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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Tuesday, A lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about Herd. Hire a herkye. Will the chiefs be

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Speaker 1: in it? The dynasty? Do they make it in?

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Speaker 3: It's the Herd? Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 3: may be listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your team ten two

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Speaker 1: and OH teams ten Oho and two teams. I do

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Speaker 1: think the chiefs of the OH and two teams will

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Speaker 1: be fine. They'll get healthy, not great, very good.

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Speaker 3: J Mac.

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Speaker 1: You know, Baker Mayfield and I are friendies, and I

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Speaker 1: told you I offered him a podcast on my Little

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Speaker 1: Company a couple of years ago. He said, no, that's

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Speaker 1: a but I do. I don't hold grudges. Thankfully, Baker

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Speaker 1: doesn't hold grudges. I would love to get him on

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Speaker 1: the show. But was that fun to watch last night

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Speaker 1: or what not?

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Speaker 4: If you were holding a Houston Texans ticket and expecting

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Speaker 4: the win. But that's two weeks in a row. Bakers

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Speaker 4: come through.

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Speaker 1: In Niklutch Collins, We've talked about this with the Bears

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Speaker 1: fit coach quarterback, and Baker Mayfield is a great illustration

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Speaker 1: of what fit means. So think about Baker Mayfield gets drafted,

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Speaker 1: goes to Cleveland, chip on his shoulder, out of Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an attitude, and then he deals

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Speaker 1: with Hugh Jackson and his ego, and Greg Williams and

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Speaker 1: his ego, and he's got to John Dorsey, the former

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Speaker 1: player of the GM his ego, and the impulsive owner boy.

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Speaker 1: It was a tender box and Baker Mayfield in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: was the spark. Even the media in Cleveland has a

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Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder for years and years of losing.

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Speaker 1: Then it wasn't until Kevin Stefanski showed up in Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Ivy League.

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Speaker 1: Cerebro understated, Baker goes eleven and five, gets into the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: wins a game, but everything just didn't feel right. There

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Speaker 1: too many fires started by Baker and those guys just

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Speaker 1: Andrew Berry. Stefanski said, we're going to start over. Easy

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Speaker 1: to say now, but then at the time it was

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Speaker 1: just it was just too much sparks and he felt

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Speaker 1: like it needed a fire extinguisher every fifteen minutes for

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Speaker 1: a press conference in Cleveland with Baker, then he grows up,

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Speaker 1: he bounces around.

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Speaker 3: He ends up in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: No ego with that coach Todd Bowles, even Keel gm

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Speaker 1: great one, Jason Light The owners stay out of the

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Speaker 1: business the media. In Tampa, they've got Super Bowls. They're

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Speaker 1: not bitter, they're supportive, and there's no pressure. And in

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Speaker 1: sleepy Tampa, Baker mayfield the last two weeks. First of all,

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Speaker 1: he leads the NFL in passing touchdowns since he got

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Speaker 1: to Tampa, game winning drives last two weeks, he's been great.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have to battle the media. He didn't have

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Speaker 1: to battle Hugh Jackson or Greg Williams to win. The

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Speaker 1: room doesn't have to remake an organization. Tampa's always had players.

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Speaker 1: They just could never get the quarterback right, even as

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Speaker 1: top receiver Mike Evans, Mecca Buca, no ego, easy going guys.

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Speaker 1: Remember Obj in Cleveland, the dad gets involved, they're releasing

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Speaker 1: stuff to the media. Just didn't work. So Tampa is

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit for Baker. It's always been a little sleepy.

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Speaker 1: I've worked there years ago. Ebar city, fun town, but

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Speaker 1: this division. They've always had talent, but they could never

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback right. And they go Brady to Baker

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Speaker 1: and it's a perfect fit. You know. It's again, nobody

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Speaker 1: in Tampa's got a chip on their shoulder. In Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: the GM, the owner, the interim coach, the media, everybody

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Speaker 1: if it's sports or business or relationships. It's all about fit.

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Speaker 1: And since he arrived in Tampa, he's got the most

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Speaker 1: passing touchdowns. He's top five or six in everything else.

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Speaker 1: That inner turmoil it's gone. He's got a certain quiet

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Speaker 1: Remember when he signed there, it was a one year,

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Speaker 1: proven deal. That feels like a decade ago. This is

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Speaker 3: It feels perfect.

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Speaker 1: And this is what we say about Chicago to the

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Speaker 1: play that well the first two weeks and they're two

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Speaker 5: It's good to see that we haven't even played to

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Speaker 5: our best ball in all three phases, and we're still

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Speaker 5: finding ways to win on the road. And that's really

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Speaker 5: important is to not lose sight of that we're finding

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Speaker 5: ways to win, but also we do need to get

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Speaker 5: things fixed. Some of these games can make it easier

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Speaker 5: on ourselves and try and put teams away earlier. But

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Speaker 5: this is a good team that we played, so let's

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Speaker 5: we expected an art fought battle. But yeah, it's nice

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Speaker 5: to be on the right side of it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, look at him, handsome, he's happy. He's

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Speaker 1: in great shape. If you can go on the road

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, get a punt blocked, give up a

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Speaker 1: huge return, not play particularly well, but you have a

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Speaker 1: goal line stand, you get Baker the ball with a

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes left, They're gonna win this division again.

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Speaker 1: And Baker's the reason why Baker Mayfield finally found the

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Speaker 1: perfect fit. Even when he got hurt here, when he

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Speaker 3: You wanted to get.

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Speaker 1: Out and get Chatty's And I'm here for it now,

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Speaker 1: at least in Tampa.

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Speaker 3: I am okay. How about the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Beating the Raiders so twenty games ago, It's hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: Twenty games ago the Chargers were mess. They have the

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Speaker 1: thirty second ranked defense in the NFL. Here comes Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: and defensive coordinator Jesse Minter. Twenty games later, a few tweaks.

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Speaker 1: It is the stickiest secondary in the league. It's the

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Speaker 1: all Harbaugh teams look the same, big, strong, physical, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith isn't great, but zero for ten on balls

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Speaker 1: downfield and three picks. Gino's better than that. In two

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Speaker 1: weeks against the Chiefs and the Raiders, opposing quarterbacks have

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Speaker 1: Or the defensive coordinator. Justin Herbert feels like a perfect fit.

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Speaker 1: Take out the playoff game in the regular season. The

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Speaker 3: So they're a little bit like Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: They've got their star quarterback, they've got their offensive coach,

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Speaker 1: Joe Alt has not surrendered a sack or even a pressure.

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Speaker 1: They're just a big, massive, physical team, kind of the

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Speaker 1: opposite of Miami. Miami hired an offensive coach. It's all flash,

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Speaker 1: no steak. This is all substance, tough and physical. I

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Speaker 1: mean Keenan Allen thirty three years old, still delivering on

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Speaker 1: third down. So they just squeeze you. Herbert doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any big mistakes. He'll make one or two huge throws.

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Speaker 1: They are the opposite of the team that Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: took over. Powerful, predictable, physical, and it's why Justin hurt

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Speaker 1: by the way, smalltown Oregon kid. You don't get any ego.

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Speaker 1: He just wants to win. He lives in la and hides.

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Speaker 1: We don't see him anywhere. He's super quiet, and it's

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Speaker 1: just perfect for hardball. Like heartball. He would go with

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that needed constant attention or needed validation. Herbert's

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Speaker 1: very secure in who he is. And listen the offense,

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Speaker 1: it's still it feels like they're probably a receiver. Shy

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Speaker 1: Lad mcconkey's their one, Quinton Johnson's their big play receiver.

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Speaker 1: It feels like Keenan Allen's been the most valuable. Could

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Speaker 1: they use another receiver, We don't know, if a Mario Hampton,

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been spectacular, but as Hardball said after the

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Speaker 1: win over the Raiders, it is all about this defense.

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Speaker 6: Defense guardians of victory today. I mean they had our

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Speaker 6: a tremendous defensive performance. The turnovers, three interceptions, the fourth

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Speaker 6: down stops, I mean, a incredible stop on the twenty

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Speaker 6: play drive. You know, over eleven minutes. We had a

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Speaker 6: to three points there and just guys just playing like uh,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it just meant everything to him.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Harball, It's not just the

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Speaker 1: offensive stuff. Obviously he's cleaned up Herbert, but this team

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Speaker 1: is the opposite from the one he took over. And

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Speaker 1: for years and years, the Chargers just didn't spend money

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Speaker 1: good coaches, but you always felt like, man, could they

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Speaker 3: Well they have and this is what you get.

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Speaker 1: This is what you get if you're going to hire

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer to run your college football team, or Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban run your college football team, or you hire you know,

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Speaker 1: you hire Jim Harbaugh to coach your NFL team, or

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid to coach your NFL team. It's not just

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Speaker 1: about changing the plays, it's changing the culture. And I

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Speaker 1: for personnel, I don't know. They were missing a defensive

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Speaker 1: back last night. And again we all know Gino Smith

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Speaker 1: by the fifteenth best quarterback in the league, zero for

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Speaker 1: ten throwing balls downfield. I mean that defense was everywhere.

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Speaker 1: There's just no space, no blown coverages. Khalil Max banged up.

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Speaker 1: Jay mcka had to be impressed. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: going to be a closer game. But it is interesting

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Speaker 1: a couple in his first draft, Hardball went and spent

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Speaker 1: you know, two fifth round picks. He went and got

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Speaker 1: a couple of cornerbacks obviously that he had recruited or

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Speaker 1: played against in Michigan. They both hit. So it's just

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Speaker 1: I look at him. How good is their personnel?

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 1: But when you lead the NFL the last twenty games

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Speaker 1: in defense, a lot of that is culture and coaching.

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Speaker 4: I totally agree that Jesse Minter stuff. You know, he's

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Speaker 4: going to be a hot commodity that defense. They got

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Speaker 4: a lot of no name dudes out there, and Khalil

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Speaker 4: Mack went down. I was like, oh, wow, Raiders are

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Speaker 4: gonna have a shot here. They couldn't do anything. Just

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Speaker 4: a quick note on Harball Colin. Remember last week I

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Speaker 4: was bemoaning the Chiefs. They looked like the same team

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Speaker 4: the last few years. They haven't changed or reinvented themselves.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the Chargers. Last year they were doing heavy sets,

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Speaker 7: They were throwing of guys like Will.

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Speaker 4: Disley's Stone smart, you know, random tight ends. This year

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Speaker 4: wide receivers, and it's Keenan Allen who looked so good.

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Speaker 4: By the way, he was available on the market for

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Speaker 4: like two months. Anybody could have gone and got Keenan Allen,

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Speaker 4: well and the Chargers pick him up.

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Speaker 1: We talk about fit. He was in Chicago, didn't do anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he comes back to the Chargers with Justin Herbert and

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Speaker 1: They have a much better defense than Buffalo and Baltimore

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this with Aj Brown

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Speaker 3: You go to a law firm and you just can't.

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Speaker 1: We would be okay Jalen Brunson. He needs to go

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Speaker 9: So you know, no matter what that looks like, I

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Speaker 3: So they're not going to change for him.

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Speaker 1: They've got their they've got their culture. The good news

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Speaker 7: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: Let's get started, Colin with your Chicago Bears. They are

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Speaker 7: Have appear to stink.

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Speaker 4: Obviously everybody's talking about Caleb Williams didn't.

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Speaker 7: Have a great game against Detroit.

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Speaker 4: However, his coach Ben Johnson said he saw some growth

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Speaker 10: There's there's still a number of plays where our eyes

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Speaker 10: But I did see tremendous growth in terms of going

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Speaker 1: I thought game one and game two were the same,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of this line. Why

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Speaker 6: What is that?

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Speaker 1: That and this is the first time I've seen it

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't make any sense. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I thought the Eagles Chiefs, you're like one and a

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Speaker 3: At that game?

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Speaker 1: There is a match up here, and I think here's

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Speaker 7: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Historically, don't think that would because the Giants had so

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Speaker 4: Caleb can't shred this secondary, they just got lit up

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a shootout, I'm gonna take Dak

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 4: Who's getting stopped here? Bears defense didn't get any stops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to think there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: to bet Dallas, so the market saying, listen, nobody wants

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Speaker 3: I would have.

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Speaker 1: Guessed Dallas minus four.

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Speaker 3: That's what it feels like to me.

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Speaker 7: He let's see what Tyson Bagen.

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Speaker 3: Could do, right, yep? See reasonable?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 4: Next up is the Baltimore Ravens, Colin. They smashed the

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Speaker 4: Browns forty one to seventeen on Sunday. Baltimore has nine

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Speaker 4: offensive touchdowns so far. However, Mark Andrews and Rashad Bateman

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Speaker 4: have a combined six catches.

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Speaker 7: Is everybody getting involved?

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Speaker 4: Here's John Harbaugh on trying to do that.

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Speaker 6: That's kind of a blessing, you know, but it's also

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Speaker 6: a dilemma and we're working through it. But hopefully it's

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Speaker 6: the time of the Lama that puts a lot of

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Speaker 6: points on the board. That's what we're hoping for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's They've got a lot of play makers, so

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: Their defense is my concern, not their offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Colin, I didn't watch a lot of this game.

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Speaker 4: It was boring, a blowout. You know, Browns were never

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Speaker 4: in it. I don't know what do you do with

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Speaker 4: the Ravens at this point. Obviously, listen, they're gonna they're

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Speaker 4: favored against the Lions.

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Speaker 1: But it's like you remember those old Atlanta Braves teams,

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Speaker 1: when No had a great pitching Glavin and Maddox, and

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Speaker 1: you just penciled them in they were gonna win their division.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know what they would do in the postseason matchups,

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Speaker 1: but you would just say, Okay, Atlanta's gonna win their division.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cox, the manager, John Suurholtz was a GM. They

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Speaker 1: had a great farm system, and they had great pitching

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Speaker 1: for years and years and they won Wooden World Series.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like that with Baltimore because

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Speaker 1: I'm a homes and Reed and Buffalo and now Harvon Herbert.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna win a super Bowl. But in the end,

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Speaker 1: in the interim, I just put them down for winning

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Speaker 1: their division. They have a better owner than anybody in

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Speaker 1: their division. They have a better quarterback who's healthier more

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Speaker 1: often in the division. Their roster overall is the best division.

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Speaker 1: They're the Braves. Pencil them down, win their division, probably

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Speaker 1: end up with a Super Bowl in the next five years.

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Speaker 1: But clearly the criticisms of Lamar in the postseason are

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Speaker 1: fair because he has not been the same quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, Derreck Henry was kind of plotting against the Browns. Listen,

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Speaker 4: he's getting up there. Once you cross thirty as a

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Speaker 4: running back. You know, I know Henry was amazing in

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Speaker 4: the opener, but that was off what seven months rest,

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Speaker 4: Colin Henry Bear's watching because things quickly will fall apart

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Speaker 4: if Derrick Henry is one of these like three yards

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Speaker 4: and a cloud of dust, guys. Final story, Let's go

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Speaker 4: to Sunday Night football, that game where JJ McCarthy got

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Speaker 4: injured late Colin.

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Speaker 7: It's worse than expected.

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Speaker 4: He's out two to four weeks, kind of got rolled

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Speaker 4: up on.

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Speaker 7: There's some debate whether or not it was a hip

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Speaker 7: drop tackle. Carson Wentz is going to be taken over.

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell addressed McCarthy's injury yesterday.

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Speaker 3: For JJ.

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Speaker 11: You know, he's in a long process, a long journey

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Speaker 11: right now where there's going to be some ups and down.

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Speaker 11: There's not not any aspect of this. This is a pure,

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Speaker 11: purely medical medical base thing that you know we're dealing

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Speaker 11: with right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's see he comes in, he gets injured

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Speaker 1: I think in the preseason, and then they have to

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Speaker 1: have a second surgery on him, and then he sits

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Speaker 1: out a year, and then he comes back and he's

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Speaker 1: out after two weeks. I mean, so again, this goes

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Speaker 1: back to something we talked about yesterday. People get uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: about it, but there are athletes that are injury prone,

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Speaker 1: and there are athletes that don't do a great job

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Speaker 1: of protecting themselves. And so in the end, right now,

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Speaker 1: I have a quarterback. I saw a stat yesterday on

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Speaker 1: the internet that if he had grounded the ball thirty

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Speaker 1: seven times instead of dropping back to pass, he would

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Speaker 1: have had a higher passer rating. So he's had seven

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Speaker 1: of eight of his quarters have been I mean, he

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Speaker 1: looks overwhelmed.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll just the only small defense of him is

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Speaker 4: two primetime games to start your NFL career. That's difficult. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm not. Again, he has not looked great, but those

512
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Speaker 4: are tall orders, Colin. I thought this would have been

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Speaker 4: a great spot for him to get right against the

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Speaker 4: sad sack Bengals. That being said, Carson Wentz is gonna

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Speaker 4: step in as as the starter. I know we're out

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Speaker 4: on Carson Wentz, Colin. Do you remember two years ago

517
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Speaker 4: her cousins had the Achilles Yes, and they went through

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Speaker 4: Nick Mullens, Josh Dobbs, the pastronaut, Jaren Hall, and Kevin

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Speaker 4: O'Connell kind of sort of thrived with them, the same

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Speaker 4: way Lafleur bought Anderson.

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Speaker 3: Wentz will be fine.

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Speaker 4: I do think I think I like the Vikings this

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Speaker 4: week against the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Let me say this though, this whole thing about JJ.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy played two big games. Hey played in three Ohio

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Speaker 1: State Michigan games, which get the same ratings as NFL games.

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Speaker 1: It can't be that he is just Listen. You can

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Speaker 1: see Michael pennix first series in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: He's not overwhelmed.

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Speaker 4: You can see Pennick is just handing it off to

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Speaker 4: b Jon rodin Bone.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Pennix's first passes last year, gets

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball, big, tall, lanky, good arm, quick release.

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Speaker 1: Pennix is not overwhelmed. Bonix didn't win much. You know

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Speaker 1: that first September last year, was not overwhelmed. Caleb can

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Speaker 1: be overwhelmed. Drake may looked a little overwhelmed. But there

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Speaker 1: is something to be said. When the bright lights come on,

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Speaker 1: do you look the part McCarthy doesn't look the pulse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I get that. I will say Pennix is

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Speaker 4: like twenty five, he's older. Remember JJ McCarthy's youngest quarterback

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Speaker 4: in Week one, youngest starter in the league.

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Speaker 7: So just take it easy on the kid.

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Speaker 4: I know you want to pump up Caleb and bash

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Speaker 4: a divisional quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm Caleb. Caleb doesn't look overwhelmed.

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Speaker 1: He looks like a terrible fit with this coach and

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Speaker 1: wild and ab living.

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Speaker 3: That's different. I can live with that.

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Speaker 1: I do think Caleb had found a coach that didn't

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Speaker 1: draft him, and it doesn't feel like it's a perfect marriage.

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Speaker 1: I said this yesterday. You can be great people and

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Speaker 1: get divorced and you find happiness elsewhere. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: many times do we see in business a business merger

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Speaker 1: and the two companies don't work. It's like, yet your

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Speaker 1: culture and our culture, most mergers don't work. And the

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Speaker 1: truth is Shanahan loved Kirk, Cousins loves brock Purty loves

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Speaker 1: mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: They run his plays.

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Speaker 1: And there are certain coaches now Matt Lafleur is willing

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Speaker 1: to let his quarterback add lib more. Also, Green Bay

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Speaker 1: drafts receivers and tight ends very well, so all coaches

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Speaker 1: have sensibilities and styles. Andy Reid's always been okay with

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Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb moving and Mahomes moving. Shanahan likes it his way,

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Speaker 1: So I just think there's different styles. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think Caleb's overwhelmed. I think he's lost. But his horsepower

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Speaker 1: is undeniable, which he looks He just doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: he works.

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Speaker 7: At all, which is worse overwhelmed or lost.

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Speaker 3: Neither's great.

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Speaker 1: Jack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by.

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Speaker 2: The herd line.

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Speaker 1: Heard hierarchy top of next hour. I'm sitting there.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think Kansas that he's going to

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Speaker 1: be fine. I don't have him in the Herd hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: I had them number eleven. I've got Denver twelve. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I was sitting there watching Geno Smith. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders thing is interesting. So Pete Carroll gets the job

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Speaker 1: with Chip Kelly and they know justin Herbert's the division,

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Speaker 1: BOENICKX and Sean Payton, Mahomes and Andy Reid. So the Raiders, no,

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Speaker 1: we got to get the quarterback right, so they went.

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Speaker 1: I think Geno Smith and Pete Carroll are a weird pairing.

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Speaker 3: Pete hates interceptions and.

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Speaker 1: Gino is caroless he always has been. If you speed

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Speaker 1: him up last night three picks. So they wanted Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They offered him a hundred million. Stafford said no, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to stay with the Rams for less. And then

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Speaker 1: I think they kind of wanted Sam Darnold. But Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: part owner of the said no on Sam Darnold. So

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Speaker 1: I think it was a marriage of convenience. Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: was very familiar with Geno Smith. Pete Carroll was familiar

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Speaker 1: with Geno Smith, but I don't think he was their

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Speaker 1: first or second choice. So you know, Tom Brady's like

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Speaker 1: reportedly it was out there, no to Darnald and and

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Speaker 1: they Matt Stafford considered it, probably for about a day,

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Speaker 1: and he said no. So Gino sins twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL in interceptions, and Donald's younger, he's more athletic,

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Speaker 1: he's closure to his prime. And I think Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: was coming off an amazing year between Shanahan's mentoring and

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell's coaching. Donald was going to come to Vegas

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Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence. But when I watched it

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Speaker 1: last night, I mean, already this year Gino's got doesn't

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Speaker 1: have really a number one receiver. Jacoby Myers is a

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Speaker 1: two brock Bauers, a great tight end. They should probably

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Speaker 1: give the ball more to Ash than Genty. They really should.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, he's already third in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now in aggressive throw.

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Speaker 3: So that's Gino. If you speed Gino.

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Speaker 1: Up, he makes some bad decisions, and in New York

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Speaker 1: he was a disaster. In Seattle it was reclamation and

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Speaker 1: a great story. But a great story doesn't mean a

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Speaker 1: great quarterback. So I think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: are a little trapped here. They wanted Stafford. I think

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Speaker 1: privately they'd never admit it. They probably thought, darnold, you know,

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Speaker 1: younger in his prime, with some career momentum. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what they've got, the fourth best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the division. Again, Chip Kelly knew him from Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they had a relationship. He recruited him. Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: had him in Seattle. They like him, he's a likable guy.

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Speaker 1: But last night you're watching that game, and my takeaway

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Speaker 1: is you're a fourth place team in that division with

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Speaker 1: that offense currently, and here's Pete on gino struggles.

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Speaker 3: He had a lot of.

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Speaker 12: Time back there. You know, he had a chance to

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Speaker 12: look and see, didn't like what he saw underneath, and

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Speaker 12: gave those guys some shots down the field, which he's

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Speaker 12: tremendous at doing. We were impatient with the throwing game,

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Speaker 12: and that's why the ball went down the field so far.

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Speaker 12: And I don't think we needed to do that. It's disappointing.

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Speaker 12: I know that the picture of a big issue, but

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Speaker 12: that's not my concern. My concern is why we didn't

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Speaker 12: get the ball throwing a cat underneath.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean zero for ten throwing downfield.

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Speaker 1: Some of it is in fairness, some of it is

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Speaker 1: this The Chargers defense is really good.

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Speaker 3: That's part of it.

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Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting because you know, Pete has a

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Speaker 1: history Marshawn Lynch, Lyndale White, Reggie Bush. They draft Ashton

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Speaker 1: gent like Pete likes a strong running game, and so

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Speaker 1: Pete's got a marriage Mary. You know his offense and

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Speaker 1: his philosophy with Chip Kelly. They're both smart guys. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be fine, But watching that game last night,

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Speaker 1: I thought this has got to be driving Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: crazy because when they won a Super Bowl with Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I think Russell Wilson could go look it up. That

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00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: year was like twenty second in pass attempts. Like that

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Speaker 1: was the perfect team, play defense, special teams, run the ball,

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Speaker 1: and some big throws downfield over the top. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of that was always sort of the USC in Seattle

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Speaker 1: prescription for Pete. Big plays over the top, run the ball,

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Speaker 1: control the clock, very few turnovers. So all this stuff

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders is baking. They've got a good coach,

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Speaker 1: a great offensive coordinator, they've got some playmakers. But it's

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Speaker 1: part of the rebuild the young GM people like we'll

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Speaker 1: see Herd hierarchy top of the hour, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the Chargers last night. As bad as New

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Speaker 1: York football is, is as great as LA football is.

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Speaker 3: That's coming up now.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 4: Sunday, a Fox NFL doubleheader starts with a rematch of

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Speaker 4: last year's playoff classic between the Rams and the Eagles

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Speaker 4: or other regional action. Then it's America's Game of the

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Speaker 4: Week as Deak and the Cowboys take on Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this before that when you hire a

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Speaker 1: head coach, it's not just about the x's and o's.

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Speaker 1: That's what your coordinators are for. You are hiring a CEO.

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Speaker 1: And I'm reminded. And when I think of Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: football now with Sean McVay and Jim Harbaugh, there is

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Speaker 1: an argument they are the two best culture creators in

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Speaker 1: football LA football right now, I mean think about La foot.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have an NFL team, not that long ago,

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Speaker 1: right didn't have a team. I'm going to argue that

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Speaker 1: Harbon McVeigh ever watched Departed Frank Costello, that Jack Nicholson

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Speaker 1: character has a great line in That has a great

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Speaker 1: line in that movie. I don't want to be a

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Speaker 1: product of my environment. I want my environment to be

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Speaker 1: part of me. That's McVeigh and Harball. Their teams are themselves.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Rams with McVeigh are intense, buttoned up,

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Speaker 1: least penalized team in the NFL. Sean McVay always looks

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Speaker 1: like he pressed his shirt five minutes before the press Conference.

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Speaker 1: McVeigh is all details, totally organized, crazy about it has

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Speaker 1: like Stephen Hawking, recall, it's unbelievable. His team last year

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Speaker 1: was the youngest defense in the NFL and yet the

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Speaker 1: least penalize. They are him and Jim Harbaugh. Even his

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Speaker 1: handshakes are firm. Remember the Jim Schwartz pat in the back.

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Speaker 1: That's Harball. His teams are big. Jim's big, and he's physical,

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Speaker 1: and he's relentless. And that's the Chargers. It's amazing how

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Speaker 1: good LA football is right now. I hope people appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: What's in Sofi Stadium. The Rams have the great owner,

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Speaker 1: the great GM, the great coach, and the great quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And the Chargers again, it's a coach quarterback league. Herbert Harball,

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Speaker 1: McVeigh and Stafford and both draft very well. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: and then you look at the New York teams so

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Speaker 1: far this year. They're zero to four, minus forty in

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Speaker 1: point differential, give up thirty one points a game, and

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Speaker 1: opposing quarterbacks have a one or old repasser rating. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you may have a better park and better bagels, but

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the beach in football, LA is humming.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. And you know, I'm sitting there thinking

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Speaker 1: this morning, I looked it up. Pro football did not exist.

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Speaker 1: It did not exist in Los Angeles in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: ten years later. Hall of Fame, Coaches, Hall of Fame quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: hall of Fame, pass rush talent. It's unbelievable how bad

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Speaker 1: New York football is. And I think it all comes

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Speaker 1: back to ownership. Spanos family pretty much keeps Dean kind

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Speaker 1: of keeps out of it, lets his football people run

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Speaker 1: the show. And you know, I think we all know

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Speaker 1: Stan Kronkey one of the richest guys, also one of

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Speaker 1: the most private billionaires in the country. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we watched the HBO Hard Knocks with a giant ownership

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Speaker 1: that was shaky. The Johnson family with the Jets. You

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Speaker 1: know they're going to argue, we let our coaches, We

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Speaker 1: let our coaches last much longer. Robert Slid been here

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Speaker 1: several years, and they always feel like their stuff working

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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. So all I'm saying is, I

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Speaker 1: look at the two biggest cities in the country, It

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable how good LA football is right now. I

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Speaker 1: mean the idea that one city has arguably the two

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Speaker 1: best coaches and the two best cultures. Now there is

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Speaker 1: another great culture and coach in this league, and it's

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid. I think Kansas City is going to be fine.

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Speaker 1: There are ten to zero to two teams in this league,

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Speaker 1: and if you look at the I was looking at

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Speaker 1: the teams this morning, it's the Giants and the Jets

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and Chicago, in Carolina and New Orleans and

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and a lot of teams that are annually at

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Speaker 1: the top of the draft in April. There's two or

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Speaker 1: three reasons why Kansas City's going to be fine. Number

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Speaker 1: one is Xavier Worthy probably a number two receiver is

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Speaker 1: coming back. Rashi Rice is coming back in a month.

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Speaker 1: The New York Giants are on the schedule. And the

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Speaker 1: truth is it is a head coach, quarterback and pass

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Speaker 1: rush league, and Kansas City is good at those. So

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Speaker 1: you got two receivers coming back. You lost to Philly

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers. How do we know those aren't the

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Speaker 1: two best teams in the NFL right now? They kind

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Speaker 1: of look like it. So there's a couple of tough games,

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Speaker 1: But you got Jacksonville in Detroit and the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Raiders. I think they're going to be fine.

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Speaker 1: I would say if you take out Baltimore Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, the AFC feels more wide open than the NFC.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the schedule again, Baltimore Buffalo

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Speaker 1: at Denver, those are tough games, a lot of wins,

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Speaker 1: a lot of average offensive lines, not a lot of

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. It's oh and to, but it doesn't feel desperate.

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Speaker 1: Last year the Rams started oh and too, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: started oh and too, and Denver started oh and too,

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Speaker 1: and they all made the playoffs. The Chiefs are going

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. And here's Andy Reid.

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Speaker 13: I trust this group. I mean, this group's a good group,

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Speaker 13: good leadership, and they'll stay together, it's you know. And

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Speaker 13: they'll work hard on cleaning things up. There's nobody more

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Speaker 13: aware of it.

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Speaker 3: Than the guy.

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Speaker 13: So and we'll make sure we get back to the

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Speaker 13: drawing board. Like I said, this game here was more

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Speaker 13: on the offensive side. We've got to take care of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they will. They'll get the receivers back.

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Speaker 1: But again, Ravens, last year, Denver Rams zero and to.

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Speaker 1: They're fine. You know, I think when you watch it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Patrick Mahomes doing everything he can offensively

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Speaker 1: to make plays. The defense is fine, the coaching is good,

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Speaker 1: and the schedule gets easier. Now I think you look

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Speaker 1: at the Chargers right now, it's the best defense in

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Speaker 1: the league. In Kansas City's offense is struggling. That was

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Speaker 1: bound to be a problem. A lot of people like

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Speaker 1: the Chargers in that game in Brazil, and Philadelphia's got

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Speaker 1: the best roster in the league.

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Speaker 3: So j Mac, I always do this.

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Speaker 1: Starting Tuesday, I put the NFL Week three schedule up,

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Speaker 1: and I ask you, yes, I ask you give the

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Speaker 1: audience a little bit of an early feel on a

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Speaker 1: guaranteed w and an upset. Now a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are saying Buffalo Thursday, Miami's got an upset written all.

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Speaker 7: Over whoa who is it?

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Speaker 3: That's people that have been drinking too much.

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Speaker 1: Because short week, short week games, big advantage to the

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Speaker 1: star quarterback and the home team. So I think Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Rails spread is thirteen. You are out of your mind

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Speaker 1: if you're betting Miami in that one. You know the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers are favorite anywhere from seven to nine

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Speaker 1: on the road in Cleveland. Now, Michael Parson's a company.

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Speaker 7: Extra rest.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna get after Joe Flacco, who's a statue. But

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Speaker 4: nine is a lot of points on the road, Colin

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Speaker 4: in the NFL, is it not?

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big number. My Jets look like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we don't know if it's Justin Fields or

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Speaker 4: Tyrod Taylor, but they look like they're gonna be seven

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Speaker 4: point dogs in.

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Speaker 7: Tampa against Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the game that you have to look

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Speaker 1: at is Dallas at Chicago.

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Speaker 7: But that's a close spread though though.

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Speaker 1: Right what I'm saying is if I ask people about

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Speaker 1: that game, you would think Dallas after watching the first

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Speaker 1: two weeks of DAK they should have beaten Philadelphia Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb dropped a deep ball, and they did beat the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Your takeaway would be, oh, Chicago's in chaos. That line

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Speaker 1: is telling you something. That line is telling you. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys defense was on the field a lot. Now they

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Speaker 1: go on the road. They've had big, high profile games

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Speaker 1: rival Giants, Philadelphia Eagle back to back in division rivalry games.

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Speaker 1: Now it's lousy to Chicago. And you know my rule,

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Speaker 1: if you get humiliated in the NFL and you have

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Speaker 1: good personnel. You just got humiliated almost oh as you

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Speaker 1: play well the following week, agreed. Miami, by the way,

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Speaker 1: got humiliated. They had a chance to beat New England.

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Speaker 1: Miami button things up.

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Speaker 4: I have three games a bet so far. I like

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Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons. I got them at three and a half.

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Speaker 4: It's up to five in Carolina. That should be they

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Speaker 4: should be fine. You know, I'm on the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 4: against Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on that.

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Speaker 7: This one is a bit of a surprise. I think

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Speaker 7: we'll do a lot on it.

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Speaker 4: Colin I took the Ram getting three and a half

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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my part.

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Speaker 4: Of the logic we could talk about it later in

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Speaker 4: the week is Jalen hurts.

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Speaker 7: His face like no pressure.

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Speaker 4: In the first two weeks, right, Cowboys can't get to

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Speaker 4: the quarterback, and the Chiefs cannot do anything without blitzing

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Speaker 4: the raven Sorry, the Rams defensive front is nasty. I

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Speaker 4: mean they are gonna probably control the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a low scoring game. I'm taking the

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Speaker 4: Rams getting three and a half.

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Speaker 1: Also, you know, Eagles may have to play from behind,

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Speaker 1: which they don't do frequently. So also coming off of

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Speaker 1: Big Kansas City National TV Game of Note, Get Home,

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Speaker 1: Little Breathere Right, I'm with you on that one.

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Speaker 3: Nick Wright heard hierarchy Net