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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 1: straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Thursday, May twenty

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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are listening to this after

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Speaker 1: staying up on the East Coast super late last night

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Speaker 1: watching the play in game. Everybody's bashing the play in

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Speaker 1: and I probably was texting like thirty seven different people

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Speaker 1: about the Lakers Warriors thriller last night. But before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, and Rob g I'm sure he can't

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Speaker 1: wait to give his flowers to Steph Curry, who was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I mean what he was doing to Dennis Schroder illegal

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Speaker 1: in at least twelve states. I mean it was. It

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Speaker 1: was just so unbelievable. How could you not love Curry?

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Speaker 1: But the game was great Before all that, I have

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Speaker 1: to say we have a tremendous guest today, A living

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Speaker 1: legend stops by the podcast, Peter Vessey. Now I know

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Speaker 1: the millennials will be like, I don't know the guy.

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Speaker 1: Let me fast forward through that so I can get

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Speaker 1: to the lebron verse. Curry takes Guys. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you, in the history of NBA media, we all

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Speaker 1: know WOAJ is awesome and a bunch of other guys

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Speaker 1: have a huge impact in the media. But Peter Vessey

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Speaker 1: was the guy in the ninety nineties and early two

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Speaker 1: thousand's as like, you know, the reporter who broke a

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Speaker 1: ton of stories. He broke the death of Draws and Petrovic.

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Speaker 1: He broke the Gilbert Arena's gun story in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: He broke the Latrell Spretewell choking. Um, his coach p J.

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Speaker 1: Carl This guy, he was so dominant in the nineties

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Speaker 1: as a reporter. You know he was in based in

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Speaker 1: New York. He really you know how I just said

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry took a blowtwords to Dennis shrewder Well. In

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Speaker 1: our chat, Peter Vessey basically deep panted Jim Gray. He

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Speaker 1: lit Charles Barkley on fire with you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: I was aggressive going after Barkley, and I mean Peter

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. He may have called him a con man

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Speaker 1: at some point in the conversation. Um, he basically ripped

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. I mean, like Peter West and he knows

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Speaker 1: all these guys, he covered them, He knows the stories

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Speaker 1: that are untold and it's tremendous. You guys will love it.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to Peter Vessey, I thought we

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Speaker 1: would talk about the Yankees throwing a no hitter. Psych

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Speaker 1: obviously they did. That's great. Another no hitter in baseball.

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Speaker 1: We'll probably talk about that, you know, some day soon.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, the Grizzlies Spurs game was kind

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Speaker 1: of fun. It was a push John morantmuss some pre

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Speaker 1: throwers that cost me some money. But the real story

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Speaker 1: was Lebron versus Steph Curry, and it was It was

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Speaker 1: one of those games where you're like, oh, the play

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Speaker 1: in Yeah, that felt like game seven. Uh Braun thirty

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Speaker 1: five minutes. The guy hasn't played thirty five minutes since March,

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Speaker 1: and he had a triple double. I don't know, uh

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Speaker 1: if this will go down as a triple double, because

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Speaker 1: apparently the stats for the playing games like don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: They don't go to your regular season, they don't go

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Speaker 1: to your playoff, They just you know, go they go

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Speaker 1: away there nothing, which is good for guys like Dennis Shrewder,

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Speaker 1: who was unspeakably awful minus twenty and thirty minutes. He

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Speaker 1: because he was so bad. Alex Carucio came in and

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Speaker 1: was pivotal defensively against Curry, really the only guy who

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Speaker 1: could contain Curry a little bit. Um. But overall, this

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Speaker 1: was a Lebron game, and this was Lebron beating Curry

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Speaker 1: in a game that the Warriors. If I don't have

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Speaker 1: the final tally, I would guess the Warriors led for

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Speaker 1: forty six minutes, forty five minutes um. They dominated the

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Speaker 1: first half. I think NBA executives were pooping their pants

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Speaker 1: um and very nervous about the prospect of the Lakers

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But Lebron saved the day. Came in in

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Speaker 1: the late third quarter and this is pretty much when

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Speaker 1: it turned Lebron and with eleven and ten, but he

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Speaker 1: made some passes that we're just oh, my gosh, you know,

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Speaker 1: just threading the needle to Kuzma. Kuzma, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Harrold I counted zero minutes in the second half. Just

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Speaker 1: This will be the big story. Was him getting basically

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Speaker 1: clearly a flagrant foul. And I'm sure there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Homer guys, look at the damn replay. Draymond did not

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Speaker 1: want to get dunked on. He was caught in no

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Speaker 1: Late in the game, Draymond goes right to the face,

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Speaker 1: something was going on with it, but it was you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I always have liked Draymond Green. Um, I tell my kids, listen,

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Speaker 1: he had six turnovers. A pivotal when late on an

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Speaker 1: and uh rob G. My big takeaway from this is

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Speaker 1: Let's remember Um, at the end of the third, I

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Speaker 1: Once he was out and Draymond was out as well,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Rob, he was terrible. Oh he was

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Speaker 1: It'll be because of clutched sports. And you saw Andre

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Speaker 1: get to our guest, the legendary Peter Vessey. Jason likes

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Speaker 1: no audition, and our audition, our audition was Hubie Brown,

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Speaker 1: Earl Monroe, Mike, Mike Breen, and myself, and I I chose,

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Speaker 1: I chose everybody. I chose Jubie to be mine. My

425
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Speaker 1: co host, Mike was going to lead us in. You know,

426
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Speaker 1: he was very young obviously, just had a forum basically

427
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Speaker 1: and um and role Monroe came out as the guest

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Speaker 1: and and and it stole. So we did. We did

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Speaker 1: ten pregame shows for CBS, and it was up to

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Speaker 1: the affiliates whether they were going to pick it up

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Speaker 1: or not. UM. So the first year ten shows I'd

432
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Speaker 1: say it was between seventy three and seventy seven percent

433
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Speaker 1: of the affiliates kicked it up. They could put it

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Speaker 1: on three games, they could put it on half time,

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Speaker 1: they could put it on post game whatever. So it was.

436
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Speaker 1: It was very successful. And and so the second season

437
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Speaker 1: they believe that they gave us. They gave us. There

438
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: was a two million dollar budget and we were going

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Speaker 1: to do at least ten maybe maybe fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 1: more that next year. And the guy who was the director,

441
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Speaker 1: whose name is gonna slip me. Uh, you see, Colombia's

442
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: played to Columbia. Uh, did the Game of the week

443
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Speaker 1: on football. He was a degenerate gambler and oh he

444
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: shold all our money. They didn't even pay us for

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Speaker 1: the ten segments we did. And he wound up going

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Speaker 1: to jail and uh, and you know what he was

447
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: he was, you should look it up. I mean he

448
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: was going Wolf Chamberlin was playing. He was played at Columbia.

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00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: I gotta my tongue. But he led he led the

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Speaker 1: nation in scoring, for christ sake, he was like five eight.

451
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can I can sust on this right

452
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Speaker 1: of course, whatever you want. Yeah, I hated that motherfucker.

453
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: He caught me. Yeah, he went to jail. I had

454
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Speaker 1: to sue his partners to get paid and I only

455
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: got paid two thirds of it, and I got h

456
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: paid two thirds and he never contributed to my lawyer fees.

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Speaker 1: By the way, and it's the guy's name, by the

458
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Speaker 1: chett Yeah, chet Ye gets out of jail and he

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Speaker 1: gets he gets a fucking radio show in San Diego

460
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: and calls me up and wants me to be a guest,

461
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, after he stole your money. Yeah, oh no,

462
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: this guy, no shame, no shame whatsoever. You know, think

463
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Speaker 1: about Columbia. You know, in those days it was it

464
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: was infested with gamblers. You know that uh that got

465
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Speaker 1: thrown out of the NBA, and he was one of them.

466
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Speaker 1: He didn't make the NBA. But guys from Columbia, man,

467
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Speaker 1: they would gamblers. They would be generous. And so you know,

468
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Speaker 1: I cursed him out on the phone. I hope that,

469
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Speaker 1: you know. I wish he died, and he did. And

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Speaker 1: I you know, if I if I had been close

471
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Speaker 1: to his grave, I would have fished on it. But

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Speaker 1: but so yeah, you know, me and me and method man,

473
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Speaker 1: he would have pulled out our charlsick you. Fox Sports

474
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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. Can we do the Gilbert

478
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Arenas thing? I mean, I don't know how comfortable you

479
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: are talking about that. Gilbert Arenas recently has got in

480
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: this uh social media pissing contest of Kwamy Brown. It

481
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it's going to end well for anybody. Um,

482
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm all right the way. I'm all

483
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: for Qualmy because you know, it's always bothered me that

484
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, these guys they can they can go up

485
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Speaker 1: there and they can take on Qualmy Brown. You know,

486
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Speaker 1: Stephen eight, he can take on Qualmy Brown. Really, I mean,

487
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: the guy was a role player? Whose fourt was it

488
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: that he didn't make it big? Who's four? The person

489
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: who drafted him number one? Who was that idiot? You know? Why?

490
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Speaker 1: Why would Michael Jordan's try to tear a guy down

491
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Speaker 1: or he's eighteen years old instead of trying to build

492
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Speaker 1: him up? You know what an asshole he was? So

493
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Speaker 1: they don't have a talk about the things that Kwami

494
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: did well you know what what a great runner he was,

495
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: what a great defensive uh player he was in the post,

496
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: you know, the picks that he set, all that, they

497
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Speaker 1: don't talk about that. I'm probably the first person that's

498
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Speaker 1: ever talked about it, but I know, I know what

499
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Speaker 1: Kwamie was worth as a role player. So they're gonna

500
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Speaker 1: hold it against him his whole life because he didn't

501
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Speaker 1: make it the way that the asshole who drafted him

502
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Speaker 1: so high. You know, so expectations were ridiculously you know,

503
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: you know, not not there for hims anyway, So what

504
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: was your calling? No, it's it's funny you bring up

505
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Speaker 1: Jordans being an asshole and Peter the hay giography from

506
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. It's like he never missed a shot in

507
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He's the greatest player ever by a mile.

508
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Nobody can ever touch him. I mean, I don't know, Peter,

509
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: you were covering the league in the eighties, like this

510
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: guy couldn't get by the great Pistons, he couldn't get

511
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Speaker 1: by the great Celtics. I know he didn't have the

512
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Speaker 1: help around him, but I mean, Michael Jordan's once you

513
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Speaker 1: start really digging into the nineties and then you start

514
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: to dig in when Michael Jordan quit the NBA twice

515
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: and then tried to come back with the Wizards and

516
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, the kwambe brown stuff. I don't know that.

517
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like people are you know, glossing over

518
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot with Jordan just to gas him up and

519
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: kicked down guys like Lebron for some reason. Well I

520
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to put Lebron into this at all.

521
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: But you know, look, Jordan's Jordan's showed who he was

522
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: in the uh in the documentary, he showed what he

523
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: showed what a bullies he is. He showed how both

524
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Speaker 1: over he is. We all know what a great player

525
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: he was, no question about that. But you know, like

526
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Speaker 1: you said, he wasn't able to get by those those

527
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Speaker 1: great teams until you know he and Pippin, who he

528
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: by the way, you know it was really bullied him

529
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Speaker 1: in practice and and and you know it helped him

530
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: obviously hoped Gotti would who advanced and be recognized. But

531
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Speaker 1: you know, he didn't care who he hurt. There were

532
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: many guys on that team he hurt and uh, you know, so, yeah,

533
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: it is glossed over now some of the guys did

534
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: comment on it in the documentary, But there were a

535
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of stuff in that doctor that

536
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: wasn't told, and a lot of this stuff was so

537
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: old and tried, and you know, he had finals, he

538
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: had final say on the whole thing. So well, I'm

539
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: sure that there's a lot of stuff that should have

540
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Speaker 1: been in what should have been in there that the

541
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: people don't know. Well, I'm not gonna go there because

542
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: if I ever to finish my book, it will be

543
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: in that So I'm not going to go there. But

544
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: there was plenty let me tell you fenty I don't

545
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I've been told. When I was asking around about the interview, Hey,

546
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to Peter Vessey. One of the first

547
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Speaker 1: things a couple of people said was, you gotta ask

548
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: about Larry Bird. Nobody talks better about Bird than Peter

549
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Vessey and Bob Bryan, So, uh, talk about Larry Bird.

550
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: Just anything you've got on Larry Bird, who again, I

551
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: had to retire early. People forget. I think he was

552
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Speaker 1: out of the league at like thirty two or thirty three. Peter, Yeah,

553
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. The age might have been only later,

554
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, I told him to his face

555
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: favorite player of all time. Absolutely, not only not only

556
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: my favorite player to watch, but he was my favorite

557
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: player to hang out with because he never told me

558
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: off the record ever. He was a storyteller. You know.

559
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I used to call him, you know, the Will Rodgers

560
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: of the NBA and um and so we you know,

561
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: we had wound up having you know, a great relationship.

562
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: But even when he was a coach, when he was

563
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, as a general manager president of pacers. So

564
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say enough good things about him.

565
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I just think he's, uh, he was. He was unbelievable

566
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: to be around. I am so fortunate to be around him,

567
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: and you know, Julia's irving and and even Jordan's for sure.

568
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: You know, it was many times that he helped me

569
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: um with things. But the Larry Larry, I know, I

570
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: could always go to him for the truth. And and

571
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, people are gonna say that. And by the way,

572
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: I named him Larry Legend, which everybody you know doesn't recognize,

573
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: but they're they're willing to talk about me naming Joe

574
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: Barry Carroll, Joe Barry Apathy and all those you know,

575
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: all these other nicknames that I get. But hey, how

576
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: about I named Jordan Air Jordan the first exhibition game

577
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: at the Garden as a rookie. You know, so whatever,

578
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: So um, I love I love birds and um. I

579
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: told him the last time we spoke in person, I

580
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: told him that, you know, I'm having so much trouble

581
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: writing my book, I said, but I don't. I don't.

582
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe I would have had any trouble writing

583
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: your book. And I wish you had asked me. You know, Ryan, Ryan,

584
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: he did two of them, and I don't know other

585
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: people did books. I shaid, I would have loved to

586
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: have written your book, because every time that I was

587
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: with him, he gave me stuff that was not in

588
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: his books. M hm. And I've written that to two

589
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: or three chapters of my books if it ever comes out,

590
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: if I ever finished it. But yeah, he gave me.

591
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: He gave me this tremendous, tremendous stuff, so you know.

592
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: And I told his story before, you know, I said

593
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: to him when he became the president of of the Page, No,

594
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: when he came coach to the Pacers, I guess. And

595
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: we had a dinner. I went out to Indianapolis and

596
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I had lunch with he and Dan Donnie Walsh and

597
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: at the table a day, I said to you, and

598
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: all the time I've known you, you've never set off

599
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: the record once. And his response was, you know, why

600
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: why would I can't you write I don't read your

601
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: ship happy? And I like that guy? Yeah, he does it.

602
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: He legitimately did not care. Now a guy you you

603
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: mentioned a bunch of stars. You did not mention Magic Johnson. Um,

604
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: I did find that he. I don't know what the

605
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: situation is between you two, but in two thousand eleven

606
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: he took some kind of shot at you on Twitter,

607
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, twitters whatever it is. But um, what's the

608
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: relationship like with Magic? Did you guys have a falling out? Uh? Yeah,

609
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: I gonna tell you exactly when it was. I will

610
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: write about it my book. But um yeah, I mean

611
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: I never you know, forget how it started, which is

612
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: which is the main thing. Um, I never had any

613
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: um I never I never thought he was any good

614
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: on television, you know, total bullshit, total total con man,

615
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: totally you know, not telling you anything. You know, anybody

616
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: in the in the in in watching the stands couldn't

617
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: tell you. So I always thought he was stealing money,

618
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know I got on him for his

619
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: talk show and you know whatever that was. And uh

620
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, so it's carried over. But at one time,

621
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, one time we were you know, we were good.

622
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, we were good and uh and he was

623
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Speaker 1: very very helpful, you know, after games and stuff. He was,

624
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, really good that way. Um, you know, I

625
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: got on a big time. You know, I don't mind

626
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: telling you that because it's history. But you know when

627
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: when he had everything to do with Paul Westead getting fired,

628
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, like how many games into the season, Um,

629
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: he was he was behind that. He wanted to be traded.

630
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't like the fact he wasn't getting

631
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: the ball. He didn't like the fact that the offense

632
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: is steered around Cariina go with your bar slowing down.

633
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: For him, he wanted to run, so did the owner.

634
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: And so he was, uh he was let's go, you know.

635
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: And again the people always thought, you know, ideal and rumors.

636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Really so, you know, I found something the other day

637
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: because I have all my town, I found something the

638
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: other day that I had wrote wrote I'd say, uh,

639
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: three or four games into the season and somebody from

640
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you know, leaked me the story and said

641
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: West Heads in trouble, and and I printed it and

642
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: and he was, even though he won five games in

643
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: a row, he they fired him. And so you know,

644
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: people said, well, why, you know, why would somebody from

645
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: the Lakers do that? And the reason is they did

646
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: it because I was the national columnist and they wanted

647
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: to to gauge what the reaction would be. And and

648
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: so you know, I guess there wasn't that great a reaction,

649
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, but I killed him. I wrote a column

650
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: about I remember, I wrote a whole column about all

651
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: the other things that Magic Johnson wants. I remember one was,

652
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted he wanted what a view from

653
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: his locker room, you know, from his locker um. And

654
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: I remember I was out in Utah, and uh, the

655
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: season tickets people are right around then, No fliat wliat

656
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: my dog. Yeah, so they they had me come to

657
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: their season ticket meeting before a game. And I've read them,

658
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, forty of them, you know, like, yeah, so

659
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you know a lot of history of history, but that

660
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: wasn't the main thing. You're gonna have to Yeah, that's fine.

661
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: Eagerly awaiting the book. I want to ask you Uh,

662
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: Peter about Charles Barkley, Um, I know he is an

663
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: entertainer and everybody loves him. Now, Peter, you say you're

664
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: not up on the NBA currently, but I will tell

665
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: you this. All Charles Berkley loves to do is go

666
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: on TV and bash current players for joining forces with

667
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: other players and teaming up and demanding trades. When Peter,

668
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: you know this very well. It's well documented that in

669
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: the nineties Barkley demanded out of Philly. I know he

670
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: had been in the bar fight and everything demanded out

671
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: of Phoenix. He like one, only wanted to go to contenders.

672
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Why can Barkley hold on? Hold on? He didn't demand

673
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: that of Philly they demanded. He has quotes. He has

674
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: quotes that he said. I've thrown them out many times,

675
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: like he's quoted in papers and saying I want to

676
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: be out of here. I need to get to a contender.

677
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Phoenix was not a contend of my friends. As soon

678
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: as I got Barkley, they were. They went to the finals.

679
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Barkley was the MVP of the league. He didn't go

680
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: to a contender. They became a contender. He went, He

681
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: went for a horna sec and two fringe players. I

682
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: think Andrew laying it stuff. I broke that story too.

683
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: But the original the original trade was Kevin Johnson was

684
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the trade and not Hornessec And

685
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: they pulled out right at the last minute, and they said, hey,

686
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: you to take it or leave it because his his

687
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: value was nothing, his value is not. Nobody wanted him.

688
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: He was an asshole, he was tough. Teammates didn't like him.

689
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: Cuttingham retired rather than coach, and Julius retired rather than

690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: to be his teammate. So you know, so he went

691
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: to all right, yeah, and he went he became the

692
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: m v P. He wound up losing, you know, to

693
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: to two series to Houston because he was out partying,

694
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, when they were up three one in both

695
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of us or yeah, I think it was up three

696
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: one in both and so um yeah, So what else

697
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: about Barkley, You know, I don't look, I don't know

698
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna play for whatever. It's interesting, you know,

699
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: you say, you know, you mentioned Phoenix, but that's not

700
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: the key one that was the he won was Houston. Okay,

701
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: he wanted out, he wanted out, They wanted him out.

702
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: His teammates wanted him out. Kevin Johnson and A. C.

703
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: Green went to Jerry Colangelo. Leona wanted him traded. They

704
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: did not want to be with him anymore. Westfall loved

705
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: him because he got him to the finals. You know,

706
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: he made him a contender for three years or he

707
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: coached him. But so so they traded, They tried, he wanted.

708
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: They traded him to a contender, a team that had

709
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: won two championships. And uh and I noticed what he

710
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: did there, you know, if they didn't win with him,

711
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I remember, I remember Scottie Pippot.

712
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't believe that this guy was coming

713
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: to play with him in Houston and saw how overweight

714
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: he was, and how how he didn't want to practice.

715
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: He didn't want to you know, he didn't want to

716
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: work out, he didn't want to get in the weight room.

717
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy, the guy is you know, man,

718
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: he's a fraud, that's what he is. He was he

719
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: a hell of a player, yes he was. He was.

720
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: But you know it should bother him more than anybody

721
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that he didn't get what he could have gotten out

722
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: of his talent, except for maybe a couple of years.

723
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: You know that Champ that that m v P year. Yeah,

724
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: he got everything out of it, no question. I just

725
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I love your truth telling throughout history, like you're willing

726
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: to say the truth. I feel like Barkley is the

727
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: opposite like you. You called him a fraud again, this

728
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: is the guy who bashes current players. He did all

729
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: the same other crap. Like all he does is rip

730
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: James Harden. I mean James Harden's in strip clubs and

731
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: James Harden wants out of Houston. You just detailed everything

732
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: that Barkley did in the nineties, which is similar, except

733
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: you can add getting in fights and throwing people through

734
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: glass windows. I'll look up other stuff that he did

735
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: while he was in Phoenix. You know, there was a

736
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: big sex party that he was involved in where there

737
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: was an awful lot going on and that that the

738
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: the top papers and Phoenix didn't didn't handle, but the uh,

739
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, the underground papers wrote about extensively. Um. I

740
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: mean he was doing stuff all over all over Arizona.

741
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: It got so bad in Arizona that his daughter went

742
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: to Philadelphia to college and I, I, you know, really

743
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: got out of there, you know, And uh, I don't

744
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: think his wife weren't with him. I I know, Maureen,

745
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: I used to see your Ama Phoenix guy over there

746
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: all the time, and I used to see her driving around,

747
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, in a convertible, and I didn't see Charles

748
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: in that car. But but I, um, I think it's

749
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: it's so it's so unbelievably great that his daughter became

750
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: a journalist. I think that's just fabulous. Back in your face,

751
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: do you do you kind of some of these nineties stuff, Peter,

752
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not going to bash the NBA in

753
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: the nineties, but you look up the expansion era. When

754
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: it started, it was like they added I believe six

755
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: expansion teams. There wasn't a ton of guys from Europe

756
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: like there are now overseas international players. You know, how

757
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: good was the NBA in the nineties. I would say

758
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: the eighties obviously was vastly superior um then the nineties.

759
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: And you know again, uh, Michael Jordan dominated the nineties

760
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: when Magic and Bird and Isaiah were basically done and

761
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: the nineties was an expansion era. Do you think the

762
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: nineties was as great as everybody likes to think it was.

763
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that I know, I've never

764
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: thought about it. You know, it's never meant anything to

765
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: me to to uh sort of calculating one year versus another.

766
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: It was a great year to to cover basketball. You know.

767
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: The Nicks were really tough, The Pacers were tough, um

768
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Utah was tough. You know, there there were there were

769
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: a lot of good teams controlling you know, and uh so,

770
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, you'll have to figure that on your own.

771
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your relationship with Dr J.

772
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, I believe he was the best

773
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: man at your wedding. That is that accurate? Correct? Yeah,

774
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: just tell me about Dr J. People forget uh he was,

775
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, for a time, greatest player in the world.

776
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: I think he was probably the best player in the

777
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: NBA until you know, Magic or Larry or Jordan took

778
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: it right. Well, you know, so he showed up in

779
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: seventy seven, they showed up in eight. Um. Look, I

780
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: put up a picture of myself for a couple of

781
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: days ago. I actually went I was in Harlem for

782
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: an event, and I went over to the Rucker Playground

783
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Ruger Park, took a picture of myself there and put

784
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: up something and so that's what Julius and I started

785
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: um our relationship for real. I had written about him

786
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: in college, but when he came out of you Mass

787
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: after junior year, I asked him to to join my

788
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: team that I was starting that year, and he did,

789
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: and so we we spent four summers together up there.

790
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I spent another two later on, and we won two championships,

791
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: and you know, we got really close and he he came,

792
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: He showed up most of the time. And to be

793
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: at Rucker Park the other day was so far the

794
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: highlight of my year because I just you had no

795
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: idea what it was like to go back there and

796
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: actually run into three guys who knew me was sitting

797
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: in the park. It was like, oh my god. So

798
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: Julius and I, Judis and I were really tight for

799
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: many years. We worked together at NBC. Like you said,

800
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: he was the best man at my wedding, so upset

801
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: he didn't give me an acre or two of land on,

802
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, in the Hamptons, But you know, whatever, I

803
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: dealt with it. And uh, you know, since he's been

804
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: divorced and remarried and living in Atlanta, were not in

805
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: touch that much. But he did my first podcast for me.

806
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: And you know, as he said to me, of course

807
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have me first. I was best many weddings,

808
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: of course. And he was great. He was so great

809
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: that I learned. I learned stuff myself. I got all

810
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: things and myself, I can't believe that I'm learning things

811
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: on here. And he did. He was so honest about

812
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: so many things. And uh, you know, I told him,

813
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: I did you listen to us now? But you should so,

814
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: so I said to him, I said to him, what

815
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: you really should You should listen to the ones that

816
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: count instead of that these people who are trying to

817
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: pretend they know what was going on back then. But

818
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: he he uh, I said to me, most people think

819
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: that you gave me a lot of information. You know.

820
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: I used to stay at this house, you know, out

821
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: there York every day. You know all that stuff. I said,

822
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: You Navi gave me that kind of information. You always

823
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: gave me great quotes, no question. You explained things about

824
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: what was going on. But you never never said anything

825
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: negative about the team or culture. I said, but I

826
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: didn't need you. I had your wife. She told me everything.

827
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: As he laughed, laugh, But they did. The boy all right, Uh,

828
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: Peter Vessey, I'll wrap up with this. It was it

829
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: was just Hall of Fame weekend. I don't know if

830
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: you were up there, you watched any of the UM

831
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: what what went down? The speeches? Okay? You uh famously

832
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: UM got in you you made a speech in I

833
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand eleven. I've watched it um

834
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I don't know, Peter, if you had to

835
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: do it again, would you change anything about your speech?

836
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: First of all, was two thousand and nine. I'm sorry

837
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: I went in the same year Jordan, when you should

838
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: remember just for that. But yeah, well no, I mean

839
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: there was a big debate who had the worst speech?

840
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: You are Jordan and a lot of people or you

841
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: know again again, people's perception is so so ludicrous. I

842
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: loved I thought he plagiarized my speech. Actually, but but

843
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Speaker 1: I why would I Why would I change anything? It's

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Speaker 1: like Sam Smith, you know who wrote the Jordan rules. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know both me says nobody, nobody will ever remember

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Speaker 1: anybody else's speech that got up here. You know that

847
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Speaker 1: they got this award, but everybody remembers what you said.

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Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, exactly, And I said that I

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Speaker 1: was going to turn it down. I am so against

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Speaker 1: the the Hall of Fame, so against it. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you in the second if you want to know. But

852
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Speaker 1: but I told the guy when he called me, I said, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really, I should have been in

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Speaker 1: ten years ago. You put people in there, you know,

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Speaker 1: they ludicrous who you put in. But it was all personal.

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Speaker 1: I get it. And I said, the only reason I'm

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Speaker 1: going to accept, and I said this at the at

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Speaker 1: the speech, is that now I'm in a position that

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Speaker 1: perhaps people who are in power will listen to me

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Speaker 1: regarding who belongs in the Hall of Fame. And I

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Speaker 1: listed maybe I don't know, eight ten names. Compare them

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Speaker 1: to people who are in. You know, I think, I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Joe Dumars is in, well, how can

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Speaker 1: Dennis Johnson not? You know, that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 1: every guy, every guy that I mentioned, he's in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame today and I and I was invited

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Speaker 1: to attend two of those voting I got two voting occasions, uh,

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Speaker 1: and had a lot to do with certain people getting in.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I wasn't invited back after the second

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Speaker 1: was that I didn't follow Colangelo's orders. He's a bully.

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Speaker 1: He's a bully in the room, you know. And so

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Speaker 1: just follow my lead. Pete, No, I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: Jerry No, and and so um. You know, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you one guy absolutely got into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: You know, at least that year he might have gotten

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Speaker 1: in the year after was robbing the whole The whole

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Speaker 1: room was against them. And I didn't have to do

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Speaker 1: my homework. I just look at the statistics and look

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Speaker 1: at the winds the championships, and you could how could

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Speaker 1: you keep that guy out? And so I turned turned

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Speaker 1: the room around from nine it was nine people in

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Speaker 1: the room, from nine to one, from eight to one,

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Speaker 1: and then they had the boat and became nine zero

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Speaker 1: and then and then it became I don't know how many,

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Speaker 1: uh actually, but you needed eighteen of twenty four people

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Speaker 1: in the room were nine. So I don't know who

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Speaker 1: the other people were. It was done remotely, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he got in. And I know, some angels really work.

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00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Angelo was really worried that, you know, he's gonna show

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Speaker 1: up an address, you know, stuff like that. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like a popularity contest, and it was like running

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Speaker 1: for president or some possible popularity and political and political

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much. Let me, I'll get right

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Speaker 1: to the point. Nobody, of course, is gonna write this.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna write it, nobody's gonna even say anything about it.

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Speaker 1: How does Jim Gray get into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: on on a category that was just fabricated out of

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Speaker 1: thin air that he does not qualify for? First of all,

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Speaker 1: how did he get in? I mean, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to figure it out yourself, because I don't really want

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Speaker 1: to say. I don't know for sure, but I would

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Speaker 1: bet you know much money on it how he got in.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna say. But it's certainly political. So

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Speaker 1: do wait, Jim Gray? Wasn't he your colleague at NBC

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Speaker 1: in the nineties? Unfortunately? Yeah, what do you What do

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Speaker 1: you have against Jim Gray? I think that might have

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Speaker 1: met him once. Oh, he's an asshole. He could be,

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Speaker 1: he could be. He could be the only guy in

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Speaker 1: a ruin to be a start. He'd start a fight.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's how we got to the Hall of Fame. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, do you think about it someday when you

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Speaker 1: you know, when you get composed and try to figure

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Speaker 1: out how Jim Gray got in the whole thing. It's

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Speaker 1: a joke, the fucking joke that guy. Okay, god, wow,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should Should we end on that? Or do

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Speaker 1: you want to do you want to rip anyone else's fine?

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Speaker 1: Exclamation point? Amen? Think about Jim Gray? Okay, all right, Peter,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, man, Think it easy.