1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: How mimdic are you? It's one more thing. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: I'm what was that word, mimedicmdic, mimedic, mimedic, mimetic with 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: an eye medic. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 3: I'm very frustrated with myself because, uh, you know that quote. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 3: I'm always thrown around about how I'm still looking. 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: For it as I speak at Do you think you're 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: better than me? Yeah? 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 4: That quote guys, You guys are children. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: No, that's your quote. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: So, uh, the quote had to do with how women 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: in large part and low testosterone males filter information, not 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: through Is this true? 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: But more? 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Is agreeing with this going to make me safer? In 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: other words, people who can't defend themselves physically need more 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: consensus because they need more tesperately to be part of 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 3: a group to protect themselves physically. 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: It's an adaptive mechanism. 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: So that is one of the reasons why young women 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: in particular m M it's such a priority for them to 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: form alliances and to be seen as part of the group. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: And you see that in peer pressure, you see that 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: in universities, screaming and screeching slogans that don't make any 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: sense whatsoever, but it's and I can't remember the specific 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: term for it. But again, it's not like rugged individual 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: appraisal of truth. It's like if I go along with this, 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: will that make my life better? 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: Anyway? 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: Okay, you're talking about like generally, Like if I'm in 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 5: a like standing around with a group of people, somebody 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 5: could say something completely stupid, whack job. I know is 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 5: not true. I hate politically, but I'm not gonna say anything. 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 5: I don't think it's because I got low t I 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 5: just don't want to argue with them in that setting. 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 5: But it doesn't change my beliefs an me. You mean 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: like you actually like. 37 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: Go along with it, Yes, or at least you pretend to, 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: much more actively than you're talking about. And if you're 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: younger and more impressionable, And this is what we're going 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: to get into with mimetic thinking, it tends to kind 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: of seep into you and it becomes what you believe. 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting on this topic. I was 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: reading Holman Jenkins in the Wall Street Journal. He's talking 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: about the whole Jake Tapper book and Joe Biden's senility 45 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: and all that stuff, and he mentions all through this 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: period The Times New York Times, Thomas Edsull wrote countless 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: three thousand word pieces citing academics on mister Trump's incipient Hitlerism. 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: His constant subject was voter attitudes. Yet not once did 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: the ancient and esteemed mister Edsull acknowledge that the three 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: year long Russia fraud even happened or had any role 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: in causing one hundred and fifty two million Americans in 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 3: twenty twenty and twenty twenty four to repudiate the Establishment 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: in favor of mister Trump and know this isn't strange. 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: Are intensely social animals. 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: Our psychology and behaviors are rooted in evolved obsession with status, 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: i e. 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Are standing with others. 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: According to a Population Reference Bureau, one hundred and seventeen 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: billion humans have existed since our species emerged two hundred 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: thousand years ago. How many of these humans ever used 61 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: their brains for any purpose other than servicing their need 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: to be in accord with those around them. Yet, had 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: journalists been honest in the expected journalistic way acknowledging what 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: was in front of their faces, the past ten years 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: would have been completely different. So anyway, he's talking about 66 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: the fact that we just we want to be esteemed. 67 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: By our peers. 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: We want to be raised up in the tribe, and 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: so we go along to get along, as they say. 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: And one of our brilliant observant listeners sent along this 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: essay by a fellow by the name of Luke Burgess. 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: What is mimetic desire? 73 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: And he says, nearly everyone unconsciously assume there's a straight 74 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: line between them and the things they want. I wake 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: up one day and suddenly realize that I want to 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: run a marathon. Amazingly, all my friends had a similar 77 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: realization when they hit their mid thirties. Two or I 78 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: get the brilliant idea that substack is objectively the best 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: publishing platform for my long form essay writing based on 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: all the data, right around the time that everyone else 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 3: in their mother seems to be arriving at the same conclusion. 82 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: And he says, I decided to get a dog during 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: COVID because well, I've been wanting a dog for a 84 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: long time, and now seems like as good a time 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: as ever. Never mind that I'm the only one in 86 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: my friend group who hasn't. And these guys share pictures 87 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 3: of their puppies on Instagram along with the rest of 88 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: the world. 89 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: On a nearly daily basis. 90 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: In each of these cases, I've convinced myself that my 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 3: desire is independent and autonomous. I want to pursue things 92 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: just because it makes sense, or it's the right thing 93 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: to do, or it's what I authentically want or need 94 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: to be happy. 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 5: I decide that I want to wear this color shirt 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: has nothing to do with the fact that it has 97 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 5: become popular, Right, Yeah, I just like the color. This 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: all happens beneath my conscious awareness. Very few people question 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 5: why they want the things they want at all. This 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: assumption that my desires are all my own, this story 101 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 5: that I tell myself is what the French social scientist 102 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 5: Drenage Gerard called the romantic lie. The lie is that 103 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 5: I want things independently, or that I choose all of 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 5: the objects of my desire out of some kind of 105 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 5: some kind of secret desire chamber in my heart, that 106 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 5: I know a good thing when when I see it, 107 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 5: that I know what's desirable and what's not unaided. 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: Then he goes into the. 109 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: Example of Julius Caesar. He was an excellent romantic liar. 110 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: So this is this is a distraction. Well, No, the 111 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: Julius Caesar examples specifically. 112 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, is somebody suggesting that this is bad though, 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 5: that we should fight against this, or is this okay? 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 5: This is just playing out this part of human nature. 115 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: I think what they're pointing out is you'd be better 116 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: off if you better understood what's going on in your 117 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: own head. 118 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 5: Oh that's scary, because I don't know if I want 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 5: to wear unpopular clothes, get dogs at the wrong time, 120 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: you know, have a haircut that nobody else likes. 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Or whatever. Just start reading some stack. Yeah, right, having 122 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: iguana instead of a dog. Yeah. 123 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: The truth between us and the things we want is 124 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: never straight. It's always curved. It goes through or around models. 125 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: Here's one called mediated desire. Models are people, groups are 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: things that help us know what we want. And then 127 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: he quotes Hermi and Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream, which 128 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: is one of Shakespeare's more entertaining places. Oh, hell, to 129 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: choose love by another's eyes, the plot being that this 130 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: one guy decided everybody was hot for this check, so 131 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 3: he was too. That's that is a horrible summary. 132 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: Please don't write an angry email. I just want to 133 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: keep moving. 134 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 6: That does happen? 135 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 5: I remember that from high school, which I didn't realize 136 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 5: at the time that was a weird thing that happened 137 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 5: a few times, a couple of times, and the rehearse also, 138 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: and then with a distance of hindsight, it was like, 139 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 5: how did she be him become I mean, not to 140 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 5: sound crueler, but she wasn't that great? I mean, why 141 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: was everybody thinking she was the person and then that 142 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 5: other person super attractive? 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 3: Why was nobody interested in her? And sweet and kind 144 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: and the rest of it. But yeah, you kind of 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: didn't notice till your buddy was hot for her. Anyway, 146 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: he says. It's hell to know we've chosen anything by 147 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: another's eyes, but we do it all the time. We 148 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: choose brands, schools, and dishes at a restaurant by them. 149 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: Humans have a built in instinctual radar for most of 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: our basic needs, like animals do for trapped outside in 151 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: the cold, freezing, Nobody needs to tell us to seek warmth, 152 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: basic survival sustenance. 153 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 6: Not true. 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: Animals need radio weather people and TV radio. 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: Stay in the shade today it's hot, yeah, exactly. Basic 156 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: survival sustenance, sex, warmth. These are all instinctual needs for 157 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: which we have biological mechanisms to guide us. If I'm 158 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: starving and see a juicy steak and a piece of 159 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: wood in front of me, I don't need much help 160 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: to determine which one I should eat. My body tells 161 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: me what to choose. But these things are not desires 162 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: per se. It's more important appropriate to call them needs. 163 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: A desire, on the other hand, is an object that 164 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: we pursue for which there's no purely instinctual basis. 165 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 5: I don't want to think about this too much so 166 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 5: because then you start getting into so I'm not. 167 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 6: The unique human being I think I am. 168 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 5: I bought this car, these shoes, watching this show, live 169 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 5: in this all because of some sort of wanting to 170 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 5: fit in fit in. 171 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't want to think about that. 172 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: Maybe it's the benefit of the fact that this is 173 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: the second time I've approached this, because I've gotten past. 174 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: Your animal like reaction to this wisdom. 175 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, if you'd like to sign up 176 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: for my how to be Condescending workshops, we've got openings 177 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: next Tuesday. No, so, I've had a chance of noutilists 178 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: through a little bit, and this is a very long essay. 179 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it's Paywaald. 180 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: We'll we'll post it under May twenty seconds hot links 181 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: at Armstrong and getty dot com. I'll getty you guys 182 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: in a few minutes. But in digesting this, and I 183 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: tell you what, do I read one more part? No, 184 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: I'll just get to the punchline. 185 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 5: Maybe if you hadn't skipped the Caesar part, I would 186 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 5: understand it. 187 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: It's the I came, I saw I conquered thing. But 188 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: he was just he was deluding himself anyway. I think 189 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: what it boils down to is we're made over. You know, 190 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,239 Speaker 3: even before Homo sapiens were in control, we had you know, predecessors, 191 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: so we've been around for long term time. As an animal, 192 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: we're made to say, huh, they may have a point, 193 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: or wait a minute, we're all a tribe here and 194 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: and my friends who protect me and love me or whatever, 195 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: and we eat together, and they think this thing. I 196 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: need to take it seriously or I think that's a 197 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: flaw or demeaning at all. 198 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Really we're insulting a lot of what is. 199 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 6: Evolutionary is pretty easily explained. 200 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: It just I don't like to think about it because 201 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: I would like to think I'm more you know, not 202 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 5: just doing that, but yeah, it makes sense. You look 203 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 5: at that family over there, they're surviving. I should probably 204 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 5: pay attention to what they're doing because they're surviving. 205 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 206 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: It gets interesting when it extends to things that are 207 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: completely abstract, like what color pants or how high your 208 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 3: genes should rise. Of course, some of that's just social acceptance. 209 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it all fits together. 210 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: Or oh, sure, is the wood in the house dark now? 211 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: I thought it was light. No, it's back to dark now. Okay, 212 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 5: so it's going to become light again in like fifteen years, yes. 213 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and then he gets into the concept of desire. 214 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: Desire always needs something to latch onto. It can't stay 215 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 3: free floating. In this sense, it operates like a bicuspid 216 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: that has to be attached to a substrate, a rock, or. 217 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Some other surface that's like a clam or a muscle 218 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. 219 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: As soon as it becomes detached from one thing and 220 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: immediately attaches itself to something else, another model, there is 221 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: no end to desire because there are always more models. 222 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: The overnight bitcoin millionaire doesn't start wanting less or even 223 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: simpler things. He starts taking an interest in rare fish aquariums, 224 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: Nordic cooking, and traveling to obscure places he reads about 225 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: in his Monocle magazines. 226 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. 227 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 6: Desire. 228 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: According to Renege, your art is always for something we 229 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: think we lack, or else it wouldn't be desired at all. 230 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: Desire is not object oriented, as we commonly assume. Desire 231 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: needs to find fulfillment in never finds fulfillment in any 232 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: particular thing. 233 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: It just goes from one thing to another, to another 234 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: to another. 235 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 5: That has certainly been my experience in something I've talked 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 5: to my specifically my youngest son about always always wanting 237 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 5: something that is gonna make. 238 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 6: Him happy, and obviously it never works. 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 240 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: I was visiting my parents' church years and years and 241 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 3: years ago, and I wish I had gotten or kept 242 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: a written copy of the sermon. They ended up leaving 243 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: the church because the guy was the minister was a 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: bit of an egotistic dick, or at least so they said, 245 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: and my parents would never be harsh about that sort 246 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: of thing unless it was true. But the guy was 247 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: a hell of a good speaker, and his sermon was 248 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: about lust and not sexual lust, although he touched on 249 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: that but he was talking about how exactly what this 250 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: is about, how your desire will move from one thing 251 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: to another to another if you let it run wild 252 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: and you're not aware of what it's doing. It's like, 253 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 3: I've become acutely aware that I like to look at 254 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: real estate porn, as I've called it through the years. 255 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: I just I'm really interested in real estate in general 256 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: as a market, but I will look at like, really 257 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: nice houses for sale four weeks after I've bought a house, 258 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: and I've realized it's a lust, like it gives me 259 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: a shot of endorphins, and how it would be cool 260 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: to own that house or to live there or whatever. 261 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: And now I've intellectualized it because I try to be 262 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: aware of this stuff. Am I emotionally attracted to this? 263 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: Why do I want that? Why am I going along 264 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: with that? And I've realized the minute you buy that house, 265 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: you'll be doing this again, hawk to trot for another one. 266 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: It's a desire that always wants to latch onto something new. 267 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: I laughed in agreement, because I was thinking about that. 268 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 4: I go on Zillow and Redfinn and all of those 269 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: real estate websites all the time. Just look yeah, And 270 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 4: I'm not on the market. I just moved, you know, 271 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 4: I'm I and I love my home. But I have 272 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: so much fun looking at these homes and going, oh 273 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: my god, if I could, if you know, if I 274 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: could live there, that would be pretty and cool. But 275 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: you're right, if I moved there, I would still be 276 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 4: doing this. 277 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 278 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: And so the point of the sermon was that recognize 279 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: lust in all of its forms. You know, you move 280 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: from for dudes, woman to woman to woman straight dudes. 281 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Do you have to say that these days? 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: I guess anyway, because he keeps lusting for something new 283 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: and different, and you're never gonna satisfy it. 284 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: You're just gonna keep doing it. 285 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: And you ought to be aware of that and be 286 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: more disciplined as a Christian or you know, just whatever 287 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: sort of person you want to be. 288 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Giggley giggity giggity giggity. All right, do you want to 289 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: hear the Caesar stuff? No, I don't good. I don't 290 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: want to tell you. I think we rolled enough tape. 291 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: I feel like that was asking if we wanted homework. 292 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's funny, you. 293 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 5: Know, Joe. 294 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: I also lest for real estate. 295 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: I find myself I was squat in one house, and 296 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: then I get to see the other house and I 297 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: go squat over there. I think, why am I squatting 298 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: in this stump? I'd be happy if I was squatting 299 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 3: over there. 300 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: When you get there, you squat, and what happens, Well, 301 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 5: I guess that's it. 302 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 6: That's a good ending. Michael, You're a treasure.