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Speaker 1: Iron rap Port Stereo Podcast Live and direct with a

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Speaker 1: guy who I met on social media.

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Speaker 2: This this could go wrong.

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Speaker 1: I met a guy on social media, a guy with

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Speaker 1: creepy glasses and funny stories. Ian Bick, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Iron rap Port Stereo Podcast. I appreciate you taking the time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming.

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Speaker 3: Mike, thank you so much for having man we connected

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Speaker 3: with and may remember you DM me.

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Speaker 4: I was like, holy shiv my grap up for it.

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Speaker 2: Don't say that I DM you.

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Speaker 1: They and I looked like I saw the sitt at

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Speaker 1: the creepy guy with the glasses. Anyways, Ian Bick, your

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Speaker 1: stories on TikTok is where I saw them first on

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Speaker 1: TikTok are what made me reach out to you because

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Speaker 1: your story yourself about getting arrested, going to prison, the

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Speaker 1: way you tell your story, and then you have developed

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Speaker 1: and grown and made a big business. Now it's a business,

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Speaker 1: I mean social media is a business of your own.

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Speaker 1: Interviewing other people who have gone through the system for

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Speaker 1: one reason or another. A lot of times I have

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Speaker 1: actors on the podcast, I have athletes, I have you know, rappers.

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Speaker 1: So tell people your story, like how did we meet,

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Speaker 1: Like what would do you remember what the first thing? Like,

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Speaker 1: I saw your your TikTok video?

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Speaker 2: Which one? What was it?

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Speaker 1: How did you go viral? How did you become so

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Speaker 1: viral on social media? Tell me that story first. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it was last August. I was working at Whole

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Speaker 1: Foods market. I was the manager of prepared foods. Worked

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Speaker 1: my way up after prison.

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Speaker 3: I got out in twenty nineteen after serving nearly three years,

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Speaker 3: and I worked my way up from making fifteen bucks

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Speaker 3: an hour to thirty two dollars an hour as a

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Speaker 4: And I would have made a hundred k last year

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Speaker 4: with overtime.

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Speaker 3: And people laugh at that, but they don't realize there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of money in the grocery business if you

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Speaker 3: work overtime and it's owned by Amazon, crazy money.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people should laugh at anything and anybody

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Speaker 1: working the way the world is right now, and especially

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Speaker 1: somebody busting their ass. I don't care if it's Whole Foods.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's doing construction, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's doing podcasts. Anybody busting their ass working I respect.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean people do hate though, you know, really,

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Speaker 3: I think when you come from like I was at

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Speaker 3: a high point, owning a night club at eighteen, and

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Speaker 3: then they see when you're in a small town like

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're laughing.

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Speaker 3: You know, they think it's funny, right because they the

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Speaker 3: social media makes it so it's like a downfall. When

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Speaker 3: someone's in the news getting arrested and then they end

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: So, anyways, about this time last year, a year ago,

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Speaker 3: in the day, said, Ian, you got to get on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: And I was so anti TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Through COVID everything, I had occasionally watch videos because I'm

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Speaker 3: So I didn't understand. I didn't understand the concept of videos.

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Speaker 3: But he's like, you've got to start telling your story

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Speaker 3: what happens is he convinces me to start posting and

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Speaker 3: I'd sit behind the HBO Max poster and I'd do

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Speaker 4: Crazy things like that. And on my sixth video.

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Speaker 3: I can't post today, And he was the one preaching

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Speaker 3: to me, you have to be inconsistent. If you're going

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Speaker 3: I get up. I make the video almost stuffy. The

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Speaker 3: me talking about my time being in solitary for nearly

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Speaker 3: All of that would turn out to be the thing

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Speaker 3: one video. Simultaneously, producer at MTV watches that video, reaches

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Speaker 3: out to me that week, and now I have five

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Speaker 3: thousand followers going on ten thousand on TikTok. They want

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Speaker 3: this is my big break.

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Speaker 1: I went to pre I started a nightclub, I went

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Speaker 1: to prison. I did six months of solitary confinement. Will

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Speaker 3: They wanted to make it different, they wanted to make

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Speaker 3: Their pitch was it's like a Survivor type of dating

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Speaker 3: So I figured, Wow, this is my big break.

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Speaker 4: So you know what I do.

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Speaker 3: Before even the first interview with them, I go to

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Speaker 3: I'm going on a dating show. I ended up getting

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Speaker 3: ghosted by the producer and that never ended up happen.

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Speaker 3: It happened, never happened. You quit the foods? Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 3: So that's the gist of it. Let's just start with this.

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Speaker 3: You were in solitary confinement for six months? What was

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Speaker 3: that like? How did you get into solitary confinement?

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Speaker 2: Break that down?

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Speaker 3: So the prison stories are probably the funniest thing you'll

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Speaker 3: love it on TikTok. My first prison I was sentenced

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Speaker 3: once for movies. People have assigned shares. There's a pool

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Speaker 3: bunks with two men on each bunk, and so there's

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Speaker 3: twelve man rooms now at.

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Speaker 1: Almost one hundred percent. Sure my father did a boot camp.

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Speaker 1: He was at Fort Dicks.

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Speaker 3: Probably a lot of people that listen to my podcast say, hey,

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Speaker 3: I was at a Fort Dicks at one point. It's

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Speaker 3: still a training facility. It's just on the other side,

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Speaker 3: I believe. Okay, good, no no worries. And what ends

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Speaker 3: up happening is there's a lot of cell phones in

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Speaker 3: federal prison and it's crazy. Now Oranges and New Black

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Speaker 3: does not do it justice. This is range is a

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Speaker 3: because you can't charge with the iPhone plugs. Everyone converts

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty bucks. Wow, the prison system does.

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Speaker 3: So they convert those into chargers. It's a whole system.

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Speaker 3: Anything you could think of. Guys are making, you know,

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Speaker 3: liquor with stingers that they're heating up with extension cording.

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Speaker 3: So it's like an extension court stripped out that you

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Speaker 3: used to heat up water.

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Speaker 2: Got you.

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Speaker 4: Oh we have microwaves too, but they use that for liquor.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, there's cell phones. Back to why I was in

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Speaker 3: They got into this phone and there was a video

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Speaker 4: I was probably like two sixty two seventy.

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Speaker 3: I'm squealing on the floor of my little Harry Potter

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Speaker 3: round glasses. We called those the Chomo three thousands in

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Speaker 3: prison because all the chomos wore those glasses.

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Speaker 1: Well, now tell the people, oh what a chow. I

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Speaker 1: learned what a chomo was from watching your videos.

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Speaker 3: So a chomo is h child molester, sex offender. For

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Speaker 3: Fort Dix is one of the largest federal prisons that

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Speaker 3: house sex offenders. Wow, that's also where the guy that

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Speaker 4: Yes, yep, he went there. All right, I gotta stay.

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Speaker 1: On topic here, because in federal prison they have chomo's yep.

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Speaker 3: And I was labeled as a chomo because you the

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Speaker 3: way you look, because the way I.

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Speaker 2: Love, I mean no disrespect ian.

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Speaker 1: Even if you had never gone to prison, you'd have

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Speaker 1: that like you have that disposition, that look especially had

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Speaker 1: the round glasses and it's one hundred and seventy degrees.

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Speaker 1: You got the black shirt on anyway, So all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, so go ahead, and I want to come

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Speaker 1: back to the Cholmo's and being housed with them and

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Speaker 1: what their lives are like because on the Iron Rack

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Speaker 1: Port Cereal podcast, I talk about, you know, sex offenders,

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Speaker 4: This could be a movie with all these crazy stories.

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Speaker 3: Ever never watched penitentially nothing that that's what makes us crazy.

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Speaker 1: Like Shank redemptionh bad boys showing pen. I saw bad

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Speaker 2: Wow a.

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Speaker 2: First of all, before we go, where can people find

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Speaker 3: So if they go to ianbik dot com, I have

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Speaker 1: All right, so dominates sex offend look before we go,

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Speaker 3: Guys that have physically assaulted children or people under eighteen, Wow,

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Speaker 3: And he gives me this note and I open it

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00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 3: and he said, I'm here for sex crimes. Are you

438
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 3: here for sex crimes? Meet me at such and such

439
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 3: place at seven o'clock if you want to talk. That's

440
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 3: what he said to And I went and I flushed

441
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 3: that note down the toilet and never went back to

442
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 3: that library again, because you could get a bad reptis

443
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 3: by associating them with them, and there would be rules

444
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 3: like if there was a sex offender that lived in

445
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 3: your room, they were cleaning the floor every day, they were,

446
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 3: you know, mopping the place, keeping it tidy, and they

447
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 3: weren't allowed in the room only other to sleep, and

448
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: that's it.

449
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,239
Speaker 4: Then they had to leave for the day.

450
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 2: They know the rule.

451
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 3: Yep, there's special places for them to sit in the

452
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 3: TV room back of the room. There's no high priority,

453
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 3: but people do business with them because they would be

454
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: the ones that do legal paperwork, or they would have

455
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 3: a knitting business and they would make pillows. So people

456
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 3: still break bread with them in these lows because they

457
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 3: have to. But they're treated at the bottom of the barrel.

458
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: And when you say low, you mean low. When you

459
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 3: say lows, what does that mean? This is a low

460
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: security feederal security. There's still a fence, right, but it's

461
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: people that have twenty years or less on their sentence

462
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: and they've worked their way down or got sentence there.

463
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 3: The next level is a camp, which is where I

464
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 3: went to after Okay, So how did you ian bick

465
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 3: one up in prison in the first place? Now that's

466
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: a story. Okay, So basically it goes back to high school.

467
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: And I was always a kid in elementary school that

468
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 3: was like bullied and whatnot.

469
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 4: Was a nerd.

470
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: They called Twinkie, they called chubby, they called chubster, they

471
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 3: called me all these names. And so my parents yanked

472
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: me out of public school and sent me to private

473
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: school and Montessori school in Danbury, Connecticut, where life was different.

474
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 3: You really learn your independence and Montessori school because it's

475
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 3: fourth through eighth grade in one classroom, but there's only

476
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 3: like fifteen kids, so there's like two fourth graders, one

477
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: eighth grade or whatever. There's a bunny hopping around the room,

478
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: there's turtles, and you're sitting like crisscross apple sauce in

479
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: the room doing your work. So I learned independence. And

480
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 3: I was a theater kid growing up too. I love theater.

481
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 3: I love the stage. They would have me dressed as

482
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 3: Milton Burrow and the woman's wig and the outfit and

483
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: the high heels and the lipstick, and I love that.

484
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 3: I craved the attention, and that took away from getting bullied.

485
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be liked and be out there.

486
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 3: So eighth grade they put me back into public school

487
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: so I can adjust before going to high school reconnect

488
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: with friends. And I was a kid that wanted to

489
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: fit in, you know. I wanted to be the skater

490
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 3: and the stoner, even though I wasn't that. I would

491
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: fake hit weed and pretend to sell weed and carry

492
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: around a skateboard and had the long hair because and

493
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: I had highlights in my hair because that's what everyone

494
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: was doing. And I also wanted to be different at

495
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: the same time too. I wanted to stand out but

496
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: be different. So everyone's saying you have to get good

497
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: grades in middle school, to get into good classes in

498
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 3: high school, to get through a good college. I said,

499
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 3: screw that. I got all offs. I was a kid

500
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: that failed gym for not changing. I turned middle school

501
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 3: into a business. I was selling candy out of my backpack,

502
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: and energy drinks and packs of gum. I wore Hollister

503
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 3: shirts that said this is what happens when you party naked.

504
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: They suspended me for that. I wore flip flop So

505
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: I was this weird kid in a way, but I

506
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: like to stand out and cause trouble. I got to

507
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: high school and they put me on this naughty list

508
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: that says kids to watch out for when you get

509
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: to this school. So I was like, okay, you know

510
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: I'm on this naughty list. I want to be different

511
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: in that aspect. So I went and became top seven

512
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: in my class for academics. Turned everything around. I'm on

513
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: a good straight and arrow. I'm in the school theater.

514
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: The first year was Anny, Get your Gun. Did theater

515
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: all four years, and I'm you know, I'm not popular,

516
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: but I'm a nerd. I turned into a nerd. I'm

517
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: wearing the nice khaki shorts and a nice shirt, a

518
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: polo shirt every day.

519
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 4: And now this is where things take a turn. So

520
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: sophomore year of high school, I grew up.

521
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: We were just talking about in this Jewish community called

522
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: Lake Wabika in Danbury, Connecticut. Okay, my parents' house was

523
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: on the lake, and there's a board of directors, a president,

524
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: a vice president, etc. And my parents got me a

525
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: golf cart when I was sixteen. Well, the community made

526
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: up a rule after I got that golf cart that

527
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: kids cannot drive golf carts. And then they made up

528
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: a rule about paintballing, and they made up all these

529
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: rules targeted towards me, just me.

530
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: I was the only one doing it. Me and my

531
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: friends that I'd invite over.

532
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: Me and my best friend decide to get back at

533
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: these board of directors and we take insulating foam, you know,

534
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: the spray foam that you use at your house. Yes,

535
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: And my friend said, if we put it on the

536
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: locks of their car, it'll just keep them from getting

537
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: into their car. Well, the phone ends up dripping down

538
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 3: the sides of their car. And we wore like ski masks.

539
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 3: That night, we're driving around the golf car thinking we're

540
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: so slick, and we phooned their cars. Next day, it

541
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: drips all the way down the side of the house.

542
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: Everyone knew we were the troublemakers. They called me the

543
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: black sheep of the neighborhood. So the cops came to

544
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: my house. My dad thought his son would at least

545
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: be smart enough to not have the evidence on the property,

546
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: so he said, sure, officer, you could search our garage.

547
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: The officer opens the garage and there are the spray phone.

548
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: There was no look, there was no searching was right there.

549
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: It was right there.

550
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: And I had tpeed our house at night, and I

551
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: was trying to tell the cop, hey, look, our house

552
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: got hit with toilet paper. And simultaneously they're interrogating my

553
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 3: friend and the cop tells my friend at his house

554
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: that I had snitched on him. So they did that

555
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: whole thing, and I was like, dude, I called them

556
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: after you never watched Criminal Minds or CSI or anything

557
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: like that.

558
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: This is what they do.

559
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: And he was grew up watching MythBusters and stuff, so

560
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: we had no experience in this, and so we got caught,

561
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: and I got sentence to community service. Okay, and this

562
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: is where this night, this whole day of you know,

563
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: me getting caught. That's why we're meeting right now.

564
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: You and me, Me and you.

565
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: Okay, they would not be here if it wasn't for

566
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: that tee being thing, because that set a domino effect

567
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: to my whole life. Okay, get sentence to community service.

568
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: And here I am a kid that needs to stand out,

569
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: needs to do something different. I couldn't just go to

570
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: a local homeless shelter or volunteer anywhere. I got this

571
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: idea to start this whole organization. I call it Fight

572
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: for the Homeless. And we're selling the live Strong bracelets

573
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: that say fight for the Homeless on them for a

574
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: dollar apiece. My dad buys me a few hundred bracelets,

575
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: and we end up selling two or three thousand bracelets.

576
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: Local newspapers calling me this whiz kid, local sophomore in

577
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 3: high school. I'm fifteen at the time, starts this charity.

578
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: Everything's great. I'm in the spotlight and I just start

579
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: running with it. I plan a school dance, and the

580
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: school dance goes to me throwing house parties. We're throwing

581
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: three or four hundred people house parties at my parents' house.

582
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: We're selling liquor on the patio for you know, solo

583
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: cups five dollars a solo cup. Where the kids are

584
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: taking out the row boats and the canoes and skinny

585
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: dipping at just all this crazy shit's going on.

586
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: Time out? Where is your fucking parents when you're throwing

587
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: parties and alcohol and row boats and canoes and jugglers

588
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: and magicians, And where's your parents when this is happening.

589
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: So freshman year of high school, they let me throw

590
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: the cast party, which is at the end of the

591
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: school year.

592
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: It's like three or four hundred people.

593
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: And they got this party ten because my dad's in

594
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: the catering business, so I was accustomed to that. Okay,

595
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: we threw up a cast party. Everything was great, you know,

596
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: we had a dance floor party. Everything was great. So

597
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: when I start throwing house parties, I pitch it to

598
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 3: them as, hey, it's just going to be forty people. Well,

599
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: you know, any parent that has a kid and school

600
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: knows it's never forty people. And the first party had

601
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: like two or three hundred kids that showed up, and

602
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: there were seniors in the class that worked with my dad.

603
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: I had them going upstairs making sure my parents were good,

604
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: that there was like wine, food for them. They were

605
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: upstairs and I was just making sure, you know, everything

606
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: was good. And the thing with me was I was

607
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: never a party kid. I was very introverted. I wasn't

608
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: the one hooking up with the girls. I was a

609
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: kid that got high. I never did drugs. I got

610
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: high off of planning events and seeing that spotlight and.

611
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: Making the money.

612
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: At that time it wasn't much, but that would come

613
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: and when the night after a party ends, it's like

614
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: doing a show that highs over and you're looking forward

615
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: to the next one. You're only as good as your

616
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 3: last show. So that would be something that reoccurs over

617
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: and over again. And I worked my way from house

618
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: parties to renting a local nightclub, this famous nightclub in

619
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Connecticut called Tuxedo Junction, which was the equivalent to Toad's

620
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: Place in New Haven. They booked Oasis all these big

621
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: bands back in the day. And that's where my business starts.

622
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: I call myself, this is where it's at productions. And

623
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: because if my parties were going to be where it

624
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: was at for the night and the first party, two

625
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty people, then seven hundred and fifty, then

626
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: twelve hundred, then fifteen hundred, then two thousand, and I'm

627
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: sixteen years old making ten thousand dollars in profit in

628
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: one night, once a month, throwing the biggest teen parties

629
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: in Connecticut. We're pulling from people in New York, people

630
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: all around Connecticut. They're paying just cash. And you know,

631
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: I'd call like the Christmas Rave or we did a

632
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: paint party. I went to Michael's craft store and bought

633
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: every washable paint off the shelf, mixed it all together.

634
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: We're doing squirt guns. It was crazy.

635
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: This is like I idolized like Scooter Braun at that time,

636
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: because that's how he got started. And I thought I

637
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: was on top of the world and that this thing

638
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: was going to go and to make that kind of money,

639
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: I'm spending it on a car, I'm taking my friends

640
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: out to dinner whatever. I always put it back into

641
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: like my brand. And at that point I never knew

642
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 3: at the time was that I was a good marketer.

643
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: I was a terrible businessman, but I was a great marketer.

644
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: And that's something I would figure out long term.

645
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so then what happens.

646
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: So, like all good things, they come to an end,

647
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: and the nightclub owners in that area were starting to

648
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: get greedy and they would rent it at the clubs

649
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: out because they'd get a rental fee to everyone that

650
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: wanted to be the next d in Bick. So everyone

651
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: wanted to start doing teen parties because they see the

652
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: money in it. So the clubs got you just spoke

653
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: of yourself in the third party. Yeah, and that's an area. Yeah, yeah,

654
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: everyone want at that time period. Everyone wanted to be

655
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: the next d in Big Yeah at that time period.

656
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: And what ends up happening is that the market gets

657
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: over oversaturated and the parties die out. Okay, and I

658
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: want to take things to the next level. How old

659
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: are you at this point, seventeen? I want to take

660
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: things to the next level. I want to start doing concerts.

661
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: At that time, Mac Miller was blowing up, Big Sean

662
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 3: was blowing up. I had the vision to book one

663
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: of those acts at the Connectic Western Connecticut State University.

664
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: That was in Dan Barry, who did you book? We

665
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: ended up booking Big Sean.

666
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

667
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: Before that, my first ever rapper I ever worked with

668
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: was Asher Roth was the very first one. We'll get

669
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: him for a charity event. Okay, cool dude. And we

670
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: booked Big Sewan next, okay. And what other rappers did

671
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: you wind up booking. I've booked Big Sean, twenty one, Savage,

672
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: oh shit, Chief Keif, Tiger, Little Yachtie. I think I've

673
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: worked with a ton of rappers.

674
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: Do you have any crazy rapper stories?

675
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chief Keif fucked me over out of a lot

676
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: of money. Never showed up to an event. We sold

677
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: the show out at Toad's place in New Haven and

678
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: he ghosted us, missed all his flights, couldn't find him,

679
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: and the next day he sends out a tweet, sorry, Connecticut,

680
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: wasn't the promoter's fault, see you. Soon tried to sue him,

681
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: never got the money. I think he settled on a

682
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: back end with one of the other promoters on the

683
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: show years later. But in my eyes, he fucked me

684
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: over and he owes me the money. That was one

685
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: of the crazy stories. I remember paying forty thousand dollars

686
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: for Taiga and he wouldn't even take a picture with us,

687
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: and he just wouldn't even talk to us, and he

688
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: needed The riders are crazy like with what they want

689
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: with the champagne and this and that. Twenty one Savage

690
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: paid twenty thousand dollars for him to do an hour set.

691
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: He does five minutes. This club's packed, everyone's here, fifteen

692
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: hundred people. He does five minutes, drops some mic and

693
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: leaves and we're like, dude, what the fuck? And he

694
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: just pulls off in a sprinter van and that was it.

695
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Goes to the hotel that we booked him at, the Laquinta,

696
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: and in sweets because there's not like nice hotels in

697
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: Danbarry and there was an outback attached to it. I

698
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: get a call the next morning from the hotel saying,

699
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: you're banned from this hotel for life because the group

700
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: you book last I tried breaking in to the outback

701
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: and cause damage to the door. It wasn't him directly,

702
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: but it was his posse that got drunk and was

703
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: trying to get into it. Shit, dude, But it's not

704
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: just the hip hop. I've worked with edm I was

705
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: an DM club, so I've worked with the Chainsmokers. I

706
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: owed them twenty five thousand dollars for like five months.

707
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: At one point, Steve Ioki Adventure Club, These big, big

708
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: names were coming to Danbury. And that's what made this

709
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: time period so crazy because while I'm running this nightclub,

710
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: I'm also under investigation by the FBI, arrested by the FBI,

711
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: and then I'm on a month long trial against the

712
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: United States government while owning this nightclub for your So,

713
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: they had investigated me for fraud and money laundering. They

714
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: said that I ran a Ponzi scheme as a teenager.

715
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: This is before I owned the nightclub. They said I

716
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: ran a Ponzi scheme and it was an accident, when

717
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: when I look at it, this is like an accidental

718
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Ponzi scheme because what I was doing was I would

719
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: take loans from individuals. I structured them as loans, and

720
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: me and my friend got this idea to start this

721
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: electronic business. And we would say, hey, Mike, you know,

722
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: give us ten thousand dollars and we'll give you fifty

723
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: percent rate to return in thirty days. Because we're buying

724
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: these electronics beats by Dre for like fifty bucks and

725
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: selling it for four hundred. The electronics turned out to

726
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: be fake, which you know, which, yeah, anyone could have

727
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: figured that out early on, but we didn't know that

728
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: at the time, and now all of a sudden, all

729
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: these investors or lenders are giving me hundreds of thousands

730
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: of dollars. I was eighteen years old, decided not to

731
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: go to college. At this point, I have like six

732
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars in as well as Fargo bank account.

733
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: And what do kids do with six hundred thousand dollars?

734
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: We made dumb investments like I put it into my

735
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: first nightclub. I've owned two nightclubs in my day. Put

736
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: it one hundred grand into a nightclub where every contractor

737
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: you could ever think of took advantage of me.

738
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: They do it.

739
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: They do it to kids, they do it to grown ups.

740
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: Contractors are motherfuckers.

741
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: It's fucked.

742
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: And put it into some shoe company other things, big

743
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: Bowler brand. Uh no, no, not Big Baller. You know

744
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: Ben Baller Actually I know Ben. He dm me when

745
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: the HBO Max documentary came out. Yeah, he was really nice.

746
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, you're gonna make it one day, like

747
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: just keep going, yeah, yeah, yeah, So all these things,

748
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: and yeah, we spent twenty grand on Jetski's. As I figured,

749
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: companies get company cars. Why can't we have company jet skis,

750
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: and this was an eighteen year old's mentality. Of course,

751
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: we took trips, we went to a strip club, we

752
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: did all these crazy things. Anyways, I was banking on

753
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: with this money. I would take a loan from you

754
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: to pay off another loan, not for me, not for you.

755
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't loan as shit, but go ahead, but

756
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: somebody like me hypothetically, I'm not loaning you or anybody

757
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: else jet shit.

758
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 4: So in my eyes, I was eighteen, I couldn't. I

759
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: had no credit.

760
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: So I've heard of people like refinancing credit cards, taking

761
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: one loan from a bank to pay off another loan.

762
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: So why can't I take one loan from one person

763
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: to pay off another loan. Well, apparently that's a Ponzi scheme.

764
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: And when you're taking money from one person to pay

765
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: off another and no profits are producing, I was bankrolling

766
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: on these string of concerts that so I was promising

767
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: people short rate of returns on investments that were going

768
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: to take months to pay off, and I was keeping

769
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: the cash flow going by taking on new loans.

770
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: How did they wind up catching on to you, eight

771
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: ten year old? It's not millions and kazillions of dollars.

772
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: You're not Bernie Madoff. How did they get their eyes

773
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: on you?

774
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 3: So by December of twenty thirteen, this is six months

775
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: after I started taking investments, every single show that we

776
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: had booked had bombed drastically. Like I lost one hundred

777
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: grand on The Tiger Show in one night. Chief Keith

778
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: was another, you know, forty to fifty sixty grand. I

779
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 3: lost everything that could go wrong. Had it been reversed,

780
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: had I made money on every show, I would have

781
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: been rich. But I wasn't, and I lost money on everything.

782
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: And so one of the kids and invested two hundred

783
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: and fifty grand that he had from a settlement with

784
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: New York Sports Club he had lost vision in his eye,

785
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: goes to the police. Now the Danburry local police, their

786
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: eyes are lighting up because when they see one investor

787
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: for two hundred and fifty grand, they think there's millions.

788
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: And there's rumors flowing around that I'm in the drug

789
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: business because I own a nightclub, and you know, Danburry's

790
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 3: putting me.

791
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: As a staple kid.

792
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: So the detective, like you see Wolf of Wall Street, Yes,

793
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: it was that scenario where that one agent detective latches

794
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: onto the case and is relentless.

795
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: That was my story.

796
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: And when they accused me of being a young Bernie

797
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: made off, I look at them, I'm like, who's Bernie madeoff?

798
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: They didn't teach us that in school. It was too

799
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: recent and recent times, and I google it. I'm like,

800
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: holy shit, this is exactly what I did. But it

801
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 3: wasn't intentional. I never meant to defraud anyone or scam anyone.

802
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: Like the whole thing was an accident. Had everything worked out,

803
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: I would have paid them. And by the time the

804
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: investigation starts, I have nothing, not a cent to my name.

805
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: I'm one point three million dollars in debt with the interest.

806
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: The out of pocket is like four to eighty, but

807
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: with the interest, because everyone kept rolling over and over.

808
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: I owe money to biker gangs. I owe money to

809
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: drug dealers because I'm borrowing money to pay off other people.

810
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm gambling all this time.

811
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: And you're sober?

812
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: Are you are? You never drank, never, never did drugs.

813
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: I always wanted to keep that okay.

814
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: And then so how did it get to the point

815
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: where they catch you, you get arrested, so forth and

816
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: so on, and then like when do we hear the

817
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: idea like I might go to it.

818
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: I never thought I was going to go to prison

819
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: until the day my bond got revoked after trial, after

820
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: I was convicted on everything, after everything, I always thought

821
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: that I was going to get probation, and rewind that

822
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: for a second. After the local police start their investigation,

823
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: months go on and I get subpoena to the Department

824
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: of Banking in Connecticut. I never knew we had a

825
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: department of banking. So I go there, no lawyer, eighteen

826
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: year old kid about to turn nineteen, and I'm like,

827
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna clear this whole thing up. I bring all

828
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: my bank records, I bring every contract, I bring a

829
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: list to everyone's name with telephone numbers, addresses, everything, and

830
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: I tell them the whole story for six hours on record,

831
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: no lawyer. Afterwards, they say, hey, there's these guys we

832
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: want to meet with you. I go into this room

833
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 3: and it's a room in this office building. Two guys

834
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: with gray suits come on, just like in the movies.

835
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: They come, they sit down, they show me their badges

836
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: and they say they're postal inspectors, and I'm kind of

837
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: like laughing in my head. I'm like, what the hell

838
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: is a postal inspector, and these are federal agents that

839
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: have guns that investigate like mail fraud and whatnot. And

840
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: they interrogated me and I told them everything, and they

841
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: never said I need a lawyer.

842
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: They never did any of that. They end up handing

843
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 4: me a letter at the end of the scene.

844
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: You're watching the wrong movies, because every fucking show you

845
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: can watch, I mean the Simpsons, every show they like,

846
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: you need a lawyer.

847
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: But this shows my intention and mindset at the time.

848
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: I understand.

849
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: But just because you're like, I saw this in the movies,

850
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: but you didn't see the part about it I need

851
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: a lawyer.

852
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I didn't. They don't show the lawyers in

853
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: Orange is the Dude Black.

854
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I watched the season three episode seventeen.

855
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: I think they showed the ways. So they give me

856
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: a target letter. And that's the scariest thing you'll ever

857
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: get in your life. It says United States Department of Justice.

858
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: I just heard the term target letter because of Trump. Yeah,

859
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: he got that fucking So target letters are scary. Scariest

860
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: thing you'll ever say.

861
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: Why. It's got the gold seal on it, you know.

862
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: It says United States Department of Justice, and it says

863
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: Federal Bureau of Investigation. It says, dear mister Ian Bick,

864
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 3: you know you are under investigation. You're officially a target

865
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: in this investigation for US whatever all these codes and

866
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: then it's signed by all these agents, the US attorney.

867
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: It's crazy. There's so much power in this one paper.

868
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: So I immediately when I left that room, called the lawyer.

869
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: I searched on Google best lawyer for criminal defense in Connecticut.

870
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 4: I lawyered up.

871
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: I then end up we get this thing called a

872
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: reverse profer. Where a profer is where you sit with

873
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: the government and you snitch or you tell a reverse

874
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: profers when you hear everything that they have on you.

875
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: So as me and my dad and my lawyer go

876
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: to the federal building in New Haven, Connecticut, and we're

877
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: sitting at this big long conference table and they have

878
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: four FBI agents, four IRS agents, two US attorneys, and

879
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: a bunch of interns and then the room reporter all

880
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 3: for this one thing. And it's me and my dad

881
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: and the lawyer and they're talking about how it was

882
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 3: the next Bernie made Off and all these crazy things.

883
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

884
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: And they offered me a deal of like four years

885
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: I got. The deal that they offered me was more

886
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: than what I would have gotten had I gone to trial.

887
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: The deal that they offered you was more than what

888
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I got after trial. The deal of four years was

889
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 3: more than what you got after trial after losing a trial.

890
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: Half the count, which was how much I ended up

891
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: getting thirty six months and one year house arrest.

892
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: But my guidelines were eight to twelve years.

893
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: Shit.

894
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: And that's only because I pissed off the judge because

895
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: I was secretly while I was on supervisor release going

896
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 3: to Empire City and Yonkers because you can't be eighteen

897
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: to gamble in Connecticut, and I was about nineteen or twenty.

898
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to Empire to play backer at and I

899
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: would turn five hundred into twenty grand to help pay

900
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: off some of these artists I had, like wime CIA,

901
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: like blowing up my email, like demanding money so I

902
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: didn't get blacklisted in the agency because I needed it

903
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: to produce shows. And I'm going to this Caseino. I

904
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: remember days I'd be gambling when a couple thousand run

905
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: over the Bank of America where CIA had, you know,

906
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: their account there, and I'd deposit money and I'd run

907
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 3: back and play some more and it was dude, it

908
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: was crazy and this was my life every day while

909
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: running this nightclub that was attracting people from all over

910
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: the East Coast to.

911
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: This ant podcast. When did you get sentenced and how

912
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: much time did you get sentenced for?

913
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: So this is October twenty sixteen.

914
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: I'm twenty one years old and my bond gets revoked

915
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: because my friends that were working with me at the

916
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: club reported me the FBI because they wanted to take

917
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: the club from me, so they stitched on me. They

918
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: knew I was going out of state. That's how they

919
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: found out about it. Judge tells me, the party's over,

920
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: mister Bick.

921
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 4: I get remanded into custody, stripped out, shackled, and brought

922
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: on this you know, white van.

923
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Did you know that day was going to happen?

924
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: I knew that day was happening. I didn't think that

925
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: I was going to go to jail. I never thought

926
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: I was going to go to jail.

927
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Like you're just thinking somewhere or somehow I'm going to

928
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: get out of this.

929
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: Always that was always my mentality.

930
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: He's that good white privilege right there, that's that good

931
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: white privilege right there.

932
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: I get it. I know what you're that's that good

933
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: white privilege right there.

934
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: But that's not my mindset anymore.

935
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, I'm just.

936
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm making jokes because I know you're you're lighthearted about

937
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: your situation.

938
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: No offense at all. Okay, So slow down when you

939
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: say you get shackled and all that stuff, What is that? Like?

940
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: What do you remember from that? What's going through your

941
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: head when you are going to go to jail for

942
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 2: how long?

943
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: So a month later I would end up getting sentenced

944
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: to three years because the government asked for My guidelines

945
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: were eight to twelve. The government asked for seven years

946
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: at sentencing, and then my lawyer asked for probation or

947
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: house arrest because I wrote a big speech to the judge.

948
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I've been in prison for three weeks now,

949
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: which I thought was like it took forever months. I

950
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: saw a guy get his finger bitten off by another

951
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: man for cutting someone in the lunch line, like this

952
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: was a bad place. This wasn't a good place, like

953
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: when you're in a spot like it's I've never suffered

954
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: from claustrophobia or anything like that, but when you get

955
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: put into a cell like that and all everything's revoked

956
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: and you have no power going from a position of

957
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: power in a nightclub or anything in your life, and

958
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: that's all taken away from you. Like it's just like

959
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: your souls wrenched out from you and spending all that

960
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: time and like solitary six months. That shit can make

961
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: you crazy, That shit could screw you up, and it's

962
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: a real problem that's going on, and that like just

963
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: the feeling of getting They make it so you're humili

964
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: whatever the word is.

965
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 4: I can't really relate it.

966
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: Humiliated it you say a lot of worse and like

967
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: stripping you out, taking away your first name. Like you

968
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: feel like I was treated no different than how the

969
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: sex offenders people that touched kids. Like whatever people want

970
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: to think of me, you know, for what I did

971
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: or what happened, what may or may not have happened,

972
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 3: I was still treated like some of the worst people

973
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: in America are treated in that situation. I'm just like

974
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: this twenty one year old kid that's going through that.

975
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: So when did you realize you were actually going to

976
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: go for three years? And like, how are you?

977
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: You're twenty one, You've never gotten into trouble, like real trouble. Uh,

978
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: you know you've never gotten anything serious besides you know,

979
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: high school type of bad behavior.

980
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: Shit when you.

981
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Realize you're getting time in jail, Like what's happening through

982
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: your head?

983
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: And what was that first period of being in prison?

984
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: Like, dude, it was scary.

985
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: Like I remember getting sentenced, Like when the judge, so,

986
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: you give your speech, Government says their side, defense says

987
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: their side. Any you know, victims want to speak anyone else.

988
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: I remember seeing my mother, you know, like crying while

989
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: she was speaking and sitting in the courtroom and even

990
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: like you could hear her cry when I was actually sentenced.

991
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: And when the judge takes a break and comes back

992
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: and he's he says a whole speech, I'm sure, like

993
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: you've seen on TV. Says a whole speech. And then

994
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: he says thirty six months. And I'm sitting there like,

995
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: how long is thirty six months? Because you don't hear

996
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: when you when someone says, hey, i'll see you in

997
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 3: two years, you're not saying i'll see you in twenty

998
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: four months, at least in my eyes, absolutely, And I'm

999
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: counting for a second, and I don't even and hear

1000
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: the rest of what's going on. I had to read

1001
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: that A couple of days later. He lost me at

1002
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: the thirty six months, and then I realized, holy shit,

1003
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: three years in prison, a year a house arrest, and

1004
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: then they're talking about all the conditions I was going

1005
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: to be on. I had to see a therapist for

1006
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: a year. I couldn't gamble, I couldn't do all these things.

1007
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I can't even think about that right now,

1008
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: because that's three years from now and no one's telling

1009
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: me or training me, or I didn't have time to

1010
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: research how much time you actually do on the three

1011
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: years or anything. And the second you're handcuffed and let

1012
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: out of that room, your life changes forever. Because as

1013
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: much as you pay your lawyer, as much as anyone's

1014
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: there for you, they can't really be there for you.

1015
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Your parents can give you all the love and support

1016
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: in the world, your friend, you could have all the

1017
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: money in the world, but once they haul you away,

1018
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 3: you have you're on your own.

1019
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

1020
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: You have zero power.

1021
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: Man, Okay, this is just a lot. I can't do

1022
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: your whole life story. So I want to keep asking questions.

1023
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I want to jump in this because I've seen you

1024
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: talk about so many things.

1025
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 4: Now we get to the prison stuff.

1026
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are some of the easiest things that you

1027
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: personally except besides being a solitary confiner I see, besides like, oh,

1028
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: besides being solitary confinement for six months, what were some

1029
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: of the crazy things that you dealt with that you

1030
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: saw while.

1031
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 2: You were in prison?

1032
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: You want an exclusive that I've never told anyone before. Cool.

1033
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: So I was at the Oxford prison camp in Wisconsin

1034
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: and the first weekend I'm there. This is a Friday

1035
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: night my window. These are four man bunks. Now, Oxford

1036
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: Prison is a camp, you know Otisville Camp, and that

1037
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: all the celebrities go to. This is the Otisville but

1038
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: out in the Midwest. One hundred inmates. There's a dog program.

1039
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: There's dogs walking around. One security guard to these hundred inmates.

1040
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 3: When they call it club fed, this is club fed.

1041
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: You got the bachi ball court, you got the volleyball court.

1042
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: You want to play pickleball, There's a pickleball court. There's

1043
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: a basketball court. There's the track.

1044
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: We have a gym.

1045
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: The lunch is season like the food season because it's

1046
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: a cafeteria.

1047
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: You know who I did time with there.

1048
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: George Papadopoulos from Trump's campaign or whatever was there and

1049
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: I spent He was there for fourteen days.

1050
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: TMZ was outside.

1051
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: We had contraband cell phones trying to sell his photos

1052
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: to TMZ in the library. They didn't bite because he

1053
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: wasn't there long enough, and then it was old news. Anyways,

1054
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: my first Friday night there, I'm looking out my window

1055
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: and there's inmates running across. It's like dusk, like five

1056
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: or six pm, with garbage bags full of stuff. And

1057
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what this is, and I'm nosy, and

1058
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: that's something you can't be in prison, is nosy.

1059
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 4: But this is a camp.

1060
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 3: A lot of people are snitches there or whatever, and

1061
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: they're running in across like the basketball court, and there's

1062
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: a guy that's looking out inside. There's no cameras at

1063
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: this camp either, and they're on contraband phones. They're saying,

1064
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: coast is clear. Another inmate's distracting the guard and the

1065
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: officers unit. And these guys come in and they go

1066
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: to another little pot area and they dump these garbage bags.

1067
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: McDonald's Deep Chicago deep dish, pizza, cell phones, protein powder, shoes, anything,

1068
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: you name it. Was getting brought in during this time period,

1069
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: and it's like longest yard where you have the burger

1070
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: guide giving everyone the burgers to pay everyone off.

1071
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: This is what was going on.

1072
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: Now here's the exclusive. I would later become one of

1073
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: these runners that would go across the field and go

1074
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: through the woods because it was an adrenaline rush. I

1075
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: didn't need the money. I didn't it was just exciting.

1076
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: I was alone. I was in Wisconsin.

1077
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 3: They shipped me, you know, six hundred miles away from

1078
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: my home because I dated a guard's cousin in the Danbury,

1079
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: Connecticut prison, and so they put me on con air,

1080
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: which is another crazy story in itself, and they shipped

1081
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: me out there and I would become the runner and

1082
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: I would run through the woods picking up packages. I

1083
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: was still on the prison grounds, never left the prison grounds,

1084
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: but inmates parents.

1085
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 4: Would drop off.

1086
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: Goods of services or whatever, drop it off there and

1087
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: I would pick it up and in bulk, in bulk

1088
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: anything protein powder. Hey, Ian, I want sushi this weekend. Okay,

1089
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: I have your people set it up. Send me the money.

1090
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: Boom bit a bing, We're good. I'd run, grab it,

1091
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: bring it into the prison. Everyone was doing this even

1092
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: the head orderly that was the assistant, you know whatever,

1093
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: he was getting things smuggled in.

1094
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 4: Guys would go.

1095
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: The visits were so relaxed, you don't get strip searched

1096
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: on the visits, so your parents would like slide you

1097
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: a phone. This is all changing now because there was

1098
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: an incident recently where someone brought a gun in on

1099
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: a visit.

1100
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: It was in the news.

1101
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: So the prison systems cracking down, but it poses a

1102
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: question why we even have camps to begin with. It

1103
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy, and there's guys at these camps that

1104
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: are doing ten years or less. So that was one story,

1105
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: and I would say the second craziest story is when

1106
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: the guard assaulted me, like sexually assaulted me, sexually harassed me,

1107
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, at this prison camp

1108
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: in the same one, at the same one, and the

1109
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: prison system covered it up.

1110
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 2: And what was that? How did that happen?

1111
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: So this prison had a scratch bakery. Some of the

1112
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: federal prisons have scratched bakeries where some of the inmates

1113
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: become bakersackground and food. I had worked in restaurants, my

1114
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: dad was a caterer. The bakery job opened up, I

1115
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 3: became the baker and I would get up at four am.

1116
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: They like, hit your bunk, you come out and you

1117
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: go and you bake. Were baking cinnamon buns, muffins, all this.

1118
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: And my bunk mate was one of the cooks and

1119
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: bakers there too, so we did it together.

1120
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 4: One morning. This is like six months I have left

1121
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 4: on my sentence.

1122
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: I get woken up and not him, so I thought

1123
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: it was weird, but whatever, I went and this officer, tall, skinny,

1124
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: penis shaped head looking guy always had his pants really

1125
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: high tucked in, kind of smelled a little bad.

1126
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1127
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: He was the supervising officer because there always is a

1128
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: guard with you. And this guy would give me extra

1129
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: meals at the prison show haul. He would let me

1130
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: skip the line. He would let me smuggle out the

1131
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: brick Philadelphia cream cheese. Because I was a cheesecake maker,

1132
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 3: non baked cheesecakes. I would sell them two dollars a slice.

1133
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: Best cheesecake you'll ever have. Yours are the prison one.

1134
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: So with the cream where you got to try it?

1135
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: What time I'll make you one, okay? And I would

1136
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: sell that as my hustle. And so he would give

1137
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: me the real cream cheese, because the commissary cream cheese,

1138
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: non refrigerated cream cheese is the worst thing you could

1139
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: ever happen.

1140
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: It's like putty or whatever.

1141
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 3: So we're sitting there one day and I'm scooping muff

1142
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: and mix out of the tub into this thing, and

1143
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: he's standing next to me and we're talking. He had

1144
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: taken like a liking to me, like I thought I

1145
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: as a friend, just talking about whatever, and I'm scooping

1146
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: the muff and mix, and then all of a sudden,

1147
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: I feel a little rub on my elbow. It was

1148
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: his hand, and I looked to the right and he's

1149
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 3: like like rubbing it like weirdly, for like thirty seconds

1150
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: or whatever, and I don't think anything of it.

1151
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, this has to be an accident. Maybe he

1152
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 4: saw something, maybe there was a bug. I don't know.

1153
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 4: And I go back to scooping the muff and mix.

1154
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: A couple seconds passed by whatever, that hand goes to

1155
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 3: my thigh and he's rubbing my thigh a little bit.

1156
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: This is weird, and shit, I'm like, I don't know

1157
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 4: what to do. There's no camera, it'd be weird.

1158
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just don't do that to someone, especially when

1159
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: you have an inmate and an officer that complicates things.

1160
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: No shit, the hand then moves to my ass on

1161
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: the right cheek. And it's funny to tell it, but

1162
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: it's a serious thing.

1163
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: You know.

1164
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: It's scary as fun it is because it just this.

1165
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'm probably twenty two at the time, and

1166
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: if I hit him, I knew well enough. If I

1167
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: hit him, I was going in getting five years. And

1168
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: it's always the inmates word versus the officers, and you

1169
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: always lose.

1170
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: In that scenario.

1171
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: And I didn't want to report it at that time

1172
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to go back to the shoe.

1173
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: In these scenarios, they always lock up the inmate into

1174
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: the shoe, and it's like punishment when you didn't do

1175
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: anything wrong. You're getting punished after already being punished, right,

1176
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: And so that happens. I was like, Okay, this is

1177
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: a one time thing. It's not going to happen again.

1178
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: I avoided him for a while, said I was sick,

1179
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: hauled out on a couple shifts, and two weeks a

1180
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: week or two weeks go by, I'm in the walk

1181
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 3: in cooler and normally the walking cooler is always locked

1182
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: and the prison guard would unlock it and stand outside

1183
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 3: because it's very narrow. Well, he unlocks it and comes

1184
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: in and shuts the door, and it's a very narrow hallway.

1185
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: So I grabbed the sheet of cook I went to go,

1186
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, reheat or whatever, bake off, and he forces

1187
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: me to rub my butt up against his groin area

1188
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 3: while I'm trying to sneak out of the walkeet. That

1189
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: was a final straw, and me and my bunk ended

1190
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: up reporting it because the whole compound, it's a small compound,

1191
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: inmates gossip more than a high school girls. Everyone knew

1192
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: about it. Everyone knew what was going on. People were

1193
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: coming up to me fist pumping me, saying, yo, bick,

1194
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: you got to get him to bring in some stuff

1195
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: for us, this and that. But it felt wrong, like

1196
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: because I wasn't I didn't want that. I didn't want that,

1197
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: and I never voiced that to him. But I shouldn't

1198
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: have had to voice that to him in that scenario.

1199
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: We reported it, sat down with the lieutenant, the detective

1200
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: of the prison. They said they weren't going to lock

1201
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: me up into the shoe because I was short on

1202
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: my sentence and they could move him to the Medium.

1203
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: Nothing ever came from it. They did investigations. Whatever I

1204
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: got out Still to this day, I don't know what happened.

1205
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: I then go big on social media, have the podcast,

1206
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: and a couple months ago one of the guards that

1207
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: work at the Oxford prison camp at the Medium reach

1208
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: out to me and he's like, hey, was the person

1209
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 3: that did this to you?

1210
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: Name so and so And I was like, yeah, how

1211
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: did you know?

1212
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: He's like, well, he's been accused of that multiple times

1213
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: in the past, and he said he hasn't seen him there.

1214
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: He doesn't work there anymore. But they never followed up

1215
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 3: with me. I wrote a letter to the judge, and

1216
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: the judges is all public record. The judge ordered the

1217
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: US attorney to look into it and they said it

1218
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: couldn't be founded or whatever. But if you asked any

1219
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: inmate that was in that prison with me, they could

1220
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: tell you that that happened. And then that was a

1221
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: thing and the system just let it slide and didn't

1222
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 3: do anything about it.

1223
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, And what about there was another story you

1224
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: talked about on your podcast on Socials about you getting

1225
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: into a fight or somebody smack and your glasses off

1226
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: or something like this, and then you referred to what

1227
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: as the smack in the class.

1228
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one actually went. No Jumper posted that clip

1229
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 3: on everywhere and it went viral a couple months ago.

1230
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: That's what helped blow up the pod cast. So what

1231
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: happened was this is you remember the cell phone investigation

1232
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: I was talking about. I was excited that they locked

1233
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 3: me up at that point for this protective custody or

1234
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, because guys are trying

1235
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: to extort me at this prison compound. This was about

1236
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: a couple three months into my sentence, and this is

1237
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 3: the low security with low security, but they still try

1238
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: to do the extortion.

1239
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why.

1240
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: There were these guys from Baltimore, and Baltimore has a

1241
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: bad rep in prison, and they are guys that are

1242
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: known for being like sexual predators. These are guys that

1243
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: came from a medium and penitentiary, so they work their

1244
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: way down, and some guys that work their way down

1245
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: when they hit a low security yard, they still have

1246
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: that mentality of how they have to operate. They're walking

1247
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 3: around with steel rods like they're at a medium or

1248
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: a high security. They're going with their boots to the

1249
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: shower where they you wear your boots to the shower

1250
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 3: and you leave them outside with your steel rods, so

1251
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: you're ready to go at a moment's notice. So they

1252
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: see this kid running around me, and everyone was calling

1253
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: me mcloven. They gave me that nickname. I've had a

1254
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: couple nicknames, mcgloven, Squints, Bieber, but the name that stuck

1255
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: the most was mclovin.

1256
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: And shout out to the real mclovin from the movie Superbad. Superbad.

1257
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: And what ends up happening is they see this white,

1258
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: nerdy kid not riding with a car. Instead of gangs,

1259
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: they're called cars, like the New York Car, East Coast Car, whatever.

1260
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 3: And they see me running around. I'm involved in the gambling.

1261
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm shooting dice, you know, I'm running around with food,

1262
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm hanging out with everyone. I'm hanging out with the Blacks,

1263
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: the Mexicans, the whites, whatever. And that's a no no

1264
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: for what I was doing and where they came from.

1265
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: So they looked at me as fresh prey. And one

1266
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: day I'm walking in the hall and the bathroom's right here,

1267
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: and one guy comes up behind, the other guy comes

1268
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: from the front and They pushed me into the bathroom

1269
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: and one guy grabs my shirt and pushes me up

1270
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: against the wall and he's like, hey, yo, listen, this

1271
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: is what's gonna happen.

1272
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: He gives me a note.

1273
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 3: He's like, you're gonna have your people send money to

1274
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: this so I could get a cell phone, and then

1275
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: you're going to be paying me for protection to use

1276
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: that cell phone weekly. And it was like a couple

1277
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: hundred bucks a week. They wanted like three grand up

1278
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: front and this and that. I knew I could call

1279
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: my dad for three grand and give the man a

1280
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: heart attack, or even have him come up with the

1281
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: money to do that.

1282
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: So I said no in that moment.

1283
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: And at this point, like I'm accustomed to the compound,

1284
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm gaining a little balls, I guess you could say,

1285
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: I'm moving around, And so he slaps me right in

1286
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: the face. Glasses fly across the bathroom. And when something

1287
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: like this goes down, everyone clears out of the bathroom.

1288
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: No one's here to help you.

1289
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: There's other people in the bathroom.

1290
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: When they see something like this, they all walk out.

1291
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: They could be in the middle of brushing their teeth,

1292
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: taking the shit. They don't want to be involved. They're

1293
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: out of there because they might get in trouble. I

1294
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: think they just don't want to get involved in the

1295
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: politics of it. And this all even my own bunk

1296
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: mates when this was all going down, people that I

1297
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: was breaking bread with, eating with every night, they did

1298
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 3: nothing to help me. I was to the wolves, and

1299
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: at that moment, I thought, I'm gonna get changed. I

1300
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen, because this is my

1301
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: first violent experience that happened towards me and prison. And

1302
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: they smacked me and they're like, listen, it's gonna be

1303
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: a lot more than that if you don't get us

1304
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: this money. So they like six months they let me go.

1305
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 3: Five six months they let me go, and I'm thinking,

1306
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell do I do? So what

1307
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: I end up doing is I knew I was in

1308
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: that moment. I knew I was never giving them the money.

1309
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: I took offence that they smacked me. My glasses like

1310
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: broke a little bit. I was upset about it, and

1311
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: I didn't cry. I wanted to cry. But and and

1312
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: a funny joke on social media is that my cheeks

1313
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: are still red from that slat.

1314
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, which is great. And and what kind of

1315
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: guys were they were? They big guys, the.

1316
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: Black guys, big yeah, big guys. Fack yeah. They pulled

1317
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: me up.

1318
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: They were able to pick me up on my shirt

1319
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: against this wall. And I'm a big guy at that

1320
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: I'm chubbing. I'm really chubby at that point. Okay, And

1321
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: so I end up befriending New York Car in New

1322
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 3: Jersey is the biggest car gang you could call it, right.

1323
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: I ended up befriending a couple guys that had a

1324
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 3: lot of respect in that prison. He was one of

1325
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: the guys that you know, he had been dan in

1326
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: and out of federal prison for like ten years. He

1327
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: gave me the nickname mclovin. And he's one of those

1328
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: guys that he was fun. They liked being around me.

1329
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: I'm a likable person and they were hanging around with me.

1330
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: We played spades, cards, did all these things. And what

1331
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 3: I did was he had no money, so I started

1332
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 3: buying him fifty sixty bucks worth a commissary every week.

1333
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: He didn't make me buy it for him. I offered

1334
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: it to him. And in return, these other guys that

1335
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: were trying to screw with me thought I was now

1336
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: this guy's prison bitch, and they had to back off

1337
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: because of the politics of it, these two guys. Baltimore's

1338
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 3: a smaller car, so I leveraged the politics of it

1339
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: so it looked like I was paying these other guys

1340
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: for protection and they couldn't go up against that. These

1341
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 3: other guys, the bad guys, the Baltimore guys, were causing

1342
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: so much rucus on this compound. People set them up,

1343
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: put cell phones on their beds, dropped the note, and

1344
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: they got them out of there quick because they don't

1345
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: want that shit in there. They were messing up the ecosystem.

1346
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: Too much attention to the unit. Wow, and that's what

1347
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: ends up happening. And I don't get stabbed or anything

1348
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 3: like that, and that's how I survived. But people, when

1349
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: I tell that story, and when you see a white

1350
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: kid like me on TikTok with a red banner saying

1351
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 3: my experience in prison or the time I paid for protection,

1352
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: gets people to stop because it's like, what is this

1353
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: nerdy mcglove and asked, look a kid with the glasses

1354
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: and red cheeks. He didn't go to prison. And that's

1355
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: what makes it go. That's what works like everything got

1356
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: pieced together in my life for that And it's crazy.

1357
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: So have you found that going through the three years,

1358
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: going through all your experiences, Like when you look back

1359
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: on it, you think, what I think?

1360
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: This was the best thing that's ever happened to me

1361
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: in my life because of what I think. So there's

1362
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: two pieces to this. For the longest time, when I

1363
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: went to prison, I studied WOLFEO. Wall Street, Jordan Belford.

1364
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: I read the books. I read every you know memoir

1365
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: in prison. Red Orange is a new Black book. I

1366
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: read every memoir of every celebrity that's gone to prison.

1367
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: I was in prison with Teresa Guidas's guiddus.

1368
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 4: Husband time you were in prison with Joe Judae, I

1369
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 4: was in prison with Joe.

1370
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: I would see Teresa, who went to the Danbury prison

1371
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: where my hometown was. She was out of prison at

1372
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: that point. She was on visits. Me and my dad

1373
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: would be sitting on a visit and she would be

1374
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 3: there with the kids visiting Joe in the visiting room

1375
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: and everyone's staring and everything. But I was in prison

1376
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: with Joe. I stood behind him in the lunch line

1377
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: A couple of times said what up to him? We

1378
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 3: were never friends. We never talked, but I was in

1379
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 3: prison with him. I was on his side of the compound,

1380
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:26,479
Speaker 3: the east side.

1381
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: Now, are you a real housewife person?

1382
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: No, I never got into it.

1383
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of real housewife people watching this and

1384
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit, yeah, you were in prison with

1385
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: Joe Judice and you were there when Teresa Judice was

1386
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: visiting Joe Judice.

1387
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: That was a big, big, big sad moment in Real Housewife,

1388
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: Bravo TV World.

1389
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: Those clips always go viral, and I tell and I

1390
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 3: interview a lot of people from the woman's prison who

1391
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: spent time with Teresa, and those people are fascinated. Anytime,

1392
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: it's guaranteed views. When you put Teresa gis guy, I

1393
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 3: don't know how to Jude Ice you respectfully, please, Sorry,

1394
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: She's been through enough when she's a changed woman, That's

1395
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: what she says. I post the clips and they always

1396
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: do well because people are fascinated. Between that and George Papadopoulos,

1397
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: those are my celebrities that I got to physically meet

1398
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: in prison.

1399
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: So finish what you were saying, just in terms of

1400
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: the best thing that could happen to you.

1401
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 3: So when I studied those people, I thought by that point,

1402
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: because society has trained everyone where prison's bad, no one

1403
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: talks about prison. A lot of the big celebrities are

1404
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: at this point in time four years ago. We're not

1405
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: talking about their prison stays. I know, like Robert Downey

1406
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 3: Junior just did a whole interview about his prison experience,

1407
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: but that took years, and so I'd never thought prison

1408
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: would be the thing I talk about. So I'm figuring, Okay,

1409
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: I owned a nightclub at eighteen book worldwide acts, went

1410
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: to federal prison. That's the story. This is gonna be huge,

1411
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a movie, this is gonna be

1412
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: a TV show. So when I got out of prison,

1413
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: one my mentality is that I wanted to get back

1414
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: in the nightclub business. But that ended up up tanking,

1415
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 3: and luckily it did because a year later COVID would

1416
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: have happened. So even if I somehow managed to pull

1417
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 3: it off, i'd either one be back at jail or two.

1418
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: You know, but didn't you learn from going to prison

1419
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 2: that the nightclub business was not for Ian Bick? No,

1420
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1421
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 4: I learned the money aspect wasn't. But I had the

1422
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 4: idea that this was gonna work.

1423
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 3: This club thing if I had done it right with

1424
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: the money, with everything, because I was a great marketer

1425
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: and I didn't piece any of this together yet. So

1426
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: I had written like three chapters of the book, sent

1427
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 3: it to probably one hundred and fifty literary agents. I'm

1428
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 3: queering people. Out of those one hundred and fifty, and

1429
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: these are the biggest literary agents in the country, three

1430
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: or four.

1431
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 4: Get back to me. They asked for the chapters, never

1432
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 4: follow up. That was a dud. All this stuff's had.

1433
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm reaching out to producers, got in front of some

1434
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, big people, and a lot of them just

1435
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 3: they don't see the story. They don't believe in it.

1436
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: And I'm just thinking, in my heart, this is gonna

1437
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 3: be it. I'm telling you, like, this is what's my redemption.

1438
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: This is the Ian bickstory. I then give up on

1439
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: pursuing that and I get my job at Whole Foods.

1440
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 3: This is in twenty nineteen, and I worked my way

1441
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 3: up and Whole Foods allowed me to have credit that

1442
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: I never had before, to get a car, to get

1443
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: a dog, to get my own apartment, because when I

1444
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: was still owning the club, I was still living at

1445
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: my parents and I had no money, so I rebuilt

1446
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: my life. The last piece of the puzzle was buying

1447
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 3: a car in my own name. That night I buy

1448
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: the car. I got a DM in my spam inbox

1449
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: on Facebook from a intern at HBO or a Jigsaw

1450
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 3: Productions that was partnering with HBO Max to do this documentary.

1451
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: And I've always checked my dms because that could be

1452
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: even the spam, because your greatest opportunity could be there.

1453
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: And I see that and I get on the phone

1454
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: with her, and then six months later we got the

1455
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: green light to produce it. And I'm still in the

1456
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: mindset because HBO never covered the prison stuff. That documentary,

1457
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: which is off HBO now since they merged with The Discover,

1458
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 3: was always about the nightclub stuff, the story of why

1459
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: Ian Bick went to prison and Advice did the same thing.

1460
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: So I believed that that's it. That's it's the story.

1461
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 3: Hollywood loves it.

1462
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 4: That's it. That's what Jordan Belfort did.

1463
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: This is great.

1464
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: It comes out.

1465
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 3: They didn't promote it or anything. I was just one

1466
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 3: episode in a ten episode series. I didn't really promote

1467
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: it because I was so focused on Whole Foods. I

1468
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: was embarrassed to talking about prison. Didn't talk about it

1469
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: to anyone. My parents didn't ask me questions because it's

1470
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: such society trains you. That's a sore subject. The vice

1471
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: thing happens, whatever. Then last year comes about with the

1472
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 3: MTV thing, and I'm starting to tell TikTok's about prison.

1473
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 3: After I went viral, other creators started reaching out to

1474
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 3: me and stitching me on TikTok and redoing duets, and

1475
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: I realize there is a whole world of prison TikTok

1476
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: of prison YouTube. That's a billions of people are watching,

1477
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 3: billions of views. And that's when it hit me. The

1478
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: story is not Ian bick going having a nightclub whatever. Yes,

1479
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 3: that's unique. Yes, most people can't do it. Well, will

1480
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: an eighty year old grandmother stop and watch me talking

1481
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 3: about booking the Chainsmokers? No, well, an eighty year old grandmother,

1482
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: would every single person in America that can watch a

1483
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: video listen in on why a white, nerdy, twenty one

1484
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: year old kid got extored in federal prison. Because that's

1485
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: a fascination of it, Because not everyone could go to prison,

1486
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: but every single person's fascinated about it.

1487
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 4: And that's when it hit me like a light bulb.

1488
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: And is that when you started.

1489
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: Interviewing other people who had been to prison and how

1490
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: did that how did you connect with those people? No.

1491
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: So, from August of last year to January or December

1492
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, I'm living off my credit cards.

1493
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: I had enough credit lines on the credit cards because

1494
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm gonna be a big TikToker and social

1495
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: media star. I got ten thousand followers. Great, I'm in

1496
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 3: the creativity fund. I'm going to roll in money. From

1497
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: August to December, I made like forty five hundred bucks, yeah,

1498
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 3: on all the sites, and I had like one hundred

1499
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,479
Speaker 3: million views. It was nothing so, and I was also

1500
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 3: getting burnt out because I was recording four times a day.

1501
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: I was doing it every day, four times a day,

1502
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 3: sitting in my car. That's how I first started going viral,

1503
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 3: sitting in my car doing the selfie videos. And I'm like,

1504
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 3: I can't keep telling these stories anymore. I can't keep

1505
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: talking at making it about me. This isn't sustainable. All

1506
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: the creators are getting burnt out. So I said the

1507
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 3: one thing I told myself I would never do is

1508
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 3: have a podcast because I believed at the time the

1509
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 3: market was oversaturated, and I would and I would only

1510
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 3: do it if I could come up with something unique. Yes,

1511
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: I said, I have this network that I've made of

1512
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: prison TikTokers, and everyone's just using selfie videos. So what

1513
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 3: if I professionalize it? What if I stick these creators

1514
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: in front of a real system, a real camera, and

1515
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: shoot it like a podcast. Come up with the name

1516
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 3: locked in with Ian Bick, get these guys to partner

1517
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: with me that owned a studio in New York. And

1518
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: the first three episodes sucked. It was me reading a

1519
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: list of questions. There were good questions, but it was

1520
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: so cringe when you look at it. There was one

1521
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: wide camera angle. It wasn't shot for reels. And that's

1522
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: why I never do people's first podcast. When people say

1523
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 3: to me, do you want to be on my I'm

1524
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 3: starting a podcast, will be the first podcast?

1525
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 2: I go, call me when you've done one hundred episodes exactly.

1526
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 4: And mister Beast is so right about that about one

1527
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 4: hundred YouTube videos.

1528
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Well, who's mister Beast?

1529
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 4: You don't know who mister Beast is. What fuck is

1530
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 4: mister bee the biggest YouTuber in the world.

1531
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't know who mister Beast is you know who

1532
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: mister be I don't know who mister beast is. Like,

1533
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: you're big on Twitter, do what is mister beast? He

1534
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: has a big beast on YouTube?

1535
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, and he puts millions into his videos.

1536
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: Great guests you gotta have on he's doing his podcast rounds.

1537
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, So mister Beast, I want to talk to

1538
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: mister Beast, the beast of YouTube.

1539
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 4: He always says that, like, your first one hundred videos

1540
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 4: are going to suck.

1541
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.

1542
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 3: I was able to pivot extremely fast by the third episode.

1543
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 3: I'm starting to study people like Jay Shetty. I'm starting

1544
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: to read books. I'm starting to listen to interviews and

1545
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: develop my questions so it's not just question answer, question answer.

1546
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 3: We changed the set so it's one camera angle and

1547
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: the guest one camera angle on me. Every clip that

1548
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 3: you see on TikTok, I had it myself. I learned

1549
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 3: how to cut on inshot on iPad, and I just

1550
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 3: recently upgraded the premiere pro.

1551
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 4: I do all the clips.

1552
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 3: I make twenty eight to thirty pieces of content a week,

1553
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: and we put out two full length episodes a week.

1554
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: Because in my mindset was what is a competition doing.

1555
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: The competition is putting out one episode a week. I

1556
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: want to go to two. The competition in terms of

1557
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: the in my World and prison YouTube. Obviously there's plenty

1558
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: of podcasts that do like three or four.

1559
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 4: I think you do what too?

1560
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: Or two a week?

1561
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: Two?

1562
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1563
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: I late to YouTube and all that stuff. For a while.

1564
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: I was just audio in whatever anyway, go ahead.

1565
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 3: So January of this year, I have about three thousand

1566
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 3: subscribers on my YouTube just from shorts.

1567
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 4: I had never posted a full length video.

1568
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 3: Every time I made a short in my car, I

1569
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: would save it without the TikTok logo, and that would

1570
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 3: go on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, shorts and TikTok, and I've

1571
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: a mass thousands of followers from.

1572
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 4: That on each platform.

1573
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 3: And so I post a couple videos and I get

1574
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: like a thousand views, two thousand views whatever. This goes

1575
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 3: on from January to March, and March I go to

1576
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 3: two episodes a week because I want to put the rhythm.

1577
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: Because at that point I was talking to agencies that

1578
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: took interest because of my TikTok following, but they were

1579
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 3: realizing that all these TikTokers want to start a podcast.

1580
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't translate into downloads necessarily, is what a lot

1581
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: of people are realizing. But they said, listen, when you

1582
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 3: meet that ten thousand download threshold, we'll talk on the audio.

1583
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 4: And I wasn't at that. I was nowhere near that.

1584
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: And I had a couple great episodes. You know what

1585
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 3: changed my life? What April and April of this year.

1586
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 3: Everything happened simultaneously. I figured out the purpose of the podcast,

1587
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: because for those few months it had no purpose. It

1588
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: was just me interviewing individuals. But then I started because

1589
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 3: I always had the TikTokers who have told their story

1590
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,560
Speaker 3: a thousand times, and those stories are all right. I

1591
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 3: then start bringing on the people from all over the country.

1592
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 3: I fly them out who have never told their story,

1593
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: and these would be guys I would talk about getting

1594
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 3: raped in prison, or almost dying from addiction or anything,

1595
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 3: the craziest stories. And these stories start to get traction.

1596
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: You put on a catchy thumbnail, catchy title, and these

1597
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: stories are getting out out there. And I realized that

1598
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 3: this is my purpose, this is what I was meant

1599
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 3: to do. Give people a voice that don't usually have

1600
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 3: a voice. Make it so much more than about Ian

1601
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 3: bick and in that process, it will inspire. If you're

1602
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 3: sitting at home, you just lost your job, you just

1603
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, you got a divorce, anything like that, and

1604
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: you're feeling down, you watch a video of someone that's

1605
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: saying how they went through the lowest of the worst,

1606
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: lost everything, addicted to drugs, almost died, whatever you name it.

1607
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 3: They've been through the worst. And someone that's sitting at home,

1608
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: struggling to lose weight, divorced, anything, is watching that. They

1609
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: get inspired and it quickly turned into a podcast that's

1610
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 3: entertainment and motivation. You mix that together and it's something

1611
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 3: that's never been done before in this field. And that's

1612
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 3: when things started taking off. The downloads went from ten

1613
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 3: thousand to fifteen thousand, and simultaneously, my clips are going

1614
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 3: viral from my podcast. I did a solo episode on

1615
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 3: No Jumper and all these sites in Daily Loud, and

1616
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,879
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, everything's coming together and TikTok

1617
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 3: just bounces up, and I stopped posting selfie videos and

1618
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 3: I just started doing the podcast clips and now the

1619
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: YouTube from January three thousand subscribers to now one hundred

1620
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: and forty five thousand, rapid growth I could put out

1621
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: an episode in two days. It's going to have ten

1622
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: thousand views.

1623
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

1624
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 3: And the thing I love about the podcast, which differs

1625
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 3: in a lot of people in my genre podcast audio

1626
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: or video growth. Okay, the thing I love about it

1627
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 3: is that the first half of the podcast is what

1628
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: you would think of as not salacious. It's kind of boring.

1629
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 3: We're talking about people's childhoods. We're humanizing people that have

1630
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 3: the label of whatever it is that they did. We're

1631
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 3: bringing them back to childhood. We're discussing it's like a

1632
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 3: therapy session. We're discussing their root issues, where they came from,

1633
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 3: the mistakes and the things that happened along the way.

1634
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: And then it gets into the crazy stuff that make

1635
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 3: the clips go viral and stuff. But people are listening

1636
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 3: to that first part and it changes the stigma world

1637
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 3: that your past does not define your future, and that's

1638
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 3: you're not that same person.

1639
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: I like that, and that is exactly what I enjoy

1640
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: and respect and am entertained by watching your stuff. Exactly

1641
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: what you said, So you are doing a great job

1642
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: with that. And also I think one thing, even what

1643
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: you're saying is making some things in terms of myself

1644
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: and what I do click because you're looking at it

1645
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: in a business point of view, but also from an

1646
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: there's an artistry to storytelling, you know.

1647
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: But I like that, you know, from a business point

1648
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: of view.

1649
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: And I say hustling, and I say it in a

1650
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: good way, not in a derogatory term, because I think

1651
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: that term is so overused. You know, your your hustler mentality,

1652
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 1: and again I'm saying that respectfully.

1653
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: You know, has helped that.

1654
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: How do you check the people, the men and the

1655
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: women that you have on your podcast, how do you

1656
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: check their paperwork? Because how do you know you're not

1657
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,440
Speaker 1: going to have some piece of shit on your podcast

1658
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: who's saying.

1659
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, I did you know six years for this, that

1660
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: and the third?

1661
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: And it turns out that this guy did nine years

1662
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: for some shit that you don't want to be associated with.

1663
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 4: So this is the way I look at it.

1664
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: One, I have a forum set up on my website

1665
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 3: where people can apply to come on the show. We

1666
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 3: have hundreds of people that have been piling their applications

1667
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 3: because they get inspired. People that won't talk about their

1668
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: stuff will now come on and talk about it because

1669
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: it's an open, safe space to talk about it. And

1670
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 3: they know the inspiration it can give to others. And

1671
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: that's why I read all my dms and I see

1672
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: all the love and the support, because a lot of

1673
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 3: celebrities in this world have disconnected from the people that

1674
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,440
Speaker 3: have gotten them there in that sense, like the responses,

1675
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: And I remember being that person hitting up the big

1676
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 3: podcast to come on their show and do all these

1677
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 3: different things and never getting responses or that. So I

1678
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 3: never wanted to make someone that comes on my show

1679
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: feel like that they weren't important enough to tell their story.

1680
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 3: And the way I look at with checking their paperwork,

1681
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 3: like I'll do a search, We'll research news articles just

1682
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 3: to make sure that they at least came to jail.

1683
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 3: If they want to come on and lie about why

1684
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 3: they went to jail or anything like that, and if

1685
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 3: it's public record, obviously I'll know why they went to jail,

1686
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 3: but small details and stuff, it's not on me to judge.

1687
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: It's for me to give them a safe space for

1688
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 3: them to tell their story, give them an opportunity to

1689
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 3: show that they are a human too, and that they've

1690
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 3: learned from their experience. And the platform is big enough

1691
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: now where if they want to fuck that up, that's

1692
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: on them. I don't think my viewers are blaming me

1693
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 3: for that. I'm just guiding the conversation because each episode

1694
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: does its own documentary we go. It's not just the

1695
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 3: salacious clips right off the back. It's beginning childhood all

1696
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 3: the way through to the end. And that's what makes

1697
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 3: it so much different than a lot of post in

1698
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 3: this genre, maybe even podcast in general. I'll do a

1699
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 3: lot of podcasts where because I try to get back

1700
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 3: and go on these pods and that have just started

1701
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 3: and they just ask an open ended question.

1702
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: It's like, tell me all the great stuff, and I

1703
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 4: hate doing that. I want to do them, but I

1704
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 4: hate doing.

1705
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: That and I can't stand it. I've been on I'm

1706
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: not going to say any names. I've been on very

1707
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: popular podcast. You know, they'd have you on the prison

1708
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 1: You went to prison? Tell me about that? Yeah, And

1709
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: you're like, I agree, Ian bc ianbik dot com. Yes,

1710
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: that's where you can find all your stuff.

1711
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 2: Uh, it's b I c K.

1712
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's great content. My last question, how

1713
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: are you going to make sure you don't get in

1714
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:41,759
Speaker 1: any more trouble going forward?

1715
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a few things I keep my circle

1716
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 3: very tight. I'm eliminating everything in my life that I

1717
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 3: don't see in the future, whether it's friends, relationships, anything,

1718
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 3: if I don't see them in the five year plan.

1719
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: Life's too short. I have friends that are dying that

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01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: I went to high school with. I went to this

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 3: recovery conference in Arkansas last week and just seeing these

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: stories and life's just too short. And I was always

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: the person that was work, work, work, work, work till

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01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 3: you die, work whatever. And now I'm taking time to

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01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 3: enjoy my free time a little bit, spend time with

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 3: people I love and care about. And those are the

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01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 3: people that are going to keep me on track, the

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01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 3: people that'll check me. If you know, I have some

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 3: great people in my life. Now, who are you know?

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Speaker 3: Like if I'll bring up an ide and they'll say, no,

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 3: I don't think you should do that, and the OLDI

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Speaker 3: in And this is how I've known I've come a

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 3: long way, because the Oldian wouldn't value their opinion. The

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: eighteen year old Dean would say, Okay, I heard you,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't really hear you because I was doing

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 3: it my way. Now I have a trusted group, but bored,

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: I guess you could say I have advisors that are

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 3: helped guiding me, help shaping me, and I've surrounded myself

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01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: with great people who are in it to see me

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01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 3: win and are not in it for themselves. And I

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: think that changed everything, because throughout my life I've gone

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 3: in different acts, and when I'm the center stage with

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 3: the biggest celebrities in the world around me, everyone's leaching

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 3: on and those people disappeared. And now that things are

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01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: starting to come together and I'm doing bigger things, people

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: like that are coming back. And now i know not

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: to let those people in, and I'm very cautious of that,

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01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: and i never want to go back to where I was.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, if someone doesn't know you, you're talking

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01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: to a guy talking to a girl, you're twenty eight,

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01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, when I was twenty two, d

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01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: da da da da, how soon do you mention well

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01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: when I Ian was twenty two? This happened, Like how

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Speaker 1: comfortable when in the conversation in the getting to know

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: you period of relationships, meeting, greeting, getting to know people,

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: if someone knows nothing about you, do you mention well?

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Speaker 2: This happened to me.

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01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: So a lot of people will like I'll be at

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01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 3: the airport or anything, they'll recognize me from TikTok and

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 3: they know that my content's prison related. On the rare occurrence,

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Speaker 3: maybe like before I got on social media. I remember

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 3: being on tender when I got out of prison, exactly. Yeah,

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01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 3: so I was on tender because I had a new pad.

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Speaker 1: Out of your second date, you got your new body.

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,440
Speaker 1: Well see this ripped your shredded.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: But the only difference was this was I was on

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Speaker 3: house arrest. So I would say, hey, why don't you

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Speaker 3: come over. I get a bottle of wine, have dinner.

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Speaker 3: And I remember what happened, was I cook this girl dinner,

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Speaker 3: We had wine, we ended up hooking up, went to

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Speaker 3: the bedroom, hooked up, and she looks at my leg

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01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: and my leg has an ankle monitor on it, and

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Speaker 3: this girl had I figured that the girl knew me

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01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: because I would sometimes get matches where they're like, my

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01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: professor just presented about you in class as a fraud

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01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 3: case or whatever, and she was like, what is that?

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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 3: And I told her the whole story and she ends

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01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 3: up ghosting me after. But yeah, things like that would happen.

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Speaker 3: But now if you're on the plane you're on a

1781
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 3: long flight and you're chatting with a stranger. How quick

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01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 3: will you share that your story with just a random person.

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm so I'm introverted, and I'm working on it where

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 3: I won't go up and talk to someone I don't know,

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01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: and usually they initiate and they come talk to me.

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Speaker 4: But I have been getting better.

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01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 3: Like last week, I was talking the uber driver and

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: he was prying information in a nice way about like

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Speaker 3: why I was here and the speaking and the question comes, well,

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01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: why are you qualified to present at this? And that's

1791
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: when I said, you know, this is probably one of

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Speaker 3: the first times I was very open about I was like, listen,

1793
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 3: I made mistakes when I was a kid and I

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01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 3: went to prison.

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Speaker 4: Still kind of awkward.

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Speaker 3: I'm the type of person when I'm recording, like I

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01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 3: give you props you're able to stand in the crowded

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01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 3: street recording a selfie video and I love your videos.

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Speaker 4: I can't do that.

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Speaker 3: I'm working on it because I know I have to

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01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 3: in my career, but I'd rather be alone and like

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Speaker 3: that got you, Yeah, just like it's just like that.

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: It's awkward for me.

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: I get read and it's just but I'm working on

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: it because it's just like, oh, recording a TikTok about

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01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 3: like prison or I don't know, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, recording a TikTok about prison is different than you know,

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: most of the stuff that I talk about. But that's

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01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: just sort of my sort of getting comfortable with talking

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01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: my shit on the street. It's just out of necessity

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: because the reason why I do a lot of my

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: videos on the streets because my wife will not tolerate

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01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: me screaming and yelling into the phone at home, so

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01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: she'll be like, get the fuck out of here, Like,

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: if whatever you're gonna do, do it out sid. So

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's like there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: times I'll do the videos, you know, right outside of

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Speaker 1: my place because my wife says, don't do it in

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Speaker 1: here anyway. Ianbick ianbik dot Com, Ian Bick on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: Ian Bick on YouTube. I wish you nothing but the

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01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: best going forward. I wish you peace, I wish you,

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Speaker 1: you know, prosperity and uh, you know, safety going through

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01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,879
Speaker 1: and the best of luck with you. And I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming on the podcast, and I will definitely come

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Speaker 1: on your podcast whenever.

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Speaker 2: You have me awesome.

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Speaker 4: Mike, thank you so much, man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I am rap por Stereo podcast done