WEBVTT - How Mimetic Are You? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.880 How mimdic are you? It's one more thing. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:14.960 I'm what was that word, mimedicmdic, mimedic, mimedic, mimetic with 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:16.239 an eye medic. 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.959 I'm very frustrated with myself because, uh, you know that quote. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:24.919 I'm always thrown around about how I'm still looking. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.680 For it as I speak at Do you think you're 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:27.800 better than me? Yeah? 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.520 That quote guys, You guys are children. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:32.879 No, that's your quote. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.920 So, uh, the quote had to do with how women 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.519 in large part and low testosterone males filter information, not 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.200 through Is this true? 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:48.080 But more? 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:55.080 Is agreeing with this going to make me safer? In 0:00:55.160 --> 0:01:01.760 other words, people who can't defend themselves physically need more 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.240 consensus because they need more tesperately to be part of 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.040 a group to protect themselves physically. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.640 It's an adaptive mechanism. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.920 So that is one of the reasons why young women 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.640 in particular m M it's such a priority for them to 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.200 form alliances and to be seen as part of the group. 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:19.840 And you see that in peer pressure, you see that 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.280 in universities, screaming and screeching slogans that don't make any 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.480 sense whatsoever, but it's and I can't remember the specific 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.679 term for it. But again, it's not like rugged individual 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.320 appraisal of truth. It's like if I go along with this, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.640 will that make my life better? 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:36.839 Anyway? 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.920 Okay, you're talking about like generally, Like if I'm in 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.680 a like standing around with a group of people, somebody 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.400 could say something completely stupid, whack job. I know is 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.120 not true. I hate politically, but I'm not gonna say anything. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.880 I don't think it's because I got low t I 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.480 just don't want to argue with them in that setting. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.800 But it doesn't change my beliefs an me. You mean 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:56.960 like you actually like. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.960 Go along with it, Yes, or at least you pretend to, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.720 much more actively than you're talking about. And if you're 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.920 younger and more impressionable, And this is what we're going 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.520 to get into with mimetic thinking, it tends to kind 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.799 of seep into you and it becomes what you believe. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.000 I thought it was interesting on this topic. I was 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.679 reading Holman Jenkins in the Wall Street Journal. He's talking 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.720 about the whole Jake Tapper book and Joe Biden's senility 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:27.040 and all that stuff, and he mentions all through this 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.840 period The Times New York Times, Thomas Edsull wrote countless 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.840 three thousand word pieces citing academics on mister Trump's incipient Hitlerism. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.760 His constant subject was voter attitudes. Yet not once did 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.880 the ancient and esteemed mister Edsull acknowledge that the three 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.720 year long Russia fraud even happened or had any role 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.040 in causing one hundred and fifty two million Americans in 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.079 twenty twenty and twenty twenty four to repudiate the Establishment 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.440 in favor of mister Trump and know this isn't strange. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.919 Are intensely social animals. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.920 Our psychology and behaviors are rooted in evolved obsession with status, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:06.560 i e. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.720 Are standing with others. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.480 According to a Population Reference Bureau, one hundred and seventeen 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.520 billion humans have existed since our species emerged two hundred 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.560 thousand years ago. How many of these humans ever used 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.600 their brains for any purpose other than servicing their need 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.880 to be in accord with those around them. Yet, had 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.440 journalists been honest in the expected journalistic way acknowledging what 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.160 was in front of their faces, the past ten years 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.640 would have been completely different. So anyway, he's talking about 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.480 the fact that we just we want to be esteemed. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:36.720 By our peers. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.280 We want to be raised up in the tribe, and 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.720 so we go along to get along, as they say. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.880 And one of our brilliant observant listeners sent along this 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:53.200 essay by a fellow by the name of Luke Burgess. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.200 What is mimetic desire? 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.800 And he says, nearly everyone unconsciously assume there's a straight 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.760 line between them and the things they want. I wake 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.880 up one day and suddenly realize that I want to 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.520 run a marathon. Amazingly, all my friends had a similar 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.800 realization when they hit their mid thirties. Two or I 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.280 get the brilliant idea that substack is objectively the best 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.120 publishing platform for my long form essay writing based on 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.440 all the data, right around the time that everyone else 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.680 in their mother seems to be arriving at the same conclusion. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.680 And he says, I decided to get a dog during 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.719 COVID because well, I've been wanting a dog for a 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.440 long time, and now seems like as good a time 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.800 as ever. Never mind that I'm the only one in 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.800 my friend group who hasn't. And these guys share pictures 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.600 of their puppies on Instagram along with the rest of 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:34.920 the world. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.120 On a nearly daily basis. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.680 In each of these cases, I've convinced myself that my 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.039 desire is independent and autonomous. I want to pursue things 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.920 just because it makes sense, or it's the right thing 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.600 to do, or it's what I authentically want or need 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:47.159 to be happy. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.320 I decide that I want to wear this color shirt 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.320 has nothing to do with the fact that it has 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.760 become popular, Right, Yeah, I just like the color. This 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.880 all happens beneath my conscious awareness. Very few people question 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.720 why they want the things they want at all. This 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.640 assumption that my desires are all my own, this story 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.960 that I tell myself is what the French social scientist 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.160 Drenage Gerard called the romantic lie. The lie is that 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.480 I want things independently, or that I choose all of 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.719 the objects of my desire out of some kind of 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.560 some kind of secret desire chamber in my heart, that 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.480 I know a good thing when when I see it, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.800 that I know what's desirable and what's not unaided. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:26.520 Then he goes into the. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.000 Example of Julius Caesar. He was an excellent romantic liar. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:36.440 So this is this is a distraction. Well, No, the 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.760 Julius Caesar examples specifically. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.680 Right, Yeah, is somebody suggesting that this is bad though, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.760 that we should fight against this, or is this okay? 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.839 This is just playing out this part of human nature. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:48.720 I think what they're pointing out is you'd be better 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.880 off if you better understood what's going on in your 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:51.440 own head. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.240 Oh that's scary, because I don't know if I want 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.560 to wear unpopular clothes, get dogs at the wrong time, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.520 you know, have a haircut that nobody else likes. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.560 Or whatever. Just start reading some stack. Yeah, right, having 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.040 iguana instead of a dog. Yeah. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.120 The truth between us and the things we want is 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.400 never straight. It's always curved. It goes through or around models. 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.120 Here's one called mediated desire. Models are people, groups are 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.600 things that help us know what we want. And then 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.680 he quotes Hermi and Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream, which 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.800 is one of Shakespeare's more entertaining places. Oh, hell, to 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.400 choose love by another's eyes, the plot being that this 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.680 one guy decided everybody was hot for this check, so 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.359 he was too. That's that is a horrible summary. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.480 Please don't write an angry email. I just want to 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:39.200 keep moving. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:40.320 That does happen? 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.279 I remember that from high school, which I didn't realize 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.159 at the time that was a weird thing that happened 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.039 a few times, a couple of times, and the rehearse also, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.680 and then with a distance of hindsight, it was like, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.680 how did she be him become I mean, not to 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.360 sound crueler, but she wasn't that great? I mean, why 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.680 was everybody thinking she was the person and then that 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.680 other person super attractive? 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.600 Why was nobody interested in her? And sweet and kind 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.640 and the rest of it. But yeah, you kind of 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:12.480 didn't notice till your buddy was hot for her. Anyway, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.960 he says. It's hell to know we've chosen anything by 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.840 another's eyes, but we do it all the time. We 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.400 choose brands, schools, and dishes at a restaurant by them. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.680 Humans have a built in instinctual radar for most of 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.400 our basic needs, like animals do for trapped outside in 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.640 the cold, freezing, Nobody needs to tell us to seek warmth, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.000 basic survival sustenance. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:32.880 Not true. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.320 Animals need radio weather people and TV radio. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:42.160 Stay in the shade today it's hot, yeah, exactly. Basic 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.400 survival sustenance, sex, warmth. These are all instinctual needs for 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.240 which we have biological mechanisms to guide us. If I'm 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.080 starving and see a juicy steak and a piece of 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.880 wood in front of me, I don't need much help 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.520 to determine which one I should eat. My body tells 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.160 me what to choose. But these things are not desires 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.680 per se. It's more important appropriate to call them needs. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.160 A desire, on the other hand, is an object that 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.040 we pursue for which there's no purely instinctual basis. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.480 I don't want to think about this too much so 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.520 because then you start getting into so I'm not. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.000 The unique human being I think I am. 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:21.240 I bought this car, these shoes, watching this show, live 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.480 in this all because of some sort of wanting to 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:26.600 fit in fit in. 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.960 Yeah, I don't want to think about that. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.760 Maybe it's the benefit of the fact that this is 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.600 the second time I've approached this, because I've gotten past. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.959 Your animal like reaction to this wisdom. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:41.880 Oh, by the way, if you'd like to sign up 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.960 for my how to be Condescending workshops, we've got openings 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.520 next Tuesday. No, so, I've had a chance of noutilists 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.040 through a little bit, and this is a very long essay. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:54.520 I don't think it's Paywaald. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.920 We'll we'll post it under May twenty seconds hot links 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.360 at Armstrong and getty dot com. I'll getty you guys 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.960 in a few minutes. But in digesting this, and I 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.679 tell you what, do I read one more part? No, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.120 I'll just get to the punchline. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.240 Maybe if you hadn't skipped the Caesar part, I would 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:12.760 understand it. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.440 It's the I came, I saw I conquered thing. But 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:22.439 he was just he was deluding himself anyway. I think 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.000 what it boils down to is we're made over. You know, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.239 even before Homo sapiens were in control, we had you know, predecessors, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.600 so we've been around for long term time. As an animal, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.760 we're made to say, huh, they may have a point, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.880 or wait a minute, we're all a tribe here and 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.760 and my friends who protect me and love me or whatever, 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.880 and we eat together, and they think this thing. I 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.400 need to take it seriously or I think that's a 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.000 flaw or demeaning at all. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:57.000 Really we're insulting a lot of what is. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.520 Evolutionary is pretty easily explained. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.920 It just I don't like to think about it because 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.679 I would like to think I'm more you know, not 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.760 just doing that, but yeah, it makes sense. You look 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.280 at that family over there, they're surviving. I should probably 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.680 pay attention to what they're doing because they're surviving. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:14.800 Yeah. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.520 It gets interesting when it extends to things that are 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.280 completely abstract, like what color pants or how high your 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:26.599 genes should rise. Of course, some of that's just social acceptance. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:28.800 Yeah, I think it all fits together. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.679 Or oh, sure, is the wood in the house dark now? 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.080 I thought it was light. No, it's back to dark now. Okay, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.520 so it's going to become light again in like fifteen years, yes. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.400 Okay, yeah, and then he gets into the concept of desire. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.000 Desire always needs something to latch onto. It can't stay 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.199 free floating. In this sense, it operates like a bicuspid 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.400 that has to be attached to a substrate, a rock, or. 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.360 Some other surface that's like a clam or a muscle 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:53.800 or whatever. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.760 As soon as it becomes detached from one thing and 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.200 immediately attaches itself to something else, another model, there is 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.520 no end to desire because there are always more models. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.360 The overnight bitcoin millionaire doesn't start wanting less or even 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.880 simpler things. He starts taking an interest in rare fish aquariums, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.320 Nordic cooking, and traveling to obscure places he reads about 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:13.920 in his Monocle magazines. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:14.840 I don't know what that is. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:16.960 Desire. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.320 According to Renege, your art is always for something we 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.600 think we lack, or else it wouldn't be desired at all. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.319 Desire is not object oriented, as we commonly assume. Desire 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:30.360 needs to find fulfillment in never finds fulfillment in any 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:31.240 particular thing. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.480 It just goes from one thing to another, to another 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:33.920 to another. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.760 That has certainly been my experience in something I've talked 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:41.600 to my specifically my youngest son about always always wanting 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.640 something that is gonna make. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.160 Him happy, and obviously it never works. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:47.760 Yeah. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.600 I was visiting my parents' church years and years and 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.079 years ago, and I wish I had gotten or kept 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.480 a written copy of the sermon. They ended up leaving 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.959 the church because the guy was the minister was a 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.800 bit of an egotistic dick, or at least so they said, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.760 and my parents would never be harsh about that sort 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.520 of thing unless it was true. But the guy was 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:07.959 a hell of a good speaker, and his sermon was 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.800 about lust and not sexual lust, although he touched on 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.720 that but he was talking about how exactly what this 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.040 is about, how your desire will move from one thing 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.360 to another to another if you let it run wild 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.920 and you're not aware of what it's doing. It's like, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.959 I've become acutely aware that I like to look at 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.160 real estate porn, as I've called it through the years. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.520 I just I'm really interested in real estate in general 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.120 as a market, but I will look at like, really 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:40.439 nice houses for sale four weeks after I've bought a house, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:46.760 and I've realized it's a lust, like it gives me 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.760 a shot of endorphins, and how it would be cool 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.600 to own that house or to live there or whatever. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.760 And now I've intellectualized it because I try to be 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.319 aware of this stuff. Am I emotionally attracted to this? 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.240 Why do I want that? Why am I going along 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:10.640 with that? And I've realized the minute you buy that house, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.520 you'll be doing this again, hawk to trot for another one. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.760 It's a desire that always wants to latch onto something new. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.600 I laughed in agreement, because I was thinking about that. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.439 I go on Zillow and Redfinn and all of those 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:30.880 real estate websites all the time. Just look yeah, And 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.840 I'm not on the market. I just moved, you know, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.000 I'm I and I love my home. But I have 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.679 so much fun looking at these homes and going, oh 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.040 my god, if I could, if you know, if I 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.880 could live there, that would be pretty and cool. But 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.160 you're right, if I moved there, I would still be 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:46.640 doing this. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:48.240 Yeah. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.160 And so the point of the sermon was that recognize 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.400 lust in all of its forms. You know, you move 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.319 from for dudes, woman to woman to woman straight dudes. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:57.480 Do you have to say that these days? 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.959 I guess anyway, because he keeps lusting for something new 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.040 and different, and you're never gonna satisfy it. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.400 You're just gonna keep doing it. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.000 And you ought to be aware of that and be 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.440 more disciplined as a Christian or you know, just whatever 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:10.440 sort of person you want to be. 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:17.120 Giggley giggity giggity giggity. All right, do you want to 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.880 hear the Caesar stuff? No, I don't good. I don't 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.520 want to tell you. I think we rolled enough tape. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.840 I feel like that was asking if we wanted homework. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.160 Yeah, that's funny, you. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:29.480 Know, Joe. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.040 I also lest for real estate. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.360 I find myself I was squat in one house, and 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:34.960 then I get to see the other house and I 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.960 go squat over there. I think, why am I squatting 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.120 in this stump? I'd be happy if I was squatting 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:40.560 over there. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.920 When you get there, you squat, and what happens, Well, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:47.160 I guess that's it. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.840 That's a good ending. Michael, You're a treasure.