WEBVTT - I'll Tumblr 4 Ya

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the

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<v Speaker 1>tech are you? So? Back in early two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty year old guy named David Karp launched a

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<v Speaker 1>new microblogging social platform and called it Tumbler Tumblr. Carp

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<v Speaker 1>had dropped out of high school years earlier. He had

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<v Speaker 1>switched to homeschooling, and then right after his studies, he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up moving to Japan. He worked for a website

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<v Speaker 1>called urban Baby. For a while, he started a consulting company.

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<v Speaker 1>He went from high school dropout to web professional to

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneur in just five years. So it's two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook had debuted three years earlier and had emerged from

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<v Speaker 1>the college scene. Twitter was founded the year before Tumblr was,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wouldn't really get thrust into the spotlight until

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<v Speaker 1>a month after Tumblr launched, because that was when Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>had the big showing at south By Southwest in March

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand and seven. That's when the text spear

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<v Speaker 1>in general actually took notice of Twitter. So Carp was

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<v Speaker 1>fond of these things called tumble logs, and these are

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<v Speaker 1>micro blogs. They are short form log entries online. They

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<v Speaker 1>took their name from the tagline of a blog called Narcaia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Narkaia had the tagline experimental impressionistic sub paragraph tumblin.

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<v Speaker 1>So carp tumbled across a tumble log called Projectionist. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this tumble log was, among other things, tracking other tumblelogs

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<v Speaker 1>across the web, so it was kind of serving as

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<v Speaker 1>a directory of tumblelogs, and Projectionist had a very nice esthetic,

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<v Speaker 1>which wasn't always the case with a lot of tumblelogs

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<v Speaker 1>out there. The folks behind Projectionist had created like colorful

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<v Speaker 1>bubbles that could house a blurb, so instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>being text on a screen, it could really be set

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<v Speaker 1>apart and pop. They had also created things like frames

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<v Speaker 1>that would go around a video player so it would

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<v Speaker 1>set again set it apart from the rest of the page,

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<v Speaker 1>and make it look really attractive. It was much more

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<v Speaker 1>pleasant to look at than a lot of other not

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<v Speaker 1>just tumblelogs, but blogs in general, because at this point

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<v Speaker 1>the tools to make blogs were a little complicated for

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<v Speaker 1>the average user. Like you could learn how to use

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<v Speaker 1>the different tools and make a really attractive blog, but

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't always user friendly, and Cart thought it would

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<v Speaker 1>be really cool if someone were to develop a tumble

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<v Speaker 1>log platform that gave users access to those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>tools and made it really easy. So if the platform

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<v Speaker 1>would let users choose like a theme or a skin

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<v Speaker 1>that would automatically apply and a general esthetic to the

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<v Speaker 1>content that was posted to the tumblelog, that could be

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. So you can have like different types of

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<v Speaker 1>themes or skins, and that would determine how content would

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<v Speaker 1>appear when you posted it to the tumblelog. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>user would just focus on sharing the stuff they thought

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting or funny or thought provoking or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't have to worry about making it look good

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<v Speaker 1>because the platform would do that for you. And the

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<v Speaker 1>whole point was just to post very quick things like

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily long thoughts, although you could do that. You

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<v Speaker 1>could post a live journal like long entry if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to, but really it was about, Oh, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this interesting thing. I'm just going to post it here

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<v Speaker 1>and share it with people who visit my tumblelog. Not

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Karp was running this consulting business and

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<v Speaker 1>he had a developer who worked with him named Marco Armint,

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<v Speaker 1>and between a couple of consulting gigs, when they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything else going on, they decided they'd take a

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<v Speaker 1>crack at building this microblogging platform that Karp had been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about for more than a year at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>It took them all of two weeks to build the

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<v Speaker 1>first version of Tumblr, and according to Karp, in no

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<v Speaker 1>time at all, their brand new platform had thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people signing up for it. It was clear that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a demand for these kinds of tools and that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who enjoyed tumblelogging really lacked the

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<v Speaker 1>know how on how to build the kind of tools themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So it became a really attractive place to go and

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<v Speaker 1>it became the earliest version of Tumblr. Carp said that

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<v Speaker 1>the real appeal of Tumblr was that you could put

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<v Speaker 1>anything into it and you could take anything out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So by that at what he meant was that a

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<v Speaker 1>user submitting their content to their Tumbler would see that

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<v Speaker 1>the platform took care of all the formatting no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of content that was. If it was a video,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was some text, if it was an image,

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr would handle the formatting, so you didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it, and Tumblr would make sure that it

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<v Speaker 1>looked nice according to whatever esthetic you had picked. As

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<v Speaker 1>for taking stuff out of Tumblr, well, Tumblr had an

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<v Speaker 1>application programming interface or API, and it meant that you

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<v Speaker 1>could actually have it play nice on other sites all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you could have your own website that you operated,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could use a Tumblr API plugin so that

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<v Speaker 1>you could pull content from your Tumbler to display on

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<v Speaker 1>your owned and operated site. And that way you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to give your users another link to follow if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted them to be able to see your Tumblr material.

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<v Speaker 1>So your one site that could be the focal point

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<v Speaker 1>for all the stuff that you were active on online

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<v Speaker 1>could include your Tumblr activity. Now, something else that contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to the early adoption of Tumblr, particularly among students, was

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<v Speaker 1>that Tumblr's ascent coincided with the rise of the smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>The popularity of the iPhone and then later on android

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<v Speaker 1>phones meant that there was a new way to interact

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<v Speaker 1>with the Internet in general and the Web in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>and a new way to generate content for the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>and the Web. You know, smartphones had cameras. Now, y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>there are entire eras of my life that are largely

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<v Speaker 1>unphotographed because carrying a camera around was a choice. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you didn't. You didn't have a camera that

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<v Speaker 1>was incorporated into some other device that you happened to

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<v Speaker 1>carry with you wherever you went. If you were going

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<v Speaker 1>someplace and you had a camera with you, it was

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<v Speaker 1>because you decide you needed to have a camera with you.

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<v Speaker 1>The rise of smartphones, however, meant that cameras started to

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<v Speaker 1>become almost omnipresent no matter where you went, right, especially

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<v Speaker 1>as more and more people started to buy smartphones. So

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<v Speaker 1>it really changed the way we generate and consume content

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<v Speaker 1>on the web. Tumblr became a place that could act

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<v Speaker 1>as a display for all the stuff that you created

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<v Speaker 1>or the stuff that you liked and you wanted to reblog.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a joke, it could be a video clip,

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a digital photo. It could be an

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<v Speaker 1>animated GIF or jiff if you insist on pronouncing it

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<v Speaker 1>that way. It could be one of any other type

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<v Speaker 1>of web friendly types of content and it would fit

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<v Speaker 1>on Tumblr. And so Tumblr became kind of a web

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<v Speaker 1>culture nexus. You know, there were entire memes that would

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<v Speaker 1>gather support and adoption on Tumblr and then spread throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the web. Another important element of Tumblr

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<v Speaker 1>was that, unlike other social platforms, users were encouraged to

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<v Speaker 1>adopt a pseudonym for their Tumblr account, so the account

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<v Speaker 1>could be a really accurate reflection of the personality of

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<v Speaker 1>the user. You know, it could be an accurate reflection

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<v Speaker 1>of what they liked and what they valued, and you

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<v Speaker 1>could get a really good feel for what was important

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<v Speaker 1>to the user and still not know who the user

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<v Speaker 1>was because their account is all under a pseudonym, And

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<v Speaker 1>that meant the user could still maintain some anonymity, which

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<v Speaker 1>could be really important. It meant that users actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more freedom to express themselves without worrying about

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<v Speaker 1>it perhaps impacting them in other aspects of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like, let's say that you're a kid and you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that you're queer, but you also are in a

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<v Speaker 1>really sort of conservative region where you can't really have

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<v Speaker 1>a safe space to talk about this with anybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you feel very ostracized and alone and perhaps intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr was a place where you could start to explore

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<v Speaker 1>those aspects of your personality and to express yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>the pseudonym could give you some protection from consequences you

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<v Speaker 1>might face in your day to day life. So it

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<v Speaker 1>really was an important part of a lot of people's

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<v Speaker 1>self discovery journey. Tumblr was a big part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So besides just being a place to share in web culture,

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr served a role in creating web culture. There were

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<v Speaker 1>entire memes and in jokes that took shape in tumblrs.

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<v Speaker 1>The folks on Tumblr developed their own sort of language

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<v Speaker 1>in references and punchlines, and they would use that as

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<v Speaker 1>shorthand in communication with one another. And then a newcomer

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<v Speaker 1>or outsider would look at Tumblr and be totally in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark and find it just obtuse and confusing. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit of tribalism going on, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were of course tribes within tribes, because entire tumbler communities

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<v Speaker 1>would begin to form around specific topics, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them being pop culture topics. You had tumblers that would

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<v Speaker 1>focus on fan theories about specific shows, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You had whole communities that would pop up around fans

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<v Speaker 1>of a television show who were really hoping that two

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<v Speaker 1>of the characters on the show would end up in

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<v Speaker 1>a romantic relationship. Right the so called shipping fandoms, and

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<v Speaker 1>the discussions in these tumblers, or at least the blogging

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<v Speaker 1>in these tumblers, because you weren't leaving comments, you were

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<v Speaker 1>just blogging in it. They ran the full spectrum, from

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<v Speaker 1>wish fulfillment fantasies to even scholarly takes on how shows

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<v Speaker 1>were playing to or sometimes outright exploiting the fan bases

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<v Speaker 1>by teasing a relationship with no intent on actually following

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<v Speaker 1>through with it. There are actually some really remarkable video

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<v Speaker 1>essays on YouTube that look into this. Arrah z has

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<v Speaker 1>done quite a few videos that focused on Tumblr culture

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<v Speaker 1>and how various properties exploited that culture. So yeah, really

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating stuff. And there were other communities that coalesced around

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<v Speaker 1>real world concerns, some of which were seen as taboo

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<v Speaker 1>or socially unacceptable in order order to address them in

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<v Speaker 1>other types of communities, so users would lean on Tumblr

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<v Speaker 1>communities as I mentioned earlier, to explore their own identities.

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<v Speaker 1>They could experiment, they could find understanding and acceptance among others.

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<v Speaker 1>So on Tumblr you could find a really robust LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>plus community, for example, and communities within that community. You

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<v Speaker 1>could also find communities that supported people who had disabilities

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<v Speaker 1>or chronic illnesses. You could find the sort of communities

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<v Speaker 1>that just didn't have the same representation on other social

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<v Speaker 1>platforms or in real world spaces, particularly for people who

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<v Speaker 1>lived in fairly rural or remote areas, So that was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a really valuable thing as well. You also got

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<v Speaker 1>some extremes in that, and often those would be the

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<v Speaker 1>ones held up to ridicule or criticism that people would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a tumbler that's completely dedicated to people who are

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<v Speaker 1>fantasizing about being robots, and then that would turn into

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a punchline. So there was a downside of

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<v Speaker 1>this as well. But I think the value that Tumblr

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<v Speaker 1>presented toward people who really didn't have a support system

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<v Speaker 1>in other areas of their lives was something that was

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<v Speaker 1>really special. Tumblr would actually see its major boost and

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<v Speaker 1>popularity in the early twenty tens, Like it definitely had

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<v Speaker 1>early adoption, but that was in the tens of thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be around twenty ten where you'd start to

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<v Speaker 1>see millions of accounts on Tumblr. And we also saw

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of interesting subcultures form around that same time.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, do you remember Bronie's That's the term for

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<v Speaker 1>adult fans male identifying adult fans, usually of the animated

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<v Speaker 1>series My Little Pony. Friendship is Magic. Technically, the brony

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<v Speaker 1>culture actually originated on a different website, the message board

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<v Speaker 1>four chan, but the subculture also put down roots over

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<v Speaker 1>on Tumbler and flourished there. For the record, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see anything wrong with adults enjoying cartoons, even cartoons that

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<v Speaker 1>are ostensibly meant for kids. A lot of great cartoon

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<v Speaker 1>creators actually intentionally into greate cross generational appeal in their works.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be inaccurate for me to call myself a bronie.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything against Bronie's. I just never got

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<v Speaker 1>into My Little Pony, but goodness knows, I'm a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of other cartoons that are meant for kids, like

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<v Speaker 1>Phineas and ferb and Hey Season five is coming soon anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr's role in Internet culture grew and its user base

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<v Speaker 1>also grew, and while the company's valuation continued to increase,

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<v Speaker 1>nearing an estimated one billion dollars by twenty ten, Kart

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<v Speaker 1>was determined to prevent the sorts of monetization efforts that

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<v Speaker 1>he was seeing elsewhere on the web, so he kept

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr free from advertising effectively at least until twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>and even then he was very methodical in how ads

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<v Speaker 1>could run on the site and the sort of brand

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<v Speaker 1>deals that Tumblr would do, and he eschewed the migration

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<v Speaker 1>toward influencer culture, which was starting to take off at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. That's why Tumblr allowed for pseudonyms, and it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do things like track the number of folks who

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<v Speaker 1>were following a specific tumbler. In fact, it didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>allow for comments on posts. You could reblog a post,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could put in your own take on your reblogging,

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<v Speaker 1>but you couldn't just leave comments underneath a post that

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<v Speaker 1>was there. He was all about removing the barriers between

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<v Speaker 1>creators and the stuff they wanted to post. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take as much of that away as possible so

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<v Speaker 1>that it could have a more pure path from creator

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<v Speaker 1>to audience. But in twenty thirteen, things would change. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain more after we take this quick break. Okay, before

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<v Speaker 1>the break, I mentioned things would change for Tumblr in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen. In that year, Tumblr had seventy three million

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<v Speaker 1>accounts and a suitor came calling. A suitor by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Yahoo. At that time, Marissa Meyer was the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Yahoo's She had been part of Google. She

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<v Speaker 1>was actually employee number twenty at Google, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>left to become CEO of Yahoo in twenty twelve. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was a really big move for Yahoo, this acquisition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yahoo had also been in kind of a decline leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to Meyer's arrival. There had been sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>revolving door of CEOs for a while. You know, leadership

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<v Speaker 1>was undergoing a lot of tumultuous change. And then Meyer

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<v Speaker 1>was coming in and attempting to create some stability in

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<v Speaker 1>the company, and Yahoo made an offer that Tumblr could

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<v Speaker 1>not refuse. The offer was valued at around one point

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<v Speaker 1>one billion dollars. Meyer promised not to screw Tumblr up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might wonder why Karp would agree to sell

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr in the first place. After all, he previously had

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<v Speaker 1>been giving interviews to the media saying that he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make Tumblr in order to make money. That money was

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<v Speaker 1>not the motivating factor for his involvement with Tumblr. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to build a foundation upon which people could create stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what pushed him, he claimed. But following Yahoo's move

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<v Speaker 1>their offer to Tumblr, Karp would say that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of conversations with Marissa Meyer, and he found

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<v Speaker 1>that Tumblr and Yahoo were in alignment on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of topics, including the use of native advertising and branding

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<v Speaker 1>on Tumblr. And while he wasn't originally looking to sell

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<v Speaker 1>the company, the opportunity meant that Tumblr would have massive

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<v Speaker 1>corporate support while entering into the next stage of its growth,

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<v Speaker 1>which he said the Tumblr just couldn't do without something

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<v Speaker 1>like a Yahoo behind it. So Karp would actually stay

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<v Speaker 1>on with Tumblr. He would serve as the CEO for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tumblr division within Yahoo. I think it's safe to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Marissa Meyer and Yahoo had pounced on Tumblr

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<v Speaker 1>without really understanding what they were getting into. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr was popular, you know, there were more than a

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<v Speaker 1>million active users in more than seventy million accounts, and sure,

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<v Speaker 1>venture capital companies have been making investments into Tumblr to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where the valuation was hovering around a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tumblr wasn't at all profitable. It really wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>revenue generator. It was running these brand campaigns and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and had made some strategic partnerships with a few brands,

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<v Speaker 1>but the money coming in didn't even come close to

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<v Speaker 1>covering the bills. It wasn't covering the operating costs of

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<v Speaker 1>the servers, let alone the salaries of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>worked there, and so turning Tumblr into a profitable business

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a real challenge. See Tumblr was

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<v Speaker 1>also extremely permissive when it came to the types of

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<v Speaker 1>content that users could share. A lot of that content

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<v Speaker 1>was of a more mature nature. There were entire communities

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<v Speaker 1>focused on sexuality, and it wouldn't take a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of searching to actually find pornographic material shared on the platform.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that you run a company. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>brand company, and you want to advertise to folks, and

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<v Speaker 1>social platforms can be a really valuable place where you

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<v Speaker 1>can set your advertising. But then let's say you're worried

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<v Speaker 1>that your ad might appear next to a pornographic video

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<v Speaker 1>or pornographic gif or photo. Plus, the people to whom

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<v Speaker 1>you're advertising are all operating under pseudonyms, so you don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually know who those people are. One of the more

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<v Speaker 1>valuable aspects of most social networks is that the advertiser

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<v Speaker 1>can learn an awful lot about the customers that they're

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<v Speaker 1>advertising to. Targeted advertising is really big business, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder to target users when they are quasi anonymous not impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you could argue that a person's name is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the least important parts of who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>but it still was an issue. Now, this meant that

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<v Speaker 1>when Yahoo tried to monetize Tumbler, they ran into some

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<v Speaker 1>resistance among companies that were advertisers. The sexual nature of

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<v Speaker 1>much of the content was on Tumblr was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a non starter for a lot of companies. Advertisers were

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in other platforms that had a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>content moderation and users having to create accounts under their

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<v Speaker 1>actual names and share more information about themselves, more direct information,

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<v Speaker 1>not just not just indicating who they were through blogging,

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<v Speaker 1>but outright telling the platform who they were, where they

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<v Speaker 1>were from, how old they were, etc. So the semi

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 1>anonymous nature of Tumblr, coupled with the proliferation of sexual

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.200
<v Speaker 1>content meant that it was not an attractive place for advertisers.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we get to the debacle known as dash Con.

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<v Speaker 1>Originally it was called as tumble Con USA, so this

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<v Speaker 1>was an in person convention and it had no official

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<v Speaker 1>connection to Tumblr. It was catering to Tumblr communities, but

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<v Speaker 1>in itself was not part of Tumblr. Organizers were all

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<v Speaker 1>part of various tumbler communities, and they had this ambitious

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<v Speaker 1>idea to create a live event where Tumblr community members

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<v Speaker 1>would gather in person and celebrate the stuff that they loved.

0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.840
<v Speaker 1>There would also be live performances, there'd be bands, there'd

0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 1>be a live podcast from Welcome to night Vale, a

0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>fantastic podcast. If you've never listened to it, you should

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>check it out. I really enjoy that one. There would

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>be panel discussions, there'd be meet and greets, and there

0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:35.160
<v Speaker 1>would be the ballpit. So the story of dash Con

0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 1>is a complicated one. It involved a lot of bad decisions,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly guided through a lack of experience and knowledge, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a lack of capability, which again not a

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<v Speaker 1>slight on the people who wanted to throw this event.

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<v Speaker 1>I think originally the organizers really did want to throw

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<v Speaker 1>a great event. One of them, at least, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>was sincere in that desire. The entire time, they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>up to the task, and that's again not a slide

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 1>on them. They were tackling something they had never done before.

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<v Speaker 1>And it turns out that throwing live events is hard, right.

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.600
<v Speaker 1>You usually have entire departments of people who are dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to specific tasks within throwing a live event to get

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<v Speaker 1>it to get off the ground, and even then you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to run into issues, particularly the first couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years you try and have an event, so it's always difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was, you know, a long shot at best

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<v Speaker 1>for this thing to go off. Well, the whole event

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 1>became legendary for how poorly it was launched and run.

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<v Speaker 1>How some of the organizers ended up begging attendees to

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<v Speaker 1>contribute cash right there at the event in an emergency

0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>effort to keep the event going after it had already started.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of like saying, oh, no, we

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 1>need to lay down more railroad tracks because the train's

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<v Speaker 1>running out of track to run on. Numerous folks who

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<v Speaker 1>were meant to appear at the convention canceled because they

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<v Speaker 1>sensed that the event organizers were in over their heads

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<v Speaker 1>and would be unable to meet their obligations. The whole

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 1>thing became a big joke, and the punchline was almost

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.640
<v Speaker 1>always that darn ballpit, which, if you've not seen pictures,

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty pathetic little feature. Anyway, dash Con wasn't

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>officially affiliated with Tumblr, so it wasn't Tumblr's fault that

0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 1>dash Con was such a total disaster, but Tumblr's reputation

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>still took a bit of a hit just through association.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I already mentioned Sarah Z, who has

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<v Speaker 1>done numerous video essays on Tumblr culture. She has also

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 1>done an incredible video essay, like an exhaustive video essay

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<v Speaker 1>about the disaster that was Dashcan. So if you're really

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>curious about all the dirt and all the tea being spilt,

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I recommend going to YouTube and checking out Sarah Zed's

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Sarah z Sarah Z's video essay on Dashcan.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to Tumblr though, so, the user base of Tumbler

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<v Speaker 1>was slowly growing older because that's how time works, and

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<v Speaker 1>as they were aging, they were also kind of aging

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<v Speaker 1>out of Tumblr for various reasons, and so some of

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>them were migrating over to other platforms that were introducing

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<v Speaker 1>features that they found to be, you know, something that

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to do, something that wanted to use moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean that everyone left Tumblr, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people did so folks began to move to other

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<v Speaker 1>networks like Facebook or Twitter for different reasons. Tumblr saw

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<v Speaker 1>a decline in user activity and Yahoo was forced to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that they had massively overpaid for Tumblr. In early

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, Yahoo wrote down the value of Tumblr by

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<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred million dollars. The company as a

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>whole had posted a four point four billion dollar loss

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<v Speaker 1>in Q four of twenty fifteen. If that wasn't just Tumblr,

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that was all of Yahoo, but Tumblr was part of

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the problem. One could make a decent argument that Yahoo's

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition of Tumblr was one of the big booboos and

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>mergers and acquisitions in the tech space. And in twenty seventeen,

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Yahoo found itself the subject of an acquisition. So as

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder, Yahoo acquired Tumblr in twenty thirteen, and then

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen, Yahoo itself became acquired by Verizon. Because

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>there's always a bigger fish, so Verizon acquired Yahoo and

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<v Speaker 1>its subsidiaries, which included Tumblr, and they bought it all

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<v Speaker 1>for the princely sum of four point five billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the kitten, kaboodle everything of Yahoos. Verizon would

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>love Yahoo in with another acquisition and had made a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years earlier, which was Aol, and together AOL

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<v Speaker 1>and Yahoo became oath within Verizon, which would later get

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<v Speaker 1>a rebranding. A few months later, carp announced he was

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 1>leaving the company. So he had spent a little more

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>than a decade as Tumblr's founder and leader, and now

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he was walking away. He didn't really give a full

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>explanation as to why he was leaving, other than he

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>wanted to pursue other ambitions. But I mean, Tumblr had

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<v Speaker 1>already had sort of a fall from grace at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So in twenty eighteen, Verizon made a major change to

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr's policies by cracking down on adult content. This move

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<v Speaker 1>had a huge impact on user activity on Tumblr. Some

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>analysts estimated that there was as much as a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent drop in user traffic on Tumblr in the wake

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of this decision. Now users objected to censorship and restrictions,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>and part of the problem was that the filters that

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<v Speaker 1>Verizon had put in place to detect and prevent adult

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<v Speaker 1>content from posting to Tumblr were very aggressive, and users

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>argued that often they were flagging some content as inappropriate

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>when the content should not have been deemed inappropriate. This

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>move had a disproportionate effect on certain subcommunities, particularly the

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ plus communities on Tumblr, and again, Tumblr had served

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>as kind of a safe space for people to sort

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>of explore their sexuality and to kind of learn who

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>they really were. But now they were finding that some

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of this expression was no longer being tolerated on the platform.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>They found themselves unable to express themselves or to engage

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>in the type of experimentation that had previously been facilitated

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>by Tumblr. However, while you could easily say well, that's

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 1>not good. I mean, you know, this was a healthy place,

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>or at least it could be a healthy place for

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>someone to do this sort of exploration and to learn

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>more about themselves, there was no denying that there was

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 1>also some truly horrible stuff on Tumblr. Stuff that was

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>not just in bad taste. Often it was illegal. You know.

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>There were cases in which people found instances of child

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>abuse on Tumblr, like videos and photos and that sort

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of thing, And there's no way of getting around that.

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>That is truly terrible stuff and needed to be removed.

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>So from a business standpoint, the move to restrict adult

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>content was totally understandable, right Verizon needed to prove to

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>advertisers that Tumblr was a safe place and that posting

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>ads there wasn't going to backfire on these companies they

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>weren't going to post an ad, and then someone takes

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a screenshot of that ad appearing next to an image

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>with child abuse in it. That would be absolutely horrible

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>on every level. But that same decision to restrict adult

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>content meant a ton of folks would just stop using Tumblr,

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<v Speaker 1>So that also meant there were fewer people to advertise. Two, Like,

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the people who remained were still faithful to Tumblr, but

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>there weren't as many of them. The thirty percent drop

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>is a big drop, so this was a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>catch twenty two. Right, you're doing something to one tell

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>advertisers this is a safe space for you, but you're

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.719
<v Speaker 1>also telling them, but it means that we're losing thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the people you wanted to advertise to in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. To illustrate the decline, CNBC reported that

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen, a single day on Tumblr would say

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<v Speaker 1>users publish eighty four million posts at minimum, So on

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<v Speaker 1>the slowest day in twenty fourteen, there would still be

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<v Speaker 1>at least eighty four million posts pushed out to Tumblr.

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, the number of posts was down to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million, so less than half of what was being

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<v Speaker 1>posted in twenty fourteen, that was not the direction Tumblr

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<v Speaker 1>needed to go in in order to become a profitable business. Okay,

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not done with Tumblr yet. We've still got some

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<v Speaker 1>more to talk about, including another shift in ownership. But

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<v Speaker 1>first let's take a quick break. So Verizon had purchased

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<v Speaker 1>Tumblr in twenty seventeen as part of Yahoo. Right, so

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>really they bought Yahoo and with it came Tumblr. But

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Verizon's ownership of Tumblr did not last very long. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, Verizon sold Tumblr off to another company called Automatic.

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>This was a little ironic because Automatic is the company

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that operates word Press, the blogging tool WordPress, and way

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<v Speaker 1>back when Karp was first ide eight ing on Tumblr,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was first thinking what would Tumblr be, WordPress

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<v Speaker 1>was often held up as sort of the contrast to

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<v Speaker 1>what he wanted because Carp saw WordPress as complicated. He

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<v Speaker 1>thought it wasn't very user friendly. It took a lot

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of work to make stuff look good on WordPress. He

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<v Speaker 1>also noted that it was geared more toward long form

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>content generation, so not meant for microblogging. So in a way,

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you could say that Karp created Tumblr to be kind

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of an opposite to WordPress in some ways. And now

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the company that operated WordPress would also own Tumblr, so

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit ironic, I guess, in at least the

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Atlantis Morisset kind of way. And to twist the knife

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, there's also the price that Automatic allegedly

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>paid for Tumblr. So the actual amount was never disclosed publicly,

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>but rumor mill but the sales price for Tumblr at

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<v Speaker 1>around three million dollars. So remember Yahoo had purchased Tumbler

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<v Speaker 1>way back in twenty thirteen for one point one billion,

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and then six years later it sold for just three

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>million dollars to Automatic. Clearly, Verizon, just like Yahoo, had

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<v Speaker 1>trouble finding a way to operate Tumblr that was either

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<v Speaker 1>profitable or attractive to users, or preferably both. So would

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Automatic succeed where Yahoo and Verizon had stumbled? Well, so far,

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the answer to that question has been not so much.

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>To be fair to Automatic, the company has had to

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<v Speaker 1>focus primarily on fixing issues like bugs for the last

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>couple of years because under Verizon's ownership it wasn't really

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>looked after very well. Tumblr was kind of an afterthought.

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 1>So well, they've had to spend at least a couple

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>of years trying to get things to run correctly. And

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>then also to introduce some new features. So their goal

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>was really to improve the core experience for users and

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>then try to find ways to make Tumblr more of

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<v Speaker 1>a revenue generator. Interestingly, while much of the old guard

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of Tumblr has since moved on to other platforms, younger

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>users have adopted Tumblr in increasing numbers over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>In a September twenty twenty two article, CNBC reporter Leah

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<v Speaker 1>Collins wrote that sixty percent of Tumblr's users are Generation Z.

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>These are the same users that companies like Meta and

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Twitter are trying to attract and to retain. It's possible

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that the things that set Tumblr apart from most other

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 1>social platforms are the features that appeal to younger users

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>in general. For example, on like Instagram or Facebook or Twitter,

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Tumblr organizes posts chronologically, not algorithmically, so you actually see

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff in the reverse order of when it was posted,

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to you see it in the order that

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>the platform has decided you need to see it. Also, again,

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 1>it gets away from that influencer culture. Everything is under pseudonyms,

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>it's not under personalities as much, and so you're kind

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of away from the whole sort of I don't know,

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to call it fake, but at least

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>at times disingenuous environment of influencer culture. I will never

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>think of myself as an influencer, which I think is

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>on the safe side. I don't know that I'm that influential,

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>but I certainly don't want to be the kind of

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>person who's, you know, trying to orchestrate a perfect moment

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>for camera and assume make everyone assume that that's what

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.959
<v Speaker 1>my life is all the time and try and sell

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff based off that. That's just not for me. I

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>would be terrible at it if I even tried so,

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>but I have no desire to try, and I think

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who flocked to Tumblr are kind

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>of tired of that whole approach to social media in

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the first place. But this doesn't change the fact that

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Tumblr isn't exactly acting like a gold mine. Earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 1>a leaked memo from Automatic showed that the company was

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<v Speaker 1>reorganizing and shifting some teams away from Tumblr to work

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>at other divisions within Automatic. Matt Mullenwegg, who is this

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>CEO of Automatic, later confirmed this news and said that quote,

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 1>we have not gotten the expected results from our effort,

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>which was to have Tumbler's revenue and usage above its

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 1>previous peaks end quote. Mullen Weg said that his teams

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>had put in more than six hundred person years of

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>effort into Tumblr since purchasing the company, and I guess

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>there just has to come a time where you say

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the return on investment just isn't there and you have

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>to scale back or else you're going to just lose

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>tons of money. Now, to be clear, Tumblr isn't necessarily

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>on the chopping block. It's not like it's going to

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>get sold off for parts necessarily. I mean, maybe it will,

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't appear to be the current plan. Mullen

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Wegg says that the plan is for his team to

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>really focus on improving the core functionality of Tumblr in

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, and that one function that might get

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>an overhaul or maybe will get phased out completely is

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a live streaming video feature that Automatic introduced into Tumblr

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>last year called Tumblr Live. Apparently, the site has not

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 1>seen widespread adoption the app or Tumblr has not seen

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of adoption of Tumblr Live, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't taken off the way that Automatic had hoped. Mullen

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Wegg indicated that the company would try their darness to

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.359
<v Speaker 1>get folks to use live before the end of the year,

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>that that is part of their contractual obligation. But if

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen, then in January they're going to re

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<v Speaker 1>assess the feature and make a decision as to whether

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 1>or not it even belongs in Tumblr at all. And

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>it sounds to me like Tumblr Live is on borrowed time.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other features that Automatic introduced since their acquisition

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, and they've also seen some pretty poor

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>adoption or in some cases outright opposition from users. So

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 1>mullen Wegg is indicated the next year, Tumblr is likely

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>going to scale down a bit, shed some of these

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>features and maybe roll back other ones, and really focus

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>just on creating the core elements of what makes Tumblr

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>work and to make those better. The smaller team will

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>also reduce the cost of operating Tumblr in the first place,

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.359
<v Speaker 1>which is important because mullen Wegg indicated the site has

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>yet to make more money than it costs to run.

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think each owner of Tumblr, maybe not to

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of Verizon Verizon was buying all of Yahoo,

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>but Yah and Automatic. I think both of these companies

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>thought they saw in Tumblr a way to turn things

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>around and to monetize things in a way that would

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 1>make both users and advertisers happy. But no one has

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>quite landed on the working formula yet. Doesn't mean that

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>it is impossible or that they won't figure it out.

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 1>But that's been mostly Tumblr's history since it's acquisitioned by

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Yahoo back in twenty thirteen. An interesting story. Tumblr's an

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>interesting platform, one that I never really got that much into.

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I was too old by the time Tumblr

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>had come out to really vibe with the culture of Tumblr.

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm an old fogie and younger communities, with their own

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>languages and their own values and philosophies, are often at

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 1>a disconnect with my own, Which is not saying that

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>those communities are bad or that I'm bad, just that

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't line up because I'm old. I still don't

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:12.320
<v Speaker 1>really understand what no cap means. Someone tell me before

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>I go sit in the rocking chair for the rest

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of the day. But anyway, that is the rundown on

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Tumblr so far. I hope that they do see a renaissance.

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously, younger communities find value in Tumblr, and

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there is value in it being in operation,

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 1>there just has to be a way to cover the

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>costs of that operation or else Ultimately it will go away.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>No one's going to run it out of just a

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 1>charitable desire to give young people a place where they

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>can find themselves. That just isn't how the world works unfortunately. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all for today. I hope you're all well, and

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