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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale, Allly, he is Matt Williamson and Matt um.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this one or not,

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Speaker 1: but Mark Sessler, who does his quarterback index on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com, has broken down all sixty when it was

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Speaker 1: the sixties sixty eight guys who ended up playing quarterback

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Speaker 1: this year in the NFL and ranked in from one

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Speaker 1: to go through. I did a lot of quarterbacks played

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Speaker 1: this year, A lot a lot of quarterbacks. Were they

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Speaker 1: all starters? I forget what the magic number was of

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Speaker 1: how many starters are ended up being. I think it

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Speaker 1: was sixty eight, Yeah, yeah, I was. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was right under seventy. Yeah. Yeah. So at number sixty

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Speaker 1: he had Anthony Brown of the Ravens. Okay, we can

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Speaker 1: probably hustle through these. At sixty seven was Kyle Allen

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Speaker 1: of the Texans. At sixty six, Sam Ellinger of the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five was Trace McSorley of the Cardinals. Gods uh,

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Speaker 1: sixty four was Davis Webb of the Giants. M sixty

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Speaker 1: three Jeff driscol of the Texans. Texans have a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys here in the sixty two Nathan Peterman. This

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Speaker 1: is why when we did to Mike clay list the

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Speaker 1: other day, Yeah, he had some of these guys ranked

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Speaker 1: ahead of Mason Rudolph. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Like Nathan Nathan Peterman

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Speaker 1: played three games as she appeared in three games this year,

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Speaker 1: completed fifty six of his passes for a hundred thirty

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Speaker 1: one interception. Horrible. Yeah, um sixty one. John Wolford of

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Speaker 1: the Rams, Yeah sixty. Bryce Perkins of the Rams. The

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Speaker 1: Rams are a team that really need to upgrade their

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Speaker 1: backup spot. I mean that's one of the stars and

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Speaker 1: scrub issues, you know, is they have they have to

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Speaker 1: too many big name guys in the middle class, including

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Fifty nine. Tell me if this is

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Speaker 1: too rough on this guy, Zack Wilson, Wow, I'm actually

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Speaker 1: looking at the list. Most times we do list, you

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Speaker 1: us have your laptop in front of you, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of stared up in the space. But we're recording

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Speaker 1: this one remotely, so I have my laptop two and

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Speaker 1: I saw this one coming and immediately thought, man, that's rough.

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Speaker 1: He's a lot better than Perkins and Wolford and borderline

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Speaker 1: NFL players. Then I scrolled up a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: we're starting to get in the neighborhood. That's where he belongs.

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Speaker 1: Like these are NFL quarterbacks. The guys in the sixties

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Speaker 1: really weren't. But these fifties dudes. Is where Wilson belongs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fifty eight is Brian Hoyer. He might he's more talented.

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Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer. Of course he's more talented. But one games,

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Speaker 1: and I mean I watched him at Saint Ignatius High

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Speaker 1: School twenty five years ago. Brian ware through for thirty

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Speaker 1: seven yards in two thousand twenty two and made one

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Speaker 1: point seven million dollars. Yeah, good gig. Yeah. Uh at

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Speaker 1: fifty seven Nick Foles, okay, fifty six David Blow Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh fifty five Malick Willis, I might have him ahead

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Speaker 1: of Wilson. Is more apples, Dad, And I like Malik Willis,

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Speaker 1: and I still like malink Willis, But it's all about

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Speaker 1: the potential. Yeah, if he has judged what they put

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Speaker 1: on tape this year, Willis and Wills and we're both

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Speaker 1: really bad Willis is probably worse, probably, but comparing you

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Speaker 1: the one to Brian Hoyer is almost like, I mean

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Speaker 1: his apples oranges. You can get the court position. Fifty

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Speaker 1: four Trevor Simeon. He's a life time number two. That's gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, put a lot of money in the banquets,

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Speaker 1: all said and done. Yeah. Fifty three Brett Rippian, okay.

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Speaker 1: Fifty two Tyler Huntley. This is where Tyler Huntley belongs. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: he didn't belong anywhere near a Pro Bowl. He I

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Speaker 1: thought he was much better two years ago than he

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Speaker 1: was his past year. And he's a backup at the Beast.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a middle Mason. Rudolf's better than Tyler Huntley. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Fifty one Joe Flacco Okay, fifty Jared's Stidham. I still

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Speaker 1: have a little hope for Stidham. I don't he's okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but he's not a starter. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine Skyler Thompson. That's too high on Skyler thoms

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Speaker 1: A little nice to him, yeah, forty eight p J.

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Speaker 1: Walker okay. Seven Bailey Zappy. That's where Bailey Zappy belongs.

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Speaker 1: It is, but he had a better year than any

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Speaker 1: of these guys. He did. There's no doubt he's not

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Speaker 1: list if we're drafting dudes. But his tape was good.

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Speaker 1: Forty six Sam, How we only have to see one

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Speaker 1: with forty quarterbacks on the planet i'd rather have than Josh.

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Speaker 1: But his tape was yeah. Forty four Davis Mills. I've

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Speaker 1: kind of done being an apologist for him. But but

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Speaker 1: if the Steelers cut Trabisky for some reason to save

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Speaker 1: him to be my number two, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: thirty two teams. Right right at forty three was Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 1: So Dallas had two guys better than all the Texans

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Speaker 1: As did teams forty two. Mike White, I guess he

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Speaker 1: had a better year than anyone we mentioned. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not on the Mike White. Uh one really good game

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes in one game, and then nothing against anybody else.

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Speaker 1: Forty one Gardner Minshew. He had one bad game and

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Speaker 1: did some good stuff and as a decent player like

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Speaker 1: mint Sho, is a great example of hitting the market

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Speaker 1: at the right time. Like, I'm not suggesting he's a starter,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that sixty eight dudes started this past year.

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Speaker 1: extra million that he's worth. Like the Rams would love

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Speaker 1: to have Gardner Minshew right exactly. Their season would have

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Speaker 1: been a little more respectable. A team like the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: some money to post at forty Cope McCoy, Like, I'll

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Speaker 1: think Minshew over McCoy. Yeah. At thirty nine Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: will anyone look at him as a starter? I don't

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Speaker 1: So he has the final rankings from their previous season.

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Speaker 1: If they're guys who have been around for a while.

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Speaker 1: So Baker Mayfield one ranking so he's thirty thirty, ninthier,

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Speaker 1: he was twenty five in. He had him eleven in,

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Speaker 1: his twelve. The world was in about Mayfield then, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what an amazing rookie year. He beat all these bad teams,

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Speaker 1: which was overblown. Yeah, first round pick is going to

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Speaker 1: be a stud. Uh. At thirty eight Sam Donald? Did

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Speaker 1: you foresee Sam Donald finishing ahead of Baker Mayfield? No,

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Speaker 1: but I would rather have Donald. He had a much

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Speaker 1: the Trabisky deal from somebody? Probably? I think that's where

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Speaker 1: Thirty five is Taylor Heineke. We had a better year

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Speaker 1: like invest in defense and say, Desmond, you got a

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Speaker 1: you can do it, especially in that division. Exactly, run

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Speaker 1: the ball like crazy, throw the pits in London, hopefully

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Speaker 1: throw the pits, and draft defense, you know. Yeah. Thirty

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Speaker 1: three Mitch Drobiskie. I guess that's fair. I mean, only

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Speaker 1: played seven games. Let's see who's ahead of them. Thirty

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Speaker 1: In two games he can played intent of his passes

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, I don't want nobody wants to give him credit.

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Speaker 1: But post coaching change he got better. But pre coaching change,

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Speaker 1: like he was like the worst starter in the elite.

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Speaker 1: So here are his rankings over the years. So in

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Speaker 1: his first year six, then he was eight, then he

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Speaker 1: was fourth, then he was ninth, fifth, sixth, third and

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Speaker 1: six and this year. Wow. I had a good conversation

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Speaker 1: today on the Peacock and Williamson podcast. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and we kind of talked about Wilson, Brady, Kyler

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Speaker 1: so broken. We talked about it all during all summer, right,

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Speaker 1: big Mac Jones fan coming out of Obama, and I

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Speaker 1: twenty six Jamie Winston, I forgot, he'n't played at all

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Speaker 1: in three games. Three games. Yeah. So will he get

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Speaker 1: a Tropisky type deal this year? Probably? I think he's

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Speaker 1: think yeah, regardless. I mean, are they gonna They pretty

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Speaker 1: much showed you last year that they didn't want him

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Speaker 1: to be their quarterback. I know they put him back

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Speaker 1: saw this today and like you, I take Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Focus with a grain as salt, but sometimes things stand out.

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Speaker 1: Did I go? Wow? So from Pro Football Focus from

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Speaker 1: week twelve on, amongst all NFL quarterbacks, the only one

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Speaker 1: with a higher passing grade and picket was Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean from week fourteen on he was number one.

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Speaker 1: is probably too low. Well, would rank him ahead of

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