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Go to Nancy Grace dot 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: com and register using promo code Nancy. Crime Stories with 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, so many cases of missing children, It's like 21 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: an avalanche. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I could not be prouder 23 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: to have the guests joining us today. Mark Class, crime victim, 24 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: tireless victims advocate and founder of Class Kids. Daphne Young, 25 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: the VP of Communications and Prevention Education at Child Help, 26 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: add with Me, Director of the Cold Case ree Search Institute, 27 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, along with Alan Duke and Jackie Howard. Every day, 28 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Mark Class more missing children? Do you ever feel overwhelmed by? It? 29 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: Is overwhelming? Over two thousand children are reported missing in 30 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the United States every day, and while a vast majority 31 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: of those are successfully resolved, there are still those cases 32 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: that endure that You're just seemed to flow down the 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: sinkhole and and leave parents stranded. You know, Mark Class, 34 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: you are just um an icon to me, And when 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: I am tired and I am weary, I think about 36 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: you and how you gave up a very lucative career 37 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: to become a victims advocate and the founder of Class Kids. 38 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: Could you explain why you made that hairpin turn in life? Well? 39 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, n Yes. On October one, my twelve year 40 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: old daughter Paully, was hosting a slumber party with a 41 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: couple of her girlfriends in the home that she shared 42 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: with her mother in Pedaluma, California, and at about ten 43 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: thirty in the evening, a bearded stranger entered Paully's bedroom 44 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: with a butcher knife and told the girls that if 45 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: they made a noise, he would cut their throats. He 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: then proceeded to tie and bind all of the girls 47 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: and then steal Paully into the night. And we searched 48 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: for sixty five days only to find that this recitivious 49 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: violent offender had kidnapped, raped, and murdered Paully um within 50 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: a two hour period, and he can he currently resides 51 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: on California's Death Rowe twenty five years later. And I 52 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: decided at that point that I was not going to 53 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: let my daughter's death be in vain. I was not 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: going to let her become another data point on a 55 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: statistical pie chart, and that I would try to create 56 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: a legacy in her name that would be protective of 57 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: children for decade you to come and quite frankly, at 58 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: that time, there was very very little being done on 59 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: being done to benefit machine children. You know, Mark, it 60 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: is not lost on me the way you tell that story, 61 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: because you you say it like you're reporting somebody else's story. 62 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: And when people ask me about the murder of my fiance. 63 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: I do much the same thing, because I tell the 64 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: story by road, because to think about it and recount 65 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: that time in my life is just so painful. But 66 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: when I hear you tell the story of Polly going missing, 67 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: listen to me, I'm crying for you. You may not 68 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: be crying on the outside, but I'm crying for you 69 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: right now. And if you would just mention the pain 70 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: of those sixty five days not knowing what happened to Polly, well, 71 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the point, And so you have 72 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: to detach. You have to detach because it's so emotionally overwhelming. 73 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I spent a good decade wanting to die. 74 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: I really did. It took me a good ten years 75 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: to be able to pull myself together and really smell 76 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: the flowers and appreciate music again. Those sixty five days 77 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: were the most excruciating time I've ever experienced. I lost 78 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: thirty pounds, I lost my mind. I uh I, I 79 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: fell into a sinkhole. I fell into ah. It was 80 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: like being in the middle of a tornado and not 81 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: being able to to get a grasp on anything. You 82 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: lose control of your emotions, of your intellect. You you 83 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: almost seemingly lose your soul, but look what you've done 84 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: with your life with me. In addition to Mark Class, 85 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids is Daphne Young with Child Help. Daphne, 86 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. What is 87 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: child Help and why is there a child Help? Well, Nancy, 88 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: we're the largest national nonprofit. We've been running for over 89 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: sixty years now, and we're dedicated to the treatment, intervention, 90 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: and prevention of child abuse. And you know our founders, 91 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: Sarah and Yvonne, you're one of their favorite people because 92 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: you're one of the few consistent, dedicated champions of children, 93 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: giving a voice to those silenced by abuse. As Mark 94 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Class notes, this whole issue rarely gets prime time. Children 95 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: don't have a powerful lobby, so people like child Help, 96 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: people involved in media have to stand up for these kids. 97 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: They have no voice and they're being lost in the system. 98 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: They're being abused. We're losing five children each day to abuse, 99 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: and of those fatalities involved at least one parent. So 100 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: your work has been crucial and not just taking on 101 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: this issue, but you've branded it in a way that 102 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: people can talk about it as part of a national conversation, 103 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: and that's so critical, Cheryl McCullum. With me, you and 104 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: I have dealt with so many crime victims. And like 105 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: with Mark, it took sixty five days to find Polly. 106 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: The cases were about to start talking about right now, 107 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: are still unsolved, Families still torn apart by not knowing 108 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: where their child is, has a fan, somebody stolen them, 109 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: Are they being raised or had they been on the 110 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: black market or have they been trafficked? Are they dead? 111 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: Do they need me? The thought of my children needing 112 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: me or crying for me is almost more than I 113 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: can stand. Cheryl, and you deal with cole cases. We 114 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: call them cold every day, but they're not cold to 115 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: family members. Absolutely, Nancy, when you hear Mark tags, I mean, 116 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: you just it's paralyzing to think of that situation. But 117 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: the reality is what he was saying. That statistic it 118 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: breaks down to over eighty children an hour go missing. Now, 119 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: there's three types of kidnapping, basically in three categories. One's 120 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: gonna be family that takes the child, one that will 121 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: be an acclaimant, and one that's stranger. And when that 122 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: breaks down fifty times, you know, fifty percent of the time, 123 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a family member. UM. And hopefully that 124 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: child comes back safely, hopefully UM. But percent of the 125 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: time to feed on what Mark would say, and that's 126 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: gonna be a stranger. And those first three hours are 127 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: the most critical. The child is normally killed in those 128 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: first three And once you first talk about the disappearance 129 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: of a beautiful little boy, I will never ever forget 130 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: the first time I laid eyes on Kiren Hormon, still 131 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: missing out of Portland, Oregon. He's described as endangered and missing. 132 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: The first time I saw his face had this big, 133 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: huge smile with a gap tooth grin and he was 134 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: last seeing new Portland, Oregon on June four. He usually 135 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: wrote the bus the Skyline Elementary. He was just the 136 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: second grade at that time. Now, that day, his stepmother, 137 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: Terry Lynn Molten Hormon, drove him because there was a 138 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: science fear that day and he Karen wanted to set 139 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: up his exhibit. It was about the red eyed tree frog. 140 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: They get there around eight o'clock. They drop his coat 141 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: backpack at the classroom and according to the stepmother, she 142 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: takes him to the science fair and then the next 143 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: thing you know, nobody sees him that afternoon at he 144 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: doesn't arrive home. Nobody seemed to have seen him at 145 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: the school that morning. Now one witness thinks they saw, 146 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: but we're may be confused about the day. His teacher 147 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: marked him absent. She thought for some reason he was 148 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: at a doctor's appointment. Why was it so critical mark 149 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: class that all these hours had passed since Karen was 150 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: last seen at eight a m. Well, Cheryl just touched 151 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: on children that are murdered as a result of an 152 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: induction are going to be dead within the first three hours. 153 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: So on. The one thing that everybody can agree is 154 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: that time is really the enemy when you're dealing with 155 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: a missing child case. As soon as they're discovered missing, 156 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they need to be reported to law enforcement immediately so 157 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: that they can start an investigation. And the sooner that happens, 158 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: the greater the chance of recovering the child alive. Take 159 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: a listen to this TV news interview regarding Karen's disappearance. 160 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: Eight year old Tanner Pamala remembers passing Kiran in the 161 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: school hallway Friday morning as the two passed each other 162 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: on the way to see different science experiments. I went 163 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: downstairs and now the last time I saw him. I 164 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: never did. Team After that, Tanner and Kyron's class was 165 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: regrouping Mrs Porter, the regular teacher accompanied by a substitute 166 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: there to help with the science fair. It was the substitute, 167 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: says Tanner, who noticed Kiran was missing. And she's like, oh, no, 168 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: where's tiring. There's only five and reporters like, um, she 169 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: shall I calmed down, calm down. She's probably in the bathroom. 170 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: We're getting a drink of water. And she's like, all right, 171 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave, and she left. You normally start, Daphne Young, 172 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: with a person to have last seen the child held 173 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: a lot. That's where your investigation starts. In this case, 174 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: it was the stepmother. Would you agree that that's where 175 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: investigations normally start, Daffne, Absolutely, You have to look at 176 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: the people closest to the child. For a parent that 177 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: has done nothing wrong, it can be most one of 178 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: the most frustrating experiences they'll ever go through because they 179 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: know in their hearts they haven't done anything, and they 180 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: feel that clock ticking. Law enforcement needs to divvy up. 181 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: They need to go uh the broad range and also 182 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: then to the parent because, as I mentioned, if those 183 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: fatalities involved at least one parent, so they've got to 184 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: move towards who knows the child, who has access to 185 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: the child, the last person that saw the child while 186 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: doing a larger, broad scale investigation. When a child goes missing, 187 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: it should be all hands on deck. You're not kidding, 188 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: And I recall distinctly Mark Class and PAULI went missing. 189 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: And I use you as the goal standard whenever a 190 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: child goes miss, saying you were basically here. Take my fingerprints, 191 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: take my d n A, whatever you need, Search my home, 192 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: search my computer, search whatever you want. Look at my 193 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: car so you can get past me as the dad 194 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: of Polly, and move on to find who took my daughter. See, 195 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: that's what I expect from family members when their child 196 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: goes missing. I expect them to act like you. Well, 197 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: that's exactly that. Although we didn't have computers yet, at 198 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: least I didn't think you're absolutely right. You have a 199 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: momentary uh thinking, feeling that that and this is a 200 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: problem you always here. Defense attorneys say you can't take 201 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,599 Speaker 1: a polygraph because they can't be relied upon it, and 202 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people take that as gospel. So you'll 203 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: find innocent people that are very reluctant to take a 204 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: polygraph exam because they think that there's somehow going to 205 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: get caught up in a lie. And unfortunately that really 206 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: stalls a lot of these is not in my case, 207 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I was ready to go for it. I wanted to 208 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: be eliminated immediately so that they could move on and 209 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: find out what happened to my little girl, Tyrone Horman 210 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: still missing today. Now take a listen to the stepmother 211 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: that drops him off at school that day. According to her, 212 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: as she speaks to Dr Phil, I was told not 213 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: I was following orders. I'm doing what I'm told to 214 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: do because I want him found. They're saying do it 215 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: a certain way. And I did everything I was ever 216 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: asked to do, spoke openly for hours on end with investigators, 217 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: open book, told him every horrible, little dirty secret I 218 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: ever had in my life, anything that was going to 219 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: help to find him. Anything. I didn't care. It's it. 220 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: But I could see how if somebody's not on the 221 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: inside of what's going on, how they could could see 222 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: a different way. But I did everything I was supposed 223 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: to do, and it still wasn't good enough. And everything 224 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: gets twisted and turned and it is. It became this 225 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: um to this attack against me instead of the focus 226 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: of being him. After I retained an attorney that I 227 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: was told not to talk and I asked him to 228 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: talk for me and he wouldn't. That was Karen's stepmother 229 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: on Dr Phil straight out to Cheryl McCullen, director of 230 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. There was another search for 231 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: any clues regarding the disappearance of little Tyram. It was 232 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: in West Hills and we know that something had to 233 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: trigger that search, Cheryl. Normally, Nancy, it could be anything 234 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: from a tip somebody walking through that area could have 235 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: found something they thought was related, you know, to this child. 236 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: But here's the deal, every stone unturned on every case. 237 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: You should not stop searching. So I have an issue with, Hey, 238 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: we're going to do another search now even though we 239 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: haven't done one in a year or two. Um, there 240 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: should be searching every weekend. You should take dogs that 241 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: are being trained at the academy to be a canine, 242 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: let them train, but do a real search while they're training. Well, 243 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: you know what I find very very telling, Cheryl McCollum, 244 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: is that the search for Tyron Horman, the seven year 245 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: old little boy that goes missing allegedly at the Skyline 246 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: School in northwest Portland were the search was the wooded 247 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: areas around his home. Uh. They also then went to 248 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: his school. That's the most recent search. They are looking 249 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: around his home in school, and that tells me what 250 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: they have going on in their head. What investigators are thinking. 251 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Well, there's no question, Nancy. But again the 252 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: last person to see him. Everything about her would make 253 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: you question her. The fact she says she takes them somewhere, 254 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: but his teacher says, yeah, he never made anyone here. 255 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: So there's no way you drop your children off at 256 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: school every day, Nancy. There's three feet from the door 257 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: when they get out of your van. Nobody came and 258 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: swomps in and get the child there with six teachers 259 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and safety patrols and the principle and all these parents 260 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: standing there. That's bes you know that didn't happen. We 261 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: also know, Cheryl, that the Maltena Maltima County d A's 262 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Office has them paneled a grand jury on the Kiren 263 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Hormon case, and that means both the criminal investigation and 264 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: linkal for seatings are still underway. But where that's leading, 265 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: we don't know that you can I say something here, Yeah, 266 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: John Mark, I'm sorry. About three years ago, we were 267 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: working with Chiron's mother to do a search for chirroon Um. 268 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: The justice Cheryl said, you always have to continue to 269 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: do these searches. And one of the places that she 270 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: asked us to search was the father's property, the place 271 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: where Chiron lived. Uh Kane Horman, And so I called 272 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: Kane because I knew him, and I told him what 273 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: we were doing and asked him if we could come 274 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: onto his property and search for chron and he said 275 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: absolutely not. No way in hell was he going to 276 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: let us onto his property. And I said, well, if 277 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're professionals, we do this all the time. 278 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: If there's not a problem, what why won't you let 279 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: us on? And he said, if the deputies, if the 280 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement ever wants to come onto our property, I'm 281 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: more than willing to do it. But I'm not letting 282 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: anybody else onto my property. Which leads to the question, 283 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: if they just did a search around the property, are 284 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: they honing in on something and has anybody actually ever 285 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: searched on the property itself. Well, you know what, it's 286 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: awfully late to be asking. It's a shame that we're asking, Mark, 287 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: have they searched that property? Don't? Don't you think they 288 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: would have at the time, Mark, Or do you think 289 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: something was missed? So I think they should have and 290 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they haven't. But those that was 291 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: the conversation I had with him, and he was adamant 292 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: we were not getting on of that property. That very odd. Yes, 293 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: jump in here the deal. I'm gonna tell you right now. 294 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: If you've got a parent that has a child missing 295 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: and they won't let you search their property, that is 296 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: beyond diregg flag. That is a freaking parade of flag. 297 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: This is what we know. No one has been named 298 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: a suspect. No one has been named a person of 299 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: interest at this time. Why the father turned down Mark 300 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: class Maybe he's frustrated, Maybe he's angry, maybe he's numb, 301 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: maybe he's wrong. I don't know. I do know this. 302 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: The search goes on for Kiren Horman. There's a fifty 303 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward the church tipline five zero three nine 304 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: eight eight zero five six zero five oh three nine 305 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: eight eight zero five six zero or email tips at 306 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: bringing Kiren Home dot org. We are doing our part 307 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: trying to find missing children from a cross our country. 308 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: We now leave the Pacific Northwest and head to Chicago, 309 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: where to the little girls, ten year old Tianda and 310 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: three year old Diamond go missing, we think from their 311 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: own apartment the morning of July six. Tracy, the girl's mom, 312 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: tells cops she saw them that morning at six thirty 313 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: am before she left for work at Robert La Park. 314 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: She prepares lunches there for children in a summer camp program. 315 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: She got back home early in the afternoon to find 316 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: a note written by Tianda placed on the back of 317 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: a couch and said they had gone by to a 318 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: school a school playground very close by, and that they 319 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: would go to like the local seven eleven well. The 320 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: mom then tells a tribune that she searched for hours 321 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: that day before she calls the police at six thirty 322 00:20:52,880 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: p m. That night. That sparked a massive investigation. Daphne 323 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: Young with me with child help, Mark Class, founder of 324 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Class Kids, and Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case 325 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: Research Institute. Daphne I recall distinctly when Diamond and Tiana 326 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: went missing. As a matter of fact, we took our 327 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: show then with CNN's h l N on the road 328 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: to Chicago to investigate their disappearance. Daphne, what do you 329 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: recall the girl's disappearance. Well, I just remember it was 330 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: a massive search and there were rotating crews. There were 331 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: hundreds of detectives working around the clock. They searched everywhere, sewers, lagoons, 332 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: abandoned building factories, people were digging through garbage. Uh, they 333 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: were interviewing relatives. It was a huge search and rumors 334 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: spread around the neighborhood. There were tips I believe close 335 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: to a thousand um. There were even psychics involved. I 336 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: mean this, this captured the nation. I think you have 337 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: these two little girls with these captivating names, and they 338 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: were doing what so many children do, the most banal things, 339 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: right going supposedly disappearing from a neighborhood's playground. When children 340 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: are doing the things children are supposed to do, and 341 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: something wicked or evil happens, it really captures the nation 342 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: because we think they were just trying to play, or 343 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: they should have been out playing. Where are these little girls? 344 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: You know? The theories on Diamond and Tiana's disappearance bounded. 345 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Mark Class I remember one psidchick Uh told the family 346 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: they were being held as sex slaves in Illinois somewhere. Then, 347 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: as I recall the bio, dad lived in another country. UM, 348 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: it was either Trinidad or Morocco. One it was Morocco. 349 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: Jackie's waiting at me. And there was the theory that 350 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: the dad had kidnapped the girls that was invest sigated. 351 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: It neither amount of to anything. So even bringing in 352 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: psychic smart class, what does that tell you that police 353 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: are down to bringing in psychics. Well, it tells me 354 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: that the police are absolutely desperate. And you're absolutely correct. 355 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: This became an international search. UM in Chicago, they searched 356 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: five thousand abandoned buildings for these little girls. But when 357 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: you bring in psychics, you're in probably the most desperate 358 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: place you can be. And I just want to say 359 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: this about psychics. I believe they really are part of 360 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: a second wave of predators in these kinds of situations 361 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: because they swooped down as they did in our case 362 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: as well. And they tell you that if you give 363 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: them a little item of your child's they'll tell you 364 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: where your child is. And ultimately, what's going to happen 365 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: if you're in California, like I am. The psychic is 366 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: going to say, I see rolling hills, I hear running water, 367 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I see out buildings of some kind. And what you've done, 368 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: then is you have described of the topography in the 369 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: state of northern or in northern California. Um. So, the 370 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: reality is is that psychics never helped a case. They 371 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: always hinder a case. They give absolutely false hope, or 372 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: as in the case of the famous psychic Sylvia Brown, 373 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: they will dash your hopes and tell you that your 374 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: child is dead when in fact is in the case 375 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: of Sean Hornbeck, he was very much alive and only 376 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: a few miles down the road. These two little girls 377 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: were last saying at their family home, an apartment on 378 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: South Lake Park Avenue in Chicago. The mom, as I 379 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: told you, at least for six thirty a m. Diamond 380 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: and her older sister Tianda, stayed at the home during 381 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: the morning and the mom, Tracy, discovered they weren't home 382 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: when she came home around eleven a m. Now, apparently 383 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: Tianda left a note stating they were going to walk 384 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: by to a nearby school to play and a little store. 385 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: As a out of fact, Tianda was taking summer classes 386 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: at Doolittle Elementary. Now, after we research, we find out 387 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: school officials insist she was absent the day of her disappearance. 388 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Neighborhood children claim they saw Diamond and Tianda playing outside 389 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: at lunchtime. Neither child has ever been heard from again. 390 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: When I look at their descriptions, it's it's brutal. This 391 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: little girl, Diamond, who's just three years old. She was 392 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: three ft tall and she only weighed forty pounds. She 393 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: had violet and purple ponytails holders in her hair. She's 394 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: African American with big, beautiful brown eyes. She's got a 395 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: tiny scar on the left side of her hairline, and 396 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: she normally wears her hair braided in the back with 397 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: four ponytails. That was her favorite. She's got beautiful, deep 398 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: set eyes. Tiyanda was ten years old at the time 399 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: she went missing, just four to and only weighed seventy pounds, 400 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: green ponytail holders in her hair. African American little girl, 401 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: big brown eyes. She has a quarter sized burned scar 402 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: on her left forearm, and at the time she went missing, 403 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: she had a scrape on her left calf. She normally 404 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: wears her hair in long ponytails. They disappeared together again. 405 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: The tip line is eight hundred eight four three fifty 406 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: six seventy eight. Listen to what her sisters say she 407 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: used in the house. She had drawn from couch to couch, 408 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: like said, he running around the house. And she had 409 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: these dark as that used to scare everybody. She was crazy. 410 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: And Tianna she like danced, and and she like around 411 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: how bike, But dancing was her favorite hobby, you know, 412 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: she said, do a lot of fluff like she's always 413 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: m Jim Jim the first place she loved. She loved dancing. 414 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: And she was just the ass boke on one of them, 415 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: even me, you know, I was. We was laid back 416 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: inn go out now we head to Oakland, California. And 417 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: the disappearance of Hassany Jamil Campbell. Take a listen to 418 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: his parents at the time he goes missing, trained my 419 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: life now, frit If something's wrong with him, they don't 420 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: give give it myself. It's one of them who don't 421 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: let him become a picture in the milk card pots 422 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: five years later that you never found. What do we 423 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: know about the disappearance of a Sanny Campbell? Looking at him, 424 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: he's just precious. Five years old when he goes missing 425 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: three ft forty pounds, wearing a gray sweatshirt, gray pants, shorts. 426 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: Interesting he had cerebral palsy and was wearing his braces. 427 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: Last seen in Oakland with his foster father, Louise Ross. 428 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: Now he leaves the boy. He he's going to meet 429 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: the boy's aunt there the foster parents, and that's his 430 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: biological aunt that Louise is engaged too. So she had 431 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: as I recall a shoe store and to get in, 432 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: it's like a strip center. You drive around back of 433 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: the store and part right outside the back door and 434 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: walk in that way. So he pulls up in a 435 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: BMW and the parking a lot of shoes. S h 436 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: u Z, that's a shoe store where she worked, and 437 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: he was dropping a sanny off with him and his 438 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: one year old sister, Aliyah alright to be with the aunt, Jennifer. 439 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: So long story short, he goes in the back door 440 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: to tell Jennifer he's bringing the children in. He goes 441 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: back out, Hassani is gone. When he gets back out 442 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to the BMW, Hassani was totally missing. Defacts Children Family 443 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Services never had a problem with a couple of foster 444 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: parents They claim the couple conscientiously looked after Hassani's medical needs. 445 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: He was the students at James Leech Elementary at the 446 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: time he went missing. Police, of course immediately Mark Class 447 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: impound the BMW, They take Eliyah away and put her 448 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: in protective custody. They search, pursuit to want the foster 449 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: parents home, the car, everything they can think of. No clue, 450 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: Mark Class. I think I live in the San Francisco 451 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: Bay Area. Oakland has a very real prime problem, There's 452 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: no question about that. And in response to that, CCTV cameras, 453 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras have been put up all over that city. 454 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: It's hard to find a location where you're not going 455 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: to be surveilled by a camera except the back of 456 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: that shoe store. That's the one location in that vicinity 457 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: where there are no surveillance cameras whatsoever. And so to 458 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: think that this guy is going to go into the 459 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: store to say he's bringing the children in and instead 460 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: of just bringing the children in and then coming out 461 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: and finding Hassani gun is absolutely ludicrous. If it's going 462 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: to be a kidnapping, I think the kidnapper would be 463 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: drawn to the one year old very healthy little girl 464 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: much more than too little Hassani. And if little Hassani 465 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: had somehow gotten out of the car and tried to 466 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: run away, he wouldn't have gotten more than six or 467 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: seven feet in the time frame that this guy Louis gaped. 468 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: So a lot of attention was focused on this man 469 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: immediately as well. It should have been well another thing 470 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: mark class, just as you and I would have done. 471 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: Immediately when he went missing, police promptly brought out tracker 472 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: dogs to the back of She's s h u Z 473 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: the she store where the aunt the foster mom worked 474 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: all right, but this tracker dogs immediately could not find 475 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: Hassani's scent at the site where he was supposedly last seen. 476 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: This child missing from Oakland is classified as endangered, missing 477 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: just five years old when he seemingly vanishes into thin air, 478 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: just three ft forty pounds, gray sweatshirt, gray pants or shorts, 479 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: white arch support braces with Spider Man logos on a 480 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: poor little baby. He has cerebral policy. He could walk, 481 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: but he cannot run or jump. Um. He's an African 482 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: American male, brown hair, beautiful brown eyes, and he speaks 483 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: with a lisp. Hassani Campbell missing the tip line. If 484 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: you know anything about the disappearance of Hassany Campbell five 485 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: on zero two three eight zero to three A thirty 486 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: six forty one. Let's go to Nashville, guys. Tabitha last 487 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: seen by her family seven a m. Her father wakes 488 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: her up. It's April nine. They lived there in a 489 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: little home on Lillian Street, Nashville. She was watching TV. 490 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: He goes to work. Now. She was supposed to get 491 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: on the school bus that morning at eight a m. 492 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: At fourteen in Biscua Bell Street. Witnesses saw her more 493 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: than one, which in my mind takes the father out 494 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: of the mix. Witnesses see her walking to the bus stop. Okay, 495 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: she was reading some papers as she walked. She was 496 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: not in a hurry. She was not looking for anybody. 497 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Mark, that reminds me so 498 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: much of my daughter, Lucy. John David is the mayor 499 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: of Funville. Okay, Mark, Lucy. It's always reading something. Her 500 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: mind is a million miles away. In some stories she's writing, 501 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: or she likes to draw, she likes to read. I 502 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: can just see this girl, Tabitha Tutors, just precious walking 503 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: to the bus stop at eight a m. People saw 504 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: her more than one. As I was saying to me, 505 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: that takes the dad out of the mix. But here's 506 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: the here's the twist. Tabitha never got on the bus 507 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: and she never got to Bailey Middle School, just two 508 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: miles away. The parents don't know a thing until that 509 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: evening when she doesn't come home, they find out she 510 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: was missing from school and they immediately report her missing 511 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: to police. Okay, Mark class, can you even imagine getting 512 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: the perp getting that much of a head start from 513 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: eight am to six pm? Why didn't the school call 514 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: the parents? Well, that's a that's an issue that needs 515 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: to be addressed, and it really needs to be addressed 516 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: in every school in America that when children don't show up, 517 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: the parents need to be notified immediately. And I'll tell 518 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: you why now, because this is an interesting factory here. 519 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: A third of all abduction attempts in the United States 520 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: occur on school bus routes. And they occur on school 521 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: bus Wait a minute, Wait a minute, let me let 522 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: me let that soak in Mark class. WHOA, you just 523 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: taught me something. I'm gonna write this sand hold on 524 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: one third of child abductions. Okay, go ahead, I'm writing this, Jackie, 525 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Please get this month our child abductions. What now? So 526 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: a third of all child abduction attempts occur on school routes. 527 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: And that tells us something, Nancy. That tells us that 528 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: if we know about fact, we can cunt We can 529 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: cut abductions in this country tremendously simply by addressing that 530 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: singular issue. And we can do that in a variety 531 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: of ways. We can do that by having neighbors watched 532 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: the children on the routes, by doing some kind of 533 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: a round robin where there's always a parent watching the 534 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: kids going to the routes or going to the bus 535 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: and coming home from the bus. We could have that 536 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: as an elderly project for an elderly home where you 537 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: don't have to do something. You could go high tech 538 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: and put surveillance cameras along those routes. And if we 539 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: were to do that, we would be able to prevent 540 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: situations like Tabitha's or so many of the other children 541 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: that we've talked about over the years that if you'll 542 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: look back, you'll see that they disappeared either going to 543 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: school or coming home from school. There are set patterns. 544 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: Predators understand that they're able to plan for it, and 545 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: they're able to do things instilled. You know what, mark class? 546 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: You make so much sense. I did not know that statistic. 547 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: Now if you I got that from the National Center 548 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: from Missing and Exploited Children, Daphne Young with me with 549 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: Child Help Organization. Did you know that fact? I did 550 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: not know one third of all child abduction attempts occur 551 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: on a bus route or on the way to school. 552 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: It's true, and one of the big problems is that 553 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: in addition to not safeguarding the areas where children are, 554 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: which mark class is correct, we should take the onus 555 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: off the child and do our duty as a community 556 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: and create safe route so that every step that a 557 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: child takes is secured. And also we should put some 558 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: prevention education in the schools as well, so children learned 559 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: body safety, Internet creditors what to do when being groomed. 560 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: You know, we do a lot of stop, drop and 561 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: roll for fire safety. It should be the same thing 562 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: for their personal safety. Guys with me are too not 563 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: only very dear friends to me, but colleagues and our 564 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: crusade to help find missing children. Daphne Young with Child 565 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: help with me, Cheryl McCollum with the Cold Case Research 566 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: Institute and Mark Class. To reach child help, go to 567 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: eight hundred four a Child eight hundred four to two 568 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: four four five three to reach Class Kids Foundation eight 569 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: five zero five to five eight zero seven eight five 570 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 1: zero five to five four eight zero seven if you 571 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: need help with a s urch or rescue Nancy Gray's 572 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: crime story signing off Goodbye friend, h