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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Between the Horns. It is Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: January fifteenth. Miles Simmons here with DeMarco fartst about ten

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Speaker 1: thirty am Pacific time, not quite eleven am yet. All right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're off to a rip roaring start here mid January

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Speaker 1: and we're still working. We are still or about that?

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Speaker 1: How about that? Because the Rams defeated the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: thirty to twenty two in the Division round and now

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Speaker 1: we're going to play the New Orleans Saints in the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game on Sunday. It's like returning to what

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Speaker 1: do you call that the side of a crime several

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. You've earned the right to go back there.

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Speaker 1: But it's cool. I mean, it was a great game here,

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Speaker 1: great environment. I love playoff environments, I do. And I

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Speaker 1: know there was a lot of talk about how many

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Speaker 1: Dallas fans showed up, but to me, you couldn't have

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Speaker 1: picked a better up on it for an opening round

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Speaker 1: playoff game at your house because it was so intense.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was jacked to the rafters. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: as far as intensity, yes, absolutely so. Programming note before

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Speaker 1: we really get into this, so this podcast We're really

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Speaker 1: gonna deep dive into the victory over the Cowboys, recab

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Speaker 1: everything that went on there and talk a lot about that.

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Speaker 1: And then on Thursday, we're going to do another podcast

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Speaker 1: and that will be our real big preview of the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game with new we need to podcasts. We

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Speaker 1: do much to talk about there is. That's what happens

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Speaker 1: when you get this far into the postseason. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: much to talk about and so many positives. I'm glad,

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Speaker 1: you know, defensively speaking for the Rams, the guys that

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Speaker 1: we've mentioned the most really started to show up. Yes, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And remember we sat in this room for how many

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Speaker 1: weeks now for this season? How many podcasts has this been? God,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Like we're into week twenty basically regular

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Speaker 1: season plus postseason. Well, I just remember saying weekend and

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Speaker 1: week out, there's no way in the world I'm going

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Speaker 1: to sit in the same room when the guy and

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Speaker 1: let him out produce me for sixteen straight weeks. You

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Speaker 1: did say that, finally, so you did it. Finally he

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Speaker 1: that in Dominican Sue. When he came off the rock,

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Speaker 1: people moved yep, backwards against their will, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he just made play after play after play, really dominated

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Speaker 1: up front. Mark Baron making plays. I think that was

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Speaker 1: his best I think this has been his best two

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Speaker 1: making plays and he looks healthy, yeah, and having fun.

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Speaker 1: And you could see that guy, I mean really really

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Speaker 1: sort of Mark Baron in the postseason, it almost doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who you play. Absolutely. So let's start there with

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Speaker 1: the defense because obviously there's so much to talk about

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Speaker 1: with the offense and how they rushed the ball, and

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Speaker 1: we definitely will. But when you're talking about the defense,

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Speaker 1: you allow a season low fifty rushing yards, right, even

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Speaker 1: they had a little bit more than fifty rushing yards.

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Speaker 1: So that right there, this was a better back, much better. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: I want to do you remember what you said on

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Speaker 1: saw this question on Twitter, right, because we do mail bag, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, you see these questions and

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Speaker 1: You said, probably not? Probably not? Yeah, how would you

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Speaker 1: like your crow serves sir? Oh, will you stop whatever? Whatever?

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Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. No. I mean from the last three weeks,

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Speaker 1: then as a direct correlation of that, look at how

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Speaker 1: So you're saving yourself. You have that much more energy.

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Speaker 1: So I know we're not going to talk about New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: but moving forward, I mean, you could have picked a

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Speaker 1: If you can keep the ball going straight ahead, you will,

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Speaker 1: have done running the football. Now, it's not all necessarily

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Speaker 1: dancing to mcvay's tune. Yes, moving them, manipulating them, hard, count,

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Speaker 1: bye week for sure. Yeah, you could definitely tell that

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Speaker 1: the bye week helped Los Angeles Rams a lot. I

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Speaker 1: just all really was working in the Rams favor. Absolutely. Look,

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Speaker 1: know Nick Saban and company. They will schedule cupcakes. It's

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Speaker 1: do it every November. Absolutely, when you play, you call

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Speaker 1: But then it's something about seeing the finish line man.

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Speaker 1: So it was the question was basically, you know, with

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Speaker 1: a Key to Leeb, you know, asked back, well, you

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Speaker 1: they were able to do. Are you willing to exsume

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Speaker 1: going to know how to move you. He's gonna know

425
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 1: how to manipulate you. And if you have a rested

426
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: and spry feeling offensive line, you have almost gotten no chance,

427
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: especially when you've got a quarterback in an offense that

428
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: can go from hardcount hardcount, hardcount the quick count and

429
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 1: not have a false start. I mean, come on, dude,

430
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean you're that dial in No. The pre snap

431
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: discipline of the La Rams, I think, and catch them

432
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: off sides too, in a blank more more than once. Yeah,

433
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: I think the presnap discipline by this team is one

434
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: of the more underrated things about it, no doubt, because

435
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: you don't see illegal formation penalties, which is something that

436
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: you see from a lot of these teams that have

437
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, the new young the new Asian coach, and

438
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: they're trying to do all this different stuff like you

439
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: saw it out of Chicago a few times. I think

440
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: even in their playoff game they get these illegal formation

441
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: penalties because they're not lined up properly pre snap. You

442
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: don't see that at like I think we saw maybe

443
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: one or two all year right out of this offense.

444
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: If you're like primarily eleven personnel and you can't line up,

445
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: then you just can't play. I mean really, I mean,

446
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: let's just be honest, right, it's eleven personnel. I know

447
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: you're either going to be here or there. Come on,

448
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: I know, but that, but it's still if you can't

449
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: get lined up, then I question your intelligence just getting

450
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: lined up now, making a mistake during the play, okay,

451
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: but just getting lined up come on. Well, but that's

452
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, a lot of teams, though, are not

453
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: that discipline true that they can actually get that done

454
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: each and every snap? You know what I'm saying, Like

455
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen across the league all that much. No, no, no,

456
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to be impressed, but I'm not. Your

457
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: centers from Notre Dame and your quarterbacks from cal The

458
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: communication better be good. I know that I'm saying, Like

459
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: even when you had to put in different guys, like

460
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: in Seattle. When you were in Seattle, you lost Brandon Cooks,

461
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: you lost Cooper Cup Robert Woods out there with two

462
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: guys who really weren't playing all that much or practicing

463
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: all that much likely and they still didn't have any

464
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: of that right, true. So it speaks to the technique

465
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: that they teach, no doubt, And I mean, yeah, look

466
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: what did you call it? And I hate when I

467
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: try to bring this up. How did you describe mcveigh's

468
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: offense again? Oh, it's the illusion of complexity, right, I

469
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: mean it's phrases, that's the thing, very simplistic in the

470
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: personnel groups. It's just how they execute it. So, I mean,

471
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: you should be able to play all three receiver spots

472
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: if you play receiver here. Yeah, both tight ends should

473
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: be able to function wherever they put you. So yeah,

474
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if you have like illegal formation

475
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: penalties a plenty from this football team. You're really not

476
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: doing that much personnel wise. Yeah, I understand, I hear you,

477
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: and I understand what you're saying, but I still think,

478
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: like it's not You're right, It's not like they're going

479
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: into these crazy different formations thirteen to twelve, to eleven

480
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: to ten, back to eleven. No, this is eleven eleven

481
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: maybe twelve? Yes, yeah, And we got thirteen in a

482
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: couple in this particular game, and I think I think

483
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna need that going forward, especially if you have

484
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: a lead on the road and you need the bleed clock. Yep. Yeah, no,

485
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: it was you can pack him in and run the

486
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: football to then, so be it. It was good to

487
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: see that. Um. So do you know the last time

488
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the Rams had two rushers over one hundred yards? Oh?

489
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Let me see. Oh, let's have fun with this. Um

490
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: it was a regular season game. I assume it was

491
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: a regular season game because it had never happened in

492
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: the postseason since I said that three minutes ago. Can

493
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: I at least say both backs were Pro Bowl type guys? Oh?

494
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No. Okay, so it's not Stephen

495
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: and Marshall Stephen Jackson, Marshall fall No, So we're moving forward.

496
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: Was it is Stephen Jackson in the equation? Stephen Jackson

497
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: is not in these not in the equation. But you

498
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: did have one rank Marshall, Yes, Marshall falk. So we're

499
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: going all the way back then. What Justin Watson? No,

500
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: who okay, trunk candidate. Trunk candidate had over one hundred

501
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: yards in what game? This was November eleventh, two thousand

502
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: and one Rams versus Carolina Panther. Really I don't remember that.

503
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: I was forty eight to four fourteen. Oh my god, yeah,

504
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: I bet Trunk fell apart right after that game. Maybe

505
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: Marshall had fifteen carries one hundred and eighty three yards,

506
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: two touchdowns and trun of seventy one. I think that

507
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: was only like the first drive. Trung had sixteen carries

508
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five yards touchdown. Hire everybody, yeah,

509
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: hire everybody on. Well, listen, you know what's funny. I'm

510
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: looking at the box score from that game, right, Kurt

511
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: had three interceptions in that game? Oh yeah, this is

512
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: all one. Yeah. Mike Marson care about picks? I know, yeah,

513
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: he didn't care, But I mean, like, how do you

514
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: have three picks and still win forty eight to fourteen.

515
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: That's that is ridiculous. Didn't care. He didn't care about picks.

516
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: They didn't care about turnovers. But yeah, this guy's on

517
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: side kicking up twenty one in the first quarter. I

518
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: mean that explains Look when you win forty eight fourteen

519
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: and you throw and you throw three picks, Yeah, that

520
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: explains a lot about why you know things, why the

521
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Patriots upsetting the Rams in that Super Bowl. Sorry to

522
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, bring up bad memories everyone, but like that

523
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: explains a lot, huge, huge, big time. No one had

524
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots that year and here you are. But yeah,

525
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean you had to go all the way back

526
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: there to two thousand and one to get to where

527
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: we are now. And I would bet like Marshall and

528
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: trunk speed guy, and I would say elusive, supreme and

529
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: Marshall falk right. It wasn't as punishing as what you

530
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: just saw on Saturday. Probably not No, not even close. C. J.

531
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: Anderson should be legal. The way he runs the blow

532
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: that is many ironhead, Heyward. That ain't fair when your

533
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: defensive front is not giving you much and as a

534
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: free safety, you gotta come up and hit that on

535
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: a dead run. Man, I would be piss going back

536
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: to the huddle. Oh my god, I'll be cussing everybody out. Look, look,

537
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: either you help me or he's gonna score, because I'm

538
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: not giving my head up to this guy again. How

539
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: do you explain C. J. Anderson Just I mean the

540
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: fact that he was on baically on street. Right, Yeah,

541
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: he's a street free agent that you picked up week sixteen,

542
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: and he's averaging one hundred and forty yards rushing over

543
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: three games. How do you explain that you can't something

544
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: screwy in Carolina? There's something going there's something funny going

545
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: on in Carolina. Well, I don't even know that it's that,

546
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: because Christian McCaffrey had one of the better seasons that

547
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: are running back had. Well, maybe maybe it's there's something

548
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: screw in Oakland, right, Okay, fair enough, because you know

549
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: if you cut you, Oakland is the one that cut

550
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: that guy the second time. I can understand why Carolina

551
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: did in some ways because you're going to give those

552
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: snaps to Christian McCaffrey anyway. Right, But you know, there's

553
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: something screw ething in maybe maybe maybe not, I don't know.

554
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: In Denver, you know is Philip Lindsay and Philip Lindsay

555
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: had a great year. But it's just that shouldn't happen. Well,

556
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: it seems like he is ready for a starring role.

557
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, he considers himself a starter, and it's hard

558
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: to deny that the way he's played, right, So, okay,

559
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: Oakland may not have been what he's looking for, or

560
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: the you should usage plan wasn't didn't gibe with how

561
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: he thought, right, Caroline. Obviously it's McCaffrey show, Okay, So

562
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: here Todd Gurley is out, so is Malcolm Brown. You're

563
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: gonna get your starring roles. So he gets to do

564
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: what he always thought he could do, rumble, and he

565
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do it twenty five times a game

566
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: going into the postseason. He's also going to split carries

567
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: with Todd Gurley. So at the end of this, I

568
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: think when you signed him, Okay, who is c. J. Anderson?

569
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: At the end of this, you're going to know exactly

570
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: who he is, not just the Rams, the entire league

571
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: right again, Yes, and it's just but C. J. Anderson

572
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: is playing. I mean, he's playing at a high level

573
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: as he's ever played in his career right now, and

574
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of it obviously has to do with the

575
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. But I just think it's just this kind

576
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: of special situation, you know, where sometimes you just get

577
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the perfect fit and circumstances. I mean, this happens in

578
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. It's not just football, it's in life.

579
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: Circumstances can put you in a position where, man, you're

580
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: just not the right fit for whatever job it is

581
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: that you have. You know, new leadership comes in, something happens,

582
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's just like, man, I

583
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: am not the right fit here, right, And you know,

584
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: you may be out of a job for a little bit, right,

585
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, this next situation comes along,

586
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: and just by circumstances, you get that and you really

587
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: get to show who you are and what you can do,

588
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: no doubt. Like, I think that this is not just

589
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: this isn't just you know, a story about a football player.

590
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I really think that this is a good microcosm for

591
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: what can happen in life, just in different situations. Let's

592
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: just happened to this show I have known? Oh my god,

593
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: where did you just go? I really I think I

594
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: went a little deep a little bit. Oh my god,

595
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: what I think you just went a little Diane Soierie

596
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: on me here, Michael too much? No, that's all right, No,

597
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I get you. It's do you remember the movie The

598
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: Terminator too, the big blockbuster. You might have been too

599
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: young for it. But you know, I've not seen this movie.

600
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: Edward Furlong, the guy that played um, what was his name,

601
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: John Connor? They picked him off the street. Really yeah.

602
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: They were looking for a a character that looked like

603
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: him with no acting experience. We like you, you're going

604
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: to become a big star, and he was ready for

605
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: the moment. I think it's the same thing with C. J. Anderson.

606
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity and he's ready for the moment.

607
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: Not only am I going to just fill in, I'm

608
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: going to maximize this whole deal. Yeah yeah, I mean,

609
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: you've got a great car, and like the Daytona five hundred,

610
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: you might as well run the hell out of the

611
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: damn thing. Oh. Absolutely. It just reminds me of what

612
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: my high school football coach used to say about luck.

613
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, I remember he said this before our first

614
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: rivalry game back in two thousand and nine, when I

615
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: was a senior and we hadn't beat our rival US

616
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: or university school since like two thousand and two, right,

617
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: and so he said, you know a lot of people

618
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: are going to tell you good luck. Says good luck

619
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: is when preparation meets opportunity, And I know you guys

620
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: have prepared, and so you're going to have this opportunity

621
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: and all you gotta go do is execute and capitalize.

622
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: I like it. Luck favors the world prepared man, it does. Yeah,

623
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: if you're ready to go, then make your own luck.

624
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: That's what did Chuck Knox, the Great Chuck Knox used

625
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: to tell us when I was a rookie. Proper preparation

626
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: prevents pe poor performance. I can't say the other. Yes, yeah,

627
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: but it's not luck, it's just proper preparation. Yes, So,

628
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I think it's great to see

629
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: what C. J. Anderson's doing, and I think that he

630
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: brings something that is a little bit different than what

631
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley. Can you ring You've never taken this to

632
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: New Orleans. No, No, as a football team, I'm racking

633
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: my brain. You've always had great bell cow backs or

634
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: at least a few Marshall then you have Stephen. Stephen

635
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: carried it for years, but you've never really had two

636
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: guys that are a two headed monster that are really

637
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: just putting that much pressure on a defense. Yes, you

638
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, I mean this is like

639
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: what Kamara and Ingram is giving the Saints. I mean

640
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: it's it's the same run blocking schemes, but it's a

641
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: completely different back carrying the rock. It is. Yeah, so

642
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: your calls and how you play those certain calls or

643
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: defense on defense are going to be a little bit screwball.

644
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: And if you make a mistake with the wrong back

645
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: out and around he goes, or if you play it

646
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: too thin. CJ. Anderson runs right through your chest. Absolutely does.

647
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: And that's something that he just does that I love.

648
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: He just gives, puts his foot in the ground and boom,

649
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: just gets up the front. I don't know if there's

650
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: any Ironhead Hayward video on YouTube, but look up Ironhead

651
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Hayward video. Ironhead Hayward, Ironhead Craig Ironhead Hayward. Okay, yeah,

652
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: his name is Ironhead. It tells you all you need

653
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: to know about him. Yeah, I mean watch the styles.

654
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: It's the body types are almost the same. CJ's a

655
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: little shorter, but it's the same deal. I mean, this

656
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: dude is a rolling ball of butcher knives. Yes, if

657
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: you're not playing the run upfront the way you're supposed to,

658
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: and this guy keeps getting to the second level, getting

659
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: to your secondary, he's gonna put one of them out right, Yeah,

660
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna get sick of hitting this dude. Yeah, And

661
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: so I think that's part of what's going on. What

662
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I really liked was how the Rams sort of interchange

663
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: Todd and then also CJ on the same drive, because

664
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of like what you were just saying, New

665
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Orleans does this with Alvin kamaraon mark Ingram. You will

666
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: see them on the same drive. They will go out,

667
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: they'll go in, They'll do whatever they have to do,

668
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: and then that's how they get down fielding into the

669
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: end zone. I mean, in that second quarter when the

670
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Rams were getting on their run and then they were

671
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: able to go up twenty to seven, CJ and Todd

672
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: were both just kind of switching things off on some drive.

673
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: There was the first drive that they scored the touchdown.

674
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Todd was starting started the drive he got like eight yards,

675
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: was able to make sure that they're getting down the field,

676
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: and I think Jared had three consecutive completions, and to me,

677
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: that sort of started to open things up a little

678
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: bit more with the linebackers because they couldn't necessarily just

679
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: key in on the line of scrimmage and you know,

680
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: Jayalen Smith and Layton vander esh Shaun Lee. They all played,

681
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: but I thought that they the Rams really did a

682
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: great job of just kind of taking them out. Oh yeah,

683
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Shaan Lee had I mean a rough outing. Yes, I

684
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: mean there were some well he's I thought Jayleen Smith

685
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: did too. All three guys were being blocked. I mean,

686
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: they had guys stalking and hunting them up on the

687
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: colusive line. And then if they defeated the block or

688
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: even made the right decision, you had to deal with

689
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: either CJ. Or Todd Gurley in the hole. And I

690
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: think it was one drive to where c J. Anderson

691
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: ran through Sean Lee, then he ran through Vander Esch

692
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: or the other guy, and then Todd Gurley came in

693
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: and did the exact same thing, just hit a gap

694
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: and took off and went. So I mean, and those

695
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: are good linebackers. That was the strength of the football

696
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: team on defense. Yes, yeah, So, I mean, just imagine

697
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: if you can get the same sort of oom, the

698
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: same sort of intensity going forward, the world is your oyster.

699
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: If you can run the ball in block like that,

700
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what defense you have. Absolutely and then

701
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: look they this Ram's offensive line feels like they can

702
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: run the ball on anybody. Especially if you've got two

703
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: backs that are executing as well as C. J. Anderson

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: and Todd Gurley are, then you're you're in golden position. Absolutely.

705
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to be in the offensive line

706
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: meeting room. I would. Um, well, it scares me too

707
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: because it's run by Roger Witt and and and selling. Yeah. Yeah,

708
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: they're the the the judges of the Kangaroo court. So

709
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: in other words, um, they're dolling out the fines. Yeah,

710
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: and they're making all the rules. I mean, that's that's

711
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: a tough environment for any young dude. But you're gonna

712
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: learn a lot about football. You're gonna learn a lot

713
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: about what it takes to be good in this in

714
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: this league. But that's a tough for him to be in.

715
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, it's the bar has been raised, man.

716
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, not to make mistakes, to show up every

717
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Sunday or Saturday whenever you're playing, and to play your

718
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: best ball. Um, you know that all starts to me

719
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: left to right. Absolutely, they're they're all playing great football,

720
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: but they're also being led by some great great veterans.

721
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: I thought Andrew Whitworth played is as good as he

722
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: has all year in that game, Um, girly thirty five

723
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, which was a a great sign just to

724
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: see Todd Guruley run it like that. Yeah, after being

725
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: off since week sixteen, Gazelle was losing. Oh yeah, yeah

726
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: when he puts it, when he starts moving him look

727
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: like he's moving a fast because his legs are so long.

728
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: But oh my goodness, breakaway speed is a Jerry Curl

729
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: and rexpecs and that's Dickerson right well on that play though, Um,

730
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: what do you you called it? Twofur? Right? A twofer? Yeah?

731
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: What Demandrew Witworth blocks two guys on the same play?

732
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just call it a great block. Well

733
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: it's not just one, it's two. Just it's a great block. Absolutely,

734
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: he's Look if I've heard this for years now, Um,

735
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: you can't trade one for one in this league meaning

736
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: what meaning one block or one man you'll lose, you know.

737
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: So somebody out there is either on defense is gonna

738
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: have to beat two guys or somebody on offense is

739
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to block two if you want to have

740
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: big plays. Um, and that's only a reserve for special

741
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: guys that can do it. Take care of your guy,

742
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: make sure he's finished out of the play, and then

743
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: go find M d M. The most dangerous. Yes, yeah, yeah,

744
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean no shock that your most veteran guy is

745
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: the guy that keeps doing it again and again and again.

746
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: And it's so impressive to me. I mean, like, Andrew

747
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: Witworth is not a young he's not a spritting chicken. Man. No,

748
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: but you know, it was funny I think at some

749
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: point last week, being vague joke though, Andrew Whitworth looks

750
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: like a rookie out there, and he did, man like

751
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: a really good season. I know what I'm doing, but

752
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm moving like a rookie kind of guy. He looked youthful,

753
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: he did. This is what I mean. The finish line

754
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: is in sight for him. Man. Yeah, yeah, you put

755
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: everything aside and look, you're still a young man. You're

756
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: old in football, but you're still a young man. It's true.

757
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: And you think about it, right, You're never going to

758
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: be this close again. You were sick, you might not. Yeah,

759
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, You're never going to be this

760
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: close again. That's that's what I took out of his

761
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: body language. For somebody who had been in the postseason

762
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: seven times before. I believe this was his eighth time,

763
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: and this is his first playoff win, and it's you know.

764
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh talked about it. Jared Goff talked about it.

765
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: It's so cool to see somebody like that who's been

766
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: through as much as he's been through in the league

767
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: finally get that first playoff win, no doubt. And he

768
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: brought his kids into the locker room. Yeah, all cracked

769
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: me up. They're just following him around and they looked

770
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: just like him. One of them was doing the flaw stands.

771
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: Ye see that. But he was like he walked out

772
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: and he was heading towards, like, you know, the training room,

773
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: and his kids weren't right behind him. So he said,

774
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: hey boy, and then all of a sudden, he's two

775
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: kids popped out of nowhere. It's just funny. It was

776
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: just funny, like, wow, I get it, good stuff. Yes, yeah,

777
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: he's building others, you know, so followed dad's example. But

778
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: just that environment, sharing it with your family, you know,

779
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: it meant a lot to him, of course, and somebody

780
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: else that I want to bring up in just in

781
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: terms of like the longevity of their career, saffled getting

782
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: his first playoff win back. Yeah, Roger deserves it, man,

783
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: he does. I told him that. Yeah, the game, after

784
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: he was done speaking, I told him, man like, congratulations,

785
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: you deserve heck, yeah, he deserves it. He plays as

786
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: hard as anybody. And for all the credit we give Wet,

787
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: you can say the same about Roger Rogers out there

788
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: kicking ass too. I mean absolutely, point of attack. I

789
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: think he's one of the best combo wocking guards in

790
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the league. Agreed. As far as getting the piece of

791
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: a guy getting to the second level, I mean and

792
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: getting there with violence, Yeah, you'll be hard for us

793
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: pressed to find another guy that's better at combo blocking

794
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: than Roger Roger Staffeld. Yeah, and it's just it's I

795
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's a good story because you know, he's

796
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: been around the team since two and ten. Yeah, yeah,

797
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, like he was drafted, you know, to be

798
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: prayed with Bradford, and obviously that didn't necessarily work out

799
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: that well. But from the standpoint of he has stayed

800
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: the course, and he said this that he wanted to

801
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: finish what he started here and so now to be

802
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: able to get to the postseason two times in a row,

803
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: first of all, but then win that first postseason game

804
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: as the longest tenured Ram right now, Like, I think

805
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: that's very special. They gotta give him a lot of

806
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: quick thank god for a failed physical in Oakland. Yep, yeah,

807
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: thank god. Absolutely. Yeah. He's been through it. I mean,

808
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: and when I say he's been through it, he's been

809
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: through it all the highs and the load, no kidding. Yeah,

810
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: He's been bumped around left, left tackle, right tackle, left guard,

811
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He's been injured, he's been in and out.

812
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: People have been high on him, they've been down on him,

813
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: and here we are. Listen. I remember when Sean McVeigh

814
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: got hired. One of the things he kept saying was, look,

815
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: you you watched the tape in the last few weeks

816
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: of the twenty sixteen season of the LA Rams. You

817
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: saw Roger Saffold play basically every position except for center,

818
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: And so he said, you know, we want to make

819
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: sure we give him a place and let him excel.

820
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: And they've done that. Rogers probably played his best football

821
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: of his career last season, and a couple of seasons

822
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: good luck were placing him. I mean, that's a whole

823
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: lot of experience tied up in one guy that's actually

824
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: playing one position that he's great at. Yeah, good luck,

825
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no kidding. All right, So the two things

826
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I do want to bring up that are sort of

827
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: they're about the game, but they're sort of tingentially tied

828
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: to other larger media stories. So did you read the

829
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: story and this tisn't what we're really just talking about.

830
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Did you read the story on the Ringer about the

831
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: rams and like how they were able to diagnose the

832
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive front. Oh, something about signals they told their hands. Yes,

833
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: they picked up on all these tips and tells from

834
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defensive line. Yeah, I told you. It's an

835
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: old scheme, yes exactly. Yeah. So I mean you can

836
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: tell by where they line up where they're going to be,

837
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: no matter where they start, right. Yeah, So I'll do

838
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: our segment called reading where I read something. But this

839
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: this comes from the Ringer again, so it's a quote

840
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: from Awesome blythe and he said, usually they like to

841
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: play a three technique, but if you got a little

842
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: wider and look like he was going to play from

843
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the left or right tackle, he's going to slant out

844
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: and we were going to get another movement from the

845
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: other side. Too, and if the defensive tackle is going

846
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: to come in, the tell is going to come from

847
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the other side. And so then the offices. I asked

848
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Blythe how often the tell's accurately predicted the Cowboys play call?

849
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: And Blythe said plus ninety percent, no doubt. So how

850
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: did the ram? How are the rams able to you know,

851
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: be so effective against the run and in the past

852
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: protection game That was definitely part of it. So that

853
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: goes into the film study, and I think it also

854
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: goes into having that bye week and being able to

855
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: dive in that much. True, And like we said, and

856
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: you you factor in and you know, there's a lot

857
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: of talk about Sean McVay being a genius. Anybody that

858
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: he comes in contact with gets head coaching job, YadA, YadA, YadA. Right, Yeah,

859
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: and the scheme isn't that complicated. We just said that

860
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: here on this show. But it's not about the x's

861
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: and os and where guys are running or how you're

862
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: running the football, or what the blocking schemes are. Everybody

863
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: has that. It's how he's doing it. Yeah, how he's

864
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: getting to certain plays. And you know, those tells have

865
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: been out there for a while. You know, It's not

866
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: that hard to read what Dallas is doing. But you

867
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: you have to beat them at it. You have to

868
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: outquick them. And I said this before. I think it

869
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: was it might have been Todd's run the touchdown, the

870
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: long touchdown run where they got the nose tackle scooped

871
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: and the three technique scooped. There's no one left to

872
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: stop the ball. Yeah. Right, So you've got guys on

873
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: both linebackers and both of your tackles where you put

874
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: where you set them to stop the run, or one

875
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: gap removed. You've just blown a hole in the entire defense. Right. Yeah.

876
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: I would love to say you and I could have scored,

877
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: but I mean that's a huge holder us Todd Gurley

878
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: described it as the Red Sea parting. There's no backside

879
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: pursuit and the front side is blown out. Yeah, you

880
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: better score, yea. If you can't score with that, you're fired.

881
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Well you know what was funny? You can't block it

882
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: any better. You can't put that in the end zone.

883
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Well he did put it in the end I'm just saying,

884
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: all right, if you go out in the one, I

885
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: don't want to hear. Just keep on running, keep the pads.

886
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: We'll get we'll get more. Well, you know, you know

887
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: what's funny. We're talking to CJ on Sunday after the game,

888
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: and so he was in the in the he was

889
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and he was saying, like, you know,

890
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm good from the forty end. That's where my home

891
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: run hitting speed is. Todd's good from like seventy maybe eighty,

892
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: because that's just the difference anywhere. Yes, yeah, yeah, I

893
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: mean there's there's a guy that's that's built to be

894
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: a wrecking ball, and there's a guy that's you know,

895
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: that can do it all. You know, any carry could

896
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: be the one that hits the end zone. But I mean,

897
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: when you think about what CJ gives you, I mean,

898
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: it's carries, it's physical, and it's time yep, I mean

899
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's basically every first down he picks up

900
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and just chalk up four or five minutes.

901
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I mean the rams at two to

902
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: one time of possession in that first half, it was

903
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: basically twenty minutes of ten minutes. Yeah, you were dictating it.

904
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: You were absolutely dictating. Did you somebody tell me time

905
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: of possession didn't matter? People Miles you did say that.

906
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: That's since since we're bringing up that's what we said,

907
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: that's what you should That's what I'm saying that that

908
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: you should have told me about that that I should

909
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: eat some crow friend. No, no, I'm not doing that.

910
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: But the Rams have one time of possession in the

911
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: last three weeks, right, Yeah, it matters when you're trying

912
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: to win the game. That's my biggest philosph I think

913
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: it matters in the fourth quarter. I think it matters

914
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: in terms of like if you're trying to keep an

915
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: explosive offense off the field. It's going to matter this

916
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: week against New Orleans, absolutely, but no doubt there are

917
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: there are ways of making it not matter as much.

918
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you're getting like in the game against

919
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco week seventeen, you're not going to win time

920
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: of possession when you're defense gets a couple of takeaways

921
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: and you put it in the box on the first

922
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: couple drives. That's where I'm saying it doesn't matter as much.

923
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes it's overrated, But sometimes it's also

924
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: very telling. The faster they score, the slower I go

925
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: on offense. That's usually the way it works. Yeah, like

926
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: if you it Breeze comes out and hits you and

927
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: scores in two plays, then my next drive is going

928
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: to be fifteen Yes, yeah, I'm going to punish the defense,

929
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: leave him on the field, and then next time Breeze

930
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: takes the field or whoever takes the field against me,

931
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: he's got three minutes. Well, the Saints did that against

932
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: the Eagles, right exactly. I don't know how long that

933
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: drive it was. It was. It was the longest postseason

934
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: scoring drive, I want to say in NFL history, one

935
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, because it lasted over eleven minutes. That's

936
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: impressive stuff to me. In the postseason. That's the stuff

937
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: that matters versus big plays. Everybody wants big play touchdowns.

938
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to score, But if you can go

939
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: fifteen to nineteen plays without making a mistake and just

940
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: grind them down, that will win you a championship. Definitely

941
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: win you that game for sure. Yeah, No, you're o kidding,

942
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: all right. So the second thing I wanted to bring

943
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: up his bulletin board material. Oh boys, and so did

944
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: you see Chris Myers talking to Jared Goff post game?

945
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and a key to lead comes in and

946
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: he says, taking souls and take no bleeping souls out there. So,

947
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: my god. So for guys they don't like the media,

948
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: they love to get on camera, right, But so what

949
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: was interesting about that? So I remember reading that quote

950
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: from my one of my counterparts, David Hollman, works for

951
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, does a really good job for them.

952
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: But I read that quote. It must have been Friday, Thursday, Friday,

953
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and I didn't think that much of it,

954
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: but apparently I definitely should have. So the quote was

955
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence said he's a quarterback. I don't like quarterbacks.

956
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: My impression is the same, and I think us they

957
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: asked him about impressions of Jared Goff. So he says,

958
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I go into every week wanting to take the quarterback soul.

959
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: When you get to look in a man's eye and

960
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: see fear in his heart beats, when you know you've

961
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: got him, that's how I play the game, and that's

962
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: how we're going to dictate. That's were going to dictate

963
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: the game. So basically, Robert Clemco of Sports Illustrated wrote

964
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: this entire article about sort of that quote in the

965
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: way the Rams reacted to it, and it was so

966
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: interesting to me because when you see keep to lead

967
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: basically go on live TV and be like they didn't

968
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: take no bleefing souls out there, and then Jared Goff

969
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: response to that by saying, now he's right though, Like,

970
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: that is clearly something that the Cowboys gave the Rams

971
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: and bulletin board material. They focused in on it, and

972
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: it motivated them throughout the course of that game. Not

973
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: necessarily to win the game, you know what I mean,

974
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: but it just gave them that little extra edge, you know,

975
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: I like it. I mean, look if back in the day,

976
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean when Mike Tyson was ready to fight, you

977
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: kept the jokes to a minimum because you you weren't

978
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: sure what was going to set him off, right, anything

979
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: considered disrespectful, it's it's coming out. It's not necessarily you.

980
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: He's just in a different mode. So I think this

981
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: team was in a different absolutely, And look like we

982
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: said that that. I keep saying this, you couldn't have

983
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: picked a better first round opponent because of the hype

984
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: that comes with Dallas. Yes, all this stuff that comes out,

985
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: all the fans that will ignore what you've done and

986
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: talk more about them. Great fired them up. Yes, I

987
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: expected out of t leib I do. I was so

988
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: glad that Jared goff Co signed. He's right, yes, exactly.

989
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: So it was funny just reading that thing from Clemcoe

990
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: because he also quoted Andrew Whitworth is saying, ask for

991
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: Lawrence's soul SATs goodness, soul snatching, soul snatching comment. Yeah, anyway,

992
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: ask for Lawrence's soul snatching comment. We heard it. Whitworth

993
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: said he didn't get crap all night and they got buried.

994
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: I think we said all we need to say, see yes, postseason,

995
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, see if this was the regular season, you

996
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: might pooh pooh that because you've got to you know,

997
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: you may see him down the road whatever, you're done

998
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: with him for the year. Yep, say what you want now, yeah, yeah,

999
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: And that is that's difference with postseason football. Man. It's exciting,

1000
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: you know. And I was walking up the tunnel after

1001
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: the game, right behind him, DeMarcus Lawrence, and he was

1002
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: looking for the gate. Oh yeah, he was ready to go.

1003
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: He was ready to go. And Sean Lee Shan Lee

1004
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: was they they were they were tired, they were beat up,

1005
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: and frankly, I think they were a little bit in shock. Maybe, yeah,

1006
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they underestimated what they what this offense was

1007
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: going to give them. Look, I don't think anybody expected

1008
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: accept the men in that that locker room you know,

1009
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: up at Kowlou right now to go out and basically

1010
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: beat the breaks off of them in the run game.

1011
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I would expect it more if you're if

1012
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: you're in New Orleans and you get caught slipping against

1013
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: the run, that's your fault. Because this has been three

1014
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: weeks in a row. Now, Yes, yeah, the Rams are

1015
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: a different football team running the ball with C. J.

1016
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: Anderson now in the mix. Yes, yeah, it's it's it's brutal,

1017
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: it's more physical. So it wasn't like the Rams were

1018
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: just you know, slouches before. I mean, they girly put

1019
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: up two hundred and eight right against Denver, so they

1020
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: pushed Denver around the Denver you know, that was another

1021
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: game where Denver had been running the ball so well,

1022
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: the Rams run defense shut them down, and then the

1023
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: Rams offense was able to go out there and control

1024
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: the game basically the entire time by going by rushing

1025
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: as well as they did. So, I mean the games,

1026
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I feel right, game has always been dynamic. No, no,

1027
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. It's just they've added a physicality

1028
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: to it now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they're they're they're

1029
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: numbing teeth with this, the way they're running and the

1030
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: way they're blocking. Yes, so it's a it's a little

1031
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: bit of an extra added dimension to the run game now, exactly.

1032
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: So I am really looking forward to the rest of

1033
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: this week. So the way NFC Championship Week works and

1034
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: really AFC Championship Week, basically all the players are gonna

1035
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: have a lot of pressers now, so we're gonna get

1036
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: a lot of sound from Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we'll be

1037
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: able to talk about that. You and I will be

1038
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: able to talk about some of it on Thursday, and

1039
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: then of course we're going to have our Friday podcast

1040
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: as well. Awesome, So we'll go through the entire week

1041
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: and make sure we go to do that very lots

1042
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is there any your biggest takeaway? I should say,

1043
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: what is your biggest takeaway from that matchup going into

1044
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: the practice week? Oh man, you mean coming out of Saturday. Yeah,

1045
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: coming out of Saturday, coming out of the weekend in general.

1046
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: Way to pay it off if just as a franchise

1047
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: to your fan base. Yeah, way to pay it off.

1048
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: You got a division win, a playoff win in front

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Speaker 1: of your home crowd. And when you go back to

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Speaker 1: when the Rams first came back January twelfth, twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: what the goal was, what the goal is, and what

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Speaker 1: it needed to be to keep the fan base growing.

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Speaker 1: He's given it to you inside of two seasons and

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Speaker 1: they're talking about Sean and there's more to come. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean that was awesome. And the players, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at some point, as coaches, I mean, you do

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Speaker 1: the best you can to get them prepared, but it's

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Speaker 1: all about those guys that take the field. It is.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the men and the helmets and the

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Speaker 1: uniform in the pads that are going through all this

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Speaker 1: at this point. And it seems on defense they've accepted

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Speaker 1: the challenge offensively. I mean, they've gone to a whole

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Speaker 1: new level. So just strap yourself in. It ain't over yet,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. Buckle Uh yeah, all right, everybody, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning into this edition of Between the Horns.

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Speaker 1: We will see you on Thursday. Until then, have a

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Speaker 1: rate one. Everybody,