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Speaker 1: Fish Unfiltered Live Episode eighty six, the breaking news episode

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Speaker 1: of Fish and Filtered here with I'm Ken Brall with

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Speaker 1: my friend and coast Isaaca Zoit, and we have Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 1: founder Fish on first, and we have the man that

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Speaker 1: broke at all, Craigmish Craig, how are we doing? I

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Speaker 1: don't think any of us expected to do this live,

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Speaker 1: but it happens to be like that, and we have

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about now all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: with these Marlins. Yeah, so Marlins trade Weathers to the

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Speaker 1: Yankees and exchange the Marlins get four prospects. Dylan Lewis

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Speaker 1: an outfield prospect, Brendan Jones another outfield prospect, Dylan Jaso

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Speaker 1: I think say it an infield prospect, and then Juan

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Speaker 1: Mattias As I believe how you say it's the youngest

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Speaker 1: prospect in the trade. Uh In another infield prospect. So

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Speaker 1: sorry about that, guys, Oh you sound perfect now, correct.

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Speaker 2: So we got another trade here.

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Speaker 1: It looks like right, yeah, hit us with it?

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Speaker 2: What what?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? How did this come to be?

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Speaker 1: Obviously Marlins have been in discussions with the Yankees for Cabrera,

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Speaker 1: and it's Weathers who goes the other way this time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is you know, one of those things where look,

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Speaker 2: there's a number of different directions we could go, but

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Speaker 2: as far as the return is concerned, I think it's

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Speaker 2: a good lesson to be learned for a lot of

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Speaker 2: people who follow baseball is that sometimes when you're talking

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Speaker 2: to a team about a trade and you sort of

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Speaker 2: covet players in a trade. Even if it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: out the first time with one player, there's always room

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Speaker 2: to go back and try another, and I think that

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Speaker 2: that is definitely part of this. Without a doubt, seems

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Speaker 2: pretty easy to connect the dots. There are a couple

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Speaker 2: of players that were in this trade that could have

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Speaker 2: potentially been in the Edward Cabrera trade. So now the

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Speaker 2: Marlins get those players in this deal. And as far

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Speaker 2: as the Marlins are concerned, I think it really just

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Speaker 2: again speaks to the depth that they believe that they

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Speaker 2: have at starting pitching, and especially with the two young

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Speaker 2: pitchers that they have that I've said many times before.

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Speaker 2: People are laughing at me, that could win a job

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Speaker 2: out of spring training, Like I do, not think there's

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Speaker 2: anything holding back Thomas White or Robbie Snelling. I said

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Speaker 2: at last week, Oh, there's no way that they could.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you from what I understand, there's a chance

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Speaker 2: I think you look at it the trade that brought

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Speaker 2: Weathers to Miami in the first place. They did a

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Speaker 2: really nice job developing him and getting him to the

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Speaker 2: point where he could be coveted by a team like

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Speaker 2: the Yankees, who thus far haven't really done all that much.

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Speaker 2: And so, as you mentioned Kevin, four players back in return,

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Speaker 2: and I think you know clearly what they've done here

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Speaker 2: is stockpile more bats into the system. Second straight trade

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Speaker 2: that that has happened. And as far as the Marlins

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Speaker 2: at what they've done thus far. Maybe a few more

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Speaker 2: minor moves to be made at this point, but this

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Speaker 2: sort of to me puts a bow on their attempts

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Speaker 1: I think the fair question would be why not with Weathers? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, value would think is that it's lowest given

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Speaker 1: Marlins for one point three million. Just why now did

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, again, there is risk involved. There's always risk

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Speaker 2: another day. Weathers himself has not been a model of

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Speaker 2: everyone else. Sometimes it's just not all about throwing one

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Speaker 2: So I don't think they're necessarily soured on whethers they

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Speaker 2: could have kept them. But you know, without without knowing

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Speaker 2: what I think. I think they went down the road

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Speaker 2: even though they didn't get them in the Cabrera trade.

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Speaker 2: That's my interpretation of this deal. That's the way that

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Speaker 2: I see it, because fortunately I'm privy to a little

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Speaker 2: I don't know how close the deal came with Cabrera,

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Speaker 2: but I know in the discussions absolutely two of these

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Speaker 3: In the Well, yeah, that perfectly teased up for my

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Speaker 3: next question, because Dylan Lewis appears to be the headliner

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Speaker 3: the centerpiece in a potential Cabrera deal as well? Or

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Speaker 3: were they were sort of a secondary piece in that trip.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to engage which one I.

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Speaker 2: Think he I think he would have been a co

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Speaker 2: Uh No, there was a There was a picture that

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Speaker 2: And again I don't look when when when a deal

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Speaker 2: so something a lot of different things can happen. When

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Speaker 2: but I think Lewis was a co headliner with another pitcher.

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Speaker 2: But the player that I can tell you that was discussed,

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Speaker 2: this deal to see, because I personally believe that if

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Speaker 2: can clearly see that if they attempted to get a

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Speaker 2: Ryan Weathers. I think we got to circle that kid.

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Speaker 2: I mean to me, that's look and I don't know

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Speaker 5: I just want to step into differentiate this between the

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Speaker 5: It seems like kind of a long shot that they

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Speaker 5: a little bit of a long game that they're playing

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Speaker 2: It is you know, to dive a little bit more

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Speaker 2: can all recall the trade that Jesus Lozardo was traded

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Speaker 2: I think maybe at the time that the trade was made,

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Speaker 2: get this player Starling Kaba back in return. It's not

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Speaker 2: He lies so similar to Lozardo, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: what happened here? Why didn't he get traded were there?

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Speaker 2: And that starts to percolate a little bit. You kind

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Speaker 2: we may want to get that done. That's not the

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it was the Marlins first intention. I

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Speaker 2: think it actually worked out better for them in this way.

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Speaker 2: They got the players they wanted from the Yankees, and

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Speaker 2: But a fun kind of opening up the door to

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Speaker 2: make people understand how things work a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely all would. With Lewis, he hit two

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Speaker 1: no triple experience in this trade, but overall good return,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't heard anything on Andrew Norty at all.

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Speaker 1: And the Moms have made the Weather's trade official, so

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Speaker 3: What were the if you can say, what was the

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Speaker 3: difference in packages perhaps from the Cubs in the summer

434
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Speaker 3: versus now here in January.

435
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Speaker 2: Yeah, back back in July, it was Sandy that was

436
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Speaker 2: more serious than Cabrera at that time. It was it

437
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Speaker 2: was Sandy that was pretty sick. Like I thought there

438
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Speaker 2: was a chance Sandy was going to get traded back then,

439
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: because yeah, he had a lot of interest as well,

440
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Speaker 2: and I thought that there could have been an opportunity

441
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Speaker 2: for them to move him there. They did not, So

442
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Speaker 2: I'm really, if I'm being transparent, not completely privy to

443
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Speaker 2: all of those potential deals back then. I can't even

444
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Speaker 2: really think of what they were. But if you asked

445
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Speaker 2: me right before the trade deadline. Who was more of

446
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Speaker 2: a possibility to go. It would have been Sandy over

447
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: Cabrera at that time, and Cabrera was hurt. If I'm

448
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Speaker 2: not mistaken, the deadline wasn't it.

449
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Speaker 1: He had gotten hurt and they didn't like start him.

450
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Speaker 1: He missed the start, but yeah, he made one final

451
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Speaker 1: start right preferre the deadline, I think it was the

452
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis one.

453
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Speaker 2: They made a great call there by the way, not

454
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Speaker 2: trading Sandy at that time too, because yes, he did

455
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Speaker 2: pitch great in the second half, and I expect him

456
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Speaker 2: to be really motivated and to have a really great season.

457
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Speaker 2: We'll just have to see how the season transpires. And

458
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously the same trade rumors will come up

459
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Speaker 2: again in July, right, I would agree.

460
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Speaker 3: And in Sandy's case, you said there's a lot of

461
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Speaker 3: interest in July around the word around the horn is that,

462
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Speaker 3: you know, there's not a ton of interests Before the

463
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Speaker 3: Comber trade when they had everyone still, there wasn't a

464
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Speaker 3: ton of interest in Sandy.

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Speaker 4: Was that more so?

466
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Speaker 3: They're just concern on him just having only two years

467
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Speaker 3: of control. Is uneven season last year or is it that? Hey,

468
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Speaker 3: you know the Marlins higher ups don't want to trade

469
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Speaker 3: this young man.

470
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Speaker 2: There wasn't a ton of interest in Sandy at the

471
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Speaker 2: trade deadline this offseason. I mean, oh the off season.

472
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Speaker 2: I just don't think they had any interest in trading

473
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Speaker 2: him at all at this point. I think they saw

474
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Speaker 2: That's not true. I think that they saw how well

475
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Speaker 2: he pitched in the second half of the season, and

476
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Speaker 2: if he can do that again in the first half

477
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Speaker 2: of the season, and they decide to trade him at

478
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Speaker 2: the trade deadline, I don't know that that's going to happen.

479
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Speaker 2: You'd be talking about the number one trade asset in

480
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Speaker 2: all of Major League Baseball as a pitcher at that point.

481
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Speaker 2: So I just don't think that that would happen now.

482
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Speaker 2: As far as trade interest, my understanding is from the

483
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Speaker 2: teams that I've talked to when they called, they're not

484
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Speaker 2: really interested in trading Sandy. They talk names and stuff

485
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: like that to call back in July and stuff like that,

486
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Speaker 2: but no, they don't have interest in trading for now.

487
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Speaker 1: And he's got the club option too, which is one

488
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Speaker 1: of the best deals in baseball right, I mean, especially

489
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Speaker 1: for the amount of innings you could potentially get him now.

490
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: A full year removed in the injury. So moving on

491
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Speaker 1: to the free agent front, Craig Marlins made a splash.

492
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Speaker 1: They got Pete Fairbanks. They got their guy one year,

493
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Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars to come in and be the highest

494
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Speaker 1: leverage reliever for the Marlins. Sucks a little that it

495
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Speaker 1: won't be with Ronnie and Riquez in that same bullpen,

496
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Speaker 1: but still, I mean Fairbanks, a guy who's coming off

497
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Speaker 1: of career high innings, pitch, career highd saves, stays in

498
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Speaker 1: Florida and comes to the Marlins. I don't think he

499
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Speaker 1: expected to be free agent. He said, he kind of

500
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Speaker 1: went into this with a with blank slate, really not

501
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Speaker 1: thinking of what this process would look like, and he

502
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Speaker 1: ends up being a Marlin. What are your thoughts on

503
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Speaker 1: it and the Marlins interest? It seemed like it was

504
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly that they were looking at this guy, especially

505
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Speaker 1: with Peter Bendix and Pete Fairbanks obviously crossing paths in Tampa.

506
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was a savvy move. I also

507
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: think a little bit of luck involved too, for let's

508
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: be honest, for this guy to hit the open market.

509
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Speaker 2: Because I remember one of my last broadcasts of the

510
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: season illustrating the different relief pitchers that the Marlins could

511
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Speaker 2: potentially go for. Fairbanks, of course, was not one of

512
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Speaker 2: those because I didn't know he'd be involved. But guys

513
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Speaker 2: like Devin Williams got a big deal, and then Pagan

514
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: got a big deal, and then Rogers got a bit.

515
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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, like, maybe they're not going to

516
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Speaker 2: get Hellsley, Maybe they're not going to get any of

517
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Speaker 2: these like truthfully, because quite frankly, I don't know that

518
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Speaker 2: I would have given any of those guys two year

519
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Speaker 2: deals too. But those were the first guys to go

520
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Speaker 2: off the board. That's the way that the market projected.

521
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Speaker 2: So I think the Marlins in that sense, were fortunate

522
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Speaker 2: that Fairbanks was still out there because I think that

523
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Speaker 2: he is just as good as all of those guys.

524
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that he had a two year offer,

525
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Speaker 2: so this was the best one year deal that he had,

526
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Speaker 2: and it was from Miami. He mentioned being having his

527
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Speaker 2: family close and and also being able to pitch leverage

528
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: innings here. I think he's going to do very well

529
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Speaker 2: for Miami. And again they'll be in a situation here

530
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Speaker 2: where one of two things can happen. One Pete Fairbaks

531
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Speaker 2: pitch is great, the Marlins are having a great season,

532
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Speaker 2: and he takes them all the way to the end

533
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Speaker 2: and maybe in the postseason. And then on the flip side,

534
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: because I think he's going to pitch good, he pitches well.

535
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: Maybe the Marlins are not having the success that they

536
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Speaker 2: had a year ago. We just don't know the answer

537
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Speaker 2: to that. And then all of a sudden, now they

538
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Speaker 2: have a very valuable trade chip that they could move

539
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Speaker 2: for something else, which is kind of what I'm sure

540
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Speaker 2: that they were thinking. That is what they wanted to

541
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Speaker 2: do last year with cal Quantrill did not work out

542
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: that way when they signed him. Quantrell of course didn't

543
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: have any value with the trade deadline last year. But

544
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Speaker 2: I think the odds of Fairbanks producing better than Quantrell

545
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Speaker 2: are pretty significant.

546
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would definitely agree that. I'm just out of curiosity,

547
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Speaker 4: not that it matters.

548
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Speaker 3: But do you think that the Ronnie Henriguez injury really

549
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: brought both sides together here or do you think they

550
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Speaker 3: would have been able to sign to sign Fairbanks with

551
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Speaker 3: Henriquez still there without that leverage.

552
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Speaker 2: I think they still would have would have done that,

553
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: And I think the reason why is, Look, you I

554
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: can't go into all the data and the advanced metrics

555
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: and fit and tell you exactly if the Marlins bullpen

556
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: was great or if it was lucky. All I can

557
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: tell you is that I watched baseball forever, and generally speaking,

558
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: bullpens that our great one year are not as good

559
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: the next year. That it's a very fickle piece in baseball. Now,

560
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: the Phillies had a lot of problems with it for

561
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 2: several years in a row, but it's generally, guys, the

562
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: first thing that we notice when things don't go well,

563
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: the team had a lead at all if we only

564
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: had a better bullpen. The bullpen last year, I don't

565
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 2: care what the numbers say, Especially when the Marlins were

566
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: winning those games. They could bring in anybody and win

567
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: those games. At the end of last year, I don't

568
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Speaker 2: think that is sustainable. So I think that there's still

569
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: a little bit more work to do there for them personally,

570
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Speaker 2: that would be my opinion. I still think they need

571
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Speaker 2: to add a little bit to make it a little

572
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Speaker 2: bit better, because you can't at over state how Ronnie

573
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: how good he was, I mean, Phillips out of nowhere.

574
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Speaker 2: Can he repeat what he did last year? Can Fauchet

575
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: repeat that? Can Hey, Gibson, repeat all that.

576
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

577
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: I mean generally no offense. I don't think so. I

578
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: think I think that they I think that's why the

579
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: Fairbanks piece makes a lot of sense. And maybe a

580
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: player to added, maybe some NRIs also to come in

581
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: and compete for a job. Because the last thing, guys,

582
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: that we want to do, it's go back to where

583
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: we were two years ago, which is if you remember

584
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: the Marlins started off the season, was it oh to

585
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: seven or something like that, or owen nine, and they

586
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: had leads, guys in those games, right against Pittsburgh, right,

587
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: they had leads, and we all were all if the

588
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: Marlins would have went out and they would have spent

589
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: some money on the bullpen. Well they did it this year.

590
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: They got themselves a bona fide high end, a slash

591
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: ninth in and guy, and maybe they can work their

592
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: magic again and find some of these diamonds in the

593
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: rough like they did last year. Certainly worked for them.

594
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 3: I'm curious your opinion, because it was reported heavily that

595
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: just the Marlins were not comfortable giving out multi year deals.

596
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: Is that just because of the uncertainty of the upcoming

597
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: CBA negotiations or do you think that just this regime,

598
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: the way the Rays and the ways Peter operates in

599
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: the future too, they're going to be very hesitant on

600
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: giving and guaranteeing players multiple years.

601
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The Rays have had one of the very best records,

602
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: I think, if not the very best record in baseball

603
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: over the last twenty years giving out no multi year deals.

604
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: And so I think maybe Charlie Morton got a two

605
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: year dealer. Zach Eflin always gets those confused ye flyin

606
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: So that's.

607
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: The lefty mats also got two years, Okay, and.

608
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Speaker 1: That's got a deal too, Right, multi years?

609
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: I think if you go back and look there, there

610
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: aren't very many, not a lot. Yeah, it's very very

611
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: few for twenty years, right, very few. I go back

612
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: to living in that area when they had Jose Canseeko

613
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: and Wade Box. Okay, So like I I am Fred McGriff,

614
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: I go way back in the race before Peter Bendix,

615
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: I go all the way back. So then they started

616
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: winning by getting smarter and not doing that. I can't

617
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: argue it, guys. Now, would I like to see potentially

618
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: some players maybe homegrown, extended and staying with the club

619
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: A long time. Yes, but free agency sucks. It does.

620
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: It's fun to complain about, and it's fun to say, all,

621
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: my team didn't do this, my team didn't do that.

622
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: Nobody goes back in the end and says, oh, my gosh,

623
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Speaker 2: every deal was horrible, like pretty much every long term

624
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: for each Oh, it was horrible. Maybe they get there again,

625
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: but for the time being, Isaac long Win did answer

626
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: operating the Rais way, this is the way they did it.

627
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Marlins are going to do the same thing.

628
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned extensions, and I think we could touch

629
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Speaker 1: on that real quick, because it's been reported that multiple

630
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: players were engaged or have been engaged by the Marlins

631
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and contract extensions. Kyl Stowers was the first, and Yearie,

632
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy, those are the three main guys. Where do

633
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: you think those Stan I would assume Stours is unlikely

634
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: to have and especially with the large gap in money.

635
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Speaker 1: And then then you have Uri, who seems like I

636
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: think you mentioned on Marlin's rada that it could very

637
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: well happen. And then Marcy seems like those conversations have

638
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: been very limited so far.

639
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really can't speak to the intricacies of all

640
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: of them. I know the Uri press situation probably better

641
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: than the others. And I think that, as I've talked about,

642
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: there's motivation on both sides to get that done. Whether

643
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: or not that happens still remains to be seen. If

644
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Speaker 2: it did, Kevin, I think that that would be a

645
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Speaker 2: February or a March thing, opening of spring training, sometime

646
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Speaker 2: in March, big Jupiter press conference, you know that kind

647
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Speaker 2: of thing. I don't see that happening for a month

648
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: or two. But look, there's a lot of other factors

649
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: in play, and impossible for me to say one way

650
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: or the other that that definitely or definitely does not

651
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: get done. But it did seem to me in the

652
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: conversations that I've had previously, there's definitely motivation to get

653
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: it done on both sides.

654
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: And then just look at the first base situation. Marlin

655
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: signed Christopher Morele. They think this guy could potentially bounce

656
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: back and play some first base. He's never played it

657
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: in his career so far. And then they traded Eric Wagerman,

658
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: who was the only true first baseman on the roster,

659
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: and they're expecting Griffin Connan to play some first base here.

660
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Roberta Hernand is to play some first base, Liam Higgs

661
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: to play some first base. What's the situation looking like there? Correct,

662
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: because it's a lot of inexperienced at first base, and

663
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Davison Delos Santras will be the

664
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: opening day first baseman for the Marlins, assuming what could

665
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: potentially happen in spring training. Do they address the position,

666
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: do they bring in an NRI? Where do they stand

667
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: at with first base?

668
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think an NRI is always possible.

669
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: Historically the Marlins have in the past brought in NRIs.

670
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: Some have worked, some have not. That's just kind of

671
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: the scenario there, Kevin. I say this with no information whatsoever,

672
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: but here is sort of my guests. If you bring

673
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: in anybody of substance at first base beyond what they

674
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: have you mentioned some of the names, I think probably

675
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Hicks would be the one in a platoon, maybe most

676
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: fit to play first base. Sort of sounds like that.

677
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: If they do something like that and they find out

678
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: in June, let's call it that Gus Ramirez cannot catch.

679
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: Let's say that that happens. I don't know that it will.

680
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna get a chance to catch again. He's been

681
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: working on it you see in the social media. If

682
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: that happens, what are they gonna do. You can't have

683
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: a player that young not have a position. It doesn't

684
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: make sense. So I think you got to leave that

685
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: light on it first base, just in case that happens.

686
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: I personally think Joe Mack is the answer at catcher.

687
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's wortening day or if it's

688
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: May or when it is, and then you don't and

689
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: you would want Ramirez still to be able to catch.

690
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: And again I do think they're going to give him

691
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: the full opportunity to do it. But none of your

692
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: eyes lie. My eyes don't lie. It was rough behind

693
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: home plate. If he gets better at it, maybe it's

694
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: a conversation that we don't have to have. But I

695
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: think by bringing in somebody you maybe potentially block that idea.

696
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: And then you have to ask yourself, then what kid

697
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: twenty five years old? However he is playing DH for

698
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: his career. Yeah, so, and again that does you know all?

699
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: You're always looking at value of a player too. This

700
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: is the way the Marlands operate. Guy could be pitching

701
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: great or playing great, just like the Rays boom, you

702
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: trade him. Why did you do that you operate on value.

703
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: What would Ramirez his value be as a DH only

704
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: that young you almost never see it, so he has

705
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: to play some position.

706
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: And I agree with you, it's that the ironic part

707
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: of this is that his value literally goes down when

708
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: he is catching.

709
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: You know, his war does. Yes, it's like it's crazy

710
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: to have a zero war to be as good as

711
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: a hitter as that last year.

712
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: Yes, And I would love to ask the Marlins this,

713
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: but you're the next best thing with Ramirez, obvious, you

714
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: don't want to hurt his confidence behind the dish. I

715
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: do think there is a world, unlikely world that he

716
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: could figure it out behind the plate. But I think

717
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: we agree they're going to give it to at least

718
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: half the middle of the season. Why not have him

719
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: take a little bit of reps at first base before

720
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: then and during this offseason.

721
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: Maybe he will, Isaac, Maybe he will. We don't know. Look,

722
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: spring training gets whacky. We have no idea what that's

723
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: And by the way, you could you could show up

724
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: to Jupiter. Let's say it's a one o'clock game, Isaac,

725
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: you're sleeping in, But like for most people, you show

726
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: up to Jupiter like nine ten o'clock right, and you

727
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: get there and then you're on a backfield somewhere and

728
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: he's playing first This is what this is how spring

729
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 2: training and all of a sudden somebody takes a picture whatever,

730
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: and then now, all of a sudden, yeah, Gus Ramira

731
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: is playing first base in spring training and then two

732
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: days later the guy is playing first base in a game.

733
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: So is this kind of how Jazz went down to Like,

734
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: so you just you never know, You never know with

735
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: this stuff. Give it, give it time, give the kid

736
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: a little more time to see if he can catch,

737
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: and and we'll find out. But I don't think he's

738
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: got a full year, full one sixty two to catch unfortunately,

739
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: like he did last year. It's got to get better.

740
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: I think he knows that with Jazz, I think Kim

741
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: said it in a press conn the day of the

742
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Arias trade and then yeah.

743
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I'm thinking through it now. And then

744
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: Jazz texted being I'm like, are you sure you want

745
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: to say this?

746
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 4: Remember what that he was gonna win a goal glove

747
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: and center.

748
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well one of my favorite, some of

749
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: my favorite quotes game from that guy.

750
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: Someone needs to be moderating his Twitter a little bit better.

751
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: By anyway, only a couple more, if anything, just one

752
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: more people that are looking at this Ryan Weathers trade.

753
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: The casual fan, they see three players or four players

754
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: that are returning that are not going to contribute to

755
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: the Marlins this year, probably maybe not even next year.

756
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 3: What do you say, or if the mark, what would

757
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: the Marlins say to those fans that say, oh, I

758
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: guess they're really not putting all fee forward in this

759
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: season coming off a seventeen win improvement the previous.

760
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: Year by by the trade specif by this trades.

761
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 4: I think that's a message.

762
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: You see two guys from you're starting rotation kicked out

763
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: for essentially only prospects.

764
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think I if okay, So now look, I

765
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know if Peter's doing a press conference

766
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: after this one. The Cobert was, is this that significant

767
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: of a trade to have to do? You think? So

768
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: we'll have to talk to John Eric and see if

769
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: I'm not sure watching I don't know, I don't know that.

770
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: I look, they have to decide that. I don't know

771
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: that I would be in front on this one. I

772
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: don't know that it's necessary, but maybe they will. I

773
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: don't know. Peter doesn't If if I was knowing Peter,

774
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: how about this? Not if I was Peter, I don't

775
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: want to say that. Knowing Peter, the way that I

776
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: think that he'll operate here is he would tell you

777
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: that they really really like the players that are in

778
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: the system, and they felt maybe potentially they had a

779
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: couple of pictures blocking some pictures that they want to

780
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: see immediately. Maybe without saying, you Thomas White and you

781
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: Robbie Snelling have a chance to be on the team

782
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: opening day, without saying that in front of in front

783
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: of a camera like this, But that's what I am saying.

784
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: I think those two guys have a chance. So I

785
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 2: think that that is what I would say, because I wouldn't.

786
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: I would say that they they made a good trade

787
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: by getting Weathers. They they trade. They made a horrendous

788
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: trade moving Garrett Cooper, who was the best Marlin of

789
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: all time. We understand that, but sometimes tough decisions have

790
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: to be made.

791
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: And Sean Reynolds, that's that's Eli's guy.

792
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: He was playing. Where is he playing now? Sean real

793
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: j okay, he played in Japan, My guys, Coop. Everybody

794
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: knows that Okay, that was the the what are the

795
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: harder ones if they ever do Sandy, We're not doing

796
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: a show, but they but look on pay. They look

797
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: at that trade that they made to get Ryan Weathers.

798
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: They turned it in to four up and coming prospects.

799
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: One low level prospect that they really must like a lot,

800
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: because he's been involved in two different trade discussions that

801
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: they've had. Their trades have gone well recently in a

802
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: year or two. The players they've gotten back they traded

803
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: for this, Augustin Ramirez for Jazz, chisholm Isaac. This are

804
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: the same questions that were being asked last year or

805
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: the year before. You kind of have to trust and say,

806
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: ariahs Jazz. Most of the deals not all. We know

807
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: that not all deals work. We could look at those, No,

808
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: still wonder if what they got back. We don't know.

809
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: We're not sure. Guys. If you're hitting at the percentage

810
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: thus far, it would appear that Peter is hitting on

811
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: these trades. That's a winning organization thus far. So that's

812
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: what I am. What I would tell fans is that

813
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: that you've seen signs of progress and the trades that

814
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: they made overwhelmingly have been positive. Give this one a

815
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: chance to see if the same thing happens.

816
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a world where Thomas White and

817
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: Robbie Snelling are both in Miami on Opening Day set

818
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: to face Troy Johnston in the lineup or Troy oh Man.

819
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Troy, that was a tough one too, Kevin, I don't.

820
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: I don't, Kevin, I I will how about this now?

821
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: On my Sports grid show, I picked the Jaguars to

822
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: go to the Super Bowl, so I was really hurt.

823
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: I would I got ripped all year long until it

824
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: became does he really know something here? I am gonna

825
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: make the bold prediction here as we stand or sit

826
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 2: I'm sitting. Was it the thirteenth of January?

827
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

828
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am gonna say that one of those two guys,

829
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: Kevin Snelling or White, makes the opening day rotation. And

830
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: I'm also going to say that the other guy is

831
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: pitching in the big leagues in the first three months

832
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: of the season, first ninety days, both guys on the

833
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: Marlins as starting pitchers. So I don't know if that

834
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: I can't say both. That seems like a lot, but

835
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: I'll say I'll say one makes the team, and it

836
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: may be Thomas White. And it may be Thomas White.

837
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: Wow, there's no service time concern with this franchise.

838
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: They get they get a pick if he wins Rookie

839
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: of the Year.

840
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: If he wins Rookie of the Year.

841
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: But he's a rookie pitcher in a very tough division

842
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 3: with no very limited experience. It's gonna be first serious.

843
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: Shall help him?

844
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: Let me just let me just texted me I'm crazy.

845
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 1: By the way, So.

846
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Who did not so not somebody the Marlins? Thank goodness,

847
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: thank you. When I get that, I know I'm in trouble.

848
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 2: Anything else do we leave anything else on the table?

849
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: You guys want to hit while I'm here?

850
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: We can. We can talk about the fandul thing real

851
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: quick if you want to.

852
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't love it. I mean, it's not my

853
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: favorite topic.

854
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but but but.

855
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: I think people probably are curious as to.

856
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: As to what people want to know where you're going

857
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: to be on TV aside from sports grad.

858
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm joining you guys for the season.

859
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: That's what.

860
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: So so. So it's very complicated and it's still uncertain.

861
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: I think the last thing that I and everybody else

862
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: that's working on the broadcast and the Marlins organization. The

863
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: last thing that we thought would be that there would

864
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: be a chance that the network that Fandel Sports that

865
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: were going to go away before the season. I think

866
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: that there was a possibility maybe that after this season

867
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: that's something like that could happen. The good news is

868
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: that the Marlins are really prepared for it, and in

869
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: a way that I honestly didn't think. I didn't think

870
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 2: that like in these conversations that I would have Log's

871
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna Oh, they already got they know, they have the

872
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: Plan A, the Plan B, the Plan C. It's already

873
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: set because there was talks like this a year ago

874
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: that something could happen. So Kevin, there's a lot of

875
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: different options. But the one thing that I want to

876
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: make sure and make clear, because there's been a lot

877
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: written and said, you know, and the Cardinals today decided

878
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: that they're gonna take their ball and do it their

879
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: own way. I think the Braves will probably do it

880
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: the same way too, is that all the Marlins games

881
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: are gonna be broadcast, and they're gonna be on Comcast,

882
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna be on direct TV in the same exact

883
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: way that you used to watch Marlins games. So that's

884
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: not going to change at all, regardless of where they

885
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: air it. Also, unfortunately for some of you who have

886
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: YouTube TV. Maybe you have YouTube TV and you're watching

887
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: our stream, you are still not going to get the

888
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: Marlins games. You're still going to have to buy the

889
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: DTC the director consumer, which may end up being this

890
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: year more ORLNS TV or something else. I don't know

891
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: what that will be. So the quality the broadcast will

892
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: remain no matter who is producing it exactly the same.

893
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it ends up being better, maybe it ends up

894
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: being the same. The options are pretty simple at this point.

895
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: There is somewhat of a possibility, Kevin, albeit small, maybe

896
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: that FanDuel and Main Street they jump back in and

897
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: take over the broadcast again. Maybe that happens. I don't

898
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: know the answer to that. I have not heard that.

899
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: My personal contract and conversations with them stopped, so I

900
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe that picks up, maybe it doesn't, if

901
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: they come to an agreement, I don't know. So that's option.

902
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: That's one of the options. I don't even know if

903
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: it's the main option, but that could happen. It seems

904
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: to me the most likely option is they end up

905
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: going to major League Baseball productions. I think that there's

906
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: a chance of that happening, and for that you would

907
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: get a very similar broadcast. There would be I would

908
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: guess some changes though. In that case, there could be

909
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: changes to talent, there could be significant changes to you know, pregames, postgames,

910
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: things like that that could hurt me. I don't know.

911
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: We're going to have to see. And then there are

912
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: some reports out there. I think Sports Business Journal reported

913
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: that Fubo maybe could potentially purchase it. So I'm reading

914
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: and finding out everything just as much as you are.

915
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: But in the end, I certainly hope that I'm able

916
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: to be part of the broadcast again in some way.

917
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: And that's kind of where it stands right now. Man.

918
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately a really really tough situation, I think for

919
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: all of us, not just me, but everybody on the broadcast,

920
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: from the top to the bottom, because we're all just

921
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: kind of sitting at limbo wondering where we're going to

922
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: end up. So my confidence level is high that this

923
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: will get worked out and you guys will be seeing

924
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: me during the season, but it is a little tenuous

925
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: right now.

926
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Hey, that was the first thing we thought about. We're

927
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: like no crag on the pregame show anymore.

928
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: So I may be on some I may be on

929
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: some other things. We'll see think too.

930
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I like to hear that. There we go. One final

931
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: thing from me. We won't have about the players on

932
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: the Marlins and the WBC. I just want to get

933
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the WBC because a certain someone here

934
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: that wears a black hat and the black shirt does

935
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: not like the WBC. So I want to get your

936
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on the WBC.

937
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? I don't like bigger than the

938
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year?

939
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 4: Come on, I don't dislike that.

940
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: I agree.

941
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: I agree concerns over the health of young starting pitchers

942
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: that Marlins control.

943
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: You say, Sandy, but look at Lozardo, who pitched the

944
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: career high in nings.

945
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: This thing is going to be the biggest, bigger than

946
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament, I think this year. Multiple and and

947
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: by the way, with with the with the ticket situation,

948
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: because I get hit up with this all the time.

949
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 2: Let me let me give you guys some piece of advice. Okay,

950
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: the Marlins were pretty good last year. There's a pretty

951
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 2: good chance that they're as good, if not better. That

952
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: is your path to getting World Baseball Classic tickets, not

953
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: through me, by Marlin's tickets for the season. They're a

954
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: good team, maybe they're better, and then you also get

955
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: a chance to get World Baseball Classic tickets too. Like

956
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: it just seems like a win win more. Who doesn't

957
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: love more baseball. This is not me doing a commercial.

958
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: It is a fact. That is your path. People are like,

959
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: how do I get World Baseball? You go on StubHub.

960
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: They're five hundred one thousand. Look at the National Championship

961
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: coming up on Monday night. You're not gonna be able

962
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: to get tickets for that. You're not gonna be able

963
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: to get tickets for the good games of the World

964
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: Baseball Classic either. It is going to be huge. But

965
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: if you get Marlins tickets, you can get them too.

966
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: And it's not like, oh, some token ticket to the Marlins,

967
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 2: Like it's not like they're coming off one hundred losses either.

968
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: So that is what I would advise. At least what

969
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: I would advise is, if you're thinking about the World

970
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Baseball Classic, now find out what is required. I don't

971
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: know exactly what to buy into the Marlin season, and

972
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 2: then find out what your path is to getting these

973
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: tickets because you're not going to You're going to some

974
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: people are gonna be upset not going to the National

975
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Championship guys on Monday night for the Hurricanes, some people

976
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: will You're going to be a lot more upset not

977
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: going to the World But I telling you now, you're

978
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: going to be a lot more upset watching these games

979
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: on TV and knowing that you could have went and

980
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: not really had to pay a lot of money to go.

981
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: When the day off you're trying to buy a ticket

982
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: for five hundred or one thousand dollars to go in.

983
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: That stage, you know, Craig, let me let me ask you,

984
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: because aside from the TVUSA being a lot more stacked.

985
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: I did attend last the twenty twenty three tournament. I

986
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 4: went to one game.

987
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: It was a championship game USA and Japan, and I

988
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: was able to buy tickets for about twenty four dollars,

989
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 3: albeit in the right field, you know, very easily. The

990
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: night the day off, I think I bought a ticket

991
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: to go with my friend, who was incredible experience first

992
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: of all, But now do is it a big difference?

993
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 4: Why is it going to be so much more expensive

994
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: this year?

995
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: I just think that people are going to remember what

996
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: happened last year. I think that those moments, that moment

997
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: that Tray Turner hit that Grand Slam against Venezuela, I

998
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: remember that was the best moment I remember. I remember

999
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: very specifically taking Hayes and taking his buddies to that game,

1000
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: and his buddies were from Venezuela, and they I've never

1001
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: and these are like the nicest young kids. They were

1002
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: crushing Hayes the whole game.

1003
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 6: They were like ah, and then Tray Turner hit that

1004
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 6: home run and he stood up like and it's it's

1005
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 6: just different when it's for your country, you know, like

1006
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 6: it's it's just a different feeling.

1007
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 2: As the kids say, it's a different vibe. And I

1008
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: don't know to answer your question, Isaac, I can't predict tickets.

1009
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: And listen, maybe in the end you're right. Maybe if

1010
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: tm USA plays Japan again this time, maybe the tickets

1011
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: will be twenty five dollars again. But based on my

1012
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: understanding is that it will not be the case that

1013
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: go around. And by the way, I assure you that

1014
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: if you tried to go to the Dominican Republic versus Venezuela,

1015
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: you might not be able to get a ticket for

1016
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: twenty five dollars. I don't care what scenario that is.

1017
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: No, definitely, I would agree, it really is. It is

1018
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: special to watch these kids.

1019
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: Although there are some players that are very it's very

1020
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: extended relationships with certain countries that they're playing for.

1021
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: So that Rice Harper is playing in this he has

1022
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: no business playing in it. Everybody wants to play this time.

1023
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: This is way different. Look at the pitching for Team USA. Adam.

1024
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: Wayne Wright was pitching for Team No offense to Adam

1025
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: Team USA the last time out. The big starter for

1026
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: the d R Johnny Cueto. Okay, a lot different. It's

1027
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot different this time around. The players all want

1028
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: to be in it. I'm telling you, come on.

1029
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: It all changed simply because of how well it was

1030
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: last year. It's been going great every single time last year.

1031
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: Last year was the next level waited the game.

1032
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: Look at look at Team USA is pitching in twenty seventeen.

1033
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: That's all you need to look at, and you'll know

1034
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: how much more this how much better this tournament is.

1035
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: It was scenes and Trek Schoogle pitching in school, pitching

1036
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: in a free agent season.

1037
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know how Scott Boris, let's

1038
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: his client do that?

1039
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Because they all want to play this year, it's going

1040
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: to be crazy. I'm like you, Isaac. Years ago, I

1041
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I just want to go to training.

1042
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to get get undated with this WBC stuff.

1043
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: I was there for the first WBC when it was here.

1044
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: I remember that. But you're wrong, man, You're wrong on

1045
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: this one. This is.

1046
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: Everybody has told Isaac he is wrong. I just want

1047
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: to be very clear about this.

1048
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: Every single has told me I'm wrong. Executives on the

1049
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: Marlins have told me I'm wrong. Players have told me

1050
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: I'm wrong.

1051
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: And you know what, I'll wear it on my chest

1052
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: when I attend a World Baseball Classic.

1053
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: Game or wait to the end. If you have to

1054
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: wait to the end, it's fine. Some of the games

1055
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: aren't great, I'll give you that. But when you and

1056
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: and by the way, I don't know if I will

1057
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: be going to the Dominican Republic versus Venezuela. I mean that.

1058
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's going to be an experience there, you know.

1059
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: But I will be there for as much as I can. Hey,

1060
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: maybe I'll be covering it for somebody who.

1061
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: Knows, right, Yeah, fair enough Indiana versus Miami, who wins

1062
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Greg one word answer.

1063
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: I think I think probably Indiana wins, with the game

1064
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: is a lot closer than that. I I can't believe

1065
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: this line is seven and a half. I mean, I

1066
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: must be missing something. I agree, and seems to be

1067
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: playing these games so close every single game. And yeah,

1068
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: I'll say, uh, twenty four nineteen something like that. Great

1069
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: in the last game they played. Honestly, I don't think

1070
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: I think Miami will keep Indiana at bay. I think

1071
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: I think Indiana wins, but they don't cover. I'm a

1072
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: spread guy, you know, a sports of course.

1073
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: Alrighty, we're gonna wrap it up there. Fifty one minutes

1074
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: in over two thousand people tuned in to watch this one,

1075
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: so really appreciated the number. That's really good. Yeah, that

1076
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: is definitely it. So, Craig, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us. From Craig, Eli, Isaac and myself, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys all probably next week, I like we'll see

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Speaker 1: so peace out and go fish.