1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: When I wrote that song about up tempo cool got 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, some drama in and stuff like that, but that 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know like that Christmas song would give me 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: fourteen years on the Road of Christmas Shows. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: Episode four sixty with Robert Earl Keane, a Texas country legend, 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: a Texas country giant. He put out a record called 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Western Chill back in June, but now they digitally released that, 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: but now non digitally like a hard copy. You can 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: get a CD or vinyl. There's also a ninety two 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: page graphic novel inspired by the album, so check it 11 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: out Western Chill. Robert Earl Keane thought it was super 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: cool that came over the house. He brought his guitar. 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: I thought he was going to play something, and I 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: was like, no pressure to play here, we don't want you, 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: and he was like, okay, cool, So he didn't play. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: But I always feel that people feel they need to 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: bring an instrument and play, which is not the case. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: They'll last sometimes like should I bring guitar? Should I 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: play something that we don't have to? We never want 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: any to feel like that, And I feel like he 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: would have for sure pulled out and started playing. But 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: I think we got what we were looking for, not 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 2: only with a really cool interview about his poetry, et cetera, 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: but when he started reciting just from memory, and I'm 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: not going to say what it is, there's a certain 26 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: part of history that he knows every single detail, to 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: my mind was blown. So, Robert Earl Keene, I hope 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: you enjoy this. I'll stop talking so you can hear 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: him here on the Bobby Cast. Do we do remote 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: covid like the show? 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: Like the show when when covid hit, did y'all do 32 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: some remote? 33 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: We at first, because you know, nobody was really allowed 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: to do anything, so we definitely and it sounded like garbage. 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: But if it wasn't for COVID, like Zoom, would not 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: be what it is. It wouldn't have given us the 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: ability to do so much more. Now, I agree, Yeah, 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: so yeah, but yeah, And I'm very familiar with the 39 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: podcast you've been doing it. I don't know if it's 40 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: five years though, Maricana Podcast. 41 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: Right, Mariicana Podcast? 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: What why did you start that podcast? 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Well, Claire was one kind of dragged me, kick in 44 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: and shrink screaming into it because I did a I 45 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: had done a serious XM show for a little while, 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: and I realized how much work it was, and I said, 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, this is a lot of work. We can 48 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: do this, We can do this. So, uh, I thought, well, 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that happens when you're like, 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, touring musician, is you really isolate yourself from 51 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: all the rest of the music. People think you see 52 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: music all the time, but you know, you every once 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: in a while you walk up the side the stage 54 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: and watch some man they players to watch the support act, 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: and I was just completely disconnected with the music of 56 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: the time. And I started thinking about that. I thought, well, 57 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: this is a good way for you know, to educate 58 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: myself about like what's going on. And so we started 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: and uh, it went pretty well right off the bat. 60 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: We've got to use the studios at Texas Monthly for 61 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: about two months and that was that was really good, 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: and people would want to want to go to Texas Monthly, 63 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, because it's just that that magazine. So we 64 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: had a we had a really good start, and then uh, 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: we just we just kept it going. We had some 66 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: bumps along along the way and bump, what's up? I mean, 67 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, like there's some time lags on things like 68 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: that and not being able to like hit it like 69 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: you know, every month or every two weeks or whatever 70 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: we had going on. 71 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: That's a big part of how hard it is to 72 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: do a podcast is consistently doing the podcast. You know, 73 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: with me, I'm doing the national radio show five days 74 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: a week, I'm doing this podcast once or twice a 75 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: week of a sports show. But of all of that, 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: it's not always creating content. It's like just being able 77 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: to be there and schedule and do right. 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, what did you learn? 79 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: Because again, you're somebody spent their entire career like writing 80 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: and creating, but now on a different mediu I'm like, 81 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: what'd you learn? Well? 82 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: I learned that I was too narcissisistic to ask a 83 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: lot of questions, So I better need to learn how 84 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: to listen to people and ask ask, you know, the 85 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: right questions. And also I started out with like, you know, 86 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: notes and notes and stuff, and then I realized that, 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, I would be looking in my notes and 88 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be looking listen, and so so I just 89 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: I finally just kind of threw the notes away and do, 90 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: like what we're doing here is just talk and you know, 91 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: sometimes you stumble in some real magic. Sometimes it's it 92 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: just goes on. But you can continue to do that 93 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: as much. I mean, you know, thank God for editing 94 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and things like that, you can just take out some 95 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: of those slow parts. 96 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: And also thank God for technology that you know, you 97 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: can get a kit and you can do a podcast 98 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: at a kitchen table. 99 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: Right. 100 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: No, it sounds good and as long as what you're 101 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: saying makes sense, people are still people are happy with it. 102 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's that is the thing is some of the 103 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: consistency about it. It's like not only just timing but 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: sound as well. 105 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: What'd you do today today? 106 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: I barely got up in the morning. 107 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: I think, have you had a whole because my expectation 108 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 2: with you, I lived in Austin for twelve thirteen years. 109 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: Did you really? Yeah? 110 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: So that to me is like my relationship with getting 111 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: to know you and knowing you while you didn't know me. 112 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: You know, that whole creepy fan thing. But I lived 113 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: in Austin for and you're part of the fabric there still, 114 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: and so I don't know your relationship with Nashville now, 115 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: so I would just expect when you're here you were 116 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: just like doing lots of press. 117 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: We filled up our day yesterday yesterday and then this 118 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: morning was really a catch up day. Was just trying 119 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: to see what else is in front of And we're 120 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: doing this you know show on Knoxville on Saturday at 121 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Theater. So the band and all those guys 122 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: are flying in to mar so we're just kind of 123 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: getting ready for them. 124 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: I mean to have a lot of stuff to talk 125 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: about that I've as you said, like, I made some 126 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: notes on stuff, but I don't always get to them 127 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: because I like to listen to what you're saying and 128 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: kind of go And you mentioned the band and without 129 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: notes if I mess up some of this, just to 130 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: correct me before you tell the story. But so I 131 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: have your the new project right a song called Waves. Okay, 132 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: one of your band members wrote this song, and it 133 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: feels to me from listening to you knowing you and 134 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: my Texas version, but then going and doing a bit 135 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: of a deeper dive, that you're you're very band oriented. 136 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: Even though it's your name up front, you're still very 137 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: much band oriented, which is not always the case. So 138 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: you have a member of your band that wrote that 139 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: song Waves, and it's on the record. I don't see 140 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: a lot of people doing that. 141 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Why that The point was, I wanted to do something 142 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: that was different than a lot of other people. And 143 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: I am very banded orient and really I've always paid. 144 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: They have a salary based on the amount of shows 145 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and stuff, and and we had insurance and retirement program 146 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: all the way back into the nineties, so I was. 147 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: And also when I got into this, when I started 148 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: getting into a band thing, Bobby, I listened to other 149 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: musicians at that part, I did listen to I listened 150 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: to other musicians and they would say, well, you know, 151 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: we don't ever get to play on the records, and 152 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: we you know, we get pushed aside. We get the 153 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: lousiest hotel rooms and stuff. And I thought, well, you know, 154 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: why can't you get those things? And then well, you 155 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: know people don't want to do that. Well, I mean 156 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: it's in some ways, it's just like a regular business. 157 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: And if people are crying for certain things that they 158 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: need or they feel like they need, then I saw 159 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: no reason that you couldn't go ahead and start it 160 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: that way. Fortunately I did start it that way, because 161 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: backing up and trying to catch up with it is 162 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: really difficult. Because then all of a sudden, you're counting 163 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: your pennies and stuff going. Yeah, So I was, so 164 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: we got to we got to the COVID thing, and 165 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: I kept everybody on Saturday and on insurance. And then 166 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: after about two months, I realized that we, you know, 167 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: we were all still well, and I have this place 168 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: out in the country, so I said, let's come on 169 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: out here and rehearse. So we rehearsed for a little while, 170 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: and then I had this lightning bolt moment when evening, 171 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: like when the sun was going down, the moon was 172 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: coming up and the stars all shining, and I wrote 173 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: this song Western Chill, and then I wrote four more 174 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: songs that same night that all fit in there. So 175 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: so when they came back the next time for the rehearsal, 176 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I said, here's what we're gonna do. We're going to 177 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: do this thing where we're going to do it's all 178 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: band inclusive. You guys bring your songs, I bring my songs. 179 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: We all sit around and jam like we were doing 180 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: like if we were on the porch or you know, 181 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: like just meeting each other and just jam. And so 182 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: they were going real skeptical. They were going, so like, 183 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: we bring our songs to you and then you learn 184 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: them and you sing them. I said, no, man, you 185 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: you sing them. We're doing them your way. You can. 186 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: You can produce this song anyway you want to do it. 187 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: But we're all in on this, and we're all gonna 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: talk about how to make this work, and it's all 189 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: going to be under this one umbrella, the Western Chill umbrella, 190 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully everything fits. And sure enough, I mean, you know, 191 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: the guys brought these songs. You know, all of them wrote, 192 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: and so they brought these songs that were just, you know, 193 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: just fit. I keep using this analogy. It was like 194 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: a giant jigsaw puzzle that every piece was really easy 195 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: to put in. You just got blunt and there you go, 196 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: and here's a jigsaw puzzle. So we put it all together. 197 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: There was only one outlier. The bass player writes a 198 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: lot of songs, and he he was the biggest basketball 199 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: fan in the world, I mean huge, just basketball all 200 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: the time. That's all he thinks about other than music. 201 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: Here's music, here's basketball. So uh so he says, I think, 202 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, you might not like this one. This 203 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: is this is not really that Western Hill, But I 204 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: think we can make it that way, and he wrote 205 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: he sang me a song called why Why because yeah, 206 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: Leonard left the Spurs, and yes, yes, it was like why. 207 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: And after he finished, I said Bill that that's a 208 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: really great song, but I don't really feel like it 209 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: fits the format. 210 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: Hilarious, what a funny name to why like a sad song? 211 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was broken hearted. 212 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: Did you have any mentors when you were a young 213 00:09:58,679 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: writer artist? 214 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: Uh? You know, Guy Clark helped me out some. I mean, 215 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: a guy was kind of late to the party. But 216 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: as far as that goes, because I went and toured 217 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: for Guy in Town for about on and off for 218 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: about eighteen months, and it was it was really good. 219 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: So I got to see them and get that that. 220 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: But a guy was always a little skeptical of like 221 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: what I was doing, which is kind of just always 222 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the way it is anyway, but uh, you know, and 223 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: then one day he just was like, man, that song 224 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: and that song, that song, I'm gonna take you around 225 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: and he took me around to some different publishers and 226 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: he got me to play some stuff for people and 227 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So yes, definitely him. There was a 228 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: guy that I was in a play with called oddly enough, 229 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: back when I lived in Austin called Nashville Road. So 230 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: I was Jasper Joe Douglas, the singing dishwasher in this. 231 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: And the guy who was the prologue to that was 232 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: a guy named j. D. Hutchess, and he was from 233 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Barnesville High and he and and JD probably had more 234 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: influence on me anybody, because he was just a hillbilly genius, 235 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, just one of these guys that just soaked 236 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: up all this information. Was brilliant, could do anything, any 237 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of art, he could play any kind of instrument 238 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: and uh so he lived with he was not he 239 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: was terrible with money. So he lived with me for 240 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: about a year. We lived together, and he was really 241 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, instrumental and just like at writing songs and 242 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: just you know and taking time off and the whole thing. 243 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Was just a really wonderful human being. So I'd say 244 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: that would be He wasn't really He had a band 245 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: called the Hutcheson Brothers when out of California, like in 246 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: the early seventies, but didn't have much luck. Anyway, he 247 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: was a great guy and he and he taught me 248 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: a lot. 249 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: Did you do you find that any of the artists 250 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: now use you as that kind of mentor or have 251 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: used you as that because they looked up to you 252 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: and then you you did kind of a guy did 253 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: like you showed an appreciation for the works. They felt 254 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: like they could lean on you a little bit. 255 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I have some good connections with the UH, specifically 256 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: that the UH, the Texas artists like Cody Canada and 257 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: UH say, Randy Rodgers and I made a record together. 258 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: It was kind of a disaster, but we still made 259 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: a record together. And then it was under the Striker Brothers. 260 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: It was like some kind of we made up this 261 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: big yarn about how we were in prison and nobody 262 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: knew where these tapes were, and we found these tapes. 263 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: It just all fell apart because everybody knew who the 264 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: hell we're who were as soon as we opened our mouths, 265 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,119 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you could hear it, right. So 266 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: that was the deal. And then but I get on 267 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, people asked me to be on part of 268 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: their deal, and so I'm connected with that. But I'm 269 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: really connected with the Nashville thing as well, because I've 270 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: been part of BMI for like, I don't know, twenty 271 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: five years, and I always go to the songwriters thing 272 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: down there in Key West. We just got back from 273 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: that a few weeks ago. And they used to have 274 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: a thing called Country and the Rockies that I did. 275 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: So I know a lot of songwriters here and I've 276 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: written with a lot of them. And also had a 277 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: deal a few years ago where I just had a 278 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: little publishing deal where they people to me that they 279 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: knew really liked my stuff, you know that, like Brent 280 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Cobb or somebody like that, and and just you know, 281 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: lots lots of different people, uh we and I wrote 282 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: some really good songs with them. So I got a 283 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: really good connection all the way through there. And people 284 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: do and I do. I find that people will track 285 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: me down. 286 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: What was the first version of your writings poetry was 287 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: the short stories, like even as a kid poetry. 288 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: I started writing poetry when I was about eight years old, 289 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: and I wasn't ever a good student, but like when 290 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: you had poetry week in like elementary school or in 291 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: middle school, all of a sudden I got thrown to 292 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: the head of the class because it was like, you know, 293 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: I could write really solid poetry and my poems would 294 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: be in the hallway. They'd put them up and stuff, 295 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: and then I'd ended up in these like ap English classes. 296 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Well I was I only wrote the poetry was really 297 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: really good. My prose is terrible, so so i'd be 298 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: I'd be under water, you know, with these classes they 299 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: put me in. But the poetry was one of those 300 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: things that just came, you know, it just came to me. 301 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: It was a gift. 302 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: How were you exposed to any sort of literature or 303 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: poetry to be doing that at eight? 304 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: My mother read all the time. My mother, my mother 305 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: sat on the couch. She'd get up out of the 306 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: bed about midnight. She'd go sit on the couch and 307 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: read till about four o'clock in the morning and sleep 308 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: another two hours and then go to work. And uh 309 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,119 Speaker 1: she she used to pay me a quarter to memorize poems, 310 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, And so so I memorize these poems and 311 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: and consequently I just I also I found I had 312 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: some teachers four fifth grade, sixth grade that found out 313 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: that I like to read. So they would point me 314 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: to some books that had more substance, you know, you know, 315 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: not just Therinkle in Time or something, but you know, 316 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: something substance. And I just devoured those. Those were those 317 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: were great. So you know, the written word to me 318 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: is is a standard bearer for every thing that we do. 319 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: It just you you know, you need precision, you need clarity. 320 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: That's how you get it. 321 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: So there was a literature background in your house because 322 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: your mom was a reader. What was your mom and dad? 323 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: Were they still together? And what did your dad do? 324 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: My dad was an engineer. 325 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So when did you get when did music become 326 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: part of something you could stick with the poetry? What 327 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: age did that start happening? 328 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: About eighteen? 329 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: Did you have music in your house consistently. 330 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Well, other than records? My mom loved country music. 331 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, and who does she listen to when you 332 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: think back? 333 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: She loved Roy Acuff and like those people from the forties, 334 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, even even Bill Monroe and Joe Grass stuff 335 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: then yeah, and Jimmy Rodgers, you know, the father country music. 336 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: Who you know whose last house was in Cerville, Texas 337 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: where I live, you know. 338 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: So the bluegrass like flattened scrugs, you know, and their 339 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: body work. I know, I would say a decent amount 340 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: of it, but I think people would mostly know it 341 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: in the in the popular vein as the Beverly Hillbillies, 342 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: oh yeah, you know the song. 343 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 344 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: So but what was your relationship with bluegrass and did 345 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: you flat scrugg Was that for you? 346 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: No? 347 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Bluegrass came when I went to A and M. So 348 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: I was so so I started playing when I was 349 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: when I got to A and M when I was eighteen, 350 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: and uh so what I what ended up happening was 351 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: I learned some country songs by myself, and then I 352 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: just started filtering into some people that played music, and 353 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: in general, it was all acoustic. It was all about 354 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: it was all just about like singing bluegrass or gospel 355 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: or something like that. And we really did have this 356 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: porch out there on Church Street. It was a block 357 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: off the campus, so people came and parked there, and 358 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: then there are a lot of musicians that came there 359 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: and they would say, well can I jam with you? 360 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: And they'd come over there and jam. So all that 361 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: bluegrass just kind of came to me almost because I 362 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: was you know, I knew, you know, Rocky Top or 363 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: something like that, but but all that bluegrass, and then 364 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I got to be just a huge fan of bluegrass. 365 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: I was. 366 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: I was a huge fan of Normal Blake, whom hardly 367 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: anybody knows but the fact was is he kind of 368 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: put it all together because he was a great, great 369 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: flat picker and he wrote a lot of songs. You know, 370 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: do you. 371 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: Feel like it made you a better musician instrumentalist to 372 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: have to learn bluegrass? That is a very difficult type 373 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: of music to have to just keep up with. 374 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: Very difficult and I and I'm not and I wasn't 375 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: built for it. I'm too slow. But I want to say, 376 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: he used to you know, you got you got all 377 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: this good, great technology now. But the fact is, it's 378 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: like I used to put my foot on the LP 379 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: like this and slow it down so I could so 380 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: I could learn that the notes, and I just got 381 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: dandy down down like that kind of thing. And I 382 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: just never could get that, like, you know, that lightning 383 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: speed that people had. But so I got to be 384 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: a pretty good rhythm guitar player. And regardless of what, 385 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: you know, where my voice sits in the world, Uh, 386 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I you know, I lyrically, I can sing almost any 387 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: song without like they get about it too much. 388 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: You know, where did you get your first guitar? 389 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: My first guitar came from my sister. Uh. When I 390 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: went to a and M I found out that I was, 391 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, not the student that I thought I was, 392 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: and I was struggling. I was also really bored, and 393 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: I went back home. I don't know, Ma'm thought drug 394 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: got into A and M and H and there was 395 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: this old Alvarez classical guitar is all kind of beat up, 396 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: and that was my sister's guitar. So I thought, well, 397 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe I can figure this out. So I went and 398 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: strung it up. Got this book that's called the Ten 399 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: Greatest Country Songs in America, and I wrote and I 400 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: learned nine of them because one of them was the 401 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: Happiest Girl in the Whole USA by Donald Fargo. So 402 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: I didn't think that fit in my repertoire. Actually, you 403 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: know today it might be kind of fun to do 404 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: so anyway, so I learned those songs, and like I said, 405 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and then I kind of filtered into with these other people. 406 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: And then we made this band, you know, the Front 407 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: Porch Boys, and we had we had so many different 408 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: people come in and out of that band. It was 409 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: like American Aquarium or something. It's like a lot of 410 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: people of people come in and out of that band. 411 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: With like you talk about poetry and your mom saying, hey, 412 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: let's memorize some poems. And then you being around even 413 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: just being around bluegrass musicians, you have to elevate a bit, 414 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: but you just hang right. Sure, those two things together, 415 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: it feels like that was the can you memorize anything? 416 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 2: By the way, did that was that really good for 417 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: your brain at that age to memorize poems? Did it 418 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: help you later? And then just hearing your music over time, 419 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: like I can feel a bit of bluegrass influence. Even 420 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: if you're going I don't play as fast, I can 421 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: still feel a bit of it. I feel like those 422 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: two factors, which you really had no control over, your 423 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: mom saying please memorize poetry and you being exposed to 424 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: bluegrass really influenced the artist that you are. Absolutely the 425 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: fact you can memorize that is such a valuable great 426 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: to have. 427 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's it is good and it's and it's one 428 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: of those things that it's helpful in a lot of ways, 429 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: Like I re memberiz soliloquies from Shakespeare and when I'm going 430 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: to when I'm going to sleep, when I can't go 431 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: to sleep, I just start going. Now is the winter 432 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: of I just continue to make the door summer mother 433 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: and I just keep doing it and then I'll fall asleep. 434 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: You know, that's your What I do is I just 435 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: go through and the list my favorite Arkansas football players. 436 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: I'll literally count them down. Do you do Shakespeare? I 437 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: do like nineties football. Are you an A and M 438 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: sports guy at all? 439 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: I don't do much sports, but I am part of 440 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: the A and M system. I'm big in the Association 441 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: of Former Students. 442 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw you got the big, big award there. 443 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: They've only given that away to like have a certain few. 444 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 445 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 2: Do you feel like when did you speak at that 446 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: when they give you the award? 447 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: H huh? 448 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you have to? Like I don't know, 449 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: because that when I did it, I felt like I 450 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: had to be a little more proper than I normally am. 451 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Definitely, did you Yeah, Yeah, you're kind of under the gun. 452 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: Even if you want to go I want to be 453 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: the coolest dude in the room, it kind of you 454 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: have to shave that back a little bit. Yeah. I 455 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: felt that. 456 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't really like to be me, 457 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: but if I'm just me, that's cool in all, but 458 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: like I need to elevate it a bit. Yeah, you know, 459 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: you have this songbook to play a long book. The 460 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: songbook that's that's in this project. It just makes me 461 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: think of that when you say that that's how you started. Yeah, 462 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: as you bought a book book. Yeah, I bought a 463 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: book to teach you how to play well. 464 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not I'm not real adventurous about going to 465 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: track people now and get them to show me something. 466 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: So I'm much more of a reader than a like 467 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: a communicator. 468 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: What's your relationship with Nashville and has it changed over 469 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: the last three decades. Uh? 470 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: What has changed is when I first we lived here 471 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: eighty five eighty seven, and when I came here, I 472 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: was just frightened to death. I didn't know what I 473 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: was doing. I didn't have really any connections. I was 474 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: like a zero there and always had this kind of 475 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, rumbling in my stomach when I just drove 476 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: it in because it would I'm not I'm not big 477 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: on anxiety, but I guess that's what I was experiencing 478 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, and I had and I had 479 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: a hard time getting in the whole. I didn't even 480 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: really get in this system. We finally left but but 481 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: but it was but after that, I used to say, like, 482 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes I can get out there on 483 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: the road and just be killing it and doing really 484 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: great shows, and I come to Nashville and I feel 485 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: like Superman landing on the planet Krypton, and all of 486 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, all my strengths starts sinking away. And but lately, 487 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: in the last year or so, since I since I've 488 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: made my exit and thinking more about like doing that, 489 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: that's all gone away. I'm really I'm like, is this 490 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: the happiest I've ever been being in Nashville? 491 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: Why do you feel that is? Are you limiting some 492 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: of the Ah, it's not even an expectation. Are you? 493 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: But are you are? 494 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter as much too, because you know who 495 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: you are. You're comfortable with your your art now more 496 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: than ever. 497 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, That's that's really the most That's the biggest 498 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: part of it is because if I wouldn't, if I 499 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: really gave a damn about all all of this, really 500 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: or really sensitive, I would have gotten out a long 501 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: time ago. But I'm pretty bull and I you know, 502 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: I do believe in myself, and now I got to 503 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: a point where, you know, you know, I've done all 504 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: these things and I'm still an outlier. But man, it's 505 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: totally okay because I like being an outlier. I like 506 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: I like doing stuff. It gives me a freedom to 507 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: write whatever I want to write, do whatever I really 508 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: want to do. And sometimes, you know, I get like 509 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: the big forbidden zoned from some people because they just 510 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: they liked, you know, the conventional. But in general, people have, 511 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, opened up their doors to me. I've got 512 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: lots of lots of ways that i can get around 513 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: doors if I can, if I get in. 514 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 515 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 516 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: When you were going to college, what was your idea 517 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: of what you would be doing with your life before 518 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: music happened. 519 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I really just went. You know, 520 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: it's like I didn't have a real plan as a 521 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: matter of fact. The way then I went to A 522 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: and E. M like, So I'm driving around with my 523 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: friend Duckworth's rest red nineteen seventy two Maverick and with 524 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: the plaid seats and everything, and he's turning the corner 525 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: and he's got a big old folders can full of 526 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: snuff spit and just about that time, I said, where 527 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: are you going to go to college? He goes, I'm 528 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: going to go to A and M and he whips 529 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: it around and the whole thing spills over my laugh 530 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: and I'm going Jesus. I said, okay, well I think 531 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: I'll go. I think I'll go there. I don't know 532 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: what that bit, but it was like exactly what happened. 533 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: I was a sign. Yeah, it was like a jippit. 534 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 535 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: How long were you there before he left? 536 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: I was there a good six years, you know, easy 537 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: in college station. Well, I got kicked out twice. So 538 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: one time, one time I had to go back to Blynn, 539 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: which people junior college are h yeah, they call Blendergarden 540 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: a lot of times. And I always told him when 541 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I graduated from Blynn, I got a T shirts that 542 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: says ignorance is Blenn, you know. So I was like, 543 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: I had this old joke thing going about Blynn. But 544 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: I got kicked out and went to Blen. So that 545 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: was That was in Brian. But the next time I 546 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: roughnecked every summer summer on ol Riggs. And so when 547 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I got kicked out the second time, I just went 548 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: back to orig and I worked for about six months 549 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: and got my money back and then went and begged 550 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: them to let me back in. I mean I literally 551 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: literally gave this counselor one hundred dollars bill and a 552 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: bottle of Jack Danielson said let me in back in 553 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: this place please, and they let me in. So I 554 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: don't know if that that made a difference. 555 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: It didn't hurt though, it did not if you didn't 556 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: get it back then it didn't hurt. 557 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's good. 558 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of alternative country to me, at least 559 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 2: that's what I felt like, like, like not even an 560 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: alt defined alt country, because there's a version, there's a 561 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: real life version of that. I'm make an old country, right. 562 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: It always felt like you weren't purposefully you weren't out 563 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: like I'm going to be different. It was almost like 564 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: you're different and you wanted to do what you wanted 565 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: to do. It just so happened to be different, Like 566 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: I feel like you were purposely fighting the stream, but 567 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: I felt like you were just going down your own stream. 568 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: When did you feel like that that was the way 569 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: to do it, because most people are just going to 570 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: go along and try to do what is being done 571 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: so they can be successful. What was your point where 572 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 2: you go. I just have to be me or I'm 573 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: not gonna make it. 574 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about the third time somebody said I 575 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: can do it, right, Yeah right? Tell me when when first? 576 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 2: Why would they say that? Though, like what we do, 577 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 2: I don't know. 578 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: I would play on my song and they kind of 579 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: shake their head. And I had when I first got 580 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: here back in eighty five, they, you know, I had 581 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: people tell me the best advice I can give you 582 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: is just go back to Texas and do whatever you're doing. 583 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, that's not what I'm here for. 584 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm here for something else I want, you know. So 585 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I just wouldn't listen to them, you know, 586 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: just and like I said, I don't know why. I'm 587 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: pretty sensitive about that, but I I this was my thing. 588 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it, and I and I, you know, 589 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: I believe in myself and i'd stick and I stick 590 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: with it. And I'm big on commitment, like you know, 591 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about the band earlier and stuff. I'm big 592 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: on commitment of saying, am I going to do this? 593 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. And sometimes it might take 594 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: a few years to get it done, but I keep going. 595 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: You've mentioned something that I is a parallel to that. 596 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: Something within me is I'm extremely bullheaded and confident and 597 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: at the same time I am wildly sensitive about things too. 598 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: It's an odd juxt position like that, right, It's like, 599 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 2: if you're creating, it's weird to go, I'm creating this, 600 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: yet I'm not gonna be sensitive about what anybody says 601 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: about that just doesn't like how do you balance that? 602 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: How do you stay out of your own head and 603 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 2: have more of the push forward than that? I don't know. 604 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: I'm pretty neurotic. That's what I deal with. 605 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: No, No, I agree. I struggle with that all the time, 606 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, because uh, you know, you live your life 607 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: and you do find out that you make some really 608 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: bad decisions at times. You're but that that's not this 609 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: is not a bad decision, but bottom line, you know, 610 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: going back to it's it's the word, you know, It's like, 611 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: it's the bottom line. I can still just back up 612 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: and memorize my soliloquies and write more poems and things 613 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: like that. I haven't really I wrote a song the 614 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: other day and it's the first song I wrote about 615 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: a year. But in that period of time, I've written 616 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: a hundred poems. 617 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: And where do you write them by hand on paper? 618 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Or do I write them on my phone? This is 619 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: because I'm too bad with paper, I'll lose it all. 620 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: And so I got where I just trained myself. Okay, 621 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to do this on my phone. So I've 622 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: got them all on my phone. There there's a few 623 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: on paper, but in general they're all. 624 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: Is most of your songwriting, taking your poetry and turning 625 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: it into song or or not. You're just writing songs straight. 626 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: The thing about poetry and the reason that I turned 627 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: to is because I just I have to have that outlet, 628 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: I have to have that great about it. So I 629 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: wrote the poems. But I found out that there's this 630 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: great freedom in writing a poem instead of like trying 631 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: to attach some music to it, and so it gives me. 632 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: It liberates me even more so because I can just 633 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: talk about anything. I mean, like a good example was 634 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: I wrote this poem about I was out by this 635 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: lake and people kept telling me about this giant alligator 636 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: gar that wasn't supposed to be in this lake, but 637 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: somebody had slipped it in there at the nighttime, and 638 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: that like it was eating up all the little fish 639 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: and you had to be really careful, like it was 640 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: the Boogeyman. And so I just turned this thing into 641 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: this big thing about this lake and this alligator guard 642 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: at the bottom leke, and then basically you get down 643 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: there and it's the devil. So just like you know, 644 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: you can't cram that all of the song, really, I 645 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: mean you could, I guess Charlie Daniels could maybe. 646 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: But do your poems have to rhyme? 647 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: No? 648 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: Do most of them rhyme? 649 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: Most of them? Probably? 650 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like those. I'm simple. Yeah, I like my 651 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 5: poems rhyme. Well, I think it makes it went back 652 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 5: to memorization. I think it makes it easier for another 653 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 5: person outside or memorize them or really get the whole point, 654 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 5: because when you do free form, you know, it's a 655 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: lot of times it turns into the laundry list and 656 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,239 Speaker 5: you don't really do that. 657 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: Do you ever go to rhymezone dot com and you 658 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: can't find that rhyme? 659 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've done that. Yeah, sure, I've got. 660 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: To rhyme zone dot com. Be like cat and then 661 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: it's got like five hundred dat nat sad, And I'm like, 662 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: what can I fit it because if I'm writing like 663 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: a comedy song and I'm like, well I need something 664 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: in the rhymes a bucket and I can't use the 665 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: one I want. 666 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: To do, I have one of those. So I did 667 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: I have a song that's called that. 668 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, how many people do you 669 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: think found you? Learned you from the Road goes On Forever? 670 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: Wait a percentage? That's how I found you. The live version, 671 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: which I didn't know was like also the main version. 672 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: I was like, and this, dude, and I think I 673 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: saw you at a cl like like I have a history. 674 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: I have a history of like watching you play and 675 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: listen to your music. But I was like, dang, those 676 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: live records are this good? But then that was the 677 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: version when you recorded that? Or did you know that? 678 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: Did you have a feeling that that song was gonna 679 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: be the one that pop so hard? 680 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: It's a really good question about it, because I really 681 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I can't assist my own songs early very well. 682 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean when I wrote that song, I thought, you know, 683 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: there's up tempo, cool, got you know, some drama in 684 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I didn't know do that. 685 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know like that Christmas song would like give 686 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: me fourteen years on the road of Christmas shows I had. 687 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time. And I'll say this 688 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: by contrast, there are songs that I think are really 689 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: great and they never catch fire. People know, they don't 690 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: hear them. But I love them and I think they're great, 691 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: and I keep doggedly trying to go, you're gonna like 692 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: this song if you listen to it, but it just 693 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So I don't really have any idea of 694 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: what really is a hit. For some reason. 695 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: Do you have songs that were poems that you were like, 696 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: I got to turn this now into a song? 697 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: Uh, something like that. One time, I did the exercise 698 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: where I wanted to write a song that had absolutely 699 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: no rhyme at all at all, So I really pretty 700 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: much wrote it as a poem and then but the 701 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: end goal was to make it in the song, so 702 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: then I then I added the music, so that was 703 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: that's about. 704 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: But nothing rhyme the whole song. 705 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Nothing. 706 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: How'd that do? 707 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: It's great, It's fantastic. As a matter of fact, I 708 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: got this guy, guy Baptiste Homan from France to sing 709 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: it in French while I while I narrated it in 710 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: English with the music and he's you know, that great 711 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: French thing. It's just it makes it so sexy when 712 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: he sings it, you know, and I'm under there, you know, 713 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: with this under and the girl did this and this, 714 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: and it's so fantastic. So yeah, it was. It was 715 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: I've never really played for anybody. It's just somewhere and 716 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: you have it. 717 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: Because I didn't know what you said. 718 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: I I just I never number one I wanted to 719 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: do with it. I just it's kind of it kind 720 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: of doesn't fit unless you were like this, do some 721 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: kind of deep cutstick. But it's beautiful. 722 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: The I have the box set, so I have the 723 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: whole the whole thing beautifully packaged. Yes, a lot of 724 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: different things. There's a DVD, there's a song book. I 725 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: was talking, there's just a lot. There's a lot there. 726 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: Why that it started, it just became that. It was 727 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: like we started with just music and recording, and we 728 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: did record the DVD at the same time we recorded 729 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: the audio, so that all matches, uh, And after that, 730 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was like, well, we've got to have 731 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: a songbook because this is all new content and people 732 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: should see that. So we did the song, but and 733 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: then I think Clara Roa started talking about like somebody 734 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: was doing a graphic novel, and I said, well, that 735 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: would be fun to do. So we started to get 736 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: into that, and that was the one that nearly killed 737 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: us because I never that's it's a lot of work. 738 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 2: A lot of work, a lot of people drawing of it. 739 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't, you know, I didn't draw that. I 740 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: hired that out. But I managed the whole thing, in 741 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: the storyline and everything. But I even had to get 742 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: a guy, a dialogue guy to write the dialogue because 743 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: because I couldn't be as I wasn't as clever as 744 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: this guy was. He was really clever. So I got 745 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: so I had the storyline, the whole visual concept, but 746 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: I had to get that somebody I can't draw that well, 747 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: So no. 748 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: I get that I wrote a kid's book and I 749 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: can't draw it all. And you know, you have to 750 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 2: go and find somebody who kind of represents what your 751 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 2: texture is, which is a hard thing to do. I 752 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 2: would say it would be as if you were an artist, 753 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 2: and not talking about you, but any artist who writes 754 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: songs but finds a song that they didn't write but 755 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: still speaks for them like that's rare that that can 756 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: actually happen. But I have friends are really great songwriters, but 757 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: sometimes there's a song that pops into their world that 758 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: they didn't write, and they're like, this represents who I 759 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: am and it's odd. And I felt that way with 760 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: finding somebody who to draw my words and thoughts. Sure 761 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: that this person has to draw what I'm feeling and 762 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 2: how what I'm saying, And that was a more difficult 763 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: process than I would have thought. 764 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's grabbing that feeling. That's that's that's the magic. 765 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: There. You're going and you're doing more shows, but you're 766 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: not retired. I guess I never thought you were retired. 767 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: Well, I retired. I'm retired really from touring. So I 768 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: don't have a bus. The band that I put together 769 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: is the same band that I have, but it's just 770 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: because I was. It's going incidentally, they were. It was 771 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm lucky that they still have some space in the calendar. 772 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: And then but you know, the thing is was the 773 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: the grind of touring, you know, just getting off a 774 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: tour and then preparing for the next tour and never stopped. 775 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 1: It never did stop. I mean, it's just like, kept going, 776 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: kept going, and I just got to a point where 777 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: I thought I was wearing everybody out. So I didn't 778 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: think in terms about like this taking a year off, 779 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of thing. I always wondered 780 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: why those people take a year off. They're like twenty 781 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: five years old and they said, no, I'm going to 782 00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: take a year. OFFICE said, that's because you don't have 783 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: any man. Don't tell me that. I mean, you don't 784 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: have to take a year off. But I don't know why. 785 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: That didn't really cross my mind. I just thought at 786 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: that time, and I did feel a certain amount of 787 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: burnout going on with me. I just felt like I 788 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: was blazing through a lot of stuff. I wasn't really 789 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: phoning it in, but I was. I was. I was 790 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: definitely a little bit muddled, and I really felt like 791 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: I was losing and I did not want which is 792 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: the irony ears like, I'm still beat up, but I 793 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: did not want to be one of those people that 794 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: are all beat up and you know they're pushing them 795 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: up on the stage or getting the ladder for them 796 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: or whatever they're doing. I wanted to go in the 797 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: best I could go out, but well, I came in, 798 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that was really part. That was a 799 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: big part of the decision. 800 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: Are you looking forward to the shows? Yeah, like with 801 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: genuine excitement. That's cool. Did you get to revisit that 802 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 2: feeling that got you started, made you successful and gave 803 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: you longevity? Because it does it doesn't go away. But 804 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 2: if you eat wonderful steak every day, it eventually just 805 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 2: becomes steak. It doesn't matter what it is. If you 806 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: do it all the time. 807 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: It just becomes normal, right sir. 808 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: But to be able to get that again has got 809 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: to be exciting. 810 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: No, it's really good. It's you know, I'm so glad 811 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: that I did kind of get off my high horse 812 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: about I'm not going to do anything because the couple 813 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: of shows that I've played since we did this had 814 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: just been you know, they've been in this huge boost. 815 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: And I also realized that there was a certain amount 816 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: of just adrenaline going on there that like as soon 817 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: as like it got two days or two days before 818 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: a show and or day a couple of day after 819 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: is always kind of a little bit of a letdown. 820 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: But up to the show, I just got this huge 821 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: boost and I feel better than I ever felt like 822 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: two years, you know, like, oh man, I feel so good, 823 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: And it was all just because it's like I know 824 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. This is a place where I know 825 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: what I'm doing and I'm gonna and I'm ready to 826 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: go with it. You know. 827 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 2: So you ever say the wrong place on stage? 828 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? Yeah? 829 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: Did you ever start? When did you start writing it? 830 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: When I would tour, I'd have to write it like 831 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: I do comedy, stand up comedy. After eventually I got 832 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: smart and wrote it down, because you know, two or 833 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 2: three nights in a row you're traveling, you kind of forget. 834 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: You're just going on back doors and places you can 835 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: easily forget. When was that? When did that bill go off? 836 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: For you? Like, I should probably keep this around where. 837 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: I can see where I am, somewhere in ann Arbor. 838 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: I was in ann Arbor and I got up and 839 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: it was just kind of a showcase Steve Neil and 840 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: I got up there and I said something like, you know, 841 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: hello Gary, Indiana, and I just as you can't do 842 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: that again. But I don't write it down like you do, Bobby. 843 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: What what I do is like if I realize that 844 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna blank out my brain, I just go, but 845 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: it's great to be here. 846 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: General. 847 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, Vegas, Vegas. That could possibly be. 848 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I obviously I'm not the one that invented this, 849 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: but I would put it on the set list. But 850 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 2: then I would make it like part of the set list, 851 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 2: so if whenever somebody got the set list, they would 852 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 2: think I was making it special. Yeah, you know, if 853 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm in Boston, wow, this is his dot. No, I 854 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 2: just need to remember that I was in Boston because again, 855 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: and you would know this more than I do, it's 856 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 2: not it's fun and it's amazing in it For me, 857 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: it's fulfilling, but it's not that glamorous because again you're 858 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: just going on back doors and you're killing a few 859 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 2: hours in between soundcheck and the show in a bus 860 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 2: or and not a lot of glamour, not a lot 861 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 2: of people. You know, people, it's a grind. 862 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: No, I tell people. You know, you that bus there, 863 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: you think it's like luxurious and cool, and it does 864 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: look nice inside, but basically it's a traderhouse on wheels 865 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: and there we're just rolling down the highway in a traderhouse. 866 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: So don't don't get all knocked out about the whole idea. 867 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it is fine. But anything you're in 868 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 2: all the time also is like that steak. 869 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 870 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 2: And the first night back in a bus because the 871 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: touring for me is like country touring. Uh, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, 872 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 2: the first night back in the bus anytime, and I'm 873 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: in a bed and they hit the road. The side wrote, 874 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 2: I never sleep well the first time rumbull strip scare 875 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: the crap out of me. Can you sleep on a bus? 876 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: On and off? I'm not always good. I'm not one 877 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: of those guys that just like, oh now I can sleep. 878 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: There's people that can't sleep in real life and they 879 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: can sleep on a bus. 880 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 881 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 3: Bobby Cast. 882 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: Do you have anything from any other friends or contemporaries 883 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 2: that they like, Hey, I want you to have this 884 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 2: hat or this guitar or something special to you that 885 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 2: you've you've kept either at your house or anything like 886 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: any memorabilia type stuff. 887 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: I got a hat from just being at hats. I 888 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: got a hat from Bill Herne, who's out in Santa 889 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: Fe and he's a long time musician. He's been like 890 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: he plays at the Lafonda and these little hotel rooms 891 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: and stuff, and he has he has about one percent 892 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: sight born like that right. But he's a great singer, 893 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: a great, great flat picker. And I've been friends with 894 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: him a long time. And he gave me a hat 895 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: with a it's a it's a what they the crease 896 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: would be. They call it a gus. I used to 897 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: call it atom mix. But it's creased down this way 898 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: and goes slopes down forward, and it has this big 899 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: band around it and it has all these little icons 900 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: of stuff, you know, there's the road goes on forever 901 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: and and Christmas stuff and it's about that. Why it's 902 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful hat. So that's that's when I like, you know, 903 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: I keep up there right on my dresser. So it 904 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: reminds me, like, you know, I got some really good 905 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: friends out there, and this music that's cool there. 906 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 2: What do you what do you do? What do you 907 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 2: have that is non musically or art related at all? 908 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: That it's kind of a safe place or a disconnect? 909 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 2: Is it fishing? Is it? 910 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: Oh? 911 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 2: I q Q dogs? 912 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: I know I have a great dog. I've wrote his 913 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: English Cocker Spaniel and uh I've been working like last 914 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: year with a trainer training him and even uh the 915 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: trainer had to move from Lakey, Texas to Kansas, and 916 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: I even took him up to Kansas and stayed stayed 917 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: a while with his family, and uh, you know, he 918 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: showed me a lot of the things that he does. 919 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: And I always thought the whole dog thing would be 920 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: just a huge pain in the ascid. It is really 921 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: hard and a lot of work, but it's kind of 922 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: worked that's really satisfying. And like like I say, I 923 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: got this really great dog and he's he was born 924 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,479 Speaker 1: to find birds. I mean, he's our here. He came 925 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: fully fully equipped except for just the fundamentals about sid 926 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: stay and hear that kind of thing. 927 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 2: But we had good bird dogs. We had a great 928 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: quell dog. There were point for it felt like hours. Yeah, 929 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,959 Speaker 2: just point he'd identified them. Yeah and just hold just whole. 930 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how people get those dogs to do that. 931 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 2: And we had a couple that weren't as good, but 932 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 2: that was like the so everything was always compared to him. 933 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 2: And then we had a great duck dog and duck dogs. Yeah, 934 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 2: I don't want to get wet, you know, lab black 935 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: lab like identify before I even hit I did it, 936 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 2: gone boom, bring it back before we could actually fight 937 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 2: about who shot it, because you know, everybody, everybody shooting up. 938 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, we had really those two dogs. But all 939 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 2: of their discipline, you know, obviously translated into like their 940 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 2: normal life. They were great freaking dogs. 941 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, no, no, that yeah, they're all around 942 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: great dogs. I mean, you know, I had some labs, 943 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: but and and I had one English Cocker spander. He 944 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: could care less about a bird, but he's a beautiful 945 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: dog and a nice dog. But uh then I got Roady, 946 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: and Roady's he's all of it. He's he's a great dog. 947 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I got so sick about 948 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: a year and a half ago that I just thought 949 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna be a bit. And I give him 950 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: credit for saving my life because he would I would 951 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: be out there by myself and he would come and 952 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: just lay with me, and then like when I'd fall asleep, 953 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: he'd run out and chase the cats for a while 954 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: or something and go eat. And then as soon as 955 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: I just even made a stir like I was going 956 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: to get up, Boomi's right there. He's like, like, thank you, Roady. 957 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 2: That's awesome. I want to talk about let's Valet because 958 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 2: we were talking about Western Chill before you came in 959 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 2: and just talking about the project and what it is. 960 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 2: But I do want talk about Let's Valet just because 961 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 2: the story that was kind of attached to it is, 962 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 2: like I said, I don't know. It felt to me 963 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: like there's some mystery guy in a luchador mask named 964 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 2: Taylor walking you around town, getting you in back doors 965 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 2: and places. 966 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: So it's actually a Taylor, soone. 967 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 2: See, that's why I'm asking. I felt like it was 968 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 2: a guy in a wrestling mask. I didn't want to 969 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 2: know who he was. So that's in Nashville. So walk 970 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 2: me through that story. 971 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So I was, I was. It was CMA week 972 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: and I was doing some stuff for being mine. They 973 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: sent me out to do some red carpet stuff and 974 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: I was a fish out of water for sure, And 975 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: so I knew this this lady Taylor, but she volunteered 976 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: to come take me around and do this, and she 977 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: was great at it. I mean she just slip in there, 978 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: slip out, you know how it is. It's like you're 979 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: pushing you in. You got to talk to this guy. No, 980 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: you can't talk to this guy. And so she was 981 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 1: she's getting us through. And we got downtown down there 982 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: on you know, Broadway in fifth right by the Rhyman 983 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: so and it was just packed. There were no parking spaces. 984 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: And I said, what do we do, Taylor? And she said, 985 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 1: let's valet. And I said, man, people have told me 986 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: that I should write a song about their grandma who's 987 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: always cooked cookies or something, or they used to have 988 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: a tiger in their backyard and that would make a 989 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: great song. And I always go, this is a terrible 990 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: da and but and I said, but let's Valet. That's 991 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: a song title. I don't know how it's gonna play out, 992 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: but it's a song title. As soon as I write it, 993 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you get the co write on this one. 994 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: She's okay. So so I wrote the song and then 995 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: I a couple of weeks later, I ran into I 996 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: had one line that was kind of clunky, and I 997 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 1: ran in my friend Dean Dylan, who's just mister you 998 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: know everything and writing. He's a Stephen Somnheim of country 999 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 1: music basically, and and I said, well, can you help 1000 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: me with this this line? You can go oil robber dull. 1001 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: Let me hear a little bit of the song. So 1002 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: I've just played him a little of it and he's 1003 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: just like, well, here's the line and that's it. So 1004 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: it's a three way co right between Dean and Taylor 1005 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: and MEA. 1006 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 2: Final two questions out for you. Are you a photographic memory? 1007 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: No, No, I have. I have a great memory for numbers. 1008 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 2: Do you see them differently? It's in what way my 1009 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 2: wife sees words differently? She can when she speaks it, 1010 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 2: or someone speaks to her every words written out in 1011 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 2: front of her in a conversation, so she can spell 1012 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 2: words backwards for wow, like she has. 1013 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: Well I want that, yeah, me too. 1014 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 2: The problem is when I get we get to have 1015 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 2: a disagreement and we're arguing about who said what. I know, 1016 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 2: either she's absolutely right and I can't prove she's wrong, 1017 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 2: or if she's making it up, I still can't prove 1018 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 2: she's wrong because she always has she just has she kidding. Yeah, 1019 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 2: some people when they play an instrument, I don't have this. 1020 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 2: They see different they see numbers or they sell in 1021 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,919 Speaker 2: colors or so how do you how do you think 1022 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 2: your version of numbers is different than like mine, where 1023 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 2: I'm not very good at numbers, Like how do you 1024 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 2: see them? 1025 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: Number numbers do just flash up in my head and 1026 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: like if someone you know somebody? I know all the 1027 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: president's birthdays. I know, I know tons and tons. Wow, 1028 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: those birthdays, I know them in an order. 1029 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 2: You know every president's birthday. Enough for me to fact 1030 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 2: check that statement right now. Hey, Mike, we looked us up. 1031 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 2: Got him up right now, so I can name any president, 1032 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 2: even the most obscure president. By the way, he has 1033 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 2: no phone out. This was not set up ahead of time. 1034 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: Will you McKinley, it's the twenty ninth of January. 1035 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,479 Speaker 2: Mike, will you please tell me William McKinley's birth today, 1036 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,799 Speaker 2: twenty ninth January. This is crazy. I gotta do one more. 1037 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 2: I can't believe that you can do this. This is wild. Okay, okay, okay, 1038 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 2: how about what's the most absolute most obscure president. Okay, 1039 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go with Garfield. 1040 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: Garfield is the nineteenth of November. 1041 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 2: Okay, mikey it is the nineteenth of November. When when 1042 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 2: did you know? And how did you use this to 1043 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,839 Speaker 2: your advantage? This is like a superhour. It's like if 1044 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 2: Spider Man never used his webs. Like, this is crazy. 1045 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I knew, I knew numbers, and 1046 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, kind of I'm not like academic 1047 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: about presidents, but I do like the presidents. And I thought, well, 1048 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, I could just memorize all these guys from 1049 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: George Washington all the all the way through Biden and 1050 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: and I you know, I bet I could do it. 1051 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: It didn't take me very long at all. So I 1052 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: just I just memorized them. I used to have I could. 1053 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: I can snatch onto the year every once out, but 1054 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: the year is a little bit harder. 1055 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 2: What about do you know? So then you know every 1056 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 2: president in order? Huh, that's crazy. I don't even like 1057 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 2: challenging him because I just believe him. He just crushed 1058 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 2: nailing two president's birthdays. Holy crap. Well, final final question, 1059 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 2: how much do you want to write from here out? 1060 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: I want to write music music. 1061 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. 1062 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't have a real good answer for that, because 1063 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,839 Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. My prose has gotten better. 1064 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: Like I said it was bad, my prose has gotten better. 1065 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: I enjoy it more. I like, I like writing these poems. 1066 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: And this kind of frightens me. Bobby is like somebody 1067 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 1: told me that what Spotify gets six hundred thousand songs 1068 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: a month or something crazy, And then there's a hologram 1069 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: in Japan that has one hundred and seventy five thousand 1070 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: downloaded AI created songs, and it's just like, well, where 1071 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: do you find the place and all of that. So 1072 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: it's that's a discourag for me, you know. But I mean, 1073 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm me, so I'm going to have my own take. 1074 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: But I'm just in the wash of everything. I just 1075 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: don't know if it's all going to be washed out. 1076 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I do I do cotton to this idea 1077 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: is that I am an artist and it's really my 1078 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: job to keep exploring that and keep walking into that unknown. 1079 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: And so that's what keeps me going as far as 1080 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: writing songs, but as far as like having a plan 1081 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: on it. Herbert Hoover, Herbert Hoover is the tenth Well, 1082 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: that's that's a split because he's well, there's some people 1083 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: say he's eleventh of August. Man, he's the tenth of August. 1084 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's fact check that first. I'm listened to 1085 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,760 Speaker 2: the tenth of August. 1086 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: Okay. 1087 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 2: Why why is there the disagreement? 1088 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: When he was I don't know. I ran it into 1089 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: a book that there was because he was an orphan. 1090 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 2: This is the coolest party trick I've ever not the 1091 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 2: orphan part, the part you nailing that. This is the 1092 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 2: coolest thing that's ever happened here. I'm just throwing dates 1093 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 2: at you. I remember my birthdays. Robert rol Keene again. 1094 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 2: Go to Robert rol Keen dot com, which we mentioned 1095 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,320 Speaker 2: earlier Western Chill June seventh. You may hear this months 1096 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 2: after June seventh. That means it exists right now, and 1097 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 2: it's got so much in it. It's box set in 1098 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 2: box set form twenty twenty three, the CD, the vinyl, 1099 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,439 Speaker 2: the graphic novel, which, by the ways, about one hundred pages. Yeah, 1100 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 2: that's significant. Yeah, my kid's book was like twenty one pages. 1101 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 2: That's nothing. You've heard of what you did, the play 1102 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,439 Speaker 2: along sing Along songbook, the DVD. Just been a big fan, 1103 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for a long time. Was introduced to you 1104 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,320 Speaker 2: when I was like twenty two and moved to Austin 1105 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 2: and was like, you don't know Robert Rokeana And I 1106 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,879 Speaker 2: was like I don't, And then very quickly you learn 1107 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 2: who Robert Rolkeina is. When you live down there, so 1108 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 2: it's really cool. Thank you for coming over and spending 1109 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 2: some time with me, and I wish you the best 1110 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 2: of luck with this project. 1111 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: And whatever else I'm memorizing. Taft Oh, William Howard tafting 1112 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: the fifteenth of September. There's only two virgos in the 1113 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,359 Speaker 1: in the whole presidential deal. 1114 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 2: Here's the other one LB of course. All right, thank you, Robert, 1115 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 2: that's funny. 1116 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production