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Speaker 1: shy here. Well then, because I think what happens is

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00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: guys will guys will get a dog that's strong in

428
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: one area. He likes this dog, but he's got weakness here,

429
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: and so he'll breed another dog trying to create eliminate

430
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: the weakness, but actually he just gets more of the same.

431
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, I keep I keep having to repeat myself,

432
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: but in the bear hunting article in there, oh no,

433
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: I just forgot my my trade of thought. I was

434
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: watching the Clean the Table. H yeah, start overs. Yeah,

435
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: back me up. Okay, what what I've what I've heard

436
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: people say is don't breed a dog that you wouldn't

437
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: want another one exactly. Yeah, I mean, don't don't breed

438
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: dogs just to be breeding dogs, if you if you

439
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: like you know, I want to know the buster. I

440
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: want another Stella. And I told Colton on the way down,

441
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of crosses in mind, and if

442
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: something works here in the next couple of months, we're

443
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: gonna have another one of them supercrosses. Okay, and I

444
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: already know how it's gonna work out. Okay, But but

445
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: but I I want to I want to produce even

446
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: higher than I have have produced, or at least that

447
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: at least that good. And you know, don't ever, there's

448
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: a I guess you'd call a famous strand of dogs

449
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: bare dogs that started and then and the guy is

450
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: a really good guy, and and he he tells that

451
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: he began with a female that needed corrected in this

452
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: and this and this and this department, like five or

453
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: six departments. Okay, and guess what it's been. She's been

454
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: dead for twenty five years. And that line of dogs

455
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: still needs corrected, and also that you do you just

456
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to get started with the greatest

457
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: thing you can possibly find, and if if you can't,

458
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 1: then stand in line, get a pup out of it,

459
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: out of what you're looking for, and then go from

460
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: there do everything you can post. So have you ever

461
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: done I mean, I guess you've done outcrossing that different times?

462
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: When do you outcross? You know? You don't? You don't know.

463
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: And once again that'll be an argument. You know, if

464
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: we were sitting around guys, they'll say, oh, eventually you

465
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: have to, but no, no, you don't know what you do.

466
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: Why why would you if you if you had a

467
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs that you could we rate nine and tens,

468
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: why would you outcross to another strain that's that that

469
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: only produces sixes and sevens? Well what if they produce

470
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: nines too? Though? It's I mean, but you know what

471
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I know what. They're not out there. Yeah,

472
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but they're not. I mean, I know I'm

473
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm saying that that each of us probably

474
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: has our Well, I guess the question I'm asking is

475
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: that if you had some really good dogs from another

476
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: family dogs and he had another totally said, I mean

477
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: they getting meat and tail way back, same breed of dogs.

478
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean that still may not work. Well, no, no,

479
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: because there's you can have pure milk and you can

480
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: have pure oil. Both of them are your necess necessities. Okay,

481
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: but if you put them together, what do you got

482
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: you gotta miss? So what I'm saying, I mean, I'm sorry,

483
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: And this is what it's worked for you. We said

484
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: this at the beginning, but I like here and your

485
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: unfiltered thoughts, because this is the way that you've done it,

486
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: and it's worked for you. If you include I have

487
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: all these pictures here, If you include dead's dogs, we

488
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: have a living generations. Okay. And with that old trouble

489
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: female is that that got out of the creek when

490
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I was four years old? Well who and you told

491
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: me to just speak out, and I really kind of

492
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: hate you. Who can claim the same that for sixty

493
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: six years the very first dog you ever saw, is

494
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: you you still have that line, that very same line

495
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: of dogs eleven generations later, sixty six years later, that

496
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: would be six years per strain. Nobody can say that.

497
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, we didn't have to keep jumping

498
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: from one strain to another strain to another strainer to

499
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: try to find him. Dad started with what he thought

500
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: was the best, and we bread to the best, and

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: we still have that same line of dogs right here

502
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: and there is consistent. Is opened up a can of

503
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, viing a sausage. I mean, they're all just Steve.

504
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: Have you could so with your history with breeding thirdbred

505
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: horses and cattle and different things, are there any are

506
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: there parallels? Are there anything that you learned? Well? Yes, okay,

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: the the quarter horse people finally kind of made it

508
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: okay to breed real close and nobody in the horse world.

509
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: It takes too long to do. You know, nine three

510
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: there in forty days for a baby colt to be

511
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: born from the time it's conceived, and then you got

512
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: another year before you get it all weaned and you know,

513
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: started in training. Then you have another year before you

514
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: find out what it's gonna do, whether it's a roping horse,

515
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: a race horse, or whatever. It takes so long and

516
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: so much energy and so much time too. You can't

517
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: experiment like you can space with game chickens. By the way,

518
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: game chickens where I still keep some around just for fun.

519
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: And and they were the first people to really start

520
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: learning how to breed animals. Okay, then the dogs, you

521
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: can do that, because you can. You know, you get

522
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: two letters pups a year. But they're afraid. There's the

523
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: third red people in the quarter. Of course, people are

524
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: still afraid to breed really really close. You just don't.

525
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: You just don't see it happening. And I would like to.

526
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting too old to do it. But

527
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: what I did when I took my I had a

528
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: staying named Speeding Niuginski and and his dad was a

529
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: famous horse from from uh He won the trouble crown

530
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: in Europe. Okay. And what I did was I looked

531
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: for for for mayors that were very close to him,

532
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: and I took him from a slaughter truck. I was

533
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: he was gonna get loaded onto hold of the slaughter

534
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: and I made him the second leading stade in the

535
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: state of Kansas for several years and his colts earned

536
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: over a million bucks. Okay. And what I did was

537
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: I bread two mayors that that had similar pedigrees to

538
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: what he had. By the way, that would include Seattle,

539
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: Slew and Secretariat. Okay, they came from the same family

540
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: of horse. So using my knowledge of dog breeding, I

541
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: and now I have another staying up there, and and

542
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm doing the same thing I'm trying to find. I'm

543
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: trying to find clig kind of tired of reason over

544
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: and pulling that we could tie them from seating. But

545
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: uh but uh, you know what I'm doing with him

546
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: is doing the same thing. I'm trying to find mayors

547
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that you so you took your dog breeding knowledge, and

548
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna and we have we have a mayor

549
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: right now that I'm gonna prag check money and if

550
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: she's in full, we're gonna see just how far uh

551
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're gonna have a tremendous horse

552
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: that there's no reason for her not to Okay, and

553
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: once again go back, Well, my speeding Agnski's horse, his

554
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: sister won the Kentucky Oaks and she was she was

555
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: purchased for three point four million dollars and took over

556
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: to you know, Arab Emirates or whatever. So we we

557
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: were in the right crowd at the time. But the

558
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Kansas doesn't you know, we're not real big in their

559
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: red breeding up there, and most good horses, bread or

560
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: bread in Kentucky. And once again, those people down are

561
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: spend millions of dollars to breed and they still can't

562
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: produce another their secretariat. Well, you know, people, a lot

563
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: of people think they've produced another barre path of Gunner.

564
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: But the truth is nobody else has. And we may neighbor,

565
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're still trying, okay, And of course Colton

566
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: thinks that Buster could have still ran every step of

567
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: the way with him, and guess what, we'll never know.

568
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: And he might have, He really might have. But they

569
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: don't come by. It's not like picking apples off a tree. Okay.

570
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: There really exceptional ones of anything are are very rare,

571
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, and once again in on

572
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: the plot boards, you know, when we've done a lot

573
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: of arguing, some people say, oh my god, the dogs

574
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: are so much better than they used to be in

575
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: the horse are better than the used tob I said, well, secretary, record,

576
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: we're set in nineteen seventy three. All three of them,

577
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: the Preakness of elmat in the Kentucky Tory. They've never

578
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: been touched, no one's ever run close to them. So

579
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: and hey, that is a good question that I think

580
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask, probably on all the forums

581
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: for any kind of dog, is that, Yeah, do you

582
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: think the dogs are getting better? There's more good dogs.

583
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: There's more good dogs because people in this day and

584
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: age won't keep the junk, and a lot of times

585
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: people just kept junk. A lot of people just kind

586
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: of like to have a dog tied out there. But

587
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: but there's I don't know where to go lay my

588
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: hands on another Gunner or another Stella or another Buster

589
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: or another you know, uh time X of Joe Hudson's

590
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: or you know those super dogs. I don't I don't

591
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: know where to go find one right this minute. Okay,

592
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: I mean we're all hoping we have that we have one.

593
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: But if you haven't seen exceptional, you don't know how

594
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: to rate exceptional. Okay, that's that's that's something else that

595
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: we say. Joe Hudson, I say the same thing. If

596
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, you don't really know what you're

597
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, you think you do, So would you

598
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: say that you're trying to like hold the line though,

599
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you think about no. But but

600
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: once again, we're producing at such a high level that

601
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: each person that gets them thinks it's the rest of

602
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: redist dog they've ever had. Once again, the Jackpot, you

603
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: know up there, Stubby Ryan, stubble Phils Jackpot is just

604
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: an exceptional dog. Okay. And and they're out there there,

605
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean even you know, there's several of that of

606
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: that generation out there. Talk to me about the differences

607
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: between dogs and the literacty because you know, we all

608
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: know that not every dog, I mean, even a well bred,

609
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: well bred litter, not every dog is going to be

610
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: a phenomenal dog phenomen as they So you know, you're

611
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: trying to as a breeder. One of the key things

612
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: in breeding, I believe because I've seen it in other

613
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: breeders as well as that you've got to keep your

614
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: eye on a whole litteral dogs. You know, a lot

615
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: of guys and other different uh disciplines of dog. Uh.

616
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: You might have a litter of pups and sell these

617
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: pups and lose track ups, so you don't really know,

618
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: you don't get that feedback. Bear hunters are very good.

619
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Big game hunters are good keeping dogs close or keeping

620
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: keeping reports, getting reports back on dogs. And yeah, when

621
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: I sent you know, and you can breed back to

622
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: really good dogs, like, for instance, that when I got

623
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: my fern from you that June, well, I was Bold

624
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: in June when you ended up, you know, keeping track

625
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: of Bolden June. And then you know, Bold ended up

626
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: being a dog that you wanted to bring back into

627
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: And so if you had just been a guy just

628
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: not keeping track, you would have never known about that. No, No,

629
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I know. I when I set a pup to somebody,

630
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: they have to report in you. And the truth is

631
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: if they don't, then they you know, they called me

632
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: back four years later. I know. You know, that's why

633
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: I text you at eleven o'clock at night. And Travis

634
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Staves has always been wonderful. He you know, he just

635
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Travis said a lot of my dogs and he texts

636
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: me from the tree all the time. He used to

637
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: thrill my mom and dad to death. I would be

638
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: in New Mexico or Alreader or Utah or West constin

639
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Michigan and call them from a tree. The dog's barking

640
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: in the background, and my dad would just be thrilled

641
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: to death. Mom said, you ought to see me actually

642
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: like a little kid over here. You know the worst

643
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: they got that bear tree. Listen to this. You can

644
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: hear that just I mean, and he never got to

645
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: go to a tree. Joe Hudson told me that if

646
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I would bring him up there, you know, a year

647
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: before he passed away, that he would carry him to

648
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: a tree. Said if if if we treat a bear,

649
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: I'll carry all the way. So and I wish, I

650
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: wish we would try to, you know, get a one

651
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: of them travois or whatever the Indian people'head, you know,

652
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: get him to the trees so you get the And

653
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: to go back to what I was saying. And I

654
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a real question inside of this question,

655
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: but like like, uh, differences in a litter, Like if

656
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: you have pups, there's gonna be one of them. That's

657
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: that's good. And yeah, Colton and I I'm not saying

658
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: Brenda because brand has been living on his own for

659
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: a long time, but Colton has been at home all

660
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: this time, and we there's there's an odd and I've

661
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: been asked this question, why is it that out of

662
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: the eight pups in the litter, that the two that

663
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: you keep are always the best. And I've seen that happens.

664
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: It's because they get to run loose on the creek.

665
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: They get, they get given every everything in the where

666
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna I have to say it again.

667
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: We don't use electricity on our dogs. We do not

668
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: use it. Uh. My strain of dogs has always been

669
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: wide open. Some people tell me now that they're becoming quiet,

670
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: and the reason they're becoming quiet they can't stand that

671
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: shock there that they still want to hunt, but they're

672
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: afraid to open your mouth because they're afraid somebody's gonna

673
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: bust them. You know what I'm saying, And I so

674
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: what what I'm hearing you say, though, is good. You're

675
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: you're letting these litters run loose. And if so, you

676
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: guys are watching these dogs. Yeah, and that's why when

677
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: we take them anywhere, that's why, when we take them anywhere,

678
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: they're always in shape. Our dogs. You'll never see them

679
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: behind because they've been running loose for so long. They're

680
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: they're slender, and they're ready to get. The very first

681
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: time we hunted with Joe, Jenny and Bernie and Travis

682
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: and all those guys, what what whether What they wrote

683
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: on the plot site was what we were so surprised about.

684
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Steve drove all night long, slept from four o'clock in

685
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: the morning till seven o'clock in the morning three hours

686
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: got up the next day, the dog still on the

687
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: dog box and went hunting, drump loose and Steve dogs

688
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: still ran on the front end, and they said, how

689
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: does that happen? First off, their coon dogs, and they've

690
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: been in to create all this, all the way up here.

691
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: And he gets them out and let some potty and

692
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: stuff a little bit, and all of a sudden they're leading. Uh.

693
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: We took Nelly and Reno up there and and put

694
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: down on a bear. There was seven seven seven trucks,

695
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: dogs hanging out everyone and and Joe Jenny led me

696
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: in there and we put those two dogs down. And

697
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: I said, why do you want these coon dogs to

698
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: start the bear? And let's just see what they'll do.

699
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: And I did and and he said later when he

700
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: was running, said, by the way, we'll never see this

701
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: where he always disappears. And later that day we killed

702
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: that bear. They run him out of the forest, run

703
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: him up the tree. He came down two or three times,

704
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: and he said, that's the first time we've ever seen

705
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: this bear. We've running but we never could see. And

706
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I brought those but the once again. So you're you're

707
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: keeping dogs based upon merit when they're young? What are

708
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you looking for? Because I gotta reel you in here,

709
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Steve so because we were talking about how because you

710
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: guys are sending out all these dogs, and people say,

711
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: how do you guys end up with the good ones?

712
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: You're watching them when they're young? Yeah, what are you

713
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: looking for? What are you looking for in a pub?

714
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Just the best thing in the living? Yeah? Everything? You know?

715
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what your dog bringing those dead rabbits and

716
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: there's somebody's not shooting those rabbits for that dog that

717
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: dogs run me into a hole and getting them, digging

718
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: them out and bring them up there and kill them.

719
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: But okay, the Stella's litter Jinga Darrell uh Stella sender

720
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: uh Michigan Todds wonderful female might be one more anyway,

721
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: at four months and three days old. I have a

722
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: picture of them treat on squirrels in a bluizzard. Now

723
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: I have the picture, and they're they're all treat and

724
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: nur's about six inches of snow on the ground and

725
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: it's snowing hard, and they are locating a con in

726
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: the top of a cottonwood tree. So there's not a

727
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: dead couirl a squirrel, a squirrel, not a bear, not

728
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: a not a mountain lion, but a dang squirrel. Why

729
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: was a squirrel at that? So as a breeder, you're

730
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: you're watching there every day, Yeah, I see you're watching

731
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: on a given day. I handle my pups ten times,

732
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: twelve times. You know what I'm saying. I mean they

733
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: were they go with me, you know, they and and

734
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: um the best pup out of the Reno litter, out

735
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: of Banjo Cindy. He got killed when he's four and

736
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: a half months old. And his name was Banjo too.

737
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe I named a pup after his daddy already.

738
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: Banjo was only fourteen months old when he died, and

739
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: this puff was four months a half months old. Dad

740
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: came in the driveway, brought it, brought a coon in

741
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: a cage. We put it out there. The pupps had

742
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: a scream and fit about it. Uh once again to

743
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: that whole litter, and they all turned out to be

744
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: fantastic dog. So when we got all done, and when

745
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Dad took out there in the old Chevy pick up,

746
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: he threw that coon the back of that thing. And

747
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: he come back in about ten minutes, and I said,

748
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: what's the better? He said, look at this pup. He said,

749
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: this pup was tied onto my bumper. He said, I

750
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: drove halfway to town. He said, this pup won't quit,

751
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: and and and and when he took the pup out,

752
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: the pup run around behind the pick up again and

753
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: start baying on that tail gate that pick up. Now,

754
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: the other pups were bark a little bit, but this

755
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: pup went crazy. Well, that pup tried to take a

756
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: female away from a full grown male dog and was

757
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: killed right there, four and a half months old. But

758
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: he was he was in the Dad said, that's the

759
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: next very pass gunna right there. So I had already

760
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: picked that pup out of that litter to be my replacement, okay,

761
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: and then when he died, Reno stepped up. Okay. But

762
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: but once again, when you get to see it there,

763
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: it's it's unfair advantage for us to be able to

764
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: do this, but that's how we're able to. So you

765
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: don't you're not selling pups when they're six weeks old,

766
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just can't. I can't stand to because

767
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: how you don't know you don't know what you got,

768
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: so you like to sell him at what or you're

769
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: not selling five five or six months? Attributed him at

770
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: five or six months, And that's good. That's a good

771
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: word for you after you've watched him. Oh yeah, because

772
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: I can tell you I can already tell you exactly

773
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: what's gonna what's gonna happen, you know, I can tell

774
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: I can tell you that that little ferns gonna start

775
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: trading and she's gonna start treating and all that sort

776
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: of stuff just run away. So yeah, okay, well, and

777
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: that's a that's a notable thing with uh for a

778
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: dog breeder to be able to do that, to be

779
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: able to watch the dogs that long and you learn

780
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: so much. You know, what I hear you saying, is

781
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: that as because we're you know, on this we're trying

782
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: to talk about breeding big game dogs, is that you've

783
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: got sixty years of history and you've you've noted different

784
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: characteristics about these dogs that and the best ones, the

785
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: best ones from each generation. There were certain traits like

786
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: like Buster, there were certain traits that you you want

787
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: more of those? You know, I want ten more like

788
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: that right there? You know, instead of saying well, I

789
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: guess I'll try to cross and see if I get

790
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: one good puff. That's the way you do. And and

791
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: once again, when you can't do it, then you should quit.

792
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: And and some people some people won't quit. What the

793
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: reputation that the Bluff Creek line has um is consistency.

794
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: And you know exactly exactly you get you get ups

795
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: even like me, uh several years ago, didn't We described

796
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: this on the last podcast. But I have two dogs

797
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: that I got directly from you, and uh and I

798
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: described my dog to a guy and he knew it

799
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: was a Buff Creek dog and he could have told

800
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: me the same thing, and he just said, most of

801
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: those dogs are gonna be like that, you know. And

802
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: uh so so producing that consistency is a significant thing

803
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: with anything. By the way, if you can be consistent

804
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: at whatever you do, if you're a basketball player and

805
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: you can shoot three poinners consistently, that's that's a big deal,

806
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, instead of just saying, hey, I hit one

807
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: last game. You know, so, consistency is extremely important. But

808
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: once again, the only way to be consistent is to

809
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: is to breed your dogs so tightly that there's no

810
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: escape tunnels. There's no way of of of losing that

811
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: stuff unless and unless it's unless it's a frequent nature

812
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: accident or something. You know, we can't have this podcast

813
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: too without hearing you say what you're breeding for, Steve.

814
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: And and let me say that, I I believe that

815
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you're breeding for a really balanced town, a natural balanced

816
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: town that's got a good nose, that's fast, that's gritty

817
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: enough to pressure a bear, but not so greaty to

818
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: get exert exactly, um, that has intelligence, intelligence and locating

819
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: well smaller framed dog. And then but you I want

820
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: to hear, I want to hear you say. You just

821
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: said it every bit of itself. And I'm only gonna

822
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: just say no. But you you have to have why

823
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: would you want a dog? Why would you want a

824
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: dog that that can't outstrike the other people's dogs and

825
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: can't out run the other people's dogs, and he's just

826
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: gonna quit and come out, But or you go ahead

827
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: and find them dead on the ground. I don't want

828
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: that either. And so you want that dog to live

829
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: tenures so you can have a lot of fun with

830
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: it and reproduce. Uh, you know you don't want a

831
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: coward dog. But but I want. I want. I want

832
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: something difference than a lot of true bear hunters do.

833
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: And some of them just want so much grit, and

834
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: they they're you know, they're happy about about the vet bills,

835
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not. Okay, I can't be happy about vet

836
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: bills because I can't pay them, Okay, So and then

837
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I just want. I just thought the point I was

838
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna try to tell you about it going. The hardest

839
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: animal in the world to raise, to me, I mean,

840
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm talking. A racehorse has to run a milk how

841
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: has produced bilk. A fat hog has a show pig

842
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: even has to just look good in the ring and

843
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: then someone butchers him. But a hound has who has

844
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: the nose to strike cold and the brains to run

845
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: a track, and the the ability to pick up a

846
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: loose and the the ability to locate, and the fact

847
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: that they'll stay treed for a long, long, long periods

848
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: of time, even under a rough tree, with rough with

849
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: other rough dogs. And then when the game comes down,

850
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: or if a dame the game does come down, the

851
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: grit to stop it and hold it for hours and

852
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: hours and hours, the endurance to be able to run

853
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours and and the toughness

854
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: for deep water, cold temperatures, rough feet. I mean, the

855
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: list goes on. There's no other animal in the world

856
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: that has to be read to such a consistency of

857
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: high caliber as what a trailhound, a big game hound

858
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: is into me and and and so far no one

859
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: has contradicted that statement, by the way. I mean, you know,

860
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: a show dog has to look pretty in the ring,

861
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 1: you know, but that's all. He doesn't have to doesn't

862
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: have to bark. So there's more specific traits that have

863
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: to guess what that's your point that is, okay, And

864
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: even a voice, a voice loud enough that you can

865
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: hear him, and and and also a natural stream. You

866
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: gotta have all these things that if there's one I'm missing. Okay. Now,

867
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: once again, my dad did not invent that trait, and

868
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I didn't invent that trade, and every wellams didn't, but

869
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: we knew where to go get him from the people

870
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: who did, Okay, And what we were lucky enough to

871
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: do is get that first breathing stock. And we we

872
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: have been able to hold onto dogs that do everything

873
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: I just told you all this time, and we didn't

874
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: inve any of it, but we know how to hang

875
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: onto do gut gut feeling and kind of stepping outside

876
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: the normal way that some people breed animals. You know. So,

877
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: but but never never never never stepped down, never stepped

878
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: backwards and think, well, I'm gonna try this because you

879
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: know this might work. I mean, try it. But if

880
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, please don't rebreath that, don't you know,

881
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: just let it go. Yeah, let me. I'm gonna try

882
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: to summarize, Coulton. You can, you can help me here.

883
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm trying. I'm gonna try to summarize what I've

884
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: heard you so is that you well, family line breeding

885
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: or in breeding is a good thing if if done right,

886
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: you you're never gonna produce traits out of a dog

887
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: that it doesn't already have in it. Um. I've heard

888
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: you say that you've got to you've got to breed.

889
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: You've gotta inside of your breeding program, you've got to

890
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: have access to the best dogs of the litters. And

891
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: you've been able to do that by watching them for

892
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: the first six months of their life, letting them run free,

893
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: seeing how they respond to all the game that are

894
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: running around your house. I mean, so you're you're not

895
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: You're not having to see him chase a bear to

896
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: know that he will chase a bear. Hold On, don't

897
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: stop me. Hold On. There's three and then um, the

898
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: fourth one is you can always amend a mistake in

899
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: breeding by just not breeding again with those dogs, But

900
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: you can never get back a dog that passes away

901
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: that you never bred. You said you'll never You'll never

902
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: regret you, You'll never you The only thing you regret

903
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: is the crosses that you didn't make exactly so. And

904
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: then long periods of time too. I mean, like this

905
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: is like you you've you you're seventy years old, and

906
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: you've been doing this for well, I mean you've been

907
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: around it your whole life, right, and so just you've

908
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: got to evaluate these things based over long, long periods

909
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: of time and experience. Those four things are kind of

910
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: big ones so much. You know, if you if you're

911
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: if your experienced seeing those dogs in the woods every day,

912
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: you kind of know what you're looking well. And you know,

913
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: maybe a fifth thing too, that I heard you say

914
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that maybe needs a little bit of clarification is that

915
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: you are looking for physical traits. I mean, like you said,

916
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: like like a black a darker plot is what the

917
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: Bluff Creek dogs. Historically, if your dogs have been they

918
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: call them creakers anymore that you know Joe Hudder, Joe,

919
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Joe, Joe Walker, and he's dead. They said, well,

920
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: this is like a creaker here and you can tell.

921
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: And so for your you're not saying that the only

922
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: good plots are black. That's not what I'm saying. So

923
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: you're saying from your strain of dogs over since the

924
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: years of evaluation, the best dogs were black. So why

925
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: would you And you're saying, but dark, dark, brown, I'm sorry,

926
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: brown or black. You're right, So why would you breed

927
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: to dog that wasn't that and expect to get But

928
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, okay, but once again, if you have

929
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: a lighter brittle dog, uh, then breed to a real

930
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: dark brintle dog and then keep the darker pops. You know,

931
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: just brought the bat. When Colt went out there and

932
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: sorted to see that litter that day, he sorted too

933
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: light brintle males out and the three three female uh

934
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: I think there was yeah, three or four, there was

935
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: three females, and he sorted those pups out and only

936
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: he left was five black, four black brittle pups, okay,

937
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: And he looked through them and look through them, and

938
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: pretty soon he picked up this one. He looked at

939
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: me and I didn't I didn't bat my eyes, and

940
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: he laid it back down. He picked up the next

941
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: one over. He said, this one right here, and I

942
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: said that too. That's that's the he said, I'm gonna

943
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: call him buster. I said, that's fine, you just call

944
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: him whatever you want to call him. Uh, well, that's uh.

945
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: I think those five things and we could those that's

946
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: what I'm here. And you say, which is is well, super,

947
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: Start with the best you can find, Maintain the best

948
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: you can find. Never be fooled, never ever, ever be

949
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: fooled about a dog. If if if you're a dog,

950
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: you think he's the greatest thing in the world, and

951
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: you hunt with something that's way way better than you're

952
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: probably don't have the best dog in the world, you know,

953
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: so so you know yeah, And it's it's it's it's

954
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: it's simpler. It's simpler than it seems. But most people,

955
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: almost everybody, wants to change everything they get. They want

956
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: to dog people want to change the colors, change the

957
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: size chains the mouth, change this, and those old those

958
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: old people had perfected. Don't change anything, don't change anything

959
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. I heard you say that one time,

960
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: and that you said, don't try to change your dog. Yeah,

961
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: don't go get the dog. You can't. Yeah, you can't

962
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: change your line of dogs. You just you know, if

963
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: you get them like And once again, there's been some

964
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: major strains that have been crossed together that both of

965
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: them were really good lines. But very few times does

966
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: it improve over either one of the strains. And in

967
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: other words, I like a little different dogs. Somebody about

968
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: else might have dogs that do just like mine, but

969
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: maybe they're dogs would be really gritty, and maybe they're

970
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time at the bed places, and

971
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: and I that's just a that's a day out of hunting.

972
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: And that's you know, you're that's that's that's just not good. Now.

973
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: The dude pup that I raised, very intelligent pup out

974
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: of Butch and Stella, and he's in he's in a

975
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: ventanry hospital in Idaho, right, and he got caught by

976
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: a bead bear. But we don't it's really steep up there.

977
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm wondered he wouldn't in a canyon. I'll find out.

978
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: And he couldn't get away because he normally you know,

979
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: nips and nips and nips and bis and bass bass

980
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: for our star. But he hadn't been caught that bad,

981
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: but he got caught bad. So yeah, Colton thoughts on breeding.

982
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Final thoughts here before we close down. When you get

983
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: when you get Steve heard talking about reading better. That's

984
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: many words. I think one thing that was left out

985
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: to it you had asked it before. When you're looking

986
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: at the litter of pups too, I think that you

987
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: you also look for extreme brain for a dog when

988
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: you have a literal pups and out there, you know,

989
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: you have some trying to you know, eat butterflies, and

990
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, kind of smelling the other dogs, you know,

991
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: running around, but you kind of just have something that

992
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: just kind of sit back and and have that look

993
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: of out him, you know. And then when you you

994
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: have all have them all together and stuff, and you know,

995
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: there's just certain things that you look for, like that

996
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: that show, that show that showed showed the intelligence of

997
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: a Dogsbuster, when I looked at Buster's litter, Buster didn't

998
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: you didn't. He didn't see him doing anything goofy, but

999
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: he just looked straight at you just like he was.

1000
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: You know, he was ready for hunting when you turn

1001
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: him loose, when you when you turn him loose, and

1002
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to turn him into a bear tree.

1003
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: You didn't. He wasn't sniffing dogs, he wasn't barking at

1004
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: random stuff, he wasn't sitting. He was focused, extremely focused

1005
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: on on on bear and that's what sets him apart.

1006
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: So I think I think brains has an extreme, extremely

1007
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: big impact on on when you're when you're picking out

1008
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: the right dog out of a litter. So yeah, yeah,

1009
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: that's good, really good. Well closing thoughts, Steve Well, thank

1010
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: you for having us. I enjoyed talking and and I

1011
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: once again young people or even old people, people that

1012
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: that are in the need for something really special should

1013
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: know that there's still places out there to get it.

1014
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about that bluff Greek you know,

1015
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: protection candidate. I'm talking about there are there are still

1016
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: people out there that are raising really good dogs. And

1017
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: and don't just because you can get something for fifty

1018
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: dollars don't mean you should go get it for figet dollars.

1019
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: And to try to find if you really want something good,

1020
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: expect you know, expect to go to go meet somebody

1021
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: and then ask a lot of questions. But but you know,

1022
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: there's still people out there produced really good dogs, and

1023
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: everybody deserves a really good dog. If if if you

1024
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: deserve a good dog, then then you know, if go

1025
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: find it. And and uh, it's like like when you

1026
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: got firm. Okay, you know you guys deserve your you

1027
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: and your family. I thought you deserved a really good dog,

1028
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: So I sent you a really good dog. And she

1029
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: turned out to be that way. That's just the way

1030
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: she turned out to me. That's what she was supposed

1031
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: to do, you know. And then and then Todd Boswell

1032
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: up there. He showed me some pictures on the flock

1033
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: news side and there was a lot of off color

1034
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: dogs and I made a little comment. I said, uh,

1035
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: where's the brintle in this picture? And he was not

1036
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: very happy with that, and he said, well, I'll be

1037
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: honest with you, I can't find one that I like. Okay.

1038
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: So I sat there out though. That's not right, So

1039
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I said, I called him, said, Todd, I got a pop.

1040
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I said, it's out of Nelly and Reno, and I'm

1041
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna send you this pup. Well, how much. I said,

1042
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm giving it to your kids. Well, I don't know,

1043
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: I guess so, and I sent it up there and

1044
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: he still calls me. He still says, Mr Herd, I

1045
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: am so indebted to you. I am so indebted because

1046
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: I my kids and me finally got to see what

1047
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: everybody else was talking about. And he said, I can't

1048
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: go into stories because I got a lot of friends.

1049
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what all I've seen. But he said,

1050
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: it's incredible. So that's Stella's litter. Okay, God, I wish

1051
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: I had them back mercy. Anyway, I don't wanna get tarried.

1052
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: I want to get teared up here. So anyway, yeah, great, Well, yeah,

1053
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: thanks again guys for it. Thank you, thank you for

1054
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: driving all the way out here. And this has been

1055
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: it has been super fun. And uh yeah, I just

1056
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: want to reiterate too, I said at the beginning, I

1057
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Speaker 1: said it again. I've seen a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the hound world. They're afraid to just say what they

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Speaker 1: think because they're afraid it will come across as arrogant

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Speaker 1: or like they know it all. Man, it does no

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Speaker 1: good to to well, if you're trying to have a conversation,

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Speaker 1: for somebody to hold back, and you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: not afraid that they're not saying, and there's no I

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Speaker 1: can't lie to you, So there's no reason for me

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Speaker 1: to tell you something I don't believe. And the truth

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Speaker 1: is everything I told to you, I do believe. And

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Speaker 1: it has got me through so many generations. And I

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Speaker 1: hope for at least two truthtre more I've got, I've

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Speaker 1: got across, I've got a special cross coming, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, I just I hope it works. I think

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Speaker 1: it was. We're gonna use the last semen of the Butch,

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Speaker 1: the less strow the Butch seemen, and we've got a

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Speaker 1: female out of Stella. I don't have her, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get her back. And I think we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: another one the supercrosses well. And and here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I want to say too, is that I could

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Speaker 1: have another. You know, there there are other there are

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Speaker 1: other guys that have had long standing strains and dogs

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Speaker 1: that have had success, tremendous success, and they did it

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Speaker 1: their own way, and then they might be setting here

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Speaker 1: and say something slightly different. They may hear this and say, Nope,

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Speaker 1: that didn't work for me. What he said, And so

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Speaker 1: people have the right to hear this information and evaluate it.

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Speaker 1: Take take what works for them. What you're saying, it's

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Speaker 1: worked for you. That's what it worked for me, worked

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Speaker 1: for you. And I'm just telling you I'm late. That's

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Speaker 1: how I laid it out. And I studied one dog

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Speaker 1: and one pedigree, and I'm still here from my cheane

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Speaker 1: seveno until now from from land there on the floor,

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Speaker 1: Brandon was you were born seventy Okay. He was just

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Speaker 1: a little cheeny baby when I did all this, and

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Speaker 1: uh and it's still after all these years from that

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Speaker 1: one old dog taught me that much. So keep your

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Speaker 1: keep your mind open and learn learned what you can it.

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Speaker 1: It worked for me, So it worked. We might name

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Speaker 1: this podcast it worked for me. I like that. I

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Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Yeah. Well, okay, as we

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Speaker 1: always say at the end of the podcast, keep the

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Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears live exactly.

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Speaker 1: And then if it's legal, run hounds. You can turn

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Speaker 1: your plots after him. Okay, good to you.