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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder, the minisode of

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Speaker 1: Squiggles and Stripes and Stripes.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching this right now on Netflix, we're sorry

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Speaker 2: if we're giving you a seizure.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to make it as exciting as possible for you.

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Speaker 2: Forgot that patterns don't work great on TV.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest. I had a sweater on and I

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Speaker 1: had to bail because I.

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Speaker 2: Am I have squiggles. I don't own a fucking solid

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Speaker 2: piece of clothing. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 1: You love a prince, I love prints, but at least

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Speaker 1: you're smart enough to wear short sleeves so you can

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Speaker 1: work with the bizarre temperatures your body serves us.

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Speaker 2: I'm in perimenopause and all I do is get hot,

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Speaker 2: and the hot I am not as hot.

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Speaker 1: I know, I refuse to learn. I have to fight.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go first. Okay, I'm not gonna do this title. Hello,

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Speaker 2: my murder besties. I'm listening to a fan cult mini

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Speaker 2: and had to pause to write in a memory that

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Speaker 2: was just triggered. Picture it. Me a junior in a

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Speaker 2: Texas high school in the early two thousands. My brother

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Speaker 2: a sophomore in the same high school. Lockdown drills and

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Speaker 2: all the things my kids now experience were in their infancy,

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Speaker 2: we had a lockdown procedure, but it was rarely practiced

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't taken as seriously as it is now.

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Speaker 2: Fucking awful. Suddenly we hear an announcement over the loudspeaker

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Speaker 2: saying we are going into lockdown, and it was not

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Speaker 2: a drill. Apparently there was an armed burglary in the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood across the street from our school, and the police

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Speaker 2: were chasing the guy towards our school. Don't run towards this.

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Speaker 1: School here, just head over towards the school. Yeah, take

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Speaker 2: Room, right, And then they were chasing him in our

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Speaker 2: school because in the two thousands, schools didn't have multiple

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Speaker 2: locked doors you had to get through to make it

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Speaker 1: We live in the worst reality for children and with

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Speaker 1: guns and this idea that we're all so used to

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Speaker 1: it when it was just twenty years ago that none

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Speaker 1: of this was how it was.

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Speaker 2: Imagine this. If you don't care that there are guns

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Speaker 2: and killing children, then you can't be pro life either.

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Speaker 2: It's not it doesn't fucking match. No, you can't pick

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Speaker 2: and choose which children you want to live or die.

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Speaker 2: Go fuck yourself anyway.

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Speaker 1: It says all of that in that email.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess you had to read it allegedly

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Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. My class was on the bottom floor.

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Speaker 2: We could hear the police radios yelling and running as

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Speaker 2: it fades away down the hall. A few minutes later,

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Speaker 2: of course, our teenage brains tell us to look out

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Speaker 2: the guy looks shaken, possibly injured from his escape attempt,

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Speaker 2: Fast forward till later that day, my friend's siblings and

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Speaker 2: I were recounting what we knew about the lockdown. My

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Speaker 2: turns out my brother heard a knock on the art door,

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Speaker 2: it's right SSDGM Angela g she her this world, reality

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Speaker 1: We just wake up and be like, oh no, it's

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Speaker 1: just like idiocrasy. Okay, I won't reach you. Subject line

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Speaker 1: it says, hi, ladies, love your show. It's got me

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Speaker 1: through many many workouts. I tell that's such a funny thing.

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Speaker 1: I tell my husband. Oddly enough, listening to a podcast

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Speaker 1: in parentheses. He doesn't get it. It's different for them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: on with my trash parents story. But really, the Catholic

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Speaker 1: guilt over calling my parents' trash parents is a doozy.

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Speaker 1: They really are great people. But we will see what

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Speaker 1: you think after the story of it. I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a small town in Missouri. My dad was a fireman,

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Speaker 1: one evening, I was probably about eight, my brother would

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Speaker 1: the age of landlines, when you could call your own

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I fucking forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: There was all kinds of games and tricks that we

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Speaker 2: We were bored, because we didn't have distractions like you

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Speaker 1: My favorite in the world is my friend Dave Roth

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Speaker 1: used to do this at his house when we'd like

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Speaker 1: you'd be like on the landline calling people. He would

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Speaker 1: And it was the funniest thing, Like he did it perfectly,

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Speaker 1: are locked, and then click they hung up.

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Speaker 1: In my eight year old full body panic, I ran

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Speaker 1: then it says, I thought I was going to die.

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Speaker 1: Oh my My mom, on the other hand, thought this

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Speaker 2: Oh, she was bored too, she was she was bored.

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Speaker 1: And this is something my cousin Stevie does, and he

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Speaker 1: and it was her poor idea of a joke. Trash parent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that isn't it, it's got to be close, right.

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Speaker 1: If this story doesn't do it, then maybe the time

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Speaker 1: my mom and dad had me shave yes shave a

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Speaker 1: shaving cream covered balloon. When it popped and the shaving

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get you get to go to therapy.

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Speaker 1: These are prank parents. It's not tar It's a different.

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Speaker 2: Style prank parents. Send us yeah your stories.

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Speaker 1: Truly, though, my parents are great people.

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Speaker 2: I don't know me.

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Speaker 1: They brought themselves up from backgrounds of incredible trauma and

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Speaker 2: Did they did? They? Though?

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Speaker 1: Shout out to all parents out there working to break

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Speaker 1: have kudos, which is very true. And also it's good

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Speaker 2: Toes totally and like they're not like capital T dramatized.

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Speaker 1: The fact that she jumped out and grabbed her was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's an offense number fifty five.

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Speaker 1: That's why I literally bought a sweatshirt on TikTok shop

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Speaker 1: that says I hope both teams lose, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: Right, he's going to get real man. Okay, we're back

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Speaker 1: in for some compliments. Thank you for all you do,

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Speaker 1: especially in the reassuring me that being rude is not

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Speaker 1: because I'm the worst, but because I simply am trying

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Speaker 1: Well, what a great way to explain it. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: all you do. Trash parents, you tell me ha ha

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Speaker 2: You're being validated.

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Speaker 1: And also you sound great now except for maybe the

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Speaker 1: balloon thing which has run birthday parties for you. That's right,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: I hope both teams can't lose. I hope both teams lose.

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Speaker 2: That's not how it works, but it's so funny. It's

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Speaker 1: Black sweatshirt, white writing right there.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny. Yeah, okay, this one's called Jars and

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Speaker 2: Jery Diddy. Hi, Hi, MFM crew. I haven't been listening

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Speaker 2: jurors of famous cases, and she said it was fascinating

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Speaker 1: It's just like you are sending a human being to

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Speaker 1: Yay, stay sexy and always carry the key, Kate.

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Speaker 2: I've broken into a house maybe a couple of years

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Speaker 1: Listen, if you just put your heart to it and

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Speaker 1: Wait what year was it? I hope this was nineteen

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Speaker 2: Later I learned there was no foul play. It was

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Speaker 2: and forensic investigation. It turns out I've been a murderino

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Speaker 2: since childhood. And somehow the parents who signed off on

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Speaker 2: this whole experience are now also devoted fans of your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh so, thanks for letting me share the origin story

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Speaker 2: of my lifelong obsession. Stay sexy and read the permission

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Speaker 2: slip carefully, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Danielle, I always get shocked when I hear about older

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Speaker 1: people liking this pod. I don't know why. It's silly

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Speaker 1: of me, but it always is that thing of like.

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Speaker 1: But we swear. Are you sure it's so?

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Speaker 2: You're not mad at us?

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Speaker 1: I'm mad, Okay, okay, my mom's mad. I know, okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read you the subject line of

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Speaker 1: this it says, dear Stephen and everyone else, Hey, longtime listener,

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Speaker 1: first time writer in her so. A couple years ago,

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Speaker 1: I was living in the crappiest apartment in this really

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Speaker 1: nice suburban Melbourne with two housemates. Always feel stupid when

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Speaker 1: I saw Melbourne, but you have to, that's the way

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Speaker 1: it says correct Melbourne with two housemates, Fiona and Steph.

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Speaker 1: We were stoked to be living in such a lovely,

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Speaker 1: leafy green place, even though our ground floor apartment was

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Speaker 1: tiny and all the light was blocked by these giant,

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Speaker 1: twisted shrubs that covered our windows so we could barely

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Speaker 1: see out. So throughout the year we lived there, there

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Speaker 1: were a few times when I would be hanging out

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Speaker 1: in the lounge room that I could have sworn that

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Speaker 1: I heard heavy breathing from just outside the window. It

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Speaker 1: was so loud and over exaggerated that I would always

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Speaker 1: sit completely still, paralyzed with fear until it stopped, and

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Speaker 1: I told myself that I was just imagining it. One time,

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Speaker 1: it happened really late at night, and I forced Steph

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Speaker 1: out of her room to hear it. She did, and

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Speaker 1: we were really freaked out because it was so loud

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Speaker 1: and clear that it legit sounded like someone was in

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Speaker 1: the house with us. Fiona looked at us like we

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Speaker 1: were either crazy or overreacting, as there was no way

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Speaker 1: anyone could be inside without us knowing until oh God.

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Speaker 1: One night, Fee was working on her master's thesis until

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Speaker 1: about one in the morning at our kitchen table, also

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Speaker 1: by one of these windows. She was tired, delirious, and

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Speaker 1: felt like her thesis was driving her crazy, so when

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Speaker 1: she heard a low, hoarse, creepy voice outside the window

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Speaker 1: saying run over and over, she wasn't sure if she

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Speaker 1: had finally lost her mind or not. That is the

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Speaker 1: worst time. Sorry, I just did it that way, but

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Speaker 1: that's how it's written. Run. Needless to say, she was

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Speaker 1: terrified and quickly packed up her laptop and bolted to

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Speaker 1: her room. She told me the next morning in a

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Speaker 1: nervous joking way, and once I reminded her about the

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Speaker 1: heavy breathing. All three of us freaked out. Certainly had

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Speaker 1: a stalker.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not a go to bed issue. That's turned

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Speaker 2: out light on and wake everyone up this idea.

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Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I don't want that to have just happened.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, you know what, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna run. I'm gonna lay down

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Speaker 2: to the fucking opposite of it. You just told me to

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Speaker 2: fucking be terrifying flitch call.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and call the Australian nine to one one,

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Speaker 1: please nine nine nine, it's got to do d Okay.

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Speaker 1: We were certain we had a stalker, but what to do.

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Speaker 1: We had no evidence. We weren't one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 1: what we had heard of what we had heard, so

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Speaker 1: we couldn't go to the police. We asked our property

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Speaker 1: manager to trim the hedges and install a security light.

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Speaker 1: They did the hedges, but unhelpfully told us they would

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Speaker 1: discuss the light when the body corporate met again in

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Speaker 1: four months. Like hoa, they had no idea what the

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Speaker 1: protocol is for maybe being stalked. Of course not because

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Speaker 1: people won't pay attention to this.

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Speaker 2: As a problem until you're dead.

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Speaker 1: Okay. After a little while of being terrified in our

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Speaker 1: own home, I decided to lay a trap to get

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Speaker 1: some evidence. That's great. On the same night of the week,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I sat in the exact same spot,

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Speaker 1: working on my laptop with no one else home, with

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Speaker 1: the voice memo app open on my phone, ready to

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Speaker 1: record the creepy voice as soon as it appeared. I

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Speaker 1: sat there for hours, daring a stalker to come and

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Speaker 1: get me. But when I hadn't heard anything by two am,

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Speaker 1: I went to bed weirdly, disappointed that my complex sting

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Speaker 1: operation hadn't worked, instead of feeling relieved like a normal

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Speaker 1: person would. Then I heard it outside my bedroom window,

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Speaker 1: accompanied by erratic scuttling sounds as well. At first I

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Speaker 1: was terrified, but I listened really closely and thought maybe

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Speaker 1: this sound wasn't human after all. I jumped on Google

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Speaker 1: and eventually found a clip confirming that what we were

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Speaker 1: actually hearing was a possum.

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Speaker 2: A run a run for your life possum.

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Speaker 1: That's right, A tiny, vicious territorial marsupial had caused us

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Speaker 1: weeks of fear and terror. Fiona was both relieved and

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Speaker 1: horribly embarrassed when I told her. But of course you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect to get possums in such an urban area.

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Speaker 1: It's only because there were so many big trees decided

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Speaker 1: to terrorize us. Anyway. Now it's one of our favorite

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Speaker 1: dinner party stories. We love to tell everyone about that

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Speaker 1: one time we thought we had a stall. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear it SSDGM Jane.

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Speaker 2: What's what does Australian possums sound like? That sounds like

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Speaker 2: a joke, So it's some sort of how does it say? Run?

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Speaker 1: Run? It's always up at the end, run a run?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's terrifying.

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Speaker 1: I know, terrifying, but then ultimately but then adorable. Just

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Speaker 1: a little baby possum.

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Speaker 2: And then did you make friends with him?

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Speaker 1: Send a covered in ticks?

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Speaker 2: Send us your story about being covered in ticks to

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Speaker 2: my favorite murder at Gmail. Please do not.

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Speaker 1: Every time I find a tick on one of my dogs,

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Speaker 1: it's the most upsetting. It's so upset.

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Speaker 2: They're terrible. They're gross, but you're not, and we love

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Speaker 2: you and thank you for listening. And also stay sexy

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Speaker 2: and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalocci.

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