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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zeren Zaren you get over here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: You're really eager. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, all right, what do you know? People like

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Speaker 4: they don't like cilantro. Yeah, they say it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: apparently there's another genetic cord where people can smell ants

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Speaker 4: really because they can smell the formic acid on the

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Speaker 4: outsid use, yeah, or the orlaic acid, either one that

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Speaker 4: they can smell, and apparently that's a chemical messenger for ants,

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Speaker 4: so they can smell the ant trail. So there's one

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Speaker 4: person on the reddit they were talking about how they

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Speaker 4: watched their boyfriend hunt down at a single ant using

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Speaker 4: his trail. Wow, all right, isn't that crazy? And then

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Speaker 4: so they asked, like, what what does it smell?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to know blue cheese and gasoline?

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Speaker 2: Oh dear god?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Better? What Like then after it rains and the ants

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Speaker 2: come out, and they're just like pass out because the

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Speaker 2: smells so bad. That's crazy. Isn't there a similar thing

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Speaker 2: with like asparagus p that some people get it and

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Speaker 2: some people don't.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I guess so I don't know the answer,

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Speaker 4: but yes, I think that basically, once again, it's it's

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Speaker 4: an expression of a gene.

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Speaker 2: So we are complex.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just one letter here, one letter that exactly.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: Other than ants, smell trail, there's not a whole lot,

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Speaker 6: but suing someone over telling a true story.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought about doing that.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heiss and cons. It's always ninety nine murder free in

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 2: The story I have for you today, Buddy. You listen

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Speaker 2: to a lot of old radio shows. I know you've

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Speaker 2: mentioned that, like as a way to escape the present. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I was looking into crimes that would be in

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Speaker 2: some way involved with old radio shows since I wanted

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Speaker 2: to tell you something entertaining that would make you happy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I need to atone for telling the George Santos story.

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Speaker 2: Maya culpa. So this is how I'm making it up

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Speaker 2: to you and everybody else. I searched around and I

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Speaker 2: found a radio adjacent crime, really and it wasn't on

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Speaker 2: the radio, but it was involved with someone who was

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Speaker 2: and this guy he traveled in some of your favorite

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Speaker 2: criminal underworld circles.

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Speaker 3: What is my birthday?

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Speaker 2: I know I don't always treat you right, dizzy and

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Speaker 2: times is trying. So this is my gift to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Today I shall tell you the story of Julius Wilford Arnstein.

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Speaker 3: Ooh yeah a name.

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Speaker 2: Julius born July first, eighteen seventy nine in Berlin, Germany.

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Speaker 2: What a time. So he's born into this Jewish family. Now,

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Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy nine, the Jewish community in Berlin, they

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Speaker 2: growing tension. Yes, so Germany had unified.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the German Empire has now become a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen seventy one Jewish people were granted full civil

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Speaker 2: nine when he's born, anti Semitism is really on the rise.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it was in eighteen seventy nine that Wilhelm

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Speaker 3: Really when he.

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Speaker 2: Was founding the League of Anti Semites. Wow, so he's

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Speaker 2: like he's like pro ye, so yeah, he's like this

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Speaker 3: He named the people haters.

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Speaker 2: Call us the haters. So all that's going on Julius, right,

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Speaker 2: and they settled in New Jersey, and then upon arriving

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Speaker 2: a big change. Sure, I'm guessing a survival method. Not

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Speaker 3: Shock in a dietary culture shock?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, culture showhere? But yeah, just like we

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Speaker 3: Like, what is what?

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Speaker 2: What even is this? So Julius Wilford Arnstein eventually became

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Speaker 2: Nicki Arnstein, a d out of the arned Stein. He

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Speaker 3: Are they riding like Penny far like the big wheel?

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Speaker 2: Let's say they were on Penny Farthings just haul and

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Speaker 2: By his early twenties he had drifted into like the

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Speaker 2: social circles of gamblers, swindlers, con men. Yeah, just like

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Speaker 2: we like him. He was a super smart guy. He

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Speaker 2: early nineteen hundreds, Nicky's in his twenties criming it up

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Speaker 2: first though, May nineteen oh six he married Carrie Greenthal

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Speaker 3: He doesn't sound episcopalian, No, I do know.

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Speaker 2: He bailed out on her a few years later, just

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Speaker 2: up and left. There's a reference to a Julius Earnstein

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Speaker 2: and I don't think it's Nicky, but please indulge me

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Speaker 2: on how far We've come, slash gone, slash evolved, slash

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Speaker 2: devolved as a society. Oh please, so the headline spoke

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Justice nice finds Julius Earnstein for using rude language

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Speaker 2: in a wire conversation. It's a subhead. Here's the article

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Speaker 2: in Justice Nye's court this morning, Julius Earnstein, manager of

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Speaker 2: thirteen dollars in all, which he paid. Earnstein disturbed the

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Speaker 2: and that the words attributed to the defendant were merely

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Speaker 3: They've forgotten degrees of criminal language.

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Speaker 2: He got. He got fine for saying you dirty old maid.

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Speaker 4: You dirty old maid. Like I kind of wonder is

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Speaker 2: Exactly? Well, it's not our Nikki, but they share a name.

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Speaker 2: And I just was and this guy, this is this

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Speaker 2: all sorts of Midwestern there's a little bit of trouble anyway,

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Speaker 2: So confusion for you. I it's just horrible and amazing.

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Speaker 2: I love it and I hate it. Back to NICKI okay,

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Speaker 2: so he's busy. He came up with a bunch of aliases,

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Speaker 2: including Nick Arnold, Jewels Aren't and j w Arnold. He

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Speaker 2: had developed this reputation in high society circles both in

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Speaker 3: He was taking the steamer back and forth.

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Speaker 2: There's that luxurious environment on the Transatlantic miners a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of gamblers. We just take it back and forth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've seen it on you know, we've talked

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Speaker 2: They're looking for entertainment characters. Yeah, he Nicky rolls up.

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Speaker 2: He's this sophisticated gentleman. He's fluent in multiple languages, he

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Speaker 2: knows all the high society etiquette. Excellent smart guy, you know.

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Speaker 2: Observed he was able to just seamlessly integrate into the

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Speaker 3: It's like you've stepped into a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're they're thinking, like they're not going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not gonna pull a gun.

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Speaker 2: And they're thinking it's probably not going to happen to me.

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Speaker 3: Another cast sucker at the table.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the intrigue, that's the entertainment. So his main cons

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Speaker 2: so NICKI would always come out on top. No one's

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Speaker 2: the wiser. He's just a darn good car player by jove.

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Speaker 2: But he had other scams. He was known for seducing

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Speaker 2: the mother Maiden Crone. He would feign romantic interest and

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Speaker 2: Classic his charm sophistication made him really effective, like it,

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Speaker 2: He didn't just run these on ocean liners. He pulled

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Speaker 2: ooh la law, the fashion, the exits. Can you imagine

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Speaker 2: this is between nineteen oh nine and nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 3: It's a good year's run, right for a world world.

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Speaker 2: In those times he got arrested a bunch of times,

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Speaker 4: Can you iagine just for a second, robbing the wealthy

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Speaker 2: In the Bella puck and jazz.

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Speaker 3: Exists, so there's like still some good music.

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic in the fashion sit god. So he's nineteen

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Speaker 2: oh nine Monte Carlo, right, he's calling himself jewels, aren't

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Speaker 2: He gets arrested for swindling you know other gamblers, gets

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Speaker 2: released without formal charges. Next year, he's calling himself Arnold.

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Speaker 2: He gets pinched in London. He was doing con games,

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Speaker 2: which seemed to be We've talked before about these kind

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Speaker 2: of things happening in London at that time. Yes, once again,

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Speaker 2: no conviction. Nineteen twelve, he gets busted in Paris. He

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Speaker 2: was calling himself Nicholas Arnoldstein then and he got questioned,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't have enough evidence, so they had to

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Speaker 2: love her. And then another thing happened in nineteen twelve,

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Speaker 2: something magical. He met a woman, Yes, Fanny Bryce whoa yeah,

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Speaker 2: Fanny Bryce, trailblazer, comedian, singer, actress, radio star. She spanned vaudeville, Broadway, film, radio,

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Speaker 2: ever life. Yeah. Known for her zany humor emotional depth

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Speaker 2: of Jewish American entertainment and an inspiration for later female

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Speaker 2: performers dons. Yes, yeah, So. She was born in eighteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: One, wreck lined to Ethel Murmay yes one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred percent as Fania Borok in New York City. She

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Speaker 2: She left school in her teens, and then she changed

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Speaker 2: It really is. As an aside, when Gondorf was in

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Speaker 2: for your recommendation, great show. So the Gondorf gang, they

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Speaker 3: Whoa she leveraged her fame to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, remember, folks, there are two justice systems in

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Speaker 2: That was really impressive. How are the ads?

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Speaker 3: I didn't hear.

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Speaker 2: There were a lot. Do you remember Carrie Greenthal, Mickey Earnstein.

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Speaker 2: So it talks about the suit, but it includes this gem.

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Speaker 2: In the same year, Miss Bryce, which really was only

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was bored, he was.

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Speaker 2: There whatever, you know. So anyway, wife number one divorces Niki.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen nineteen, they had a kid, Francis, and something else

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Speaker 2: happened in nineteen nineteen. What happened Nikki came up with

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Speaker 3: What was his plan?

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Speaker 2: Well, he figured out that he could stage a series

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Speaker 2: something very valuable, liberty bonds. Oh so these are war

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: So the liberty bond campaign was not an easy one.

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Speaker 2: But the problem was that the notes were trading consistently

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Speaker 3: Why sport They.

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Speaker 2: Some said the bonds weren't selling like they should because

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Speaker 7: Since I get it, yeah, they has ever mattered, that's

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Speaker 2: So the government decided, okay, we're going to also log

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Speaker 2: So they went hard on selling the bonds to the public.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Fanny Brice promoted them for World

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Speaker 3: So world fun No, I get it, Well.

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Speaker 2: Why not, so, Nikki. He figured he could intercept these

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Speaker 3: He wants to go like full Hans Gruber. But on

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Speaker 2: Guys, Yes, exactly, bonds there, that's like ninety three million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Nicky planned this thing to the end. Agree Like, he

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Speaker 3: Oh but he's other work guys.

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Speaker 2: But you got to be able to move the bonds.

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Speaker 2: You can't just like turn around resell them because there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you need a fence, someone in a laundrum,

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Speaker 2: and that would take a network far larger and deeper

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Speaker 2: plan for that too, Zaren close eyes. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 2: you to picture it. It's a late summer day in

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Speaker 2: but for now you're tending to some paperwork and taking

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Speaker 2: You have a major project in the works, but you

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Speaker 2: In walks a man in a sharp suit carrying an

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Speaker 2: impeccable Borselino hat. He's smooth debonair. He introduces himself. I'm

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Speaker 2: nicki Earnstein, he tells you. You stand and shake his hand,

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Speaker 2: in a delicate china cup, splash a little cream and

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Speaker 2: do for you, mister Earnstein, you say. He tells you

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Speaker 2: all about his plan with the Liberty bonds, every minute detail,

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00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: all potential pitfalls in their avoidances. He runs down his

436
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: crew and their strengths. Aren't you married to Fanny Bryce,

437
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: you ask him. He tells you he is. She's a

438
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: lovely goal. You tell him, Oh, you don't know the

439
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: half of it. He smiles, and you're really taken with

440
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: his sincerity. It's obvious he really does love her. Many

441
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: men would be intimidated to be with a woman that successful.

442
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: They'd be weak or maybe try to exploit her. You've

443
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: met Fanny Brice in passing. She's not one to be exploited.

444
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: So Nicki's true devotion to his bride is admirable. It

445
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: increases your estimation of him. So what do you propose,

446
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: you asked Nicki. He tells you he'd like for you

447
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: to arrange to launder the bonds. He says he knows

448
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: you have the fences necessary. He just needs you to

449
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: make the connection for him. You'd get a cut and

450
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to do anything with the operation, be totally

451
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: separated from it, never to be associated with it. You

452
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: and he haggle a little on the percentages, but you

453
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: see that this is easy money for you to make.

454
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: You refirm to one of your guys, take a cut,

455
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: go back to focusing on your big project. You agree

456
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: to the terms and tell Nikki that your guys will

457
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: be in touch. That'll get everything rolling. He stands as

458
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: to you and you shake hands. He looks down at

459
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: your desk at the copy of the Chicago Tribune, open

460
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: to the front of the sports section with a big

461
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: headline about the White Sox and their victory yesterday. Thank

462
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: you again, mister Rothstein, he tells you. Then he turns

463
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: and walks out the door. Yes, so, Nikki Earnstein had

464
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: visited none other than Arnold the Rothstein. Yeah, in search

465
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: of a connection to money launderers for the liberty bonds. Zarin,

466
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: I have now made you another of your criminal heroes.

467
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: Are you too good to me?

468
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 8: I am?

469
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 3: I wish you had heroes and I can return the favor.

470
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: So that fall of nineteen nineteen, a series of stick

471
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: ups on Wall Street wiped out five million dollars in

472
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: liberty bonds. And these weren't real stick ups though they're rigged,

473
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: because most of the time they actually were able to

474
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: get the messengers in on it. The messengers had been

475
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: stealing these things here and there since they were initially issued.

476
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: This was just on a huge scale, and the messengers

477
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: had covered they could say I've been robbed. Earnstein and

478
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: his crew passed the bonds along to the fence that

479
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: was organized by Arnold Rothstein and.

480
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 3: This, but I guess it's guaranteed money.

481
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Guaranteed money, and he thought yeah, and he thought all

482
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: these things out. He was so careful. So the bonds

483
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: aren't exactly traceable, but there are a lot of moving

484
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: parts and a lot of peripheral crew members, so pretty

485
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: soon the Feds were on the case. Don't forget all

486
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: as all of this is going on. Rothstein's embroiled in

487
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineteen World series Scam.

488
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got problems, got a lot going on, Judge Kennison,

489
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 4: mountain Land is coming.

490
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: From him exactly. So I won't go into the details

491
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: on that, since I think you should do an episode

492
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: about it. But why haven't I ever I don't know,

493
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: but let's just say there's a lot of heat. Rothstein

494
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: didn't need this. I will say though, that he was

495
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: never officially connected to the Liberty Bonds sets, at least

496
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: during his lifetime. Oh so, law enforcement they started picking

497
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: up members of the crew one by one, and these

498
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: are big dogs, like lawyers and stuff like that. This

499
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: is a high level operation. Nicki wasn't about to get pinched,

500
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: so he went into hiding. And for the most part,

501
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: it looks like he bounced around between Pittsburgh, Cleveland, various

502
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: Canadian cities. But like you know, it was getting too hot.

503
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 4: He didn't He didn't choose to go back to like

504
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: London or Paris. Like he's like, I'll go to Pittsburgh. Yeah, exactly, Pittsburgh.

505
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: Why not? So on May fifteenth, nineteen twenty, Nicki arrived

506
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 2: in New York on the nine am train from Pittsburgh.

507
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: He was driven up to ninetieth Street, where he picked

508
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: up Fanny Brice and his lawyer, William Fallon, who also

509
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: happened to be Arnold Rothstein's lawyer. Then they drove down

510
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: Fifth Avenue, passed through long lines of policemen who were

511
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: gathered for a parade and the car swung past Union Square.

512
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: Nicky tipped his hat to police officials that were gathered

513
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: on the grand stand that was set up so that

514
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: they could watch this parade. Sure, Nicky's like one of

515
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: the most wanted fugitives at this point.

516
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like tip and his cap to the

517
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: the captains of them.

518
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: They drove the car twice around the courthouse.

519
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: Case anyone missed him.

520
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Well, people still aren't recognizing them, right until the Clerk

521
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: of Courts finally sees them. News spreads rapidly that oh

522
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 2: my god, Nicki Earnstein's here. This large crowd gathers. Nicky

523
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: and Fanny get out of the car pose for photographs.

524
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: Then he and Fanny strolled into the DA's office and

525
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: he surrendered. Nicki refused to make any statement to the press.

526
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: I'll talk tomorrow, he said. Fanny said, I'm the happiest

527
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: woman in the world, and then stood their striking poses.

528
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 2: So Nicki was like, I said, he's one of the

529
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: most wanted fugitives in North America. At this point, authorities

530
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: had been tailing Fanny Brice, like searching her home. They

531
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: monitored all her activities, and eventually the Manhattan District attorney

532
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: offered Nicki a deal. If you surrender, we'll give you

533
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: a reduced sentence upon conviction. Wow, they said. His bail

534
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: at seventy five thousand dollars.

535
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm picturing this as like Elliott, young

536
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: Elliott Gould and young Barber STREISSH that's good.

537
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: I love it. I love this movie. So the trial

538
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: they moved it to Washington, d c. Where federal charges

539
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: carried a maximum two year sentence as opposed to the

540
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: harsher penalties under New York State. Despite the defense's efforts,

541
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: Arnstein's convicted of conspiracy to sell stolen securities. He gets

542
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: two years. On May sixteenth, nineteen twenty four, he started

543
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: serving his sentence at Leavenworth Federal Penitential. Fanny was supportive.

544
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: She visited him regularly. She was a ride or di remember,

545
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: and she'd had their second kid. Between his surrender and

546
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: when he actually had to ship off to prison. On

547
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: December twenty second, nineteen twenty five, NICKI got out a

548
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: little early, so time off for good behavior after eighteen

549
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: months of shoveling coal and ashes in the prison power plant.

550
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh is that horrible? That's rough?

551
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: On that air you're breathing.

552
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the headline in the Buffalo Courier read Nicki Arnstein,

553
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: given freedom is Christmas gift. Fanny Bryce believes in Santa Claus. Okay,

554
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: So he was supposed to get charged with defrauding a

555
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: guy in New Jersey out of eighty grand in a

556
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: horse race scheme like the moment he set foot outside

557
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: the prison. But those charges were dropped and that caused

558
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: all this uproar in the press. Let's stop here to

559
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: celebrate his release.

560
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for these crazy kids.

561
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: I maybe listen to some ads, just see what happens.

562
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: Just keep it loose. Back in a flash, Nicki Arnstein,

563
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Burnett, Arnold Rothstein. So Nicki fresh out of Leavenworth,

564
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 2: married to superstar Fanny Brice, two kids. Life is just

565
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: swimming along for the couple, but not for long. So

566
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: they were together for another two years after he got out,

567
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: but then Fanny filed for divorce in nineteen twenty. So well,

568
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: she'd caught him with another woman at a hotel in Chicago.

569
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: According to the Brooklyn Times Union newspaper quote, it was

570
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: Fanny Bryce's remodeled nose which awed her husband Nikki Earnstein

571
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: and induced him to turn to other women, she alleged

572
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: in filing for divorce. What the illustrious actress does not

573
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: regret the employment of plastic surgery, however, and she said

574
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: today because it quote improved my looks so much. Then

575
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: the article goes on, I know you're stun I am.

576
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm like new nose, lose husband.

577
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the article goes on, quote, I still love him,

578
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: Miss Bryce explained, but my new nose caused him to

579
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: develop an inferiority complex. He used to be able to

580
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: joke about my features. When my face was altered, he said,

581
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't his fanny. It was a case of plastic

582
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: surgery coming between us. So she's saying that when she

583
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: got her nose done, Yeah, he lost interest because other women.

584
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: She became too hot and wasn't his fanny.

585
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

586
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: Funny face, Fanny, funny face fanny. Yeah, dude, World War.

587
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: One, the plastic surgery that comes out of fixing those

588
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: guys getting blown to bits. I didn't realize like how

589
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: quickly you know it became an issue. Always think of

590
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: it as like more like something that happens in the

591
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: thirties but in the twenties when there when pop culture

592
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: blows up, that's when it would explode.

593
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 6: And then so that's wild, right, Yeah, that's crazy blaming

594
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: your divorce on your plastic surgery.

595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: Knows that you.

596
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Got you what she thinks is an improvement. She likes

597
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: him and it drives him away.

598
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: And then she doesn't blame him for cheating. She blames

599
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: the nose.

600
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: Nos, but she doesn't regret it. Yeah, it's a very strange.

601
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: Would have been a stronger claim.

602
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: I would go with that. You know what's wilder? That

603
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: is the this exchange in court, the judge asked her

604
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: how she planned to support her two kids without a

605
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: husband and the new nose and the new nose. He's like,

606
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: how how are you a single mother going to support

607
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: these kids? She's like, I work, is what she said.

608
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: And then quote, what is your business or profession? He asked.

609
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: So I think he's a little out of touch because

610
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: Fanny's taken aback. So all she says is actress. She's

611
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: singing like, don't you know who I am?

612
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

613
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know what the nose I don't know.

614
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't recommend He.

615
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: Says, how long have you been engaged in this profession

616
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: and he's asking one of the biggest celebrities at the time.

617
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: She said, oh, judge, about twenty years. And then he said,

618
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 2: do you contemplate any trouble getting engagements? So she said,

619
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: who can tell the fickle public?

620
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 7: You know?

621
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: And she says it laughing, but apparently she was holding

622
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: back tears. The whole thing was just too much. I

623
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: love that the judge didn't care that her husband was

624
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: a convicted felon with no job.

625
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: Totally right, But how is she going to be how are.

626
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: You going to do it?

627
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

628
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: Fantastic. So remember how I said that the liberty bonds

629
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: thing didn't come back on Rothstein while he was alive. Well,

630
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: the brain went to the Great Beyond rather violently in

631
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight, very quickly. Guess it may have nineteen.

632
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: Couldn't even make it to the Wall Street crash. One

633
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: of the people who had.

634
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. May of nineteen twenty nine, Eugene McGhee,

635
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: who was a disbarred lawyer. He got charged with criminally

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: receiving those stolen liberty bonds. This is the offense. He

637
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: testified that the bonds were given to him by Arnold Rothstein,

638
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: whom so McGhee and this guy James Osborne, who was

639
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: the nephew of a former DA. They were on trial

640
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: in connection with the bonds at like one hundred and

641
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars worth of them stolen from a messenger

642
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: from this brokerage firm, Taylor, Bates and Company. So the

643
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: messenger got tried for the theft and was acquitted because

644
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: they realized like, no, he was, he was he was

645
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: a victim of a stick up. Lawyers for the brokers

646
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: asked Nikki Earnstein for help in their search for the

647
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: bonds the messenger that they sent to f and him

648
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: talked with Fanny Brice and she sent her lawyer McGee

649
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: to see what they wanted with Nicky, and McGee's like, yeah,

650
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: I can get you help you get the bonds back,

651
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: and then he sends his associate Osborne to go get him.

652
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: So Osborne gets a sixteen thousand dollars reward that he

653
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: turned over to McGhee, and he got five hundred dollars

654
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: for his part in this whole thing. The broker's lawyers,

655
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: after paying the reward, put the whole matter before the DA.

656
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: Osborne and McGee are indicted. So Fanny took the stand. Yeah,

657
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: she showed up with her current husband, Billy Rose, a songwriter.

658
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So she said that she sent McGee

659
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: to the broker's lawyer on the instruction of Nicky, who

660
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: she had called by long distance to Chicago to say,

661
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, lawyers are looking for you. I mean it

662
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: just gets all, you know, complicated of who owes who money.

663
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: Is she loyal and.

664
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 4: Tries to protect Nikki at this point or is she

665
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: kind of like a hurt and wants to just get

666
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: clear of the matter.

667
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: She just says what she knows.

668
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: She just says what she knows. Yeah, she's not really

669
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 2: turning it up to kind of get.

670
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: Him Busted's not doing that.

671
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, a few days so McGee, he's on the stand, right,

672
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: he says. Quote. A few days later, I went to

673
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: see Arnold Rothstein and asked him if he would try

674
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: to locate the securities. He replied he wouldn't touch the

675
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: business for a million dollars. He said the matter was

676
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: sure to come before the district attorney, and he said

677
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: he could see what he would do. A few days later,

678
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: he told me he thought he had a line on

679
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: the securities, So poor Rostin. So McGhee said that Rostein

680
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: finally let him know that he'd bought the bonds back.

681
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: McGee got them from Rothstein, gave him to Osmore and

682
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: blah blah blah goes back and forth. So had Rothstein

683
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: been alive, this would have been a very sticky bad situation.

684
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the country.

685
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: But I also believe that if he'd still been alive,

686
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: these guys wouldn't have said a word. That's what my

687
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: thought is, Yeah, that they're only talking.

688
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: Because because he's yeah, you can pin it all on him.

689
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and around this time.

690
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: Right now to make him the mastermind.

691
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And he's the big bad in all of

692
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: these stories, like he hovered over as the big bath.

693
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: It's really interesting to see that that thread in all

694
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: the newspaper pieces. So what's Nikki up to right now?

695
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: God knows what. So he pops up in the papers,

696
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: but it's pretty much for always not being charged in

697
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: connection with some crime like all of his associates would be.

698
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: But he was throw his name into every piece. And

699
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he was like good at getting

700
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: out of jams or if he wasn't running with that

701
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: crowd anymore. Things changed in nineteen thirty. That's when it

702
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: came out that the year before, in nineteen twenty nine,

703
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: he had remarried. The Brooklyn Daily Times ran a story

704
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: proclaiming Nikki Earnstein, who combines all the tender arts of

705
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: love with the more practical art of winning huge stakes

706
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: in Transatlantic liner crooked poker games, has been married to

707
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: a two million dollar heiress since last fall, it was

708
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: reported today, Arenstein, one time husband of Fanny Brice, the

709
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: Broadway stage favorite, married Missus Isabelle McCullough, formerly the wife

710
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: of a Chicago promoter, in Quebec on August eighteenth, according

711
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: to The Daily News. At the time, the News said

712
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: he paid more than one thousand dollars to suppress reports

713
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: of the marriage. Now comes the word that the smiling

714
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Nicky is married to Missus McCullough, whose father left her

715
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: two million dollars. They had met again in Florida, where

716
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: Nicky learned that Missus McCullough had divorced her husband, The

717
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Coupler living in the exclusive Sutton Place district where Anne

718
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Morgan and the Vanderbilts make their homes.

719
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So he's still finessing widows.

720
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he upgraded his circumstances. He took his

721
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: old skills.

722
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah he still got it.

723
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: You know you don't he don't forget how.

724
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 6: To ride a bike apparently not so backwards Penny Farthing

725
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 6: all during the thirties, like he tried to straighten up

726
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 6: and fly right. Okay, So he's got money now, why

727
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 6: he looked for legitimate work, Like he dried his hand

728
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 6: at advertising in Manhattan.

729
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: He tried to run an air conditioning business in La Okay,

730
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: but like you know, it's the depression.

731
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the time, not the time.

732
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: And he's like he's married to an heiress and they

733
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: live in a mansion in Pasadena. Like a man's got

734
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: to have something to do.

735
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: All day, right, he gets bored.

736
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: So then in nineteen thirty nine a movie came out,

737
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Rose of Washington Square.

738
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: Never heard of it, me neither.

739
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 2: It starred Alice Fay. Oh I love her, Tyrone Power,

740
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: I know him and al Jolson.

741
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: Okay, no, nothing against that.

742
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: I know there's all that the blackface, but yeah, he's

743
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: a back of an entertainer, I'll get So.

744
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: It takes place nineteen twenties New York City, and it's

745
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: the story of a singer named Rose Sergeant and her

746
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: rocky relationship with a con artist named Barton DeWitt Clinton, Oh,

747
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: and his criming threatens her success in the Zigfield Follies. Yeah,

748
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: does that sound familiar?

749
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: Totally?

750
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: So Rose. Also, Rose of Washington Square was one of

751
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: Fanny Bryce's signature songs.

752
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's just Fanny Bryson.

753
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicky's story livid, livid, he sued twentieth Century Fox.

754
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: He said it was a violation of his right of privacy.

755
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: He wanted four hundred thousand dollars in damages. And he's like, yeah,

756
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: you know what, I have been convicted of crimes. I've

757
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 2: done two stints in prison. But at that point, he said,

758
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: he was leading quote an exemplary, honorable and righteous life,

759
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: remarried and established a home. And so he said that

760
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: with the production and the release of the movie, that

761
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: memories had been revived in the public mind and now

762
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: he didn't have the like quiet, secluded life that he

763
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: had really carefully crafted. He said it wasn't just that

764
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: the movie was based on his life, but then it

765
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: went out of its way to make him look like

766
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: quote a thief, a coward, a weekly, a confidence man,

767
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: and a swindler, and besides depicts him as a faithless

768
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: and deceitful husband, which I mean, yeah, I mean.

769
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 4: I think he just didn't like the portrayal, but maybe not.

770
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 4: The details are the problem. He was like, I did

771
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 4: all that stuff. That's not how I.

772
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Did tyrone powers.

773
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: I did not harrow the whole time.

774
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: So he wanted one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

775
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: violation of the right suprivacy, one hundred and fifty thousand

776
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: for libel, and one hundred thousand for use of material

777
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: from his life without permission.

778
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: Ten thousand dollars for the constant, sweaty face performance of

779
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: tyrone power.

780
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: He also he also wanted an injunction to prevent the

781
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: further showing of the picture. He wanted an accounting to

782
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: figure out how much he was entitled to to recover profits.

783
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: Oh, he's smart, he knows Hollywood accounting. You've got to

784
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: break open.

785
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: All that right, this huge suit he settled out of

786
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: court for twenty five thousand dollars.

787
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: Wow, he's like the job. Yeah.

788
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: So Fanny Brice, as I mentioned, she passed away in

789
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one, just Shy a sixty years old. She'd

790
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: been living in Holby Hills, LA. So they're not too

791
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: far from each other. Rows of Washington Square wasn't Nicky's

792
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: only depiction on the silver screen really. In nineteen sixty four,

793
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: the stage musical Funny Girl open non Broadway and it

794
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: was produced by Fanny and Nikki's son in law, Ray Stark.

795
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: He was married to their daughter Francis, so their other kid, William,

796
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: He went on to become this really well regarded abstract painter.

797
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: So anyway, Funny chirst ray Stark. Initially he set up

798
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: an authorized biography of Fanny Brice. She had recorded for

799
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: him all these anecdotes and stories that are like wow,

800
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: and it was written up, but she didn't like the

801
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: end result, so Stark he had to kill the project.

802
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: That cost him a ton of money. And then he

803
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: went through eleven different screenwriters. That's how it goes, trying

804
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: to find someone who could produce a screenplay that would

805
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: work for everyone involved.

806
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: Where is the magic?

807
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: Yes, So they finally landed on one that worked. Columbia

808
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Pictures offered him four hundred thousand dollars plus a percentage

809
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: of the gross for the script that's huge.

810
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

811
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 2: But then Mary Martin, actress, singer, Rogers and hammerste news.

812
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: She suggested it could be done as a musical on

813
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: the stage, not a movie. So Stark goes to famous

814
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: composer and lyricist Stephen Sondheim to compose the score. Someheim

815
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: apparently said, I don't want to do the Life of

816
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: Fanny Bryce with Mary Martin. She's not Jewish. You need

817
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: someone ethnic for the part. True, so Martin dipped out.

818
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: There was a lot of back and forth. Anne Bancroft

819
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: was attached to it for a while and that didn't

820
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: work out. They were going to go with Edie Gourmet,

821
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: but she wouldn't do it. She would involving. She would

822
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: only do it if Steve Lawrence was kind for real.

823
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: She was not.

824
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: She was like, I won't do Steve. Steve's got to

825
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: be nicky Steve.

826
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: They said, okay, absolutely not, And they tried Carol Burnette

827
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: and she said, I'd love to do it, but what

828
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: you need is a Jewish girl.

829
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm not Jewish.

830
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So finally they called in the big guns. Before

831
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: she was the big Guns, Barbara Streish girl boom so

832
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: In the musical, Nicky is found guilty of embezzlement. He's

833
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: never been married to anyone but Fanny, and he serves

834
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: only one prison sentence.

835
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: You No, they simplified the ner.

836
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but play is a huge success and then it

837
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: gets made into a movie in nineteen sixty eight with

838
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 2: Babs and then Omar Shariff as Nicky.

839
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 6: Wow.

840
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: You we will never know what Nicky thought about being

841
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: played by Omar Shariff. I would say it's a flattering honor.

842
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would tell.

843
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: Because Nicky passed away October second, nineteen sixty five in

844
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: La Buried under the name Jules Arnold. Yeah, So'sariah's choice,

845
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, Yeah, his choice. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

846
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: Wow?

847
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 4: So this was somewhat responsible for barbar streith And becoming

848
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 4: a film star. Yes, I love that there's a direct

849
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: Fanny Bryce to Barbara Streisand.

850
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: Line funny girl.

851
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean like that that she could propel

852
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: barbar Streisand's success after like, you know, how far?

853
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: How about a direct line from Arnold Rothstein to Barbara

854
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: streisand Rothstein to Omar Sharif.

855
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: Yes, there's the there's a lot of direct lines in

856
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 3: this one. We're connecting threadsdays. Normally I never can.

857
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: Nickle plated penny farthing to Steven's. Sometimes I can do

858
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: this all day. So good at this.

859
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous take away, Elizabeth?

860
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: That I was so tickled to have stumbled upon something

861
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: that had all the things you love.

862
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: I dude down to the nickel plated farthing.

863
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: And I like that I got to tell you instead

864
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: of you telling me, so thank you. You know what.

865
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: I think we need those as a talkback, David.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, I.

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Speaker 2: Went gee.

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Speaker 8: Dark Becka here, happy to report that I had a

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Speaker 8: I still like being on the dark side, though, because

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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