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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with white tail

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Speaker 1: killer Tyler Jones. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He sent me a text last week saying

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Speaker 1: something like, I'm gonna go get some botox so I

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Speaker 1: don't have to use so many filters on my TikTok's

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest here. I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: that means. I don't know what language he's speaking half

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Speaker 1: the time, but I just I wish him luck on

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Speaker 1: that with whatever that means. Today's guest is Tyler Jones.

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Speaker 1: Tyler is a born and raised Texan who is one

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Speaker 1: of the most successful public land bow hunters out there.

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Speaker 1: He's also one of my favorite people in the industry.

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Speaker 1: He produces a pile of white tail content for his brand,

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Speaker 1: which is called The Element. From their podcast to their

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Speaker 1: YouTube videos, Tyler and his partner Casey Smith, are dedicated

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Speaker 1: to representing hunting as it really is. They show it

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Speaker 1: as it actually happens out there, and they're really good

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Speaker 1: at it. In this episode, we cover a bunch of

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Speaker 1: different topics, ranging from setting realistic hunting standards to embracing

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Speaker 1: new hunting challenges to really figuring out your own hunting

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Speaker 1: style so that you'll love the process and every second

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Speaker 1: of the time yere in the field. The lessons in

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Speaker 1: this show are good for every month of the deer season,

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Speaker 1: and they carry right on over to the off season

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Speaker 1: as well. Tyler, how are you, buddy? I'm doing well, man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. It is always wonderful to

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Speaker 1: see your face. And I gotta tell you, man, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. And there isn't no joke here between you

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Speaker 1: and Casey. Who's your partner in crime? They're over at

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Speaker 1: the Element. I don't know if there's ten people in

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Speaker 1: the country the last few years who have who have

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Speaker 1: put together as impressive of a public land white tail

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Speaker 1: run as you guys have you? Guys? Are you? It's

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Speaker 1: it's amazing what you've done. Well, thanks man, I've been

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Speaker 1: super blassed. Man. I I um, I would work really

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that have to come together

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Speaker 1: for you to actually kill a deer way back on

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Speaker 1: public land. So I just feel grateful man, that I've

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Speaker 1: been able to do it a lot, you know. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you're being humble because you're you're on a freaking terror

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Speaker 1: and it is awesome to see. And Casey is not

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Speaker 1: letting you pull too far ahead because that dude's putting

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Speaker 1: down some big deer on public too. How many, just

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Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, how many bucks had you killed

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Speaker 1: this year? Killed four so far on public um? And

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Speaker 1: I killed four public in four different states last year

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Speaker 1: and one uh here at my property where I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: right now, that was really a big one. I chased

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Speaker 1: him for a long time, so I had that was

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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, there's there's still a lot of time left.

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Speaker 1: And all those bucks were on film too, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: got I was just like Dade. I'm killing this, dear man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it just didn't didn't always work

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Speaker 1: So you're you're not the wisest guy in the woods,

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Speaker 1: how I called it, but quite a bit different. And

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00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sitting there and going, why why

428
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: did that buck peel off of that hill and cut

429
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: through here this way? When I was like, I would

430
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: have bet you money he's coming through this way, or

431
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: he's coming through that way, or I would have bet

432
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: you money that all the deer movement comes from this

433
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: side of the farm to that side of the the farm.

434
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: And I got so much of that wrong. And I

435
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: love it because it makes me go why, like not

436
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: only why are they doing that? But why did I

437
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: think this? Like why did why did we get this

438
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: stuff wrong? Yeah? Yeah, man, that's in you right, like

439
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: the adventure um that you kind of get when you

440
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: go to a new place. Just kind of like the

441
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: reason the Eason people love a interest so much because

442
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: it kind of is all inspiring, Like you see something

443
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: you haven't seen and you learn something new and you

444
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: think that's really cool, you know. And the thing is

445
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: man um and my dad tells this story and go

446
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: back to fishing here for a second. He um, he

447
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: had some some family come in that uh they lived

448
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: up north, you know, whatever, and they came in to

449
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: Lake four world famous bass fishing, and he's like they

450
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: wanted to go catch big try to catch big bass, right,

451
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: And so him in like three or four other family

452
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: members go out in this boat and you know, it's

453
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of packed, it's a bass boat, and um, they're

454
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: fishing and you know, Lake spring or whatever. He catches

455
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: like a you know, six pounder and like he basically

456
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: reels it in, unhooks it and throws it back in

457
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: like one fell slop. And they're like mouths open, like,

458
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the biggest bass we've ever seen

459
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: in our lives, you know. And my dad's like, you know,

460
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: I catched several six pounders you know a year, you know,

461
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 1: at that point in life. I mean he's you know,

462
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: trying to catch double digits, you know. And so it

463
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of is um you're thinking about, like if your

464
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: circumstances um are similar from day to day and month

465
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 1: to month, year to year, you start to kind of

466
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: lose this appreciation for you know, like the the the

467
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: the glitter and the lamb kind of fades, right and

468
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: you start to go, you know, it's like, um, for

469
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: us here if we see in in East Texas, if

470
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: we see a public land buck that is like legal,

471
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: which means thirteen inches wide or wider. Um, Like, it's like, oh,

472
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: this is incredible, Like, man, we gotta get on this dear,

473
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: you know. And what he is is that he's a

474
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: hundred and five inch eight point you know, and you're

475
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: like freaking out, thinking this is awesome. And if that

476
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: same year, which also, by the way, weighs a hundred

477
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: forty pounds, if that same year, you know, it was

478
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: in Iowa, they would be thinking what is wrong with

479
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: this emaciated you know creature here? You know. And so

480
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those things where, like the

481
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: the moving around and having that adventure, it brings some

482
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: kind of all into you. And it also continues to

483
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: just make you ask why, like you said, because you've

484
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: never seen that before. You've never seen it happen that way,

485
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and so you know it, Uh, it helps you to

486
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: learn more and to uh kind of spread those ideologies

487
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: across in different states and use it differently in different ways,

488
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, and um hopefully become a better hunter because

489
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: um it's uh my dad always says it's fun to

490
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: go deer hunting, but it's also fun to shoot dear,

491
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's it's really fun to shoot here.

492
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: So you know, like pulling the trigger, that's the that's

493
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. You know. People say I don't have to

494
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: pull a trigger to be happy, and that's I feel

495
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 1: the same way. But dude, I don't sit there and

496
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: shake like violently the rest of the hunt, you know

497
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I shake violently after I've shot

498
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: a deer, you know, So that's what's the most fun. Yeah. There,

499
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: We've we've kind of we like to distill stuff down

500
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: to easy explanations, right, And I just love being out there,

501
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, like, well, yeah, that's like or whatever percentage

502
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: of it. There's a lot going on there, Like there's

503
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: more to it. And I come I've come to that

504
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: realization with myself where I'm like, man, I just like

505
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: shooting deer, Like I just I'm not gonna apologize for it.

506
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a thing that I want to

507
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: do four or five, six, seven times a year, and

508
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: I love it. And I want to back up a

509
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: second door and and ask you a question. So when

510
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: you bring up this example of you know, seeing a

511
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: seeing a barely legal Buck down there in Texas on

512
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: public land, you kind of compare it to Iowa. Do

513
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: you worry? Because I wonder if you have the same

514
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: worries I do. So when you guys are filming on

515
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: public land, it's impossible. And this happens with our social

516
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: media too, it's impossible not to kind of run a

517
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: highlight reel, right like you just you just nobody wants

518
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: to see the seven hours you sat there and didn't

519
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: see anything, and you you know, like you're like, I

520
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: want to go home, right, So you you added the

521
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: stuff down to the highlights. And when it comes to

522
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: guys like you, you and Casey, the highlight reel the

523
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: last couple of years is amazing. And so people see

524
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: that and are you just worried? Like people are gonna

525
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: look at that and go that's that's what to expect

526
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: out there, Like are you are you worried about the

527
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: stuff that's left on the cutting room floor? Because I

528
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: I fight with that all the time. Yes, I fought

529
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: with it too, man Like, um, so two years ago

530
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: I killed my first Texas public plan buck and twenty

531
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: nineteen and so um, I actually, um everything went right

532
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: and I can't I mean, I did some things that

533
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: were there were very much right, but it could have

534
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: gone wrong too. Um, I mean he was he there

535
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: was he had been really close to get my win

536
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: when he came in. I mean he did he was

537
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: not down wind and but he was working towards my

538
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: wind as he got out of his bed and worked up.

539
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: But I mean essentially, I'm kind of going into much detail,

540
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: but like he gets out of his bed. Uh, and

541
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: I basically watched him stand up. I didn't see him

542
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: stand up, but I saw him standing where he was bedding,

543
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind. And um, he's like eighty

544
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: yards or maybe ninety yards in per Simmons pretty much,

545
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: and he just stands there. I mean, you've probably watched

546
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: bucks get out of your bed, and if you haven't,

547
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: what they do is like it's like the same as

548
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: you like when you wake up from a hard nap,

549
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: Like you don't do anything for like twenty minutes. You know,

550
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: you just kind of stand there and you're like you

551
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: pee and then you you know, just it's some stuff,

552
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, and you just stand there and look around

553
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: and then finally you get a little more fired up.

554
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: And this deer when he went over and did some

555
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: scrape type stuff, you know, and anyway, um, like I do,

556
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: I got like a lot of footage, a lot of

557
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: what they call pre roll of this deer through the

558
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: per Simmons doing that kind of stuff, and um, you

559
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: know from a eating eighty or nine yards. So so

560
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty good footage, you know. And I decided to

561
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: put a lot of that in there instead of um,

562
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: you know outdoor TV at it where you like, you know,

563
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: show a quick clip and then the next you know,

564
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: five seconds he's coming in and get shot. And I

565
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of people that surprisingly said that they

566
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: really liked that and that I made him feel like

567
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: they were in the stand almost, you know, and so um,

568
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: we still are battling it though. It's weird because you

569
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: would think that after that, I would just go, okay,

570
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: well let me just put as much deer footage in

571
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: there as possible, you know, and make it like a

572
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: real hunt. And at some point, like people still you know,

573
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: you can look at YouTube, people don't care to see

574
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: those people, um don't care to see small bucks really,

575
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: even on public land. A lot of times it's weird,

576
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, like we shoot some bucks that I'm proud

577
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: of and I've sent I sent you pictures you know,

578
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: a deer or whatever that are a hundred and five inches,

579
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: But like it's just I don't know, like even hardcore

580
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: hunters that can appreciate that. We'll still a lot of

581
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: times go watch a one sixty killing on private over over,

582
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, something that was worked really hard for. Maybe

583
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,239
Speaker 1: that's a much smaller dear and so um, it is

584
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: something that I could constantly battle. And actually with our

585
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: South Dakota series this this year, I thought, well, we'll

586
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: put uh, we'll make this, we'll cut these things up

587
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of US hunting and there

588
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: was like it was eight day hunts. It was long,

589
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: and I was I was able to make ten videos

590
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that probably averaged about ten minutes, and I thought, this

591
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: will be cool, you know, and like people will will

592
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: hang in there for ten minutes, surely, you know. And

593
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: they didn't really do that great on YouTube. And we

594
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: killed three bucks on that trip. We killed yeah, we

595
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: killed three you know, good rack bucks on that trip

596
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: on that trip, and so um, I don't know, it

597
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: was a little bit um. I was a little bit perplexed.

598
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: And we released a video somewhere around beginning October as

599
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: well of Deer I killed on public and Kansas Lash

600
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: year not a huge year, um, and it is like

601
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: thirty eight minute video and I mean it's in literally

602
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: since October. It's got like a hundred fifty thousand views,

603
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and just blows my mind because he's not

604
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: that big of a deer. But there's just I don't know,

605
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I think people do appreciate a little bit of uh,

606
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, cool dear footage and being like you're in

607
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: the hunt as opposed to that highlight um rock and

608
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: roll music kind of stuff, you know sometimes. So I

609
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know really how to answer the question.

610
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: And I just, like you, I fight this a lot,

611
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: and I try to figure out what do people want

612
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: to watch. And at the same time, there's an artistic

613
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: aspect that I like as well, where and things meet,

614
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: like things have sentiment to me as well that you

615
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: know in some some of the hunts, and I'm like, man,

616
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: if I take that out, I don't know if I'll

617
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: ever remember to put that back in one day when

618
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: I make my video for myself, you know whatever. I'm

619
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: just gonna watch this on YouTube forever, and I'm going

620
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: to forget that that little thing happened that really meant

621
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot to me, you know. So it's a big

622
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: balancing thing that I can't really figure out as well.

623
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: It's tough, man, And I think we're in ah. I

624
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: think we're in a transitionary period here because for a while,

625
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I made the conscious decision to

626
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: target public land white tills starting in two thousand and ten,

627
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: and solely because of my job at Peterson's Bow Hunting.

628
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, this is not relatable stuff here,

629
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm like the audience is telling me. And so

630
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: it was a business decision partly, and it was partly

631
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: just because I want to challenge myself. And at that time,

632
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: it was like you if you went out and kill

633
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: a buck on public land, people were like, holy cow.

634
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: Like I like, I remember people saying like I didn't

635
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: even think you could do this, you know what I mean.

636
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: Like actually when I started, when I started, I was

637
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: the same way. I was like, thank you, that's hard

638
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: to do. But of course we're in these Texas. It

639
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: is hard to do here, for sure, but it's you know, everybody,

640
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Texas is easier in any aspect, believe me.

641
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: But everybody thinks they live in the hardest place to hunt,

642
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like, and so we

643
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: always do that. We we we bring that to the

644
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: table and we go, well, yeah, I guess you could

645
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: go do this here, but can you do it there?

646
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: And we've seen this over and over and it's just

647
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: generally hard where there's lots of pressure and and and

648
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: if you combine that with low deer density, it gets harder.

649
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: But it's so individualized, like there's so many different variables

650
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: that go on there. So I'm always like, we really

651
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: careful about those statements. But the thing that happened, and

652
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't the only one, you know that the hunting

653
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: public guys they were working for Winkie and they were like, man,

654
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out and do this differently, and they

655
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: crushed it right out of the gate. Like a lot

656
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: of people saw that hole in the market. And what

657
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: we did was we filled it really fast, and we

658
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: made public land hunting really popular. And now we've sort

659
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: of nullified the built in like belief of the challenge,

660
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: like we've sort of said, well, we've seen enough people

661
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: do this, and enough people promote this, so we do

662
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: we always do, and now we go, where's the trophies?

663
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: Like you know, it used to be like imagine, you know,

664
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: eight years ago if you went out and killed two

665
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: pope and young bucks on public land out of state,

666
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: like that was that was a big deal. Right now

667
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: you can go kill four and you're like, yeah, some

668
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: of these videos don't even do that well, Like people

669
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: are already like I need to see six, bro, I

670
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: need to see one. Eighties And it's this the cycle

671
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: of trophy hunting, that's just we we can't really get

672
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: out of our own way with it. And I don't

673
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where we go next with this, but

674
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna burn this public land thing to

675
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: the ground probably and have to go hunt with self

676
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: bows and loincloths or something. I don't. I don't know,

677
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: maybe maybe sitting a tree and drop a brick on him.

678
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell we gotta do. But

679
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna change, and it just it is the way

680
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: it is. But I still think, I still think that

681
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the passion that you're bringing to it and the idea

682
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: that you're looking at that going listen. I don't know,

683
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I feel like this is what people want to see.

684
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Like I think that's a good thing. Like I think

685
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: people showing people more than like you said, the rock

686
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: music and the montage or the deer coming in and

687
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: then killing it in the high fives and all that stuff, Like,

688
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I think that's important still no matter even if the

689
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: perception is changing out there. I guess. I think also

690
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: that one thing we try to do UM and I

691
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: think it's healthy. I think it's also really hard. It's

692
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: at times for us is um we have you know,

693
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: boning is really hard. Man like it, you know, for

694
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: guys like some of the people you've talked about on

695
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: this show, and for you it's um. You're so experienced

696
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: and it happens for you quite a bit compared to

697
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean. And you get

698
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: more shots than other people because maybe you you know,

699
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: you're better you're better hunter, if we're just being frank

700
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: you because you've spent so much time outside and you've

701
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: also you're spending so much time in a stand that

702
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get more opportunities as well, and so like

703
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: the the it's different than the majority of the public.

704
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: And I've I'm starting to really really understand this where

705
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: you know people that even loved deer hunting here locally

706
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: from you know, for us, it's very normal to hunt

707
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: a small piece of property and you know, spent a

708
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: lot of time on it. And what it what ends

709
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: up happening is, um, you know, this is the one

710
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: chance that this guy gets to shoot a deer all

711
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: year and you know, the deer sees him draw and

712
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: he shoots at the deer and it's high dead zone

713
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: or whatever, and and that you know, he never never

714
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: find the deer. And I've got like I've had like

715
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: lots of people that I that I know in the

716
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: last couple of years that you know, love deer hunting.

717
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: It's spent a lot of time out there and maybe

718
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: haven't had quite as much time as as I've been

719
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: blessed to have in the stand that you know, they

720
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: get some pretty good bucks in front of him here

721
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: and there, and they just don't finish the jaw because

722
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: the shot. It's hard to shoot a deer with the

723
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: bow and kill it because they move. And you know,

724
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: especially when you're not hunting a feeder or a small

725
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: food plot, a deer is walking through a small shooting

726
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: lane at some point, you know, it's it's just tough.

727
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: And so I think that, uh, to get back to

728
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: what I was saying, is that we we have shown

729
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: some of our failures on video, and some of our

730
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: highest viewed videos are failed videos, and um, we just

731
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: hope that that sends that message that you're kind of

732
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: talking about is like, that's that kind of gets rid

733
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: of some of the disconnect of highlight reel. You know,

734
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the universe we live in right now, that's you know,

735
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier with like TikTok, it's like,

736
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: show me fifteen seconds of something I've never seen before,

737
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, and it's instead it says, you know, um,

738
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: here's some cool footage of a big buck or a

739
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: big elk or whatever. And we didn't finish the job.

740
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: We just are or you know, I made a liver

741
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: shot and waited eight hours through the night, and when

742
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I came back, you know, I had a deer get

743
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: eaten completely. I'm talking every scrap of meat off that

744
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: thing by coyotes, you know. And so is that in Kansas? Yes,

745
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: and people do not like seeing that. I'll tell you

746
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: that right now. There has been some raging folks on

747
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: that video like, and I didn't like seeing it. It It

748
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: was hard for me to walk. Like when I saw

749
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: the deer, I saw it from like a hundred yards away,

750
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of down into this little you know, drawer or whatever,

751
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: and I knew immediately that I wouldn't get any meat

752
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: off this deer. And the deer, I have no question

753
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: that the deer died from my liver shot before the

754
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: coyotes ate it, because it was in one spot, completely

755
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: pick clean. There was no like snow signs of struggle,

756
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: no hair everywhere or nothing, you know. Um. But still

757
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: it's just like I have so much respect for the animals,

758
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: man and the creation, and like those those um that

759
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: deer in particular, Uler was really really old, Like I

760
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: have thoughts that he's at least twelve years old. I

761
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: know it sounds ridiculous, but I had a buddy actually

762
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: shoot him like three years prior, and he was old

763
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: then and hit high dead zone, you know, and the

764
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: dear live through it. So just like the things they endure, man,

765
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: And then when you make a bad shot, and you know,

766
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: this thing has been living in the wild and the cold,

767
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, and everything else and eating dirt pretty much

768
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: for years and years of its life and you wounded.

769
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: It's not a good feeling, you know, And I just

770
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of want people to know like they're not alone,

771
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it's, uh, we get a lot of

772
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: uh real really rude comments on on that kind of stuff,

773
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: and it's like it's taken a few years for us

774
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: to like become okay with that being the case. You know.

775
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: It's it's hard when people come at you like that.

776
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: It's something you This is something I really really love

777
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: doing and I really try hard to do well. So

778
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: it's difficult, and I would imagine at times still weighs

779
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: on us individually whenever we see a couple come through

780
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: on our own personal video, you know. So yeah, I mean,

781
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: what do you do about that? Right? Like, when we

782
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: we can pretend whatever we want, but when we do

783
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: this stuff, we're checking in to nature in a way

784
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: where we're just a part of it and we're not

785
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: like a perfect assassin like you know, we're checking in

786
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: as something that might make mistakes on this, Like we

787
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: might not do our job perfectly, and that's how that

788
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: ship goes. And you know, the losing things to coyotes

789
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: are losing deer to coyotes. Man, like that's just part

790
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: of the game. In some of these states, like there

791
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: there are places where you could leave a deer all

792
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: night long. I've let me put it this way. I've

793
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: never lost a deer to coyotes ever, And the closest

794
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: I ever came was in North Dakota last year. I

795
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: hit one the night before and went out to try

796
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: to find him, and I saw a coyote like running

797
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: over to this corner and he started. The only thing

798
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: he ate was his balls. I got everything else, So

799
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: I got really lucky. But what I'm saying is, like

800
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: some some places, this is like a real concern. You

801
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: hear that in Kansas a lot like you you just

802
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: do and they're out there covering ground and they run

803
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: across the scent of a wounded deer like they're they're

804
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: going to get on it. In some states like and

805
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: like you just didn't do your job as well as

806
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: you could, Like that's that's all that happens. And like

807
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: when you think about how common it is to not

808
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: make a perfect shot, like that's like our little secret,

809
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: like with all deer hunters or all big game hunters

810
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: are all hunters in generals, like we don't make perfect

811
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: shots a lot of the time, So what comes next

812
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: is up to a lot of different variables, and that's

813
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: one of them. Not you know, the people who I

814
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: get way people are upset with that, but you're also

815
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: looking at a cesspool of idiots in the comments there,

816
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: and it's not a great place to be. And you

817
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: know they weren't there, like they didn't shoot it. They

818
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: don't They didn't have your gut reaction. They didn't have

819
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: to make that game time decision of like how long

820
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: do we leave it? So it's like, well, like you tried, man,

821
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: so sometimes you lose, bro, Dude, I can promise you

822
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: I like I try hard, man. You know, I love

823
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: doing this. I always have, man like you know, I

824
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: uh we released uh so the buck that I killed

825
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: here at my my homestead, I guess um last year.

826
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: This is the first property that I've owned that I've

827
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: been able to hunt on and uh and hunted on.

828
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: And this has literally been a dream of mine since

829
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: I was since I started deer hunting like nine years old,

830
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean having my own property. It

831
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: used to be I wanted the property in South Texas,

832
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted a brush country property, and you know,

833
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: because that was where I killed my first deer, was

834
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: in South Texas on a hunted acre, low fence place,

835
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, down there or whatever. And ever since then,

836
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: I've been just fascinated with that country, you know. But um, yeah,

837
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I did this. We did a film out of this,

838
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: like a not just a video, but like the film

839
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: is literally a hundred minutes, you know, it's an almost

840
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: our forty And um, I didn't know like if people

841
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: would really watch it, you know and listen. I did

842
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: a couple of monologues and intro monologue and I talk

843
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: about all this, you know. And but you know, like

844
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: in that film, like I think people could really connect

845
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: with what I was saying and how much it means

846
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: to me. And I think it got to show aside

847
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: for people, um that maybe a lot of people don't

848
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: see in the YouTube world, you know, because everything is

849
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: so glamorous and quick and you know, just radical and

850
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: whatever it has to be to get attention. But the

851
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: video has actually done really well man. And I I

852
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: mean we there attention on it. You know this not

853
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: people may not care to hear this, but like we have,

854
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: like out of a hundred minutes, we're getting like fifty

855
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: minute average view time. So that's that includes people that

856
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: start the video and go, oh, I didn't know this

857
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: was deer hunting or whatever, you know, and they click

858
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: off in three seconds, and so that's pretty wild that

859
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: like people will sit in and watch something like that

860
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: and listen to me kind of tell my story, and

861
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: I think hopefully they get to see how much truly

862
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I've loved deer hunting for since I was young, when

863
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I used to just draw deer every time I drew something,

864
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's just I don't know what

865
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: it is about, dear, but I have realized in the

866
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: last year that, like I've always been fascinated with them,

867
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: it's not something that I just have pursued in the

868
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: last couple of years because I feel like I can

869
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: do video well and I think I can make some

870
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: money at it. You know, this is something I absolutely

871
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: love doing. You know. Yeah, well, I think that's I think.

872
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, you've got little kids. You see this with

873
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: little kids, and I think we forget this. But I

874
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: think we're really drawn to mystery. Like I think we

875
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: like surprises, and I think we're I think as you get,

876
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: as you become an adult, you sort of fight this

877
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: battle of like if I have realistic spectations, I know

878
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: what's coming. You know, there's no bad surprises, there's nothing

879
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, take me out. It's just kind

880
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: of like consistent, boring bullshit. But we we lean toward it.

881
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: And then you go do something like deer hunting, and

882
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: the coolest thing is when that buck walks over the

883
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: ridge and you're like, I've never seen him before, or

884
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: you you know, like when you I think that. One

885
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: of the coolest things about all this stuff, whether small

886
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: ofll fish and or pheasant hunting or hunting deer, is

887
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: sometimes when you go out there, you're like, I don't

888
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: I I have no faith I'm going to see a deer,

889
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: or have no faith I'm going to catch a good

890
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: smalley or shoot a pheasant. And when when it breaks

891
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: your way, it's like, even though you've done it, you know,

892
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: dozens of times, or hundreds of times, or maybe thousands

893
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: of times, it's still like, I cannot believe that just happened.

894
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: Like when you when you show up at a new

895
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: place and you're like, I read the maps I looked

896
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: at on ax, I walked in here, and you sat

897
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden you look up and

898
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: he's walking on the trail. It's like, holy balls, that's

899
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: an amazing gift that we have. And I think I

900
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: think it really keeps us like inspired to just like

901
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: that that that's like a self feeding thing too, the

902
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: more that you just allow yourself to be, like I

903
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: want to be in a position where like, if this

904
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: this breaks a little bit my way, it's freaking awesome.

905
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if you go kill one, it's it's

906
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: that's like a game changer, but it doesn't have to

907
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: get to that level to be really really good for you. Yeah, dude,

908
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you nailed it. I mean, like Casey always says, you

909
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: have to give amazing a chance to happen, you know.

910
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the whole concept of I can't

911
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: kill him from the couch, you know. So, But like

912
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: I had the same thing happened man and uh in

913
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Kansas about a week and a half ago, And you know,

914
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I had been I had been hunting hard um a

915
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: buck on my dad's lease up there, and I haven't

916
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: hunted he he uh he usually or he we I've

917
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: always had a spot on his lease. You know, I'm

918
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of a low man on the tote total pole

919
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: because he always, you know, lets me hunt out there,

920
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: and so I don't try to step on anybody's toes.

921
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to hunt anybody's dear. And they want

922
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: to shoot big deer, so they try to shoot five

923
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: year old plus dear. And so um, this year, my

924
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: dad didn't draw because everybody saw Crisp's video last year

925
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: and wanted to go shoot deer in Kansas. So they

926
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: all applied and my dad didn't draw, attacked the first

927
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: time like twenty years, you know, and uh and so

928
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: um there was only a couple of guys hunting on

929
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: the lease even this year, and so um, I was like, well,

930
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, there's not gonna be many deer taking off

931
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: the place this year. I'm gonna go hunt this big

932
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: eleven point that we've been watching for, you know, since

933
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: I got video in twenty seventeen. The first year Casey

934
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: and I were hunting Kansas together and Casey took a

935
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: video of him and uh, he's big, big hunting him

936
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: for days and days, I was sick, man, I got

937
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I got food poisoning, I think up there and it

938
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: was miserable, and we get I mean I've literally hunted

939
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: ten days up there, and then um we get a win.

940
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: All right. We spooked him one morning, uh rattled him in,

941
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: spooked him like seventy yards as a long story, but um,

942
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: I is just like beat down, and I was like, yeah,

943
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to do. The winds gonna be terrible

944
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: tomorrow two for him, so I can't really hunt him.

945
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I'm just gonna go to

946
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over to a piece of public and

947
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: just see as the as the slogan goes, see what happens,

948
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: you know. And so I I went over and and uh,

949
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: my cameraman and I actually split up because there's two

950
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: drainages on this place and we were gonna watch them both.

951
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: And they three does in a big buck walk work

952
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: into the top his canyon like three quarters of a

953
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: mile away, you know, right after the sun kind of

954
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: starts hitting the landscape. And long story short, Um, we

955
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: snuck in on this deer and I killed him at

956
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: fifty yards from the ground, um, which I've never shot

957
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: over forty And I just knew that. I said, I

958
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: told myself, if I'm gonna shoot the shot, I know

959
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: how far he is I need to focus and if

960
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: and I need to my pen does not need to

961
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: be floating around. And so it all happened out to

962
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: where it was that way. I spent a lot of

963
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: time holding on him when I was at full draw. Uh.

964
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: But when I when when I shot him, it's literally

965
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: it's a it's a I'm talking dead nuts in the

966
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: heart at fifty yards and he comes had no clue, dude.

967
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: He comes back down the trail at me and like

968
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: gets to like thirty and I didn't know for sure

969
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: it was hard. I knew it was kind of low,

970
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm like trying to knock another arrow. I

971
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: get it knocked, I clip on. I look up and

972
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: he's literally closer than when I shot him. He's at

973
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: like forty yards and he's stumbling and he falls and

974
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: crashes right there. And I just turned to my caraman

975
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Eric and like tackled him like form tackling. Dude. I

976
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, it's like you say, like

977
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: when something like that happens, you just like every time

978
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: I stalk a deer, I go, it's this won't happen,

979
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: and me in case he would just laugh and stuff,

980
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: you know, like We're just out there like there will

981
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: be sixty yards from the dear. We're laughing, you know,

982
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: because we're like, this thing gonna happen. We're just telling

983
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: jokes and stuff. And that's how it was on that one.

984
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: And then literally, you know, we're sitting fifty yards from

985
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: him in the grass while he's bed and waiting on

986
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: stand up, and in ten seconds, my whole season changes.

987
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: Just a massive deer goes down to four yards and it's,

988
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: like you said, it's like the most amazing thing, dude,

989
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: Like when something like that happens and it surprises you, man,

990
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: And that surprise, like you said, is something that I

991
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: do think we crave. Man. It's it's a to see

992
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: something new and amazing happen. It's such a blessing, man,

993
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: It's awesome, it is. I mean, I had the film

994
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: in the series for for us here, you know that

995
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: that big one I killed in Minnesota. I mean I

996
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: would I was sitting there thinking like how long is

997
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: my camera man gonna make it because it was so cold,

998
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: and I was just like I just didn't have that

999
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: much faith, and I'm like I would have shot a

1000
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 1: hundred inchre And then you have an awesome buck run

1001
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: in and you know, six days later, I'm sitting there

1002
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: and stand and had made a lot of mistakes in

1003
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: the last few days. And it's like one o'clock in

1004
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: the afternoon, sixty degrees during the rut, and you're like,

1005
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like I've never killed a mid

1006
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: day cruiser before. You look up on the hill and

1007
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: here he comes, and it's just like no way, Like

1008
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: no way, But where else? I always think about this

1009
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: as an adult, like and you're like, like, where else

1010
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: can you get that? Like where else can you get

1011
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: something like this? Like there aren't very many places for that.

1012
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing like when you talk about

1013
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: the adrenaline dump you get after after doing what you

1014
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: did there in on that buck. It's like how many

1015
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: things can you do? Like how many freaking avenues does

1016
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: an adult man have to get that feeling? Like they're

1017
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: not that many, like unless you want to really risk

1018
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: your life doing something and we don't, you know, like

1019
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: like I don't want a cage fight. I don't want

1020
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: to jump off of like buildings with squirrel suits on,

1021
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: Like there's only so many routes for a guy like me.

1022
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: I just I think it's amazing that we have that.

1023
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: Like it's it's such a gift. It is, man, you're

1024
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: a right man. Like it's uh that the the instance

1025
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: of that happening, um for us is really cool. And

1026
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: I think that what we when we run into is uh,

1027
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: like once you get out of college, you just like

1028
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: culturally here in America, were expected to get a job,

1029
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: right and so which I didn't do. Um, I went

1030
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: huring and making no money and I'm still poor and uh,

1031
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, but I I have good experiences, man, you know,

1032
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: like I get to do some awesome stuff. And um,

1033
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: I definitely am blessed with lots of opportunities and have

1034
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: a different situation. You know, I didn't. Um, I can't

1035
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: even say I'm not My situation is different, you know,

1036
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: Like there was there's people that they did have to

1037
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: get a job as soon as they got out of

1038
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: high school or whatever because their whole their whole family

1039
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: for generations has been broke, broke people, you know, and

1040
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: so like I am truly blessed man. Um, not that

1041
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: I have like money in my family, but I I

1042
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: did know that like if something happened, that I had

1043
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: family members and people that would help me out. I

1044
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: didn't want that to happen, and luckily I never got to.

1045
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest, man, I've sat in my

1046
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: driveway at the first house that I that I ever bought,

1047
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: going I can't pay the mortgage this month, and I'm

1048
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: literally in tears in my driveway, you know, and I'm like,

1049
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: I gotta find a job, I gotta do something, and

1050
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I I just luckily I've made it through. Man. You know, Um,

1051
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to always provide for myself

1052
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: my family, you know, but um, I didn't know that

1053
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I had other family members that take care of me.

1054
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: So I just want to clarify that. It's like, you know,

1055
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: my situation is not as desperate as some people's in America, right,

1056
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: But like, as an American, generally we are expected to

1057
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: get a job. And when you get your job, like

1058
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: you said, we like the we kind of gravitate towards

1059
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: this whole um. You know, if you have a nine

1060
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: to five and it pays for you know, you live

1061
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: within your means. Then generally, as Americans were like convenience too,

1062
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: and everything is pretty convenient, you know, other than maybe

1063
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: traffic when you're coming home from more like you can

1064
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: go get fast food if you need to, you can

1065
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. We got clean water, we

1066
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: got trash system that keeps all the trash out of

1067
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: the streets. And now that you know, like it's the

1068
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: best place in the world to live. And so um,

1069
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: we kind of get into this groove where like we

1070
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: like that, we like to convenience with like a bed

1071
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: to sleep in at night, you know, And you're right,

1072
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: like nothing really amazing happens when you just kind of

1073
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: do the same thing every day typically, um, and there's

1074
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: not many avenues for us to to find that kind

1075
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: of adrenaline unless you, like you said, you're, uh, you

1076
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: jump out of planes or your drug addict or something

1077
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, but like that's that would be

1078
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: the only like there's only a few things. And like

1079
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: I said, you don't risk your life and pretty much,

1080
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you're fairly safe going up into a tree,

1081
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: like you're pretty safe deer hunting and you're actually doing

1082
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: something that gets you just so hot, man, that's fairly safe.

1083
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: It's it's cool, man, It's it's as good as it gets.

1084
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: So is it safe to say the Element Boys aren't

1085
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: driving around the Lamborghinis and using ivory backscratchers at home. No,

1086
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: we uh in case he's slept in the bed of

1087
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: his truck all week last week, you know, and uh,

1088
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: we've spent a lot of time my my cameraman. Eric

1089
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: actually um just sleeps on the ground in the tent

1090
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: when we go places. I'm like, dude, I have an

1091
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: air mattress, you know. And he's like, no, I'll be

1092
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: all right, I got a comforter. I'm like, no, that's

1093
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: not okay. You know, you need to be on the

1094
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: stair right. He's like, no, I'm good man. How old

1095
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: is he? He's thirty one? Oh, he's he's too old

1096
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: for that ship. Oh definitely do I was I thought

1097
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: you were gonna say, yeah, no, No. We had a

1098
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: twenty year old last year, and um, I would say

1099
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: a thirty one year old just has a little more

1100
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: responsibility about himself typically, you know, generally speaking, uh and

1101
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: ur and Eric is just awesome dude, but like, yeah,

1102
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: he's very Uh he doesn't need much, you know, and

1103
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: that's that's I mean. To to really roll around with us,

1104
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: you kind of have to be that way a little bit.

1105
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: It's just um, it's not always fun. There are moments

1106
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: that it's just like college football, man, Like you go out,

1107
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: I played, you know, I mean, I've told you that

1108
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 1: before you go out twelve or fourteen times a year

1109
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: and have the coolest experience that you can have. Your

1110
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: nerves are going. It's like shooting a deer, right, You're

1111
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: like almost shaking before kickoff. You kind of get into

1112
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: the groove, but like there are thousands of people there

1113
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: and maybe even millions on TV, depending on if you're

1114
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: on ESPN or whatever. It's insane, dude, for like thirteen days,

1115
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: and then there's three hundred and twenty days outside of

1116
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: that that you're literally like trying not to throw up

1117
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: because you're working out and you got homework, but you

1118
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: also have to do an hour and a half of

1119
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: film study with your individual group. And you know what

1120
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: people don't see is that and the same thing with music, right,

1121
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: Like they don't see you drive eight hours from the

1122
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: night before to your next venue and set up for

1123
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: two hours sound check and all that. Then go eat

1124
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: some crappy food and you know, go into a dirty

1125
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: hotel room and get you know, if you're lucky, and

1126
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: get dressed and then you know, what they see is

1127
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: the ninety minuteure on stage having you know, an awesome time,

1128
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: and it looks like so glamorous, But there are definitely

1129
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: moments and the same thing in traveling and hunting that

1130
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go out the other day in

1131
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: Colorado when it was eight degrees and the wind show

1132
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: was you know, zero or whatever. But you know, kind

1133
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: of kind of feel obligated to. We're spending money, business

1134
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: money on tags and stuff, you know, and gas, so

1135
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: kind of feel obligated to. If I was hunting just

1136
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: for fun, I might have missed that morning. You know,

1137
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: I might have just stayed in the you know, I

1138
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: might have drove around and tried to you know, scout

1139
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: deer from the truck. But instead I got out on

1140
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: the ground and did some stuff. You know. So there

1141
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: are there are things, but I mean, I literally can't

1142
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: complain because this is the dream job that I would have.

1143
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: Man Like since I was nine years old, I wanted

1144
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: to deer hunt and for a living. I didn't know

1145
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: what out and then i'd be on YouTube or whatever,

1146
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, but I knew that, like that was something

1147
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and you know, it's a dream.

1148
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: It literally is a dream, you know when you bring

1149
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: up those three examples of playing college football, playing in

1150
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: a band, being a musician, and then doing this, you know,

1151
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: creating hunting content around specifically around public land white tails.

1152
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: What you're saying is you just kind of learned the

1153
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: things that take a lot of work are the things

1154
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: that are worth the most. Like you said it without

1155
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: saying it, And I think that's the greatest message out

1156
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: there with this public land movement is by showing people

1157
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: that this can be done by you going and showing

1158
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: up in Illinois or Kansas, are somewhere and on a

1159
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: big one. You show people that this is, this is doable,

1160
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: like like this is this is something within your purview,

1161
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: Like this is in your grasp, like you can do this,

1162
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: and it inspires people to get out there. Like I

1163
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: think I think that that's you know, the hunting public

1164
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: does a great job of that too, Like I think

1165
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: it's really important for people to understand that, whether whether

1166
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: they actually aspire to be a public land killer or not,

1167
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: Like you can see even if you don't acknowledge it,

1168
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: you can see that there has to be some work here,

1169
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: Like you're you're taking these people who are not. They're

1170
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: not writing huge checks to hunt somewhere. They're sleeping in

1171
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: free contents. They're hunting on over the counter tags or

1172
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: tags that you can draw, and they're just dedicated to

1173
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: the process and they're going to see it through to

1174
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: the end. And you do that enough and you kill

1175
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: good deer in places where you're technically not supposed to

1176
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: or like we're theoretically like it should be really really hard,

1177
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: but it can be done. And we're seeing people show

1178
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: this all over the place, and I think I think

1179
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, like on a way smaller scale.

1180
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: You know, everybody loves dog, right, Like people who don't

1181
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: love dogs are sociopaths. We we don't want we don't

1182
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: want to hang this same thing as people who don't

1183
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: love music. I'm like, what's wrong with you anyway? When

1184
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: you when you love hunting dogs, working dogs. Everybody has

1185
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: the best dog. Everybody's dog is the best dog ever,

1186
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: Like we all own the number one, you know. But

1187
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: then you get around a dog that's been trained really

1188
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: really well and has a good working relationship with its owner,

1189
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's like it's out there on that team thing

1190
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's doing it's doing this job in a

1191
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: way that you maybe have never seen before. You go, WHOA, Like,

1192
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: now I know what they're capable of. Like I had

1193
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: something awesome already. Now that I see this, I go,

1194
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: this could be even better. But there's a lot of

1195
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: work there, Like there's a lot to build in to

1196
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: to have that end result. But it's worth it. It's

1197
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: it's worth it not only for the end result, but

1198
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: how you feel through that process. And I literally don't

1199
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: think we have a better opportunity for that for a

1200
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: lot of us than just going out and challenging ourselves

1201
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: with deer. Yeah. Percent, man, that's a you know, like

1202
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: you you mentioned being dedicated to the process and that's

1203
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: like that that's a huge uh point for people to

1204
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: think about here when it comes to this, because, UM,

1205
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: I know for us, something Casey and I talked about

1206
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot is that Um, Like you said, everybody thinks

1207
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: they hunt the hardest place, But I've hunted a lot

1208
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: of states now and I do know that East Texas

1209
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: UM has been very difficult to hunt UM for us,

1210
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: And UM, you know one thing that we have is

1211
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: smaller deer. They make less sign we see less rubs,

1212
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: we see less scrapes, the trails are made by hundred

1213
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: forty pound deer instead two hundred forty pound deer. You know,

1214
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: like the sign is just less and the trails are less,

1215
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: and so like, I can't remember when I first um

1216
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: started hunting with Casey. He's, like I said earlier, he's

1217
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: very observant and so like he helped me to really

1218
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: start to understand sign even better and like locate sign

1219
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: and better really um and so, but I can remember

1220
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: we would we started out hunting here locally, and he

1221
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: would go, oh, there's a trailer right there, and I

1222
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, I've been hunting Caness or something.

1223
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not a trailer. I don't know what

1224
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's you're crazy. And now I see it,

1225
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like it several years later, I've been able

1226
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: to see what he's talking about. And you know, there's

1227
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: there's not a high population either, it's not high density,

1228
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: so there's just not a lot of signs. So what

1229
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: we've kind of noticed, we think at least, is that

1230
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: hunting here and kind of cutting our teeth on public

1231
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: land here has made us better hunters other places. So like,

1232
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: if you're listening and you're from you know, Florida or

1233
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Alabama or something like that where things are a little

1234
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: bit different, or Louisiana or whatever. You know, that's uh,

1235
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: something that could kind of give you some confidence maybe

1236
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: is to know that, like this is a place that

1237
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: is tough to hunt. If I can learn to hunt here,

1238
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: then I can apply a lot of these things that

1239
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: dear generally do in other places and really start to

1240
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: figure things out pretty well in other places. You know.

1241
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: And part of the reason we travel to Illinois or

1242
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: something like that or i was because there's there's big

1243
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: deer and the sign is a little bit easier to read.

1244
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: Now there are things like you know, night sign and

1245
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: you know what sign is relevant, what sign is hot?

1246
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, and stuff like that that you start to

1247
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: have to You run into issues with that when you

1248
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: go to Iowa and you're like, dude, there are scrapes

1249
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: and rubs everywhere, Like, what do I do with this?

1250
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's too much, it's overload. But the thing

1251
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: that I I do see is you know that we

1252
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of we kind of have that going for us.

1253
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: But I guess when I'm trying to track back to

1254
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: is the point where you said, falling in love with

1255
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: the process or being dedicated to the process is very

1256
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: important because it took us a few years to kind

1257
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: of find our group of hunting and filming and trying

1258
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: to find you know, good close encounters where you kill deer.

1259
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing it pay off a little bit,

1260
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, but um, a lot of guys. Man, we

1261
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: get a ton of people that send us messages or whatever,

1262
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, uh, man, I just struggled

1263
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: so much this year. I haven't had hardly any any

1264
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: good encounters. You know. I don't know, I'm trying to

1265
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: kill a dough and I can't even kill a dough,

1266
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that, Um, what we're seeing

1267
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of accessibility in this hunting, this

1268
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: public hunting movement. Um, so guys are getting well and

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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: also through the coronavirus stuff, Like we've seen this kind

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Speaker 1: of a lot of people talk about like maybe a

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01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: hipster movement or something like that, where people are starting

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01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: to get into hunting for the first time. And we

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01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: have you know, Eric, our cameraman, he's only been hunt

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01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years. And another one of our caraman,

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: producer kind of guys that works with us as well,

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: named Chris. I mean he wears black skinny jeans into

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: the woods. I mean that is what he wears. So

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01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: and literally he wore the little like they're like boots,

1279
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: but they're like that tall. As for people who can't

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: hear me, it's like four or see me, it's like

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01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: four inches, you know, like it's the hipster boot. You know,

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01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: that's what he wears into the woods. And he's a

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: fair of the new hunter. You know, he grew up

1284
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: in the Dallas metro area and didn't hunt, and you know,

1285
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: his dad's an accountant, and you know that that's the

1286
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: life you live until the last couple of years and

1287
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: you find this like sustainability movement, right and so but

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: I think people are getting maybe a little what could

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: be confusing to them, is it? And it does look easy,

1290
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes we have these highlight reels that

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: look easy, right, but it's not. It's not easy. And

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01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: if you I've been hunting since I was you know tiny,

1293
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: and Casey has to dude, Casey probably started hunting before

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01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: I did. And um, he's a year younger, so we're

1295
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, we probably have you know, fifty years of

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: combined experience between us, and like I said in the beginning,

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01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: we're bouncing fifty years of experience off of each other

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01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: the whole time. And if you're kind of a hipster

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: dude that's uh been hunting for two years now, you

1300
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: just can't expect that you're gonna to have a whole

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of success, you know. So just like fall in

1302
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: love with the process of learning how to how to

1303
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: get encounters, how to get closer to hear what sign

1304
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: means and stuff, and learned from these people. Learn from Tony,

1305
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, learn from you Man, learn from Mark and

1306
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: some of the people there at Mediator, and learn from

1307
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: uh the hunt in public, and learn you know, hopefully

1308
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: from us. We try to put a lot of content

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01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: out there that teaches people how to read maps and

1310
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: how do what we see when we go boot scouting

1311
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, So, uh just dive into that

1312
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: and and understand that there may be some moments early

1313
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: on that you are very bored in the stand and

1314
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: things are not going your way, but it just it

1315
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: takes that to get through, and you have to be

1316
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: dedicated the process. Like you said, let's let's clear this up.

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: You don't have to. We're not against tipsters here. You

1318
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: can man. Yeah, I don't want to offend anybody in

1319
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: Bozeman specifically with this podcast. Uh. But here's the thing

1320
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: about what you just said. I and I see this

1321
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot. I think there's two things that the hunting

1322
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: industry did very poorly that we're still suffering from today

1323
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: and we may suffer from until hunting is freaking gone.

1324
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: One is we made it look too easy to kill

1325
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: big bucks that we set as unrealistic standard. That's just stupid.

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: It's it's like you can probably compare it to like,

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01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, I know we don't watch network television a

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: ton now, like, but you know when you were growing up,

1329
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, there are sitcoms on and

1330
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: there'd be like this fat dad bob dude with a

1331
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: supermodel wife every time. Like it's not real, like what

1332
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: you're seeing that that doesn't exist, Like unless that dude

1333
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: started Microsoft or something doesn't happen. So we we we

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01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: did that and we're still suffering from it today. We're

1335
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: suffering from it, maybe more than ever now that because

1336
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: we have social media and we can see every two

1337
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: buck that's ever killed ever and the other thing is

1338
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: we convince people they can look at bucks and age them.

1339
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: So everybody thinks that they can just read a buck

1340
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: on the hoof and go that one's two and a half,

1341
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: that one's four and a half. It's I'm telling you,

1342
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: we cannot do that, and the people who think they

1343
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: can are lying to themselves. This is not an easy

1344
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: thing to do. Wildlife biologists cannot do it. Some random

1345
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: dude who's killed three bucks definitely can't do it. But

1346
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: the problem here is with those two things. And now

1347
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: we have this public land movement. People go, well, I'm

1348
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna go out and do that. And I know that

1349
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: you see this a lot, and I see this too.

1350
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: I think the thing holding a lot of people back

1351
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: is their expectations. Their standards are way too high for

1352
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: their experience level. And I don't want to sound like

1353
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: a dick there because I don't mean it that way,

1354
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: but like you wouldn't like if if you and I

1355
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: got together and play guitar, people would be like, Tyler's

1356
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: a lot better than Tony. Like I wouldn't show up

1357
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: and expect to play like you can't because I know

1358
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: I cannot. Like I just know even though we we

1359
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe have been playing the same amount of time. I

1360
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: guarantee you you've put in so much more to that

1361
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: pursuit than I have. Without question. So if I showed

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01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: up and I was like, I'm gonna be like him,

1363
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. When you're talking about hunting, like maybe

1364
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: you have hunted thirty years, But is it three weekends

1365
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: a season or is it are you living in a

1366
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: tent for forty days and hunting public land? And like

1367
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: there's a big big It varies a lot, and I

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: see a lot of people bring in somebody else's standards

1369
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: to this. And you know, I know this happens to

1370
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: you all the time. It happens to me too, when

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: people reach out and be like, I'm hunting this shooter

1372
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: and I got pictures of him on this public land,

1373
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: but I I haven't seen him yet. I'm really frustrated, and

1374
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: here's my stand What do I do? And it's like

1375
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: a screen, I'm like, what do you expect me to

1376
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: do with this man? Like I don't I can't stand

1377
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: that stuff because I can't. I can't help you, you know,

1378
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,879
Speaker 1: like there's way too much missing here. And I always

1379
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: I always get this vibe not always, but percent a time,

1380
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, you probably shouldn't be just targeting that caliber

1381
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: of buck yet, Like you don't seem like you're there yet.

1382
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: And I know, like it's a hard thing for us

1383
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: guys specifically to do. You do see women in the

1384
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: industry doing it now too, but man, like recognizing that, Okay, well,

1385
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe on Gramdma's farm, I can hold out for one forties.

1386
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: But if I travel a lot of eight and I'm

1387
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: and I'm hunting public land for the first time and

1388
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: I can't go climb into my ladder stand on my

1389
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: food plot, that's a different thing. I think you go

1390
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: by that saddle and you want to go go mobile wherever,

1391
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: like okay, but you're not at the same level you

1392
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: were at home, like you and I think that that

1393
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: we're like, we're that's danger ground there. Yeah. No, I

1394
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: hadn't even thought about the age thing. Man, that's that's

1395
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: definitely something. Um So, there are some forums I'm not

1396
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna name them, um and then some Facebook groups that

1397
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm a part of, um, just I'll say they're Texas

1398
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: based groups. And you know this is where quality deer

1399
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: management started here in Texas, right, So, dude, the number

1400
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: one post in November that you'll see is a picture

1401
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: of a buck and it'll say an age and score,

1402
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: and it is. It is. It's comical, dude, I mean

1403
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: it literally because for one, with you know Texas, it

1404
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: takes you fifteen hours to drive across Texas. So you're

1405
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: talking about some deer can way to fifty and then

1406
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: there's deer that are you know, if they weigh one fifty,

1407
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: that's a nice size buck, you know in certain parts

1408
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: of Texas. So you know, who even knows that this

1409
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: guy's hunting? You know, no telling what the age of

1410
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: this dear is. He could be three or it could

1411
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: be seven. You know, there's no telling. And so I

1412
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: hadn't really thought about that as being an issue, but

1413
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: I would have thought about what you said about the

1414
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: expectations thing, and we talked about it a lot on

1415
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: our podcast. Um and I'll be frank when we go

1416
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: to South Dakota, I am. I am all about shooting

1417
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: a one and a half year old buck. If that's like,

1418
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: it's just it's there. There's so many deer there, you know,

1419
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't say like it's maybe the biggest buck

1420
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: state or whatever. There's nice bucks there too. We saw

1421
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: a giant uh come through camp when we were there

1422
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: this year. But like, I'm going there to have a

1423
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: good time in the early season when it's nice weather.

1424
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: And frankly, dude, if I can shoot like a six

1425
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: or eight point buck and then go shoot sharp tails

1426
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: or pheasant, I would be because you I've told you

1427
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: this before. I loved your hunting so much. But I

1428
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: think I like shooting a shotgun better than I like

1429
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: deer hunting, probably like I and and that that would

1430
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: be like you know, clay targets are fun, but at

1431
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: any any winged animal. I love shooting a shotgun and

1432
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: it's one of my things that I grew up doing

1433
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: NonStop in high school. And I feel like probably do

1434
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 1: better than I do anything else is shoot a shotgun,

1435
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: and so it's so much fun. Dude, I love I

1436
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: love shooting birds. I love that surprise we were talking

1437
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: about earlier when a bird bird gets out of the

1438
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: grass man, and um, it's just the best. So like

1439
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,719
Speaker 1: when I go to South Dakota, I'm trying to shoot

1440
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: a small bug. I've been hunting twenty five years and

1441
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: like I shot a one probably one and a half

1442
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: year old eight point last year and was stoked. Dude,

1443
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking. It's you know, and that's that's where setting

1444
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: your expectations is key, you know. I mean, I I

1445
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: don't go to Kansas or um. You know, I was

1446
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: in Colorado last weekend. I don't go there thinking I'm

1447
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: gonna shoot at one and a half year old deer.

1448
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not going to do that. And that's that's

1449
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: just what I've chosen to do. But you gotta set

1450
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: your expectations based off of either your experience or um,

1451
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: your experience level or like, um, the place that you are,

1452
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: you know. I think so definitely key. And you know

1453
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: the one thing about that too, because I'll shoot a

1454
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,839
Speaker 1: little one all day long in a lot of different places.

1455
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 1: I gotta spread, man, And dude, I love it. You'll

1456
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: send you'll send me pictures all the time, but like,

1457
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, not not huge deer. And I can just

1458
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: tell you're so proud of it, you know, And it

1459
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: has to do with that work that you put in,

1460
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, and like what what when it came down

1461
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: to when you made the decision, you know, And I'm like, dude,

1462
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: that's you can just tell, dude, you're just happy when

1463
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: you send those pictures, you know, well and I am.

1464
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: And the thing that I know people don't believe this,

1465
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: but I don't have like a play where I could

1466
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: just go hunt and kill those l right, Like I

1467
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: don't have like a guaranteed place to go shoot deer

1468
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: like I have. I have private properties I can hunt.

1469
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: I have lots of public land I go hunt, but

1470
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: I got I've got limited amount of time. And I

1471
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: love the experience of traveling and hunting public land. So

1472
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: that's that's most of my hunting. And you know, you

1473
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: know how it is, like sometimes you go into a

1474
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: state and you're like, you know, it's the right time.

1475
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: I got three in the freezer already, Like I'm I'm

1476
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna be picky. Sometimes you just go in hungry. Sometimes

1477
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: you go and you're like this is gonna be awesome,

1478
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, it sucks every day and you

1479
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: can't get on anything. And then you have one start

1480
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: walking in that you you know previous to the hunt.

1481
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: You're like, there's no way I would shoot that. And

1482
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: then you get into a real hunting situation and that

1483
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 1: deer starts walking in You're like, I want to kill

1484
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: that buck bad, and I love, you know, and I

1485
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for people who can go

1486
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: out and just like stick to their guns. I'm not

1487
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm I'm in the moment kind of guy.

1488
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: And I just like I just learned over time, Like

1489
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: if I don't end the season with a bunch of

1490
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: deer in the freezer, I feel like I have a failure.

1491
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: Like I don't like that, Like I I would rather

1492
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: have that than anything else at this point in my life.

1493
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: And you know, like we talked about earlier, man, like

1494
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, you go to a state like South Dakota,

1495
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: if you can go crawl around and stock bucks, that's

1496
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: like what's more fun? You know? And and you know

1497
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: what's not fun is going in with that mentality. This

1498
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: happens to a lot of first time meal deer hunters.

1499
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: Is they go, I just want to go glass up

1500
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: a good you know sixty and you know stock them.

1501
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, if you're on and over the

1502
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: counter tag on public land, you might you might get

1503
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: a chance. Like you you can find big meal deer

1504
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing, But the odds of

1505
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: you're making good on that one stock that week are

1506
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: almost zero. And you might spend a ton of time

1507
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: on the glass or driving around not really hunting because

1508
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: you think that this is where it's gotta be, and like, hey,

1509
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: you do you but when you know how it is

1510
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: when you go and do this stuff, like I want

1511
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: to hunt, Like I want to go out there and

1512
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: be with them, and I want to get my chance

1513
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: to try to time my draw and make my shot

1514
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: and see if I can do this ship right. And

1515
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: you got to do the whole process to get there. Yeah,

1516
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: that's like with antelope, Like I don't know what a

1517
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: big antalopez or whatever, you know, Like they all look

1518
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: big to me. So We'll be driving down the road

1519
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I gotta do that someday. You know.

1520
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: I got to try to try to do that. And

1521
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: I have a few points. I think I got a

1522
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: point in Wyoming, you know, but like I uh, I've

1523
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,759
Speaker 1: always said that, like when it comes to antalope especially,

1524
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: but even I think about this with like deer and

1525
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 1: Elk as well, because I feel like when I'm Elk hunting,

1526
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in in the middle of the day.

1527
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just walking around the woods just

1528
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,839
Speaker 1: being so unproductive, you know, like I'm not hunting anything,

1529
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like I'm not hunting, is

1530
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: what I feel like. I feel like I'm just in

1531
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: the mountains being a hipster, to say the least, of

1532
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: wearing your skinny jeans. It's right, Uh, but so I

1533
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: I but I I've always said this about anilopant man,

1534
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't really care to kill a big one. I

1535
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I'm scouting or stalking antelope

1536
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: all day, you know what I mean. I just wanna

1537
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: if I bust one, I want to be able to

1538
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: like go down the road, regroup, get something to eat,

1539
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: and find some more to stalk. And I just want

1540
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: to go. There's a bunch of them. And that's just

1541
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying, is like, I want to be hunting.

1542
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: I want to feel like I'm in the game. I

1543
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: don't like walking around in the September of Colorado not

1544
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: knowing what's going on for days on end, you know.

1545
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's struggle for me, and that's why I like,

1546
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: that's why I don't do many all day sits. And

1547
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: I actually did one. I did my first one in

1548
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: a long time. Maybe maybe I don't know if I

1549
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: did an all day last year. But I did one

1550
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: um in Colorado last week, and uh, the magical thing

1551
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: of deer cruising through in the middle of day did

1552
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: not happen, and so it was. It's pretty boring. But

1553
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: like I I, I'm more of the type that will

1554
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: like find a way. I be sitting in the stand

1555
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, late morning, and instead of doing an

1556
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 1: all day hunt, I would rather just like come up

1557
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: with a good plan on my map and think, oh dear,

1558
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this this afternoon, so let's go move

1559
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: the stands. And I'd rather just break the whole thing

1560
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: down and go find I mean, even if I got

1561
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: to move a hundred yards or whatever, at least I

1562
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: did something in the the middle the day. Gave me something

1563
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 1: to do. And I'm I feel like I'm hunting instead

1564
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: of just sitting there waiting on things to happen, you know. So,

1565
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I can wait in

1566
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: a stand, I'm not they got it has to be

1567
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: on the ground all the time. Like some of these

1568
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: guys they you know, they don't like hunting and tree stands.

1569
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: But I try to have some patience. But the all

1570
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: day thing is not my favorite. That's for sure. It's

1571
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, you gotta have some confidence, man,

1572
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: like real confidence, and you gotta you know, you gotta

1573
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: recognize like, all right, do I believe in this because

1574
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: it's I think it's gonna happen, or do I just

1575
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: not want to go to a plan B and it's

1576
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: hard man, or you know, or to not talk yourself

1577
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: out of just going into town for lunch, Like I

1578
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: struggled with that with all day sits for a long

1579
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: long time. Actually, what got me over the hump was

1580
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: dedicating myself to killing like public land long beards with

1581
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: a bow where you're just like it's such a pain

1582
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: in the ask to move a blind and decoys in

1583
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: your chair and all your stuff, like if you're if

1584
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: you're bow hunting turkeys without you know, if you're not

1585
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: doing the gilly suit thing or whatever, Like it's a

1586
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: freaking gear intensive, you know, it's it sucks a lot

1587
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: of times. And so it's like you better really find

1588
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: a good spot and write it out. And when you do,

1589
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: like dark to dark sits for turkeys, you know, on

1590
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: those days in the spring, it's like, man, I'm sitting

1591
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: in a tree stand for white tails for eleven hours

1592
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: versus like sixteen hours for turkeys. It's not so bad,

1593
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: but it takes. It takes the right mindset, and it

1594
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: takes you know, you've got to be really confident to

1595
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: know when you should actually be pulling the plug. And

1596
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: it's it's like that's a learned thing, you know, and

1597
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: you have to learn yourself, right, like you said, if

1598
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: it's something that's really not your thing, Like if you

1599
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: learn that, okay, don't do it then, but learn how

1600
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: to be out there and keep your time productive, because

1601
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's important. Yeah, that's that's or your exactly right.

1602
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: Like there are people like if you you know the

1603
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: why I told Adrenalin, guys like those guys, they do

1604
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 1: it a certain way, you know, and that lends itself

1605
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: to guys who have done it that way and had success.

1606
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: But that way that they do it is it does

1607
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: not lend itself to guys that don't haven't done it. Like,

1608
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: if you haven't done it that way, then and you

1609
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: want to, you better be dedicated to the process, like

1610
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: we said earlier, you know, because it's it's tough to

1611
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: kill dear from the ground on public land, you know,

1612
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: all the time with a longbow or whatever like. And

1613
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: so like all the stipulations you put on yourself, you know,

1614
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: our challenges that you can give yourself, but they're also

1615
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: they're also ways to either have more fun or just

1616
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, especially if you're kind of a newer hunter

1617
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: or something, to lend yourself to something that fits your

1618
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: style a little better, you know. And so everybody has

1619
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: a different style. And there are guys like I gotta

1620
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: we got a friend that is a killer man. He's

1621
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: he kills a deer on public in East Texas, like

1622
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean every year, pretty much good deer. And he's

1623
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: he's like the type that's like if the wind changes direction,

1624
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: just look, just turn around and look into the wind.

1625
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: You know. He's like he will sit there, you know,

1626
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: in the same spot and ride it out and kills

1627
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: a buck like a good buck every year. Man. I mean,

1628
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: he's a better hunter than me, I would, I would say,

1629
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: and he just that's the way he does it. And

1630
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: and I don't. I cannot do that, you know, um

1631
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: right now at least so and maybe maybe that's me

1632
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: being you know, naive or inexperienced or whatever, but I

1633
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, there are definite like styles

1634
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: that people have or characteristics and person and personality traits

1635
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: that people have that lend theirselves to a certain style,

1636
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: and so you kind of gotta I gotta figure out

1637
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: what that is. And like I said earlier, it's not

1638
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: always fun. But um, you know, if you if you

1639
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: you gotta balance like success and fun and so like

1640
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: how much success do you really are you hard? After

1641
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: you probably should have a little less fun, And if

1642
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: you want to have the most fun, you may not

1643
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: have quite as much success. But it's okay, like half fun,

1644
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So if that's what your

1645
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: goal is, didn't didn't do it? You know, So those

1646
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: things kind of work inversely, I think a little bit

1647
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: sometimes And you you make a really interesting point to

1648
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: the point there about the you know, if you take

1649
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: the wait til Adrenalin guy's style or maybe a Dan

1650
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: and Fault style, and you know you talk about your

1651
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 1: own style, You've got enough experience in this to know

1652
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: this is what I like doing, this is probably what

1653
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, and this is like, this is what's

1654
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna make me the happiest. That that's like no small thing.

1655
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: So when people are trying to emulate somebody else's style.

1656
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: That's a good thing to try, like go try to

1657
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: be Zack farembof if you want, go ahead might be

1658
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: your thing, it might not. But the more stuff you try,

1659
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: like your your example with the stocking antelope, like, if

1660
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: you want to prove yourself like a real bow hunter,

1661
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: go shoot a bunch of public land antelope with your

1662
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: bow spot and stock. Don't do it out of a blind,

1663
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: don't do it with decoy. Just go show me that

1664
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: you can go sneak up on those suckers. You'll learn

1665
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: a lot about yourself. You'll learn what you're capable of

1666
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: patients wise, you know, planning a stockwise, hunt wise, like

1667
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: you'll learn on day three four, like if this is

1668
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: still your thing or not, you know, there's there's a

1669
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: lot to that. But when you start, you start getting

1670
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: more experiences like that, you start finding out like this

1671
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: is what I really like and this is what I

1672
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: don't like. And I'm telling you instead of just leaning

1673
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: into what's easy, if you lean into what you like,

1674
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: you'll work harder at it and you'll kill more dear,

1675
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 1: and so you take you know, your your examples with

1676
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: the white tail Agennalin guys, they're they're doing what they're

1677
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: good at. They've they like home dase skill like Dan

1678
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: in fall hunting that you know buckbeds, he's home that

1679
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: skill over you know, decades. That's important to acknowledge. Like

1680
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: you could go out and try that. You might be successful,

1681
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: you might not, but it might be like the most

1682
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: amazing thing to you. Or you might go I don't

1683
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: like this. I don't want to go walk through the

1684
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: swamps and scout for these beds. I want to go

1685
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: do something else. And when you learn that about yourself,

1686
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: you even though you'll be going away from a successful

1687
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: strategy for some people, you'll be finding something that's better

1688
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: for you. And man, like you want a crash course

1689
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: in this stuff, go go figure out a way to

1690
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: hunt new places like now, and I'm not even talking

1691
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: just necessarily out of state. Like your your point about

1692
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: East Texas, it's such a good one, right, Like you're

1693
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: talking about how hard it is. And then you've got

1694
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: a guy out there who's going to kill big ones.

1695
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: What's his secret? Like what's he doing? And then like

1696
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: you think about somebody in Florida. So like you mentioned Louisiana,

1697
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: you know we northern Wisconsin. You can find places close

1698
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: to you that are going to be different than what

1699
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: you're used to, and it's gonna be shitty at first,

1700
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna be as much fun. But if

1701
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: you start the scouting process and you start the process

1702
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: of figuring this stuff out, it'll probably get fun and

1703
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: it will probably show you ways where you can enjoy

1704
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 1: the work and the discipline in the in the process

1705
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: much more, even though it might not seem that appealing.

1706
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: Like I just just as an example, I'm I'm like

1707
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: obsessed with northern Wisconsin because it kicks my ass. I

1708
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: hate it. I I love it, and I hate it

1709
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: right Like it's I got a weird relationship with that place,

1710
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to kill big ones there at some point,

1711
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: and I spend more time scouting there in the winter,

1712
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: and it's like could become this thing that just drives me,

1713
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: like I don't feel good at this stuff when I'm there,

1714
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: and I don't like that feeling, but I love the

1715
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: process of just being like, Okay, well, I know it's

1716
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: gonna be different this year because there's gonna be you know,

1717
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: a new wolf pack somewhere. There's gonna be a new

1718
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 1: four wheeler trail somewhere there's gonna be something going on

1719
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: that changes things for me and I have to start

1720
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: over over. But it teaches me like even though you

1721
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of like outwardly hate this, like you keep coming

1722
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: back for a reason. Like it's like I have a

1723
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: bad relationship, you know, like you know this my partner sucks.

1724
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: But I'm just I'm gonna keep giving it another shot.

1725
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: And you just you learn about yourself that way. And

1726
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: like you said before, if you go do that stuff,

1727
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: like when you guys are hunting East Texas, man, I

1728
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: bet it's pretty easy to go appreciate South Dakota, Like

1729
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: I bet it's pretty easy to appreciate a lease and

1730
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: freaking Kansas after you're hunting that stuff. That's important. Yeah, man,

1731
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: that's and that's a you make a good really some

1732
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: really good points. But like there, um, you know, like

1733
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: I said, pretty much everywhere you can find something new

1734
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: pretty close to you. So I mean for us, I

1735
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: think about we're about seventy miles east of Dallas right here,

1736
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,839
Speaker 1: and so if we were hunting like real close to home. Um,

1737
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: we have a certain type of habitats Postoke, you know,

1738
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: old prairie or whatever, and if we go basically from here,

1739
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: if we go like twenty miles to the west, we

1740
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: start turning into uh a little bit more black soil

1741
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: um and shorter trees, less less oaks, more locust trees, hackberries,

1742
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And then you work in the Dallas

1743
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: and there's obviously this massive concrete jungle there and when

1744
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: you get around that, it's mesquite trees and it's uh

1745
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: more red dirt and stuff like that. And so like

1746
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: that's two hours from us. You know, if you go

1747
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: to the east twenty miles, we've got pine trees and

1748
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: it's the start of literally the south, you know what

1749
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pine tree country. And um, I think

1750
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: that that um kind of thing happens all over America.

1751
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I would assume, maybe not necessarily twenty miles, but you know,

1752
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: you could drive an hour and find bluffs or find

1753
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: flat farmland, or you know, find a river bottom country

1754
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: or whatever you know, And so, um, it doesn't it

1755
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: don't have to You don't have to go from Texas

1756
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: south Dakota to challenge yourself with a new type of

1757
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: deal and to give yourself an opportunity to find out

1758
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 1: what you enjoy the most, you know, and you can

1759
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: take that stuff and related across the country. So if

1760
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: you end up like for us, if we end up

1761
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: like finding success in the river bottoms and really enjoying

1762
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: that here in East Texas, I mean I can go

1763
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 1: a lot of places and find river bottom type habitat

1764
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it's weird, but like I

1765
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: what kind of looks like where we live. It's you know,

1766
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit bigger oaks, um and you know,

1767
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: lots of creeks and drawls and stuff, you know, and

1768
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: so um, you can kind of take that and go

1769
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 1: across the country. And also one thing that Casey always

1770
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: talks about is that you know, he says, dear do

1771
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: dear things, and so like their characteristics and habits that

1772
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: deer have, that are those characteristics and habits because they're dear,

1773
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: not because of where they live. And so you take

1774
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: those and apply them across the country. And we try

1775
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: to do that. That's I think been a big kind

1776
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: of breakthrough of mind just to help me with finding

1777
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 1: success and take take those things and go and understand.

1778
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, for instance, just a quick little example, if

1779
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: you're falling a fence and the top string uh SAgs

1780
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: down in one little section of that fence a deer,

1781
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: the deer going across there, if that's the only, if

1782
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 1: that's the lowest by six inch six inches place in

1783
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: three yard stretch or whatever, you know, it's it's it's

1784
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: fairly simple. Um. It sounds like, you know whatever. But

1785
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: those are the things that you can carry that you

1786
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: find out, um while you're hunting, that you can carry

1787
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: across the country and use to your advantage. You know, man,

1788
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: that's that's such a good point. And one of the

1789
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: things I would say on that is, not only do

1790
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: you do you learn that's true when you go hunt

1791
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. You see the similarities. You

1792
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: also realize that we care a lot of baggage with

1793
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: us that's not true about our deer. And I'll use

1794
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: this as an example. My one of my really good buddies.

1795
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: I met him tournament fishing. We hunt together a lot.

1796
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. And I took one of my

1797
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: daughters to Lake Malax here in Minnesota. Malax is like

1798
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: world renowned for smallmouth right it's it's it's incredible. It

1799
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: gets a lot of pressure crystal clear, but the bass

1800
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: are freaking awesome. And it was supposed to be dead calm,

1801
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 1: which is the reason I went there, because it's this huge,

1802
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: twenty mile wide bowl and if it's windy, it sucks bad.

1803
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 1: It sucks way too much for my boat. Well, we

1804
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:39,480
Speaker 1: got there and it was really windy right at sunrise,

1805
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, like, we're gonna go just try

1806
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: this anyway. And I got out there and it was

1807
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: one of those things where I was like having trouble

1808
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: control on my boat with the trolling motor, and so

1809
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm standing on that and I grabbed a rod that

1810
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: had a swimming jag on it and threw it out

1811
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,879
Speaker 1: there and caught a small mouth right away, totally by accident,

1812
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and so I started throwing that and they were just

1813
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: on this wind beating shore. They were eating something that

1814
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: looks like a moving minnow or a crayfish like, And

1815
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, this is malax You gotta

1816
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: throw a little stuff and floral line and you gotta

1817
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: do these these Malaxi things. And I was talking to

1818
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 1: my buddy about it and he's like, what did you

1819
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: catch him on today? I'm like, I caught him on

1820
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: a top water and I caught him on a swimming

1821
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: jig just like I do on the Mississippi River and

1822
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: all these other lakes. And he's like, you caught malax

1823
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: mamoth on a swimming jig. I was like, yeah, I

1824
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess they're just small mouth like but

1825
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: in in my head, you know, I'm like these these

1826
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: fish needs something different. And you know, you see this

1827
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: with you hear this a lot with like Southern turkeys

1828
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: or white tails and certainly you know, like Southern turkeys

1829
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: and example like oh, you're never gonna call in an

1830
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: Alabama turkey, Like, well their turkeys, right, like are you sure?

1831
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: Like are you sure you're gonna stick to that statement? Like, well,

1832
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: but we bring in this stuff. And the more you

1833
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,520
Speaker 1: travel and the more you hunt different spots, you realize like, Okay,

1834
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 1: some of these things I've been led to believe, they're

1835
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: not doing me any good. They're holding me back. And

1836
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 1: you know, if you take Casey's mindset and you go, yeah, dear,

1837
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: do what dear do? Okay, Well, dear lay down where

1838
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: deer to lay down? They walk where they walk, they

1839
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: eat where they eat, They try to have sex where

1840
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: they try to have sex. Like, you take these things

1841
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: and you go Okay, this is this is ubiquitous. Man.

1842
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: This goes from East Texas up to Canada and wherever else.

1843
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: And you can use those things like you can use

1844
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff to make a good plan and anything

1845
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: you bring with you that's like, well, the deer don't

1846
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: do this, or they're not gonna move on a full moon,

1847
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: or they're not gonna do this. That's holding you back.

1848
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 1: And I think we gotta be real careful about that stuff.

1849
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, for sure, that's uh, like we see, uh,

1850
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: we we went we did some uh we did this

1851
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: series called map Scout Challenge where we um and we

1852
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: started out getting spots from people. They would send us

1853
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: a spot that they would never go see and that

1854
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: they wanted to see, and so we said, we'll go

1855
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: video and show you what's there, you know whatever. So

1856
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 1: we went to Michigan this past summer and did a

1857
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: video up there, and you know, of course you got

1858
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: you got there. You know, I'm sure there's there's a

1859
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: lot of truth to this, but the Michigan people are

1860
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: definitely the types that think that their deer hunting is

1861
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: the hardest in the world, you know, so uh, sorry, Mark,

1862
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: if you're listening, Uh, but they do, you know, and

1863
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: so like we you know, we we went up there

1864
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 1: and hung a camera on public land and found like

1865
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: some good bucks. We had a buck the first night

1866
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: that like, you know, nice solid eight or whatever, probably

1867
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: hundred thirty plus inch ten point on there at some point,

1868
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 1: like good dear, you know, and literally this is sixty

1869
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: yards off the road. I mean, so it's so close

1870
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: to the road. Like we were so happy because they

1871
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: were like, yes, we're getting rid of some of these

1872
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: stereotypes for Michigan people. But you know, at the same time,

1873
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, we're it's all in good fun. But like

1874
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: there were guys that were definitely like, oh, but you

1875
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: could never kill them. You've gotta be thirty ft high,

1876
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, and this and that, and they're always looking up,

1877
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, and these things that people like you said

1878
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,440
Speaker 1: that they get into their minds, you know, and um,

1879
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 1: you know think that oh those deer look up. You know,

1880
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like, man, not really, it's something in that habitat

1881
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: or something that allows them to see better into the

1882
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: trees or you know whatever. It's not. Deer don't walk

1883
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 1: around looking up, you know what I mean, they just don't.

1884
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: That's that's not what they do. I mean they there

1885
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: there are places in the country that get more pressure.

1886
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: Um for sure. But dude, how many times has that

1887
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: deer actually been in close range of a human seen

1888
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: it and had to run off? Um? Probably not like

1889
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: a ton. And does it even associate that with a

1890
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,520
Speaker 1: true danger you know? Or is it just an instinctual

1891
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: thing that a deer does when it sees something move

1892
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: that's an object that doesn't look like a deer, you

1893
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I've seen deer run away from cows.

1894
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: You know, the cow is not gonna harm a dear,

1895
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: So you know that, like you're you're nailing it for sure. Man.

1896
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: It's it's like we have to kind of have that

1897
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: open mind like we talked about earlier. We're talking about

1898
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: hunting with a partner, Right, You've got to have an

1899
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: open mind and understand that you don't know everything. But

1900
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: there are things that you can know about deer. Like

1901
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: you said, they do they breed in a certain area

1902
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: or a certain way at certain time of year, and um,

1903
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: there are biological things that we can think about when

1904
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: it comes to that. Also, U the fact that they

1905
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: there's only so much cold weather a deer can take

1906
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where it is, but it is relative, right,

1907
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I I skinned out my buck

1908
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: from here at home last year, and it felt like

1909
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: I was skinning a rabbit compared to the other deer

1910
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: I had shot that year, because I shot Illinois bug

1911
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: in the South Dakota buck, you know, and it just

1912
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: has thinner skin. But you know, those those cold temps

1913
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: are relative. So like what's the average temp in your area? Well,

1914
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: if it's below average temps that week, you know that

1915
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: deer's gonna be moving more, it's gonna keep eat food

1916
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: more um to keep it warm, you know. And so

1917
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 1: those are things that you can know, and most of them,

1918
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: I would say probably have to do with like the

1919
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: biology of a deer. So you know, it's good to

1920
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: get to know, like how do dear see? What is

1921
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: their vision? Like, you know, talk to Carl Miller about

1922
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 1: that one time on our podcast, and you know, how

1923
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: does the dear um? You know, like what what time?

1924
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: What's the peak breeding? You know, and and is that

1925
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: you know for a lot of guys, like what is that?

1926
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 1: How does that compare to the peak movement? And these

1927
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: things you know, and so and then it gets finer

1928
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 1: and finer detailed, like we talked about earlier. But you

1929
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 1: can always take across the country the fact that do

1930
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: you like to go um in fairly straight lines when

1931
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: they go places, you know, and they're gonna take easy paths,

1932
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: um when they can do that, UM, like said, they're

1933
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna they're The cold factor is something you know at

1934
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: the time of year when it comes to you know,

1935
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: um breeding and stuff like that. Like you mentioned, so

1936
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: all those things really um are biological things you can

1937
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of carry across the country. Man, it's a white

1938
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: tailed deer, you know. Yeah, well, and I was I

1939
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: want to back up a second when you when you

1940
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: talk about deer looking up. You know, one of the

1941
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: things that I noticed when I started hunting out west,

1942
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 1: they didn't look up like it was. It was amazing.

1943
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: I was like, these things are stupid, Like I'm ten

1944
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: feet up in a little tree and then you know,

1945
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 1: like where I hunt in northern Wisconsin, they look up

1946
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot. And I think it's just a pressure thing.

1947
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 1: But we have to be really careful. And you know,

1948
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: if you say, like, well you can't kill them on

1949
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 1: a tree, They're gonna see every time like no, you

1950
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: It's not like an infallible thing, like they you can

1951
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: kill these deer. And so I always look at this

1952
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: like I almost expect to get busted over there in Wisconsin.

1953
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: If I haven't done a really good job of facing

1954
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: away from where I expect them to come, and if

1955
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I haven't really really done a good job, I'm probably

1956
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: in a little bit of trouble. But I still kill

1957
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: a fair amount of deer that bust me drawn and

1958
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: it's too late for him. And so we kind of

1959
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: use this stuff as an excuse to not do it right,

1960
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 1: like to not get in a tree or you know,

1961
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: like if you think, well, I gotta get in thirty

1962
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 1: feet in a tree otherwise I had to get busted, Like, man,

1963
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: I bet there's another answer to that, Like I bet

1964
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: that's not the only way to beat them. And okay,

1965
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: so can you sit on the ground and build a

1966
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: natural ground blind and you know, draws, you're coming up

1967
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: on your knees. There's there's ways around this stuff. But

1968
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: the things we believe as like always a never you know,

1969
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: we've heard that a lot like that holds us back,

1970
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: and you kind of you kind of just shatter those

1971
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: things the more you go spend time out there looking

1972
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: for new opportunities because you go, man, in my head,

1973
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'm gonna kill a

1974
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: big buck this way, and like, like just as an example,

1975
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've killed a fair amount of deer

1976
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,879
Speaker 1: from the ground, but the first when I first dedicated

1977
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: myself to I'm like, I'm gonna go kill a public

1978
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: land buck. I'm gonna kill big one. I went out

1979
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: to North Dakota and I was like, I'm gonna get

1980
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: in a tree stand on the river. I'm gonna shoot

1981
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: on when he walks by. And the buck that I

1982
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: had most patterned from scouting, I went in there, and

1983
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: the trees that I was gonna sit in where like

1984
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: fifteen times too big. There were these giant cotton woods,

1985
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, So I was like, oh, shoot, Like what

1986
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? And I'm like, I'm just gonna

1987
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 1: sit on the ground behind this tree and shoot him

1988
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 1: when he walks past. And That's what I did. And

1989
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: I was like this is stupid, Like this is this

1990
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: is not you know. There were times of like moments

1991
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: of like pure panic because I'm like, I know these

1992
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 1: bucks are gonna come down here and cross and there's

1993
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 1: no way I can get up there where I would

1994
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: normally do this, So what do you do? And it's like,

1995
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, they can't see through trees and he's

1996
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: still going to be twenty yards away. Like just there.

1997
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: There are other answers to these problems, but we kind

1998
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: of get it in our head like we have to

1999
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: do this or our deer are always gonna do that,

2000
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 1: or there's no way this is gonna work. And the

2001
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: more experience you get out there, the more you realize

2002
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of gray area going on here,

2003
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things we can get away with. Yeah,

2004
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: that's and I should have probably been more clear, like

2005
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 1: we we get picked off a lot in these Texas,

2006
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 1: so you know, as opposed to you know, Kansas or whatever,

2007
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: South Dakota. You know, like we get picked off in

2008
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: these Texas a lot. And so I think that's the

2009
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: point to make, is that it's it's if it's pressure dependent,

2010
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know kind of how high strung

2011
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 1: are those deer, you know, how light in the season

2012
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 1: is it, and those those are kind factors that you

2013
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: have to think about. Um. But like you said, like

2014
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: you gotta be creative and you gotta think of some

2015
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: way to get it around that. You know. It's uh.

2016
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: Um in Colorado this past week, UM, I kind of

2017
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: worked in over the course of a few days. We

2018
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 1: were hunting really far back, so it was it was tough.

2019
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 1: It was a tough hunt, and we're hunting this area.

2020
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: I started to really narrow down where I needed to be.

2021
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,839
Speaker 1: But um, the deer were on this creek system and

2022
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: the trees I wanted. I like killing deer out of

2023
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: trees because I just think, I just think I could

2024
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: see better. I can figure out what they're doing better

2025
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: from a tree because I can see them at two

2026
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: yards doing this and go, oh, I need to move

2027
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: over there. If I was from the ground, I might

2028
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 1: not even see a deer that that evening or whatever.

2029
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: So like I learned from the tree usually and so

2030
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: and I like to kill them because I feel like

2031
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I can get drawn better from the trees and without

2032
01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: getting seen in most cases. And so we were starting

2033
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: to narrow narrow down to like where we actually need

2034
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: to be, which tree we actually need to be in

2035
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: in uh, the closest trail that I thought was so

2036
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: like basically on the south side of me was where

2037
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 1: I thought the majority of that your movement would be.

2038
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 1: But I did have trails on the north side of me,

2039
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: but they were, you know, all within thirty yards. They

2040
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 1: were close, and I thought the better trails were gonna

2041
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: be on the south side, and they were, but the

2042
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: closest one was forty five yards, and I was like, oh,

2043
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: I just do not want to take that shot, you know,

2044
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: it's just so far. And so but I was prepping

2045
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: myself mentally for like what that looks like. I don't

2046
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: want to shoot a here it's on edge at forty

2047
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: five Like he needs to be calm and smelling, you know,

2048
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 1: smelling something on that trail or whatever. And so I'm

2049
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: just kind of working through all this thing and thinking

2050
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: like how can I how can I make this work better?

2051
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: And um, you start to like, really what it came

2052
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: down to is I went in there with this idea

2053
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: that the wind needed to be a certain direction for

2054
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: me to hunt that tree, and really figured out that

2055
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: it was kind of the opposite direction that worked best

2056
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: for for the situation, because um, I was able to

2057
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,879
Speaker 1: blow my wind, like I was able to get shots

2058
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: on deer um down wind of me before they got

2059
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 1: to my wind, whereas I was just thinking I didn't

2060
01:41:19,320 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: want to blow it on those trails at all. And so,

2061
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, long story short, like, sometimes you have to,

2062
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: like you said, keep your mind open, think about things

2063
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 1: that you go in. Try to narrow down into the

2064
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: deer's you know, as a bow hunter, you gotta try

2065
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 1: to narrow down into you know, the deer's lap pretty much.

2066
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: And then you know, once you get to the spot

2067
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: where you think you can counter deer, like how do

2068
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,600
Speaker 1: you how do you like, what can you create that

2069
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: can get you drawn? You know what I mean? How

2070
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 1: can you get drawn? Because that's the moment of truth.

2071
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: It almost always boils down to I mean, if you're

2072
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,120
Speaker 1: if you're hunting, and you're a pretty decent hunter, it

2073
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: really just always almost seems to boil down to like

2074
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: can you get drawn without getting seen? And um, we

2075
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: have to be creative a lot because I have to

2076
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: hang two stands a lot of times, you know, for

2077
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: one for the cameraman as well, and so like we

2078
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: get sometimes we're hunting some pretty small trees and I'm like, Okay,

2079
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 1: where do I put that platform? Like how do I

2080
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: what side of the tree? You know, Like how do

2081
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 1: I keep my broad heads? From from beating right in

2082
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: his face while I'm sitting there hanging on the tree

2083
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and all these things. So, um,

2084
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time doing that. But you're

2085
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: you're right, like when it comes down to uh, getting drawn,

2086
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: there's a way. You just have to figure it out,

2087
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you know. And sometimes it's using a big tree from

2088
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 1: the ground or whatever it might be. And we we

2089
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: did a lot of different things. We hunted from the

2090
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: ground while we're out there and almost killed a deer

2091
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: from the ground. So, you know, being open mind is big,

2092
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: big key man. When you when you have another person

2093
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: with you, you really figure out, well, you figure out

2094
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: a couple of things, like you figure out the best

2095
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: way to do stuff because you have to because it's

2096
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 1: way hard, and you figure out where you're just willing

2097
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: to make some concessions, you know. And I did that,

2098
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, filming for this one week in November series. Man,

2099
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,799
Speaker 1: I it was a good reminder of why I hadn't

2100
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: filmed for a long time, because it's just it's just tough.

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Speaker 1: But it forces you to think, like, Okay, if I'm

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Speaker 1: here for my best shot, where do I put him

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Speaker 1: to not get me busted? Or like it's it takes

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Speaker 1: a lot of consideration and you realize, like when let

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Speaker 1: me tell you this story. So, well, my cameraman for

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01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: that shoot showed up the backpack he had to bring

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Speaker 1: for our hunt. You could have put like a pretty

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Speaker 1: decent sized adult man's body in there. I think I

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Speaker 1: looked at that pack and I was like, is that

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Speaker 1: like your luggage and he's like, no, this is my

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Speaker 1: camera pack. And it was black. So I'm like and

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Speaker 1: so and I was like, man, we're sitting all day

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01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I brought my sheep hunting pants.

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Speaker 1: Well they're like puffy, And I said, bro, we're not

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Speaker 1: rifle hunting here, man, We're this is close range stuff,

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Speaker 1: and so you just go. I I was positive. I

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Speaker 1: talked to my buddy Eric about this. I was like,

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Speaker 1: that pack is gonna get us busted. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many times, but it's gonna happen. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it actually did. And I was confident of it.

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Speaker 1: And what what I realized, like, Okay, we had some

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Speaker 1: pretty good setups obviously, but I was probably given the

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Speaker 1: deer a little bit too much credit. Like I was

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Speaker 1: probably like, man, this is there you know, because you

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Speaker 1: get so cautious with this stuff and like I would

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Speaker 1: never bring that into a tree, Like if you show

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Speaker 1: that to me, I would be like, you couldn't pay

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Speaker 1: me to hunt with that and so and I have

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Speaker 1: my mind made up like that's gonna cost us And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it actually ever did. I know

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Speaker 1: having a cameraman with me cost me a couple of opportunities,

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Speaker 1: but it was like just run of the mill stuff

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Speaker 1: that happens filming. It wasn't because of that. And it

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Speaker 1: kind of was like I was kind of like, man,

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01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: I got that one wrong, Like I was. I was

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Speaker 1: sure that sucker was gonna cost us and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it it, but you know, it's just it's one

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01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: of those things like again I brought something to the

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01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 1: table as far as like maybe given the deer a

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01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: little bit too much credit, and you know, would that

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01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: have held me back any other way? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: But it's a it's a teachable moment regardless because because

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01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: you were wrong, I was wrong, that's right. And like

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Speaker 1: Casey loves he Casey is really specific, like and this

2145
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: is good. He always tries to think about what he

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01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,599
Speaker 1: says and what it actually means. Because in the South

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01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 1: we have all these sayings and sometimes I think they

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01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 1: might be called atoms or something, but like, you know,

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01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 1: like they had these sayings and um, you know, people

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01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: have set them for generations and now like people saying

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01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 1: without even thinking what does that actually mean? You know,

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01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 1: and like some there are sayings that like people you

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01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:53,640
Speaker 1: know don't really understand that, like you know, this is

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01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: actually a dirty saying and I'm saying this to my

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01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: preacher or something, you know, like you know, just you

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01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 1: haven't thought about that that's the way it was originally

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01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 1: intended or whatever. You know, it's just become this thing

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01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 1: that you say in a certain situation. And he's really

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01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: really specific about you know, saying things correctly and so um.

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Speaker 1: Like one of the sayings that you see on social

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Speaker 1: media a lot is um the game of cat and

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01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 1: mouse when talking about a deer, and he's like, it's

2163
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: not the way it happens. It's not cat and the

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01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: deer is you know, or or another one is the

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01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: deer outsmarted me, and Casey would rather you say that

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01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: the deer is smarter than you, but he didn't out

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01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: smart you, like you know, so um like but with

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01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: the cat and mouse thing, he's like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: the cat and mouse thing is like the Tom and

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01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Jerry idea that like the mouse is is uh, you

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01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: know actively almost like venge like with vengefulness coming you know,

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01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: coming at the cat or whatever and like staying keeping

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01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: from getting killed by the cat. Where the deer in

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Speaker 1: most cases doesn't have a who that he's being hunted,

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01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: right like, even even when a deer um is wise

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01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: to a hunter that is hunting it in in any

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01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 1: random moment, he doesn't know that he's being hunted. He's instinctual.

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01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 1: And so when he smells something or like if he

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01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: like he's habitual too, so like if he smelled something

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01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: in a certain area when he came in last time,

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01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: when he goes back to that area later on, he's

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01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: gonna he may circle down wind or jay hook or

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01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: whatever they call it, you know, to try to catch

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01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: that thing. But it's only because it's only it's very instinctual.

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01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Like you said, you can give the deer too much credit,

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01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 1: and being the cat and mouse thing drives him crazy

2187
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: because he thinks it's you know, not that you want

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01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 1: to discredit the deer. Because we love the deer. We

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01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:49,799
Speaker 1: think they're awesome, they're super creatures you know or whatever.

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01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: But um, he's like he's always so specific about that

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01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: and thinking like the deer is the deer is reactive

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01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 1: to its environment. It's not like you know, trying to

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01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 1: uh get you know, Tom to stick his you know,

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01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: tail out the mousehole and then smash it with a

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01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: hammer or whatever. You know. So he always talked about that.

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01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: It's so funny, you know. Yeah I did not. That's

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01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: not where I thought you were going with that. Uh yeah,

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01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean they're out there. They're out there, very aware

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01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,680
Speaker 1: that there's potential danger, and they're quick to react to it.

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01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: But it's you know, they're also out there living their

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Speaker 1: life most of the year without us having anything to

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Speaker 1: do with them. You know. Um, Tyler, we are. We

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01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,720
Speaker 1: have gone on for a long time here, buddy. We

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01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up. Uh, It's always so much fun

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01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 1: to chat with you. Man. Where where can everybody find

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01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: your stuff out there? Yeah? Man, I appreciate the opportunity

2207
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: big time. And I have a lot of respect for

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01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: you man. I know you know that because we text

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Speaker 1: a lot, especially in September when I'm struggling early season.

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01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: You're giving me all kinds of information and stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: like a deer hunting therapist for early September hunters. That's right,

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01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,719
Speaker 1: that's right. And we we love you, man, we really

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01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 1: and I and Casey and I both do especially we

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01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: really appreciate and respect you man, and appreciate the opportunity

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01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: to come on here and and uh talk for a

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01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: little bit, man. And it is always fun and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, if somebody's interested in checking out more what

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01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 1: we do. YouTube is a good place to see all

2219
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 1: these videos. Um where the Element on on YouTube? It's uh,

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01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, deer hunting, not skateboarding. And then uh there

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01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: the Element Wild dot com is our website. You can

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01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 1: find a lot of stuff, and we're on Instagram, Facebook.

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01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 1: We don't do TikTok like Tony and I talked about earlier,

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01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,080
Speaker 1: because at some point you can only give so much

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01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: of yourself to the social media unit universe. And uh,

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01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: you know there there's plenty of cool stuff to see

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01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: on YouTube of ours. So podcasts you want to check

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01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: that out? Yeah, the podcast too, it's the Element Podcast.

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01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: We've been doing that since uh actually technically seventeen is

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Speaker 1: when we launched our first episode in January, so coming

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01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: up on five years now um in January. So I've

2232
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 1: been doing in a lot of episodes, had you on

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01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 1: a couple of times, so if you guys like Tony,

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01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 1: you can check them out on our podcast too. We

2235
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 1: pretty much always do more than tactical stuff. We do

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01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 1: like some kind of philosophical episodes usually because we uh,

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01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: we have fun and we match up on a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. So definitely been fun man awesome, Thanks buddy.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune

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Speaker 1: in next week for more white tailed goodness. This has

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Speaker 1: been Where to Hunt and I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: As I always, thank you so much for listening, and

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