WEBVTT - Chris Rock

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alec Baldwin. And here's the thing. A few

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<v Speaker 1>months back I attempted to catch up with Chris Rock.

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<v Speaker 1>His dressing room in Broadway shown Field Theater was five

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<v Speaker 1>floors up, no elevator. Chris's show The Motherfucker with the

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<v Speaker 1>Hat was about a group of dysfunctional friends and lovers

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<v Speaker 1>where every relationship had gone bad, really bad. Drugs, booze, cheating,

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<v Speaker 1>No one was loyal to anyone. Chris played a recovering

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<v Speaker 1>alcoholic who, at first glance seems to be a good guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but after a few minutes it was clear he was

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<v Speaker 1>the most self serving of the bunch. Oh man, you

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<v Speaker 1>do a great man. You want to press that this

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<v Speaker 1>is something beautiful. Come and stay with me and Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>Man get on a nutritional beverage program. Man. Before this

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<v Speaker 1>past spring, Chris might have been the last person you'd

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<v Speaker 1>expect to see starring in a Broadway show. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris can sell out Madison Square Garden. P s they

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<v Speaker 1>have an elevator. Yet there he us between performances in

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<v Speaker 1>his attic dressing room at the show Felt Theater. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted my acting to grow. Do you have obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>huge following Black and white in your concerts, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>when you go out in this audience, how black is

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<v Speaker 1>the audience? Well, I mean put away. In the old days,

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<v Speaker 1>they used to have signs up whites only, whites only.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they have a new thing. It's called prices. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some nights it's darker than other nights. I buy tickets

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<v Speaker 1>every night when this play is over. I spent almost

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<v Speaker 1>a whole weekly paycheck on tickets as gifts for friends

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise couldn't come see the show. Otherwise, could not afford

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<v Speaker 1>to see this show. I tour and I'm normally you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the garden or whatever, like sixty thousand seats to

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<v Speaker 1>give away what I'm normally on tour, and people have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten used to this. My man takes care of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know I don't. I can't take that away

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<v Speaker 1>from friends and family. You haven't done a lot of theater. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first play I've ever done. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the first play you've ever done. I didn't do a

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<v Speaker 1>play in high school. I didn't go to high school.

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<v Speaker 1>So so not only your Broadway debut, but your first

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<v Speaker 1>play period. You're with a pretty cool group of people experience,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, and they have held me up. No

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<v Speaker 1>one ever got frustrated at what I didn't know. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bunch of little things that people take

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<v Speaker 1>for grant. I have no idea. You're never supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>walk straight at somebody supposed to looke. Just all these

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<v Speaker 1>weird little thing And my favorite is that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>give information to the person. So if you're standing here

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<v Speaker 1>telling them something, you tell it out. You sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and open, open, open to the audience as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>All that open, open, open, open, open stuff. Yes, even today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working on it. The Chris Rock that I know

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<v Speaker 1>from your live shows, I don't see much of him

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<v Speaker 1>in this show because that Chris Rock is like marauding

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<v Speaker 1>the stage and as complete control over the audience. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a different Chris I see in the play. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to act here. You know. Have you enjoyed it?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm enjoying it a lot, A lot. A lot. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing I've ever gone through in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I always tell people it's like having the Empire State

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<v Speaker 1>Building shoved up your ass, one brick at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and to learn they can't believe there's ever gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a day when you know what's been the surprise about

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<v Speaker 1>doing this for you? Honestly, I'm surprised I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm surprised that I'm not bored with it already.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you afraid of that? I'm really that That's what's

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<v Speaker 1>the that's the biggest fear, to actually be stuck doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this change for you night by night day? You

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<v Speaker 1>know what's weird? I'm figuring out how to make it

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<v Speaker 1>change now. So I'm actually figuring out how to add

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<v Speaker 1>lib every night without saying words, how to work eats,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a little different in each line, and try to

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<v Speaker 1>find laughs and places that I didn't find one the

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<v Speaker 1>night before. So yes, it's to answer your question, it

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<v Speaker 1>changes every night. Well what I love about this plant?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, everybody has loved someone and not too

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<v Speaker 1>far into the relationship, you say to yourself, not only

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<v Speaker 1>is this probably wrong, this is definitely wrong, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can't get out of it. How does this play resonate

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<v Speaker 1>with you in your personal life? I've been every person

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<v Speaker 1>in this place, not a person, everything, everything, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>the one who sucked the other person in response to

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<v Speaker 1>the betrayal, the revenge fuck every person. It's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of play you can't watch without putting yourself in it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you write your material for stand up, how do

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<v Speaker 1>the people in your life react to how you fill

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<v Speaker 1>at them on stage? If you you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like a lawyer in a sense. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a legal document. It's a word. It like

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<v Speaker 1>it's all our wives and all our you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's like like if you if I gave

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<v Speaker 1>you the transcript, he'd be like, he hasn't talked about anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It would it would all hold up in court. But

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<v Speaker 1>you do. But you never have anybody in your life. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's uncomfortable. I remember I read a quote Tarantino said,

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<v Speaker 1>if people in your life aren't uncomfortable, you're not really writing,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not really hitting it. You know, somebody better be uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you grow up in a situation that was remotely

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<v Speaker 1>like this? And then emotionally and most turbulence, My parents

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<v Speaker 1>plase way, My mother cursed a lot, screamed a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>You know my father, my mother beat us with a

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<v Speaker 1>curtain rod. Yeah, well we got beatings with curtain rods

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<v Speaker 1>and brooms and brushings and hangars or whatever. But me

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<v Speaker 1>and my father. It's weird. My father, his temper towards

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<v Speaker 1>my mother was always controlled well else he could lose it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it was he wanted to protect that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, first of all, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>guys from that era did not view women as their equals.

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<v Speaker 1>They did and they were loving and blah blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah, but they did not view women as their equals.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore they could actually deal with the woman's emotional whatever

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<v Speaker 1>swings way easier than a guy in my age, because

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<v Speaker 1>I view a woman as my equal. So if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman and she starts crying, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>her like I'm with you when you start crying, don't

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<v Speaker 1>go female on me. I'm like something, I look at

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<v Speaker 1>her life. I would look at a guy that gets emotional. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, if we were equal, then you can't play

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<v Speaker 1>that car don't the female. So I'll just say my

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<v Speaker 1>father and my grandfather's both but we're really delicate with

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<v Speaker 1>their wives. You know, not a child, but close to

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<v Speaker 1>a child. That's different for you. My wife's my equal,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you know, any budding of heads is

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<v Speaker 1>because I I want I'm dealing with you the same

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<v Speaker 1>way I would deal with myself, or I deal with

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<v Speaker 1>any guy, and we're both wrong. What are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do when this is over? Do you know how much sure?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna direct a movie? That's what I'm feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the time in your life and you

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<v Speaker 1>do all the things you told yourself you'd never do.

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<v Speaker 1>Play on Broadway, direct a movie? Why do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to direct a movie? I don't know? Is your Warren

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<v Speaker 1>Babby face that? Yeah, I don't know. I put this away.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can get a great director to direct me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. But yeah, once you get to the seilers,

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<v Speaker 1>you might as well do it yourself. That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 1>How picky are you about the films you do? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do a lot of films? Um, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I turned out a lot, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a list of great films I've turned. You turned down.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of whether they're great or not. Do you turn

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<v Speaker 1>them down? Because for you, you always have the stand

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<v Speaker 1>up thing in your pocket and the concert thing in

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket. You're not in any hurry to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and make a living. Most movies suck, man, early suck

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<v Speaker 1>see I'm I'm messed up because I like to see

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<v Speaker 1>something I haven't seen or haven't seen what a black

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<v Speaker 1>person black people in film is still at its really

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<v Speaker 1>at its infant stage. And why do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know? You know what, here's the thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you hand a studio person of script, and sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>studio people are good at a time. When you hand

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<v Speaker 1>somebody a script, they pick a person in the movie

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<v Speaker 1>that they identify with. So if you hand a woman

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<v Speaker 1>of script, if the woman's got nine lives in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>the first person who gives your notes about is the woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you hand the boss the script, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>give you notes about the main character. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>hand his assistant the script is gonna give you notes

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<v Speaker 1>about some other everybody figures out who they are in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. Now, when you had somebody a black script,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't relate to anybody. Even it's a very good point,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serious, even when it's and when you have any

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<v Speaker 1>secontive who does relate to a black person's script, what

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean to you? You You struck gold Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's never really happened. They just they're making a product.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, That's what I've experienced. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you do that, because I mean, there's no black studios

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, so you end up you always end up

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<v Speaker 1>with just a person trying to make a piece of product.

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<v Speaker 1>They might as well, they might still be making an

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<v Speaker 1>eye paths kind of in the state of State chip business.

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<v Speaker 1>But you seem to me, because you're so smart and

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<v Speaker 1>so clever, that you have as much of a white

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<v Speaker 1>audience as you do with black audies, don't you think

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<v Speaker 1>so in spite of the fact your stand up can

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty tough on white people. Yeah, but I always

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<v Speaker 1>say my stand ups like Chinese food and what's Chinese food? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese food is one of the most popular foods in

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<v Speaker 1>all of America, and they don't put American ship on

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<v Speaker 1>their menus. People really want Chinese food. They don't put

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<v Speaker 1>ripe fries and cheese grilled cheese on the menu of

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<v Speaker 1>the most popular Restauranese food of people. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying when people see people come to Christ's restaurant, think

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas menu, they want Christmas menue. It's the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>tries to cross over that gets less white people, I find.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the appeal to you with a black

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<v Speaker 1>audience is how much you have fun with white et commentary?

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<v Speaker 1>Do think your black audience expects you to do that

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<v Speaker 1>when they come see you? They expect me to do it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I trying to say? First of all, all

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<v Speaker 1>the materials run by run through black. It's actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>run through black pission. Actually first is run through Jews.

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<v Speaker 1>I always work out the material in the West Palm Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Out here. I go to West Palm Beach and guess

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<v Speaker 1>what they show up. I play a little club, so

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<v Speaker 1>I figured, I'm in front of these people, they're a

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<v Speaker 1>little older. If I can get them to laugh at

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<v Speaker 1>this one. I came in front of the black people,

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna go zirk. And then I get in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the black people, make some adjustments here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is all before I put like the garden

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<v Speaker 1>or something on sale. So it's these two very different groups.

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<v Speaker 1>So working out in front of more from my conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Rock is coming up in a minute. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking with Chris Rock backstage at the Shaunfeld Theater

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<v Speaker 1>on Street. I'm sixty six man, which means you started

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<v Speaker 1>and you started. I started probably five seven years before

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<v Speaker 1>I got on S and O. But I always I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been you know, I haven't been poor day since

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<v Speaker 1>I met Laura Michaels. I never A lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>stuff sticks with me. What thing he said to me

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<v Speaker 1>is like everybody loses their first money. Now, if you're talented,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll make some. You said, that's right. He knows more

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<v Speaker 1>about Let's take a moment to talk about the wisdom

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<v Speaker 1>of Lord and Michael. He's always there to remind you

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<v Speaker 1>how you can lose perspective about this business, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in my case. He's very good. But how much of

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<v Speaker 1>things changed in your mind? And not just for you,

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<v Speaker 1>but for you specifically, but in the business. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about you. I find a business a lot smaller way,

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<v Speaker 1>less movies, less, I mean less stuff that relates to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Less stuff that relates to me. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say that for the young people. You know, this whole

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<v Speaker 1>reality thing, I'm not going to dismiss it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like I'm some old person talking about rap music.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna last, you know what I mean. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I don't get it. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd make it today if you came in today. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and SANEA, Well, that's our little tests with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>We kinda we assessed the stand ups. Yeah, we've still

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<v Speaker 1>got it. I still got it. Yeah. I keep the

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<v Speaker 1>wait off a little bit, you know. That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. Bon Jovi still doing it. Still doing it, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Just look hot. Just try to look hot to somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to lie. You still got you. Still

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<v Speaker 1>Look how many kids you have done to nine? Get

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<v Speaker 1>Ready nine and get Ready by seven? So what are

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<v Speaker 1>you worried about raising your kids in this world? I

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<v Speaker 1>care that they're good with money. I don't even care

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<v Speaker 1>if they're assholes. When I say good with money, I

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<v Speaker 1>just mean you've got two dollars and you spend one

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<v Speaker 1>and you put a dollar. But I don't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>they run Microsoft or they flip money and buy a house.

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<v Speaker 1>I just mean does that come from your childhood? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from my childhood. I just mean can they

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<v Speaker 1>handle their own? That's it? Because to get out it's

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<v Speaker 1>a tough hole. To get out of, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird hole for a pretty woman to get out of,

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<v Speaker 1>and they end up in relationships with guys they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have relationship with. There's a great line that Anthony Quinn

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<v Speaker 1>has in Lawrence Arabian where he says, I am a

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<v Speaker 1>river to my people. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of that. Now. Well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. You can only help. Like, I got

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<v Speaker 1>some family right now, guy whatever, losing his house, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna help him move into wherever he's gonna move into.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not buying his house because he's never gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to fold the house. So yeah, I my I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a river. But it's a little river. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>river because when you turn down somebody and they know

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<v Speaker 1>you have the money, this is one thing to go.

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<v Speaker 1>These kids are kicking my ass or whatever and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the money. They know you have the money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so it's almost like a woman. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>know you have vagina and you have sex, you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to have it with me. I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>used to do a movie and they say to mean

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever way, what would come back was, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the money. For that, And what they really

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<v Speaker 1>were saying was, we don't have the money for that

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<v Speaker 1>for you, For you, we don't we have the exactly

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<v Speaker 1>for Leo, we're gonna sell our houses because remember, for you,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have the money. And that's what you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>to people in your life is I don't have the

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<v Speaker 1>money for you. I don't have the money for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not going to be the reason I'm doing some

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<v Speaker 1>bad kung fu movie. I got one last question for you.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're home and you really want to relax, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you like to watch? Like, what's entertainment to you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's probably Woody just about any Woody. It's

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<v Speaker 1>me like, yeah, me too. I'm gonna go do his

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<v Speaker 1>new movie. I'm going I am a lucky baskets, so

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<v Speaker 1>lucky you don't want. One of the reasons I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>this play is like maybe what do you come? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you come? Maybe any Woody? Just about man? Mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>is this way? The average great filmmaker Great has about

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<v Speaker 1>four good movies. R wood he has about twelve like great,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he probably has about ten more really good finger.

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<v Speaker 1>I even like the new Ones hey Man match Point,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fine motion picture Vicky Christina. I can't. I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the dream, is to be in a Woody

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<v Speaker 1>that is really, really, honestly, and this is how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fair this world is. I love the guy, and here

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I don't have one temph to telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm off to Rome. I'm off to Rome. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to rub this in watch me even further. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>off to Rome to make a movie with Woody. And

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be here sweating your balls off in this steam room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the scene in the play Today where you

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<v Speaker 1>say to him you were looking at a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>her while I was tapping on the real You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be watching Woody and I'm gonna be tapping on the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing. I'll think we're both going to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not too late, of course, it's not too it

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<v Speaker 1>are you crazy? The entire time we were in Chris's

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<v Speaker 1>dressing room, a Woody Allen movie played on a TV

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<v Speaker 1>off to the side, muted. Are you're going to work

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<v Speaker 1>with Woody Fastard? Dude? I just want to hang on

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<v Speaker 1>a set. I just wanted, like what happens come to Roman.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be like, Chris, what are you doing? Here. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you know, Chris, When do you guys are in

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<v Speaker 1>the fall. We'll make it. Chris did eventually make it

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<v Speaker 1>to Rome, and he did have dinner with Woody Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>Best of all time. He never called me though. Huh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing.

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