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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: The Yankees on the brink. They were down five, they

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Speaker 2: come back and win it, and Aaron Judge goes three

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Speaker 2: for four, game tying home run and four runs batted in.

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Speaker 2: So far, he's seven for eleven in the series. The

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Speaker 2: home run that he hit, I won't say it's impossible,

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Speaker 2: but it's nearly impossible to turn on that pitch that

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Speaker 2: is so inside, it's out of the strike zone. And

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Speaker 2: I like that. You had people who were second guessing,

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Speaker 2: like why would you pitch to him? They didn't. He

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Speaker 2: was down oh two. They threw a great pitch inside

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Speaker 2: that most mortals will strike out on, and he turned

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Speaker 2: on a ninety nine mile an hour fastball that was

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Speaker 2: the only other person I've ever seen that was Barry Bonds.

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Speaker 2: Where it's inside, so inside, but he turned on it

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Speaker 2: and kept it fair and hit a home run. Magical, Magical,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be so. I know the votes are

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Speaker 2: already in, but I don't think there's a wrong choice

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Speaker 2: in MVP. And cal Raley hit a home run last night,

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Speaker 2: his sixty first on the year, and I just I

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Speaker 2: think this is going to be one of those really

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Speaker 2: really close votes and it'd be a shame. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if cal Raley ever gets this chance again. Aaron

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Speaker 2: Judge feels like, we'll get this chance again. But this

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Speaker 2: is one of those almost like Mike Greenwell, you remember

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Speaker 2: him with the Red Sox and he lost out I

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Speaker 2: think the Jose Canseco and then all the steroid stuff

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Speaker 2: came out and Mike Greenwell was a really good player,

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Speaker 2: but he was never going to get a chance again.

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Speaker 2: It's a magical season, a magical season for the team

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Speaker 2: as well. And I had a baseball analyst who said,

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Speaker 2: how's baseball and baseball fans going to react if you

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Speaker 2: have the Blue Jays and the Mariners playing? You know that?

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Speaker 2: Are we going to be like, oh what are we

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Speaker 2: doing with our small market teams here? And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why we get We always come to

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Speaker 2: this conclusion like, oh, who's gonna watch? Like I don't care.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's you're getting to see some good baseball.

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Speaker 2: You're getting to see some big stars. And if it's Seattle,

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Speaker 2: it's a great story. Toronto is a great story as well.

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Speaker 2: I know we love the big markets, but Mariners are

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Speaker 2: up to one on Detroit and uh, you know, the

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Speaker 2: Yankees down to to one. You got the Dodgers who

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Speaker 2: might be able to sweep the Phillies coming up later

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Speaker 2: on tonight, and then the Brewers and the Cubs. Kind

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Speaker 2: of an oh, by the way series, but the Brewers

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Speaker 2: favored in that series.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, that's always that always kind of boggles me

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Speaker 3: when people talk about the small markets. Isn't it about big,

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Speaker 3: big time stars. Because you have Cal Rawley on one side,

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Speaker 3: and if it's the Blue Jays you have George Springer

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Speaker 3: and Vaguerrero Junior. Isn't that what you want? You want

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Speaker 3: big stars so people can see them instead of just

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Speaker 3: relying just on Dodgers and Yankees.

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Speaker 2: We don't do that in the NFL. Like green Bay's

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Speaker 2: the smallest market. If Green Bay goes to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: nobody's gonna complain. They're just not And I think we

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Speaker 2: get caught up in who's going to watch. You know,

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Speaker 2: Baseball struck gold last year with the Yankees and Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: even though it wasn't a competitive World Series. You had

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Speaker 2: the big markets, the big teams. But all I want

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Speaker 2: to see is great, you know, we get to March

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Speaker 2: madness I don't know. Do you really care if Butler

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Speaker 2: Final four. I think if you get good matchups, that's

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Speaker 2: all we're asking for. And a lot of times you

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Speaker 2: can even have the big markets like we did last

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Speaker 2: year and LA won four out of the five games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paulie, But I think the issue is, and I love,

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Speaker 4: I don't care who's in the World Series, I'm gonna watch.

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Speaker 4: But when you have a World Series where it's like

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Speaker 4: the Diamondbacks, it's almost like work for the casual fan.

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Speaker 4: You have to learn the players, you have to learn

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Speaker 4: the manager. When you have Yankees versus the Dodgers in

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Speaker 4: the World Series, you know the stars already and you

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Speaker 4: know the history of these franchises. It's like going into

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Speaker 4: a movie where you know the entire cast, as opposed

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Speaker 4: to like an independent film. It's more work when there's

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But if I go back to Arizona when they had

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Speaker 2: knew that team, We knew those stars. I think sometimes

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Speaker 2: you'll get a smaller market or a less covered team.

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Speaker 2: You know Rangers two years ago, and people probably didn't

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Speaker 2: up in, you know, the ratings. The Blue Jays and

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Speaker 2: Mariners both came into the American League in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: seven as expansion teams, and here they are on the

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Speaker 2: cusp of moving on to the championship series. All right,

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Speaker 2: seton pull question today, at least for the first hour.

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Speaker 6: Let's see you want to start. How about we start

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Speaker 6: football wise. This one's from Marvin after the Joe Flacco trade,

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Speaker 6: what should the realistic expectations for the Bengals be Division title,

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Speaker 6: wild card, AFC Championship game or no playoffs?

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Speaker 2: Well, they have two wins, so I would say, you know,

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Speaker 2: a playoff appearance that you know, Flacco obviously is nowhere

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Speaker 2: near Joe Burrow, but you still have these offensive weapons

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Speaker 2: and he will at least be able to take advantage

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Speaker 2: of them, far more than Jake Browning did. I would

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Speaker 2: say wild card because I don't know what the Ravens

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Speaker 2: going to do, and the Steelers are going to be

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Speaker 2: a playoff team. I don't know if they're a great team.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm a Bengal fan, I have to be

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Speaker 2: realistic and say, can we get nine wins? Can we

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Speaker 2: get ten wins? And I'd say yeah, I'd say that's realistic.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we want to be fair to Dave Simms,

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Speaker 2: the Yankee play by play voice. He was with us

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Speaker 2: yesterday and Fritzi, of course, had issues with Dave and

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Speaker 2: his lack of enthusiasm on a Vlad Guerrero grand slam.

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Speaker 2: Here is Dave Simms on the Aaron Judge home run

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 7: There's the pitch, high flight ball the left field, down

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Speaker 6: It is off the fair pole. Hey, now, hey, now, hey,

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Speaker 6: now forever got this game is tired?

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Speaker 1: It's six sex.

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Speaker 2: Did you want him to sound like that for vide Guerrero?

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Speaker 2: That's what the fans want.

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Speaker 8: Did he hear?

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Speaker 9: It was a huge moment for the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you wanted enthusiasm for Vlad Guerrero the visits.

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Speaker 7: I would understand if he didn't have quite that much

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Speaker 7: this enthusiasm for the other team. I could appreciate that

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Speaker 2: Uh, nice call. That was tough to see though, it's

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Speaker 2: the batter's box. He's like, well, it's either a home

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Speaker 2: about I got to hustle into second base with a

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Speaker 2: stand up double. But all right, see back to our

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Speaker 2: regularly scheduled programming.

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Speaker 6: The pole question, Yeah, the other pole question is we

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Speaker 6: haven't had one of these in a while. From paul A,

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Speaker 6: bathroom can wait most BCW in sports right now or

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Speaker 6: just in baseball, maybe Judge Otani Raley other.

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Speaker 2: So bathroom can wait when they're at the plate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're at the plate and you really got to

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Speaker 6: go to the bathroom. And she's like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: At bat Well, Judge definitely, Judge. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: cal Rawly has entered that picture. Maybe it's a temporary

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Speaker 2: bathroom can wait for him, but Aaron Judge definitely, it's

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Speaker 2: just I think just seeing him at the plate. Somebody

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Speaker 2: This is years ago and Paulie was bringing this up

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Speaker 2: that we were talking about tall guys who have long

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Speaker 2: to get around on that fastball. You know, that's big

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Speaker 2: looping swing. And but Aaron Judge has been so good

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Speaker 2: that he used to go for. Now he knows exactly

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Speaker 2: what the strike zone is. And that is the I

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Speaker 2: mean a credit to him, because, yeah, as you get older,

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Speaker 2: your swing is going to slow down, but you you

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Speaker 2: have to be able to somehow compromise what you're going

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Speaker 2: can't help you can't help the pitcher by widening your

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Speaker 2: strike zone. And that's what I think he did earlier

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Speaker 2: in his career. Yeah, Paulin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at Aaron Judge after the age

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Speaker 4: of thirty, every year his strike cuts are going down

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Speaker 4: and his walks are going up. His eye is getting better.

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Speaker 4: His stats after age thirty are better than his stats

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impressive though, when he comes to the plate

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Speaker 2: and he's played a great series here, this is what

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Speaker 2: we wanted, This is what you want out of your

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Speaker 2: MVP candidates. What else do we have, Seaton?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're throwing those two up right now. As we speak,

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Speaker 6: the Joe Flacco Floco and uh.

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Speaker 4: Is it Floco or Flacco fla.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Fla.

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Speaker 6: I think it's Flacco.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say it.

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Speaker 2: You might have been right. Yeah, like flo he says flocko.

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Speaker 2: He does, It's Joe Flaka Joe Flocko. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I think PAULI called this when the Browns were going

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Speaker 2: to go to Dylan Gabriel and we wondered what was

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Speaker 2: going to happen. I think it's more than giving too

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Speaker 4: No, probably too much credit. I just remember talking about it.

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Speaker 4: We were discussing why didn't the Bengals go after Russ

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Speaker 4: Wilson when he got benched, and then we said, as

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Speaker 4: soon as Dylan Gabriel got to start, they should just

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Speaker 4: ship Joe Flacco across the state.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, I mean it's interesting. You know, I'm sure,

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Speaker 2: I'm probably sure that he would just drive down to

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati take you know, three and a half hours or so,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it's an upgrade going to Cincinnati over Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: of course, my hometown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, Now, if you're the Browns that you lived

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Speaker 4: in the state, Dan, any chance you're helping out your

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Speaker 4: cross state rival here or is.

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Speaker 2: It no danger? No, no, you are helping them. Shouldn't

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Speaker 2: do that? Well, I think it all well, So this

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Speaker 2: is what the Browns should have done to begin with.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to have these young quarterbacks, let these

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks have a chance to prove if they can play

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Speaker 2: or not. And you know, you got Flacco and maybe

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Speaker 2: he did help these guys prepare. Now they've gotten to

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Speaker 2: the point. I just want to see if they can play,

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Speaker 2: because I don't want this to be a situation where

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Speaker 2: at the end of the season the Browns are going

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Speaker 2: to go into the draft and take a quarterback and

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Speaker 2: these kids didn't get a chance to really play. And

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel played pretty well in London. Maybe Shoudoor Sanders

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Speaker 2: gets a chance to play as well. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: for everybody who said, oh boy, there's a quarterback rich

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Speaker 2: draft coming up, I don't know about that. It feels

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Speaker 2: like every year it's that next year, that quarterback draft.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's deep. I don't know if a quarterback is

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Speaker 2: going number one overall this year. I get the feeling

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Speaker 11: your way up, like as a TV guy CNN and

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Speaker 11: ESPN and Sports Center and everything.

438
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Speaker 9: I came a different route.

439
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Speaker 11: I came from sort of the traditional you call this

440
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Speaker 11: number right now and let's have this argument.

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Speaker 9: So I go back to the ones that were just

442
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Speaker 9: like on.

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Speaker 11: A slow day, you just throw this question out and

444
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 11: they would do your show for you. So the big

445
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Speaker 11: one in the nineties was does Pete Rose belong in

446
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Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame or not?

447
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Speaker 9: So I don't know if it frustrates me.

448
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Speaker 11: But it's a question that people are so divided on

449
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Speaker 11: the people on either side of it feel so strongly

450
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Speaker 11: and passionately about their respective sides. And this, of course

451
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Speaker 11: was long before Pete died, so that it was a

452
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Speaker 11: really good, fun, easy debate to throw out there. The

453
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Speaker 11: Michael versus Lebron thing, now, I guess, is sort of

454
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Speaker 11: this generation's debate. And I can tell you that my

455
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 11: son is a crazy basketball fan, grew up playing nothing

456
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Speaker 11: but basketball.

457
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Speaker 9: He's twenty two and he never stops telling me that

458
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Speaker 9: Lebron is the great player of all time.

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Speaker 11: And you know it makes me crazy, but you just

460
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Speaker 11: have to have seen it. I will forever be a

461
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Speaker 11: Michael guy. I remember sitting with you in the bowels

462
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Speaker 11: of the old Chicago Stadium when I was covering those

463
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Speaker 11: Bulls teams because I worked locally in Chicago and you

464
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Speaker 11: would be in town to cover the finals.

465
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Speaker 9: And you'll remember hanging out with.

466
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Speaker 11: Like Terry Bores and Jesse Rodgers, all those guys you

467
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Speaker 11: used to hang out with, and those were my friends,

468
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Speaker 11: and so you were there.

469
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Speaker 9: And I was like, Wow, Dan Patrick is here, and I.

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Speaker 11: Would just sit at the table and listen Anyway, the

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Speaker 11: point is I always tell younger people, if you didn't

472
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Speaker 11: watch Michael Jordan play, then I can understand why you

473
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Speaker 11: don't know the answer to this question.

474
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Speaker 9: But maybe the best way I can explain it is

475
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Speaker 9: if there was one game of.

476
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Speaker 11: Basketball being played and my life depended upon the outcome,

477
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Speaker 11: I would pick Michael Jordan first, and then I would

478
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Speaker 11: make whatever plans you want to make for the extended future,

479
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Speaker 11: because he was going to find a way to win

480
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Speaker 11: better than anyone else would. So anyway, those are the

481
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Speaker 11: two that jumped to my mind when you ask the question.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if it's exactly what you meant, but

483
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Speaker 11: that's sort of where my head went.

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Speaker 2: But do you provide information? Does Heimbo provide information so

485
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Speaker 2: you can win your sports debates?

486
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Speaker 5: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 11: That's the idea here is that our debates, particularly in

488
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Speaker 11: the second book and in this one as well, every

489
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Speaker 11: argument we.

490
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Speaker 9: Make is based on all of this data.

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Speaker 11: I mean, in this day and age, there was so

492
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Speaker 11: much data and information that's available inside and outside of

493
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Speaker 11: sports that we're not really debating.

494
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Speaker 9: We're telling you.

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Speaker 11: The data says these four people are the best, or

496
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Speaker 11: the data says this guy was the best at this

497
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Speaker 11: or that now, as you and I both know, no

498
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Speaker 11: matter how weld you, I think younger people have a

499
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Speaker 11: greater appreciation of data now than people our age. But

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Speaker 11: at the same time, no one, I don't think anyone

501
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Speaker 11: thinks that the numbers tell the entire story. You know,

502
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Speaker 11: there's a science to it, and that's really what is

503
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Speaker 11: provided in the book.

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Speaker 9: Hopefully the writing adds.

505
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Speaker 11: A little bit of the art to it, because in

506
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Speaker 11: the judgment of anything, there's both of those. But yes,

507
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Speaker 11: every single argument that we make in all three of

508
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Speaker 11: the books, and especially this one, because we're literally talking

509
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Speaker 11: about four people from one hundred and twenty four different teams,

510
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Speaker 11: every single one of them is based, for the most

511
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Speaker 11: part on the research that Heimbo does, which on some

512
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Speaker 11: level is almost indisputable.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Mike Greenberg, he has a new book out.

514
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Speaker 2: It's called Got Your Legends, ranking America's sports franchises and

515
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Speaker 2: their most iconic figures. Give me the team that was

516
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Speaker 2: the toughest to come up with, it's Mount Rushmore.

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Speaker 11: Well, the toughest and easiest at the same time probably

518
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Speaker 11: was the top team, which is the Yankees, Which is to.

519
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Speaker 9: Say, when you do the Mount Rushmore of the Yankees,

520
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Speaker 9: the people you're leaving off.

521
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Speaker 11: If you pick the top four people that you're leaving off,

522
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Speaker 11: they would probably be better than the Mount Rushmore of

523
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Speaker 11: almost any other team in sports.

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Speaker 9: So for I'll just tell you that.

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Speaker 11: Four people not on the Yankees Mount Rushmore are the

526
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Speaker 11: only player ever unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame,

527
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Speaker 11: which is Mariano Rivera, the face of the sport for

528
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Speaker 11: two decades, which is Derek Jeter, the player who won

529
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Speaker 11: the most World Series of any in history, which is

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Speaker 11: Yogi Bera, And the most infamous, notorious, significant important owner

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Speaker 11: in sports for a generation, which is George Steinbrenner.

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Speaker 9: So that foursome would probably be as almost.

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Speaker 11: As good as just about once you get passed like

534
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Speaker 11: the you know, the Lakers and a few of the others, that.

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Speaker 9: Would probably be better than the Mount Rushmore of any

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Speaker 9: other team.

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Speaker 11: But the Yankees had Babe Ruth, Luke Garrit, Joe Demanagio,

538
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Speaker 11: and Mickey Mantle, and so there's just no in my opinion,

539
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Speaker 11: there's no debating those. So that was it was both

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Speaker 11: It was painful to leave the people off that we

541
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Speaker 11: left off, but it was easy to choose I'll tell

542
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Speaker 11: you what was hard, because we did include some announcers

543
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Speaker 11: like Vin Scully is on the Dodgers Mount Rushmore, Bob

544
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Speaker 11: Yuker is on the Milwaukee Brewers Mount Rushmore. But we

545
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Speaker 11: decided in all cases we would break a tie in

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Speaker 11: the favor of players. There were managers, there were coaches,

547
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Speaker 11: there were executives. But in all cases, if oh, the

548
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Speaker 11: light just went out of my office.

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Speaker 9: Because I didn't move hold on a second, let me sorry.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know that would happen.

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Speaker 2: Hold On, times are tough there at the Mothership.

552
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Speaker 11: Just yes, if they think they think the office is empty,

553
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Speaker 11: sorry about that.

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Speaker 9: Leaving like Jack Buck off of the Saint Louis.

555
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Speaker 11: I've had a lot of people from Saint Louis that

556
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Speaker 11: are mad that we left Jack Buck off of the

557
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Speaker 11: Cardinals list and some of the other anouncers that if

558
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Speaker 11: we were going to include any announces, we should have

559
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Speaker 11: gone all the way and put on those like Ernie

560
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Speaker 11: Harwell isn't on the Tiger's List, and Jack buck isn't

561
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Speaker 11: on the Cardinals list, and there are a few others.

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Speaker 9: And again, that was really and we write about it.

563
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Speaker 11: I mean I write chapters on every one of these,

564
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Speaker 11: so their names are mentioned in all of them. But

565
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Speaker 11: those were tough decisions to make. I'll tell you another one.

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Speaker 11: I have some Green Bay Packer fans, like people who

567
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Speaker 11: really know the history of that franchise that are upset

568
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Speaker 11: that we didn't include Curly Lambeau.

569
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Speaker 9: And we do write a lot about him.

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Speaker 11: Obviously his name is on the stadium, but we I mean,

571
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Speaker 11: you had to put Lombardi on the list, and then

572
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Speaker 11: we put the three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: It just seems You've.

574
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Speaker 11: Got Bart Starr, you got Brett Fave, you got Aaron Rodgers,

575
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Speaker 11: all the MVPs that they won. Stars still has the

576
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Speaker 11: best postseason winning record of any quarterback in history and

577
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Speaker 11: is the only quarterback in the modern era to win

578
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Speaker 11: three straight championships. People think it's never been done, but

579
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Speaker 11: that's wrong. They just didn't call it the super Bowl

580
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Speaker 11: when he won the first of those three, but he

581
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Speaker 11: won three in a row.

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Speaker 9: It felt like those three had to be on.

583
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Speaker 11: But there are a lot of people who think, if

584
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Speaker 11: you don't include Curly Lambeau, you're making a mistake.

585
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Speaker 9: So we've had a lot of pushback.

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Speaker 11: You know, they're really passionate fans of different places will

587
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 11: have pretty strong opinions.

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Speaker 2: I know that you're a pronounced Jets fan, but oh god,

589
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: now I don't have any allegiance anymore. When I got

590
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Speaker 2: to Sports Center, I shed my allegiance to anything with

591
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Speaker 2: the Bengals or the Reds. I just it was easier

592
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Speaker 2: for me to do it that way. But you go

593
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Speaker 2: to work on that much after a Sunday with the

594
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Speaker 2: Jets or after I mean, there's sports depression, but you

595
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: still have to do your job, like there's no loss

596
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: that affects me with the Reds or the Bengals, the

597
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 2: teams that I grew up rooting for where I go

598
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: into that next day, But you do. You just absorb

599
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: it like you are, you conditioned. You just go, Okay,

600
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: this is what it means to be a Jets fan.

601
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Speaker 9: At this point.

602
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Speaker 11: I think my sports soul is calloused enough to sort

603
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Speaker 11: of absorb that the depression that is being a Jet fan.

604
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Speaker 9: It's interesting because I host two different.

605
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Speaker 11: Shows, and this has always been my philosophy. Dan, and

606
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure how you see it, but when you're

607
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Speaker 11: hosting a show like Sports Center, as you did for

608
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Speaker 11: all those years, as well as anyone ever did, or

609
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Speaker 11: in my case, when I host the Sunday Morning Countdown

610
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 11: show or when I host the NFL Draft, those are

611
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 11: shows people are not watching because I'm on them. They're

612
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 11: watching them because they're fans of the sport. When I

613
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 11: was hosting the NBA, they're watching because they're of the sport.

614
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Speaker 11: No one but my mother is watching because they want

615
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 11: to hear what I have to say. And so in

616
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Speaker 11: those cases, I don't bring my fandom to that conversation

617
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Speaker 11: at all.

618
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Speaker 9: I don't treat the Jets or any other.

619
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Speaker 11: Team that I pay attention to any differently than I

620
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 11: do any other team on talk shows that are.

621
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Speaker 9: My own shows.

622
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Speaker 11: So when we were doing Mike and Mike or now

623
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 11: when I do get up, I figure the reason people

624
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 11: are watching is because of your personality. It is because

625
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 11: of who you are. They're tuning in to hear what

626
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 11: you have to say about things. And in those like

627
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 11: that's how I got to this. I didn't play, you know,

628
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 11: I didn't I was I'm not a former athlete.

629
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 9: I'm just a fan. I'm just a cute who.

630
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 11: Grew up loving sports in the nineteen seventies, and those

631
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 11: are my teams. So I've never made any secret. I

632
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 11: don't know if I've ever told you this, but the

633
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 11: way that started was your friend and mine, Robin Roberts

634
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 11: on the Old on a Saturday morning sports center. Right

635
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 11: before Robin left to do GMA, I was hosting a

636
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Speaker 11: Saturday morning Sports center with her, and the Jets were

637
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 11: playing a playoff game that night. And this was before

638
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 11: there was Mike and Mike, This before any of that,

639
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 11: and I had never acknowledged what team I rooted for.

640
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 11: I would have thought that that would be totally Forbotten,

641
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 11: that I would, you know, Norby would call me in

642
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 11: and fire me if that came up on the air.

643
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Speaker 9: And in my own little private way, I wore a

644
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Speaker 9: green tie that day. That's it.

645
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 11: Said nothing of it, just as wearing a green tie.

646
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 11: And then in one of those little moments that you

647
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 11: have for chit chat on Sports Center, you know where

648
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 11: they would be like that little interaction, Robin says, greeny, I.

649
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Speaker 9: See that green tie. Obviously you got that on for

650
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Speaker 9: the big Jets game tonight.

651
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Speaker 11: And I thought, oh my god, this is the worst

652
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Speaker 11: thing that's ever happened to me. Here I am, I'm

653
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Speaker 11: anchoring ESPN News five days a week. They put me

654
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 11: on Sports Center, like once a month, I'm getting this chance,

655
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Speaker 11: and now I'm getting, you know, outed as a fan

656
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Speaker 11: of a team.

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Speaker 9: This is going to be the worst.

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Speaker 11: Thing that ever happened to me. And obviously nothing terrible happened.

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Speaker 11: And then it wasn't until we started doing Mike and

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Speaker 11: Mike that I thought, well, what am I going to

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Speaker 11: sit here talking about? You know, like, what is the

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Speaker 11: We can't just sit here and analyze in a dry

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Speaker 11: way all the ex's and of all these games. People

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Speaker 11: want to hear what your passion is. So we talked

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Speaker 11: about that, and there's no question I talk about the

666
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Speaker 11: Jets differently than I do other bad teams in the sport.

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Speaker 11: It's just the way it's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go, Fritzi, who you know well,

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Speaker 2: wants to try out as an announcer for Get Up

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Speaker 2: and he has a get Up tease that he would

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Speaker 2: like to read for you. So Todd, Todd, you ready,

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Speaker 2: let's do it?

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Speaker 9: Okay, good morning.

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Speaker 7: You thought the Yankees were done, but who are we

675
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Speaker 7: to judge? The captain spread some Tuesday night fever as

676
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Speaker 7: the Bronx bombers are staying alive. It took a while

677
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Speaker 7: to get things racing in the Motor City and then

678
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Speaker 7: Seattle slew did Lebron make the wrong decision again? Wait

679
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Speaker 7: until you Henna see the reaction would be a sobering

680
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Speaker 7: end for the Cubs with old Milwaukee brotherly glove? Can

681
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Speaker 7: the Fills catch up with those artful Dodgers? And angry

682
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Speaker 7: Bird is fined in Arizona? And are you fine with

683
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Speaker 7: Jerry's bird flip explanation? If a puck dropped on the

684
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Speaker 7: ice and no one saw it, did it really happen? Yes,

685
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Speaker 7: the NHL is underway and he got rescued from the

686
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Speaker 7: dog pat in Cleveland by Cincinnati will tell you why.

687
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Speaker 7: It's not whack though for the Bengals to buy into Flaco,

688
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Speaker 7: it's time to get up.

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Speaker 11: That is very well done, Fritzy. You only missed one thing. Somehow,

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Speaker 11: some way. You have to get the cowboys in. I

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Speaker 11: mean you can't. We can't possibly do it.

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Speaker 2: It's true, you can't. Well, no, we have Jerry's Jerry

693
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Speaker 2: flipping off the crowd. So we did squeeze in a cowboy.

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Speaker 2: Didn't get Dack in, but you got you got Jerry.

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Speaker 11: And oh I miss I must have been laughing over

696
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Speaker 11: that one.

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Speaker 9: That's extraordinarily well done. I will steal most of those

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Speaker 9: puns from you. I particularly like Seattle slew. That one

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Speaker 9: goes for those who remember. That's a very well played one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks but uh, Greene, good to talk to you, Good

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Speaker 2: luck with the book, and thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 9: Great to see you call. It is a delight to

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Speaker 9: be on. Great to see you, Dan and everybody, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Greenie.

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Speaker 2: Marvin sent me a note last night when he realized

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Rollins was going to join us, and he said,

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Speaker 2: you know that Jimmy wore air jordans. Was he the

711
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Speaker 2: first baseball player to wear air jordans? Marvin?

712
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Speaker 3: I think I think it was Derek Gear, but I

713
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Speaker 3: think Jimmy Ronalds was a part of the next wave

714
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Speaker 3: like him and CC Sabbathian guys like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's ask Jimmy. The National League Divisional Series

716
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Speaker 2: continues on TBS. Game three Brewers Cubs, that's a five

717
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Speaker 2: Eastern and then the Phillies at the Dodgers pregame coverage

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Speaker 2: starts at four point thirty with Jimmy Pedro, Curtis Granderson,

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Speaker 2: and the host Adam lefco Jimmy, good to have you

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Speaker 2: back on? Was Jeter the first to wear the air Jordan?

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Speaker 12: That is correct, Jita was the first, and I think

722
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 12: it was followed by Andrew, and they had a domination

723
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Speaker 12: on brand Jordan. No one else can really get in,

724
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Speaker 12: and then they finally opened up the floodgates and let

725
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Speaker 12: myself in CC.

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Speaker 5: I think we both came.

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Speaker 12: In around oait oh nine, around that time, and then

728
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Speaker 12: now it is a brand in baseball.

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Speaker 5: And it was a fun run to be with those guys.

730
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Speaker 2: What was it like first time you met Jordan?

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Speaker 12: You know they say when you meet someone and you're

732
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Speaker 12: in ahe and you know, I've met a number of people,

733
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Speaker 12: you don't really get that. It happened a couple of times.

734
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Speaker 12: The first time I met jay Z, the first time

735
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Speaker 12: you met Mike. But Mike breaks through that ice like

736
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Speaker 12: you know, he's Michael, and it's like do I say something?

737
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Speaker 5: You know, we talked trashy or all the stories.

738
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Speaker 12: So first time I ran in to him, I just

739
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 12: went up to him like, Mike, you know what's happened.

740
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Speaker 12: I didn't get the I didn't get my contract this year.

741
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Speaker 12: He looked at me. It's like, oh, you didn't get

742
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Speaker 12: the memo. All right, bet we'll make it happen. Two

743
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Speaker 12: years later I went into him again, like Mike, I

744
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 12: still don't have my cleats.

745
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Speaker 5: Next year I was in him.

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Speaker 2: Al Alan Iverson said, when he was around Jordan, Jordan

747
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Speaker 2: has a glow about him.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I agree, And then it's it's hard to explain

749
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Speaker 12: because do you physically see it. No, but there is

750
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 12: an aura and energy about him, and it's almost like

751
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Speaker 12: if you get too close, you step into his energy.

752
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Speaker 12: So you let there be that personal space. But you know,

753
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Speaker 12: but when the more you hang around him, you see him,

754
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Speaker 12: you understand.

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Speaker 5: He's just a guy. He loves that fun.

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Speaker 12: He serious about his business and obviously we know how

757
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Speaker 12: serious he is about his golf. But when you're in

758
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Speaker 12: his presence, be ready to talk trash, be ready to

759
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Speaker 12: be able to give it back because he like, he

760
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Speaker 12: likes that jabberin back and forth, and it's almost like

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Speaker 12: he's still in uniform, but his uniform has just changed.

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Speaker 2: Who is the Jordan in baseball? Or who was the Jordan.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we can say who is I mean, that's

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Speaker 12: show Hey, Show Hey is the Jordan in baseball as

765
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Speaker 12: we saw last year, you know, when he wasn't pitching,

766
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Speaker 12: he said, Okay, I can let me go out and

767
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Speaker 12: do a fifty to fifty campaign, and he went out

768
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Speaker 12: and did that Prior to that, he's one of the MVPs.

769
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Speaker 12: He's a cy young candidate if you really want to

770
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Speaker 12: put him, you know, on the mound all the time.

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Speaker 12: It's almost he can be whoever he wants when he wants.

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Speaker 12: And we saw that with Mike when he was playing,

773
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Speaker 12: when it was time to turn up the defense, he

774
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Speaker 12: would lock you down. But you know he was still

775
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Speaker 12: going out there scoring twenty eight, twenty nine, averaging and plus.

776
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Speaker 12: So when it comes to winning Show, Hay has a

777
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Speaker 12: lot more to do, but he's definitely on the right track.

778
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Speaker 12: He has a team and he's going to be the

779
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Speaker 12: guy that leads that team. Mike led the Bulls, he

780
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Speaker 12: did it for three straight seasons, took some years off

781
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Speaker 12: and go play minor league baseball, came back and won

782
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Speaker 12: three more.

783
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Speaker 5: That's the impact that show he has. He sells jerseys,

784
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Speaker 5: he moves.

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Speaker 12: He moves ticket prices, season holder season ticket holders will

786
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Speaker 12: for sure repurchase.

787
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Speaker 5: Those tickets as long as he's on that team.

788
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Speaker 12: And just what he's done for the game expanded it

789
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Speaker 12: globally the way Mike did for basketball.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy to see.

791
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Speaker 2: Did you make fun of Michael's baseball ability around him?

792
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Speaker 5: You know what?

793
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Speaker 12: I did not, because I understand how difficult it was,

794
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Speaker 12: and it was admirable that he went back to try

795
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Speaker 12: to go do something that he loved as a child. Now,

796
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Speaker 12: did he have the best wing, No, But I don't

797
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 12: think it was about that for Mike. Did he have

798
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Speaker 12: the best defense?

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think it was about that for Mike.

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Speaker 12: I think it was about attempting something that he had

801
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 12: put aside, for something that he was successful in, to

802
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 12: prove that he could also do it, not just on

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00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 12: the basketball court, but on a baseball field. Now did

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Speaker 12: it happen, No, it wasn't grateful the kids I got

805
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 12: to play with them, I think, so they got to

806
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 12: hang with the legend. They got to get on the

807
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Speaker 12: customized bus because you know those bus rides in between

808
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 12: minor league cities, know they can be something.

809
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Speaker 5: But being able to step away and.

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Speaker 12: I think he had to prove something to himself that

811
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Speaker 12: he can do anything that he put his mind to,

812
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 12: even if it's not the level that he wanted to achieve.

813
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 12: Going out there, putting yourself out there, being vulnerable, it's

814
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Speaker 12: something that if you're someone that wants to try something,

815
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Speaker 12: he's a great example.

816
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Speaker 5: You don't have to be the best. If you try,

817
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 5: anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: He's Jimmy Rollins. He's working with TBMs covering the nlds.

819
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Speaker 2: He's got Brewers Cubs, and then there'll be the Phillies

820
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Speaker 2: at the Dodgers. Everybody throws a hundred now right, nobody's

821
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: worried about striking out. Like you played in an era

822
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Speaker 2: where that walk of shame back to the dugout it hurt.

823
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Speaker 2: But these guys, you know, it's like, hey, I got

824
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Speaker 2: my cuts, man, so what if I struck out?

825
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Speaker 12: You know, my rookie year, I want to say I

826
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Speaker 12: strike out one hundred and like.

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Speaker 5: Ten or fifteen times.

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Speaker 12: When I got the spring tran in the next year,

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Speaker 12: John Vukevich came up to me, is like, we got

830
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Speaker 12: to work on this.

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Speaker 5: There's no way in.

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Speaker 12: The world you with your skills should strike out one

833
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Speaker 12: hundred times ever, and that became my mission to not

834
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Speaker 12: strike out one hundred times.

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Speaker 5: Because it was embarrassing.

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Speaker 12: Like I said, that walk of shame, it was we

837
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Speaker 12: understand striking out as part of the game, but as

838
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 12: the leadoff hitter, my job is to put the ball

839
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Speaker 12: in play, make something happen. Use must feed, as they

840
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 12: would like to say, and that's something I can argue against.

841
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Speaker 12: But in today's game, they want you to get your

842
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 12: a swing off twelve to fifteen times the game. And

843
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 12: they figure, you know, with the analytics that if you're

844
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Speaker 12: getting your aight swing off and you're doing this twelve

845
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Speaker 12: to fifteen times a game, that's going to correlate to

846
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 12: thirty to forty home runs with runners on.

847
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 5: How many more runs are you driving in et cetera.

848
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 12: But it's almost like they don't account for how many

849
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 12: bets you don't hit.

850
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Speaker 5: A home run.

851
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Speaker 12: If you hit fifty home runs, shoe Hay's done, you

852
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 12: hit sixty barriers, hit seventy three, there are still three

853
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 12: hundred four hundred at.

854
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: Best that you're not hitting the home run.

855
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 12: And if those three hundred four unit of bets you

856
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 12: don't hit a home run, you strike out.

857
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 5: One hundred and fifty of them. That's not good, that's

858
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: not productive at all.

859
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Speaker 12: But that's the way the game has come to be,

860
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 12: at least in the regular season, because we're seeing in

861
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 12: the postseason that strategy doesn't work. You have to apply pressure.

862
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 12: You have to consistently get guys on base, get the

863
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 12: picture in the stretch for numbers, for getting contracts. This

864
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 12: is how they're going to evaluate. But to win a

865
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,240
Speaker 12: championship you have to have other parts of the game.

866
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Speaker 12: And when you get to the playoffs, you're not all

867
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Speaker 12: of a sudden going to change who you are.

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Speaker 2: Why are the Phillies in trouble.

869
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Speaker 12: They're not hitting. They're simply not hitting. I think their

870
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Speaker 12: pitching has been good. They're team that definitely relies on

871
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 12: big swings, big moments. Schwarber had a great season chasing

872
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 12: Ryan Howards on run record, Harper, big swing Harper, Trey Turner,

873
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Speaker 12: who unfortunately got injured at the end so he's kind

874
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 12: of out of rhythm. But they're guys that relied literally

875
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 12: on the big swing, and they can't play a different

876
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 12: stele of baseball. We've seen it at times, but their

877
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 12: game is built around that three run home run and

878
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 12: when you're facing pitching like the Dodgers, half that's not

879
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 12: gonna happen too often. Yes, you're gonna face guys and

880
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 12: they're gonna have an off day. But in the playoffs,

881
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 12: you assume that everybody's going to be sharp, and Dodger

882
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 12: pitching has been sharp, especially the starters. I mean two

883
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 12: games and we're getting into the fifth and sixth and

884
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 12: and before we even get a runner on base.

885
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: Have to win ball games.

886
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Take me into that home running bat by Aaron Judge

887
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: last night, because man seemed like they did exactly what

888
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: they wanted to do, and that pitch is a pitch

889
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: where you want to put it.

890
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 12: I think I was a razed, but yeah, it was

891
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 12: a two strike pitch that almost hit him in a chest,

892
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 12: you know, And for him.

893
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 5: To keep that ball fair.

894
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 12: There are a few guys that I've played against that

895
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 12: can do that. There were power hitters, one was bare,

896
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 12: the other with Chef. You can never bring the ball

897
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 12: in far enough because they know how to bring their

898
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 12: hands inside the ball and they're strong enough that if

899
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 12: they get the barrel to it, obviously it is going

900
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 12: to go a long ways. But thinking about it and

901
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 12: last night and watching it. I was over at Pedro's house.

902
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 12: We were on the lake hanging out and came back

903
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 12: to watch the rest of the game. I was glad

904
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 12: to see him have this moment. We know the struggles

905
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 12: that he's had, not getting that big home run in

906
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 12: the big moments, but you know they had him where

907
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 12: he wanted to.

908
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 5: You threw a fast ball for strike two up out over.

909
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 12: The plate, you see a swing underneath it, and you're saying, yes,

910
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 12: this is what we want.

911
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 5: He's swinging underneath the ball elevated.

912
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 12: But I think with pictures, and I'm not on the mountain,

913
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 12: but just looking at it, what is a high fastball

914
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 12: to Aaron Judge?

915
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 5: It's different to someone else.

916
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 12: You throw a chest high to me, Throw a chest

917
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 12: hike to Curtis Grandison or a guy even six' three's

918
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 12: that that's a good. Pitch but The Aaron judge at

919
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 12: six seven that ends up belt. High so as a,

920
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 12: picture how do you say to, YOURSELF i have to

921
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 12: throw it basically head high to, him which would if you,

922
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 12: know if the catcher doesn't get, it it's a pass

923
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 12: ball off the.

924
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: Net it's a different.

925
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 12: Thing but to see him have that, moment knowing that

926
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 12: he hasn't had that moment to keep it.

927
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 5: FAIR i think he can finally take that deep.

928
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 12: Breath and he saw off the home running games to

929
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 12: the camera and he gave it a double look like

930
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 12: is this what you were asking?

931
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 5: For he answered that.

932
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 12: Bell so it was a great moment for him and,

933
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 12: hopefully you, know he can get those demons out the.

934
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Way, okay let me go back to you were At

935
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: Pedro martinez's. House you said yes last, Night, yes, Yes,

936
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: okay is it like of all the baller houses you've been, In,

937
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 2: like what's the what's the most baller house that you've

938
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: ever been?

939
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 12: In, wow the most baller House i've ever been? IN

940
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 12: i would, WOULD i, WOULD i would honestly have to

941
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 12: give it To Ryan howard his house that he had

942
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 12: down in The Indian rocks area that was on a,

943
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 12: beach bowling, alley a, pool a, lagoon a lazy. River

944
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 12: it WAS i think the main house was shoot the

945
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 12: main house may have been twenty thousand square feet and

946
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 12: the guest house was eight, thousand and it was a.

947
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 5: Hallway it was.

948
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 12: Just everything you can imagine it was in that. House

949
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 12: and it was on the beach like it was on

950
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 12: you stepped, out you see turtles, nesting you had the

951
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 12: speed boats coming by DOING tmz down In Clearwater.

952
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: Beach that was probably the.

953
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 12: Craziest and you walk in And ryan's a big, guy

954
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 12: so everything he had was, big and you walk in

955
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 12: in his thirty foot high cents And i'm only five,

956
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 12: seven SO i felt like a really small person walking

957
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 12: in that.

958
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: HOUSE i bring this up a lot with my guys

959
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: that there's certain sounds in. Sports you, know it could

960
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: be the ball going in a cup if you're playing,

961
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: golf or the you, know the net When Steph curry

962
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: hits a, shut when the ball Leaves otani's, bat it

963
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: sounds different than anybody. Else and as a, guy you

964
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: know who's out there at. Shortstop you're not very far

965
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: from the, picture and the picture knows there's certain sounds like,

966
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: DAMN i just gave up a home. Run can you?

967
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: Remember like who had that? Sound where you go that's.

968
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 12: Gone there are a few GUYS i played with One Ryan,

969
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 12: HOWARD i.

970
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: Played against One Barry Chef, chipper and it's it's it's.

971
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 12: Hard it's hard to explain and describe the, sound but

972
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 12: when you hear, it you know it it's.

973
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: Loud it's an.

974
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 12: Explosion you can hear the back compressing the core center

975
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 12: of the, ball and people used to laugh at, me

976
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 12: especially my Teammates.

977
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 5: Ryan i'm an.

978
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 12: Infielder there's a velocity and a trajectory that the ball

979
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 12: goes over my head that there's no doubt that it's.

980
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: Gone i'm watching the. HITTER i want to see what they're.

981
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 12: Doing and then right before the ball you know it's

982
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 12: caught or goes into the.

983
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: STANDS i kind of give it a.

984
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 12: Look but there are a couple of times THAT i

985
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 12: have to take the. EXCEPTIONS i want to watch the

986
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 12: whole flight of the. Ball and one was When barry

987
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 12: hit the ball off the McDonald's sign in right center

988
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 12: field And John lieber's. Pitching so before the, Game libra

989
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 12: comes in is, Like, hey If barry gets up and nobody,

990
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 12: On i'm going to get over with and so we're all,

991
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 12: like what are you talking. About he's, Like i'm not

992
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 12: going to waste any pitches On. Barry every time my face,

993
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 12: him he hits the home. Runs so if there's nobody,

994
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 12: On i'm throwing a fastball right down the.

995
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: Middle get it up. With and so we.

996
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 12: All kind of look at each other like there's no

997
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 12: way THERE'S i hear, you but there's no way you're

998
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 12: gonna do.

999
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 5: That no one's.

1000
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 12: Whatever, John so get the first batter, out get the

1001
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 12: second batter, out and so we ALL i look At,

1002
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 12: CHASE i look At, RYAN i forget it was that

1003
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 12: third and me Being Pedro no Maybe pedro fleez or

1004
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 12: plosi the plank and we all kind of.

1005
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 5: Look at each other, like if this is really gonna, happen.

1006
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 12: We shift over first pitch like cow AND i just

1007
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 12: turned over my head and it hit the McDonald's. Sign

1008
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 12: that was the only thing that kept it from leaving

1009
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 12: the entire. Ballpark and don't get me, wrong it was.

1010
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 12: AMAZING i was surprised that he actually. Did and we

1011
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 12: all looked at each other like this dude got some big.

1012
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 12: Honess he, Said i'm gonna throw him a, fastball get

1013
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 12: it over, with and he, did And barry did what

1014
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 12: he was supposed to. Do so there are a couple

1015
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 12: of guys that made that, sound but that one in,

1016
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 12: particular that was that was one of the most amazing.

1017
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 12: Things That john lived up to his word And barry

1018
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 12: hit it off McDonald's.

1019
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: EYE i was always amazed With bonds that he might

1020
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: get one pitch per it, Bat mike get one pitch per,

1021
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: bat but he could make you pay with that and

1022
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: his strike. Zone so he never went out of this

1023
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: like he knew that he had like a red, box

1024
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: maybe a. Microwave it wasn't very large, there but if

1025
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: you're in, There i'm Gonna i'm gonna make you. Pay

1026
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: And i'd still marvel at that ability to be patient

1027
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: and not, go you, know fishing and pressing for. This you,

1028
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: know judge who's doing this, now he's really got that

1029
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: strike zone. Compact and that's when you see these guys

1030
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: go from good to great to great The hall Of.

1031
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: Famer But bonds would no doubt about. It pitch maybe maybe.

1032
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 5: No doubt about. It and as you said, that that

1033
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 5: was the amazing thing that he wasn't striking. Out he

1034
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: was patient enough to take the.

1035
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 12: Walk the times that they would pitch to, him and

1036
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 12: the number of times that he wouldn't even get a

1037
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 12: chance to. Swing nobody on tie game comes up intentional.

1038
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 12: Walk he wasn't even getting a chance to swing the.

1039
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 12: Bat so the times that he did the proficiency.

1040
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 5: Of what he did it was.

1041
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 12: Crazy even the year he had seventy, THREE i think

1042
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 12: he had one hundred and thirty intentional. Walks there's no

1043
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 12: doubt in my mind he has one hundred home. Runs

1044
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 12: it's that, crazy AND i mean it. Is if they

1045
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 12: pitched to him the way they pitch these guys, now

1046
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 12: and it's almost like analytics say we know how to

1047
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 12: get you. Out, analytics THEN i think they would have

1048
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 12: had to, say we understand. That but the human element,

1049
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 12: says this pitch is not going to execute that. Pitch

1050
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 12: and if we, don't that robot in a box he's

1051
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 12: going to make sure it's one, nothing two, nothing three,

1052
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 12: nothing or a Grand. Slam and that's how Crazy Barry bonds.

1053
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 12: Is and he you, know everybody compares who's the, goat

1054
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 12: and they want to lick At judge's, numbers Lickuld Show hayes,

1055
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 12: numbers and then we put them next To. Berry's it's

1056
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 12: a different. Story and it's AND i know kids didn't

1057
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 12: grow up Watching. Bearry they're watching these guys. Now but

1058
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 12: for us that we're fortunate enough to play with against,

1059
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 12: him Watch.

1060
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 5: Barry it was it was.

1061
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: Unworldly but even with the performance enhancing, Drugs he's still

1062
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: if we leveled the playing, Field jimmy AND i, said

1063
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: everybody can use whatever they want to. Use he would

1064
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: he would have and you got a pitch to. Him

1065
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: it's Like Lance armstrong in The tour De. France it

1066
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: felt like everybody else was cheating in The tour De.

1067
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: Franz he was just that much better than. Everybody And,

1068
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: bonds you, know you can put an asterisk by, it

1069
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: but you still he still had to hit that ball

1070
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: and he got that one, PITCH i, mean still. Made

1071
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: he would have hit one hundred home, runs but he

1072
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: one year he was he got walked over two hundred

1073
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: and thirty.

1074
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 5: TIMES i can't imagine. THAT i can't imagine that.

1075
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 12: Amazing AND i can't imagine you think guys striking out

1076
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 12: twenty thirty times now thirty?

1077
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: TIMES i, KNOW i, Know, uh a great job so

1078
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: far during the. Postseason hope you're enjoying it and we

1079
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: appreciate your.

1080
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 5: Time, Jimmy, NO i appreciate A.

1081
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: Dp thank you, Them Jimmy rawlins