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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Tim McMahon ESPN NBA reporter, he gave us The Wonder Boy,

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Speaker 2: the book on Luka Duncic and the Curse of Greatness.

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Speaker 2: It's been covering the MAVs as of late because we

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Speaker 2: got some drama there. Nico Harrison gets fired. Was that

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Speaker 2: just to playcate the fans? Tim Howdy?

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Speaker 3: Dan, I had to say, there's a lot of justification

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Speaker 3: for that one, including the fact that the reason the

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Speaker 3: fans were outrage is because the man made the most shocking,

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Speaker 3: the most controversial trade in NBA history, and it's been

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Speaker 3: a complete disaster. I mean, this thing could not go worse.

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Speaker 3: The Mavericks have the worst offense in the league, while

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Speaker 3: Luka Doncic is lighting it up for the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Davis came into Campa a little bit heavy, has

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Speaker 3: a calf strain, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean they.

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Speaker 3: Traded Luca for for those exact reasons last year. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: this is it was just a horrendous case of general

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Speaker 3: manager malpractice and it reached a point where there was

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Speaker 3: no justification of Nico Harrison continuing to be the general

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Speaker 3: manager of Mavericks. It was only doing harm the fury

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Speaker 3: from the fans. That was the primary focal point. That like,

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Speaker 3: that was the dominant vibe when you walked in the arena.

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Speaker 3: The players felt like they had a home court disadvantage.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: One player said, it feels like our fans don't want

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Speaker 3: us to win, and he was right, because the fans

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Speaker 3: wanted them to lose, so Nika would would get gone.

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Speaker 3: And so it's a complete mess. They do have a

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Speaker 3: chance to pivot out of it because the basketball gods

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Speaker 3: gifted them the number one overall pick. Just complete luck

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Speaker 3: obviously not part of the plan. But it's going to

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Speaker 3: take a lot of winning in the margins and a

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Speaker 3: lot of you know, smart moves to be able to

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Speaker 3: build a sustainable contenter around Cooper Flack and but that

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Speaker 3: has to be the priority now, not trying to contend

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Speaker 3: in this three to four year window Nico Harrison.

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Speaker 4: Thought he created.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I can blame Nico Harrison. But does an

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Speaker 2: ownership have to sign off on this trade as well?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and listen, the firing of Nico Harrison is an

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Speaker 3: admission of the obvious. The Mavericks made a colossal mistake

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Speaker 3: when they traded Luka Doncic, and not just that they

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Speaker 3: traded him, but that the way they went about it.

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Speaker 3: You know, trade you don't trade a five time first

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Speaker 3: team All NBA selection entering his prime, fresh off of

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Speaker 3: finals appearance, and I could put a period there, but

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Speaker 3: you don't trade that guy, especially as a pocket listing like, hey,

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Speaker 3: a secret, We're not gonna We're not going to create

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Speaker 3: the biggest bidding war in NBA history. And so Patrick

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Speaker 3: Dumont allowed Nico Harrison to be the one basketball voice

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Speaker 3: in his ear.

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Speaker 4: He got bamboozled.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Nico Harrison took us to the finals,

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Speaker 3: that's what he thought. No, dude, Luca Doncics took you

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Speaker 3: to the finals.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there were some moves to put some pieces around,

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Speaker 3: but come on, and it was it was new owner syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Just a complete disaster. My advice would be for Patrick

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Speaker 3: Dumont to whether it's a press conference, whether it's a

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Speaker 3: uh preferably a one on one sit down with me,

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Speaker 3: but to take verbal visual accountability for it and not

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Speaker 3: kind of some you know, he put the letter out there.

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Speaker 3: It was it was vague that kind of danced around it,

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Speaker 3: But what I would tell you is, yeah, it's also

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Speaker 3: on Patrick Dumont, absolutely, and he was less than a

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Speaker 3: year into being an NBA governor. He was listening to

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Speaker 3: one person, one person only, which is not the way

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Speaker 3: to go about doing business. It's been a very difficult

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Speaker 3: learning experience for him, and he understands there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of work to be done to get this fan base fully.

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Speaker 4: Back on board.

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Speaker 2: Why did Mark Cuban get kicked to the curb and

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Speaker 2: did he have any say in Nico Harrison getting fired?

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Speaker 3: Let me start with the last part. Cuban's been lobbying

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Speaker 3: for Nico to get fired for a while.

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Speaker 4: He was not alone.

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Speaker 3: He had a lot of people lobbying with him. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to I'm not going to say that Cuban's

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Speaker 3: lobbying was a primary reason or even a major factor.

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Speaker 3: But listen, he laid out a logical case why they

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Speaker 3: needed to move on. It wasn't difficult to do. And

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Speaker 3: Patrick Dumont one thing he realizes, Hey, I've you know,

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Speaker 3: Cuban has been doing this for why he's been in

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Speaker 3: this world for a while. I should at least listen

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Speaker 3: to what he has to say, have dialogue with him

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Speaker 3: instead of we're going to be trading the face of

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Speaker 3: the franchise.

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Speaker 5: Mark.

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Speaker 4: Oh, actually it's already done.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm just giving you a courtesy call before it's

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Speaker 3: about to be reported in two minutes, which is that

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Speaker 3: was Cuban's involvement in that trade. Now, why did he

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Speaker 3: get kicked to the curb? There's a lot there. One

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Speaker 3: thing I will tell you Cuban didn't help himself when

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Speaker 3: he sold this franchise or the majority share of the

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Speaker 3: franchise and you know, cash multi billion dollar check and

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Speaker 3: then told everybody wo would listen, Hey, I'm still in

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Speaker 3: charge of basketball operations. These people there, it's just a

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Speaker 3: real estate play for them. They don't know what they're

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Speaker 3: doing with basketball.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm still in charge. Don't worry. When that was not

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Speaker 3: part of the discussion of the deal. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he was trying to speak it into existence or

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Speaker 3: you know, Cuban. I don't know how well you know

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Speaker 3: Mark Cuban, but I don't think he do real well

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Speaker 3: on polygraph tests on a regular basis.

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Speaker 4: He tends to be a little bit full of, you know, excrement.

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Speaker 4: But that didn't help because it's like what kind of dummy.

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Speaker 4: Do you think I am.

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Speaker 3: We gave you all this money and you're telling everybody

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Speaker 3: you're in charge when that's not the deal. So that

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Speaker 3: didn't help. And I think Nico Harrison realized, Wow, oh,

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Speaker 3: Cuban says he's in charge. Dumont says he ain't. Let

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Speaker 3: me go cozy up to the guy who is in charge.

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Speaker 3: And Nico Harrison, you know, former college basketball player, did

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Speaker 3: a hell of job boxing out great boxing out there.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Cuban was complete. I called him the

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Speaker 3: world's richest mascot. That was Mark Cuban's role. You know

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Speaker 3: for the first probably year plus of Dumont's.

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Speaker 2: Tenures the governor talking to Tim mcmahony ESPN NBA reporter

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Speaker 2: banned to make man podcast on the Hoop Collective and

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Speaker 2: wrote the book literally on Luka Doncic and the Curse

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Speaker 2: of Greatness. How would we know if Luca is getting better?

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Speaker 2: I know he's in better shape, But what would you

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Speaker 2: see since you wrote the book on him? What is

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Speaker 2: different about him this year than maybe in previous years.

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Speaker 3: Well, one, let me just remind you his last year

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Speaker 3: with the Mavericks, he led the league in.

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Speaker 4: Scoring, was.

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Speaker 3: Rounding up averaging a triple double and took a roster

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Speaker 3: that wasn't loaded with star town around him. You know,

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Speaker 3: Kyrie is a co star, but took that roster to

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Speaker 3: the NBA Finals, So pretty high bar to get better

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Speaker 3: from that. Now, I will say that I believe that

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Speaker 3: this trade and frankly, the way he was backstabbed and

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Speaker 3: way out the door.

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Speaker 4: And look.

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Speaker 3: On the fat chaming. The condition concerns are real, but

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Speaker 3: it was embarrassing for him. It was a slap in

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Speaker 3: his face. He has committed to conditioning in a more

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Speaker 3: consistent way than he ever has before. You saw the

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Speaker 3: body change. It's funny the Lakers listened to two forty four.

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Speaker 3: It's actually fourteen pounds heavier than the maps listened them.

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Speaker 3: The mass never updated to listen. The guy was in

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Speaker 3: the two sixties a lot of times in Dallas, so

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Speaker 3: you see the commitment to conditioning. He's also I think

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Speaker 3: grown up a lot in terms of understanding the importance

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Speaker 3: of being a leader, exactly what a face of the

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Speaker 3: franchise means, you know, having a working relationship with the

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Speaker 3: front office. Luca never wanted anything to do with front

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Speaker 3: office stuff. Early in his career, he didn't start giving

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Speaker 3: input until the Mavericks completely bungled the Jalen Brunson situation

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Speaker 3: for nothing. Now he's not only is involved on you know,

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Speaker 3: like consistent dialogue with Rob Polenka and Genie Buss, but

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Speaker 3: he's making phone calls. He's calling DeAndre a and hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, we need you here recruiting. Same thing with

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Speaker 3: Marcus Smart. All things that are face to the franchise

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Speaker 3: needs to do, you know, to maximize their chances of

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Speaker 3: success and things that you know early in his career

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Speaker 3: and even before the trade, you know that wasn't part

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Speaker 3: of the Luka Doncics experience in Dallas.

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Speaker 7: I'll leave you with this.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if ownership will just blow this up in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: You look at you know, this draft coming up. There's

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Speaker 2: probably five guys who could be the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent there, and I wonder you

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Speaker 2: don't want to go into the next three four years

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Speaker 2: thinking you're going to get Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving.

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Speaker 2: You got Cooper Flag and almost admit, you know, we

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Speaker 2: need to start over. Whether there be any sentiment towards

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Speaker 2: trying to do that, Well.

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Speaker 3: It's complicated, okay, because in successfully building a contender around

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Speaker 3: Luka Doncic, you gave up your first round draft capital,

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Speaker 3: either outright or via swap twenty seven, twenty eight thirty okay,

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Speaker 3: and hey twenty eight okay, See Houston has now thirty

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Speaker 3: the Spurs have it. So not only did you give up,

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Speaker 3: but your closest geographic arrivals.

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Speaker 4: You have the downfall here.

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Speaker 3: So but you've got you've got gifted Cooper Flag and

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Speaker 3: this kid.

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Speaker 2: Look, but did you go to the wrong place though,

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Speaker 2: like Wenby went to the right place? Did Cooper Flag

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Speaker 2: go to the wrong place?

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Speaker 4: So far?

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Speaker 3: Now, hey, they've they've really got to get a lot

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Speaker 3: of things right to be able to build a sustainable

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Speaker 3: contender around him. Okay, to your point, anything out this year,

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Speaker 3: which they've done unintentionally so far, Like, hey, that's probably

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Speaker 3: in the best interest long term in the franchise because

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Speaker 3: this is their one and only chance to get a

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Speaker 3: high mid to high lottery pick and that type of

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Speaker 3: talent to pair with Cooper and you know, to grow

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Speaker 3: with him and I think there's Look, there's they will

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Speaker 3: have discussions at least internally about exploring the trade market

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Speaker 3: for Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 4: He's got to get back on the floor. They got

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Speaker 4: to make sure.

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Speaker 3: He's not in a situation where he's going to aggravate

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Speaker 3: the calf injury or worse.

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Speaker 4: He will have some type of trade value. They've got

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Speaker 4: to explore that.

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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving, it might be mutually beneficial for him just

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Speaker 3: to take the whole year focus on getting one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent healthy, not help them win a few four games

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Speaker 3: down the stretch. But they can't do a complete rebuild

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Speaker 3: Dan because if they're bad next season, they don't benefit

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Speaker 3: to Charlotte Hornets do if they're bad the year after that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: see he's going to get a high pick out of it,

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Speaker 3: you know, and then then Houston, then San Antonio. So

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Speaker 3: you can benefit from being bad one year and one

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Speaker 3: year only. And the other thing is Cooper Flag wants

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Speaker 3: to compete asap. They've got to get a lot of

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Speaker 3: things right to give them that chance. It's obviously not

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Speaker 2: Would you rather have Victor Winmbanyama or Cooper Flag?

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's not a fair question, all right.

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Speaker 7: And maybe maybe we.

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Speaker 2: Have an All Star game that feels like it's an

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Speaker 2: You don't like your hand?

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, here's the deal. I don't give a crap

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I'm not Dan.

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Speaker 2: Also, it's the problem, though Tim, people don't care about

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Speaker 3: I'm the wrong guy. You know why, Dan, Here's what

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Speaker 3: I do on All Star weekend. I cash in Marriott

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The product has been poor, but I think it's an

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Speaker 3: League Baseball All Star Game like they're not competitive games.

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Speaker 2: But what if Baseball did this and had the United

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Speaker 4: It does add some intrigue to it.

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Speaker 3: And I was talking to somebody I was in LA

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Speaker 3: I'll give them that. I don't know that I'll tune

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Speaker 4: You know, with my toes in the sand.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Tim, Audios amigos.

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Speaker 2: Forward and of course won a championship with the Cavs.

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Speaker 2: Five time All Star joins us on behalf of Shift

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Speaker 2: Naturals Natural Sciences Company. I'll let him talk about that

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Speaker 2: coming up. You know, yesterday was the anniversary of your

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Speaker 6: I had just come off a game against the Lakers

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Speaker 4: That kind of started the you know, streak of double.

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Speaker 4: And here we are, season eighteen, so I'm still here.

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Speaker 6: I got gray hair, matching the shirt, trying to look

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Speaker 2: What player do you think gave you the most of

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Speaker 6: Defensively going against Dirkowitzki, there was just nothing you could

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Speaker 6: But I also believe in that time frame when I

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Speaker 6: They were seventy three and nineteen.

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Speaker 7: Your arms are flailing like you're you're Kate.

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Speaker 6: Listen like if you you know, it's like old school

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Speaker 4: You know, I contested a heavily contested shot.

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Speaker 4: I was supposed to deny that ball back. Steph Curry

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Speaker 4: Do to to do my part.

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Speaker 6: A had a tough series, but the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: There was a headline that was written Kevin Love graciously

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Speaker 7: Okay, well you.

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Speaker 4: Are so sensitive, man.

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Speaker 6: I didn't take any any any type of I didn't

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Speaker 6: I've been a friend of the show. I've been I

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Speaker 2: Did you know what I was trying to say?

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Speaker 6: Of course, that's where, like, you know, things get taken

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Speaker 4: They want to take that and make it something that

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Speaker 4: I know that I've had a damn good career. I

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Speaker 4: of course, one hundred I understand what you were saying.

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Speaker 4: But I've seen Cooper play in college when I'm when

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Speaker 2: But there's so much pressure on him. In the post,

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're going to be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: I'm blaming the media because we won't be satisfied, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think people took it differently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's true, and that's unfortunately in some cases.

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Speaker 2: But it would be better if you were actually mad

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Speaker 6: Kevin, Yeah, exactly right, and I think that's what people want, right,

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Speaker 6: But I'm just listen. I'm very comfortable in my career,

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Speaker 6: There's no hard feelings because I know the context in

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite memory of Kobe when you played on

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Speaker 6: Oh man, okay, So best best memory with Kobe was

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Speaker 6: You know, it was kind of a running it back

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Speaker 6: doing media and we get drug tested. We get drug

441
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 6: tested and we have to so we have a couple

442
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 6: people on the staff I forget exactly who it was

443
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 6: bring us champagne. And we just had to sit there

444
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 6: and I think we probably got about, you know, thirty ish,

445
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 6: maybe half an hour of just Kobe and myself talking

446
00:23:54,680 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 6: all things just about life and kids in career. That

447
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 6: was a very special moment for me, especially all all

448
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 6: things considered now with obviously the terrible tragedy that happened

449
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 6: with him, But I look back with that as a

450
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 6: very fond memory in my basketball life and journey because

451
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 6: he was a giant in my eyes and a lot

452
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 6: of people's eyes, and you know I grew up a fan.

453
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 6: I loved this game, love the way that he chased

454
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 6: it as number eight, as number twenty four, And you know,

455
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 6: he certainly holds a special place in my heart in

456
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 6: terms of, you know, my overall basketball career and journey

457
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Speaker 6: these last thirty years.

458
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Speaker 2: What was it like to get yelled at by Lebron?

459
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Speaker 4: I still get yelled at by Lebron. I'll see him.

460
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Speaker 6: We had to for other reasons, of course, But you know,

461
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 6: when I first got to Cleveland's, I had bad habits.

462
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 6: Like I look back, I had bad habits. I didn't

463
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Speaker 6: know what it meant to sacrifice. I didn't truly have

464
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 6: my first few years, but in my six years in

465
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 6: Minnesota like a vet to show me the way and

466
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Speaker 6: to deal with adversity and to understand, you know, what

467
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 6: it meant to be a good pro and also a

468
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 6: good teammate.

469
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Speaker 4: So I think.

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Speaker 6: Some of those moments, and you know, him yelling at

471
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 6: me and wanting me to be better was you know,

472
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 6: I would hope because he saw something more in me,

473
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 6: and also that you know, I was rough around the edges.

474
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 6: I needed to grow up in a lot of ways.

475
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Speaker 6: But I think that took looking in the mirror and

476
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 6: understanding that things weren't adding up as I would have liked.

477
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 6: And I think the adjustment curve in period was tough

478
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 6: for me that that first year. You know, I went

479
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 6: from being a guy that was a twenty plus point score,

480
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Speaker 6: ten plus rebounds, and you know, I'm all NBA guy,

481
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 6: and you know I had a step and sacrifice and

482
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 6: you play on the perimeter and let a basketball, you know,

483
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 6: magician and in Kyrie getting downhill, you know, I've never

484
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 6: seen it below the rim finisher quite like him. He's

485
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 6: so special. And then a freight train in Lebron do

486
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 6: their thing, and you know, it was about spacing for us,

487
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 6: and we were we ended.

488
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 4: Up being a machine.

489
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 6: We were a team that was thrived under chaos. Sure,

490
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Speaker 6: I think that's part of what we're talking about. But

491
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Speaker 6: you know, certainly those are some of my my my

492
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 6: favorite memories because I do feel like personally professionally I

493
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 6: have uh it'll come a come a long way, but

494
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 6: it definitely added to a little bit. This this these

495
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 6: grays here in that silver Fox.

496
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Speaker 7: What are you doing with Shift Naturals?

497
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 6: So I invested in the company Shift Naturals out of

498
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 6: ben Orgon I grew up, you know, just just down

499
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Speaker 6: the street in Portland, Oregon, and it's a you know,

500
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Speaker 6: I'm talking about longevity here, right and really unwinding from

501
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 6: the grind. And for me, you know, this was an easy,

502
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Speaker 6: you know, thing.

503
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Speaker 4: To be a part of.

504
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505
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Speaker 6: that unwinding. Sparkling Water is ready to drink cocktails and

506
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507
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Speaker 6: you know, a hangover. And I think that that model

508
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 6: really defines them, that unwind from the grind, and it's

509
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Speaker 6: better for you. It's great tasting, and you know, it's

510
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Speaker 6: something that I implemented into my everyday life.

511
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Speaker 2: How did you I was going to say courage. I

512
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: don't know if you'd use that, but you came forward

513
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: with mental health, Jared. It's something that especially guys don't

514
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: talk about. But can you help me understand maybe the

515
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: week leading up to that where you actually said I

516
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: need to talk to this about this, bring this to

517
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: people's attention.

518
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

519
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Speaker 6: Well, it was All Star of twenty eighteen and if

520
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 6: you can remember that time in February, uh, you know,

521
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: there was a lot leading up to that in my

522
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: personal and professional life. I'd been named an All Star

523
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 6: that year, but even prior in the summertime, there was

524
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 6: you know, things going on within you know, my family

525
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 6: and my extended family, people within arms distance, whether I

526
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 6: was going through it or they were going through it.

527
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Speaker 3: Or.

528
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Speaker 6: You know, we were estranged or or not speaking or

529
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 6: on bad terms. And then you know, we we trade

530
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 6: Kyrie Irving and we still have the expectations of make

531
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 6: you know, if not making the NBA Finals, then.

532
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: You know, going and winning the NBA Finals.

533
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 6: And so our team a lot of new faces, a

534
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 6: lot of new parts, and we did not have a

535
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 6: good start to the season, and I think that that

536
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: was stuff. I'd broken my hand, you know, I had

537
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: the panic attack on in November of that year against

538
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 6: the Atlanta Hawks, and everything kind of led up to

539
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 6: All Star you know, that year.

540
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: So I had the game taken away from me, and I.

541
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 6: Was just you know, so much of the time I

542
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 6: was able to just lean into basketball as a as

543
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 6: a safe space. So that being taken away, the team

544
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 6: didn't know what was going on. My teammates didn't know

545
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 6: what was going on. I was afraid that I was

546
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 6: going to be you know, found out. I didn't want

547
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 6: anybody to know because how it was going to affect

548
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 6: my livelihood and you know those things said. You know,

549
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: there was rumblings around all Star as well. I started

550
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 6: giving questions about you know, where my head was and

551
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 6: you know how I was really feeling, and I think

552
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: people started to catch wind of it, and I mentioned Parking,

553
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 6: Florida because I'm like, Okay, what is really going on

554
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 6: in our country and that community and you know those kids,

555
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 6: those parents who's all affected by that.

556
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: And I thought that there.

557
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Speaker 6: Was some some good to be done by you know,

558
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 6: sharing my story because I know that all of you know,

559
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 6: those people and so many others now that I've found

560
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 6: out in March of that year, when I press sin

561
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 6: on that first person article, just you know, my idea

562
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 6: was to just help that next person, help that one person,

563
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 6: and you know, maybe you can change the trajectory of

564
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 6: their life and thinking of their families, their friends, their siblings, mom, dad,

565
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 6: you know, teachers, community, peers. You just don't know the

566
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: ripple effect that that could have. And just changing one life,

567
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 6: so that, you know, led me to start the Kevin

568
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 6: Lovelund as well. So it's been a great you know,

569
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 6: a great thing and something legacy wise that I know

570
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 6: that I'll have after basketball. But I think that's what

571
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 6: led me to share, and as well as DeMar de

572
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: Rosen sharing his story you know as well, or just

573
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 6: a passive tweet that struck me as as something that

574
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 6: it felt like it was very courageous, and I got

575
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 6: to speak with him at All Star of that year,

576
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 6: and I think he could really He said it in

577
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 6: his book that you know, he could sense something was

578
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 6: going on, so that that that kinship, that brotherhood as

579
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 6: as has really.

580
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Speaker 4: Evolved as well. And you know, we've continued to do

581
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Speaker 4: the work the last seven US years.

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Speaker 2: It's called Shift Naturals. You can visit Enjoyshift dot com

583
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Speaker 2: for more information.

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Speaker 7: Great to catch up with you, stay in touch.

585
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah sounds good, Thank you, Belly, appreciate it.

586
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Love, I've always enjoyed him. I think he's a

587
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: very interesting person and probably will make a great coach

588
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: or analyst when it's all said and done.

589
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599
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Speaker 2: let me start with the Eagles with AJ Brown. He

600
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Speaker 2: can be telling us the truth. He can be correct

601
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Speaker 2: in his assessment of the offense. It's just the style

602
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: in which he's telling us these things I have a

603
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: problem with. Tell me what is different about the Eagles

604
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Speaker 2: this year as opposed to last year, and in particular

605
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Speaker 2: Aj Brown?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you know, last year they got the

607
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Speaker 5: running game going to such an extent that it basically

608
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 5: made everything really easy. Right, everything now it didn't even matter.

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Speaker 5: I mean, again, let's not forget there was a seven

610
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Speaker 5: or eight week stretch towards the end of the season

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Speaker 5: where last year in Philadelphia were like, man, can they

612
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Speaker 5: throw the ball? Can they really do anything like that?

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Speaker 5: This is not like it's just coming up out of nowhere.

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Speaker 7: Again.

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Speaker 5: It was also like that the year before too, when

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Speaker 5: they you know, kind of had the meltdown late in

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Speaker 5: this football season. So this has been a continual issue

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00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: with them. They're not extremely creative, right. The quarterback is

619
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Speaker 5: not surgical playing within the pocket.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the quarterback wants them to do a

622
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Speaker 5: whole lot on offense either.

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Speaker 7: So they're very simple that way.

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Speaker 5: And I say that because I know that I've been

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Speaker 5: told by that by people that have played their coach.

626
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 5: There been, there, there now whatever. So those are the issues. So, yeah,

627
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Speaker 5: they lack a creative schematical attack on a week to

628
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Speaker 5: week basis where they basically rely on. And when you

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Speaker 5: see Jalen Hurts in the passing game have a good game,

630
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Speaker 5: what happens. It's always the same thing, Dan. The team

631
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Speaker 5: has to play run defense to such an extent, then

632
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Speaker 5: now we can just throw a go ball to AJ

633
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Speaker 5: Brown or we throw a slant to Devonte Smith and

634
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Speaker 5: then they run and do that. But there's never like, ooh,

635
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 5: watch this systematical destruction they're doing right here.

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Speaker 7: And without the run game, all.

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Speaker 5: Those things kind of get put at the forefront and

638
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: we all go, what's going on with the most talented offense.

639
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: And why isn't anybody else complaining.

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Speaker 5: That's a fair question. I get that you've heard the

641
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: offensive lineman going, we're predictable. We have people saying the

642
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: plays when we're lining up there, right, But at the

643
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 5: same time, too, right, they're wasting one of the biggest

644
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 5: assets in their football team. We got a guy that's

645
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 5: making thirty two million dollars and is one of the

646
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Speaker 5: best offensive players in the game, and they can't find

647
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: a way to let him touch the football. That's kind

648
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: of crazy in the twenty twenty five NFL. You know,

649
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: so again, I don't sit here and condone all the

650
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: things he said and done this thing, what he just

651
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 5: did being on playing online, playing in a game with somebody.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he said anything crazy there. I didn't

653
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Speaker 5: have that much of a problem with it. He just hey,

654
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Speaker 5: we're not good, don't take me on fantasy. We should

655
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Speaker 5: be better. Yeah, it's obvious stuff, right, But yes, I

656
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Speaker 5: understand your point in airing out their dirty laundry sometimes.

657
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 7: Sure, I got you. What should we be watching for

658
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Speaker 7: with Drake May tonight?

659
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Speaker 5: Oh man, man, Drake May is for what I love

660
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 5: is the aggressive nature of the offense. Right, you're watching

661
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 5: them every week. It's not dink and dunk and like

662
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 5: they're managing Drake May. Is that like they haven't gone

663
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 5: the full Tom Brady offense yet because it's a hard

664
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 5: offense and he's learning it. And I think Vrabel wants

665
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: to play a certain way, so it's not just like, hey,

666
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 5: the ball's in your hands, so you know, tear them

667
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: up that way.

668
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 7: They play a balanced game of football.

669
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: They can really run the football, but when they drop

670
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 5: back to pass, they're looking for heavy hitters. And that's

671
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: what I love about Drake May. He is just as

672
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: poison as can be in the pocket. He's fearless with

673
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 5: people around him, and he is an unreal intermediate deep

674
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 5: ball thrower right now and then when it's not there,

675
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 5: as you know, he's getting to the point like Tampa

676
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 5: Bay last week, Dan they spied them. His running is

677
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: getting good enough to wear a third downs. The defensive

678
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 5: coordinator's like, we got to account for him. We got

679
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 5: to have a plan here, so he'll post some problems.

680
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: The Jets defense, though, is no slouch. They're one of

681
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 5: the better pass defenses in all of football. I don't

682
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 5: think it's just gonna be bombs away playoff they play.

683
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: The problem is, we know the Jets offense stinks, and

684
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 5: you know eventually the dam will break with the Jets

685
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 5: all together.

686
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: But with Josh McDaniels, there are they running? Are they

687
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: running Tom Brady's offense? Maybe just it's a little watered

688
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: down exactly they are they are? And you know, I

689
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: think the world Josh McDaniels. You know, you can say

690
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: what you want about him as a head coach. There's

691
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: no denying he's one of the best offensive coordinators in

692
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 2: football for about twenty years straight here, And yeah, I

693
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: think it's like it's early years Brady offense right now.

694
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: That's what I would say, Dan, Like when they were

695
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: winning those first three Super Bowls, they weren't in the

696
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: shotgun and it wasn't just Wes Welker Edelman, We're gonna

697
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: just totally destroy you that way, right It was a

698
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: little bit more we're gonna run the ball, and then

699
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna fake the run and Tom's gonna sit there

700
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: and throw a twenty yard laser down the field for

701
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: play action pass to somebody.

702
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 5: That's kind of the way they're playing right now. It's

703
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 5: like early two thousands, Patriots, Your MVP as of today

704
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 5: is Matthew Stafford. I'm gonna go with Matthew Stafford. Yeah,

705
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 5: I mean again, Drake May and that combo for sure, right,

706
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see where Baker Mayfield. I'm still not

707
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: gonna take him out of there, but I think the

708
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: top three right now would be Stafford, Drake May, and

709
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor. For my money, those would be the three

710
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 5: guys i'd look at. Stafford is you know, phenomenal. It's

711
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: just phenomenal, and again a lot like Drake May. It's

712
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: not like it's a dink and dunk golfense. He drops

713
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: back and he's like, where's Pooka? Is he thirty yards

714
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 5: down the field? Oh no, he's not open. Lo Oh,

715
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 5: there's Davante. He's forty yards down the field? Show right,

716
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 5: I mean that's where he is. Phenomenal that way, and

717
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 5: for being the gun slinger he is and the arm

718
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 5: talent he still has and still to what he's only

719
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: thrown two interceptions.

720
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll give him the title right now.

721
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: As we sit here and I thought this would be

722
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: his last year. I love them as a team and

723
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl contender. It just came down to Matt's

724
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: health and he's I don't know how many times he's

725
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: been sacked, but probably not very many. You've got a

726
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: great coach, you've got a couple of great receivers, and

727
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: you've got a running back, you got some playmakers on defense,

728
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: and then you got this show down with Seattle. How

729
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: is Seattle making this work kind of in the shadows?

730
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 7: Yeah it is.

731
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Speaker 5: And you know, I know you don't listen to me

732
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: like on a daily basis, and don't expect you to,

733
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 5: but Seattle's one of those teams. For about three weeks,

734
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 5: I've gone on my shows, different shows and gone They're

735
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 5: the team everybody's sleeping on. Seattle can go to the

736
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 5: super Bowl. They're that good. They literally are that talented.

737
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: And I think that their offense and what they do

738
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: fits Sam Donald a lot better.

739
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 7: Than what he was in the Minnesota.

740
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: So the first thing is they can legitimately run the

741
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 5: ball this year, where like if you don't play run defense,

742
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 5: they will run the ball with success. And then if

743
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: we know if you overplay the run. They're one of

744
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: the most aggressive passing teams in football too, yards per attempt,

745
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 5: yards per completion, you look it up. Sam Donald's at

746
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 5: the top of the list in that department, and then

747
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: you add Rashid Shaheed to it. So they have a

748
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 5: great combination of like, hey, we can run the ball

749
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: when you cheat and stop the run. We got some

750
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: guys on the outside, even Cooper Cup that can beat

751
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 5: you down the field watch out. And then that Shanahan

752
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 5: play action scheme is so effective off of that. With

753
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak the other side, I have a man crush

754
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 5: on their defense. Dan their front five, they're front four.

755
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's one big baller after another. So

756
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 5: they can win the physical battles and their secondary is

757
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 5: awesome on top of that. Not totally healthy yet, but

758
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: it's between that and the scheme. Yeah, as I've said

759
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: a lot of times this week, like don't be shocked

760
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: if we're sitting here Championship Sunday and the Seattle Seahawks

761
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 5: are there. I put them in the same class as

762
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Speaker 5: the Lions, the Eagles, and the Rams or the Bucks

763
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: in the NFC.

764
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Speaker 7: The NFC's got some heavy hitters this year, that's for sure.

765
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Speaker 2: Vikings having more of a seller's remorse with Daniel Jones

766
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: or Sam Darneld.

767
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 7: That's a good question there.

768
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Speaker 5: You know, I think that they made up their mind

769
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: they didn't want the Sam Donald thing at the end

770
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 5: of the year, you know, after the Detroit game and

771
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 5: then going into the RAM game, which the Ram game

772
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: wasn't Sam Donald's fault. The wild card game, I mean,

773
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: they got their butts whooped. In totality, everybody got whooped.

774
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 5: Nobody had a chance on that football game whoever played quarterback.

775
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 5: But you know, the Daniel Jones things. I had heard

776
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: from some people up there and some credible people that

777
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 5: they really like Daniel Jones. And again, as you've heard

778
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: me say to you before, the league views Daniel Jones

779
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 5: differently than the fans do. And so yeah, I would

780
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: think there's some buyers remorse. But at the same time,

781
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 5: like they were invested in JJ McCarthy, they trade it

782
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 5: up to get him. They had to do this. He's

783
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: a top ten pick or eleven pick whatever. He is

784
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 5: right in that range where they got to see what

785
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 5: they got here. So can he stay healthy here? He

786
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 5: is can't practice yesterday? Right, There is some talent there,

787
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 5: but it's not gonna be like he's gonna be able

788
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: to run the offense like Sam Darnold did last year

789
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 5: or Kirk Cousins before that. He's basically a rookie. So

790
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a few bumps in the road as

791
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: we go forward.

792
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: Here feels like people are bailing on Jade and Daniels

793
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: because he got hurt. He did turn in maybe the

794
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: greatest rookie season of quarterbacks ever had.

795
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 5: I'm so sick of the fickle nature of fans right now.

796
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: I mean I have people now be like Drake may

797
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: he's better than Jayan Daniels now right. I mean bo

798
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 5: Nicks is better than Jayan Daniels now right, And it's like, no, no,

799
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: Jane Daniels is phenomenal. This is the only issue you

800
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 5: really had about Jane Daniels that I think I worried

801
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 5: about and other teams worried about, is he's frail. I mean,

802
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 5: he can be painfully skinny looking at in the field

803
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 5: of times, so this is what we all wondered. Could

804
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 5: he take the punishment of the NFL when he ran

805
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: a little bit and did that. But still, I mean,

806
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: he's phenomenal and the class is phenomenal. I mean, come on,

807
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams is going like this too, and he's totally

808
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: getting reconstructed as a quarterback robot here right in front

809
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 5: of us. So it's an incredible class right now that

810
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 5: I feel like you really only question right now to

811
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: this point is is JJ McCarthy and Michael Pennix and

812
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 5: where are they gonna go? The talent's there, but it's

813
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 5: just been all over the place so far.

814
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: It feels like it was two months ago, six weeks

815
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: ago people were bailing on Caleb Williams Ben Johnson relationship

816
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: that it wasn't going to work.

817
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 7: And I'm thinking, do we give up that quickly?

818
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 5: With?

819
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that talent?

820
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: And then you bring in Ben Johnson who's trying to

821
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: get him to play the position how he envisions it

822
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: instead of Caleb Bin visions it exactly.

823
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 7: That's a lot. That's a lot, Dan, You're spot on.

824
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy that his whole life

825
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 5: in Caleb Williams has been able to drop back and go, uh,

826
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: I can just make it happen. I'll just make this

827
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 5: throw or I'll scramble and move and buy some times

828
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: and make it happen. And he's got now Ben Johnson

829
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 5: coming into town and going no, no, no, that's cool. You

830
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 5: might be able to do that, and you know the

831
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: Pac ten against some crappy defenses are in the Big

832
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 5: twelve and all that, and you might get away with

833
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: it against a few offenses defenses in the NFL. But

834
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: as a whole, if you want to win a Super Bowl,

835
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 5: you gotta run an offense. You gotta run an offense.

836
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 5: You can't think you're just gonna make a play in

837
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 5: a big moment. You gotta trust the system and be

838
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: systematic that way. And he hasn't been that totally yet,

839
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 5: but he's getting there, that's for sure. And his talent

840
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: is eye popping. I mean to me, it's eye popping.

841
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: I mean you see his running. His running is like

842
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 5: a third down running back. He breaks tackles and breaks

843
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 5: ankles and does all that. His arm is arguably the

844
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: strongest in football. It's right up there with Josh Allen. Right,

845
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 5: But you know, throwing balls on time, in rhythm, in

846
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 5: the pocket.

847
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 7: And all that, that's still a learning process.

848
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 5: And you explained it right, and Ben Johnson, of course,

849
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: has a million rules and laws to his offense. That's

850
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: a big learning curve.

851
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, I want him to be Jared Goff through the

852
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: first three quarters. Then he can be Caleb Williams in

853
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. That's a great way to put it.

854
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: That's what he should be. You're exactly right.

855
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 5: And I think if you looked at me and you

856
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 5: sat down and watch film right now of Caleb Williams,

857
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: you'd go, ah, yeah, there's a little too much, you know,

858
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: trying to color outside the lines in the first three

859
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 5: quarters where you just go, wait, that little slant rout

860
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: or that under route was open, let's hit it. Let's

861
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 5: be in second and four, let's just keep going that way.

862
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 5: And yeah, he hasn't totally gotten there yet.

863
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: To your point, Dan, the Giant situation with Jackson Dart, Like,

864
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how much this played into the firing

865
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: of Brian Dabele, but if you're going to have designed

866
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: runs with your quarterback who runs like a running back

867
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: like I have to protect Jackson Dard from himself.

868
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 7: That crossed my mind. I don't think you're crazy for that.

869
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 7: You know.

870
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: There's a little bit of like a thing with the

871
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 5: Giants where I was like, are they just gonna go

872
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Speaker 5: all out and ruin the football team just to save

873
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Speaker 5: their jobs?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: And that's where I was like, ownership's got to look

876
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Speaker 5: at the bigger picture here, right, It's like, we gotta

877
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Speaker 5: win this one or I might be get fired. I'm

878
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 5: gonna ruin the rookie quarterbacks career today and run them

879
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Speaker 5: up the middle seventy five times, but I want to

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Speaker 5: win the keep.

881
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Speaker 7: My job ready.

882
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 2: He was knocking on the you know, the blue tent,

883
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: and yes, getting Jackson Dart out there.

884
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 7: I went, wow, right, that's right.

885
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: This was a troubling situation because it really felt like

886
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Speaker 2: Brian Dable knew I can't put Russell Wilson in there.

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Speaker 7: I'm totally with you.

888
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: And then even last week, he gets concussed and then

889
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 5: he comes in plays two plays and then somebody with

890
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 5: some brains went, wait, that guy's brain's not working functionally here, let's.

891
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 7: Get him out of the football. But yeah, I would

892
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 7: was that was that.

893
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: You know a part of my thought at first was like, man,

894
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 5: they they just did they They don't trust him, and

895
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 5: they don't feel like he's protecting Jackson Dart. You know,

896
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: certainly that crossed my mind, but I think ultimately, you know,

897
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Speaker 5: they just they wanted to turn the page on Brian dayball.

898
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Speaker 5: And I don't know if I totally agree with it.

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Speaker 5: I'll just say from this like, I'm all for the new,

900
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Speaker 5: you know, getting a new head coach. I think there's

901
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Speaker 5: a part of me though, that goes, wait, you know

902
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Speaker 5: Jackson Dart and what he's doing, it is going this way?

903
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: Do we want to disrupt that right now? Maybe just

904
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Speaker 5: keep that going and then we can fire day ball

905
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Speaker 5: after the year. I think we all knew what was

906
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Speaker 5: going that way anyways, it didn't matter, right, So I

907
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Speaker 5: just wonder if this disrupts the whole process of Jackson

908
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Speaker 5: Dart to a degree.

909
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Speaker 2: Is Jameis Winston goofy on purpose? I think no, he's

910
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: like that naturally. And I say that in a in

911
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Speaker 2: a good way, right. Jameis Winston I think was afraid

912
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Speaker 2: for a long time to show his true personality because

913
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Speaker 2: of some of the things that happened in college, in

914
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Speaker 2: his early career where I think he was like, wait,

915
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Speaker 2: I'm the number one pick. There's a bad reputation out

916
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Speaker 2: of here, so let me be a little bit, you know,

917
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, like as far.

918
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Speaker 7: As just a straight arrow.

919
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 5: But I think he's gotten to a point in his

920
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 5: life where he's finally like, hey, the hell with it.

921
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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be myself, and I really love being

922
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: around him. He is he is hilarious, he's funny. It's natural.

923
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Speaker 5: Do you your quarterback, not as a starting quarterback. No,

924
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 5: but I want him over Russell Wilson. I think that

925
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Speaker 5: is no doubt. I'll take that. I You know again,

926
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Speaker 5: I don't think Russell Wilson plays to win games anymore.

927
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Speaker 5: I think he just plays not to lose. Jamis is

928
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 5: going to play to win this week. And yeah, he

929
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Speaker 5: might throw some interceptions, but he might throw some of

930
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 5: the damnedest touchdown passes we've ever seen too, And I'd

931
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Speaker 5: rather watch that than Russell either throw a go route

932
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Speaker 5: or take a sack.

933
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Speaker 7: I don't want to see that.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine somebody giving Russ another chance.

935
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Speaker 7: No, no, And does Russ really want another chance?

936
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think Russ came to New York because

937
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: he wants to live the New York life, and they're

938
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 5: more worried about being famous and all that. And yeah,

939
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Speaker 5: I mean the days of being a starting quarterback are

940
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: certainly over. It's just yeah, does he want to take

941
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Speaker 5: the Joe Flacco route and be a backup somewhere, maybe

942
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Speaker 5: revive his career?

943
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Speaker 2: That way good to talk to you. Thanks has always

944
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: have a great weekend. And you know what, you can

945
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: always text me if you want to tell me, hey,

946
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: Seattle is a legitimate you know, just send a text.

947
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 7: Hey.

948
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Speaker 2: Okay, sure, try to find your podcast or watching you

949
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Speaker 2: in Florio.

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, I do want you to watch Christims unbtton.

951
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 5: But you can text me too and ask those questions.

952
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: It's not against the rules. I checked the rule book.

953
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 5: You're allowed to do that, all right.

954
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Speaker 7: He's Christians. Tell those jerks, I said, Hi, Hey jerks.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Talk Live co host and his Unbuttoned podcast

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Speaker 2: as well. He'll be there on football Night in America.