1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: If you have heard about the murder of Jessica Chambers, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do not miss the new docuseries on Oxygen. It's the 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: who is burned alive and the story of the man 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: accused of this heinous crime. Is that the right guy 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: And how does such a horrific crime occur? With more 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: questions than answers, this is the case that has captured 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and leaves a small 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: town divided. This is a must see TV event. It 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: features exclusive interviews that take you inside the investigation as 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a search for answers and justice goes on Unspeakable Crime, 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: The Killing of Jessica Chambers, Saturdays at seven six Central 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: on Oxygen, the new network for Crime. Five Christmases have 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: gone by and Flora Malone hasn't celebrated one of them. 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't celebrate at all. I don't go by gifts, 17 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't put up a tree. Flora can't bring herself 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: to enjoy the holidays because her joy was stolen when 19 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: someone murdered her daughter Vanessa. Who wants I don'tlive their children. Vanessa, 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: who everyone affectionately called Honey, was shot to death in 21 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve. De Cab police say the eighteen year 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: old walked in on an armed robbery at a Stone 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: Mountain apartment complex. Detectives believe she interrupted three to six 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: armed robbers who had tied up two people staying there. 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank you for 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: being with us. When I hear the story of Honey Malone, 27 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: which has haunted me now for years, it sends a 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: chill down my arms. And I'll tell you why. This 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: beautiful young girl is so beloved by her family, by 30 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: her mother Flora, her sister Cassandra, and so many others, 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: And she reminds me of my little girl Lucy. That day, 32 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: Honey's mom, Flora, picked her up, her teen girl from work. Yes, 33 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: she was working. She lived with her mom, of course, 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: in Stone Mountain, Georgia at the time. They headed home, 35 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: and then, like so many other teens do, she wanted 36 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: to go out with her friends. Well that was fine, 37 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: everything was fine. So she's going to go out for 38 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: just a little while with her teen girl friends. But 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: she never comes home again, joining me right now is 40 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: Honey's mother, Flora Malone and her sister Cassandra also with me, 41 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: veteran prosecutor out of the California jurisdiction, Wendy Patrick l 42 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: a psychoanalyst renowned in her field. Dr Bethany Marshall, director 43 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum, and Crime 44 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan. First to you, 45 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: Miss Malone, I want to thank you for being with us. 46 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: And I know how much telling Honey's story dredges up 47 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: a lot of pain. Why are you doing it? Nancy? 48 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us because opinion, the more we 49 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: can to her name and thanks the story out there, 50 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: the better chances of we have of having somebody comes 51 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: forward finally and saying what they know on her face 52 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: because it's just the story that they told is so 53 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: bizarre to it can't be true. Well, I thought it 54 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: was bizzarre to Miss Malone. We are talking about Flora 55 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Malone's be beutiful girl. I wish you could see a 56 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: picture of her that I'm looking at right now, Beautiful 57 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: curls cascading down her uh down below her shoulders, framing 58 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: her face just really classic, beautiful features. Vanessa Malone nicknamed 59 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: Honey gorgeous and gone flora. That evening when you let 60 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Honey go out with her teen friends, he thought nothing 61 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: of it, correct effect, was tired and wouldn't be gone 62 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: very long at all. What happened that evening after she 63 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: walked out the door, what happened next? Well, there is 64 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: she came right back in like two minutes later, and 65 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: she came all the way around to my room and said, Mom, 66 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: I really love you. Man, I love you too. She said, 67 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. And then who also with me? 68 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Is Vanessa Malone? No this Honey, Cassandra Kennedy, her sister, Cassandra. 69 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: What do you recall of that evening? Um? Well, I 70 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: was at work all day that day. Um, when I 71 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: got back home, I took my shower as normal, was 72 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: about to get in bed, and I get a hysterical 73 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: phone call from my mom. Um, I mean totally hysterical. 74 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, Mom, was wrong? Was wrong? Was wrong? She's like, 75 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: I think my worst nightmare has happen. And I'm like, 76 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Like what do you mean? What 77 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: do you mean? And she's like, um, Honey got shot? 78 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: And I said, what do you mean she got shot? Mom, 79 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: tell me, like what happened, when happened, But she was 80 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: crying so hard that all I could do was just say, okay, 81 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: my mom, on my way. At the time, I lived 82 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: thirty five minutes thirty to thirty five minutes away from her, 83 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: and I up in the car. I sped straight over there, 84 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: praying like, please, guy, don't let it be honeyed. Please 85 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: don't let it Vanessa, Please don't let it be Vanessa. 86 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: And I get there. Um, we walked through to where 87 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: she was, well the apartments where she was, and it's 88 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: taped off, and we're just sitting there waiting. Mom said 89 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: that the police hadn't told her anything, hadn't said that 90 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: it was her anything yet, so we're just kind of 91 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: standing there waiting. I probably arrived. Maybe uh, maybe we'll 92 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: just say midnight. I got there and somewhere between even 93 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: five and midnight, and we sat there on the curb 94 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: like praying it wasn't Vanessa, and unfortunately kind of praying 95 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: that it would just be a look alike. I know 96 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: that sucks to other families, but we were just hoping 97 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: that it wasn't her, and we um, we sat on 98 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the curb, like thinking like if it is her, what 99 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: are we going to do? Like it was just really 100 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: really sad and we just were just sitting there, so 101 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: we didn't get a confirmation. Hold on, just a moment, 102 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: hold on, just a moment. That night started off so 103 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: innocently joining me, Cheryl McCallum, Director of the Cold Case 104 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Research Institute. Honey comes home from work. She's a teen girl, 105 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: but she has a job, and her mom said that 106 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: even though she was tired, it was very odd that 107 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, having gone from very tired, she 108 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: wanted to go out with her her friends and is 109 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: firmly convinced that someone texted or called and lured Honey 110 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Malone Vanessa out of their home. CHERRYL. McCullum, you have 111 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: been on the case from the get go. Tell me 112 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: from the beginning your analysis. Nacy is exactly what you 113 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: just said. She was tired, she was going to hang out. 114 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Suddenly she got some message or a phone call someone 115 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and changed her mind and wanted to go over to 116 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: this apartment where her friends work. And the thing that 117 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: sticks out for me is that the family knows so 118 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: little and some of the basic information that you would 119 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: give Nancy. Both you and I will tell people we 120 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: started our careers really as victim advocate. That's what we've 121 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: been fighting for from the beginning. And you've got a 122 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: family here that doesn't know the caliber of the weapon, 123 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: whether or not police have the weapons. They've never seen 124 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: crime scene photographs, they don't have an autopsy report. They 125 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: know so little, it believed me. Well, Cheryl, I don't 126 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: understand how there cannot be an autopsy report. Well, I 127 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: didn't say there wasn't an We were told we couldn't 128 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: get it. Why they said that we had to wait 129 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: until the case was songs. We can't even hear a 130 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: nine one one com We have asked several people. We 131 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: have even requested it through the name on one official 132 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: forms in the everything, and they said sure until they 133 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: saw the name, and then they said not in her case. 134 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: And my question, did you hear nine one one calls 135 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: all the time? Yeah, don't have to be You're you're 136 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: absolutely right. Well, there are many theories out there as 137 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: to why the family is not able to get even 138 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: the most elementary information about Vanessa's murderer. Listen to this. 139 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: Cops believe Honey was killed when she unwittingly walked in 140 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: on an armed robbery of a suspected drug den. But 141 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: Honey's family wonders, is there something more? Why not kill 142 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: all the witnesses? What's the difference? If you've got one 143 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: body on you, you might as well just take them 144 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: while out. Flora and Honey's sister Cassandra believe Honey was 145 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: lured to the apartment to silence her. Why don't you 146 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: believe that she walked into a robbery? I believe that 147 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: they thought she knew something or saw some then and 148 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: was worried that she was gonna tell. She wouldn't just 149 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: walk into a kicked in door to see what happened. 150 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: That's not her From my friends that crime watch Daily 151 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: Murder of Young Girls. Another young teen girl, Jessica Chambers. 152 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: If you have heard about her horrific death, you do 153 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: not want to miss the new docuseries on Oxygen, The 154 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: true story of a teen girl, a cheerleader in Mississippi, 155 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: burned alive. The story of the man now accused of 156 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: the crime. Is he the right man? Is the right 157 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: guy on trial? Who is he? And who is Jessica Chambers? 158 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: How does such a horrific crime even occur with more 159 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: questions than answers. It is a case that has captured 160 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: national headlines, taken over social media, and still leaves a 161 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: small town divided. I must see TV event Unspeakable Crime, 162 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: the killing of Jessica Chambers Saturday's seven sixth Central on 163 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: Oxygen the new network for crying because I'm the big 164 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: sister and I just felt like I was supposed to 165 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: always be able to protect her honey. Sister Cassandra Kennedy 166 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: is also heartbroken and feels a sense of guilt, even 167 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: though she knows there was nothing she could do that 168 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: was my baby sister. With each holiday season that passes, 169 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: the family can't help but mourn and pray for closure. 170 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Mom hasn't been able to celebrate any holiday because of this. 171 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: This family says they lost their ability to be happy 172 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: the moment they were robbed of their loved one. We 173 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: just wanted justice. We just want to know who did 174 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: it and why they did it. The pain of losing 175 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: someone you love so much changes your life forever, but 176 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: now that pain is topped off with the questions the 177 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: wonder who did this to my little girl? Who did 178 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: this to my sister? And getting no answers. I am 179 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: talking about the murder of a beautiful young teen girl, 180 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: Vanessa Malone Honey mal Own, her mother, Flora, and sister 181 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Cassandra with us today to Wendy Patrick, veteran California prosecutor. Wendy, 182 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: I understand how some evidence is withheld from the public 183 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: but not from the family. Wendy, Yeah, you know, Nancy. 184 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: First of all, my prayers are with you, the two 185 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: family members we have on the phone. I mean, God 186 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: bless you and your resilience. UM, it's so frustrating in 187 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: so many cases that more evidence isn't shared. We've got 188 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: to believe there's some reason for that, but again, it 189 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: would be nice to know what that reason is, to 190 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: be able to understand perhaps the risks of compromising the 191 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: integrity of an ongoing investigation. That's often the explanation. Because 192 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: one of the things that maybe it's heartening in all 193 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: of this is cold cases are solved more and more 194 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: every year because while memories do not improve with age, 195 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: technology does. Forensics does. And I know we've got a 196 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: panel of experts on the line with us that can 197 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: attest to this fact. So it's too bad that it's 198 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: not more of a collapse wort of effort in terms 199 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: of sharing at least with the two of you and 200 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: with other family members. But I really hope that the 201 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: reason for that, whatever it is, is in search of 202 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: and in pursuit of finding justice sooner rather than later, 203 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: to get these answers to the very important questions that 204 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: you have voiced. But when I find it very odd 205 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: that the police and prosecutors are not sharing the information 206 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: with the family, I understand not making it public, but 207 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: why not let the family come to the police station 208 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and give them the information. I don't understand that, Wendy. Yeah, Nancy, 209 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: that's It's a question that I've heard from victims all 210 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: over the country, and the answers are different in different jurisdictions, 211 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: And I wish I knew what the answer was in 212 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: this particular case. You know, we want to We hope 213 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: there's a good reason for it, But not knowing what 214 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that reason is, I understand, can be heartbreaking. Nancy. I'm 215 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: with people, what could a possible reason be. The biggest 216 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: possible reason would be something having to do with not 217 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: wanting information to get into the public realm, even through 218 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: a leak, in order to make sure that they're able 219 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: to get the bad guys to pursue leads they have. 220 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, tips come in on times like this continuously 221 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: and on an ongoing basis, and one of the things 222 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: they always want to do is surprised the perpetrators enabled 223 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: to another way. Surprised. All right, because it happened in 224 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: the two thousand and twelve, everybody will be surprised. Let 225 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: me just put that tip line out there. Four zero 226 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: four or five seven seven eight four seven seven, Repeat 227 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: for zero four five seven seven eight four seven seven. 228 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I want to talk very quickly about her cell phone, 229 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: because shortly after Vanessa left the home, her mom says, 230 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: she hears what she thought were fireworks nearby. They live 231 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: in apartment complex, and she picks up the phone and 232 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: she tries Honey's cell phone. You know, just a natural 233 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: instinct when I hear an ambulance, I know it's crazy. 234 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: I meant they call people I know, make sure they're okay. Well, 235 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Flora called her daughter Vanessa. No answer. Now, at first 236 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: she didn't think anything of it because it sounded like 237 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: the cell phone was turned off, But then she saw 238 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: emergency vehicles and she called again. Honey still didn't pick 239 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: up and this time, Mom, deep inside knew something was wrong. 240 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: But listen, one troubling question. Why was Honey's cell phone 241 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: found far away from the murder scene. We tracked her 242 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: cell phone after the murder um to a location about 243 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: a half mile away, where it stayed there until it died. 244 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: So how did Honey's cell phone end up half a 245 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: mile away during the incident? Why would they take her 246 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: cell phone? They've already killed her. What do they need 247 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: her cell phone for? Thinking that maybe she could call 248 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: for help. No, they're just easy to resell on the street. 249 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: That's where our friends that crime watched daily. But her 250 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: phone was not resold on the street, so that was 251 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: not the motive for taking her cell phone. Joining us now, 252 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Eagan Lee, where 253 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: was the cell phone found? What can you tell me 254 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: about the cell phone? Well, Antia was found in a 255 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: wooded area not too far away from where Honey was 256 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: found in the apartment. And you're right, it was never resold. 257 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: The police found it. I don't think the family ever 258 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: got the phone back, and there's been no explanation as 259 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: to why it was found there, aside from the officer 260 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: saying that it was probably going to be resold and 261 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: something happened and maybe somebody got win of the crime 262 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: and just ditched it. But other than that, there's there's 263 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: no explanation. You know what's interesting to miss Malone, this 264 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: is Honey's mother. How long after she left the home 265 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: did you hear those fireworks as you thought they were. 266 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly. I'm from think that it was 267 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: like wow, okay for me. For me, that's quite the coincidence. 268 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Research Institute, That is quite 269 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: the coincidence. She leaves home and within twenty minutes gunfire occurs, 270 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: she's dead immediately. Then her phone is found nearly a 271 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: mile away. Nathee Lee Egan and I have walked that scene. 272 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: So we started at the condominium where Honey lived, and 273 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: we walked the track that she would have taken to 274 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: this apartment. Ten minutes is about right, maybe if she 275 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: stopped to seek to one other person. But this happened 276 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: very very quickly. And again for me, what's troubling is 277 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: the cell phone obviously was not so lynn. It was 278 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: thrown out of the car to get rid of it 279 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't be found with it, and again the 280 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: family doesn't know. They haven't been shown. Is the take 281 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: message these to the calls? Y'all know these people. They 282 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: haven't been able to cross checks and when one call 283 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: to say hey we know that guy, he doesn't even 284 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: sound upset or nervous or you know, asking for help, 285 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: they would be able to fill in some gaps here. Well, 286 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: my question is was the phone mind for information? Do 287 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: we know about that? We don't know. The family knows nothing. 288 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Nothing has been shared with them. They know the phone 289 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: was found approximately half a mile away. They don't know 290 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: what's in the phone. And let me just say this, 291 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: I agree with the prosecutor. The integrity of the case 292 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: is paramount. My concern is the only term that Flora 293 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: and Cassandra have been able to see a crime scene 294 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: photograph is on PROBA Watch Daily because it was shared 295 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: with them on TV, the only time that they have 296 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: seen crime scene photos. And I find it very curious, indeed, 297 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: that TV producers can get crime scene photos but the 298 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: family cannot do. Dr Bethany Marshall, renowned l a psychoanalyst, 299 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: what does that kind of doubt the not knowing due 300 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: to the human psyche not knowing ambiguity is one of 301 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: the worst things that you can expose a human being to, 302 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: especially if that person is anxious, because when we're faced 303 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: with an ambiguous situation, we fill in the worst. We 304 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: always fill in the blanks with the worst. So Flora 305 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: and Cassandra have nothing to hang their thoughts on. They 306 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: have no way to think about this, They have no 307 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: way to know what happened to Honey in her final moments. 308 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's so sad because that cell phone 309 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: is a treasure trove of information, and Cassandra and Flora 310 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: could help the police. They could possibly identify the perpetrator. 311 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: They perhaps even know who lured Honey over there. But 312 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: they're not being brought into the loops so they can 313 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: help with the case. And you know, they want to 314 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: know what happened to Honey in her final moments. Um 315 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: like the panel's been talking about, she came home from work, 316 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: she was tired, she was going to stay in. A 317 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: phone call came through. She wanted to go out. That's 318 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: very suspicious. Ten to fifteen minutes later, her mother hears 319 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: sounds that sounds like popping, sounds like fireworks. Flora wants 320 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to know what happened to her daughter? Wouldn't you want 321 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: to know? I mean, this is to me, this is 322 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: unconscionable from the from the standpoint that the investigation I 323 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: think is slowed down by not having information from the family, 324 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: and also that Flora and Cassandra are now re victimized 325 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: by this ambiguity. Cops believe Honey was killed when she 326 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: unwittingly walked in on an armed robbery of a suspected 327 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: drug den, but Honey's family wonders, is there something more? 328 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: Why not kill all the witnesses? What's the difference? If 329 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: you've got one body on you, you might as well 330 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: just take them while out. Flora and honey sister Cassandra 331 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: believe Honey was lured to the apartment to silence her. 332 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: Why don't you believe that she walked into a robbery? 333 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: I believe that they thought she knew something or saw 334 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: something and was worried that she was gonna tell. She 335 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't just walk into a kicked in door to see 336 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: what happened. That's not her Our friends that crime watch daily. 337 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: What happened to Vanessa Honey Malone with me, her mother, 338 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: Flora and sister Cassandra along with Wendy Patrick, Dr. Bethany Marshall, 339 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, and Lee Egan from Crime online dot Com 340 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: tipline four zero four five seven seven eight four seven 341 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: seven to Flora Honey's mother that evening okay. They finally, 342 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: around two fifteen in the morning officially identify the victim 343 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: to be Vanessa Malone. Detected us from Decab County were 344 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: assigned to investigate. They start interviewing friends and family and 345 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: during that time, two of Honey's friends, who were renting 346 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: the apartment where Honey was killed, tell police they were 347 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: victims of a home invasion. Now, according to police, the 348 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: couple claimed that three to six men dressed in black 349 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: yielding guns, kicked down the door, tie them up and 350 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: forced them into the bathroom and while they're ran second 351 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the house. Police say their theory is Honey stumbled in 352 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: on the armed robbery, she tried to run, and she 353 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: was shot for the first time. The pair in the 354 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: bathroom said they heard screaming, then the sound of a 355 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: gun shot. Now, according to what we have learned through 356 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: the Decab County Public Information Officer, Honey was shot once 357 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: in the back, then brought to a back bedroom and 358 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: put in a closet, where she was shot for a 359 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: second time in the chest. Now, her so called friends 360 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: go on to tell police they hear the mask instruders leave, 361 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: that they waited a few moments and untied each other 362 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: and got free. Hump robbery gone wrong theory, you know, 363 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Sheryl mcclemb But I don't understand is what's their motivation 364 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: to kill Vanessa alone but leave the other two people 365 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: tied up in the bathroom so loosely they could untie 366 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: each other. Explain why her and not them? That's a 367 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: million dollar question, nas, because she was the least threatening 368 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: person in that room. She was the only person rob 369 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: her phone was the only thing taken. And for me, 370 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: when you get to that apartment and you have a 371 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: gun shot, the number of people that could have heard 372 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: that are twenty fifty. I mean you're talking about you know, 373 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: apartments in front and on each side and in the back. 374 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: But they don't run immediately after shooting her the first time. 375 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: They drag her through the living room, into the master bedroom, 376 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: into the closet. They shoot her a second time. Then 377 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: they rifle through her pockets to make sure they have 378 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: her cell phone and again, why she Yeah, I don't 379 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: I don't get it the significance of she's the only 380 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: one rob It appears to me she was targeted. Well, 381 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: I agree to Wendy Patrick, California veteran felony prosecutor. What 382 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: is the significance, What is the motive to shoot her 383 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: not once, but twice and hide her in the closet 384 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: when the other people in the home, who were ostensibly 385 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: the home invasion targets, they don't get robbed. If anybody 386 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: saw the purpose face Uh, those two man to live. 387 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: They were tied up so loosely they could untie each other. 388 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: Why did they live? They were not robbed? And she 389 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: was called over to the apartment, she was killed and 390 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: somebody took her cell phone. Yeah, I think the instincts 391 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that I'm hearing voiced by some of my colleagues on 392 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: the panel are right on the money that it almost 393 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: looks like there at least was this belief that she 394 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: knew something. You know, when you look at somebody being targeted, 395 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: like you say, over others who may have witnessed the 396 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: same set of facts. Couple that with the taking of 397 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: the cell phone mistakenly or truthfully, there was some fact 398 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: or circumstance that perhaps incriminated somebody else that they thought 399 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: she knew. You know, you worry, what was it? Mistaken identity? 400 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: Was it maybe somebody thought it was Honey that knew something, 401 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: when actually it was somebody else. These are the kinds 402 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: of answers that normally good, oh, good old fashioned questioning 403 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: of witnesses on earth. And you know, we don't know 404 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: that that's not still taking place, or that somebody won't 405 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: come forward even though I know it's been a number 406 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: of years and reveal that information. Because you're right, it 407 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: certainly does seem like above other witnesses that were left 408 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: alive easily able to untie each other, that Heiney seems 409 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: to have been targeted over the others. You know, Dr 410 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Have you ever ever heard me deliver a 411 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: quote such as poetry ever? Have you ever? Yes? No? Yes, no? 412 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Actually when did you hear me say a piece of poetry? 413 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: Because I never have on air? Really, I'm going to 414 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to refer the question not a poem. Not 415 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: a poem? Okay, okay, Now I want to tell you something. 416 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: Shortly after my fiance was murdered, I was trying to. 417 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: I dropped out of school, as you know, and my 418 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: life as I knew it ended, But I had to 419 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: go back and finish because I decided to go to 420 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: law school to be a prosecutor, and as part of 421 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: me finishing up, I didn't have far to go. I 422 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: had to finish up one English literature to class and 423 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: I very rarely, if ever, reopen my literature books because 424 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: it's just a part of my life. I had to 425 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: give up, and it hurts me. Actually, it makes me 426 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: sad to go back and look at it. But I 427 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: remember this one poem has stuck with me all these years, 428 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: and it was called hap like Happenstance, and it was 429 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: by Thomas Hardy. When I read this poem in school, 430 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: I had to get up and leave the classroom. It's 431 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: very short and it goes if some vengeful God would 432 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: call to me from the sky and laugh and say, 433 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: thou suffering thing, your sorrow is my ecstasy, Your love's 434 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: loss is my profiting, then I would bear it. I 435 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: would clench myself and die still by the sense of 436 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: anger and merited, eased that a God stronger than me 437 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: had willed me. The tears I shed but not so 438 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: how it arrives. It's joy Lie slain Um blooms the 439 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: best hope ever sown. Casualty obstructs the sun and rain, 440 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: and what it says is that there's no rhyme or reason, 441 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: that things just happen for no reason, for a happenstance, 442 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: and that threw me over the edge that my life 443 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: was ruined. Keith was murdered, His family's life was ruined. 444 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: On her deathbed twenty years later, his mother was having 445 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: memories of him for what no rhyme happenstance. And I 446 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: want to ask you in this case, the family is 447 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: saying this wasn't just random. We don't accept that. Are 448 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: they wrong because I don't think they're wrong? Or are 449 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: they just searching for some reason to make sense of 450 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: it because they don't think they're wrong, because this does 451 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: not make sense. I don't think this has happened stance. 452 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: I think the fact that she was tired, that her 453 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: phone rang, she went straight to the apartment. Ten to 454 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, she's dead. She was lured there. And 455 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: the senseless part is I imagine these five or six 456 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: men dressed in black, dramatic, seemingly allegedly ramsacking this apartment, 457 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: tying up two other victims, who who unleashed themselves so 458 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: easily tells me that they wanted Honey over there. They 459 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: wanted to kill her. Her life meant nothing to them. 460 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: But what does an eighteen year old girl really know? 461 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: That's what's so sad. I can't imagine that whatever they 462 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: think she knew that she really knew at all. She's 463 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: a child, she was working, she was living with her mother. 464 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: She was beautiful. Nancy, did you see the photos of her? 465 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean I was looking at they break my heart. 466 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, earlier, when I was asking you about trying 467 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: to make sense a violent crime, I think I heard 468 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: either Cassandra or Flora saying something, ladies, which one of 469 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: you were talking that m jump hand here. I know 470 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: somebody had to have opened the door to let her in. 471 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: So if they were really being robbed, why would a 472 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: robber let them let her in? That doesn't make sense. 473 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Vanessa Malone, called Honey by family and friends, 474 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: was shot several times after police say she interrupted an 475 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: armed robbery at this apartment complex. This homicide is our 476 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: top priority in the office right now. We're working at 477 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: every different angle possible. We really need help from the community. 478 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: Detective Lynn Schuller says, Honey Malone walked in on four 479 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: to six men who tied up three people inside it, 480 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: and we're armed with semi automatic weapons. And the three 481 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: victims that we had tied up in the bathroom all 482 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: heard her come in and then they heard the shots. 483 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: So it appears that she was just at the wrong 484 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: place at the wrong time. Oh man, how many times 485 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: have I heard wrong place, wrong time? You're hearing that 486 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: from Fox five Atlanta reporter Julia Reynolds trying to get 487 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. To Lee Egan, joining me 488 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, give me a recap 489 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,959 Speaker 1: for those just joining us. Well, Honey Malone, eighteen year 490 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: old teen girl goes over to a friend's house in 491 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: October two thousand and twelve, and as soon as she 492 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: walks in the door, she shot and the I think 493 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: it was the back and then they pull her into 494 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: the closet of the master bedroom shoot her again in 495 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: the chest, killing her and leave it. Just you know, Cheryl, 496 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop saying over and over it doesn't make sense, 497 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: because you know, I can say it a million times. 498 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: It's not going to change anything. I used to say 499 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: to defense large, you know, you say it over and 500 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: over again, like that's going to change something. It's not. 501 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: But I'll say one last time. It doesn't make sense. 502 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: And I think it was Flora, Vanessa's mother just said, 503 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: why with the robbers open the door for her? I mean, 504 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: in that configuration, I'm pretty sure that there was a 505 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: back door. Why would they open the door for a 506 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: witness if there were a home invasion, Why didn't they 507 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: steal anything other than Vanessa's cell phone? The entire story 508 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: does not make sense, and I'd be very curious. Curious, indeed, 509 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum is to where these so called friends are 510 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: now exactly, Nancy. One other thing that is really pertinent 511 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: about that scene. It appears that one of the perpetrators 512 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: was also hit with a bullet and one of the 513 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: witnesses saw one of the perpetrators helping another one down 514 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: the steps and into a car. There's blood, there's blood 515 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: evidence outside that cab. County collected it came back not matching. Honey, 516 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: that means we have their DNA, So we get what 517 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: we are begging for is has that been put into 518 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: coded Could we our saild hey for FATO type to 519 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: get a look at who this person is. Wendy Patrick, 520 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: California Prosecutor, please explain what codus is. Well, we have 521 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: a system, thankfully, it's getting better every year where you 522 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: can actually input DNA to see if you get what 523 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: we call hits matches with other cases with other suspects. 524 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons, as my colleagues on the 525 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: panel no that and you know as well, Nancy, that 526 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: we take DNA from people when they're arrested. So it's 527 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: one of those systems that it is excellent for tying suspects, 528 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: particularly unknown suspects, to other cases and for identifying suspects. 529 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: So you're right, anytime you have a case where there's 530 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: DNA collected, that's the first thing you want to know. Now, 531 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: of course you hope that there are samples from other 532 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: case is to compare them with If they're not, then unfortunately, 533 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: it's far more difficult to use that DNA to actually 534 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: come up with a profile. Many people, even within the 535 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: police force, believe this was a home invasion robbery, but 536 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me because nothing was robbed 537 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: that we know of other than the victim's cell phone. 538 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: She didn't even live there too. Cassandra Kennedy, this is 539 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: Vanessa's sister, Cassandra. Do you believe that the people that 540 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: lived in that apartment that someone may have had drugs? Yes, 541 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm not understanding why they would drag her body through 542 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: the apartment. And the reason why we know that she 543 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: was a drug is because I've met up with the 544 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: gentleman that they rent at the apartment too, and left 545 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: her blood there in the carpet. Two you, Cheryl I 546 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: was talking about illegal drugs. Do you believe that somebody 547 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: had stashed drugs there? Do you believe that they were 548 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: robbed the owners of the apartment, but it was of drugs, 549 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: and so they never told police what was taken, So 550 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you know they're trying to portray. 551 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: The issue is again, the only person harm is Honey, 552 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: who didn't live there, who didn't stash drugs there, who 553 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: wasn't a drug dealer. The only person that had any 554 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: think stolen from them was honey, so again was not 555 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: a drug dealer who didn't live in that apartment. Hold on, 556 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: just a moment, just a moment. It is pertnent to me, 557 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't tell you why because unless something was stolen 558 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: that the residents are not telling us about, that means 559 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: nothing was stolen. If nothing was stolen, then the residents, 560 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: in my mind, should be questioned again. Now, a lot 561 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: of times, as you know um out to you to 562 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, people will let's just say flunk polygraph. 563 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: They may not be lying about, let's just say the murder. 564 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: They may be lying because at the time of the 565 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: murder they had a out of plot in their pocket. 566 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: They don't want to get in trouble, or they might 567 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: have been high, or they might have been driving drunk, 568 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: and they're lying about that, and that throws off the 569 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: line detective tests. What I am saying is if there 570 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: were some contraband, if the residents there had stolen something, 571 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: or it could be anything, and they're lying about it, 572 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: and I have I am sleuthing right now. I don't 573 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: have a shred of evidence to support that, but I'm 574 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of this. If they didn't have 575 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: something stolen from that apartment, then the whole story is 576 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: a lie. So my question is, was some contraband stolen 577 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: that they don't want to tell cops about. Well, I 578 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: think it's an excellent question because what it tells me 579 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: is if there was controversy m they did not want 580 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: to tell the police about, then they are not going 581 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: to be completely forthcoming and tell all of the relevant 582 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: information needed to solve this crime. And then Honey becomes 583 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: a sacrificial lamb. And that that word sacrificial lamb keeps 584 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: coming to my mind as we're talking about this case, 585 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,479 Speaker 1: because I do believe Honey was sacrificed in some way. 586 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: I do believe, according to one report, the door was 587 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: kicked down. Is that right? The the two residents are 588 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 1: tied up, but so loosely they can get away. Nothing 589 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: ostensibly is stolen from the apart the apartment. That would 590 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: be like money, cash, jewelry, something like that could have 591 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: been contraband, as you're saying, But for some reason, the 592 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: residents believe it's necessary to call Honey over there. I 593 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: feel like they're trying to distract the men who invaded 594 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: the apartment by having Honey over there, in order to 595 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: pin the perpetrator's anxiety on Honey, as if she knows something, 596 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: as if they get rid of her, they're going to 597 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: be safe and that the residents were kind of saving 598 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: their own skin. I know this kind of a loose theory, 599 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: but that that's what makes sense to me. Well, we 600 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: do have one development in the last months. It was 601 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: a handgun seized that could leave to the killer of 602 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: Vanessa Malone. Sheryl McCollum, what can you tell me about 603 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: this seized handgun we are just hearing about. Well, one 604 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: of the people that was involved in this overall crime 605 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: of Honey being shot was arrested and he had a 606 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: gun on him at the time, and he's a convicted felon. 607 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: So they're hoping that that gun, which was a nine 608 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: millimeter is going to match up with the nine millimeter 609 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: case things that were found at Honey thing. Well, what 610 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: do you mean he was connected? He was I believe 611 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: one of the people that were fired up. Well, you 612 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: know what, that leads me to a whole uh plethora 613 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: of questions because when I keep when you hear home invasion, 614 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: you think of violence and threats and beatings. But from 615 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: what I've learned, the people living there claim guys dressed 616 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: all in black with masks on. I mean, come on, 617 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: the straight out of a fifth grade murder mystery novel. Please. 618 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: They claimed they were tied up with a belt and 619 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: the cord of an electric razor and put in the 620 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: shower an electrical cord? Really, and you couldn't get away 621 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: that that? That doesn't sound true to me, how to 622 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: Flora alone, Honey's mother. That sounds like a lie? Is 623 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: that for real? None of them has ever agreed to 624 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: talk to We have asked them several times and I 625 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: try to read that different family members and none of 626 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: them everything. I find that very odd, right there, Flora, 627 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: because why wouldn't they agree to talk to you? What? 628 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: What do they That's that's my theory too, because why 629 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't you? I mean, the girl that was there, she 630 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: didn't even say I'm sorry she's dead, Matt, Sorry, did 631 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: I did it any things? But I just don't understand 632 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: how they could just remain silent if they didn't have 633 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: anything to do with it, because it doesn't make sense. 634 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the the whole robbery story doesn't make sense 635 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: to me. The guy that was there said that his 636 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: phone his while it was stolen. The girl that was there, 637 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: she said her cell phone was stolen, but the police 638 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 1: gave her cell phone back to her the whole phone 639 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: wasn't sing at all, and why would you do a 640 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: whole home invasion dressed in ninja black with masks on 641 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: to get a cell phone? And one of them said 642 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: three people. And one of them said, there's a big 643 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: difference if they would have said five or six. I mean, 644 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: it's one said five or one six six. I can 645 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: understand it, but one said three. So there's a big 646 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: difference between three and six. You don't know how many 647 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: people rabbed you. No one has been charged in connection 648 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: with Vanessa Malone's murder. If you have information, please call 649 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: four zero four five seven seven eight four seven seven 650 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: repeat four zero four five seven seven eight four seven seven. 651 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: We are investigating the case. Go to crime online dot 652 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: com for all breaking crime and justice news, including the 653 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: investigation into the murder of Vanessa Honey Malone. Nancy Grace 654 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,