just scout

1203
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: the first day. But after you've been there a time

1204
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: or two, then the scout outing, uh is not as necessary,

1205
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: so you can get in the stand a lot sooner.

1206
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: So did you did you hunt? I think you had

1207
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: said it was two thousand fourteen when you hunted down

1208
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: their last Um did you kill a buck on that trip?

1209
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: I did kill a bucket wasn't really the buck I wanted.

1210
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: But it's kind of a crazy story because my wife's

1211
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: mother died while I was down there, and uh, and

1212
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, she grew up we both grew up in Iowa.

1213
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know why I moved in Minnesota. I

1214
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: guess because I was in the fishing business here what

1215
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: I did. But um, but so you know, we were

1216
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: to have a funeral and uh, then I was going

1217
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: to go to Kansas from there. Well, the morning that

1218
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide how this is gonna all work

1219
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: for me to get to a funeral and everything, a

1220
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty inch buck walks up and stands there

1221
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: at Broadside and went, well, this is the answer to

1222
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: my question. So I shot it, and uh and quartered

1223
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: it up, put it in coolers, went to the funeral,

1224
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: and my wife took it home from the fund and

1225
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: she met me there, took it home from the funeral,

1226
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: I went to Kansas. So it just worked out, you know.

1227
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: And uh, I had better bucks, like on camera than that.

1228
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: But it's just there's a lot of other factors than

1229
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: just shooting the best buck. You can find. And in

1230
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: that case, the whole the death of her mother kind

1231
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: of threw a monkey wrench into it. But I was

1232
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: satisfied with that buck considered. You know, it's a three

1233
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: year old buck, and you know, going to another state

1234
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: and shooting a three year old buck is harder than

1235
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people realize. What about what about this year?

1236
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: What's your goal for this year? I'm gonna be a

1237
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: little more picky. I think, uh, um, you know, I

1238
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: have some history there now, and we'll see how bad

1239
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: the e h D has been, and also what shows

1240
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: up on camera here. Um, when I start seeing pictures

1241
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: from the cameras that my friend John put out, Um, well,

1242
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: we'll start seeing what happens, and then I'll have a

1243
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: better idea. But once you have an inventory of the deer,

1244
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: then you you kind of know what you can expect.

1245
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: If there's three or four fifty's on camera, I'm gonna

1246
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: be really really selective, you know, and try to get

1247
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: one of them. And if there's only one in a

1248
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: bunch of one thirties, then I might say, well, one

1249
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: of those one thirties probably gonna be good enough if

1250
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: he walks by. So um, I like to think that. Um,

1251
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 1: when I'm in a in a state far from home.

1252
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: You know, a three to four year old buck in

1253
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: the one thirty to forty ranges on public land, that's

1254
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: kind of about what you can expect if you really

1255
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: work hard. Yeah, So what's your game plan? So you're

1256
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: gonna show up there? You said, probably like late October,

1257
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: early November most likely. Um, what could you describe like

1258
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: your hypothetical week? First week game plan might look like? Yeah,

1259
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: my the first day, I'm gonna spend on that bike

1260
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: and uh, just really scout out the areas that I've

1261
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: known have been good in the past and see what

1262
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: I can find for sign and so forth. Um, you know,

1263
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: go through the trail camera pictures and and really analyze

1264
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 1: what things look like. Um. And when I say sign,

1265
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking dear sign. I'm talking to human

1266
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: sign too, because I want to know where the hunting

1267
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: pressure is coming from public land. You're patterning other hunters

1268
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: as well as patterning deer, you know what I'm saying. So,

1269
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to get a field for

1270
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: the lay of the land, and I'm gonna spend at

1271
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: least a day day and a half and I'm gonna

1272
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: try to get at least two stands up before I

1273
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: actually hunt, because I've made the mistake in the past

1274
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: to find a really good spot and put up a

1275
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: stand and a hunt in the evening and then it

1276
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: gets dark and all of a sudden, going back to motel, gooing, Man,

1277
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: this is a terrible stand for in the morning. I

1278
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: don't have any place to hunt in the morning. So

1279
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get two stands up before

1280
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: I actually get in one. I want a morning spot

1281
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: in an evening spot, or or at least two stands

1282
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: for two different wind directions. So I'm I'm pretty adamant

1283
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: about um, you know, really scouting things out before I

1284
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: actually start to hunt, because when I get in the stand,

1285
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: I want to have the confidence that I'm in the

1286
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,919
Speaker 1: right spot. Otherwise you get fidgety and you're thinking maybe

1287
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: I should be over here over there, And the only

1288
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: way to know that you have confidence that you're in

1289
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: the right spot is by thorough scouting. So that's my priority,

1290
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: is really heavy scouting and then hunt and then you're

1291
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: I go into a lot of detail on that in

1292
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: my book, The Freelance bow Hunter Book. I cover that

1293
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: in a lot more detail. Yeah, I remember, I really

1294
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: did enjoy that book, and I liked your perspective on

1295
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: on how you go about transitioning from that you know,

1296
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: scouting to then kind of observation stands and then kind

1297
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: of adjusting each time. Um, I mean that that that's

1298
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: something I've definitely adopted to my own style of hunting

1299
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: too when I've done some of these public eye hunts

1300
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,839
Speaker 1: and it it definitely seems to work. Um, has anything,

1301
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: because because we talked about this piece of your of

1302
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: your strategy a lot, you know, our first time we

1303
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: chatted on the podcast, we kind of dove into your

1304
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: whole public land philosophy, this whole you know, kind of

1305
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: game plan that you go through on most of your

1306
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: public land hunts. So if that was if that was

1307
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,440
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, that I think that we had that conversation.

1308
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: Now it's two thousands Elevantine, Has anything changed? Have you

1309
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: learned something new that has that has changed how you

1310
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: approach these hunts at all, at least when it comes

1311
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: to the public land side of things in the last

1312
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, to three years. Is there anything pretty profound

1313
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: that you now say, Ah, I'm doing something different. I

1314
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: can't say that there's anything really profound. I've tweaked things

1315
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, I believe it or not. This

1316
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: might sound crazy, but I hardly ever hunt mid days anymore.

1317
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: I tend to think that I get more value out

1318
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: of scouting and checking cameras um during the middle part

1319
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: of the day rather than sitting in a stand. There.

1320
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: There may be times when I really feel like I'm

1321
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: in a spot that could have dear activity at any moment,

1322
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: and I'll stay there all day. But part of it's

1323
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: just that, Um, I'm I just don't sit well. I'm

1324
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: just not one of these guys. I mean, I know

1325
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: guys that could get to stand an hour before daylight

1326
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: and get out an hour after dark, and they could

1327
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: do a day after day after day, and I'm like,

1328
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that sounds like a nightmare to me,

1329
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: you know. So, but I really want to know what's

1330
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: going on um around me and stuff. So I'm gonna

1331
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out and stretch a little bit so

1332
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: I can really be focused for the you know, four

1333
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: or five hours in the morning, four or five hours

1334
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: in the evening, and take two or three hours in

1335
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the day off and do some more

1336
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: scouting or something like that. That's that's interesting. I mean,

1337
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: I know that Dan likes hearing that because he's always

1338
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: looking for excuses not tone all day. Right, you're exactly

1339
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: right nailed it, um Bernie. What kind of places during

1340
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: that time period, during your rut time period when you're

1341
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: taking your midday break? What kinds of scouting is safe

1342
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: to do at that time of year versus stuff that's

1343
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: just too much of a negative or is there anything

1344
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: at that point? Can you go in anywhere and you're

1345
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: not so worried about it because it's the rut. Well,

1346
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 1: I would really avoid the betting areas, of course, because

1347
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: the deer likely to be at that time. I'm I

1348
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: would check cameras at creek crossings and field edges and

1349
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: on you know, funnels and pitch points and things like

1350
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: that that I've got set up that that's where I

1351
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: would tend to check the cameras. Um. But you also

1352
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: have to realize that you've got a limited time to hunt.

1353
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: You're on public land where the deer somewhat acclimated to

1354
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: human activity, and you just have to hunt more aggressively

1355
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: than you would if you know, if I had hundred

1356
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: sixty acres of well managed deer hunting property. You know,

1357
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 1: I would probably hunt some of these stands once twice

1358
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: three times a year. Where you know, if I'm in

1359
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: a UM in a public land and I've got a

1360
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: week or ten days to get it done, i might

1361
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: hunt them, you know, three or four or five times

1362
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: a week. So you just have to be more aggressive. Uh,

1363
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: it's just necessary. Yeah, does that apply? And I assume

1364
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: it is. But does that apply to other aspects of

1365
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: your your hunting strategy at that time? So are you

1366
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: just are you more apt to call or rattle or

1367
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: decoy or just try other off the wall tactics because

1368
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: of that same fact or are you more conservative because

1369
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: there's more hunters and they're just less likely to be

1370
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: interested in those supes of things because of all the pressure.

1371
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm probably more likely to call um and rattle,

1372
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: and I do use a buck decoy quite a bit.

1373
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: I have started using buck decoys more and more, actually,

1374
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: especially if I'm sitting up in an area like on

1375
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: the edge of a field, where I can put that

1376
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: thing out there, um and make it in a visible spot.

1377
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: I rarely use a dough decoy alone. Um in fact,

1378
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I have for years. I use a

1379
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,839
Speaker 1: dough decoy in association with a buck decoy at times,

1380
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: but um, you know, since you mentioned decoys, I should

1381
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: just say this. I I think most times just using

1382
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: a oh decoy is more harm than good because other

1383
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: doughs or smaller bucks come along and they look at

1384
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: it and they're used to know when everybody around there,

1385
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: and that freaks them out. They're stomping at it and um,

1386
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: but they don't necessarily do that with the young buck

1387
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: decoy with one antler missing, which is the way I

1388
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: normally set them up. Yeah, can you elaborate on the

1389
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: set up, um, how you're typically angling at position at etcetera, etcetera. Yeah.

1390
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I typically position the bucks so it's facing towards the

1391
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: base in my tree with one antler missing, and the

1392
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: deer usually will circle the buck to the side with

1393
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: the antler missing and give me a broadside shot. Um.

1394
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: It depends on the wind direction somewhat, and I've and

1395
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: some bucks just want to be down wind of that decoy,

1396
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: but more often than not, they tend to circle that decoy,

1397
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: um towards what probably appears to be its weak side,

1398
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: not having an antler there, so if it's facing right

1399
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: towards you, then they start circling towards the front of

1400
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: the decoy, then they're gonna give you a broadside shot.

1401
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: So that's my setup, And if I use a dough

1402
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: with it, I'll just park the dough about ten yards

1403
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: are so in front of the buck and it just

1404
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: looks like it's a rut situation where he's got her

1405
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: pinned down and he's standing there staring at her, and

1406
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: man that that brings him in like you're reeling them

1407
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: in with us fishing reel. You know, I've never had

1408
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: any luck with decoy. It's would you agree it's kind

1409
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: of one of those high risk, high reward type things, Bernie.

1410
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: That's the way I look at it, at least, Yeah,

1411
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: I think so. I think there's more risk. Um the

1412
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: risk comes from other doughs. I think most of the time.

1413
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna if you're gonna have trouble

1414
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: with deer that are not comfortable around your decoy, it's

1415
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: gonna be an old, mature dough that gives you the problem.

1416
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: And they'll usually give you the most problem with us

1417
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: with the dough decoy. So Um, you know, there's some

1418
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: risk involved, but I've been using buck decoys more and

1419
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: more over the years. That's that's kind of a trend

1420
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 1: for me, that I'm using them a lot. Mhm um.

1421
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: Do you so? One of the things I think about

1422
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to decoys, at least for me, is

1423
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: that I'm much more apt to use a decoy in

1424
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: an area where I think the hunting pressure is pretty low,

1425
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: where I think there's also like a larger number of

1426
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: mature bucks. So I'll use a dear decoy when I'm

1427
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: hunting in southern Ohio. But when I'm home in Michigan,

1428
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: where there's just tons and tons of hunters and there's

1429
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 1: not many mature bucks, I've always shied away from them.

1430
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: Do you have a similar thought process or are you

1431
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: just using them anywhere Central Minnesota, Southeast Iowa. You'll try

1432
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: it wherever. Yeah, I guess I hadn't really thought about

1433
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: it that way, But decoy's calling and rattling are all

1434
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: kind of similar in that way that if you've got

1435
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: more mature bucks and you have a more balanced buck

1436
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 1: doo ratio, then you've got more competition for the does.

1437
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: And rattling calling a decoy and just work better because

1438
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: that's what the deer accustomed to. Now Here, anybody every

1439
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: every year and Apple gets to breathe a dough where

1440
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: I live at home, you know, so like you can

1441
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: rattle and call and they just kind of look like what,

1442
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, who cares? Right, Um, they're not even a custody.

1443
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: They don't even really hear a mature buck fight hardly.

1444
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: A lot of little bucks go through their whole lives,

1445
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: probably never even hearing that. Yeah, yeah, I feel like

1446
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: that's but at least I always thought that was the case.

1447
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: Um here in Michigan. And now I've actually seen maybe

1448
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: not a mature buck fight, but I've just seen more

1449
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: rattling or more sparring happen, and it kind of has

1450
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: made me wonder maybe I should try more rattling here.

1451
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: But but I always fall back to just worrying about

1452
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: the potentialist spook. Dear. But I don't know, Um, I

1453
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: don't think that is a Do you think that's a

1454
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: genetic or inherited thing? To run to that noise even

1455
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,759
Speaker 1: though they may have never heard it before, is similar

1456
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: to maybe a snort wese. I don't know, Um, if

1457
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: might be a curiosity, would you would I think it's

1458
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 1: curiosity more than anything. Yeah, well, I don't know that

1459
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: it would be genetic. I think I would say it's curiosity. Yeah, yeah,

1460
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: I think that probably makes sense. And I do think

1461
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: that it's a it's a learned thing to a degree.

1462
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: And I think for those bucks that live in areas

1463
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: where there's much more competition and that type of thing

1464
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: is happening much more often, I just think those those

1465
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: deer just become more conditioned to know that something they

1466
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: need to get in on, or they need to see

1467
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: what's going on there, versus an area where there's a

1468
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: very sparse deer population, very few older bucks that are

1469
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna be sparring. I think in that type of area

1470
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: where it just happens so rarely when a deer here's

1471
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: that it's it's either what Bernie just said, and maybe

1472
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,560
Speaker 1: they do have a curiosity reaction, or they have the

1473
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't like the sound of that I'm getting out here,

1474
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: especially if it's a spot where they're getting rattled that

1475
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: all the time and they just here and they associate

1476
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: that with hunter. Yeah. And the other thing is um

1477
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: dearer individuals bucks or individuals, And I use the word personalities,

1478
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: although it's probably not the accurate term. But you know,

1479
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: one buck is just more curious, or he maybe just

1480
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: a fighter and he wants to go over there and

1481
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: see who's what's happening, get in on the action. Another

1482
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: bite buck might he might tuck his tail and sneak

1483
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: off when he hears something like that. You know, they

1484
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: all have different temperaments and individual traits. Yeah, have you

1485
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: ever have you ever been able to use something you've

1486
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: learned about a specific bucks personality to kill him. I

1487
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen a buck several days in

1488
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: a row and you've learned something about him, or over

1489
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: the course of a year or multiple years, has that

1490
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: ever played into an actual strategy for you. Um, I

1491
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: can't remember any case where it has. I was just

1492
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: thinking a couple of days ago about when I lived

1493
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: in Iowa in the postseason open on October one, and

1494
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: I had this buck tinned down. I mean I had

1495
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: him so patterned. In fact, I was bragging at the

1496
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: archery shop that I was going to kill this buck

1497
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: on opening day. And I don't know what happened to him,

1498
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: but I looked like an idiot because the day before

1499
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: the season, he was gone and I never did find

1500
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: him again. So uh yeah, but so you know, off

1501
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: the top of my head, I really can't think of

1502
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: anything that is a chink in the buck's armor that

1503
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: allowed me to kill him. Yeah, just a matter of

1504
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: be in the right place at the right time. Especially,

1505
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: I think on a lot of these public line hunts too,

1506
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot harder to figure out specific bucks

1507
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: when you've got other people in there. You're usually only

1508
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: able to hunt a spot for a limited amount of time.

1509
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: That's a tough a tough angle. So yeah, it is.

1510
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: You're you're hunting areas. What you do is you're you're

1511
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: trying to hunt specific spots where you think you'd have

1512
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: a chance to shoot a buck, rather than trying to

1513
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: pattern an individual buck. He only got a week or

1514
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: in days to do it. It's really really difficult. So

1515
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm concentrating on terrain and and uh you know,

1516
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: tracks and trails and and sign and so forth, trying

1517
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: to determine where I've got a really good chance of

1518
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: of having a buck come by and hoping it's a

1519
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. Now, we we talked about this a

1520
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,440
Speaker 1: little bit. We're probably a decent bit last time. Um,

1521
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: But I'm always curious and like hearing like real specific examples,

1522
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: because I think people hear some of these general terms

1523
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: a lot, like pinch point or betting area. They hear

1524
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: these things a lot, but what does that actually look

1525
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: like in the real world. So my question, Bernie is,

1526
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: could you maybe describe for us a few of those

1527
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: types of areas or places that you key in on

1528
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: and maybe give us a specific example of a few

1529
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: of those spots that you've found on public land that

1530
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 1: have been worth spending some time during these trips of yours. Um,

1531
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: they might help us, you know, better envisioned what we

1532
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: should look for ourselves. Yeah, I can speak specifically to

1533
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: is like pinch points and betting areas and so forth.

1534
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: The I've got a spot on a public hunting property

1535
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: in Kansas. That's I've killed three mature bucks in the

1536
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: last four years, um, and actually five years, four years

1537
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: that I've drawn a tag um. Uh yeah for three

1538
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: bucks and five years I've hunted four times in five years.

1539
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: So uh. And what it is. It's a river. It's

1540
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: a pretty good sized river with a really steep bank

1541
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: and then it's open fields on one side. With a

1542
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 1: strip of timber that connects two other larger blocks of

1543
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: timber that's along the river. And it's the only reason

1544
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: that there's not a lot of other hunters back in

1545
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: there is because it's like a mile and three quarters

1546
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: from the road, and uh, it's hard to get back into. Well, um,

1547
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: if you guys really willing to work and put a

1548
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: stand in there, you know, just park your butt there

1549
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: and hunt mornings and evenings for a week. Yere, chances

1550
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: of killing a pretty decent buck are pretty good, you know,

1551
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: really good in fact. And it's just one of those

1552
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: places where you've got to You've got a lot of

1553
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: doughs betting on the hillsides to the north, and then

1554
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: you've got a bottom that's like a kind of a

1555
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 1: flat I don't know how to describe it, but it's, uh,

1556
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: it's mostly mature timber, but it's big enough that the

1557
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: canopy hasn't um you know, blocked all of the undercover

1558
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: from the sunlight. And there's a lot of doughs down

1559
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: in that area. So it's two areas with a lot

1560
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: of doughs that are connected by a narrow strip of

1561
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: timber with open field on one side and the river

1562
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: bank on the other and you look at it, and

1563
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: the thing is, you don't really see it. If you

1564
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: look at it on Google Earth, you wouldn't really look

1565
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: at that and go wild. That's a classic pinch point.

1566
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: But when you get out there and you see how

1567
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,640
Speaker 1: the deer actually moved through it, then you're just like

1568
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: co lea cow, this is a gold mine and it

1569
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: really is. Um. So that's a good example, especially a

1570
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: good example of why it's important to do that day

1571
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: of walking around like you talked about doing, because if

1572
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: you just looked at the Google or if you just

1573
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: looked at your satellite imagery or whatever it is you're

1574
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: looking at, like you said, you might miss that. So

1575
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: that's that's an an interesting example of that. Mm hmm.

1576
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: So sorry what we're gonna say for that. Oh um.

1577
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna also mention the betting areas. Um, there's

1578
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 1: a I was thinking of a specific property in Missouri

1579
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: that I've haunted as a big piece of public land,

1580
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: and I discovered where a lot of the does like

1581
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: the bed on the hillside. It's pretty thick in there.

1582
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: And then it's also an area where um, they can

1583
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of get out of the wind and they could

1584
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: see in front of them, but the wind that's in

1585
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: a northwest wind, which you get a lot, you know

1586
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: in November, they can smell what's behind them and see

1587
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: what's in front of them, and then they can duck

1588
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: into some really thick multi flora rose if they get disturbed.

1589
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: And that particular spot I just hunt down wind of

1590
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: that spot and bucks ten the circle down wind of it,

1591
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: along the edge of a food plot that the Missouri

1592
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: DNR has put in there, and that that's been a

1593
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: pretty good spot for me. I haven't actually killed a

1594
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: buck in that spot, but it's just a matter of time. Um.

1595
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: I've let some pretty decent ones going just because it

1596
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: feels so good. I keep thinking one of these days

1597
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: of one is gonna walk by me, and so that

1598
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: that's just another example of the type of things that

1599
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: you really like to find on public land. And it's

1600
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: those are things that most people don't see. Um. You know,

1601
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: some guy might go out there and see a trail

1602
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: where the deer walking in and out of this. Um,

1603
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: this corn plot the d NR in there has planted

1604
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 1: about twenty acres of corn and you would circle that

1605
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: and there's three or four really well beat down trails.

1606
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: Most people just set up on one of those trails

1607
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: and they'll see those all day long. But if you

1608
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: really figure out how the bucks are working if they're

1609
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: not using those trails, Yeah, that makes sense. I've always

1610
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: and to your point, whenever I see something like that,

1611
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: like a food plot or some type of man made

1612
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: opening on this public land, some type of habitat improvement,

1613
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: I always assume that every hunter that does come out

1614
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: here is going to key in on that, and so

1615
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I sometimes avoid that because I'm like, wow, this is

1616
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: just where everyone's going to obviously try to be. But

1617
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to your point, there's probably still ways to to to

1618
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: utilize the information. Okay, yes this is still gonna be

1619
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: a draw, but I know other hunters are going to

1620
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: be here and here. How can I still utilize that

1621
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: to to inform where I go just back off away

1622
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: from where those hunters might be, or figure out what

1623
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: the betting is in relation to that. Um, that's an

1624
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: important point. Here's the question I like to ask a

1625
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:48,600
Speaker 1: lot of public guys, land guys. When you find a

1626
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: piece of property and maybe you you've seen a big

1627
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: buck that you're kind of targeting, but there's also other

1628
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: hunters that are hunting it. How often does an other

1629
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: hunter's location or their pattern effect where you're going to hunt? Basically?

1630
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: Are are you using where other hunters are at to

1631
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: establish your tree stand locations? Um? You mean am I

1632
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: using basically hunters as a way to move dear to me? Yea, Um,

1633
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: I can't say that. I really do that. Um. I

1634
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: know that dear pattern the hunters on a property, but

1635
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 1: it tends to be more where these hunters are walking

1636
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: in and out and not so much where, because I mean,

1637
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: it's so random where hunters put up their stands. I

1638
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: I walked through the woods and I go, well, there's

1639
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: a climber in there at the base of the tree.

1640
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: The guys obviously coming back, and what is he doing here?

1641
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: You know? And uh, But there's been other times when I, um,

1642
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 1: I've had a tree stand, went out there before daylight,

1643
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: climbed up the three stand, got settled in, and start

1644
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: to get daylight, and all sudden I hear rattling and

1645
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, holdly, cow, that's really close. And I look,

1646
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: it gets just daylight enough. I look over, here's a

1647
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: guy in a tree stand forty yards from me, Like,

1648
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: holy's this a little too close. And another case where

1649
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: I found a really good spot on a ridge and

1650
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I got to get a stand in

1651
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: here after the morning hunt. So um hunting for a

1652
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: few hours in the morning, and I went back to

1653
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: my truck and grabbed a stand, a set of sticks,

1654
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: and I get out there. I start trimming branches. I

1655
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: get about three sticks up and I hear this. I

1656
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: look over and here's the guy in a tree stand

1657
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: literally twenty yards from me. And he let me get

1658
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 1: the third stick up there before he even said anything.

1659
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, and I just said, uh, you know,

1660
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm half done here. Are you gonna hunt here in

1661
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: the evening? And he goes, well, I just hunt here

1662
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: in the morning. I said, do you mind if I

1663
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: just put my stand up here because I I want

1664
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 1: to hunt in here this evening And he said, okay,

1665
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 1: that was that was weird. But you know, um, but

1666
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: I can't really say that I've ever tried the pattern

1667
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: hunters and use them to, you know, try to flank

1668
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: them based on the way the deer movement or something.

1669
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: You just don't know when they're coming and going. The

1670
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: thing with public land hunters, most of them just hunt

1671
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: on the weekends, or maybe they run out to their

1672
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: stand a couple of evenings a week after they get

1673
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: off work or something like that. So most weekday mornings

1674
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 1: you have the place to yourself. Um, not so much

1675
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: on the weekends, but mornings you you normally do. And

1676
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: then some evenings. And because most local hunters are hunting

1677
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: after work, they're not getting very far from the road.

1678
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: And uh, more and more people are getting way back

1679
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 1: in off the road. People are willing to work harder

1680
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: than they ever used to. So you know, you get

1681
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: a mile back off the road and you run into

1682
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: a guy and you're like, man, I really didn't expect

1683
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: to see anybody back in here, but it happens more

1684
01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 1: and more. Still, those deer are mostly undisturbed, though, was

1685
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 1: what I was just gonna ask, because I feel like

1686
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 1: more and more people are talking about how to hunt

1687
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: these public places. More people are hearing get as far

1688
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: away from the parking lots or get into these hard

1689
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: to reach areas. I I was curious. So it sounds

1690
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: like that is the case that more people are doing that.

1691
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Has that forced you to change how you're hunting public

1692
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: land at all recently? Or is it just you know,

1693
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: you're just more apt to have you're your plan screwed up,

1694
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: just persevere. Yeah, I think that's the second part of that.

1695
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: It's the way it is. I haven't figured out how

1696
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Um. You know, in most lands,

1697
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 1: you can't just you can't go any deeper. You know,

1698
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: you get you get to the point where you're at

1699
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: the best quality habitat as deep as you can go.

1700
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: And then I mean two years ago, I walked back

1701
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: into a place and uh, I was hanging a trail

1702
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: camera and I saw a movement of a guy coming

1703
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: to guy was coming down the trail, and uh I

1704
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: walked up to him. Because I always try to make

1705
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: friends with everybody, you know, I rather sit down with

1706
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: a guy and say, okay, you know, where are you hunting?

1707
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: How are you hunting? Um, I'd rather do that than

1708
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: trip over him, you know, compare notes. You know. I

1709
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 1: even trade phone numbers sometimes with him and say, you know,

1710
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: where are you going in the morning. And I've made

1711
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: good friends that way. But the surprising thing about this

1712
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: guy is that when um, he he had he bought

1713
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: my book and he's like, yeah, I read your book. Great,

1714
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: that was brilliant you know, so, um, just uh yeah,

1715
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: so I'm partly responsible for it. You know, I've saw

1716
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: a lot of those freelance hunter books, and anybody that

1717
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: likes to hunt public land, you know, just about everybody

1718
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: wants one and and there it's gonna lead you to

1719
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: the same types of places where I'm hunting. So there

1720
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: you go. You can only blame yourself. Are you saying

1721
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: to not buy your book? No, at least don't buy

1722
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: that book. Yeah. Well there's a piece of property at

1723
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: southeast I well, if you're playing hunt that this year,

1724
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: don't play my book. But anywhere else that's fine. Yeah.

1725
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: So speaking of you ruining good secrets, Bernie, um, you

1726
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: you've got an interesting series that you've been putting together

1727
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: for North American Whitetail for a little while now, um,

1728
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,639
Speaker 1: towards the back of their issues, where you talk about

1729
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: some maybe a little bit under the radar areas that

1730
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: are worth taking a look at from a public land standpoint. Um.

1731
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: And so since it's already out in the world, North

1732
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: American White Tails published it, I'm sure tens or thousands

1733
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: of people have seen that. Now I think it's fair

1734
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Can you share that's a handful

1735
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of those places that you've found to be good general

1736
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: spots that you've recommended in those columns or elsewhere, that

1737
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: maybe people aren't taking advantage of yet. Yeah, if a

1738
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: guy wants to go hunt um public land where there's

1739
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 1: loads and loads of public land. Um, you're not going

1740
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: to see a hundred fifty class dear, but you've got

1741
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: a chance to shoot at three year or year old

1742
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: one thirty one thirty five. And that's North Dakota along

1743
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: the Missouri River system. There is you'll have plenty available room,

1744
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,759
Speaker 1: there's a few people hunting them. It's low population, tons

1745
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: of public land. UM. North Dakota also has a program

1746
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: they call plots p o lts. It's private land open

1747
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: to sportsman and it's UM. It's primarily upland bird habitat.

1748
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of pheasant hunting stuff, but

1749
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good deer hunting on it and

1750
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,759
Speaker 1: most people don't even think about it as deer habitat.

1751
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: So that's one of them I would talk. I would

1752
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: recommend um the whole you know, the western part of Kentucky.

1753
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 1: And the season opens in Kentucky on the first Saturday

1754
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: in September. So if you ever want to shoot a

1755
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 1: velvet buck, um, Western Kentucky is really good and there's

1756
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 1: some huge properties. The land between the lakes Um gets

1757
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: a fair amount of hunting pressure. But then there's also

1758
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: a couple other large properties that you can hunt. It's

1759
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: all public land and uh so that's another good one.

1760
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, the walk in hunting areas in Kansas. I

1761
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: mentioned North Dakota has the plots program. The one in

1762
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Kansas is called Weehaw walk In Hunting Area and that's

1763
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: also geared at, you know, quail and pheasant hunters. But

1764
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: there is a lot of good deer hunting property available

1765
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: and there's just so much of it that it spreads

1766
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: the pressure out pretty well. So those are three that

1767
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I can think of off the top of my head,

1768
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: and you know I'm working on more. I just did

1769
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: one on the Tennessee Tom big Bay Tom Bigbie what

1770
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:40,520
Speaker 1: I think Tennessee Tom Bigbie um property UM in Louisiana

1771
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: and Georgia, and uh that looks like a lot of

1772
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: fun hunt because it's almost all boat based hunting where

1773
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: you have to go out to islands and stuff. The

1774
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Mississippi Rivers like that too, Um, so, you know, some

1775
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: of these are places that I've hunted and others are

1776
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: just places that Gordon Whitinton, editor in North American White Jail,

1777
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: and I have sat down and said, let's do some research,

1778
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: let's find out what are available at these and and uh,

1779
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a series of about a dozen of them.

1780
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: And I think I've done six or seven of them

1781
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: so far. And most of those are places I've actually

1782
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: hunted myself, and some of them aren't. But I've just

1783
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 1: done the research, made calls to biologists and you know,

1784
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: looked at at at satellite photos and stuff like that

1785
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: to really learn the properties that so I can give

1786
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: some decent advice on how to haunt them. Yeah. Yeah,

1787
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: I found him interesting so far. Um, I think it's

1788
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: a good idea. Although there's probably a handful of guys

1789
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: out there when they read these articles that are just

1790
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: cursing you after after you put them out there. Not

1791
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: my secret spot. Yeah, well they're pretty big areas, so yeah,

1792
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: and realistically there there there isn't like there's a million

1793
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: people that are out there doing this. You know. It's

1794
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: a growing number of people that I call freelance bowl

1795
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: hunters where they're packing their truck and going to a

1796
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: new area and and just try and a new spot.

1797
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. It's a fun way to hunt,

1798
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: and it's challenging and you'll learn a lot. And uh,

1799
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people in Michigan and

1800
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and the East Coast that they're watching the Outdoor

1801
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: Channel and they're going, Man, I could never kill a

1802
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: buck like that where I live. Well, you can go

1803
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:20,640
Speaker 1: in two places that have bucks like that. You just

1804
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: got to work for them, for sure. Is there anything

1805
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: else from a mental standpoint for a guy that's going

1806
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: out to do something like that, let's say in Michigan

1807
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: or New Hampshire or Georgia or wherever. And let's say

1808
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: in a lot of these places, heavier hunting pressure, lower

1809
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: numbers of mature bucks they go out on one of

1810
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: these hunts. Um, is there anything from a mental side

1811
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: that you think that this guy or girl should be

1812
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: keeping in mind, maybe about how to handle the hunt,

1813
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: or the moment of truth or anything else. I think

1814
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: the most important advice I could give people would just

1815
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: be the first time you go, just don't get your

1816
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: expectations too high. Just go out there. Try to learn,

1817
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: have fun, um, really scout hard, and and um, you know,

1818
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: just go with the expectation that you're just gonna try

1819
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 1: to learn the properties and learn how to be a

1820
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 1: better deer hunter. Spend a whole week just you know,

1821
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 1: learning how to be a better deer hunter. And um,

1822
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: if you shoot a buck, fine, if you don't, that's

1823
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 1: fine too. The more you go back to a property,

1824
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: the better you'll hunt it, because you've got a you know,

1825
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: you've got a library of information in your mind about

1826
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: what you've seen in the past. So um, there's two

1827
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: kinds of people that like to do this. Um. Some

1828
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,759
Speaker 1: of them like to find a really good piece of property,

1829
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: really learn it good, and then just go back their

1830
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 1: year after year after year after year. And there's other people,

1831
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: which is kind of more like me, where I just

1832
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: get such a thrill out of seeing what's over the

1833
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: next hill, and I sometimes go back to the same

1834
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: properties that I really like, like that one in Kansas.

1835
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: But I also, you know, I got a spot in

1836
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: western Nebraska where I was on my way to Kansas

1837
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and I put out some cameras

1838
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: while I was in in Nebraska, and then I just

1839
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: put them out and then I went and hunted in

1840
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Kansas and I came back and picked him up on

1841
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: my way back, and I'm just like, man, I gotta

1842
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: get out there and hunt. Well these days, I just

1843
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: can't wait to try this new spot. So um that

1844
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 1: that'd be my advice. Just relax, have fun with it,

1845
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: and if it happens, it happens, and the second year

1846
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 1: you go back, you can get a lot more focused

1847
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: on really trying to get a buck. Then the first

1848
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: year you're just learning. Yeah, yeah, I think that's good advice.

1849
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: Speaking of um, speaking in the mental side of things,

1850
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: This is this is just in general is something that

1851
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: I think I'm just personally kind of becoming more and

1852
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 1: more fascinated with because with the podcast, right, we've gotten

1853
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: to talk to dozens and dozens and dozens, if not hundreds,

1854
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 1: of different very successful deer hunters, and I keep finding

1855
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: that there's so many different ways to go about it

1856
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 1: to kill mature buck. Um. So now I've been thinking

1857
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: through and reflecting and all the different people have talked to,

1858
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: trying to parse out, like, what are the consistencies, what

1859
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: are the things that most of these people, even though

1860
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 1: they go about things very differently almost always do have

1861
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 1: in common? Like, what are those common threads that bind

1862
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: together all these most successful people? And I'm I'm developing

1863
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: some of my own theories, but I'm curious for you,

1864
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: whether it be based on people you've talked to or

1865
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: maybe just assumptions you have. What do you what do

1866
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: you think are some of those key characteristics, Um, maybe

1867
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: that that are most commonly found in those very most

1868
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: successful people. I think I would say there's two of

1869
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: the number. The number one and most important one is

1870
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 1: the willingness to work hard. Um, the willingness are really

1871
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: put in the time and walk the miles and do

1872
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:50,480
Speaker 1: what needs to be done. Um, that's the number one characteristic.

1873
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I just did a story for North

1874
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: American Whitetail Online. It was called six Reasons You've never

1875
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: shot a booner. And I've I interviewed like, um, four

1876
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: or five people who have shot multiple booners. And you know,

1877
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: it's not pure luck, it's these guys are dedicated, They

1878
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: put in their time and h So you know, that

1879
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: would be the number one thing. And the second thing

1880
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: is some people are just better at absorbing knowledge and um,

1881
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, seeing things and filing that away and then

1882
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: using it the next time they see it. I don't

1883
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: know if there's a name for it or how to

1884
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: actually describe, um, how this works, but some people are

1885
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: are just kind of better at learning and applying what

1886
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 1: they see to make them a better hunter. Does that

1887
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: make sense? Yeah? I mean yeah, And and I might

1888
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: um suggest or I might guess that maybe the biggest

1889
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: difference there is that a lot of guys hear stuff,

1890
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 1: but a very much smaller portion of that number of

1891
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: people to hear about something actually execute on it. Would

1892
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: you here with that? Yeah, I would definitely agree with that.

1893
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: And then that kind of goes back to what I

1894
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Speaker 1: just said to about the actual you know, picking up

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01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,840
Speaker 1: knowledge kind of filing in a way, comparing it um observation.

1896
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Some people are really good observers. Um. One guy can

1897
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Speaker 1: walk through the woods and not hardly see anything, and

1898
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: the next guy, you know, walks through and learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: And that that's partly personality, but it's also something that

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Speaker 1: can be developed and learned and trained. Mm hmm. Do

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Speaker 1: you do you have any ideas on how to get

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Speaker 1: better at that? Is it just like recognizing the need

1903
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Speaker 1: to get better and just paying more attention or has

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Speaker 1: there been anything that has helped you get better at

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Speaker 1: that that you can speak to. Yeah, I think paying

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Speaker 1: more attention is a good way to put it, because

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01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: slow down and just really observe what's going on around you. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I read books about some of these guys

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Speaker 1: that are incredible trackers, and you know, the things that

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Speaker 1: they notice and things like that, and um, these guys

1911
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Speaker 1: are so detail oriented that that's my That's one thing

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Speaker 1: that I have to work on. I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just not detail oriented enough. I have to really learn

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01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: and work on being detail oriented. What what am I seeing?

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Speaker 1: What do these tracks mean? Um? You know which because

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Speaker 1: this book is facing this way and my trail camera picture,

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Speaker 1: you know, what can I learn from where he's coming

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Speaker 1: from at what time and where he's going to and

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Speaker 1: things like that. There's um you know, it's it's just

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Speaker 1: really detail oriented stuff that makes you get better and better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think i'd I definitely have to agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Um Dan, do you have any final thoughts here as

1923
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Speaker 1: we start wrappings out? You're there to sleep on us?

1924
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I'm here, I'm here. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: My dog was barking, so I had to shut my

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Speaker 1: mic off anyway. Uh. Over the last couple of years, uh,

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Speaker 1: let's say, you know, let's say five ten years. You know,

1928
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Speaker 1: you've started to get into a rhythm of you know,

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Speaker 1: going and doing what it is that you do. Um,

1930
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Speaker 1: what has been the number one thing that you could

1931
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Speaker 1: take away as a learning experience over the last let's

1932
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Speaker 1: say five years as a bow hunter? Um? You know,

1933
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Speaker 1: I've been bowing for forty five years, and I was

1934
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: for too long. I was just kind of too serious

1935
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Speaker 1: about it. I mean that sounds crazy probably at this point,

1936
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm fifty eight years old now and

1937
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 1: and my grandsons are starting to get into bow hunting

1938
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: before too long here, and I'm I'm just kind of

1939
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: stopping and smelling the roses more. And maybe that's not

1940
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 1: what people want to hear, because they want to hear

1941
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: that I'm just I'm out there, you know, killing a

1942
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: huge buck every week or in November or something. But

1943
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: for me, I'm I'm just Um, I'm at a point

1944
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: where I just enjoy every day that I'm in the

1945
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: woods more than I ever had before, and I kind

1946
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: of relax. I used to put so much pressure on mean,

1947
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 1: he's I'm a writer. I'm writing columns and these magazines

1948
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: about how to kill these books and stuff like that,

1949
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: and I just put so much pressure on myself. I

1950
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: just had to perform, you know, And finally I just went,

1951
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: you know what, I know this stuff, I keep writing it,

1952
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: and uh, this is gonna relax a little bit and

1953
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: and have a little more fun with it. That's kind

1954
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: of where I'm at. And uh, you know, it's brought

1955
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: some of the fun back into Bow Honey gets my job,

1956
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,839
Speaker 1: but it's still made a little more fun than it

1957
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 1: was for a while. Yeah, that's a great point, and

1958
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: it's something that I feel like, you know, Dan and

1959
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: I talk about that a good amount too. But it's

1960
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: something that I always need to be reminded of, Like

1961
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 1: every year, especially this time of year, just as we're

1962
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: getting ramped up. I need to remind myself of that too,

1963
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 1: because I go through the same thing putting pressure on myself.

1964
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Speaker 1: And I think any of us who are who take

1965
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: deer hunting, especially if you're hunting mature bucks, you know,

1966
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 1: if we take that really seriously, if you're passionate about it,

1967
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: if you love it, if it's what you think about

1968
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 1: all year long, Like naturally, it is going to become

1969
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 1: a pressure on you because you want to see whatever

1970
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: it is you've been putting us work into. You want

1971
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: to see that come to fruition. So it makes sense

1972
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: that we'll put pressure on ourselves and we'll stress about it.

1973
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: But if it gets to the point where it's, you know,

1974
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: making it not enjoyable, then why the heck are you

1975
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Speaker 1: doing in the first place. So and and you know,

1976
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: if you get to the point where you feel like

1977
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: you have to kill a bigger Bucks than the last one,

1978
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: eventually you you, you know, you drive yourself into the

1979
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,439
Speaker 1: ground because you can't. You can't keep killing a bigger

1980
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 1: Bucks than the last one. So um, you know, you

1981
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: have to kind of get to the point where for me,

1982
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: because I have a fan base and I have people

1983
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 1: that follow my writing and my YouTube channel and all that,

1984
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,759
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I just have to shoot

1985
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 1: a buck that most of the people that see it

1986
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,680
Speaker 1: would go, yeah, I'd shoot that, And that's kind of

1987
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: where I'm at, And I don't have to kill a

1988
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: one sixty or one seventy. I love it when it happens,

1989
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: but most of the time I'm just happy to get

1990
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 1: a buck and have some venicon and and uh put

1991
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: the rack and a pile in the corner of the

1992
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 1: garage because I don't I don't mount very many of

1993
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,479
Speaker 1: too much. I'd rather use the money to go on

1994
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: another hunt. So there you go. It's all about being practical,

1995
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: right right. So is there anything Bernie, that we haven't

1996
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: touched on yet that you find to be one of

1997
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 1: those glaring gaps in most hunters knowledge base, or a

1998
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: weakness or a mistake that you just hear about or

1999
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 1: see being made so often? Is there anything we haven't

2000
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: touched on like that that you want to make sure

2001
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: we do. So the one thing I would bring up,

2002
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: I think is that there just aren't any secrets. Um.

2003
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's looking for a shortcut or a secret

2004
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: or something that's going eliminate their scent. You know, there

2005
01:46:02,360 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: there's value in reducing your scent. I I go through

2006
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: scent control scent reduction UM. And that's just one of

2007
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 1: the symptoms. I guess. I would say of people that

2008
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: there's so many people that want to go out and

2009
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 1: shoot a big buck, and they just think that there's

2010
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: some kind of if I can just figure out a shortcut. Um,

2011
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,639
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to do the work. You just

2012
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: have to put the time in, bust your hump and

2013
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: do the work. And you know you might get lucky

2014
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: and shoot a buck once in a while, but if

2015
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 1: you're going to consistently shoot him with your buck, you've

2016
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: got to put your time in and and get out

2017
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: there so that don't don't look for shortcuts. That's my advice. UM,

2018
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, commit to commit to the process. I think

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01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: that's just about as good of a piece of advice

2020
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: to end done as we could ever ask for. So, so, Bernie,

2021
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of stuff that you're

2022
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: putting out there into the world, um for people to

2023
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: to check out and learn from. Where can people find

2024
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: all your stuff? Two things? Actually three? Because I have

2025
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: all I have a YouTube channel. It's got three and

2026
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 1: a half million views now so it's doing all right.

2027
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 1: And you can see the video of this buckeye shot

2028
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 1: in Manitoba. I just put that up um, and it's

2029
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: bow Hunting Road. So if you go to YouTube and

2030
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: do a suits for bow Hunting Road. You can buy

2031
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,879
Speaker 1: my book at Burnie Outdoors dot com. That's the Freelance

2032
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: bow Hunter Book and it's you know, it's it's about

2033
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 1: the traveling hunter that goes to other states and hunts

2034
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: public land. And then the other one is this email

2035
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 1: blast that I've been putting out called Bucks, Bulls and Bears.

2036
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of fun with this, and

2037
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: I've got thirty eight thousand people subscribing to this. Can

2038
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: you believe that it's just going barkers on me? And

2039
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:42,680
Speaker 1: it's called Bucks and Balls and Bears. I sent it

2040
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: out every Tuesday. It's just got a lot of cool stuff.

2041
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: It's got some articles, got some cool videos, some fun

2042
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 1: stuff and a little humor in there too. And that

2043
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: just goes out every Tuesday. So if you go to Bucks,

2044
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 1: Bulls Bears dot com and just sign up for that email,

2045
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: it's free. If you get sick of me, you can

2046
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: just unsubscribe. But like I said, that goes out once

2047
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 1: a week, and and it's there's a lot of public

2048
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 1: land stuff in there and uh hunting information and then

2049
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: some cool videos. It's it's a lot of fun and

2050
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of taken on a life of its own.

2051
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised that it's already up up the

2052
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 1: thirty eight thousand drivers that's that's a lot of folks

2053
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: taking look at an email. I feel like i'd have

2054
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: I feel a lot of pressure if I was sending

2055
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 1: an I get nervous on sending one person an email

2056
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 1: and make sure I got my words right. That's cool though,

2057
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well, I'll make sure to include links in

2058
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: the blog post for this podcast links to everything you

2059
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 1: just mentioned, um, so people can go check it out.

2060
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 1: So thank you, Bernie. I really appreciate you taking the

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01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 1: time to chat with us about all this all right,

2062
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: appreciate the opportunity. Thank you of course, good luck this

2063
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Speaker 1: season and that will do it for us today. So

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01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 1: big thank you to sit a gear YETI Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, the White Tail Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge,

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Speaker 1: and hunt Ram Maps. Big big things to these partners

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Speaker 1: of our who helped keep the lights on, who keep

2068
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Speaker 1: the podcast coming out, who keep the website up and going.

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01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 1: We couldn't do it without them. So if you're looking

2070
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: for some new gear, check those guys out. They make

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01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: some of the best stuff in the business. Moving on,

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01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: of course, thanks to all of you for listening. I

2073
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it and If you're hitting the woods in the

2074
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: coming days, good luck out there, be safe, have fun,

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.